I'm just copy pasting another post I did here about our experiences with the PE1 (photonic energetics). I don't want to say it is better or worse, if I had the money I would have tried the Bionic first, but the PE1 is looking good enough for me for the moment.
I'm in contact with practioners who use the Bionic and soon we will probably have the chance to use it and compare it with the PE1.
I'm having so many surprising experiences with my PE1 that I start to wonder if I do need anything else... My daughter stopped testing for all herbs just the minute after we finished using the PE1 with her own autonosodes. She's still not testing for anything else.
she was fighting a lyme relapse plus most coinfections, babesia, bartonella, mycoplasma (at least two strains), ehrlichia, rickettsia... salmonella also testing, strep...
The PE1 is not the Bionic, but I wonder if it is not working like it when NOT in Nogier (pulsed frequencies), but in direct mode.
It is built with super LEDs (more recent technology than the Bionic), it is extremely powerful, I need to shade 50% of the 'screen' to get a treatment like suggested by dr. W. with anyone, and I only use lower potency, about 30%-50%. It has not only the 880nm wavelength but other wavelenghts too, combined (660nm for example).
I feel like a salesperson, but I start to wonder about all these years fighting lyme with soooo many things... And it looks like fake when I think about it, but I start to believe this is revolutionary. One has to believe in homeopathy though and in infrared helping cells to communicate.
My daughter was on DOUBLE daily sessions of the KMT 24 plus LOADS of things (complete Buhner protocol, Sanum, Heel, loads of cleansers, manual lymph drainage, Nogier frequencies on certain parts etc etc). The normal type of multi approach treatment when one has lyme and coinfections so active ...
She was using the KMT twice a day locally with different programs (2 and 5 were testing) on GI, neck and knee. Day and night.
Like magic, the moment I used the infrared with autonosodes, the KMT stopped testing and so ALL Buhner herbs, ALL other killers. Absolutely everything that could cause any immune boosting either.
She's not taking ANYTHING since yesterday then, so it's her first 24 hours without any killer. Just a bit more than a week ago, she spent a whole day in hospital with a swolen knee and unbearable pain, GI symptoms, neck pain...
Let's see how it will go from now on, but if this continues like now, it is amazing. I did her autonosodes with the liquid from her knee and potencialized it D2, D4, D6, D8, D10, D15, D20, D30. So far, she tested until the D30. I guess I'll need to do a D60 soon.
The KMT is in the box for the moment.
I just got the borrelia nosodes from Stauphen Pharma but they still don't test. Her knee liquid has all her pathogens, so I wonder if this is not the reason...
Anyway, I'm still trying to believe on it, I'm still afraid she'll have a relapse as none of my wonderful herbs test. I'm so used with herbs and ingested homeopathics, but this is something totally new.
We have been out to visit an open air museum (and it was cold), for almost 3 hours, without any treatment. She is testing for herbs that clean and for homeopathics that clean, but for nothing else.
I did only about 2 seconds in each accupuncture point, she tested though in many more locations than the ones suggested by dr. W. If someone is interested, I can tell you.
I get very strong negative answers to apply continuous-direct-light (non pulsed) in all parts of the body. It is harmful, that's what the muscle tests say. Without nosodes, not a single time I had direct-continous infra red testing in any part of the body whatsoever from everyone I keep testing. So I feel this is really not something to be playing around. Never apply non pulsed light without a nosode, that's what I 'see' for the moment.
And to see that it tests, with only 30% of potency, 50% of the LEDS being shaded behind a double thick paper I stick to my PE1, and the accupuncture points test only for 2 seconds each, well, this looks like very powerful.
I'm still new in all this, I was afraid she was going to collapse with a big herx, but we had a good day today. She's been walking for hours in the cold winter out and is still fine now, by her bedtime.
She is testing for more cleansers than before the light treatment, 70% homeopathic cleansers, the rest, chlorella, bear garlic and the like.
She's sitting on her knee, she can bend it 100% now and is off every single killer. I still can't believe it. Let's see how it will go on further.
when I ask her body, her body says that the autonosode is boosted about 7 times more than if ingested, when used with 30% potency. I haven't tried stronger as I don't always think stronger is better. Today, no treatment with light. It seems that the next treatment will be in 2 more days. I'll let you guys know.
Selma
Posted by maureen2174 (Member # 11471) on :
Selma,
I also have the PE1.
I have only been using it on pulsed mode, without nosodes- 5 minutes at the 10 treatment locations and then usually another 30 minutes for my sciatic pain. I use it at 7, pulsed frequency j, so it runs through them all.
so you recommend not using it on the pulsed mode?
I have the borellia nosodes from deseret and the nosodes from ergo, but need to get clear vials to transfer them. How do you treat with your own nosodes?
Do you think it is necessary to treat with nosodes? Do you believe that if not, it just stirs things up?
The thing that happens for me is that after treatment, I feel more tired, thirsty, maybe a little achey. It isnt too bad though and passes rather quickly.
I do treatments 2x a week. I also rife once every 2-3 weeks now. The biotensor shows that I am not testing positive for lyme, bart, or babesia. I am using it to keep these this away. I cant test for other stuff, other than just asking it as i dont have other vials.
any suggestions, help, info. would be appreciated here.
thanks
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Selma, fascinating please keep posting about it (on this new thread so we can follow).
Maureen--do you feel better since using it?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I wrote a long answer, but I don't see it here...
Maureen, do you test positive on these accupuncture points? I never got a positive answer to use pulsed light in accupuncture points (the ones suggested by dr. W.). I only get positive answer to use direct light WITH nosodes on the accupoints, and only for extremely short time in low potency, and shading the screen to 50% as I wrote above.
I'm still new with the machine though and I only tested in about 8 people so far. Who knows your problem is different from these people? I need more time with it, more tests, more people to know. I'll keep asking about Nogier ON the accupoints though, who knows I'll get someone that tests for that?
Nogier frequencies are not as dangerous, I feel. They keep testing to help a multitude of things for everyone I test. My skin infection is under control basically with Nogier, I believe. So are my joint infections (on fingers and toes). Yesterday, for the first time, I used an autonosode from myself too, from blood coming from one of the infected finger joints.
It's a bit old blood that I kept in the refrigerator when my skin was still open due to infection. I mixed with electrolytes and left there for a while. I used it first time yesterday per dr. W's protocol (I just tested for some different accupuncture locations though, in larger number than the ones suggested by Dr. W.). Blood without dilution didn't test, but I tested for a D5 and D10 nosode.
My daughter used her knee liquid as autonosode. You gotta learn how to potencialize it to make D dilutions, it's easy. Google it. Using always clear vials. I needed about 30-40 minutes to do both autonosodes.
Since I started on the PE1, my skin is better, and I never got the bad bleeding again, but I used the autonosode anyway, in potency D5 and D10 together because it probably contains the pathogen causing my joint infections (mycobacterium bovis or something alike).
So far, I never used the random Nogier mode. It never tested for anyone so far. I guess that's what you are using, right?
I find it much better to get the problem in your head, ask if the machine can help you for this problem, ask the program, the potency and the time and treat it short time using only one frequency per problem. Funny that you got the random positive in your biotensor, I never found anyone testing for that, nor for program A, for example...
The nosodes, well, it's our 4th or 5th treatment, I think (me and daughter). We used Sanum and autonosodes so far. It's a total different type of treatment than Nogier above.
I feel as though I bought two machines in one, if you see what I mean!
I have long term experience with ingested homeopathics. Different schools of homeopathy, different potencies, K, D, C, M potencies, liquids, pills, creams, single homeopathics, combination homeopathics, autonosodes etc. Homeopathy is not new to me and I can swim in it without fear.
What is new for me is using homeopathy WITH light. If only ingested, the autonosode of my daughter wouldn't make all Buhner herbs stopped testing, I'm PRETTY sure of it. I can almost put my hands on fire.
You can imagine we all ingested all borrelia nosodes in the past too (different potencies, different dilutions) and they never stopped borrelia in any of us, even though I find they were helpful sometimes.
Nogier can be used almost daily for certain problems. Some other problems test on and off for Nogier, or once then nevermore for other type of problems, or once every day for a short time (I think the longest we get for a treatment with Nogier is about 2 minutes in a single spot, never more).
My daughter's knee tested for a deeper treatment (like for arthritis) AND for a lymph drainage treatment with different Nogier frequencies, but this was the only example so far for me where I used two Nogier frequencies in one problematic spot.
Usually, the rule is "one frequency treats one problem". At least in a day.
In another day, it could test for another frequency (but I'm not too sure as I'm not taking notes of everything...).
Nogier seems to be absolutely NOT efficient for arthrosis, but to be wonderful for arthritis, skin problems, muscle problems, nerves... It seems to help organs like GI tract, liver, pancreas, kidney, even the eye 'nerve'... Somehow, inflamation responds well to Nogier, I find. And some areas of high toxic load. And pathogens don't seem to enjoy Nogier, according to muscle tests.
But direct mode (continuous), this is something different. I wouldn't play with it without nosodes and carefully plan about the time, intensity etc. I feel pathogens love this direct infrared as we love it.
I know what you tell about feeling achey, same here. I believe, some sort of detox or killing effect. Nogier tests as killer for me many many times (if this is true, only time will tell).
Direct mode never tests as killing something.
If you use the nosodes for the pathogens you Rife, you'll probably stop testing for the Rife frequencies like we did with the KMT. We stopped ALL KILLERS.
I'm not kidding, both me and daughter are on zero killers, even homeopathic ones. We are on other things (chlorella, bear garlic, a few Heel and a few Pekana products) but no nosodes, almost no Sanum products (except for cleansers). It is amazing that Buhner's herbs stopped testing from the moment I did the nosode treatment on my daughter.
I still wonder if my muscle tests are not playing a trick with me. I still can't believe that this light treatment could do that. I'm sooo used to treat with herbs AND homeopathics for years, such a thing NEVER happened so sudden (stopping all killers in a day). It's ALWAYS gradual and borrelia + bartonella killers usually take a looong time to test negative for good.
I don't think she's rid of all these infections, we are still only in the starting of the PE1 with nosodes. But it is promising, unless my brain is playing a trick on me.
I can tell you I AM afraid she'll collapse, but I am faithful to my muscle tests for years now, I can't just give her killers even though my brain is pushing me to do it. I am not giving anything to her, but I AM AFRAID as this is too new.
She didn't test for Nogier nor the KMT (microcurrent) today.
I also feel thirsty sometimes (when doing too long usually), I can also feel tired (but short term), I feel my sleeping hours are diminishing but I don't wake up tired like before (even sleeping less) but the best is that I feel hope for my skin and articulation infections...
I have just bought loads of nosodes, they cost me the price of the PE1 so far, and I'll play with them slowly from now on on myself mainly.
I also started testing energetically for the AI treatment Gigi keeps talking. Let's see where we go from here on.
gotta go to bed, if you have more questions, you can also PM me. Selma
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks for the info, Selma. Glad it's working out.
The light definitely does something different than anything I've ever used... It feel like it brings everything onto some kind of quantum level rather than chemical.
You may want to check Deseret Biologicals for it's concept of allergies. You have to go to their website & download the catalog. It has lots of information! (I don't sell products or make money from recommendations.)
I think it's a different system than the one they do in Germany. It seems pretty effective in theory. I haven't tried it so I can't say for sure, though. The Deseret Biologicals method seems incredibly thorough!
People in the USA or other English speaking places may want to check into that if they don't speak German - in regards to allergy treatment from an energetic standpoint...
From what I've read, the Bionic 880 does use a pulsed frequency for nosode treatment. I don't recall offhand what it was. It's not one of the Nogier frequencies. It was something different. I don't know how they were able to find that particular frequency.
I can look it up - I have it somewhere in my notes.
My feeling about this modality is that everyone is probably different for treatments. It's good if you have some sort of way to test yourself, energetically. Either through BioTensor, pendulum, Applied Kinesiology, ART, Asyra or some of the other devices people have been using.
The infrared light really kicks everything up a notch...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Sparkle, I hope your moving was fine and that you're enjoying your new house.
I know the Desbio catalogue, I always said I fell in love with that catalogue the first day I saw it.
I've never used their products. If I ask them to come here, they'll be xrayed and I don't know how much of it will still be good after for use.
The AI looks very intesresting. I'll continue with critter killing for a while but will do the AI at some point.
Yes, I would be interested in the frequency of the Bionic. But I know I can compare the machines if I come to use both. the borrelia nosodes are on waiting list to be used with my PE1, for both me and daughter.
For the moment, our own autonosodes are testing better, so that is what we are using.
Are you also using Nogier with nosodes, Sparkle?
I'll keep testing to see if my muscle tests say yes for that, but so far, I got only negative.
Posted by maureen2174 (Member # 11471) on :
Thanks a lot for your response!
Actually I am probably not doing this right at all.... I haven't been testing on the biotensor as to what frequencies and whether or not to use it on one frequency or pulsing.
How do you test this with the biotensor? You just ask it before doing a treatment?
The reason I was using it on pulsed mode scanning all the frequencies (keeping it on J) is that I figured it would hit all of them. I figured it was the best way, not knowing which frequency would be the best for me.
So, you are finding in testing people that continuous mode is better- one frequency per session?
I also have not tested points or anything like that. Just been using the ten points that are used with the bionic.
Selma- how old is your daughter that you are treating with the PE1?
thanks!
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
Selma please keep writing about your findings.You really amaze me !
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Yes, the Bionic uses frequencies. Mainly we use 11.77 for Lyme and 28 for other infections.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Do you have a link for PE1? I get all kinds of physical education stuff when I Google it.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
I'm smiling pretty big. My heart feels lighter to know your daughter is doing so much better.
I'm also getting more confidence that I could handle the PE-1. Lightworks, at less intensity, has been a challenge at times to use well and not overwhelm my system. Thank you for your postings.
Posted by brite7 (Member # 16245) on :
Thanks for sharing so much. I'm so happy it's helping you and your daughter, Brussels. I found a link, SixGoofyKids to the PE1 is this where you bought it Brussels and Maureen? http://www.photonicenergetics.com/ Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Thank you brite. Looks interesting.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
I'm happy for you and especially for your daughter's recovery of her knee issue. That is totally awesome!
We now have our first experiences with the PE1, thx to Selma and Maureen. It will be interesting to learn how this unfolds. Especially since we could be treating both lyme and mycoplasmas.
As far as myco, the only solution is to potentiate your own fluids IMO into a nosode as Selma described. It is a stealth organism, so you almost have to get it in the state its in at the time.
I'm curious about potentiating saliva as part of building a nosode?
So Bravo Selma!!!
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Selma one more thought on cleansers -- you might want to test her for MSM. She won't test strong for the bear garlic and chlorella for very long. The MSM is for rebuilding the body along with whey. Just keep them in mind when you test.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Hi everyone, thanks for your answers. We'll be doing a session of PE1 + autonosodes again today for my daughter, this time I'll include the D60. It takes me quite some time to potencialize this stuff to D60, I guess I have to buy a machine...
I think my borrelia is waking up with all this light treatment. I'm testing for ALL of the Stauphen Pharma nosodes, and yesterday I tested for both cats claw and Noni tincture. Well, I guess it's time to try the protocol...
I don't know if it's advisable to do it parallel to my own blood treatment, I'll keep asking my muscle tests to see.
I'll write again a bit later. SElma
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Congratulations again, and keep us posted. Good luck on your own light treatment. My experience say go slow, not too many nosodes at once, but you are so good at knowing what is right for you!
Here are links to two potentising machines. One in US and one in UK. There seem to be several copiers and remedy makers, but few that potentise. Anyone know of others?
I don't sell anything but these supplements have really helped me...
InnoVita - TOX-EX & BACTO-EX
Plus some others that I needed.
They may be helpful to get rid of any toxins from killing or neutralizing any harmful bacteria, viruses, etc. They use a pretty revolutionary concept of supplementation. Check the website for more info...
They have a bunch of other products, as well, that may be helpful.
Good to hear that the PE1 is working. It seems superior to the LightWorks & a good deal for the price.
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
Selma,
Do you have a website for the Stauphen pharmacy in Germany by chance? What city is it in?
Posted by steelbone (Member # 14014) on :
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Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
HI everyone, we did a third photon treatment with my daughter yesterday morning. She's more tired today.
She used: all her autonosodes from knee liquid on potencies D2, D4, D6, D8, D10, D30, D60 plus borrelia nosodes from Stauphen Pharma D200. Yesterday she kept herxing a bit, but controlable. She was a bit more tired today. But still with controlable herxes.
We've been out for about 6 hours visiting museums, in a restaurant, and she was okay. She's testing for more liver supplements though, so I know something is going on. But nothing desperate like I had before (cleansers every two hours). She can handle her day well taking cleansers about 4 times.
She's still not testing for ANY killer whatsoever, nor immune boosters. She ONLY tests for cleansers.
She's on 5 homeopathic substances tested for her with ART for each organ support (liver, intestines, stomach, lymph, kidney), chlorella, bear garlic, rechtsregulat, the wonderful mix of Ubichinon + citrokehl + coenzyme compositum (Heel), Hechochur (liver detox), Chinese herbs for the liver, arthricic cleansers that she used and uses on and off when they test (Cruroheel, Mudipur, Formasan), sometimes milk thistle, cardamon, crushed flaxseed with quark, Mapurit (vit E and magnesium). I guess that's all I can remember.
We still do Nogier frequencies on her once a day for her tummy only (for about 30 seconds). Her knee is perfect now, she's not even testing there for any treatment (not even Nogier).The KMT is still in the box. All Buhner's herbs are still on our table, but they still don't test. It's amazing.
She's not testing for any tick born coinfections for the moment (slides). I know they are there though, because of her herxes.
---- Maureen, I just test with the machine on, but not with light on. I put it on my knee. I ask then problem by problem, if the light can help with each specific problem. If I get a yes, I go on, which program? A, B, ... until I find it. Then I ask, which potency, 1, 2, ... until I find it.
The more you use the machine, the best your body will be able to answer you.
If you'd like to get better responses, you can do the following (I don't do like this, but I guess it would work): get 10 clear vials, add electrolytes inside, put a vial on the screen of the PE1 and let the program A run for about 1 minute or so, at 50% potency. Do it again with each of the programs and write which on each vial.
I don't know if the light frequency would be imprinted there in water, but you could give this a try. I did this with my KMT for eletromagnetic frequencies then I just had to test the vials to discover which program I needed. I don't know if it will work with infra red, but it works with microcurrent.
After a while I didn't need the vials anymore, I just tested the machine as my body knows all programs. That's what I do with the PE1.
Do you feel okay when you run all frequencies? If not, why not doing like this?...
I feel more comfortable with muscle testing though, and it's faster. So I can treat many people in a couple of minutes too, and many problems.
My daughter just turned 5 now.
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Sixgolfkids, thanks! So the Bionic frequencies are not Nogier, in between our programs A-B (borrelia) and B-C (for coinfections). I keep asking and neither me nor my daughter's body want to get the Nogier with nosodes... At least, not now.
So it means, you can see the pulsed light as the frequencies are low, right?
-- Brite, yes, that's the site.
--- Bob, I wonder about the saliva too. As I had the great chance to get the liquid from daughter's knee, I went for it directly, but I also wonder if saliva won't help too... If you do the test, please post about it here!!
Staphen pharma borrelia nosodes don't test if I put daughter's autonosodes side by side. The only Stauphen nosode that tests is D200, because I still didn't do her autonosodes to a D200 dilution ( sooo much work to potencialize it to D200 by hand)...
I'm absolutely amazed to see that even cats claw is not testing, nor noni, nothing. I am still not believing this all, I guess I'll only rest when I see nothing else tests (borrelia nosodes, autonosodes, Buhner's herbs, antibiotics...). So far, we're still in treatment.
MSM is not testing, thanks for suggesting. I guess the magic mix I say of Ubichinon + citrokehl + coenyzme compositum is doing wonders for rebuilding a lot of things at the cellular level. If you have the chance to get this mix (NOT INDIVIDUALLY), you'll see what I mean.
This mix is almost magic, I'm also using it daily a couple of times a day. It helps the mitochondria, cell metabolism, energy and light in the cells. You can use it to boost killing and to boost cleansing. Do a google search on Ubichinon and Citrokehl, then on Coenzyme compositum.
-- Bejoy, thanks. The machines look good, do you know any of them particularly?
-- My borrelia is awaken. I am taking cats claw again, rizols are testing... I still can't use the borrelia nosodes as I am treating myself with autonosodes too (blood from infected finger articulations). The time I took the blood, my borrelia was asleep.
What I find tricky with light is that when I treat my daughter, I receive some of the light myself. I wonder if dr. W. treats patients too or if they just do the treatment by themselves.
I wonder if the treatment of my daughter with her own borrelia autonosodes hasn't made my borrelia to wake up too. I'm not symptomatic yet though.
I do feel 'strange' when I treat other people with or without nosodes. The Nogier frequencies are very strong to me, even if I just receive some of the light through my semiclosed eyes while I treat them.
I start to feel that I can only do that short time in a day, that it might be dangerous to do the nosode treatment with other people (as I get treated partially too), that the light applied in the evening is not as good as in the morning...
It is getting clear that it can boost energy as most people behave like they got an injection of cafeine (I see a few having their sleeping eyes being turned into owl's eyes about half and hour or an hour later after Nogier)... Sometimes some get relaxed, others even tired, but I have the impression this is only temporarily.
I also have the impression that nosode treatment works different for each pathogen, and perhaps for different types of infection (acute infection responds less well than chronic infection??)... It's still early to say though, I need more input from other people...
One thing that is definitively different from what I expected is that the PE1 is in no way a substitute for accupuncture treatment. This type of machine can't be used as a substitute for accupuncture.
At the same time, I am amazed to see some people I know for years (From the family) that are ALWAYS blocked (meaning, their regulation is always blocked), when treated with Nogier only, they get their regulation open for days after.
This is an eye opener for me. I have to test more of these 'blocked people' to have this confirmed though. But somehow, as I suspected, this infrared light boosts homeopathics (only some homeopathics though, not all) because it helps on cell communication opening blockages in an amazing way. I start to feel this is THE reason why the nosodes become so much efficient when used with light.
The nosodes when used with clear glass vials absolutely don't need to be ingested after photon treatment. If I test them before treatment, the body asks for ingestion. After, no.
Once I had to ingest one nosode after, but I suspect because I still didn't use a good glass vial (I used a small bottle from spice that I had at home than the thin glass vials proper for it). since I got my clear vials, we still didn't ingest the nosodes.
Gotta go, I'll let you know as we keep testing...
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Selma,
The people I know who use copier potentisers have the Metabolics Casio. It seems they don't make that anymore, just a copier. The two I sent links for both seem good.
I had some friends check them out too, and they agree, although we all are baffled about why and how they work.
It is hard to put faith in something that doesn't make sense, but when we test the resulting products from Casio, they test very well. I have used Casio copies of nosodes and made autonosodes to use in vials with Lightworks with good results.
I am still trying to decide which of the machines to get. One is simpler and cheaper, the other more expensive and does more. Both equally as good I think. I am leaning toward the one that does more. It will make nosode type energy signature vials by programming in certain codes.
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Six, Nana, or other Bionic users:
I also have the question about if Dr. W. treats his patients with Bionic, or if you do it alone by yourself in the office. I have concerns about who is treating whom for what, when I help others with this machine.
I'll deal with my own mistakes as they affect myself. My fear is that if I use lightworks on someone else I may be treating them with energies I am carrying from my current treatment with nosodes.
When I first used the DesBio series for Borrelia, my daughter got an EM rash when she had never had one before. I am clear that at least she reacts to energies I treat myself with, even if she doesn't ingest them.
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I have been able to hold my own with treating others with light and vials EXCEPT when treating someone else for something I am allergic to.
I have worked up a protocol for clearing allergies with lightworks. I got hammered from treating someone for mold and fungus that I am highly allergic to and still untreated for.
My friend cleared the allergies just fine, but I'm still recovering from the exposure without treating myself with the full protocol.
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General note on multiple nosode treatments:
I had a small container of nosodes lined up to be used in the future, one at a time. Included was Nerve Z from DesBio, I intended to use for HSV cold sores, as it tested well.
Directly after a recent lightworks session I was cleaning up my materials, and I picked up and held that vial. (I'm not sure what else I may have touched.)
My constant chronic cold sores disappeared the next day, and I have not had one since (about two and a half weeks.)
I always get bad sores when reducing my Cortef. Doctor made me go off all hormones entirely for a full day for testing, and I still didn't get one.
Good outcome, but message is, be aware of what you are treating. Too many nosodes at once, and the immune system brut squad gets too busy.
After that I tanked with a systemic infection (non-lyme) I imagine because the immune system was preoccupied with too many other messages.
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I'll take responsibility for my own mistakes as they affect me, while I experiment with this, but I don't want to hurt somebody else unintentionally.
Let's be careful about accidentally treating others for things we are not aware of.
Still breaks my heart - I took lyme nosodes myself orally then treated my father with lightworks, right after I got the machine. He laughed and called it pseudo-science.
He had heavy lyme symptoms but wasn't interested in knowing much about it. He crashed his plane the next day, presumable from low blood pressure doing high G's. Just makes you think. Be careful, my friends.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Dr. W has a chart he gives you showing you where to hold the light. He comes in and checks (or a nurse does) to be sure you're doing it correctly. They set up the machine, but you use it on yourself.
The light in the Bionic is not part of the visible spectrum, so you cannot see it.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Six, thanks. Most of the light in the PE1 is on the invisible spectrum, but about 20% are on the visible, so I see it flashing with lower frequencies when on Nogier.
It seems not anyone is allowed to be in presence of infrared and I start to see why.
I woke up tired today, certainly something going on. Went for my shower and found out an EM rash on my thigh. It tests borrelia.
I am still testing for ALL borrelia nosodes of Stauphen Pharma, started testing for Buhner's herbs andrographis included, have been herxing with all killers I'm taking now (cats claw, andro, rubbing bee venon on rash, gervao, rizols mix, etc etc)... So testing for the full borrelia killing herbs.
I can think of two possibilities: that my borrelia was awaken with the stress I had last Sunday with my daughter in hospital due to lyme arthritis (that I thought it was mechanical, so I thought I could do nothing to ease her pain), but in the end I discovered that kids can get swollen knees in a matter of hours due to lyme... The knee punction was an awful experience and I got very stressed, which could be a reason for my borrelia awakening.
Or, as I think it's more probable, my borrelia woke up with the treatments with nosodes I'm doing with my 5 year old daughter, using her own knee liquid with borrelia and most coinfections... I feel treated, as I get 'high' after doing light treatments with people, both with Nogier frequencies or with nosodes (non pulsed).
I'm not too worried for my lyme being awaken, as it's not the first time for me to fight a borrelia revival, but it makes me think about light treatment...
Can anyone list the frequencies of the Bionic?
Anyway, they don't seem to match the Nogier frequencies. Somehow, the Nogier frequencies work well to solve some problems and carry information in themselves. I mean, that's what Nogier discovered. So if one is using Nogier WITH nosodes, you'll be doing 2 treatments instead of one simultaneously...
I wonder what would be the type of information one's body is taking then in such type of double treatment, a double information from nosodes AND what the specific Nogier is affecting...
That's maybe one reason my body and my daughter's body don't test for using Nogier with nosodes. Or it may be my brain blocking the use of Nogier + nosodes... (?)
Nogier frequencies work pretty well by themselves, when muscle tested. Each frequency and intensity seems to do a good work, for example, on reducing inflamation, muscle pain, arthritic pains, or even in my case, on my skin infection (I never got my feet skin so good since starting it few weeks ago). Only Nogier alone is doing the job there, without nosodes whatsoever.
So in my case, I'm getting convinced that Nogier alone can work as killer for certain pathogens. Or it works so well cleansing or balancing cells that it does 'indirect' killing, if you see what I mean... My very chronic skin infection is on hold basically with Nogier alone.
The blocked people I'm testing are still open... This is mysterious. I only use Nogier on them, for very short time on problematic points like arthritis, muscle pains, tummy... Whole treatment never last more than 5 minutes in total, I think. I am not targetting any accupunncture point, nor any meridian, just merely problematic points in their bodies (with pain, usually). And these guys keep having their regulation open day after day!!! This is great news.
so somehow the light would help only with Nogier, even without nosodes, for overal health, I suppose.
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Bejoy, this is a terrible story you tell us. Light is not a thing to be playing around. I'm sooo sorry you had to learn it this way. Did you lose your father? I hope not, but an airplane crash looks too bad in itself.
thanks for the info on the machines... I hope the storm will calm down then I can think of what to do next... If you decide on one machine, let us all know! I'd like to have something that does a real homeopathic succusion up to 200... ---
Tomorrow I'm going for my own borrelia treatment with nosodes. I'm on many borrelia herbs today, and herxing mildly. Nothing out of control, but the EM rash is a clear sign my borrelia wants to take hold of my body, as it happened before. The rash looks though like bart rash, even though it tests as borrelia...
My daughter is testing today for the D15, D100 and D200 from Stauphen, plus her own autonosodes.
Let's see how it will go next.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Selma there was a thread a while ago. Where it stated Dr. W. used 9.88hz to 11.77hz. I think both sixgoofykids and Paul used the 11.77hz range when they went.
You might consider treating yourself with the PE-1.
BTW -- I'm considering getting one. If I have one maybe I can influence the support group I'm with to band together to use it.
Question: have use the full power of the pe-1 yet? Or are using have power for a short period of time?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Keep up the good work with the posts, Selma. I don't have access to the same homeopathics but it's interesting to know about the different products you have in the EU.
Sometimes it gets overwhelming to consider all of the products available in combination with the infrared techniques & on their own. The possibilities seem endless...
I'm going through a detox with the InnoVita supplements. They are quite strong. I haven't started the Desbio mycoplasma set, yet. I want to do it with the LightWorks but the clear vials haven't arrived. Maybe tomorrow?
Bejoy - I wouldn't blame yourself for anything. I believe it was out of your hands...
I think I've read that some practitioners may use lasers for acupuncture. I'm not sure what wavelength or frequencies they may use. I'm sure there's info about it if you google it.
Some people do a Nogier acupuncture technique on the ear that he invented called auriculotherapy. I think I've read it can be done with lasers, too (or even LED pointers). I always thought that the Chinese invented ear acupuncture but it was actually Nogier who discovered it.
Auricular acupuncture was developed as a formal sotamotopic system through the discoveries of Dr. Paul Nogier of France (1,2,3).
With the initial recognition in 1951 that the "sciatic point," in fact, correlated with the fourth lumbar vertebra rather than sciatica as an ailment,
Dr. Nogier discovered the primary correspondence of the body on the auricle in an "inverted fetus" presentation (4,5,6).
This observation led to the eventual identification of the body's anatomic or structural correspondence with zones in the auricle.
The Chinese learned of Dr. Nogier's work through a German medical acupuncture article that arrived in China, via Japan.
The Chinese followed with thousands of clinical observations, and developed auricular mappings which were similar to the early French system, though with some differences noted.
This correspondence system was easy to teach "barefoot doctor" acupuncture technicians to readily assimilate into their paramedical practices.
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Lasers can be directed to hit a specific point where as the LEDs are diffuse & shine over a larger area.
It would be interesting to find out why the Bionic 880 uses the frequencies that it does. I have never been able to find out how they arrived at the settings they use.
Posted by maureen2174 (Member # 11471) on :
I would like to know if you MUST use nosodes with light treatment. What if you are not treating for anything specific, but just for good health?
For instance, I have some ear symptoms (sinus related) and sciatic pain. Can't I just run the light through either the pulsed mode or continuous for pain or something?
If I am not specifically treating for lyme anymore, would I still need nosodes?
If you use nosodes and your lyme is in remission, can it be reactivated? I am concerned about this because not only did I get lyme disease, but I also had the lymerix vaccine back in 1999/2000.
Am I the only one using the light treatment without nosodes?
thanks, maureen
Posted by lymeparfait (Member # 14268) on :
I have run the light without nosodes, and had
powerful herxes like I never had, or had
migratory pain after treatment. also, my
daughter had severe reactions. I have
discontinued use as it is very powerful and
decided to wait until I get the bionic treatment
and nosodes. If I was only using the lightworks
type devices, I wuld lonly use them with
nosodes. I think there is a strong possibility
that more harm than good will be done without
the nosodes. Especially cncerning the movement
of heavy metals, which I am just learning
about. Please move cautiously. Just my strong
intuition.
LP
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
When I got the Bionic, I had not had a Lyme symptom in years. But I was curious and I treated for five minutes on a pain frequency an old fracture of my foot, without any nosodes, and had a bull's eye on my arm, same side of body as the treatment, within 3 hours. The photons obviously took care of it as it disappeared within about 24 hours. I also started treatment with nosodes within a few hours, because I then also tested positive on the Biocom.
I think photons wake up anything that we carry, and it is important to be able to test what you have in the system. Metals are certainly being mobilized with any die-off which means you have to deal with these also. They are only being mobilized and not necessarily expelled, and are still mostly in the system.
The same with chemical toxins and certainly fungi and viruses. If you are allergic to any of the mobilized toxins, you need to know, so that you can deal with that because the body does not recognize them as toxins and they just seem to vagabond about the system. That is also the explanation of why so few heavy metal lab tests show up -- the body does not recognize them as a toxin and therefore does not release them readily.
In doing the AI test, both my husband and I were allergic to mercury and lead and several others and if you mobilize these with the light treatments, the body does not know how to deal with them, because it does not recognize them as toxins.
My husband tested positive (energetically) for Polio, most likely because of a polio vaccination he got some 70 years ago.
We tested positive for Distemper, probably came with the tickbite. We tested positive (energetically) for many other infections, and ended up treating all of them.
This proves to me again that it's never only Lyme and a few co-infections. Each insect bite can bring a myriad of surprises.
It is the total body load that makes us ill, not a single tick bite.
We started to test positive for FSME - a viral meningitis that is very dangerous. So we treated it.
I do not trust some homeopathics/nosodes nor the manufacturing of them. If you put them on your body, anything that is not in the body will not resonate and will not be picked up. But I certainly would not swallow any of them. Because then I would get everything that is contained in it ----- the ticks don't tell you what they picked up and we don't know which money's back this stuff came from.
Be aware.
Take care.
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
what is the best frequency (A-G) on the LW to use with Lyme nosodes??
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
He is using frequencies closest to the Universal frequencies of U = 1.14 and A = 2.28
I dont see info on U but see A is "associated with the animal kingdom, with non-organized, embryonic structures. It is teh frequency of teh primitive living being; it is in sympathy with the cell in the crude undifferentiated state. This frequency, the most archaic, can also be considered to be the most anarchic."
If D. W's frequencies are the lower numbers, not the higher ones we see on LW (A=292), he is not using the higher harmonic frequencies.
The Pe-1 and the LW have the higher harmonic for A (293). I dont see either have the U (universal) frequency.
Dr. W's pulses, right? So that would be similar to these Nogier frequencies, it seems... ??
quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: Yes, the Bionic uses frequencies. Mainly we use 11.77 for Lyme and 28 for other infections.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I goofed... 11.77 is not close to 1.14. It closer to C. and 28 between D and E.. That is if he is using the frequencies that are less harmonic than the ones on LW. I give up.:-)
quote:Originally posted by R62: He is using frequencies closest to the Universal frequencies of U = 1.14 and A = 2.28
I dont see info on U but see A is "associated with the animal kingdom, with non-organized, embryonic structures. It is teh frequency of teh primitive living being; it is in sympathy with the cell in the crude undifferentiated state. This frequency, the most archaic, can also be considered to be the most anarchic."
If D. W's frequencies are the lower numbers, not the higher ones we see on LW (A=292), he is not using the higher harmonic frequencies.
The Pe-1 and the LW have the higher harmonic for A (293). I dont see either have the U (universal) frequency.
Dr. W's pulses, right? So that would be similar to these Nogier frequencies, it seems... ??
[QUOTE]Originally posted by sixgoofykids: Yes, the Bionic uses frequencies. Mainly we use 11.77 for Lyme and 28 for other infections.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I did my first 10 nosode borrelia treatment today. This IS STRONG. Got a reaction (probably a herx) about 5-6 hours after. Fortunatelly, it was bearable, nothing like the dreadful heavy metal detox reaction I got in the beginning of my chelation story years ago.
A note, if any of you hadn't gone through a looong metal detox experience, DON'T do this photon treatment I'm doing!!!! Might be too dangerous to be done alone.
MAUREEN, I used so far MORE Nogier WITHOUT nosodes than the PE1 with nosodes. I guess I used less than 5 minutes in a month with nosodes while I used about an hour (in total, so far) with ONLY NOGIER frequencies.
So you are not alone.
Thanks Gigi for saying that her borrelia woke up WITHOUT nosodes. I'm not sure what made mine wake up, either stress, or photons (with or without nosodes), but the fact is that my borrelia got fully awaken after I bought the PE1.
In my tests, I get very strong NO for using the PE1 on direct mode (non pulsed). When I ask if pathogens like the direct mode, the answer is always yes.
Nogier is different. I only use the Nogier frequencies that test and only for short term and ONLY on the places that they test. I'm almost sure Nogier can help your sciatic, because it looks pretty good with inflamation as I said before. Just my impression so far (I'm still a new user).
It is MOSTLY Nogier that keeps my skin infection (it is NOT ONLY fungal, but bacterial too) under control WITHOUT nosodes. It's not only skin infection, but also infection in the articulations as they got swollen many many times.
I also did 1 autonosode treatment with my blood + the PE1 on direct mode, but only once in three weeks (that I remember). So, I don't think what's helping my skin are these autonosodes. I think it's Nogier without nosodes.
I'm not treating my 17 year old skin infection with any other nosodes since I started on PE1. Before the PE1, I was on daily nosodes from Sanum to keep it under control (ingested). After it, they almost didn't test anymore, but the Nogier treatment tests. That's what I do then, without Sanum nosodes.
My skin is going through profound changes, the whole feet has been peeling off and new skin (softer) is coming. The color of deep purple is changing slowly, so I'm hopeful. I still got red fingers though, but I don't need gloves to do everything as I needed before.
Even mucor racemosus can't really develop on skin with Nogier applied once a day. I use Nogier on my hands for about 1 minute (or even less?) and on my feet (the same). This is my daily treatment for skin. Nothing else. Nogier for me, tests as killer, I start to be convinced it is killing.
It may NOT be enough to eliminate pathogens, but I start to strongly believe it is helping to kill. But still the best thing Nogier has been doing, in my feeling, is cleansing or balancing. I'm using it mostly for this purpose. If it kills, it's a plus!
I got my big boxes of nosodes, and I just stopped testing myself as I test for certainly 1/3 of the vials, if not 50% of them. My daughter tests for much less, but still quite amazing numbers. I'm kind of discouraged. I thought I had about 10 pathogens to fight when I get rid of borrelia, but the numbers are MUCH higher.
No wonder I get one pathogen under control and another shows up.
I just want to stress here that the photons are strong. I used about 1 or 2 seconds, 40% potency on both daughter and myself, on most accupuncture points I cited before, direct (non pulsed) mode WITH nosodes.
So whole treatment lasts about a minute or so?. It's very fast. It almost takes longer to move the machine from an accupuncture point to another than to treat the accu point itself... It takes longer to take off clothes and put them on, attach the nosodes, than the whole photon treatment itself!
I learned one thing today. My daughter is 5, and I attached her 9 nosodes one after the other (like a train with wagons) and put them vertically above her belly button. We finished photon treatment in a minute or so, then I took the nosodes off her body. She CONTINUED testing for about 5 or 6 of the nosodes.
I kept wondering what happened. My only explanation was that the nosodes were not on her solar plexus anymore, but almost on her chest as she's so small. So I re-attached the ones that were still testing and this time did 2 'trains', one side by side above her belly button, then did the photon treatment. Bingo: they didn't test anymore after.
So there seems to be a specific area around the solar plexus that is still good for treatment, but if we get away from this area, the treatment loses effect.
My last herbal intake of killers was early morning, before photon. I took andrographis, cats claw, usnea barbata (strong killer liquen), propolis, stephania, etc etc as they tested. Now it's evening, ALL killers stopped testing after the photons, including the Pekana Mucan (not a nosode, but it deals with Mucor racemosus and candida).
So me and my daughter are on the almost the same cleaners now, Rechtsregulat, chlorella, bear garlic, Hechocur (liver detox), Chinese Liver herbs, tryroxinum homeopathic tested today, the magic mix I said before with Ubichinon etc (can't live without it anymore...), cardamon, Mapurit (vit E and magnesium)... She's still on other homeopathics for her yin state tesetd by ART, me I'm not... Quite an easy protocol compared to before. ONLY OF CLEANSERS!!!
-- Yes BOB, the Bionic frequencies used by dr. W are not Nogier frequencies.
I start to really feel Nogier frequencies do things by themselves in the way Nogier says it does.
That's why I wouldn't use Nogier with nosodes, because the treatment would get another meaning (???) So far, I haven't got a 'yes' to use nosodes WITH Nogier...
I wonder if the maker of PE1 wouldn't make a special setting for the PE1 with these Bionic frequencies... But so far, I guess the result is strong enough with direct non-pulsed light for me here, that I don't need a boosting... At least not for now.
I first did nosode treatment with 30% of potency. Now we are testing for 40%. As with Nogier, I think I only saw one person testing for a 60% potency.
The highest that I remember for myself is so far 50%. My daughter hasn't reached it yet (her maximum, if my memory is good, is 40% either with Nogier or with direct mode). I don't think I'll ever reach 100%. No need, I suppose? I feel the potency has to do with penetration, the smaller the body, less potency. The closest to skin, the smallest the potency.
--- LPARFAIT, I totally believe you. That's why the best is to test energetically before using it. You ask the Nogier frequency, then ask where to apply it, then ask the time and potency. For the ones that are sensitive or are not used with LOADS of cleansers, I would do about half of time recommeded by energetic tests.
Muscle tests usually go to the limit of a herx in my experience BEFORE light treatment. I could follow my muscle tests but it was like that was my limit to stand herxes. Some people prefer to take a bit less of what muscle tests say for this reason. My lyme doctor even recommends that slow approach with homeopathics (not nosodes) as some people can crash.
-- My intuition says borrelia and most pathogens love these infrared LEDs too. So if you just give photons without a purpose, you will be helping them too.
That is why I feel either you send Nogier frequencies to help something on your body because your body cells are asking for these frequencies (I start to believe Nogier frequencies are very good for some sorts of problems) OR you give light with information from nosodes to do something specifically.
Giving light without purpose may serve too many purposes, not only ours, I mean. This is just my feelings with these photons.
Gigi, my daughter keeps testing for FSME too, only the D200 nosode (I got the whole potency series)... I won't treat her now, as we're in the middle of borrelia treatment.
As for the manufacturing problem of nosodes, I'm a bit of a different opinion from Gigi. I guess that using photons is even MORE dangerous than ingesting them.
When I get consistent 'no need' for nosodes after 2 or 3 days after photon treatment, that means almost like my 'soul' got soaked with these nosodes!!! At least, that's how I see it.
No nosodes, if ingested, test only one day then only after 3 days. At least, when we are fighting active infection like it is our case here now, the ingested nosodes may test even more than once a day (morning and evening). We ingest them, and next day, they continue testing and it can go on and on, even for weeks. That's our experience with these nosodes.
Even dr. K. says, that to treat fungal infections or candidal infections with Sanum (mostly nosodes) will take minimum 9 months of continuous treatment. And you can bet this means daily ingestion of nosodes, at least once a day if not more.
So I do feel the photon treatment is stronger than ingesting. That most cells get the info while with ingestion, there's blockage somewhere, therefore we need going on ingesting to make our cells getting the message on what to do.
I'm absolutely not afraid of nosodes. If I get some doubts, I just re-dilute them more 3 times, and I'm sure I'm getting just water because I do it myself.
I feel that cutting carrots on a wooden board from my kitchen carries much more potencial danger than my nosodes. Extremely dangerous thing to do. Or to wipe my hands in a towel that has not been boiled before. Another adventure!
I start to feel 'high' on these EMRs... Gotta go
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
For me, energetic testing determines which frequencies to use on the Bionic - as other practitioners do. From my experience, the frequency to use varies on the depth needed. The deeper the toxic level, the lower the frequencies. There is no one-size-fits-all. You can take shortcuts, but I try not to. I test frequencies, intensity, points to treat each time; as well as length of time. It is always in seconds and rarely goes over five minutes per point.
Take care.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I think everyone is different in how they respond to these types of treatments.
I have repeatedly asked about mercury & it is not a problem for me to use the LightWorks. I still have about 4 mercury fillings left. I have also had several blood tests for mercury level & it is a non-issue for me.
I don't like having the mercury in my body but I've had the fillings since childhood. Any mercury in my body isn't just going to leave right away if I have the fillings removed. Mercury isn't the only environmental toxin that people may be dealing with, either. There are probably thousands of them.
I have used the LightWorks without the nosodes. There are many infrared devices on the market for people to use for many health issues. I think they can be of great benefit. Like with any treatment - 2 aspirins can cure a headache but if you have an allergy to them, they can be harmful. Same is true if you take a whole bottle of aspirins at one time.
With any health treatment, people can have adverse reactions or allergies. If you don't feel right using infrared light - you may want to pursue a different modality.
The main thing is to go slowly. Try alittle bit at a time. If you have an adverse reaction, stop the treatments or use it less.
If you do not feel comfortable experimenting, you should go to a practitioner or use a different treatment. I believe there are not enough studies about infrared light for anyone to be an expert with this.
All treatments with infrared light are in the experimental stages.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
A friend of mine used my Lightworks on AUTO cycle (4 minutes per nogier frequency) twice and nothing. So obviously it doesnt make everyone feel bad or herx. Her husband used it on setting A for a nasty cut on his finger and that healed nicely by second day. I would hope we can use at least the nogiers to some extent, if even for lower back pain, a cut... without herxing all over the place or stirring up bugs. Sheesh. If/when I use again, I will use my little finger tester device until I get a biotensor and ask the questions as you all are saying.. thank you.
I am also thinking that I need to get back to focus on detox pathway, possibly allergies to toxins (esp wondering if there is a link there with the "shoemaker dreaded gene" which I have), and more gently bringing down the load with the Buhner herbs I am on right now.
I think you (all) are right.. we don't know, and I do know I have detox issues. Getting the biotensor now will help me prepare. So that's my plan today and thank you all for sharing all this info.
What do you all think of this: NMT is also a very rapid and effective way of correcting all allergies - not only those to foods, inhalants, and other external substances; but to body tissues and body chemicals. Allergy is really an error in "tagging" of incoming sensation that tells us we have been exposed to some material. This error provokes the immune system into a defensive response that results in the allergy symptoms we experience. NMT attempts to correct the erroneous "tagging", and thereby stops the allergy behavior. NMT addresses the faulty process at the heart of all allergies - so it is usually much faster, and more effective than methods that require treatment of each allergen.
I know someone who was treated with this and recommended it.
I'm not sure if this is the same as being allergic to a toxin thus not being able to tag it for elimination or something totaly different?
The site does go on to say: Similarly, NMT treatment is used to cause the body to recognize external toxins, or chemicals that mimic body hormones, or prevent our enzyme systems to work properly. Toxins such as heavy metals are known to cause many illnesses. NMT treatment instructs the body to purge these harmful substances from the tissues, and eliminate them.
Robin
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
I do the same thing and I NEVER have herxes from using the LW... I actually to date have not had any significat progress as well... but I am still using it in HOPE.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Everytime I have used it beyond just my lower back (inflammation frequency) and added in more, I seem to have problems. I don't know if it is concidence (flare) or stirring up or herx.
MD muscles tested my daughter for it and it tested 10 of 10 helpful and 10 of 10 detrimental. ????
I am hopeful that people are getting better one way or another (and maybe it is helping your cells) and that the photon pioneers (you all) will make some sense of this. Right now, I am not sure what to do with it.. except for one application at a time, one frequency as Selma was saying..
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
What is the best frequency to use LW at.. A-G... I know I asked this question.. but I am very confused and cannot understand much lately
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Genetic predisposition can be changed. It's not an eternal truth. There's a whole field of epigenomics that is about this...
I think that people who do not have Lyme have a very different experience with infrared light than people who do. My husband uses the light with no herxing, etc. He doesn't have Lyme.
I've read that some people have no effect with it, as well.
At this point in my life, I'm very skeptical of all treatments & theories. I've tried so many things it makes my head spin to think of it.
I'm just moving forward with this because it feels right for me to do so. There's alot regarding Lyme, Fibro, CFS/ME, etc. that is a mystery. I don't think that anyone has the answer for everyone going through this group of illnesses.
We just have to keep trying things until we can find something that makes us feel better.
I don't know if infrared light is the answer but it's worth investigating in my opinion. I've read the studies... it's valid. I just don't know if it's "the cure".
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Unexpected - Maybe just try the whole range & see if any feel good to you? Or try one at a time & see if you feel a difference?
If you feel bad from it - discontinue it.
PS - last night I felt terrible. I'm taking some supplements that are for detox & it's really effecting me... I was unable to sleep so I used the LW for about 40 minutes. I had bad pain in my back & shoulders. After I used it, it decreased my pain so I was able to finally fall asleep. I used it on a number of settings...
Today, I used the pendulum & it said to decrease the detox herbs. The LW really did help with reducing my pain. So, if anything - it was helpful to me last night.
Will it cure us with nosodes, etc. - who knows?
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
I have tried it so many different ways and different frequencies and NOTHNG excpet sometimes it helps my head pressure... and I use Nosodes... Ahhh I jsut wish something would help me already
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I took abx for 8 months & I felt the same way... nothing!
They didn't do a thing for me except make me get yeast infections.
It's all just trial & error...
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
I took abx for 6 months... and NOTHING too... I am only on herbs now.. AHHH And I have it really bad neurologically.... dammit something has GOT to work.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Unexpected, you can try constant mode (zero frequency) with the nosodes as Selma is doing with the PE-1. Robin
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Selma, what big box of nosodes did you get that you are testing as needing so many of them?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Unexpected, can you do energetic tests? I wouldn't take any herb nor light treatment without energetic tests... Herbs can also do harm than if taken wrong (I just remember taking bits of coptis and almost collapsing of kidney pain after).
All living cells emit photons, not only ours, but plants and bacteries too. Photons in my view COULD help bacteries as they can help you. As herbs can help some bacteries, I guess! Like our Vit B supplements can help our GI borrelia before they help us!!
That is why I think either one tests for frequencies (like Gigi says for killing and tissue penetration) or like I do for Nogier (I test each problem and ask which Nogier frequency I need) OR you use non-pulsed light WITH NOSODES for a specific purpose (also tested would be best).
Shooting in the air, doing the try and error can work, but it takes soooo much longer in any approach you choose. See the abx guys shooting here and there. The herb protocols too. Rife, if you don't know which frequency your body needs most. Anything takes muuch longer wihthout energetic tests, so does light therapy.
Until one finds which frequency helps on what, what potency, what lenght of time to treat the problem... well, maybe the problem will be already changed! In my experience, the same happens with herbs or nosodes, I need constant change, and I mean, daily change, either in the amount or in the products themselves. The ecossystem, bacteries, they change to protect themselves.
I also use Nogier on my husband, he has no herxes. And on a few other people without lyme but with other problems, they herxed zero.
I didn't feel really I had a herx when I only use Nogier frequencies. But as my skin infection is calm without other treatment I wondered if Nogier was killing. When I ask my body, it says Nogier is also killing. But I only use it for about 1 minute per spot (muscle tested), even less. So I never overdid treatments so far. That's maybe the reason I didn't feel the die off effect? I'm on loads of cleansers too, so...
I now think it kills. Otherwise, what happened to the 17 year old skin infection that I get every winter? Somehow, it is cleansing and killing, but it has nothing to do with herbs.
With herbs, we feel the effect almost immediately after ingestion. Even with ingested nosodes, we fell it helps killing almost immediately. With light, I don't see the cause-effect so fast. I just see that my skin problem is getting well and that I'm not treating with other things, that's all, but not a clear cause-effect like with herbs or ingested nosodes.
I was doing at least a foot bath a day with sodium bicarbonate to be able to live a normal day, this ritual is with me every winter. It has been like that for years, and years, almost two decades now. Since I use the PE1, I got too lazy to do them and I'm not doing that and the infection is very low profile. I wouldn't be able to wear shoes wihtout the foot baths. My conclusion is that it is only due to light! And mostly only Nogier.
What else could it be? Maybe a strong placebo effect?? I really don't care, as long as my skin is healing!!! The PE1 is the only thing I added and it is a very much coincidence that I don't need any other treatment for my skin and that we're in the middle of winter and I'm better there.
Another thing that happened this month. My cycle got to 31 days while during the last 3-4 years, after I fell sick with lyme, my cycle was of 3 weeks or even less. I even thought I was pregnant! The only thing I can say that I do different is light treatment. There was Sanum too, but I've been with Sanum since about October last year and my cycle was still a mess. And my skin infection was better but far from healed.
so I can only attribute this to light. And mostly to Nogier, NOT to nosodes+light.
My daughter doesn't seem to have a direct herx from the PE1 with Nogier, even though she has lyme. Again, I use it less than a minute for her, at about 30% potency, also muscle tested for lenght and frequency. No herx from it.
But again, when I ask, it says it is helping to kill her borrelia (but it was not enough for dealing with it, we needed extra treatment), and it says it was enough to deal with her mycoplasma. I'm talking merely about Nogier, not nosodes+light.
She herxed from the direct mode + nosode, like I am herxing. We are on NO other killing treatment for lyme for the moment. She started before me because her lyme was active before mine (swollen knee with lyme arthritis).
I stress again here, the PE1 is like 2 MACHINES IN ONE. Nogier frequencies are well known to help in a few areas.
Using the PE1 or any other device with NOSODES is something else. I can use daily Nogier frequencies, but I in no way can use daily sessions with nosodes.
The killing effect with light+ nosodes is different than with ingested nosodes too. Ingested nosodes work a bit like herbs or abx, you ingest them, and a few minutes or hours after you get a herx, you see the infection load going lower, symptoms decreasing, then after some hours, you feel the infection coming back and you need to ingest killers again. At least, that is my pattern.
With light, the nosode treatment is different. It is very difficult to see a cause-effect reaction so fast as with herbs-abx-ingested nosodes. Herxes are also different, I feel we herx less. And our bodies continue the killing days after it, in a way it looks milder.
But somehow, we both of us are not needing anything else to kill, no killer herbs, none of Buhner herbs tests, nor Noni, Samento, bee venom even in homeopathy, bee venom ointments, nor even propolis tests, nothing that boosts the immune system either like eleuthero, bee pollen, Sanum Utilin S, Utilin H...
Daughter is not using Nogier in the last two days as they don't test. Her intestines are sooo much better now. Swelling to zero for a week.
BEJOY, I got two of the Meripharm boxes of nosodes, one bacterial, one fungal. I won't look again into them until I'm done with the borrelia nosodes. I guess I need to go through either AI then, or to some more heavy metal and other cleaners before going after all those critters. Just too many to deal.
I'm also trying to collect the tick coinfections nosodes here and there, they're more difficult to find than in the US (like babesia or bartonella for example...).
I'm also not sure that a single dilution (D6) will do the job for all those critters, I guess some will ask for different dilutions, so it will be a lot of work...
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
So, Selma, your husband never got lyme even though he gets the same tickbites?
Is there a genetic vulnerability you passed to your lovely daughter?
I guess so...
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
I am just way too confused for all of this .... I don't have a way to energetically test. My chiro who muscle tests me I have not been able to go to for a couple of weeks....
I will just keep playing around with it!
Posted by maureen2174 (Member # 11471) on :
Okay, Let me get this straight.
It IS OKAY to use the PE-1 on pulsed nogier frequencies WITHOUT nosodes? I should just test with biotensor to see what frequencies and where I should place the light. I have just been using J which runs through all of them, changes every 7 seconds.
I have nosodes from deseret, but not clear vials.
I have used the PE-1 on 90% pulsed nogier frequencies (J which runs through all of them) for 2 hours at a time. I never used continuous mode. I never tested points, just used the 10 that Dr. W uses and then place the light where my sciatic pain is.
I have never really had a herx from the light therapy, other than a little achiness and feeling tired and out of it for a short period of time afterwards.
Unexpected- I am pretty confused about all of this too.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
My body is so sensitive that I will have to test everything and with the LW. I am curious about the nogiers testing for mycoplasmas for Selma. I am getting that possibly people react differently to light, so what works for one may not for another the same way. I think I get that Selma found Nogiers without nosodes may kill but not as strong (for lyme at least)in her testing for herself/daughter. nonpulsed light tested as needing nosodes to direct it to kill I think because the light otherwise appeals to the bugs. It needs direction but when it gets it, it is powerful. The Nogiers are already sending a message and adding a nosode gives it an additional message.. That s how I am understanding.
Robin
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Shandy -- spend the 70 dollars and get a biotensor, i know you don't have much money, bit I think you really need it to progress. Then you'll able to energetically test. www.self-health.net I believe is the website. When you get it, we can help you use it. Make sure if you get one, don't let anyone else touch it or use but yourself. Once you start testing with it, your electrical signature goes into it.
Thanks Selma for clearing up a few points on frequencies. Also I did know about the difference in frequencies of the units. I guess I didn't phrase my question well. Also I posted an article I thought was quite interesting about iodine and skin infections. And thought it might be helpful to you.
Just a curiosity about iodine, I was wondering about the topical use of iodine and LED use. Just offering for discussion. Sorry if I segwayed of topic.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
O2, husband is immune to ticks, no tick bites him, but they love us, me and daughter! He is out without any protection, he does lots of gardening, cuts the grass, everything, never gets a tick bite.
I get a tick bite just going to get my post just a few steps from my front door, without going through grass... My daughter is a tick magnet too.
Mosquitos rarely bite him too. They love me and my daughter. If my husband gets bitten, he would fall as sick as us, as he suffers from eczema and has some allergies. I'm sure a tickbite for him would be very bad. But he's not bitten, he's a lucky guy.
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Maureen, I have used Nogier without nosodes, with energetic tests, as you say. I don't know if this is OK for everyone, that is what I've been doing and what I am doing with other people. They are all my lab rats, I know...
But I use only seconds or few minutes.. so far everyone is still alive!!!
I wonder if I would ever meet someone that tests for 90% potency though. So far, no one I met tested so high, the highest was 60% (maybe a woman with thick bones tested once for 70%).
I would also ask energetically for how long would you need, and exactly where can you use light.
I also didn't really "herx" from Nogier, I also felt achy and tired though after Nogier one or another time. But my energetic tests keep saying that the Nogier frequencies were sometimes killing. True or not, who knows...
I am not interested much in killing with Nogier, I'm more interested in healing cells/tissue. If they kill, for me, it's just a plus. I don't think that Mucor racemosus killing will solve the problem of Mucor, as our bodies can rebuild Mucor from scratch. See what I mean?
My mucor is under control, and I'm eating all candies, cakes I wish, no sugar diet since I got the PE1. I'm back to cooking crepes and eating them with my daughter, it's been sooo long I didn't enjoy eating sugars as they did so bad to me... So the PE1 must be doing some healing, as I really don't think mucor racemosus would be quiet only with killers. See what I mean? Read the Sanum theories about mucor racemosus if you have interest.
I am also very sensitive, so the extra care in testing is for me a must. I suppose some people aren't that sensitive. I just get my head totally high when I turn on the PE1 to treat someone else, at the moment the light is on. I know most people say they feel nothing!!!
I do feel the same with green laser, specially if it is flashing through vials. The green laser can be just being flashed on the wall far from me, but just because I'm there, I feel the effect on myself quite strong. So maybe it's just me.
I'm just writing what I'm doing and what I would never do ON MYSELF (use light at 100% potency, for example). I would never go more than a few minutes per day either. But this is me. I am sure there are loads of people using Nogier for much more than 15 minutes a day and not dying after.
I react strongly to most things too. It's like that with herbs, with homeopathics, with green laser, with photons. So I go with care because I hate overdoing things or herxing too much. I've been to ERs more than once due to herxes, so that's not the place I want to get back.
No one knows how to use this PE1 well, everything is experimental. I wished others were doing more energetic tests and sharing their experiments so that we could take some conclusion in the end.
Don't take my words as truth, just try testing by yourself and come back here to share. I'm just a new user, so I'm sure there's loads to still learn.
One thing I am getting convinced is that using photons with nosodes has to be done without the presence of other people in the room.
I'm also taking extra care when on Nogier only. I ask people to leave the room too, so that they don't get treated with frequencies their bodies are not asking.
the PE1 has different LEDs that penetrate different tissues, as they not only have 880nm LEDS but other 4 wavelengths combined. That's why I guess this combination tests for such a short period of time for me. As the photons go everywhere deep inside, I suppose I don't need much time treating the points, only seconds with Nogier (or ONE second most of the times, when I use nosodes).
I packed ALL my Buhner's herbs in my closet, rain forest plants (pau darco, gervao), rizols, frozen garlic, and also all the Sanum nosodes, immuno boosters or modulators. My kitchen desk has never been so empty that I remember!! I'm keeping supportive homeopathics out though, and some cleansing herbs. Many are needed during the day.
Let's see where we go from here on! Lyme killers don't test. My EM rash has gone for good now. So far, not any other lyme symptom showed up. I keep testing for cleansers about 4 times a day, and my daughter about 3 times a day. Chlorella keeps testing and other stuff I said above. So something IS going on.
Has anyone treated BORRELIA ANTIGENS? I got my antibody nosodes, and was wondering if I have to treat it separately AFTER treating with bacterial nosodes?
any info would be helpful.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Do you test for thyroxinum homeopathic Bob? Daughter and I are on thyroxinum C30 sometimes.
Sanum Polysans come with iodine too. I don't know if they would affect the photon treatment.
Sea weeds have iodine, right? I guess food wouldn't be contraindicated, so... why not trying to get some misoshiro with seaweeds? Easy to cook and delicious to eat.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I made a pendulum and asked it the questions. It says mycoplasma and not lyme is acting up. The near infrared sauna (lamp sauna)is killing as well as the nogiers. I am not sure I am making this happen. I am glad I made it. Good practice for when I get the biotensor and to compare to it. I will get both to compare because I dont trust myself. I ate gluten recently and it says my neuropathy is autoimmune from that. Now, I have been talking about that with someone else, and it seems a little odd that this comes up that way. Also the talk of nogiers and mycoplasma.. ?? So I am not sure how much I am influencing. Buhner herbs it says are not helping but samento is and cumanda will. That make sense? All my binders tested good. Are there special tips for using the pendulum.. I made it from a metal chain and have a key hanging from it. It's relieving to start practicing.
Sparkle, I'm seeing it goe sideways for a yes and back and forth for no. Then it leans in more sideways toward herb when it I am closer to the dosage... it pulls even. I start it out going negative just to make sure. My hands are a little shaky.
[ 02-03-2009, 10:46 PM: Message edited by: R62 ]
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Robin, Buhner's herbs work well mostly for borrelia. If your body is not busy with borrelia but need the mycoplasma treatment, Buhner's herbs don't usually test.
my daughter was on pau d'arco for her mycoplasma, and one thing that is good is Rechtsregulat, I suppose. I'm sure there are other herbs for mycoplasmas, just keep searching. Also look into cardamon, I'm not sure it kills mycoplasma, but it tests good for so long for us here, that I don't know what is doing anymore.
I think you'll only feel confident with the time. But if your regulation is closed, the answers can be very wrong...
When you ask if they kill, this is still not enough for treatment. You have to add in the end, it this ENOUGH for the mycoplasma now? If not, you gotta try to find what will be enough. Many things can kill a bit, but it's the ENOUGH that you have to reach.
Same for cleansers, ask organ by organ, enough to clean my liver / kidney / lymph / small intestine / large intestine / lungs?
I mean, that's how I did. Sometimes, borrelia needs many killers, as well as most tick born pathogens... Rarely one single killer is enough.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Selma -- thanks for the tip -- I hadn't considered a homeopathic.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Thank you, Selma for all the great tips. I'll keep practicing. I have cardomon seeds in my herb/supp basket and saved your info on that. I tested for samento and cumanda today for mycoplasma and then the Buhner herbs as well for lyme, so I know this is not clear with me yet. Will test pau d'arco as well. Thanks so much. Robin
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I woke up today with my left arm a bit numb. This looks like active borrelia... I went jogging, and my left hand took time to warm up. Deja vu impression... If I leave borrelia in my muscles there (back, arms) without treatment, it will make lots of muscle pains, then toxins will be there for months... I know this...
I just had a kind of 'flash' thinking about blockages that borrelia makes. I have the impression blocking (energy and blood circulation) is one of the most important guns borrelia uses against us. My numbness tests as blockage on certain accupressure points.
I've seen dr. K. treating patients, and the parts that they are more sick ARE the parts that are blocked, that receive no remedies, no herbs, little blood circulation, etc. He can see that with ART quite easily.
So an ALS patient has his brain blocked, even if he's taking his good supplements, the supplements don't reach the brain. So his treatment is to unblock the energy/ circulation before ingesting supplements.
When I asked my body to see if the herbs were reaching the areas of muscles that got pain in my last borrelia revival, the answer was almost invariably 'no'. I opened the way with tapping or accupressure, but then, it got again blocked hours later, and I had to be doing that the whole day, opening the energy/paths so that my treatment was effective, many times a day.
And I still had bits of numbness on and off last year and a lot of muscle pain.
I felt borrelia was more persistent than I as it kept changing blockages (new accupressure points). I got numbness on and off for whole hours when I got tired to chase the accupressure points that needed treatment... It made me think that this blockage was one of the first guns borrelia used against me.
One of my hands were colder than the other, which was another amazing weird symptom. Lower blood circulating in one hand.
I discovered that rubbing some oils could keep some paths open, and then I guess I took some advantage on these blockages before I had the photon machine. But it was constant war, without rest, day and night chasing the points.
I'm just writing that because today I did another nosode treatment with all borrelia nosodes. I asked then the SAME accupressure points that were testing blockage (1 point on my back and 1 on armpit were blocking the energy to reach my arm and hands). Deja vu. Same points that tested on my right arm last year.
The photon device tested for these two exact points. So I did the protocol of dr. W., some more points I usually do, then added these two points of blockages.
I didn't tap or did accupressure during the day. Numbness went out in about an hour after photons. The two points don't test as blocking energy anymore.
This is very interesting. So far, it's evening, and the numbness hasn't come back.
So the light must work to unblock points as I suspected! That is one of the explanations for the efficacy of these nosodes with photons?
You can ingest whole botlles of borrelia nosodes for months, or years, I don't think they cure chronic cases. But with photons, these nosodes are reached all over, the information doesn't get blocked, so borrelia indeed lost one of its most powerful guns against our bodies!
I just keep thinking about the article about the GU syndrome, a disease caused by a 'secret' pathogen used to poison enemies long ago in China. The GU ideogram was of worms in a closed vase. The idea was that such Gu disease was described as worms growing in a closed vase, like when we leave some food inside a pot and close the lid and all the critters develop.
The author was comparing the Gu syndrome/disease to lyme disease. The patient is seen as though his body is a closed vase, that rottens inside, no circulation, no movement, no cleansing, no air reaching where it should, then worms grow inside.
The Chinese treatment of this syndrome was to make things and energy move inside patients. Many died awful deaths though.
I have the feeling that using photons, we open the lid of the rotten vase, then circulation re-starts...
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
The light might have brought yours out ... ??unblocking with photon might bring out cysts?? and then let the nosodes energetic message in as well and the nosodes set the target to destroy? How else can one be lyme free with a few weeks of bionic treatment.. or are they?
Can something bring out hidden bugs and cysts and then kill them? Like a sauna even or exercise? Oxygen, light, movement? Could that be one reason movement wipes some of us out and then we are not able to kill the bugs as well as the photon/nosode? Could the nogiers do that for some... open up then soem of us have the ability to zap with our herbs, immune system and some struggle more without nosodes?
Do you have to clear the energetic blocks with the photon device directly or will it just do that? I cannot imagine knowing enough to know where I am blocked, let alone grasp all the meridian points to consider.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I didn't read all of the posts but I skimmed them. My experience with a pendulum is that it either goes clockwise (yes) or counter-clockwise (no). I use a plain cotton thick button thread & a silver charm with a green stone on it.
You may want to practice a bit & ask a bunch a questions just to see how it works & responds. You may want to try different materials for the pendulum, too. I found that fishing line & a quartz crystal did not work for me. Also, my husband has a crystal on a chain that is meant to be a pendulum & it didn't work for me, either.
There's lot of info about dowsing on the internet. Just do a search on google. I also saw a few books at the library about it. I'm going to check them out next time I go there.
I think I did some major killing when I went through the big herx last summer with the LightWorks. I used it every day for about 2 weeks for about 40 minutes a day (with the frequencies). I had a huge reaction after about 2 weeks. It was alot of intestinal stuff, pain, diarrhea, etc. It lasted about a month & a half but after I felt better. I think the infrared light may be cumulative.
Now, I've been using the LW to treat pain. I use it for about 40 minutes every other day with different frequencies. I take a day off to detox. I haven't gotten the clear vials, yet (the mail is really slow down here). I am going to treat with homeopathic mycoplasmas from Deseret when I get the vials. I'll use the pendulum when the vials get here to figure out the next course of action.
I'm doing well with the InnoVita supplements, so far. I had to stop one (as per testing) & I'm feeling better. It was causing alot of detox pain.
There are cheaper "bobbers" you can find on the internet. Most dowsing experts say it's not the dowsing rod - it's the person's innate sensitivity. You just need to practice.
I ordered one from someone who makes them & charges a pay as you wish fee. I heard they were quite good!
I don't think I would use the infrared light with anything topical - like iodine. We use to use iodine & baby oil to get a super suntan back in the days before skin cancer from tanning!
Grapefruit seed extract may help bust cysts in combination with the infrared light.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Robin, I don't know if I'll be free of borrelia again nor my daughter after few weeks. I'm not using the Bionic, but have an appointment to use it in April.
I'm just EXPERIMENTING with the PE1, that's all. If this will be enough, if this will last only couple of weeks, I don't have any idea, just hope. So far, so good. We're off all killers as I told here before.
I guess the light opens pathways no matter where it is applied. If you got a specific strong blockage it would be better to apply where the blockage is. It is coincidental many times with painful spots, I feel. So using the machine to relieve pain would do most of the job, I SUPPOSE.
Even without energetic tests.
The only problem I see in not using energetic tests is that I keep wondering if the light is not good TO THE PATHOGENS too as well as it is good for us. They emit biophotons too!
Again, there is NOGIER that treats lots of things, and there's NOSODE + photons, that treat BASICALLY what the nosodes bring as information. At least, that's what I can figure out so far.
Gigi used photons to treat her feet WITHOUT nosodes (if I understood well), only with certain frequencies from the Bionic, and she got borrelia revival, having been on remission for years.
I treated my daughter using her borrelia and coinfections autonosodes, AND treated myself with Nogier and had my borrelia revival about 2 weeks after using photons. I was not treating borrelia for myself, but could have gotten either the borrelia information from my daughter OR the Nogier woke my borrelia up.
If one knew what makes borrelia wakes up, it would be great. There seems to be a relation between photons and these borrelia relapses, but we're on 2 examples, too little to say. Maybe 3 examples, as my daughter got her arthritis crisis after using Nogier too. We were not on borrelia treatment, only using Nogier when it happens. She had been on lyme remission for more than a year.
One thing is Nogier treatment, we don't know how it reacts with borrelia and pathogens...
Another DIFFERENT thing are nosodes + photons, I feel this is a powerful gun AGAINST borrelia. My understanding is that photons make the message from nosodes be listened much deeper, or clearer, instead of just ingesting nosodes. As I said before, I don't believe ingesting borrelia nosodes cures anyone with chronic lyme.
As I don't believe photons alone can cure chronic borrelia.
We all have been using ingestable borrelia nosodes for ages here, to help on healing, but they were NEVER a monotherapy! We needed loads of things to keep lyme under control during the years.
But now, we're ONLY on borrelia nosodes + autonosodes to have lyme under control. So it is clear to me that the nosodes are working only due to the COMBINATION of photons + nosodes.
I don't believe Nogier alone can do all the killing job for borrelia either. It tests as helping to kill borrelia, but ALMOST all Buhner's herbs and other anti-infective herbs kept testing together while my daughter was on Nogier.
I also had been on Nogier for a month or more, and I still needed all Buhner's herbs when my lyme finally revived.
Daughter went through another treatment with Photons+nosodes today, we are mixing autonosodes with borrelia nosodes together. She tested for potency 50%, first time for her. Only one or two seconds in each point.
She is not testing for very lower dilutions of nosodes, so it may mean she's progressing with healing. I've seen that pattern with ingestable nosodes, we start with lower dilutions and we progress through higher dilutions until nothing tests anymore.
With ingestable nosodes, when nothing tests anymore, it either means remission or it means the ingestable nosodes are of no use anymore. We need to go on searching for alternatives.
I did the second borrelia nosode treatment yesterday for myself, so far so good. I still test for all the 10 nosodes, so I can't see I improved...
The hand/arm numbness is gone since yesterday's treatment.
As for the opening of pathways, I told here before that I am treating other people without lyme. I know a few of them have ALWAYS been blocked since I started doing energetic tests.
They came blocked to treatment with NOGIER ONLY, but days after they kept open. I mean, their regulation was open. I first deblocked them with dr. K's methods, but since then, no more need!!! No one had lyme though.
I need more experience with more people. I'm spreading the word about photons, and will probably get more people down home for experimenting my machine.
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Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Selma -- the cyst forms hibernate in cells that are diseased and not functioning. When you use light you re-power the cells. When the cells are re-powered they boot the invaders out. The cells could then take them out with nitrous oxide or they become vulnerable to the overall immune system. At least that was my understanding from many of the discussions in the past.
The nosodes are to put the immune system on alert for the lyme frequency to make sure you get them all.
Another thought is to use MMS with photons. That is another way IMO to get rid of lyme. I've treated myself and one of my dogs with just this approach. Neither of us test for lyme any longer. With the dog it took about 2 1/2 months, there is something about the metabolism of an animal that seems to make it work better. He's been off of it for about 3 weeks and has gotten all his energy back.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Something to think about: Use your tensor or your pendulum and test. You will get a certain result.
Then cross your legs and test the same thing. Check what happens.
Take care.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Thanks again for your posts, Selma. Always "enlightening!"
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Gigi..
Flat feet on floor yes is circle left Right leg crossed over left yes is circle right (clockwise) Left leg crossed over right yes is circle left (counterclockwise)
What does this mean?
I think I am getting consistant yes as counterclockwise.. until I cross right leg over left.
quote:Originally posted by GiGi: Something to think about: Use your tensor or your pendulum and test. You will get a certain result.
Then cross your legs and test the same thing. Check what happens.
Take care.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I guess the bacteria would like the photons as would the cells.. and it seems to make sense that cysts might be released for the immune system to deal with or some other killing substance. I wonder if using nogiers while on antimicrobials would be even more helpful and if the there need to be cyst busters.. would the cysts be busted by the nogiers/photons or just driven from the cells? If they like the light, maybe they do revert back to active form.. so would using nogiers and herbs be a good idea? I was thinking that about the lamp infrared sauna as well. ??
I can see photons with no frequency like nogier needing help from a nosode.. or maybe MMS to be ther for the kill??? There is no direction there, just photon.
Nogier has some direction with the frequency, but even the Bionic has a frequency.. ?? and still there is a nosode to help out. ??
Sparkle did you use nogiers with no antimicrobials on board? I wonder if some immune systems can better handle the release and empowerment of Bb if that occurs.. if the "light" is enough for some and others need more assistance.
I am also wondering about biofilms.. if the light has am impact in any way. That would be bound colonies, I think. I am reading that ozone helps destroy biofilms and I wonder about photons. All I got was the use of infrared light to view biofilms.. I think. If the Bionic does work as well as it suposedly does, then it has to address biofilms as well? Or is that addressed another way by Dr. W?
Thank you you ALL. This is all so interesting and a little overwhelming. I'm back to concentrating on herbs and my new KMT and learning how to pendulum, bob, and dowse. What you are sharing is so exciting and I can't wait to be there, but I am not ready yet.
If you were to start from the beginning.. and I think, Gigi, you said something about this. What would you concentrate on first? I can see the allergy testing, learning to energetically test, checking detox pathways with tests or energetically??? if tests, which ones? Anything else good basic ground to cover? I would think removal of amalgams once allergy issue is addressed and detox pathways clear?
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
The order I would concentrate are in the following order: dental, metals, lyme, yeast, co-infections, viruses, tissue repair. And through all of this alkalizing the body as much as possible. Especially breathing exercises, the more oxygen in the body -- the better.
Bob
Posted by maureen2174 (Member # 11471) on :
Hmmm.... I do not get any circles. I get side to side for no and up and down for yes. Is this right? Boy, I am getting confused!
I have the biotensor. I always stand on the floor with my right foot in front of the left and hold the biotensor straight in front of me.
Posted by maureen2174 (Member # 11471) on :
The problem for me is that my biotensor says that I do not have lyme, bartonella, babesia, or mycoplasma.
My remaining symptoms are sciatic pain, ear symptoms , and some tingling/vibrations (mainly in feet).
The biotensor gives me a yes for yeast, but I do not have nosodes for yeast.
Should I continue to treat without nosodes on nogier frequencies? Or would it be better to try to find some yeast nosodes? hmmm.....
Even when I am 100% again, I was planning on using the light therapy to keep me there, but without nosodes. hmmm...
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
When energy testing with a tensor, if you cross either your arms or legs in any way, you are blocking your own energy, and your result will not be true.
Your legs should be apart, firmly grounded. You should not wear thick tennis shoes or rubber soles because they may energetically insulate. Watches, chains and bracelets and rings can also block the energy flow.
If your own energy flow is present, the tensor moves up and down.
If the energy flow is disturbed (which is often the case when ill), the tensor stays still or it swings side to side. That means your regulation is blocked.
Take care.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Here's one to try, take the tensor on one hand and with the other hand put your hand finger pads flat on the table, notice which way the tensor sways. Now take your hand again finger pads flat against a wall. Again notice which way the tensor sways.
This is a physical reality, I imagine you can do the same with a pendulum.
Enjoy
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
re: Sparkle did you use nogiers with no antimicrobials on board?
I was doing the full Cowden protocol at the time.
I got to the point where I didn't feel it was necessary to take any herbs or supplements for a while. The light seems to change everything.
I had a bunch of personal issues - so, everything became too intense. So, I'm not the best person to ask in regards to protocols...
Things are just beginning to get back to some kind of "normal" for me. I'm still going through alot of stress, though.
I had an Asyra test done a couple of weeks ago. It says my issue to treat right now is mycoplasmas. I also have to strengthen my spleen, thymus & adrenals. As far as heavy metals go - my issue is strontium...
It's interesting since I had 2 mycoplasma tests & they both came back normal. 1 was even done by Garth Nicholson's lab. So much for conventional testing...?
I have begun taking some supplements for the spleen, thymus & adrenals. I'm also taking a couple of detox supplements & I've been having a hell of a detox.
I also would like to start the mycoplasma remedy from Deseret Biologicals but the clear vials haven't arrived yet.
The doctor said I should just take them internally but I tested it (pendulum) & it said to use the LightWorks. I don't know how I will do it just yet. I will test for how to go about doing it when the vials get here.
When I do the pendulum, I usually sit on the floor with my legs folded in a meditative posture (not lotus... I'm not sure what it's called - Indian style?). I haven't tried it in different positions. This just seems the most natural to me.
Different people have different techniques. I think you have to go with what feels comfortable. Some techniques may be good but I haven't tried testing if the other ways are better or not. I may try it when I have a chance.
There are plenty of books on techniques. Joey Korn & Raymond Grace have written some books on the subject that are supposed to be very good. I haven't gotten to reading them, yet. There is much potential with dowsing & so much to learn.
There's always room for improvement or to learn something new... I have certain limitations with money & with my health - so, I can't always buy or do everything I would like to.
I just have to make due with what I have at hand. Some days I just feel lousy & I have only so much energy. It's hard to cover everything. I just try to do the best I can with all of this.
It's easy to get overwhelmed with all of the products & techniques. I try to make things simple rather than more complex. Everyone has their own style, though.
I can only do so much. I do feel I'm on the right track with all of this "esoteric" stuff. I tried the conventional route & didn't get all that far with it after 12 years.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
As far as priorities for dealing with Lyme: What I know today is completely different from what I knew six months ago.
Today I would unless I was in a very acute Lyme state seek to do the test for DNA allergies first and follow it through with the therapy. I have written about it in many different places.
Once the major allergies are lifted, the body will be able to recognize toxins and will be able to eliminate them. I have always known that if allergic to a substance, especially some important foods, metals and chemicals, it is very difficult for the body to defend itself and get toxins out when we are exposed to them. I did know about that fact, but I did not know of a sure-fire way to eliminate the allergies, and being able to do that without avoiding all these good foods. Now I do, and I have enough evidence and I posted about it that this method works. Almost an 80% success rate is good enough for me.
Once the body is able to detox properly, all else takes on a totally different picture. Pathoways that you thought weren't working are now free. And the order I would then follow would be by energetic testing. Priorities first. The body knows best.
I learned that from practitioners who are aware and are using this www.allergie-immun.de treatment and after that are using the Bionic or other available methods are successful.
I know this is again something that is not available in this country yet, but it is easily available by mail. Cost? I wish I had known it earlier - my husband and I could have saved ourselves thousands of dollars in treatments that worked only partially, not to mention the lost time and the mental and physical struggles.
It really does not fit again in this thread either, but the question was raised as to approach.
I also realize that some people do not have the means or desire to do these or other therapies. It is not my intention nor has it ever been to offend anyone. I am just bringing it up because I am also learning as I go along and investigate and consult with people who have success with their patient treatments. I will continue to tell what I lear, no matter what, hopefully for the good of one or two.
Take care.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Thank you all once again.
Maureen.. I am using a pendulum, so it can make circles.
Gigi and Bob.. I am thinking you are both right. I want to prepare to use either the PE1 or the Bionic, if it really is as good as reported.. I want to get ready to go (which I think will take a year), go and bring the device home. So how to prepare is relevant.
If the allergy immune protocol works, then it will help clear the way for metal removal and I have been told I am too toxic for removal of amalgams by every doctor I have seen. Making sure the detox pathways are running smoothly would help as well, I am assuming. The only tests I have heard of are the Genova Comprehensive detox profile, the Genova genetic detox profile (not sure that matters?) and the methyation pathway test from Yasko (that is terribly expensive). Do you have opinions on those? Thank you... Robin
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I had a few issues in regards to using infrared light therapy...
1. extremely little money 2. not very many doctors who understand energetic medicine near where I was living, plus no money to pay them if if I found someone 3. very little information about using infrared light for healing Lyme
If # 1. & #2. aren't issues for you, it makes things easier. I didn't want to use "standard" treatments since I was ill for over 9 years & didn't have any good treatments for what was wrong with me. Even by so-called wholistic/alternative doctors...
I lived in a highly endemic area & didn't even know I had Lyme for over 9 years of being ill. I spent over tens of thousands out of pocket on health care (no insurance, no disability - but unable to work).
That said, after extensive research - I was able to find someone who did an Asyra reading for me from a hair sample. I feel like I was able to get a basis of how to treat from this. The consultation & hair sample analysis was $90.
They recommend Deseret Biologicals for treatment, as well as, supplements from a company called InnoVita. The supplements & the DesBio remedies cost me an additional $150. So far, it seems to be working but it's only been a couple of weeks.
I spent years researching my own health issues. So far, this has been the least expensive way for me to go using "energetic" medicine in combination with the LightWorks.
Deseret Biologicals also has a method of treating allergies. I haven't compared it to the one Gigi mentioned but they may have similarities. The Asyra is considered by many to be very accurate. I believe that Dr. Cowden uses it in his practice from what people have told me & what I've read.
This may be something to look into if the German methods are too expensive. I haven't gotten to the point of considering this treatment for allergies, yet. I have to consult my pendulum to see if this is something I need to address.
Hope this helps... Everyone is different & needs to find what really is causing the health problems they are facing. The standard & many alternative procedures just didn't do it for me.
Posted by maureen2174 (Member # 11471) on :
so, the biotensor moving up and down or left and right means that i am not actually getting answers from it? the reason i put my right leg in front of my left leg is from the instructions that came with it.
I am pretty sure that the instructions also said up and down was yes and side to side was no. Now I am so confused! I'll go find the instruction booklet.
Is it better not to wear any shoes when using it then?
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
Where can you get tested with the Asrya???
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Maureen -- while standing if the tensor moves left to right = NO, Up and down = YES. However when you cross your legs right leg over left leg it changes. So for simplicity, don't cross your legs and no issue.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
PENDULUM: for me it always went back-forth, right-left. I don't think there's a constant for everyone. I prefer though my muscle tests, faster for me.
ROBIN & BOB: I think you still didn't grasp the power of photons + nosodes. This is so far THE MOST POWERFUL treatment for killing borrelia I ever used. MMS tests absolutely 'no'. We don't need anything like cyst busters, nor killers. I repeat, both me and daughter are on ZERO KILLERS for borrelia, nor even immunomodulators, nor cyst busters. ZERO. They test with a strong NO.
ABout cyst busters: when lyme is DORMANT, NOTHING WILL KILL CYSTS in my experience. No cyst busters test, if you still take them anyway, nothing happens. You don't herx, lyme doesn't get awaken. I've been on this dance for years now, and you know I trust my muscle tests. When lyme is dormant, cysts are hidden too.
My daughter has been on remission for almost 1.5 years. She had nothing, zero, no lyme, no symptom, no need for cyst busters, no treatment for lyme during this time.
When lyme wakes up, we need to kill the active form and the cysts at about the end of active infection, but after that, we are unable to do any treatment. That's why this photon story gets interesting!
Look at Gigi, who got her lyme dormant for YEARS. You can be sure she kept testing for cyst busters and had no need for them (Gigi, tell me if I'm wrong).
And Bob, do you test for cyst busters now? Even if you test negative, try to take them, nothing will happen! Just try.
And do you believe you got no more cysts for this reason (that we are unable to kill them)?
Bob, thanks for the idea that the cells recognize the pathogen and expells it, it makes some sense.
I still got another EM rash on my left hand today in the morning, that reacted with bee venom ointment. Now it's almost finished, I just see a 'shadow' of it. I always have EM rashes when borrelia wants to take hold of my body (almost every time it starts to wake up).
Another thing to add: My daughter tested for the lower potencies today, the ones she didn't test yesterday... So I thought to do the photon treatment again and had the idea to test in my big bacterial box, if I should treat her for something else TOO.
I just put my hands by every 10 nosodes or so to test if any of them were positive. All negative, except for one. In about 100, only one tested. I had NO IDEA what it was, because it is almost impossible to read and I didn't want to read it during the test.
Guess which one? Borrelia antibodies!! So I went to my borrelia antibodies series of nosodes, she tested for all. I asked if it was okay do do the photon treatment with them IN ADDITION to her autonosodes lower potency (that didn't test yesterday, but tested today) and I got a yes, then I did it.
She had been herxing but not too much. But guess what ? I got treated too, of course. I have spent 5 hours with very low energy and having articulation pains. 2 hours at lunch time, then got good energy again, worked out in the garden, then at 17.00, I crashed. The pains were strong and I could barely keep my eyes open, I was flat.
The reaction is EXACTLY what I had with Polysans from Sanum. The Polysans clean ANTIBODIES from several common pathogens. We just rub them on the body, and then lay flat after a few hours with the exact things I had today. The bone pain (vertebral column, knees, fingers, toes, ankles) is the same, feeling of tiredness is also similar... Deja vu again.
I am getting convinced that I got treated while I was treating borrelia antibodies from my daughter. Muscle tests say yes, the borrelia antibodies are the cause for my 'herx-like' reaction.
If you guys still don't believe on how powerful this is, just try it WITH nosodes. I was fully dressed, so I only got bits of light on my hands during her treatment.
We are on a very special combo for our livers, as it gets VERY stressed. I feel the liver gets more stressed than while we were on herbs like Buhner's + Chinese herbs.
We are certainly herxing, but it's VERY different from herbs as the timing is different (about 2x day we need bigger amount of cleansers, then in between, we're on several homeopathics and teas). And the stronger stress on the liver is also new. I guess the herbs help us with cleansing the liver, and because we are taking none, we need other help.
I am having very good results with: Heel products and Pekana products, all homeopathic. So does my daughter.
Yesterday, I needed though Nogier on my liver too. First time I used Nogier siince I started with nosodes+photon. It was wonderful, about 2-3 minutes, and I really felt the stress in my liver was lifted. I still got bits of pain after, but it was better and I could sleep well. No more pain in the morning. It was first time I felt the photons inside my liver druing the photon application. Normally, I feel nothing with Nogier (except for articulations).
BIOFILMS: not only lyme but loads of other critters do biofilms. I was reading that candida parapsilosis is the champion of producing biofilms. There are loads of other critters that do that. Specially parasites, GI parasites for example. But we get on and off infections ANYWAY, with or without biofilms.
I take Rechtsregulat daily, so does my daughter. I don't know if it is a warranty for getting the biofilms though.
I am not testing for candida parapsilosis nosodes for quite a while, after having treated it with Sanum. Like with borrelia though, I will never know if it will come back one day. So the infection is dormant for me.
I don't care much if I have it inside me yet, due to biofilms or whatever. When you know about spores, how these fungi reproduces, how the spores get to the tiniest of holes and then can 'wake' up later, I don't think most of these critters need loads of help of biofilms to survive.
Have you ever tried to get rid of fungi in the lense of a camera ? Once they are there, you can use all products you want, the fungi will come back if there's the tiniest hole for spores to hide. The tiniest hole in the plastic (microscopic) can have spores inside that will wake up once you stop using products to kill them.
Imagine your flesh, organs, everything inside you. Even if you could clean them as we cleaned the lenses (with all toxic products that kill and ZERO biofilm!!), there's no chance to eliminate all spores.
In conclusion, I wouldn't worry MUCH about biofilms. Your intestine shall have millions of little holes for borrelia to hide. And for spores of types of fungi/ candida to hide. It's our immune system that has to be well, so that these critters don't take hold of us. In my opinion.
If I had to do it all again? I would have bought this PE1 before and did experiments with it. I would have saved lots of money in herbs, that's for sure.
Now that the mycobacterium tuberculosis is under control, I feel I can go for the AI, thanks to Gigi's suggestions. I'll first try to make my borrelia dormant again though, and my daughter's, so that we can go on.
I'm finding more people offering treatment with the Bionic for borrelia, just googling. Of course, just in Germany...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Sparkle, if you want to save money with homeopathics, you just get them ONCE, and they will last almost forever.
You will probably have one potency up, so in general, one bottle will make 10 bottles, if you see what I mean. That's how they are done. One D1 10ml bottle can make then 10 10ml D2 bottles, and so on, it's exponential. You don't need any machine for that, you can do manually.
You just google how to make your own homeopathics.
In my experience here (and the opinion of my homeopath), you can even add more water to make the next potency, it doesn't matter much. Just see the difference in the amount of water added in between the D and C dilutions! There's a BIG spectrum in between, if you see what I mean...
Of course, for very high potencies, it's better to be more mathematical, but for potencies lower than D30, I wouldn't mind with clockwork precision (unless you want to sell these products, because they are given under prescription and need precision).
For home use, I've been making my own homeopathics for quite some time now.
--- NOte: sparkle, your pm is full. I wanted to send you some info but couldn't
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks, Selma. I'll clear my box.
Bejoy suggested using the remedy sets that some companies make for testing as opposed to consumption.
I'm just using the things recommended from the Asyra reading. So, I haven't had to buy a bunch of things just yet.
Please contact me if you need info about the Asyra reading & consultation. I'll send you the info. (I don't make money from this.)
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Selma.. the photon awakens the lyme from dormancy if dormant... ??? Or the cells awaken to push it out? You are dormant and test neg for any kind of txt, are exposed to the photons and BAM. Its out.. however it got out. Then the photons treat it by activating the cells and immunity and the nosodes by directing that.
When it is just photon light esp if when NOT nogiers which have their own message, the photons could awaken the cell and the lyme and there not be enough umph in the immune system to take care of it.. the nosodes direct like a targeted bomb.
When using nogiers it seems nosodes dont hurt and they seem to help as well.
I am curious why the PE1 works with no frequency and non pulsed and the bionic with frequency 11.77 and I think pulsed. Nogiers also seem to work with the nosodes.. but seemingly not as fast. What is the significant difference with the bionic and the PE1 in terms of efficiency? Is that one pulsed frequency 11.77... all the difference?
I think the man who makes the PE can change the frequencies some if that is a matter of difference.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
How much as well? It identifies allergies to metals as well? Can it identify problems with detox pathways? Thank you, Sparkle.
quote:Originally posted by UnexpectedIlls: Where can you get tested with the Asrya???
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Selma, it sounds like you are clearing lyme in a sense.. Are you thinking to also purchase the bionic or do you feel good enough with the PE-1?
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Genetic tests are wonderful and costly. But - Amy Yasko? An answer that no one understands and no solution. Then what?
I am much more excited about doing AI DNA testing which also gives me a remedy to solve the problems once and for all. Wish we had this available or known about it a lot earlier. Would have saved us a lot of heartache.
Take care.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Sparkle, sorry, I thought they were to ingest. So desbio makes the testing ampulees too? Great.
Would they have all tick born pathogens in D5-d6 potencies or lower? Does anyone know? IN SEPARATE vials? And how much would they cost, i wonder.
I couldn't find most tick born infection vials here...
-- Robin, Nogiers or not, Bionic or not, I am just guessing that photons can make borrelia infections revive from dormancy. The reason, I don't know. Bob has suggested that theory of our cells pushing pathogens out, it could be, who knows.
There's NO WAY to compare PE1 or Lightworks or any other technology to the Bionic. Too new, little use. If you'd like to go the surest way, go for the Bionic. The rest is just experimental.
The technology PE1 and Bionic aren't the same either. The only thing in common, is that both use infrared on the spectrum 880nm. And possibly, that the light is pulsed, but with the Bionic, one can choose settings for pulsing, with the PE1, one can't choose (either Nogier or no pulsing).
So I'm not sure that making the PE1 pulsing at the frequencies that the lyme users of Bionic employ will create the same effect.
Besides, the PE1 has other LEDs going in different wavelengths than 880nm... I'm pretty sure that the maker of the PE1 could do a special machine with those frequencies used by Bionic users, but there will be always the question: will that work?
it's only a matter of trial and error. Only time will tell.
If you're in a hurry, go through the known way, the Bionic.
As I said, I have an appointment to get checked by dr. W. in March-April, and it's no big deal to get there (2 hours away from home). I can't buy the Bionic, too expensive for the moment. So I bought the PE1 and am EXPERIMENTING with it. That's all.
The short cut is the Bionic, in my opinion. There are other practioners using it against borreliosis here in Germany, and they seem to have good results too.
I talked to one practioner and she said it's not a 100% warranty that in 2-3 weeks you are rid of borrelia, but there's a big chance to get it under control, even for bad cases of lyme that involve heart problems, etc. She told me that by phone.
My lyme doctor in Switzerland heard about the Bionic now (last year, even dr. K. knew nothing). I think the word is spreading.
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Selma and Sparkle, sorry if I'm confused, but can you explain to me how to get clear glass vials of nosodes from Desbio?
I want to use the light and the nosodes at home. If Lightworks isn't strong enough (knowing me could be TOO strong!) I will try to get someone here to buy a bionic or a pe-1. I know of a few woo woo practitioners . I don't think right now I can afford it myself as I had a HUGE!!!!! expense on my home chamber.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Great O2! Maybe you could borrow a PE1 or buy it in conjunction with a few lyme sufferers from your area? We don't need daily treatment and it takes less than 5 minutes for each person.
the danger is always on detoxing.
As I told before, it takes more time to take the clothes off, muscle test to see which potency, time on each point, see if you need extra points than the ones dr. W. uses (you will probably need extra points, if I follow what I have been seeing with me and daughter), than to do the treatment itself.
I read in the other thread that the bottles are darker (from Desbio). Like the Sanum bottles. They preserve better against light exposure. But for the treatment, darker bottles don't work.
I suppose any pharmacy can get the clear vials for you. You say you need the 1ml or 2 grams vials in clear glass, I'm sure they will find for you (quite unexpensive).
Someone also suggested to ask Desbio to pour the nosodes into clear vials themselves, why not?
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
That's a good idea, Selma. Knowing me, Lightworks will be plenty strong in the beginning ....
I sent you a little skype "hello"--message.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Selma,
I have discovered that if I treat myself with a nosode and light, I had better do the full treatment on myself right after.
It seems as though when I treat someone else, it acts as though I am exposed to the pathogen, but the amount of light I get is not right for supporting my immune system fight it. Then I just get flattened.
I have begun to work up the other person's protocol for seconds and locations, and hand it to the other person on a card to do alone, and then leave the room.
I can't do this with my children though, so I have to be sure that my body can handle the treatment that my child needs, then treat my child and then myself. We seem to have a major family mucor race problem here.
To those who want to know about nosodes in clear vials:
Deseret Biologicals has a test kit that costs about $300. In it there are only clear vials. Included are a Borrelia homochord, and a Bartonella homochord, and LYM which contains the homochord, and some other lyme treatments. You might be able to order these test vials individually, but I don't know.
DB sells the homochords in a brown bottle. I don't remember what they cost. About $12.? You can also get the series remedies in drop form in a brown bottle with ten individual potencies for about $55.
I have bought clear vials from specialtybottle.com and transferred liquid into those from the brown dropper bottles. I have treated with brown bottles, but it is not nearly as good as with the clear.
I'm sure there are many companies that sell empty clear vials.
Ergopathics sells only testers, not treatment drops. These testers are not meant for treatment. They are made by computer. They have a set of about 30 different lyme and coinfection tester vials.
I have used some of these testers and potentised by machine to different strengths. They have been effective when taped to the solar plexus and used with light.
Selma, can you explain the Borrelia antibodies? I don't have access to that, and have not heard of treating for antibodies. There is so much about immunity that I still don't understand!
Selma and Bob, an others, do you think that biofilms are the same thing as polysccharides? They sound like the same thing to me.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
You would have to ask Deseret Bio about any custom creations. I don't know if they have separate ampules of the different dilutions or varieties of Lyme. It seems they could probably make something custom if you asked them.
I think their Lyme set has a variety of Lyme & co-infection pathogens combined. They separate the vials by dilution - I think, if I recall correctly.
I'm not doing the Lyme set at this time. I just got the Mycoplasma set, so far.
I'm going to start it soon. I'm going through a big detox from using the InnoVita products without anything else. I have to see if I'm ready to proceed with the Mycoplasmas & the LightWorks.
I've been thinking that when people say "herx" it's too vague. I seem to be going through a big herx just from using the InnoVita products without anything else. They aren't necessarily for killing pathogens - they are for detox!
I had to cut back the dosages quite a bit due to the toxins being released. I'm not sure I'm ready for the Myco + infrared light. I'm going to consult with Ms. Pendulum...
PS - I just got my bobber from Vernon (thanks O2!). I have to practice with it a bit before I can get it up to speed.
I realized one of the first things you may need to do is to ask it to indicate yes & no. I just sit with it & ask "indicate yes" & "indicate no"... Try different body positions until you start to feel it go through to the bobber.
This is just my personal way to do it... I try to make it easy & not get too caught up in all the technical stuff. The refinements are excellent but you have to walk before you can run.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
PPS - By "it" (going through to the bobber) - I mean a kind of energy. To me it feels like you made a connection - like a circuit being completed.
I try to put everything out of my mind except the question & the void (the great spirit, god, however you like to perceive the infinite or unknown).
I try to just focus on that & feeling the energy going through my hands into the device (pendulum, bobber, etc.).
Hope this helps.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Desbio has lyme 10m 1-10 and then 1m 1-10.. I dont know what that means.
I can't find the testing kits.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Are there basic meridians that do not go as indepth as on an acupuncture chart?
Or do you all check them all with the tensor or muscle testing?
If there is a meridians for dummies chart out there.. or list somewhere.. will you let me know?
Thank you all once more.. Robin
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
I thought you had to order DB products through a practitioner? That's what I had to do when I got their borrelia series a year ago.
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
I don't really want something that has ten different potencies in one vial. Is that how desbio works? Please let me know. That seems counterintuitive to me and I might undertreat or overtreat. I want each vial to have a specific potency.
What does anyone else think?
Thanks...
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Hi, everyone - long time no see. I've been off here for.... what.... 8 months? I've missed you guys! I've tried to catch up on all the Bionic 880 and other light treatment threads and blogs, and I'm really astounded by what all of you have accomplished and learned. Not to mention the amazing changes that take place as evidenced by your energetic testing results from various light therapies.
My theories keep evolving as to what is happening using light + nosodes ..... there about 9 different `traditional' ways to use homeopathic nosodes, but the addition of light adds an unexpected dimension. Perhaps more about that at a later time.....
Anyway, hope you don't mind me popping in with a few questions, to start:
Why use electrolytes instead of alcohol with nosode materials? (This amounts to an added `substance' to the nosode that has not been quantified in any way, so I'm curious as to where this practice comes from and why it is preferred over ethanol/liquor.)
Regarding the use of clear vials - won't the nosodes/remedies be destroyed eventually by the light? (Natural sunlight will neutralize/nullify remedies. This is one reason why it is challenging to use on crops and plants as sunlight destroys the remedies almost immediately.)
And along the same lines, was the question ever answered whether or not the nosodes (commercial) used in treatment or testing have to be replaced periodically because of the repeated exposure to light/energy?
Regarding the `ingestible' nosodes (not the test vials) people are using from DB or the ones from Germany, and including the Sanum remedies, are these usually purchased as liquid remedies? Or do they come as pellets or granules and you make them into liquid yourselves?
Sorry if I've missed answers to these questions elsewhere.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Hey Tracy, you were THE missing link here!!!! I missed you. I thought you finally went to remission and didn't tell us all!!
where can I find the 9 traditional ways to use nosodes??
electrolyte story comes from dr. K. That's what he says he does to preserve home made homeopathics. I started with alcohol, but as I was ingesting a lot of it during my Sanum period and so was my daughter, I prefered to shift to electrolytes.
Besides, if you want to rub in the eyes and other open wounds, the electrolyte solution is MUUUCH milder. I was suffering for months with open wounds due to Mycobacterium tuberculosis. So I added electrolytes when I rediluted the Sanum, or the pain was unbeearable (as I was preserving my Sanum with 30% alcohol added)...
Sanum USUALLY comes with nothing added when you buy them, no electrolyte, no alcohol for that purpose. But you have to have loads of money to be buying Sanum every 2 months, or the products (water) spoils. I was bathing on Sanum, so no way to do that.
I had to produce my own homeopathics thanks to your lessons before!!
Clear vials are usually test vials. To be used for energetic tests, not for ingestion. There are loads of energetic tests that can be done, and many use the help of light, therefore the clear vials. As far as I know, ALL TESTING vials I've seen so far with my practioners are made of transparent clear glass here in Germany /Switzerland.
All Sanum for ingestion come on DARKER bottles for purpose of preservation. But they last about 2 months as I said before. Unless one adds alcohol or electrolytes.
The clear test vials are always kept in dark places, so in closed boxes. After use, I pack mine back fast.
The question about changing nosodes after a while is pertinent. I don't think one could use the same nosodes to everyone. The discussion was done in the Bionic thread before. Better one person using one nosode, or in the worst cases, the whole family on one set of nosodes. But not sharing with other people. Dr. W. makes each patient buys his/her own set.
Sanum nosodes come in liquid form. My borrelia nosodes came in granules.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Bejoy, are you sure you don't have tuberculosis?? Go and get fast either Bovisan from Sanum (not sure it's sold there), or the DB series for TB.
It is SOUNDING for me like TB. My feeling is that it is TB. It is A DANGEROUS infection, it can kill 50% when it gets active. It almost KILLED me this Xmas, and I had it in my joints (fingers and toes and skin). It is not so common in small joints but in bigger joints, but I felt it was starting to take my hips.
I took Amoxy (it was not enough though) + bovisan (nosodes from Myc tub bovis) and treated with Polysans (antibodies of Myc bovis) AND it was still NOT ENOUGH. I also added San Myc for L-forms, and it was not enough, so strong the infection was. If it is TB, this stuff is STRONG.
The treatment is a combo of antibiotics given during 6 MONTHS, if you go the traditional way.
You need a very harsh diet, as nothing tests as good as they all feed the TB.
What saved me was the KMT. I did more than 6 hours a day. At that time, I still didn't have my photon machine.
Low grade fever, articulation pain (can have or not), loss of weight, fever on the skin that is infected, these are some symptoms I just read (I had all).
If untreated, it can kill. I didn't know it, I just read about it later. I just felt it was killing me.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Hi Truthfinder! I was thinking about you the other day!
I just tried the lightworks with the homeopathic remedy yesterday for the first time. Very interesting experience! I'll post some notes about my findings soon...
O2- the DesBio remedies come in the same dilution but they may mix the remedies in one vial. I'm using mycoplasma so it has a bunch of different mycoplasma sub-species/varieties (I forget what they are called) all at the same dilution.
You may have to check on the particular remedy you are getting. I'm sure they either have them in single dilutions or they can probably make it for you. You'd have to ask.
They have an extensive catalog plus a software thing-y that lists all of the remedies & ingredients, usages, etc. You have to open it with your browser from their website.
I guess I feel more connected with them since they are an American company - I feel they make the remedies with American (local) pathogens. This is where I became ill - so, it makes more sense to me to use their remedies.
I'm not xenophobic - it just seems to make sense to me to use American products. I would consider using the other European products for drainage, etc.
If you are in EU - it might be better to use the preparations from their pathogens by local companies...? I'm not sure if this is an issue but it just seemed right to me.
Re: light destroying the remedy - I don't know since it is just being exposed to infrared light for a short time. It's not the full spectrum. It might be a consideration...?
They probably don't last forever in any case.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Sparkle, it is impossible to know when we are only detoxing or when we are herxing. Products to detox cause very similar reaction than killers.
For me, the worst detoxing experience was with heavy metals. Chelation flattened me many times. I had the scariest experiences with chelation, not with lyme die off.
You are not alone. Get the right detoxifier, you'll go flat on the floor. One time I couldn't even walk anymore, so much in pain I got all over. "Only" detoxing heavy metals.....
You can get faster heart beats, high blood pressure, air hunger, chest pressure, loads of headaches, kidney pains, liver pains, your digestion gets blocked, intestine goes crazy, extreme fatigue, etc etc.
Herx or detox, they are the same 'in symptoms'.
--
Robin, the points to get treated by dr. W have been discussed a few times before. I posted the ones I usually use here (or was it in the recent LW discussion thread)?
the M in homeopathics means 1/1000 dilution. VERY VERY diluted. I don't think photons react with M dilutions, but who knows.
Everyone is using X dilutions (called D in Europe) with photons. Just 1/10 dilutions.
I use loads of M dilutions for INGESTION. They are amazing, but so far, I haven't used M with light. Nor even C. Only X.
--
O2, I wonder if the ONE VIAL = MANY POTENCIES work with light too... I've done one vial like that for my daughter, but I am thinking to separate one by one... Just testing...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I felt today in the morning my right knee was a bit painful during certain movements. I said, oh oh... looks like borrelia getting there, I know the pain.
It tested borrelia. I went to my borrelia nosodes and they all tested for treatment today, all the 10. So that's what I did at about 13.00hs.
You guys will never believe me, but the pain is gone. Zero, really. I can do all movements. It seems hard to believe.
I also did Nogier after dr. W. protocol, so I can't say if it was because of nosodes or because of Nogier (for about 2 minutes). It is not my imagination. I know the knee pain by heart. That is how I discovered I had lyme disease, so it was my first lyme symptom after the EM rash was gone.
I start to see that in fact, the treatment with photons + nosode DO look like other treatments:
You 'take' the killer, you herx, you clean, you improve (symptoms fade or diminish), then when the time goes on, you need a new intake of killers. When we get closer to the time we need killers again (no matter which, abx, herbs, nosodes), a few symptoms can be felt stronger. We take the killer then, the symptoms go down, herx, etc...
...in the non-stop ballet that lasts a long time, months or even years... That was for me how herbs and nosodes (ingested) worked.
With photons + nosodes, it's very similar. The only thing that is different is the lapse of time in between treatments, that is measured in DAYS not in HOURS like for abx, ingestable nosodes, herbs or microcurrent (KMT).
What is also different in consequence, is the way we herx. It LOOKS milder, herxes come slower up than with herbs or ingestable nosodes, and they happen for me and daughter about 2x day only, first one comes hours after treatment (while with abx / herbs / ingestable nosodes / kmt, it can come very fast after ingestion or treatment).
With herbs, the need of cleansers came much more often, it could be about 6 or even 8 times a day when my body was urging to detox, specially when fighting acute phase of lyme and coinfections.
With light, so far, we are on a combo of cleasers 2 times / day only (one first thing AM, the other, about 17-20hs). Chlorella, bear garlic, fish oil, cardamon, liver herbs, rechtsregulat, mild thistle etc...
In between, we treat with homeopathic cleansers.
I said herxes LOOK milder, but in fact, I don't know exactly, as we are both needing MUCH more liver detox PRODUCTS than before. Before, I could survive with only milk thistle for ages and chlorella. Now I need about 4-5 different products to keep my liver 'not testing' according to ART.
That is why I can't compare the herxes I had with herbs / ingestable nosodes with these light+nosode herxes. Somehow I feel herxing less (because I'm in no way desperate taking my cleansers many times a day), but I feel I get more in trouble to detox my liver. I even had to use Nogier for getting relief.
Same for my daughter, she is testing for so many liver products...
Just making an update here.
Antoher thing, before I forget, is to AVOID using photons in the evening. I don't know if you all agree, the photons can keep you awake for longer. Even if you feel relaxed after treatment, the number of hours one sleeps decreases.
I see that in my daughter and myself.
I also treated the joints of someone with insomnia, her insomnia got worse (coincidence or not, I don't know).
I feel the best time for photon treatment is morning.
Still another observation: the EMRs and photons don't go together. The day I do photons, I feel I'm much more sensible for EMRs from my computer.
Dr.W. says that exposure to EMRs can make the treatment less effective, I think he must be right...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
As for the local pathogens in the nosodes, I guess Sparkle is right...
I talked to a person in Meripharm, the guy told me that they added the Borrelia Antibodies series a bit for this reason. He said that the source of their nosodes for borrelia are old (from the 80s or so, I can't remember now...).
During the years, borrelia changed here. There was a demand then to produce new nosodes with recent antibodies, that is how they came to do the new series of borrelia antibodies. This source from Meripharm is new.
I have bought the Stauphen pharma borrelia series, not meripharm as they didn't have the whole 10 dilutions. I don't know how old their source is.
As for the DB, one could simply ask them??
Sanum also uses a few antibodies from common pathogens, they say it's not for treatment, only for tests as they coagulate the blood sample if you are positive to these antibodies.
I used them for treatment, only rubbing on skin. Strong reaction, almost always. Same with borrelia antibodies, I didn't treat myself, only my daughter but had to lay flat for hours that day. Deep reaction in the articulations...
I heard other people having similar reactions when treating antibodies, not from borrelia though.
Posted by AndrewInCA (Member # 2010) on :
Bob - I don't believe Maureen was talking about crossing her legs, she was talking about putting the right foot slightly forward of the left foot when standing, as detailed in the Biotensor (from Bioplasma) instruction manual.
Maureen - I have tried it with my feet parallel, and with my right foot slightly forward and both seem to work. You should try it out and see what works best for you.
Also, although people talk about standard movements of the tensor for yes (up/down) and no (left/right), different people can have different movements to indicate yes and no. This can be especially true for pendulums.
Asking the Biotensor to show you "your" yes and no movements should be one of the first steps with it. And don't give up - it takes practice. (I'm learning too)
Posted by maureen2174 (Member # 11471) on :
Yes, AndrewInCA- that is exactly what i meant- right foot slightly in front of left foot while standing.
Thanks, for clarifying that.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I have come to the idea that there are 2 modes for using the infrared light...
1. I call energetic - for "ingesting" homeopathic remedies 2. I call physical - for healing the body from pain, muscle aches, wounds, hormone imbalances, etc.
I use the LightWorks at night. Some people like to use it in the dark... I have been able to sleep after using it for pain when I couldn't sleep.
I guess it depends... my first experience with nosodes is that it gave me a boost of energy after. So, maybe treat pain at night & do the nosodes in the day. I have had more experience in using it without the nosodes.
I started off with mycoplasmas (set) from DesBio. No Lyme at this point... Strong stuff! Feeling kind of rough today! It's pretty amazing.
My Asyra reading said weak lungs. I didn't feel my lungs were weak, I don't have allergies or athsma (spelling?)... All the sudden, there it was in my lungs.
Feeling like I have the flu but I don't - it's the mycoplasmas. There are a bunch of strains in the mix. I guess I'll be going through this for a while.
I need to detox, I'm drinking lots of water but the pendulum says no detox supplements, yet. Maybe tomorrow...?
I'm off to rest. This experimenting is not for everyone. I wouldn't advise people who may be afraid to do this. The mycoplasma set is the read deal...
It's not like "take an aspirin & call me in the morning..." It's strong stuff. I'm willing to do it to get well.
PS - I agree Selma, it's hard to tell a detox from a herx... I don't even know if I'm fighting Lyme at this point. I'm mainly focused on the mycoplasmas.
I didn't even know it was an issue. It's good to get some kind of energetic test done to know what to deal with - either Biocom or Asyra or any other method. I would have never known...
I had 2 standard tests for mycoplasmas & they were both negative. I think there's more out there than the standard tests can cover!
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Borrelia has 6X,6X,8X,10X, 12X, 15X, 30X, 60X, 100X, 200X.. so yes all in one bottle for the X formulas. I dont see an option for that unless they can make sep as suggested, and I am assuming it would be much more expensive. If you place the bottles all across the solar plexus, does it matter if all in one tube or not?
I can call and ask how old the pathogen and if they would make separate bottles for each X, which I assume is strength. Slow at the learning curve here.. and Selma.. thank you.. I thought you all were talking about hitting more than Dr W or was mentioned previously.
quote:Originally posted by oxygenbabe: I don't really want something that has ten different potencies in one vial. Is that how desbio works? Please let me know. That seems counterintuitive to me and I might undertreat or overtreat. I want each vial to have a specific potency.
What does anyone else think?
Thanks...
[ 02-09-2009, 01:48 AM: Message edited by: R62 ]
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
If there are so many forms of Bb, then how do we know we are getting the right one(s) with the homeopathy or does that matter?
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
there are some companies that can do custom mixes of all borrelia species they have in stock. you just have to contact them and talk to them yourself about this, but they are usually pretty accomodating.
this would of course be for the purpose of seeing you've cleared all borrelia, not necessarily to treat, although treating directly with a "mix" vial may be helpful at later stages when you've cleared the heavy hitters
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Hi, Sparkle - you've been busy!
Oh, Selma, you crack me up. I've been called a lot of things but never The Missing Link, lol! I love it! It seems so appropriate (I'm sure my friends would agree) on many levels!
Thanks to those who gave some feedback on my questions.
Re light degrading the remedies/nosodes: I know that if kept away from heat, light, EMFs, `dry' homeopathic remedies should last at least 200 years (they've tested the remedies in Hahnemann's medicine kit and the remedies still work.) As Sparkle suggested, I'm not sure the light spectrum from these machines does any harm to the remedies. But if you started out with dry granules or pellets, you could easily make up new treatment vials without incurring additional cost.
Maybe this is a question to ask for those of you who use energetic testing - `are these treatment vials still potent for me?' or something like that.
Re obtaining `local' nosodes or finding newer/different strains: I'm not sure this is very important, just based on what I've read recently at a vet-hom group I just joined (veterinary homeopath). And this has been confirmed at another homeopathic Yahoo group. A number of these people have been using nosodes as `preventatives' (or sometimes treatment) with animals for years, and it seems the OLDER nosodes actually work better. Basically, the more dissimilar nosodes - those made in the past from previous outbreaks - were actually MORE effective than the newer nosodes that were more similar to the current organisms. This was confirmed by a lady who had special nosodes made to `vaccinate' her purebred cats back in 1996, and that 1996 nosode is more effective than newer versions of the same nosode. Fascinating.
Remember: When it comes to homeopathy, `similar' is BETTER than `same'. (Yes, I know this makes no sense, but that's how it works.) Now, if you factor in the Bionic 880 and light machines, then perhaps it DOES make a difference. This is new territory.
HOWEVER! What may be a more significant issue is one regarding the SYMPTOMS that any disease organism tends to cause. When it comes to Lyme, we know that certain strains tend to cause more arthritic-type symptoms; others tend to cause more neurological-type symptoms, etc. So, in that sense, if there was an option as to which `strain' you used as treatment, it might be wise to choose the one that more closely matched your Lyme symptoms, and not necessarily the strain that was prevalent in your area or country. (That may be why Dr. W. uses the B. afazi nosode, as well?)
Selma, I'll answer your question about the traditional uses of nosodes in a bit..... I'm running out of time this morning.
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bejoy: [QB] Selma,
DB sells the homochords in a brown bottle. I don't remember what they cost. About $12.? You can also get the series remedies in drop form in a brown bottle with ten individual potencies for about $55.
I have bought clear vials from specialtybottle.com and transferred liquid into those from the brown dropper bottles. I have treated with brown bottles, but it is not nearly as good as with the clear.
I'm sure there are many companies that sell empty clear vials.
Hi Bejoy, I have ordered the DB series for Bart and the other one that covers ehrlichia too and need to order some clear vials so was thinking of getting some from specialitybottle.com Can you tell me which ones you used and if it was easy to transfer the substance from vial to vial?
Ten individual potencies for $55 sounds good, then transfer into clear vials. Thanks--everybody. If there is more info about these details please post.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Re NOSODES and their traditional uses:
In previous posts, Selma said:
``You can ingest whole botlles of borrelia nosodes for months, or years, I don't think they cure chronic cases....''
and
``..... As I said before, I don't believe ingesting borrelia nosodes cures anyone with chronic lyme.''
You are absolutely right-on-target, Selma!
As Constantine Hering found out during his lifetime work with nosodes and other potentially-harmful substances (mostly between 1827 and 1833), patients are rarely cured of any chronic disease solely from the use of nosodes. The nosodes are only curative by themselves when they are administered by the totality of the symptoms, i.e., in those people who exhibit the same mental and physical symptoms as those that came out in `provings' of the nosode. Then the nosode is the `constitutional simillimum' or constitutional remedy - one that fits the `total' person.
In 1836 Hering stated that HE NEVER SUCCEEDED IN CURING BUT ONLY AMELIORATING [chronic] DISEASES with their own morbid products [NOSODES].
This statement was made after 7 years of rigorous clinical trials. What he found was that:
IF DISEASE-PRODUCING PRODUCTS ARE ADMINISTERED BY IDEM [`the same' substance or as an isode, i.e. using the Bb nosode for Lyme Disease], THEY ARE ONLY USEFUL AS INTERCURRENT REMEDIES, which help to remove obstacles to cure and move the case forward. The actions of THESE NOSODES MUST BE COMPLEMENTED BY CONSTITUTIONAL REMEDIES IF A COMPLETE CURE IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE. Without constitutional treatment it is impossible to perform the perfect cure.
Here's my brief, heavily-paraphrased synopsis of traditional ways to use nosodes. Bear in mind that this includes the use of nosodes that ARE NOT necessarily isopathic - or made from the same substance as the `disease' the person has. So, nosodes can be used:
1. As a CONSTITUTIONAL REMEDY;
2. When WELL CHOSEN REMEDIES DO NOT ACT, HOLD, OR JUST CHANGE THE SYMPTOMS;
3. When there is a LACK OF SYMPTOMS (where there is nothing characteristic, unusual or peculiar about the case);
4. When a person has not recovered from an infection.....this state is called "THE NEVER WELL SINCE SYNDROME" (NWS);
5. When only PARTIAL PICTURES OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL REMEDIES MANIFEST YET NO ONE REMEDY COMPLETELY FITS THE CASE;
6. When there is AN OBSTRUCTION OF THE PROGRESS OF A CONSTITUTIONAL REMEDY that was improving the patient then stops working;
7. When the remedy is RELATED TO THE DISEASE GENUS (as in epidemics, vaccine damage, allergies, organ damage, etc.)
8. For use as HOMEOPATHIC PROPHYLAXIS (to prevent specific infectious diseases);
9. The ninth way of using a nosode is as a homoeopathic remedy made from the patient's own disease substances. This is called the AUTO-NOSODE. This method has sometimes helped patients when nothing else seems to work.
So, the bottom line for me - at this point in time - is that if I ever seek treatment with the Bionic 880, or if I ever used a light device with nosodes, I would either follow-up my treatment with my constitutional remedy, or use my constitutional remedy as a `complementary' remedy along with light treatment. Maybe it isn't necessary, but I'd want to give myself every chance for complete success.
Gotta run.....
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Tracy, thanks A LOT. I told you were the missing link here!!!!!
The theory looks very complicated... as always in homeopathy...
Just to add then, ingesting nosodes with my constitutional remedy also didn't work for me. I guess there was a problem of distinguishing which was my constitutional remedy too. My classical homeopath suspects I changed from Nux vomica to something else since I caught lyme (I forgot which one was it...).
As for your insight, older pathogens the better, it was stated by Gigi somewhere. That is why dr. W. adds garini (or was it afzeli?) or both, that are older forms of borrelia...
Another thing to add: I don't think that all homeopathics have the effect that nosodes have with photons. At least, other homeopathics were not boosted with photons in my energetic tests. Specially if combinations of homeopathics, they don't test very good. Better to use only ingested.
I start to get convinced that the use of photons is a big BOOST to the nosodes, in the way they are usually taken. But somehow, it is possible to use multiple nosodes at once (I mean, one bactery, many dilutions). Different to most approaches of the use of ingestable nosodes (one potency, or a few potency at a time, but not 10 potencies all together)... At least, that was how I used ingestable nosodes before (one dilution at a time).
We both are standing the use of multiple dilutions at once, me and daughter, with the PE1. Today I used on myself the 5 or 6 vials of borrelia antibodies. I feel something going on, but the reaction is muuuch milder than when I received the same treatment accidentaly, while treating my daughter.
I feel something going on in my articulations, as always...
Daughter used her autonosodes on a few dilutions today (I now separated on individual vials, I did a D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, D6, D8, D10, D12, D15, D30 and D60). She tests from potency D12 and higher but not the lowest ones, but for borrelia, she's testing for D6, then all others above D15 or so. We did all at once in the AM. She looks a bit more tired than usual now.
-- Sparkle, you mean it with lungs! Two points for me were very important to detox, one were ARTICULATIONS all over the body, including spine. Another were lungs. Somehow these two 'points' harbored toxins deep inside, beyond symptoms. How can I explain...
many people in LN herx in the lungs. And it is NOT ONLY babesia. If you keep reading the posts during the years, you'll see that sort of lung herxes. Many of us have much more in the lungs than we can imagine.
I got awful air hunger crises with babesia, but when babesia was gone, I still 'herxed' in the lungs. The naturopath naturally found heavy metals there, tried to clean them there, and I consistently found my lungs being treated on and off while treating other pathogens, exactly like you describe.
I also had some surprises with Sanum and Polysans, for example, and all the pneumonia and tuberculosis pathogens and antibodies.
I, like you, never suffered from asthma, never had bronchitis, and rarely caught colds, rarely have coughs, never smoke, etc. So why my lungs?
The lung for me is one organ of excretion (? does it exist) that is overseen, I feel.
My cat had (and have sometimes?) chronic coughs from mycoplasma since I know him. All other tick born pathogens don't affect him, but the only one that causes him symptoms / disease, is mycoplasma... He's also on a Polysan now!
Wishing you good luck with treatment! --- I just want to add that i am having a fever of music later again. Can't stop playing my instruments and singing. Gosh, my voice is awful, so long without training.
IF this is a phase, I don't know. I am just profiting!
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I called. Definitely has ten vials EACH is only one potency. Ten vials and 10 separate potencies.:-) Yay!
quote:Originally posted by oxygenbabe: Ten individual potencies for $55 sounds good, then transfer into clear vials. Thanks--everybody. If there is more info about these details please post.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Brussels, DB makes the series remedies in 10 vials of 200x though 5x. Do you think we should ask them to make additional potencies?
Since this product got popular on lymenet, now they are advertising more and doing trainings on it, so more naturopaths, etc. will have access. Yay!
If we ask them to make something else stronger or better as a follow up, I think they will do it.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Tracy -- Its wonderful to see you posting again, welcome back!
I've been reading this thread with great fascination, specifically on homeopathy. I now have a little better understanding of it, thanks to all who have written. And although had based on my practioner, I'm not doing to much in the way of homeopathy just now. It is on plans in the near future. I want to concentrate on just the healing side of it when I start (don't think I have too many pathogens left).
I read the article Tracy posted and need another read through it. Lots of great information!
I have the feeling, LED light like homeopathy opens the path but may not be a complete cure itself. It is the constitutional side that also needs to be better understood, because it is necessary for the complete cure (would ozonating the blood be a constitutional remedy?). I guess you need a great one - two punch for a cure.
There is one aspect to LEDs that is curative and I guess the same can be said of homeopathy, when pathogens or toxins are no longer the issue. All of this is very much on the bio-quantum side. Those looking for double-blind studies for proof at the quantum level -- well, don't hold your breath!
By the way, I intend to have more of understanding of all of this. So, I ordered some clear vials thanks to Sparkle's link.
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Yay--10 vials... Bejoy --great idea--higher potencies.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
As for higher dilutions than 200D, I don't know if they react WELL with photons. Ingested, I guess yes.
I also know that there's some variation how nosodes work for different pathogens, both in terms of dilutions or in terms of efficiency...
O2, you can find the vials for chlamydia and rickettsia through Desbio! They're all there, no need for me to send them to you through Europe and X rays... --
Great that Desbio is doing then all in separate vials, it makes the work for users easier... ---
I am though still not convinced we need to separate them in different vials. I still didn't get clear responses through our experiences here with "photonosode" (I just invented this word to write my notes down, it means Photons + nosodes treatment per dr. W.'s accupuncture points).
I used the series of autonosdes mixed from D2 up to D10 and it tested good for my daughter (with photons). I separated them recently in separate vials, but as she's not testing for lower potencies anymore, we didn't get any positive answers so far for the individual dilutions.
But it may mean that the mixed vial worked, I suppose... Because it seems that my daughter is not needing these lower dilutions now anymore, even in separate vials.
Another new thing happening: both me and daughter are testing for higher machine potency (on the 50-60%) with photonosode treatment, and the time is increasing, about 5-7 seconds per accupuncture point, which is HUGE compared to before (about 1 second).
Yesterday I got pain on my left knee back. It was painful the whole day, even after photonosode treatment in the morning. In the evening, I tested my herbs, nothing came as positive. I was even thinking to take the KMT from the box to use there.
Both Buhner's herbs and/or the KMT were always very useful for lyme arthritis, a fast solution for pain, extremely fast relief in the past. They tested negative......
So I decided to do Nogiers in the evening. First time it tested for sooo long (about 4 minutes in the painful knee, and about 2 minutes in the other, that was not painful, but got affected few days ago). That was NOT a fast relief, the pain got a bit smaller but still there, but I could sleep. BUT today in the morning, it was gone. 100% gone.
So now I'm sure of what I'm talking, Nogier (my setting was on C, but it is not the C from Nogier, it's only C from my PE1) does make lyme arthritis better, at least for us here. It has happened now a few times for us so far. It's not immediate relief though. Whether it is curative or not, too early to say. It helps lyme arthritic pains, this seems to be true. ------
Bob, the constitutional remedy... Nosodes WITH constitutional remedy, if ingested, are not warranty of cure from lyme. Or Tracy would be cured, and I would be cured!!!
I find classical homeopathy very useful and I'm greatly thankful for it, but if we only ingest homeopathics, I don't think I ever seen anyone getting cured from chronic lyme. There are cases though in the literature, but I guess the missing point was that the remedies don't get their messages heard in depth, I feel.
I mean, what is happening with these photonosodes, is that the same nosode that one could ingest is now transmitting the message in a way I've never experienced before. The same nosodes I ingested once are now 'working' much better with photons!!
Probably, Tracy is right, that the addition of the constiutional remedies and a whole classical approach would help us healing.
But many other stuff is also correct, that without detox, we won't be well; without dealing with allergies neither... or the psychological side of the disease etc, etc.
I agree with you all on that.
But photonosode IN ITSELF is another mode of killing that, so far, is not comparable to ANYTHING I ever tried before INCLUDING ingested nosodes.
Photonosode is in another league, I feel. No chemical thing (natural, from plants, or chemical, abx) or ingested homeopathics can compare to it in my feeling (it is just feeling for the moment, as we're still experimenting with it).
And what is crazy is that it doesn't mean it is 'STRONG'. It doesn't mean that what we get from photonosode is like ingesting a whole pound of andrographis at once, or getting the whole set of abx at once and getting the killing reaction out of control, toxins out of control, etc. It is NOT comparable to these modes of killing!
The closest I can think of, is of ingesting nosodes to kill. If we INGEST one gallon of nosodes, it doesn't mean we will collapse with the biggest herx ever. It will probably only kill a bit more than usual, that's all. Because nosodes is homeopathy, it's energy, it's not the amount of chemicals that make the difference (chemically, we are ingesting just more water).
I don't think that if I had ingested loads of nosodes I would have collapsed (I never did that though), but certainly greater amount doesn't necessarily mean 'more killing' in homeopathy.
Correct me, Tracy, if I'm wrong.
So when I say these photonosodes belong to another league, it doesn't mean it causes a herx from hell, like our bodies collapsing and that means big healing. Nope. At least, not for us here (my daughter is just 5, and is standing the treatment quite well so far).
These photons help us healing in a way I wouldn't expect.
Before I saw food and herbs as the MOST important healing tools, homeopathy came as second plane as supportive to heal from lyme and all these infections I still have.
Now I start to put herbs and food in the second position. Energy comes first. It's the energy that was THE MOST point missing for me. What I lacked MOST was not chemical.
I see those wonderful products from Heel, Ubichinon + Citrokehl and Coenzyme compositum testing without stop for both me and daughter, day in, day out. We are almost bathing on them since I discovered them.
We keep testing for them about 3-5 times a day. They help cells to have energy, they boost the mitochondria, they help cleansing, help chemical reactions in the cells, etc. We were craving for this type of help, it was not the nutrition that our cells were craving. Not even killers, I think.
All the immunomodulators, immunostimulants, we don't need them now. I guess photons come first.
I'm having clear signs of healing in depth, I can't explain all here, but it is related to having deeper energy, and much more initiative, again the feeling 'no one can stop it from pouring from inside'..
It may not last, but it is here with me. Lots of tears too, and one phrase keeps coming to my brain: "I'm healing". I listen to it on and on, like on a broken disc. I feel there's literally light inside me, NOT at the end of the tunnel!!!
It may not last forever, but for the moment, I'm profiting from the good feeling.
Another thing that is being confirmed to me: that photons open accupuncture points that block meridians in a way that is NOT even comparable to accupuncture with needles!!!
Now it is getting clearer and clearer that once you use either photonosode on these blocked accupuncture points OR Nogier frequencies somewhere in the body or on these accupoints themselves, the points that were blocked for whatever reasons (I believe borrelia is the master to block us), these accupoints get unblocked instantaneously. And the effect lasts long.
Borrelia has to change league too to compete with photons.
I am still sick, if I see the numbers of pathogens that I need to address IF again borrelia gets dormant. I counted today, exactly 50 pathogens from out of 74 test as positive. So about 65% of my box of bacterial pathogens test yes, active NOW. This is a lot. I don't think I got all these BECAUSE of lyme.
I am more and more convinced I fell so sick with lyme so fast first time BECAUSE I have been dealing with chronic multiple infections for decades. When borrelia came, it found a perfect environment, full of pathogens, weak immune system, probably very toxic, etc and I got many too many chronic lyme symptoms (neuro included) about 3-4 months after my first tick bite ever.
My lyme doctor said he has never seen someone falling so sick as I did so fast.
Recently, I visited a medical doctor who is accupuncturist too. He measured my pulse and said my energy is to its lowest. That I can collapse any time and never be able to stand up again. I was feeling great when I saw him (!!?), compared to the time I fell sick with lyme and felt I was going to die!!
I know I'm 'weak', I know that I was going to die if I hadn't treated lyme in 2005, I know that I still have a loong way to go even if my lyme gets dormant again.
But I'm hopeful, and I feel this is so far the best thing that happened to me lately, my photon machine!!
for the bionic users, a question: when you add an extra accupoint for treatment with photons, do you add the point usually at the end of the sequence dr. W. uses? That is how I am doing here...
Another question for antibody users (!): what was your reaction while treating antibodies? Either from borrelia or other pathogens?
Another question for anyone: is there any treatment for L-forms of borrlia (homeopathic), in the way that Sanukehls from Sanum work??
Thanks!
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Hi folks...I was reading some stuff on Edgar Cayce. Dudley Delaney, a retired R.N. and chiropractor who used Cayce methods to treat his M.S.
And then I went onto his web version of his book as to how he treated himself.
I always found Cayce fascinating. He "invented" in his trance readings a radial device (to stimulate electrical flow in the body) and a wet cell device. You "ingested" a substance vibrationally using the device, and the substance in a solution in a jar.
Sound sort of familiar?
I wonder if the photon-nosodes is a kind of modern day version.
One thing nobody here has tried is using it to "ingest" a substance that is needed vibrationally.
Even an abx--nobody has tried that.
Well I want to do some more reading but I wonder, if LED devices had been available in his day, would he have suggested using them?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I forgot to add, that I am testing for Albicansan (candida albicans nosodes now). I ingest them once or twice a day, potency D6. It doesn't test with photons. I guess becuase I need to deal with other more important infections, borrelia AND my own blood pathogens that I treat with photons first.
I am eating sugars without much control. So two 'killers' tested since yesterday: Sanukehl Coli (for E.coli) and Cand albicans.
So I added these killers, but nothing that I treat with photonosodes test to get a help from ingestable killers. Only the extras, that are not treated by photonosode, so far, test good for ingestion.
My daughter and I are doing a double photonosode treatment: one with autonosodes, another with borrelia nosodes + antibodies.
We test on and off for these, in different days.
I know the sample of blood I took from my wounds had Myc. TB bovis. While I continue testing on and off for treatment with my own blood autonosodes, I get a consistent negative answer to treat with the nosodes from myc. bovis I bought.
I get consistent negative answer to ingest Sanum nosodes of Myc. bovis too, even the San. Myc. tests negative (that treats L-forms). Polysans though (that treat antibodies) do test about once every 10 days, only to rub on the body.
So it may mean that the blood sample is not enough to treat antibodies? Too early to say, let's see how these polysans will keep testing in the future.
So the autonosode of blood tests as best alternative than individual nosodes I bought. I test for all dilutions I did by hand, D5, D10, D15, D30 and D60 so far. I still got one finger that's got an open wound in the moment, while in December, I got maybe one or two fingers that were NOT open. All the rest were bleeding.
My toes seem to be free from Myc. bovis though, at least for the last month or so. I think I got a record, first time in almost two decades I didn't need foot baths to control skin infection in WINTER.
Never happened for a long time....
Nogiers are testing for both skin, from hands and feet once every day (if memory is good, I test for program C). I suspect it's Nogiers that is responsible for the healing of my skin infections (or at least, keeping them under control). My whole feet is still peeling, changing its skin to new, softer ones. I feel like a snake...
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Off the subject for a moment... Don't forget about Bee venom ointment Venex. The stuff is powerful, and treats lyme arthritis very well. This is the very best Borrelia treatment I know outside of light and nosodes!
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Hi, Bob - hey, thanks so much for the warm welcome! I've read with interest your insights into all of this on various threads the past few months. I'm still amazed at how so many of you seem to flow with new concepts and decipher them all quite readily. As you might have noted, I tend to be a one-trick pony.
In any case, one thing I want to stress: The fact that nosodes have not proven to be particularly curative in chronic diseases in the past does not mean that I or anyone else should automatically assume the same to be true when a new component is added, i.e. light/ biophotons.
If anything, understanding the historical use of nosodes and their role in chronic illness should help with understanding (1) what role the light plays and (2) just how exceptional and unique this treatment may prove to be.
Some of my thoughts on this.....
As I see it, the problem with nosodes is that any pathogen represents only a percentage of the disease picture: The patient represents the remaining part. That's why standard homeopathic remedies can `cure' where nosodes cannot. A remedy that captures the essence of the combination of the pathogen and the person is what effects a healing response.
Neither a remedy nor a nosode will act on just a `disease' alone. For instance, during Scarlet Fever epidemics, homeopathic Belladonna was found to be a specific remedy to prevent the disease and also to treat the disease.
But if you take live cultures of the Scarlet Fever bacteria and add homeopathic Belladonna, absolutely nothing happens! Nor would adding a Scarlet Fever (strep) nosode. I believe this is because there is no person involved - the other part of the equation. (Remember, we are probably dealing with physics here anyway, and not biochemistry.)
Very simplistically speaking, it is as though the light/ biophotons actually alter the terrain of the person more than anything else.
If that is the case, it is no surprise that large amounts of toxic material may be generated and eliminated rather quickly, whereas with standard homeopathic (or other) treatments, it might take weeks, months, or years. IMHO, if the Bionic 880 treatment worked any faster, it might kill you. And I'm sure that's why the IVs, ozone, etc. are required for most people along with treatment; the process is almost too fast for our bodies to accommodate.
Perhaps ideally, the Bionic 880 treatments would be done more slowly, with less intense treatments spaced farther apart, to allow the body to detox in a more normal timeframe. And for those who are sensitive, who have amalgams, who are more toxic or have used antibiotics - perhaps a slower, less intense approach would be more ideal.
But we are not a patient society! And not only that, who could possibly afford to spend weeks and weeks in Germany for treatment, or travel to see Dr. W every week or 2 for months on end even if they lived in Germany/Europe? It seems to me that Dr. W. has done his best to find the best compromise for efficacy and safety in order to accommodate his patients' needs.
Anyway, back to this terrain thing......
Again, just my current speculation about this, but when I see Selma and others post that these organisms `no longer test', then suddenly there they are again, this suggest to me that the bugs are switching back and forth between an `innocuous form' and a `pathogenic form'. And what may be causing the change? The terrain of the person. Some alteration in the host organism has changed and the bugs follow suit.
It's very rare to see a case where only one or two remedies are needed to treat `Lyme', or even 1 remedy plus a nosode, even if the constitutional remedy is involved. For starters, look how many bugs may be involved, not to mention metals and other toxic issues.
I've learned from some of my friends in treating acute problems, the more `complex' the person is on the mental, emotional, or physical planes, and the longer some unrelated chronic issues have been around, the more difficult it is to find just one remedy to cure a simple acute problem. Maybe that is even more true in chronic illness.
My homeopath took a different approach in my own case, and taking my constitutional remedy became secondary to taking other remedies. Thus, I've taken my own constitutional remedy very infrequently, and only in a 6C potency, and none at all for months. (If I try to explain that, it will just confuse the issue for the topic of this thread.) Then, of course, spending a year healing from my broken pelvis and working on bone and Vitamin D issues took me away from thinking much about Lyme treatment at all. So, I'm not an example of whether or not a constitutional + a nosode would be curative for `Lyme'.
IF light/ biophotons are a pathway to permanent change of the person, to the degree that the initial susceptibility or mistunement of that person which was there from the beginning is forever altered, then a permanent `cure' for `Lyme Disease' via the Bionic or other light therapy + nosodes is a real possibility (IMHO, of course).
Selma, thanks for your brief tip about symptoms of detoxing - I do tend to forget this so overcomplicate the issue when I get a return of some old symptoms when I add a new supplement.
Yes, I totally agree that ingesting more or stronger nosodes isn't going to result in more `killing' at all, assuming that actual `killing' is taking place - I'm still not sure our concept of it is correct. Anyway, I think we are on the same page here. Blockages to healing occur within the individual, not because we need bigger or stronger doses of nosodes, ingested or energetically applied.
Selma, the more I read what you post, the more I am nodding my head; you often seem to confirm for me what I've come to understand from other sources or from experience. I've typed most of this before I even saw your latest post!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Hey Tracy, why do you say 'assuming that actual killing takes place'? Doesn't it?
Sanum treats like that, basically. I have clear die off reactions after the nosodes from Sanum. It's been quite a few months on Sanum, so I think I got it right. There is killing happening after ingesting nosodes. What is the mechanism, I don't know, but there is clear killing - herxing - improvement cycle while taking these nosodes from Sanum.
Changing the terrain? That is what Sanum people tries to talk about too, maybe not in the classical way, but...
I had my last classical homeopathic treatment in Sept until end of November. In December, I thought I was going to die with explosion of Myc tub. bovis. It could be a worsening of symptoms, but I think I can't believe it. Not now, as I've been using classical homeopathic approach for many many years...
the test of pathogens going on and off are just an indication, yes. They are a good indication, in the sense that we can't be suffering from symptoms of a pathogen that doesn't test. Like in my case, borrelia has gone dormant (not testing) for months and months, and that meant, no symptoms, no treatment for the right amount of time.
The thing that the classical approach may be missing, is that in Hahneman's time, the toxic issue was less of a problem. Now, that is the issue number one, in my opinion.
He thought of people living in an ideal environment, and if some were more prone to catch and keep toxins and then fall sick was due to a constitutional characteristic, that could be treated with homeopathy. A bit like the Chinese medicine approach. If we are sick, it's because there's energy being blocked etc, not because of toxic environemment making us sick.
there's no way to heal with any treatment if we are immersed on a toxic world. It has, in my opinion, not much to do with constitution. Of course, some eliminate more, some less, that is constitutional.
I gotta go, I'll write more later...
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I'm no expert in homeopathy by any means but I am working with the mycoplasma set frome Deseret Bio. I just started it. I didn't ingest the remedy but used the LightWorks to "absorb" it.
I decided to use the 8 points that Dr. W uses. I tested which Noglier frequency to use for each point & the amount of time to do it.
I really got a reaction from it! I've been having flu-like symptoms & fatigue. My impression is that the remedy + the light is teaching my body how to recognize the mycoplasmas so it can learn how to heal from them.
Re: "But if you take live cultures of the Scarlet Fever bacteria and add homeopathic Belladonna, absolutely nothing happens!"
Maybe it would be better to just take the Scarlet Fever bacteria without the Belladonna remedy (antidote) in order for your body to figure out how to handle it?
I may be a bit foolish about this or just ignorant of how it works.
Since people were exposed to Lyme with the infrared light - it seems to me the assumption was that our body would figure out how to overcome it.
I'm not sure what role the infrared light plays but I think my body is getting ill in increments & healing in between taking the mycoplasma set of remedies.
I can feel it. I got worse after taking the remedy with the light, then I started feeling better. I waited 2 days in between treating. I tried it again yesterday & I'm worse again.
The set for mycoplasmas has 8 vials in higher to lower dilutions. Hopefully, I will go through all of the remedies & get to the point where my body will be able to work it out to remove the mycoplasma toxins &/or pathogens.
This is just my theory as I'm experiencing this. I have used the bobber & it says to NOT take anything to remove or absorb the toxins. I think it would be defeating the purpose of going through it to allow my body to "learn" how to handle the mycoplasmas.
The "learning" is taking place by me having flu-like symptoms. As long as I can endure the flu-like symptoms in increments - I'll be able to gradually rid myself of the mycoplasmas.
This is what I "feel" like is going on... just my own theory.
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I also tested that it would be NO GOOD to treat myself in my bed since it has a magnetic mattress pad. Please be aware of this in case you may treat in an area with magnets, EMF, etc.
Also, I didn't think to close the door when I was treating myself & my cat jumped on my lap during the mycoplasma treatment. I'm not sure but I hope my cat didn't get dosed with mycoplasmas....
He's been laying around alot today - but cats do that anyway. I'm not sure if he's laying around more than usual. I'll just have to keep observing him.
Just something to consider.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Tracy, you are a gem. Welcome back. A fair amount of what is going on here is based on your posts from the past, probably including the concept of autonosodes, now being used sucessfully with light.
It is so great to have this dynamic group of so many intelligent people and big thinkers. The concepts here bloom and multiply daily.
I've had lyme pop up twice after I thought I was done with it, when my life got severely stressed. Due to this group of thinkers and experimenters, I have what it takes to stay well, and I am no longer afraid of lyme.
Gratitude to all of you!
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I know this is annoying... but, I have searched the archives for hours and cannot find the meridian points Dr. W. uses.
I am making a file so I will not ask this question ever again. Are they the chakra points or the points you are using Bejoy?
Thank you.. Robin
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I made some charts the other day. I was confused, too, so I figured to just use these points that I found from researching Dr. W's protocol.
These are the points that I read that are used with the Bionic 880 protocol. If anyone has done the protocol - they can correct me.
crown of head
forehead
above ears
heart
solar plexus
inside wrists
They seemed to work just fine the 2 times that I've used them so far. I used them for "taking" he homeopathic remedy.
I think you can use the infrared light to treat other areas that cause you trouble - like for muscle pain, menstrual cramps, headache, etc. just by applying it to the area.
So, the infrared light can be used in 2 ways. There are probably more ways you can use it, too...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I just got an email from the PE1 maker. He said:
"Yes you can use very heavy paper to effectively block the light emissions from the PE-1. I have measured different materials using my photometers and find that brown cardboard about 0.70 mm thick will effectively block the light emissions. The type of cardboard on the back of notepads will work just fine for this purpose.
However, the cardboard will not block the radio emissions from the PE-1 when the PE-1 is operating in the Nogier pulse mode. The radio field Nogier harmonics effectively extends to about 35 cm from the PE-1 when in pulse operation at full intensity (level 10). However, the strength and the effect of the radio harmonics is much weaker than the light, however they are quite complementary to the effect of the light -- they are just at operating at a different frequency and convey the Nogier information to the body cells through a different pathway."
When I do the photonosode, I block half of the 'screen' so that the light get more focused on accupuncture points/meridians. Interesting thing about radio frequencies....
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Sparkle, great that you feel the nosode effect!
Careful for the cat! For my cat, he is immune to all tick born pathogens I can track, EXCEPT for mycoplasma. Borrelia does absolutely nothing to him, nor babesia, even not bartonella from ticks. He might have other bartonellas though, but I can't find the bartonella that I had through dr. K.'s slides.
He was symptomatic of Myc pneumonia since I know him (at least, that's what I could find as origin for his chronic coughs through energetic tests). He's better now, but I see him coughing a bit from times to times.
I'm getting convinced that once I use photonosodes, I CAN'T ingest any killer for the exact pathogen I'm treating. Same for my daughter. I get strong negative answers.
We do started treating other pathogens that showed up (strep from daughter, candida albicans now for me).
--- As for the Beladona story, same for Hypericum, I suppose? Or Ledum? Or the good product Mucan from Pekan? They all address different pathogens but they are NOT nosodes.
Another thing to think about are the Penicillum nosodes, for example, the ones Sanum uses. Fortakehl (Pen. roquerforti) or Notakehl (Pen. notatum) and so on, these are nosodes (dilutions from pathogens) but they don't address necessarily infections caused from these pathogens.
They are probably not even CONSIDERED as pathogens in themselves, because they don't necessarily CAUSE a disease, but these Penicillum nosodes are used to clean OTHER infections, a bit in the way Penicilin is used to kill other pathogens in allopathy. These Penicillum nosodes are very widespectrum, again, a bit like Penicillin is widespectrum, but used in homeopathy.
There's another thread by Heiwalove asking about help for fighting colds and some people do find these nosodes useful against colds. I'm convinced of the use of Penicillum homeopathic as I've been using it on and off before I got into this photonosodes trip, and they were really helpful.
I wonder if AFTER treating borrelia and other URGENT infections, if I wouldn't continue with Penicillum nosodes..., in the way Sanum uses them, but this time, with photons.
I am NOT sure though, that such type of use (Nosodes addressing other pathogens than themselves) will be as effective as what dr. W. is doing (nosodes addressing the same pathogen).
--- as for scarlet fever bacteria nosodes... In homeopathy, everything is based on statistics. It is not chemical, it is energy, right?
That is why we don't know how EACH pathogen reacts to each nosode from themselves. I am not sure that FSME (tick born encephalitis) can be cured with FSME nosodes and photons, for example. Only experience can tell, how our bodies react to each pathogen's homeopathic dilutions.
One thing that I never read about nosodes too, is about preventionn of tick bites. I am quite sure NOW that if we take high dilutions of borrelia nosodes, we don't get bitten by ticks containing borrelia. What is the mechanism, I don't know. I just can see it happening here for us, and specially, for our cat, who is a tick magnet.
It is becoming a widespread knowledge here as I learned that from my lyme doctor in Switzerland, but not too long ago found a naturopath in Belgium using the same technique to prevent tick bites. Ticks will still bite you, but only the ones that got no borrelia. The number of bites fall considerably.
So... These nosodes, homeopathic dilutions, in fact, we don't exactly know what they do to us. Homeopaths are excellent to do clinical observations and keep notes, then do statistics with these notes. That is how everything was catalogued, if I understood well.
Homeopathy is in the realm of energy. -- sparkle, the nosodes that you are using, are they a MIX of mycoplasmas, or one by one species? What are the dilutions (like from D3 to D200?) Thanks for any info.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Robin, I don't have the notes from dr. W. anymore (as I don't have a Bionic), but I based on his points to do treatments with my PE1.
I start to think the PE1 is less efficient than the Bionic for the photonosode treatment, because of the way my daughter and I test for treatments (the interval is shorter in between treatments than proposed by dr. W.). Too early to tell though, we got to wait a couple of weeks more to see results though.
So... I use MORE points with the PE1 than the Bionic people, probably. Here is my list, the ones below I ALWAYS test as in need, and so does my daughter. We add EXTRA points at the end, that vary from person to person, and treatment to treatment (these extra points are where symptoms are, where pathogens are, or where meridians get blocked).
I also found that there's a sort of SEQUENCE that my body prefers, instead of treating isolated points, if we follow a certain sequence, I get better results (I mean, my muscle tests say, I'd rather follow a certain order than no order, while applying photons).
the order is:
L+R wrist (inner part) R+L ear 3rd eye (in between eyes) L+R MFT4 (upper neck, behind each ear) Top head (MFT1) R+L thyroide Thymus (collar bone area) Under/on belly button Tailbone L+R MFT8 (under the arm, height of nipples) L+R knee (behind them) R+L palms (middle of them) L+R soles (middle part) Additional points
I wonder what LW users are using...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
for people interested in accupuncture trigger points, here is another interesting list:
http://www.homeopathyaz.com/alternative_medicine/ * UB 13 - For lung, Skin disorders: Pulsatilla Compositum, Traumeel, Cutis Compositum Psorinoheel * UB15 - For Heart disorders: Cactus Compositum, Cralonin, Cor Compositum * UB18 - For Liver disorders: Nux Vomica Homaccorde, Hepeel, Hepar Compositum * UB19 - For Gallbladder disorders: Chelidonium Homaccorde, Spascupreel, Hepeel * UB20 - For Spleen and Pancreas disorders: Momordica Compositum, Ceanothus Homaccorde * UB21 - For Stomach disorders: Gastricumeel, Nux Vomica Homaccorde, Anacardium Homaccorde * UB23 - For kidney, Adrenal disorders: Berberis Homaccorde, Reneel, Tonsilla Compositum, Testis Compositum, Thyroidea Compositum * UB28 - For Bladder, Gonads disorders: Cantharis Compositum, Testis Compositum, Ovarian Compositum, Solidago Compositum, Sabal Homaccorde (Turning the patient over brings one to the Front-Mu points which are good for chronic disorders) * Liv 14 - For liver disorders: Hepeel, Nux Vomica, Hepar Compositum * GB24 - For gallbladder disorders: Chelidonium Homaccorde, Spascupreel * Ren 12 - For dyspepsia: Nux Vomica, Anacardium Homaccorde * Ren 5 - For lymphatic system: Lymphomyosot, Galium Heel, Ubichinon, Coenzyme Compositum, Glyoxal * St 25 - For intestinal disorders: Podophyllum Compositum, Nux Vomica Homaccorde * Ren 4 - For Gonadal disorders: Ovarian Compositum, Testis Compositum, Solidago Compositum
-- the article talks about how one could use homeopathic products directly into some accupuncture points with needles, though. I wonder if the photons wouldn't do the or similar...
I just posted in case people have specific problems on these organs. These may be good points to test energetically, if they need a boost of photons or Nogiers, or substances to be rubbed on...
Just one more idea. I always rubbed oils on accupuncture points and found they were useful in the past...
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Here's a summary of how I use lightworks with nosodes:
forhead A, B, F base of scull A, B, F throat - B thymus (below collar bones) - B above navel - B below navel - B inside wrists - C inside ankles - C Ears - C Bottoms of feet - C internal organs as needed - B lymph nodes as needed - C gates - inside crotch of thumb and forefinger, same with toes - F
I test each location to see what I need that day. I treat anywhere between ten and 30 minutes.
This is based loosely on what people have reported from their experiences with Dr. W., and also on what tests good for me. I don't think his protocol is listed on lymenet.
I have learned the following about myself: detox well, with help of a professional if possible get IV glutathione if you can Use few or just one nosode at a time Get help testing for a good protocol Do the treatment alone with nobody in the room Don't treat other with nosodes - leave the room Take a 15-20 minute rest period after treatment - don't touch other nosodes, foods, etc. Go slow and steady so your body can keep up
I'm playing with unknowns, and this has given me remarkable progress, and also has made me very ill when I have not followed the above guidelines.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
I just registered an appointment with a homeopathic physician to help treat the remainder of my issues. Most of what I'm treating is cellular repair, insomnia and thyroid (I feel perfectly energetic) but my TSH is high. It will be great to get an experts opinion.
I'm also doing a variation of the Gerson Diet, my decision based on the biotensor. I expect to do this for about three weeks. I don't have time to juice so I've been buying juices. The Gerson diet in my mind is also based on energy medicines based on a raw diet. The diet is essentially for treating cancer. It targets the liver for elimination and specifically targets high nutrition to increase potassium in cells while displacing sodium. In essense, rebuilding the body's normal chemistry.
A raw diet is also on the quantum side. The difference in eating live cells versus dead ones. If you diet include 13 8oz glasses of freshly pressed juice and mostly non-allergenic foods. The body has time to recover, rebuild, and re-energize.
The diet includes the use of coffee enemas to restimulate the liver as the diet pulls out poisons. As well as a number of supplements.
One thing about lyme, myco's, pathogens in general is their desire to restructure the body chemically as in an acid soup, if you will. The Gerson diet reverses this. Dr. Gerson during his time didn't have LEDs to use as part of his protocol. So, I believe you can use a limited form of his diet with LEDs and possibly get similar results. The LEDs replace any loss in biophotons. It isn't quite the same, but it is something to learn from.
Selma -- A reason why Dr. W.'s wait time might be longer between bionic sessions is due to the ozonating of the blood which has to be detoxed through the liver, all those dead proteins from viruses and other bad guys terminated just with this process alone. I know how powerful ozone is! Having had 4 cavitations treated with it. One was so toxic it took 8 weeks to detox and heal from it.
Thanks Selma for creating this thread, I've learned a great deal from it already.
Tracy -- I believe you are right about altering terrain. I believe the Gerson Diet does it as well in a different way. I still believe in combinations, this thread is furthering insight into the problem.
Sparkle -- Good to hear your using the LED again. Is it possible you had to stop before because of metal and the environment in NJ?
Bejoy -- I'm going to try to ask the naturopath about polysaccharide/biofilm and how to treat with sanum. Let me know if there is anything else I should ask.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Hi Bob- I had to wait to go forward with the LW because we were going through alot of personal difficulties, change, lack of money, moving, deaths in the family, etc.
It would have been too much to begin a new protocol at that time. I frankly just couldn't afford it... Money was tight, tight, tight!
I still have some mercury fillings - I don't think that's my issue. NJ was a very toxic place for me on a number of levels (emotionally & physically). It quite nice here & much less toxic & stressful.
I think we all have our own individual things to deal with in regards to treatment. I had no idea mycoplasmas were going to be on my list!
It's really been amazing doing this protocol with the LW & the mycoplasmas. I felt it percolating in my lungs right away after using the LW. The next day I was really ill & going through it. I felt like I had the flu. It was a bit scary. I didn't know if it was going to go away.
Then, the 2nd day I started feeling better. The same thing has happened after the 2nd treatment. I started off with the 200x dilution. That was probably the worst of it.
All of the different strains are together in the same dilution. The vials are separated by the dilution amount. So it's alittle different than Dr. W's treatment with Lyme, I believe.
It's definitely working! I used the bobber or pendulum to determine the Nogier setting & amount of time to treat each point. It varies for each day I do it so far. I have been using 2.5 minutes for each point as determined with the bobber.
I have been using a variety of settings but only 1 setting per each point. This was also determined by using the bobber.
Mycoplasmas may be different but I used the bobber & it said NOT to use detox agents! I think that the rationale behind that was that my body had to learn how to fight it. If I detoxed right away - it wouldn't give my body time to learn how to get rid of the pathogens on it's own...
Pretty amazing stuff!
I got the go ahead (re: bobber) to take this antioxidant product from Japan I've bought. It's made from Efficient Microbes... Also, general supplements to build up my system - just NO detoxers!
Hope this info is helpful!
Selma - you are light years ahead of me with the homeopathics... I'll have to catch up with you in time.
Money has been very scarce so I've had to proceed slowly. I'm not sure if it's a bad thing, though. It gives me time to study everything first.
All the best.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
PS- FYI - The basis of my treatment was determined by an Asyra reading I had done. I believe it's similar to the Biocom that Dr. W uses - only I didn't have to go to EU.
This was how the Mycoplasma remedy was recommended by my practitioner & the additional InnoVita supplements (which are worth looking into).
Again - I do not sell any products!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Just a note for PE1 users and LW users: the codes (A, B, C, etc) are not the same for both machines. The PE1 programs A, B, C etc do not correspond to Nogier's frequencies A, B, C... I don't know if LW has the same names as used by Nogiers?
--- Bob, nice you are doing the diet. My last borrelia relapse (that finished in September 08) ended ONLY after I did a fast for 10 days.
I didn't eat anything the first 3, only took teas and water, but continued doing my jogging (bad idea while fasting). In day 3, I needed then to add 2 fruits once a day. Then I went on fruits once a day.
Borrelia stopped by itself and I went to remission once more. Buhner's herbs, accupuncture, KMT, all the stuff was not enough to put my lyme into remission then as I was fighting it since May 09, but the fasting did the job.
I didn't know anything about fasting then. One evening, I had a sort of impulse to stop eating for good. I said, 'why not?'. I was not hungry anyway. I never fasted because I thought I was going to have the worst tummy aches ever. Nope, nothing like that happened, I had no pains, just nothing. A bit hungry, yes, but by the second day, I had no hunger anymore.
only after I almost collapsed after jogging (too weak), I decided to read about fasting and realized it is not recommendable to do physical exercises. I did that semi-fasting for about 10 days (on two fruits a day), what I found the most amazing is that the body entered in mode detox by itself.
now I don't feel like doing that... I gotta try it again one day though.
Bob, I just wrote we are testing for shorter intervals in between treatments, but it seems the intervals are getting larger today!!!??
I mean, I am going out for the weekend and had to plan what to take with me. None of the nosodes test for me or daughter until Monday. Possibly borrelia for my daughter on Sunday, so ... yes, the interval starts to be big again.
I am also having an explosion of candida albicans, which may mean borrelia is getting to the background... I've seen that happen before.
I can't do the treatment for candida with nosodes, that tests no. So I'm taking Candida nosodes ingested and treating my skin and GI tract with Nogiers. Let's see.
Knee pain didn't come back, and I didn't do Nogiers today. I'll do now, if it tests. Bee venon didn't test. Consistent with the other stuff I wrote, when I use photonosode for a specific pathogen, I test negative for use of killers for that pathogen.
I wonder if the ozone was not addressing then the other pathogens that would be liberated while killing borrelia?
Another thing that I forgot to write: I used today about 5-9 seconds, 60% potency, direct mode in each accupuncture point with borrelia nosodes. So the time and potency keep increasing, probably because I can do some more killing now without stressing my body too much.
Another thing: Nogier are testing for muuuch longer too, on skin, parts now testing with CAndida albicans. I did about 4 minutes in one foot, 2 in the other, and about 2 minutes in each hand. So definitively, the time is increasing, I guess my body is more able to accept these photons.
I also added an homeopathic LM dilution for my liver, and now I feel I got it right. So the liver is not stressed anymore, that could also be a reason why I am testing for longer exposures with photons... I am able to detox better, I suppose.
-- thanks sparkle, for the info on nosodes!!! The mix looks interesting!!
I took a look at the Innovita site. My tests point 'no' to me, so I'll keep on going with Heel and Pekana.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Another FYI -
From the yahoo LightWorks group... Comparing the LW to devices using Superluminous LEDs:
(Russ :>) is the owner of SOTA - LightWorks manufacturer)
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Re: Superluminous LED's?
Correction! Superluminous LEDs are a next generartion LED that are much brigther (and much more expensive!).
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Re: Superluminous LED's?
Russ - Do you have any idea how the Superluminous LEDs compare with the ones in the LightWorks. We've been debating this forever over on Lymenet!
Do you have any numbers like twice as stong or 10 times as strong so we could calculate infrared light dosages (estimates) on protocols people may be using.
It would be a big help to some of us experimenting with this!
Also- do you have any idea how this may effect the body or a person using these 2 different types of LEDs. Do you know if the cells are only able to absorb so much light & then stop OR can brighter light be better or worse?
I feel the LW is plenty strong but some people want to spend the extra money on a stronger device. We have no idea if it's really worth it, though.
Do you think there may be benefits or adverse reactions to using stronger light? If you don't want to answer directly - can you post some reference or studies?
Thanks!
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Re: Superluminous LED's?
I wish I could give you a good answer. I have searched the internet for manufacturers on super-luminous leds (SLDs) and have found nothing! From the specs I have read on the web (although they cannot be verified without manufacturer's actual data), it appears the SLDs are about 25%-40% brighter. I know that this intensity of light is starting to become a problem for eye safety. It is simply too bright. I will have to wait until I find an SLD manufacturer to be 100% sure.
Most everyone who trys the LightWorks find it "bright enough". In fact, our customers are really impressed by the output intensity. At present, the LightWorks just seems "right".
Russ :>)
Posted by maureen2174 (Member # 11471) on :
I have a question about nosodes. The deseret nosodes have expiration dates on them.
I realize this is for ingestion. However, do you think these expiration dates will apply to using them with photon light treatment?
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
I'm not very good at the technical stuff, Bob. Does this mean anything to you? I could forward the info to Russ at SOTA & see if it's means something to him in regards to comparisons...
It may not help since we don't know which LED brand is used in other devices....
I guess we can get a ballpark figure that the devices with SLEDs are at least 25 to 40% brighter than the LightWorks.
I guess time will tell if this makes a difference.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Sparkle there are several other companies producing them. Haven't been able to pull them up.
If 25 to 40% brighter could be a lot or not. It depends on penetration, 1 cm further into our body might yield a far greater number more photons. That's if there is greater penetration. I guess the best way to view it is your in a thick tent. Somebody outside has a flashlight beamed into the tent. Then leaves, another person with a flashlight beams it in and it's 40 per cent brighter. I'm sure you would notice a big difference. However, I doubt it's that simple with a human body, but hopefully it gives you an idea.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Maureen, don't pay much attention to expiration dates, at least as far as ingestion goes. If remedies are stored properly - in amber glass bottles and kept from heat and big EMF producers - they should last a couple hundred years. Now, I don't know about using them with light treatment.... ?
Selma said: ``Hey Tracy, why do you say 'assuming that actual killing takes place'? Doesn't it?''
Ha, ha - just ignore me on this, Selma! Something in my mind - and gut - tell me that what happens to the bugs with energetic medicine isn't like `killing' in the traditional sense. But in the sense that it renders the bugs unable to hurt us, then it's the same thing. Besides, if your muscles testing says it is `killing' bugs, then that's good enough for me.
True, our modern toxins were missing in Hahnemann's world. But they had no shortage of imperfect environmental factors, including a much more limited food varieties, especially in winter months. Food preservation techniques were limited; sanitation issues were a constant exposure to all kinds of pathogens; dwellings were heated by burning of all kinds of combustibles including dung and coal; cooking was done in crude metal containers (by our standards) - the threats were different. Not to mention the fact that `natural selection' weeded out the more vulnerable people at a young age.
I do think a constitutional susceptibility to toxins or bugs/infections is a huge factor, even in today's world. And I think the two are probably related. But like you, I'm not sure even the most resilient among us can cope with the level of bombardment we have right now. And, idiots that we are, we pretend to clean up our environment by outlawing certain practices, but we just keep adding more `subtle' toxins, like GMO foods or treatments of our fresh food supplies and EMFs all over the place.....
Sparkle said: ``Re: "But if you take live cultures of the Scarlet Fever bacteria and add homeopathic Belladonna, absolutely nothing happens!".....Maybe it would be better to just take the Scarlet Fever bacteria without the Belladonna remedy (antidote) in order for your body to figure out how to handle it?''
Hmmm. Not sure I understand. I think my statement may have been confusing. What I was referring to was an experiment in a lab - where Belladonna was added to a test tube full of Scarlet Fever bacteria and nothing happened. Now, in the human body, this is all different because it's in a LIVING organism (us), whether you use a standard remedy or a nosode. A test tube isn't a person - it has no vitality. There's nothing that the remedy or the nosode can work WITH.
If you treat yourself with light and nosodes, and your symptoms get worse for a short time, then you get better than when you started...... this is a pretty typical `positive' response to a homeopathic remedy. I'm a little confused as to why this happens over and over with each treatment, if the treatment remains the same..... but let's face it: A full understanding of this combination of light + nosodes probably isn't going to happen anytime soon for any of us.
Hi, bejoy! You are another `pioneer' here - taking charge of your own treatment and utilizing specific tools to guide you towards success! And like you said, I am no longer afraid of Lyme ..... or a lot of other infectious bugs. Okay, well, MOSTLY not afraid, lol. I might be more confident if I could muscle test or use a biotensor. Well, maybe eventually....
Rats. I need to go again.....
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Selma said: ``That is why we don't know how EACH pathogen reacts to each nosode from themselves.''
I agree. Not all pathogens are equal. Some infections respond well to treatment AND prevention with nosodes; for others, nosodes work well for prevention but not for treatment. I've seen different explanations for this - most of them are discussion of `fixed miasms' or bugs that don't change much over time and tend to produce the same symptoms in every outbreak. Others, like Lyme, seem to evolve over time and within each individual, so a standard nosode can only do so much when it comes to treatment.
One other thing to consider is that eradicating the pathogen that makes you sick is wonderful; but it makes sense to try to `plug the hole' that allowed the bug to enter in the first place. That's where the constitutional remedy comes in, or perhaps a miasmatic remedy. (Miasms are basically inherited or acquired weaknesses or susceptibilities.) I've realized that there are so many remedies out there compared to Hahnemann's day - and they often encompass a person's family history along with just characteristics - so that a constitutional remedy IS often also a miasmatic remedy.
Selma said: ``One thing that I never read about nosodes too, is about preventionn of tick bites. I am quite sure NOW that if we take high dilutions of borrelia nosodes, we don't get bitten by ticks containing borrelia.... I just can see it happening here for us, and specially, for our cat, who is a tick magnet.
``It is becoming a widespread knowledge here as I learned that from my lyme doctor in Switzerland, but not too long ago found a naturopath in Belgium using the same technique to prevent tick bites. Ticks will still bite you, but only the ones that got no borrelia. The number of bites fall considerably.''
Pretty amazing!
And apparently, these preventative remedies and/or nosodes tend to have a cumulative effect, so that after so many doses, no more are needed for awhile to continue the prevention.
This `plugging the hole' that I mentioned before is essentially what preventative remedies are all about. You take the remedies and/or nosode and block the normal pathway that the bug uses to enter your system and establish itself. (This works because of the principle of `Similar Diseases' in homeopathy - relating back to the `law of similars' - which was formulated by observing actual diseases and how they manifest in humans and animals.)
I'm no good at this light and frequency stuff - I'll have to let you guys sort all that out for me.
I still have some amalgam fillings but not sure how many. I tried to look in my mouth awhile back with a little dental mirror, and the mirror popped out, hit my teeth, and went right down the darn open sink drain. Uh, I guess I'll have to ask my dentist how many I have left.....
Posted by maureen2174 (Member # 11471) on :
Every time I ask the biotensor if I should use light therapy it says Yes- for an hour and a half!
However, when I ask it if I should use nosodes with the light therapy, I always get a no! Therefore, I always use it without nosodes.
Also, I get a yes to use the light therapy on pulsed mode scanning all frequencies.
I test no for lyme, bart, babs, myco. according to the biotensor. I have lyme, bart, and babs nosodes so maybe this is why I am testing NOT to use them. Maybe they would do more harm than good? Anyone know?
At this point I am going to get the Asyra evaluation to see what I am dealing with now.
As I have said before my only remaining symptoms are lower back/butt pain, tingling in my feet sometimes, and my left ear feels clogged and I have noise sensitivity and pulsatile tinnitus in that ear.
When I sleep my left nostril fills up and the ear unclogs somewhat, but right after getting up the ear clogs up more again and the nostril unclogs. I think it is the fluid that causes the pulsatile tinnitus and noise sensitivity, but not sure and not sure how to get rid of it!
It could be allergy related, but again, I am not sure. I am hoping the Asyra will give me some more ideas.
I guess I am the only one testing not to yes nosodes though.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Tracy- I thought you meant to take the Scarlett Fever nosode with the beladonna at the same time...
I got a yes to ingesting the mycoplasmas nosodes with the light as opposed to orally.
I don't think I ever asked if I should take them or not. Maybe I should?
The homeopathics really get advanced when you start to figure in all of the constitutional stuff & miasms...
Maybe they should have ones for past lives??? LOL
Thanks for the little meditation on the other thread, Bob.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Tracy, my homeopath says that sugar pellets shall last a lot (like a hundred years!), and that the expiration dates are just because legislation asks for an expiration date, so that companies have to write something down, but they are meaningless if the homeopathics are stored properly as you said.
But as for liquid forms, these are less stable than sugar and my homeopath was not sooo categorical about them lasting forever. These are also, i suppose, more sensitive to light and EMRs... I read some homeopaths said one had to sucuss the bottles from times to times, but I didn't really understand the reason...
Maybe you could give us hints on that. --
Sparkle and Bob, as for the Sleds, it's true the PE1 has very bright light. When I ask if they can harm my eyes, I always get a yes. I do with eyes close, when I can, but the point '3rd eye' is difficult (as the brightness is so intense that even with eyes close, I find it strong).
I wonder if there aren't special glasses to protect us a bit against the high luminosity. --- Maureen, great that you are adventuring on the biotensor. I am starting to use the PE1 for about 15min- half an hour a day too.
During the first month, I think my body wouldn't have stood it. I felt almost 'high' when I turned on the machine, so strong was it's influence. Now I can keep it on my body, the potency is increasing (I get sometimes 60% potency as answer to reach thicker/bigger articulations).
Great you are not testing for the nosodes. As I said, I believe the light in certain frequencies kill borrelia too. It CERTAINLY kills MY mucor racemosus in the GI tract. I start to be certain about it as symptoms fade so fast after the light treatment.
As for ingestion nosodes, these can be used with the PE1. The opposite, the testing nosodes, I'm not sure what they put inside the vials, so I wouldn't ingest them before asking the maker.
As for your question about nosodes, if they do more harm than good, I guess it's "no", they can't do harm in my opinion. Unless your body is not able to detoxify well. I almost totally convinced that if we don't have a pathogen, and we treat it anyway with nosodes, we get a zero response, that's all.
Of course, I don't know how the nosodes are used in homeopathy to treat miasms, so ... Tracy could have a different opinion then.
But if they don't test, I wouldn't take them. But that's me. I haven't taken anything or done anything that didn't test good for ages now. I trust these tests, even when I was having full blown symptoms after a new tick bite, I never added anything that didn't test good.
Another experience for photon users: I started asking this weekend if photons can help with metal detox. Answer was yes. Well, I tested which programs would help for it. I got very interesting answers, took notes and started trying .
I had to take chlorella about 5 times next day, I had all symptoms of metal intoxication I already 'know', like a herx: some breathing difficulties, liver pains, letargy, some brain fog, etc.
I test for this metal cleansing ALL OVER, my scalp, almost ALL articulations, spine, hands and feet skin, my liver, my kidneys, my breasts, my mouth (genciva)... I'm not doing an overdose, but I just wrote down the frequencies + potencies and am doing slowly every day. That is why I got to use the PE1 for about half and hour a day!
But now, I can stand long treatments much better.
Maureen, don't think you are done with borrelia. Maybe your body needs some other treatment before you address the pathogens? Or who knows, you are really free of it?? And are you testing negative for all 10 dilutions or just on one? Have you tried borrelia antibody nosodes?
I start to believe it's possible to get a real healing boost with photons, as the inner energy I'm getting, I never thought it would be possible to get artificially.
I did some skiing the weekend (I'm very bad at it, but I'm learning), we were exhausted, but still had loads of fun in the evenings, eating out, desserts, everything I was not able to do EVEN when my lyme was dormant.
I suffer from skin infections for so long, but since I am using the photons, my life is almost normal, I can stand the cold much better etc etc... Before, my skin would be bleeding or in sooo much pain, and I would have most infection symptoms (fatigue, chills, fog, lack of motivation) that I never really could enjoy TRYING to ski like I did this time.
For me, not only lyme is not a monster anymore, but the COLD is not a monster either. For me, I was ALWAYS afraid of cold weather, because it made my life a hell even before lyme. Thanks to photons, knocking on wood so that it keeps on going well, I don't have to wait years in treatments to profit from life NOW.
I'm in contact with other people (not in the lyme world though) that are using photons, and they say almost always, "I'm a happier person since I started with the photons". I do understand them!!
I think this is mainly because of the inner energy boost from photons!!
I don't know how you all feel concerning that side (mood / motivation), I would like to listen about it.
Just another anecdote. I poured boiling water on my thumb Friday evening in the hotel. It got red immediately. I applied Combuduron ( a gel with Arnica with something else, homeopathic), then did immediately a photon session.
When I finished doing the photons, I saw my skin was purple due to burns. Next morning, there was ABSOLUTELY nothing. I couldn't even tell which thumb was burned.
The Arnica helps with pains from burning, but it would never make the skin totally painless after being burnt with boiling water. I use this gel for years and know it by heart. I was surprised to see how powerful these little red lights are... ---- I continue having the same pattern as I described, close to my photon treatment with borrelia, I start to get lyme symptoms (now it's some articulation pains, lower back or big articulations, some fatigue, and tingling in arms).
Borrelia keeps trying to block paths in my arms (that's why I get tingling- numbness). I need to use the photons about once a day with Nogier to keep these accupuncture points open (the meridians are open, and tingliness fades almost immediately once I get the right accupuncture points).
Before the photons, I had to do massages and tapping about 6 times a day to get the same effect.
the day I do the photonnosodes, I also apply light on these EXTRA accupoints, and then I don't need to open the meridians anymore for a while...
The lower borrelia and antibodies nosodes are stopping to test slowly for me, and for my daughter. We still have time to go though.
We are doing a multiple treatment though. I guess dr. W. treats only borrelia plus adds the ozone to treat the rest?
We can't stop treating the rest to concentrate ONLY on borrelia, or we become too full of symptoms (example, my daughter could get swollen articulations if we don't treat her erytoplasma; I could get tuberculosis back if I don't treat it, etc). So we need a double or triple treatment (borrelia PLUS other stuff)...
It does take then longer than 2-3 weeks treating with the PE1 or at home, for whatever reasons. -- Another one for Tracy: about L-forms in homeopathic dilutions.
I've been having some excellent results with products called Sanukehls from Sanum, that contain L-forms of certain pathogens in nosode dilutions... Just an example: to treat E. coli, we get symptomless in one single application of Sanukehl coli.
Another is candida albicans. It was never a big trouble for me, but I get it uncontrolled from times to times. If I ONLY take candida nosodes, it takes ages to get it under control. If I add (when it tests) the L-form nosode of candida, I get it dormant almost immediatelly. It is almost like magic.
Of course, it doesn't work for all (I couldn't get my Mycob. bovis infection dormant, no matter how many nosdes and L-forms nosodes I was taking). But for CERTAIN infections, (candida parapsilosis too), the L-form treatment is one of the best things I ever seen in homeopathy.
For borrelia, it must be different or else, dr. W. would be using the antibodies together, i suppose.
have you ever read anything about L-form nosodes in your books??
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Selma thanks for that wonderful report. Where do you get L-form nosodes?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Maureen - I'm not treating with Borellia right now. I got the Asyra & mycoplasmas were indicated. I am having a reaction to the remedy which suggests that it is in my system.
So, it might not always be Borellia... Melanie Reber posted a thread about mycoplasmas & they are very prevalent in NJ. You may need to treat another pathogen.
I have had lots of standard lab blood tests & nothing was conclusive for me. I don't even know if Lyme is really my problem but I did get a clinical diagnosis. They also said I had Fibromyalgia, too - but who knows what it really is?
I'm not forgetting about Lyme but there may be other things that the standard tests can miss.
The LightWorks is not as harmful to the eyes as some of the brighter devices. I don't imagine you should stare at it but it doesn't seem like it's as bad an issue.
Coffee's on!
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
Hope someone can help me
I am new to using the biotensor and have been using it to test my herbs, supps, etc... It seems very random.. one minute it says YES to something and the next it says NO. For 3 whole days it said NO to Zhang Art, Samento, Quina and Pinella... And then 3 days later YES to Zhang Art, YES to samento and still NO to qunia and Pinella.
It also gives me a NO almost ALWAYS for CSM, but randomly today it said YES and I am having flu like symptoms now.
I have the Lyme nosodes from Germany (staufen-pharma)
I tested all of them just now (I havent used LW for a couple of weeks but wanted to start again tonight)
I got NO for D5, D6, D8, D10, D12, D15, D30, D60
and YES to D100 and D200
WHAT does this mean???
Should I use the D100 and D200 together with the lightworks or ONE at a time??
Also the higher you go in dilutions does that mean the LOWER the infection load???
Thanks so much!!!
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
5 minutes later I retested randomly by putting all dilutions in a bowl and choosing randomly
ist time tested NO for D100 and D 200 when I just tested YES 5 minuts ago
2nd time I tested YES D100 and 200 and also for D10, D12, D15, and D60 when I tested NO 5 minutes before.
It seems to me that there is no consitency with the Biotensor and now I am worried that I am relying on it to take all my meds... What if I have not been taking something I need because it is telling me NO, but if I had tried 5 minuets later it would say YES...
I don't know????
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I'm not a big expert on this sort of thing. I had a funny kind of reading from my bobber tonight. I was planning to start my 3rd remedy of the mycoplasma set & I got a "no" to go ahead.
I'm not sure why. So, I figured I'd wait until tomorrow. - I might be coming down with a cold or something?
Sometimes, you may have to meditate for a bit & get your mind clear before using the instrument.
I found that I also have to re-phrase the question to be very clear & specific. It's an art in & of it's self...
I think that the higher dilutions (200X or D) are stronger on an energetic level. The lower dilutions (30X or D) have more of the original substance but they are not as strong - from my understanding. I might be wrong...
You may want to google "homeopathic dilutions" to see if you can get further info.
[ 02-16-2009, 10:14 PM: Message edited by: sparkle7 ]
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Shandy, either you got a blocked regulation or your mind is still not clear... I would guess blocked regulation.
No one can trust the bobber or any energetic tests if one has a blocked regulation.
It just doesn't work and you don't get clear responses. By what you wrote, it just looks like you got that problem.
THE ONLY THING your energetic tests will answer well during blocked regulation is HOW to solve your blocked reg problem.
Does it look like magic? Maybe... I've seen that soooo many times, dr. K. is a full believer on that, and my naturopath, my lyme doctor still muscle test me EVEN during blocked regulation until they find what is blocking me.
If you have the LW or the PE1, I would just then ask how could it open your regulation using the photons. I guess the photons are one of the most powerful instruments to open someone's regulation. I'm still a new photon user, but I have been seeing very good results with that problem.
If you get consistent answers (ex. program B, potency 3, applied on top of head for 3 minutes will open regulation, and the answer is good and the same for a couple of times), you can start doing trying to get it open this way.
After that, ask then if your regulation is finally open. Ask if it is closed. If you consistently get the good answers, then go on. If not, you still have to find out what to do to open regulation...
That's just a guess, but that's what I would do to find out...
Never ask one question at a time if you are a new user. You GOT to ask at LEAST twice: ex, is it good for me? Is it bad for me?
Does it help borrelia? Is it useless against borrelia? And so on. Never do single questions, until you get familiarized with energetic tests or you may be going to dangerous routes!!
I still do double questions when I want to be sure. Mind has to be clear and it has to have no preference, of course...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
sparkle, I wouldn't treat it today then, if you trust your tests...
Energetic tests can't see the future, they are very imprecise for the future. They see though the present quite well.
We are treating mycoplasma too, from my daughter (ureaplasma). We are doing it in between borrelia treatments. When one tests, we do. When the other tests, we do. We follow that because we have no choice (no ozone injections to keep parallel infections down!!). --
O2, the L-form nosodes are from Sanum. The borrelia antibody nosodes I think I got from Stauphen Pharma (or Meripharm)...
--- The higher one tests, the lower the pathogen load (I think I'm saying it right...). It happens the same with Ledum, for example.
In the other thread, Gigi said she still had to treat with borrelia 1000K after she was done with the 200D. So, muuuuch higher dilution than 200D.
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Unexpected and Sparkle, my biotensor is very beautiful and I love it (Vernon made it) but I can't use it very well. I got consistently wrong answers.
My "attraction" (being snagged by a remedy or it popping into my head out of nowhere) or my journal work better.
Occasionally my journal is wrong but it has a much better batting average.
Maybe I influence pendulums and biotensors because it uses your body/muscles.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
It was kind of funny... Last night the bobber was very inconclusive (I have Vernon's bobber - thanks O2). I switched over to the pendulum & it was much clearer. By then, I figured I should just wait until today. I'm going to try it again later today.
I didn't know how to use the bobber at first. Then I started getting the hang of it. I use it standing up. I hold it very lightly between my thumb on top & my other fingers underneath. I just let the energy go through & try to support it so it doesn't fall out of my hand.
I'll point it at a supplements & ask "does my body need this now". It usually responds very well - either up & down for yes or side to side for no.
Last night it was just stuck for some reason. I was feeling very anxious yesterday. I'm going through some stress about personal issues - so, it might be the reason?
It may have been because I waited until 8pm to start the treatment with the mycoplasmas - maybe it's better to do it in the daytime?
It's hard to keep your mind clear & unbiased. I keep asking it about mercury for me. It says no. I may be influencing it since I don't have the money to get the rest of my fillings removed right now.
Or, it may not be a problem for me. It's hard to say. Some people have the fillings removed & they are still ill. I don't want the mercury in my body - but it may not be the thing I need to treat the most right now.
It does take a bit of practice with the pendulum or the bobber. I haven't used a BioTensor. It's probably best to use what you feel most comfortable with.
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
I hold the herb, supp, etc, to my solar plexus and ask "do I need this right now" and I will get a yes or a no.
I feel like may be able to influence the Biotensor as well... but maybe it is my intuition telling me NOT to take something right now, or to take something??? It's funny because while holding the biotensor if I close my legs it goes side to side for NO, and when I open and stand firm it goes up and down for YES.
I checked and my regulation is open...
Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :
hey guys - is there a link or easy enough to post here information re:
"vernon's bobber?"
is it a biotensor, or something different? i was looking into a biotensor months ago, and now just back trying to read all the latest developments with the devices.
mo
Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :
oops, nevermind that last request, found it on a search.
so, you guys think it does the a similar job of a the more expensive biotensor?
resources are not free flowing for me at the moment, either, but i want an effective tool.
and, would a pendulum not do the same? i understand it's not so much in the tool as in it's user as to whether accurate results are attained.
mo
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Mo, I think his bobber is just BEAUTIFUL and I love it. Sparkle, I'm going to try your method.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Mo, why don't you try a pendulum first? I guess you can do it yourself or find it in a natural food shop?
I'm ALMOST sure you'll get the pendulum moving, for the little I know about you. ---
Shandy, you CAN influence the answer, if you think you know the answer while you ask the question.
In the beginning, I found out that if I repeat a question too much, I start to get non-sense answers too...
the blind choice you did is good, but you got to be sure your brain is not thinking about a certain potency.
---- Sparkle, heavy metals cleansing tested on and off for me during the years. During killing, it said usually 'no chelation' because my body was stressed.
sometimes, I don't think our bodies know where the metals are. The best would be to get each heavy metal nosode and ask the body, part by part.
Or other times, it is the remedy that will test good (a good chelator, for example), not the heavy metals themselves.
Same for borrelia, we ask borrelia ? and get a no, then we take a borrelia nosode of certain potency, that can help us healing, it tests yes. It happened many times for us here, the remedy testing is better than the 'problem' testing (pathogen or heavy metal).
My lyme doctor trusts more the remedy test than pathogen by pathogen test. My naturopath even doesn't test us for most individual pathogens, only for what heals us.
But I find most of my heavy metals are hidden, so that no matter how much chelators I take, different types etc, the heavy metals won't be released for whatever reasons (allergy or meridian blockage, or that my cells are too sick or weak to expell them...).
Energetic testing is not precise. It is much more precise than most lab tests (in my opinion), but still, it is not THE truth. ---
I just found a borrelia nosode 30C and another borrelia nosode 200K in my closet... I tested very positive for them, and so did my daughter. So we did the photons today.
I wonder if I need to dilute the 30C into 60C myself... --
I treated myself yesterday for both borrelia and antibodies with photons and didn't get the tingling/numbness in my arms/hands. So I didn't have to do Nogiers for two days now.
The nosodes + photons for about 2 seconds in each accupuncture pt that is blocked makes the job, while with Nogier ONLY, it takes me much longer in each accupuncture point to get a similar result. And the Nogier effect will last only 24 hours for this problem (numbness).
-- I continue to be energetic, both physically and in motivation. It has snowed hell today here, and I had to clean the mess for 1 hour and a half of heavy work, and I did it with empty stomach, first thing in the morning.
I also ate a lot today, including sweets again... I wonder if one day I'll be able to climb in the hierarchy from skinny to thin, if I continue eating like that.
I asked where is my photon-field reaching... My lyme doctor usually measures this field energetically, and he says that a healthy person should have around 1,60-1,80m, measured from the third eye away from the body. I guess mine is gone to 2,50m now!!! Never, never it happened since I started doing energetic tests. I don't think I reached 1 meter...
It can only be the photons. My brain could be playing jokes on me, I'll continue asking to see. I'll ask my doctor to measure it for me next time I see him (when my daughter goes...).
I'm ready for another weekend of ski lessons and this Friday, ice skating!!! I have to profit while the 50+ pathogens I test for are still not showing their heads up...
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Here is an easy answer that might work sometimes if your biotensor is inconclusive.
DRINK WATER!
Often regulation gets confused when we are dehydrated.
Drink and then try testing again a half hour later.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
What is your photon-field, Selma? First time I've heard of that!
What a great thread this is. Thanks Bejoy!
I tested to wait again on the 3rd mycoplasma remedy... Interesting. I think it still may be rooting out those devils. I took it 7 days ago.
I know intellectually I have mercury & probably other metals but maybe it's just not my issue. I used to study sculpture & I did casting with bronze & aluminum... I must have metals in me but it doesn't seem to be showing up.
I don't have the money to buy lots of remedies but that's a very good suggestion. When I did the Asyra test, strontium came up! I read it can be in magnets - I use a magnet mattress pad. I'm going to have to test if that's no good for me.
You can test blind by writing things on pieces of paper & turning the papers over. Do the dowsing & write the reply. Then, turn the papers over at the end.
Hope it works O2!
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
PS - I never tried the BioTensor but people who are dowsing aficionados say it's not the instrument - it's the person. You can probably get reasonable answers out of a thread & a paperclip if that's all you have.
I do pretty well with Vernon's bobber. It's just great - like a work of art. He makes them by hand with local wood or branches.
I think he's out of the country right now.
I have a counter that's about the height of my solar plexus & I do the dowsing for remedies/supplements there. It seems to work pretty good.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Sparkle, I call it photon field, I think most people call it aura!!
My lyme doctor calls it 'energetic field'. He will place one of his palms close to my nose (third eye) and will walk backwards until his hand stops.
He's quite a sensitive person and feels the field with his hand.
I thought he was crazy, to tell you the truth. I didn't pay much attention to it during the years I saw him, but that was the main indication of health-sickness for him and he always notes the numbers down.
Then about a year ago, I visited someone who graduated from a school in Germany, that does a type of dowsing, but also deals with EMRs (with EMRs measuring machines) and radiation from the earth... It is the best school in Germany that teach people how to find the magnetic lines of the earth, and EMRs from water currents etc.
He taught me how to use the rods (?) to find out the magnetic field lines on the earth. They worked very well, soooo easily!!
He then told me that to draw the magnetic lines to make the plan of a house or field, one has to know exactly where is our own energetic field, because it varies from person to person.
So that one person will feel the magnetic lines BEFORE the other (the rods will move before the other person's rods), if the first person's field is larger than the second. So the drawings of the magnetic fields will be a bit different.
He taught me how to measure the energetic field as follows (the technique comes from this German school):
Walk and stand face to face to a wall. You gotta hold the energetic instrument in testing position, no matter which is your instrument (he had these rods, some people do with pendulum, I use only a type of O-ring test with my fingers).
Walk slowly backwards and keep the question in mind 'how big is my energetic field?'. When the intrument says 'yes', stop and measure.
You can repeat the test to see if you got it right.
Only a few days after my friend taught me that I thought about my lyme doctor and understood that what he had been doing for ages with me. It was the same as what my friend was showing me.
During my worst times with lyme disease, my field was not measurable (it was just on my nose). He wrote ZERO. My doctor looked at me and told me he had never seen someone so sick as I was, so fast after a tick bite.
You are right, it is always the person who moves the bobber!
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
TOday I tested abx, just to see... I got a big yes for Rifampin AND zith.... AHHHHH... I have been off of abx since November and was really hoping I could do this naturally. After being on the MP for 6 months and becoming exteremley sick and then doing combos of abx from an LLMD for 6 months and getting no where, I was really wanting to do this naturally..... and I have seen improvements since doing herbs, and changing my diet.
But what if my body is telling me I NEED the abx??? Actually the weirdest thing happened.. when I put the abx in my hand the biotensor started going in an almost circular motion with what felt like the energy being pulled away from my hand... but then it would go up and down yes, and then do the weird circular oull away thing that I have NEVER seen it do.
Did the same for Zith, YES and then the weird circular thing... I did check my regulation before tested and all systems were go.
I understand now that I can not completely rely on this until I learn how to do it very good.... I am going to have to wait until I see my doctor who does ART muscle tests to tell me if I need abx or not...
It did say NO to samento, but I have been thinking about taking a beak from that and just do the Quina and Pinella. I have been on samento for 3 months now, so I figured it would be good to break them up for a bit... at least a few weeks.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Shandy, if it says yes and you trust your tests, I would take the abx. I got a yes in December for amoxicilin, and I took it for about 8 days.
Rifampin is probably for bart, right? Have you tried Japanese knotweed too? I used it for brain inflamation, got good results in minimal amounts...
Do you use Samento or whole cats claw? I tested for a very long time for whole cats claw (either in tincture or powder) but only tested about 5% of the time for Samento (toa free)...
And about the ART test, you can be sure that next day you'll test for a different thing!!! I never take the same thing while relying only on herbs to kill. Either the amount or the herb itself changes almost every day.
The PE1 treatment with nosodes though, it is constant, as my body keeps asking for the borrelia and antibody nosodes from times to times. And as I'm only taking herbs to clean, they also are more or less constant.
But when I was using only herbs to kill, I never ever got a fixed protocol that lasted a week, for example. Before I could do my own tests, I stayed with the same combo for about 2 weeks, then changed on my own, kind of trial and error.
After I started trying/ trusting my tests, I changed the herbs or amounts literally every day. Specially during the fight with multiple coinfections.
I had loads of doubts about this ever changing cycling herbal approach, but it worked. Slowly, but it worked.
When I don't have herbal or homeopathic alternatives to treat myself and an abx tests good, I take the abx. I usually found alternatives with Chinese herbs and Buhner herbs (including addditional herbs he suggested), or Noni tincture, or other spices like cardamon, nutmeg or turmeric, for example.
Or bee venom homeopathic (apisinum), or arnica homeopathic, or propolis / bee pollen / royal jelly... When I find the alternative to the abx, that is almost always a combo (not one single herb but at least 2), I ask for priority: which one is better, the abx or the combo of herbs?
Or I ask, if I take these herbs, will I need the abx? Almost always the combo of herbs will test as being better and enough to deal with the infection. But not always. It's when I add the abx!
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
Rifampin is for bart, and my streaks/stretch marks are blazing red. I put some oregano oil on them and they calmed down a bit. I am having trouble with my liver right now (yellow eyes) and had a liver panel done yesterday, so I dont want to go throw myself on any abx... which was why I was so surprised that they said YES to it.
I am not completely trusting of my testing yet.
I may look into japanese knotweed... Is that for bart??
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
Just tested, says YES rifampin 600mg, and ZITH 1000mg... I didn't even think you could take that high a dose of zith??
Maybe I will bring this up with my doc and see what she says.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
About biopuncture - applying some homeopathics with needles in some trigger points... I posted one site about it in the other thread about homeopathy.
I'm inspired today, and kept asking if we could do that with photons!
I think I got a yes.
Solar plexus is not the good point to absorb all homeopathics, I get negative consistently for products like Ubichinon, Coenzyme comp (mixed homeopathics) but also for single substance homeopathics (example, dulcamara).
With nosodes and antibody nosodes, the solar plexus is the ideal place to absorb the information, it seems. There's a 'big' area in between the navel and the sternum (the last 'bone' of the chest) that always tests good for sticking the multiple nosodes, but never above the sternum. At least, not for us at home.
Once I sticked it on the sternum because I had too many nosodes to use on my daughter, and the nosodes that were above the sternum continued to test as 'in need' AFTER the photon application.
So I had to do the treatment again, but only with the 2 or 3 vials that kept testing after. So I learned that I could stick the vials sideways (around the solar plexus), but not too much high.
It's been a while that I keep asking if I could use other substances than nosodes at the solar plexus and I get a 'no', consistently. The antibody nosodes work wonderful there too. We had a few experiences so far and I start to be convinced it works there.
Not only antibodies of borrelia, but other antibodies (the Sanum Sanukehls) test good there and I had one very fast result with san streptococcus that convinced me of the efficacy of the photons + antibody nosodes on solar plexus.
I found a place TODAY where I can stick the other type of homeopathics, not nosodes. I won't say where it is because I'd like to hear about what other energetic testers find as response.
I would like to know what you all find as ideal place to absorb other homeopathics than nosodes.
I'll be doing some tests soon on myself and see if I could get a type of treatment proposed by biopuncture but without needles! My needles are the photons!!!
I just suspect that if I absorb products like Ubichinon this way, through photons, I won't need daily ingestion as I'm doing (my daughter and I take Ubichinon+citrokehl+coenzyme comp about 3-5 times a day). We test almost every 2-3 hours positive for this mix. It's been like this since starting on this photon therapy.
I suspect that the absorption through photons will be likely the absorption through IV, or intra muscular stuff, etc... The difference is that there are no needles, and there is just one ampule to use time after time, like the Bionic+nosode treatment.
If anyone is willing to do the experiment, please post your accupuncture trigger point here!! I mean, the place where the vial has to be attached in order to apply photons efficiently!
If photons DO transport the message of other homeopathic products like they seem to be doing with nosodes, and we apply photons to the right accupuncture points, we got a big hit here!!!
the idea to use needles injecting homeopathics in accupuncture trigger points is very very similar to nosodes+bionic treatment. I feel that that's what we are doing when we tape the nosodes on the solar plexus and apply photons on accupuncture trigger points!!! Exactly!
And where we have more borrelia (example, daughter had it on the knee and elbows), we apply photons directly there to send the message of the nosodes to the cells there and make them start killing!
I do have borrelia making my right arm and fingers tingling/ numb.
If I have the nosodes on my solar plexus, I FEEL the numbness diminishing only a few seconds (about 2-5 seconds) after I apply the photons on the blocked accupuncture points (back, under the arm, elbow, in between index and thumb, front of the shoulder). The numbness disappears almost instantantaneously, very different from Nogier treatment.
With Nogier, it takes a bit longer. I use different frequencies in the same blocked points above, and the effect will be good too (no more numbness at the end of the Nogier sessions) BUT it won't last more than 24 hours. Sometimes even less...
With nosodes, I get about 48 hours without having numbness back EVEN though the time of photon application is sooo MUCH smaller than with Nogier!! This for me is a sort of empirical confirmation that the message of the nosodes is REALLY being sent to where the photons are flashed on.
Here I go for another experiment!!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Shandy, yes Japanese knotweed helps bart.
Sorry to hear about your liver. Go slow with killing bart, as herxes can be hard.
I would wait and see what the liver pannel says. And never forget adding multiple treatments for the liver... For me, that is THE point of biggest trouble, with herbs or with photons.
Good luck!
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I just got this book out of the library called "Dowsing for Answers" by Wilma Davidson...
Very informative!
It says you can actually use the pendulum to "channel" medicines & healing to yourself or other people. I know this sounds like woo-woo stuff but maybe you were channeling the abx into your system & you didn't know it, Shandy?
It sounds like that was what was happening...? I have no idea if it will work but it's worth a try.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Sparkle, I can barely believe you are going more woo woo than me!!!
Instead of trying the pendulum to channel energy, try photons, this is soo powerful.
My experience with photons and other homeopathics are going on, I think I found a gold mine (not for the money, but for its value). I won't tell my secret accupuncture point until other people test and try to figure out by themselves.
My lyme doctor has a dowsing book for homeopathics. I wanted to buy it, but forgot the paper with the name of the book. He uses that all the time. I'll try to get the name again next time I go see him and buy the book.
Just let us know if the channeling is good!!!! You really amaze me, Sparkle!
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
I don't have much time, I'll report on my visit to the doctor over the weekend. And Selma, I agree, Sparkle is amazing!
Seeing we're talking about dowsing, I ran into the following article which I thought would peak everyone's interest. Especially for accuracy!
quote:``COPPER BRACELETS, CHAINS AND WIRE'' By Clive Tucker I have been Dowsing for forty six years and during that time I had plenty of Dowsing problems caused by magnetic flux. Deflected images often put me off target by fifty feet, or more, and that can be both embarrassing and expensive.
Recently while working on a remote Dowsing project I kept havingproblems with deflected images. It was frustrating, so I began to search for a permanent cure to this age old Dowsing problem.
Eventually I acquired a pure copper bracelet such as the one people buy at the local Pharmacy to help ease their arthritis pains.
I am right handed so I placed the copper bracelet on my left wrist, and while wearing that bracelet on my left wrist, and while wearing that bracelet I had no problems whatsoever with deflected images. Now I was right on target in both map and field Dowsing. I also discovered that while wearing the bracelet my depth of water, etc., was accurate. Apparently magnetic flux had been misleading both horizontally and vertically.
I also had a left handed Dowser do some tests both with and without the copper bracelet. This showed that a left handed Dowser needs to wear the bracelet on their right wrist - I do not know why.
Testing showed that while wearing the bracelet a Dowser can use the Pendulum in either their right or left hand with the same accurate effect.
Further testing showed that a Dowser could wear a pure copper bracelet, or a pure copper wrist chain, or just a piece of bare pure copper wire wrapped around their wrist, with them all having an equal effect, providing the right handed Dowser uses the left wrist, and the left handed Dowser uses the right wrist.
While wearing the bracelet I am now getting more accurate readings with Y rods, L rods, The Pendulum and the Bobber. I have ended my problems with magnetic flux.
My information dowsing says that by using the copper bracelet, chain or wire on the appropriate wrist, a Dowsers accuracy may increase up to sixty six percent.
Over the years I have viewed many pictures of the Ancient Egyptians, and I often wondered why it was that despite their great wealth, they were usually shown wearing copper bracelets, and carrying various Dowsing implements.
Is it possible that the Pharaohs knew about the neutralizing effect that copper bracelets had on magnetic flux and deflected images, and just carried that information with them into the Tomb?
[ 02-20-2009, 07:37 PM: Message edited by: lymie_in_md ]
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Interesting, Bob. I think I'll play with some copper.
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Brussels, I test that use of Sanum in the vial on the solar plexus is more powerful for me than injection. I have someone who could easily inject it for me, but I don't think it would work any better than the current protocol. (I have not tested if injection and biophotons would be better than vial and biophotons.)
I've been using bee venom and garlic to keep the remaining Borrelia Garinii down while I am treating fungals and TB, since I can't use so many nosodes at once. It's working well. Have you tested for this for your arm problem?
I'm not finding another place to put vials other than the solar plexus. I wonder where you have found. I do find that I can place them all standing up in a small glass jar on the solar plexus, if I need to, but I am not using so many at a time.
If I use a series of potencies, I usually have them all in one vial as a homochord.
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Interesting idea, Sparkle. I have observed energy work sessions where the practitioner works hands off the body, yet you can watch the patient's body relax. There are so many ways to transmit information. Most seem to include visualization and intention.
The second time I made an autonosode by hand sucussion, I finished it and found it to be useless for treatment. Eventually by questioning I found that the treatment had already occurred while creating the product, and a new potency would need to be made for the next treatment.
(I didn't yet understand the power of the series remedy, so was confused that I could only use a remedy once or twice before it no longer tested well.)
Who knows what we treat ourselves with daily, without even knowing but just by focusing on it, especially with photons flowing through the system.
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Shandy, you might want to check your questions. I sometimes get inconclusive answers when my questions are confusing.
For instance, the question "Does my body want penicillin?" Well my body might benefit from penicillin specifically for killing spirochetes, but it might cause a bad case of candida. Plus I don't "want" to take penicillin. So I might get both a yes and a no.
A better question for me might be "Is it in my highest good to take penicillin for borrelia today?" if yes "how many times a day," "how much each time," "for how many days in a row?"
Or, "which product would work better to kill borrelia for me today, penicillin, or bee venom ointment?" Testing each one at a time.
I once tested some Wild Pacific Salmon at a grocery store. I asked if it would be good for me to eat. Got a definite "no." Confused, I tried another question "Would it be good for me to eat if I cooked it first?" Got a definite "yes." The body can be very literal.
Others may have even better words to use when dousing, and might post suggestions.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
The majority of lymies who have so far taken the AI test all are allergic to copper as well as mercury, nickle, lead at the DNA level.
Just be aware of that.
Take care.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
You could dowse to see if copper is good for you to increase your abilities...?
The book by Wilma Davidson has alot of useful tips for dowsing & healing. It really has alot of info just on healing with a pendulum, microwave ovens, EMFs, ley lines, ADHD, aromatherapy, finding lost things & people, & lots of useful stuff. I can't cover it all here so you might want to see if you can find the book.
If you get into dowsing - you can go very far with it... This book just opened my mind into a whole different dimension of what's possible with dowsing.
I still haven't gotten the go ahead to start the 3rd mycoplasma remedy of the set. I believe my body is detoxing & the 2nd remedy I took about 10 days ago is still working.
Don't under-estimate how strong these remedies are. I tested to use the Detox-ex & Bacto-ex from the InnoVita supplements now. i was getting not to take them for a while. So, I'm detoxing now. It's not fun but it seems like something is happening (excuse me if I don't get into all the gory details)...
Bejoy is correct about phrasing your questions properly. I read in the book it's important to visualize protection for yourself while dowsing & to break the connection after you get the information you need. A thank you is also appropriate... To whom, I don't know exactly but I'm going to do this from now on.
Selma, your info about the place in Germany that studies these "invisible" things is very interesting (EMF, ley lines, etc). Do they teach in English? I would like to learn more about it!
Please post some links if you have time!
Have a great day, everyone!
Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :
brussels,
truth be told, i have dowsed with a pendulum for a long while now, and i do well with it, but hadn't gotten into specific treatment modalities, i dowse other things and sometimes use it for classical homeopathy for myself.
since i'm working my way to LENS neurofeedback, and hopefully cold laser or photons -- for my son, and perhaps moving upward to light devices.. i wonder if a biotensor (or bobber) is better or best for that, or just stick with my trusty pendulum.
my tool is pretty crude. just a brass diamond/pyramid on a chain.
mo
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
If you don't have any copper close by. Just get some pennies. Put them in your off hand and pose the question, does copper improve your dowsing or tensoring or using a pendulum. Ask if you are allergic to it. If no consider using a bracelet when you are asking questions.
Sparkle when I get to the library, I look for a book or any book. Thanks for the suggestion.
I talked to my new doctor this week about the PE1 and the bionic 880. She's going to start looking into it. Tomorrow when I've time I'll fill in some of the details and I have lots of questions.
Selma -- its amazing how much you've progressed with your LEDs.
Shandy -- hope you can avoid the ABX, its probably just me, but they just give me a bad feeling.
More tomorrow...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Bejoy, you are right, the nosodes can only be used on the solar plexus. That is what I get too. But what I'm talking is about OTHER HOMEOPATHICS. Anything, like Heel, individulal homeopathic substances etc.
Equal treats equal (isopathy), which is what we do with nosodes and antibodies, these test only for me in the solar plexus. So far, I didn't find any other point either.
But if you test other homeopathic substances, NOT ISOPATHY, you'll see probably that you get a negative. That is what I got here, and it is consistent (tested in different days, different people, etc). Strong negative.
My question is: could our bodies still absorb these homeopathics (NOT isopathics) from somewhere else?
Bob and Sparkle and anyone else willing to take part in the game, if you find something, please post. I'm already using this other point, but would like to know what you all get as answer. You can send me PM or email.
Bob, thanks for the copper clue. I do get a positive answer, that it is good for me. I'll have to test and see.
the only danger to get too sensitive to energy testing is that you start to get positives for things that are less important.
Example: if you muscle test, this is what tells the most important things, because these tests are the least sensitive to energy.
If you do pendulum or probably, biotensor, you'll get other types of answers, more in the energetic field, so even if you get a no with muscle tests, you can get a yes with the pendulum because it is more sensitive than muscle tests.
I feel that the more I go deeper into this energy testing, and the more I use photons, my energetic tests get even further in the energy 'field'. In the end, it is harder to set up priorities as I find many more problems than I would, if I used only muscle tests.
Example: I took my daughter to my lyme doctor, who does ART and muscle tests (but he also uses the pendulum out of the office). So he tested my daughter for a few pathogens, and I can see she tests positive for one. He muscle tests her and gets a negative. I re-test her from far (not touching her body) and get a consistent yes.
He told me 'your testing is probably more sensitive than muscle tests', and didn't treat her for that pathogen. Which for me is a good decision, because she was muscle testing for other 7 or 8 tick born infections, that in his opinion, needed to be addressed before.
---- the treatment for detox using HEEL through photons is working.
Thanks Bejoy for telling me that your tests say that the "photonpucnture" (nosodes through photons) is better than IV homeopathics!!!
I was thinking that "photon-puncture" could be a good name for this type of treatment, where one takes homeopathics through photons, no matter if nosodes or any other homepathics.
this is powerful. I don't know who uses Heel /Sanum products here, but I just don't need the Ubichinon + citrokehl + coenzyme comp that I've been using for a long time, many times a day. Just one photon application, it will last as long as the nosode treatment (the effect lasts days).
Same for my daughter.
I also did on husband yesterday, he had such a good day today, EVEN though he doesn't believe a thing about this photon stuff. He's full of energy, good mood, doing funny things, playful, etc. He also said he doesn't feel urge to eat like it's usual.
Even chlorella stopped testing for us all today, and you guys know I EAT chlorella for years, daily. No, today, I didn't need it. It seems Hepar comp do some part of the job that chlorella does. But Hepar comp is still not enough for detoxing my liver (nor my daughter's), so I need still other Chinese herbs for the liver.
Probably Marnie is right, that the MgCl that dr. W adds in the iv helps detoxing the liver too.
My daughter is testing like me, so no need for chlorella, no need for Rechtsregulat... but still needing extra Chinese liver herbs.
Her cheek is so pink and her energy, incredible.
And to think she is STILL SICK with borrelia, ureaplasma and probably many tick born coinfections NOW seems ureal.
somehow, I think the problem of feeling sick is solved, at least, for the last weeks, for us at home.
We are sick, as we have all these infections and probably need treatment to go on for a long time, but we don't feel or look sick.
Today I did treatment for yersinia. My ingested cleansers are now bear garlic D1, magnesium C1, Chinese liver herbs D1, and cardamon. That is all both me and daughter are ingesting as treatment.
The rest, was taken through photons!!! These are: all autonsodes in various dilutions, borrelia series nosodes, borrelia series antibodies nosodes, FSME 200D nosode, and now I added yersinia nosode.
And cleansers throgh photons: Ubichinon, Citrokehl, coenzyme comp, Hepar comp.
gotta go!!
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Very interesting about the copper, Bob - thanks.
You know, this makes me wonder about body `polarity' - Gigi mentioned this in another thread, too, regarding the Allergy Immune concept, as I recall....
When we imagine all the waves and frequencies we are hammered with daily - not to mention stuff like MRI machines with extremely strong magnetic fields or working in a power plant - it makes me wonder what this does to our polarity.
Interestingly, perhaps, there are several homeopathic remedies along this line:
Electricitas (made from electrical current) Magnetis Poli Ambro (made from the Magnet, as a whole, and each pole separately) Magnetis Polus Arcticus (made from the North Pole of the Magnet) Magnetis Polus Australias (made from the South Pole of the Magnet) Galvanismus (made from either electric pole)
There are OLD, old remedies, going way back in homeopathic history. (Also interesting is that Electricitas antidotes Mercury.) Even way back then, they knew that imbalances occurred in body polarity. Makes me wonder if remedies like this aren't underutilized in our modern world.
Interesting about the autonosode `effect', bejoy.
Yersinia nosode, Selma? This is the Plague Nosode, yes? How did you come up with that one? This one interests me, too, but I don't have it yet......
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
I wish I could get through all these posts... It saddnes me to know that my brain is getting worse and not better. I just cannot comprehend or follow anything... This is VERY scary
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
Lyme in MD: Bob, pennies may not be too reliable anymore as they are made of 99% zinc and only 1% copper coated. So would the zinc mess it up?
Hiker53
Posted by micul (Member # 6314) on :
Unexpectedills wrote:
quote: I wish I could get through all these posts... It saddnes me to know that my brain is getting worse and not better. I just cannot comprehend or follow anything... This is VERY scary [Frown]
And yet you continue to follow this line of treatment? Maybe you should question if you have made the right decision?
OK, there are a few people here that have reported that Lightworks has helped them in some way, but there are MANY more that have NOT seen any results, other than some quirky reactions that have not proven to be an improvement at all.
Ask yourself this question; "How much worse am I going to let myself become, until I decide that this doesn't work?" At least set a limit that you will draw the line at.
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
Micul,
I haven't even used the LW in a few weeks... actually since sometimes in early January I believe. SO this has nothing at all to do with LW.
I'm sure now you will tell me to go shovel abx down my throat... been there and done that too... didn't get better from that either.
Thanks for your concern
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
micul - I posted a thread where people could have said that this infrared light treatment was all quack stuff if they wanted to....
Why didn't anyone post anything?
Unexpected - this is complicated info. It takes years of study to get a grasp of it. Don't feel bad that you don't understand it all. People like Selma, Bejoy & Tracy have been studying this for years.
They have advanced knowledge of the subject.
Try to "chunk it down" into bit size pieces. Just study a little at a time to digest the basics. Homeopathy & energy medicine are very complex subjects. This is the medicine of the future based on quantum theories of physics.
You are not dumb or brainfogged out. It just takes time. Don't feel overwhelmed. Just study a little everyday.
I have been interested in herbal healing since I was 14... I'm 47 now. I'm no expert on homeopathy but the ideas here make sense to me since I've been studying it for a while as a lay person.
It takes some patience to learn all of this. The people posting on this thread are on the cutting edge. They are some very bright bulbs... if you know what I mean!
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Shandy,
You have a lot of friends who will more then take the time to help you better understand.
By the way, I'm having trouble following it too. And I believe my mind to be fully functional. It just they have been doing it for a long, long time.
So lets take one symptom you have issues with. Brainfog, let asks how best to get greater mental clarity. Lets see if we can challenge these homeopathic gurus, how you might proceed and use your pendulum to get you there.
Micul -- what is your recommendation to help Shandy?
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Great point, Sparkle. I cannot process this and my brain has been functional until today..
I am also not using LW and on herbs. I decided to wait until I understand more, which I don't expect to be soon..
I have been practicing with my pendulum. The pennies did not help. I think I am either being fooled or I am getting more consistant results.
Don't know it it helps, but I decided to change the chain out for a gold chain my husband gave me that I never wear and put it in with my jewerly that I do wear daily often hopeing some energy would mingle... ???
When I realized I have been dehydrated.. low BP and collapsing veins when having blood drawn.. but I had no clue! I started hydrating alot.. salt water for two days and then lots of plain water and electrolytes. Then the pendulum started giving the "appropriate " yes and no.. it had been swinging backwarks.
Shandy, are you using herbs that cross the BBB.. and binders.. you probably are, but am making sure. Do you get that acidy feeling in your brain? I get that (have it now) and wonder if it is ammonia.
Bob.. you are such a kind man.
Robin
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I'm been over at the homeopathic prevention thread and am now wondering about using photons and the tick for prevention.. what do you all think? I know someone mentioned using the tick as a "nosode" once in one of these threads... ???
Robin
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Shandy, I guess there are 2 biggest problems here in using these photons...
First one is that WITHOUT energetic tests, we get very restricted results, or it takes much more time (much more trial and error to find out programs, find out substances to treat using photons etc).
I find this is step number one, and it has nothing to do with photons or homeopathy. It is merely mastering these energetic tests. If you know someone that does that professionally, I would recommend that as best.
I relied only on professionals to do such energy tests for about a year (?) until I learned to do them by myself. Slowly, with the time, I started to feel I got good results and in the end, both my practioners even didn't test my remedies anymore and let me do the WHOLE protocol by myself, they only added new homeopathics, glandular treatment, or similar.
Such energy tests can work for any approach you would like to follow, either antibiotics only, mixed with herbs, supplements, with Rife, KMT, infrared, with whatever approach really you would like to use. Many don't believe that (like Micul probably).
You'll only believe when the speed of recovery goes so much faster than trial and error that you won't want to stop it anymore. At least, that is what happened to me.
Problem number 2 is that this is all so new and merely EXPERIMENTAL. We know nothing about its possible long lasting results. I'm JUST posting here what we have been doing as EXPERIMENTS, just that. As I wrote before, if one wants to have faster and surer results, I have no doubt: if money is not a problem, go see dr. W. It's the surest way to go!
So I guess, for that Micul is right. Go to an experienced practioner on any approach you choose. Even though, in my opinion, with chronic lyme treatment, EVERYTHING is experimental.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Tracy, thanks for the list of EMRs and related 'substances'.. My eyes 'got caught' by 'galvanismus'...
I wonder if we have to choose a positive and negative polarity for the dilution and which potencies are usually used with galvanismus? Would you know it? Or they come in both polarities together? (sorry if my question looks dumb)..
OK, as for yersinia, fortunately, not the plague, but the enteroc. type. Something in my intestines. I don't even pay attention to what kinds of pathogens they are, as I told before, I tested for 50 of them out of 74-75. So plague or not plague, botulismus, all these awful names, I am just starting to treat if they test...
As for Mucor racemosus, I got it once alive again some time ago, but my tests said 'no' to photons. Probably because I'm dealing with borrelia mostly and my immune system doesn't want to receive too much parallel information? For whatever reason, I get a yes for ingesting Mucor race nosodes, but not to treat them with photons.
As for the many other people treating Mucor racemosus, I find that the Mucan from Pekana is a good product (but I always use it with nosodes of Mucor, ingested, from Sanum). My mucor attacks then last one day or two, maximum, then go to dormant again.
For mucor racemosus, I'm using then: - Mucor racemosus D6 (from Sanum) but it could be any other company, I suppose, ingested. - Mucan from Pekana, it deals well with die off, I find. - photons Nogier on the GI tract area (the most important area to be cleansed for mucor, in my case). - photons Nogier on the affected areas (my case is usually skin).
all the other Pekana products for liver etc, I found so far that they can't compare with Heel products, muuch superior for cleansing...
If someone else finds other treatment alternatives for Mucor race, please post! I'm convinced this is one critter we'll be fighting for longer on and off.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
If someone is interested in a short review about homeopathy, history, uses etc, I guess this is a good starting point? -------
A QUICK REVIEW IN HOMOEOPATHIC PHARMACY
Dr.Ram Jyothis
BHMS,MD(Hom) Pharmacy
Lecturer. Fr.Muller's Homeopathic Medical College. Mangalore
1. What is the originality and specialty of Homoeopathic pharmacy?
Theory of Dynamization, Drug Proving, single remedy, Purity and Totality of the drug source, Simple to dispense and easy to administer, Long shelf life, cost effective.
2. What are the types of pharmacy?
Official pharmacy - Preparation of drugs according to the processes that are prescribed in an official pharmacopoeia and are done in a pharmaceutical set-up.
Extemporaneous pharmacy - preparing and dispensing medicines according to the directions of a physician and is done at the dispensary level.
Galenical pharmacy - relate to preparation of crude drugs. (Following the concepts of Galen).
Institutional (Hospital) Pharmacy - Practice of pharmacy in hospitals, health maintenance organization and nursing homes.
Operative pharmacy - relates to the various aspects of standardization, manufacturing, retail and also includes administrative and hospital pharmacy.
3. Father of Pharmacopoeia - Valerius Cordus (1515 - 1544).
4. Father of Homoeopathic Pharmacopoeia - Dr Caspari (Leipzig, Germany, Dispensatory of Homoeopathic Pharmacopoeia in 1825).
5. Pharmacopoia -
It is the supreme authoritative book, published by an authority, government of any country that deals with the rules and regulations of standardization of drug substances. It contains directions for collection of drug substances from different sources, their preparation, preservation and standards that determine their strength and purity. A pharmacopoeia published by an authority is termed as 'official' and one that is published by any person, other than an authority is 'unofficial'.
6. Source of Homoeopathic pharmacy -
In 1805, Hahnemann published the results of his observations of fifteen years in his `Fragmenta de Viribus Medicamentorum Positivis sive in sano corpore humano observatatis'. Between the years 1811 and 1832 were published his ''Materia Medica Pura'' and ''Chronic Diseases''.
7. History of Homoeopathic pharmacopoeia -
1825: Dr. Caspari (Leipzig, Germany) published Dispensatory of Homoeopathic Pharmacopoeia.
1870: British Homoeopathic Pharmacopoeia by British Homoeopathic Society, London.
1897 : Otis Clap & Son Inc. Agent, Boston, U.S.A. published Pharmacopoeia of American Institute of Homoeopathy
1898 - Pharmacop�e Homoeopathique Fran�aise
1901: 2nd edition of Pharmacopoeia of American Institute of Homoeopathy, but title changed to "Homoeopathic Pharmacopoeia of the United States".
In India, M. Bhattacharya and Co. published `Pharmaceutists Manual' in 1892.
A revised and enlarged twelfth edition was published in July 1962 as "M. Bhattacharya and Co.'s Homoeopathic Pharmacopoeia".
This is not officially recognized by the Government of India.
Homoeopathic pharmacopoeia of India -
HPI is included in the Second Schedule of Drugs and Cosmetics Act 1940.
The proposal to set up a Homoeopathic Pharmacopoeia Committee was initiated by the Homoeopathic Advisory Committee in the year 1956.
The Government of India constituted the Homoeopathic Pharmacopoeia Committee in September 1962.
Dr.B.K. Sarkar was the first chairman of Homoeopathic Pharmacopoeia Committee.
Various volume of HPI -
Vol - 1 1971 - 180 drugs
Vol - 2 1974 - 100 drugs
Vol - 3 1978 - 105 drugs
Vol - 4 1984 - 107 drugs
Vol - 5 1986 - 114 drugs
Vol - 6 1990 - 104 drugs
Vol - 7 1999 - 105 drugs
Vol -8 2000 - 101 drugs
Total number of monographs in HPI - 916
Monographs - The general plan of pharmacopoeias is to lay down the direction for the selection and preparation of drugs that are thoroughly adapted to the purpose of homoeopathic prescribing. These directions and specifications for each drug are called 'monographs'.
8. Sources of Homoeopathic drugs -
Vegetable Kingdom (Plant Kingdom)
WHOLE PLANT
Without roots - Alfalfa, Lobelia inflata, Ocimum sanctum, Ranunculus sceleratus
Carlsbad: The waters of the Sprudel and Muhlbrunnen springs.
Levico: An arsenical mineral water of South Tyorol
Sanicula: A mineral spring water of Ottawa, Ill., U.S.A.
Skookum Chuck: Skookum Limechen Chuck Lake.
Vichy: Mineral springs at Vichy, France [Grande-Grille springs}.
Wiesbaden: The spring at Wiesbaden, in Prussia.
Nosodes
Homoeopathic preparations from pure microbial culture obtained from diseased tissue and clinical materials (secretions, discharges, etc.) are known as NOSODES.
CLASSIFICATION OF NOSODES
N-I - Made from lysates of microorganisms capable of producing bacterial endotoxins. Eg. Typhoidinum
N-II - Made from microorganisms capable of producing exotoxin
Eg. Diptherinum
N-III - Made from purified toxins.
N-IV - Made from microorganisms / viruses / clinical materials from diseased
subjects eg. Psorinum
Anthracinum - Anthrax poison, prepared from spleen of sheep or cattle.
Carcinosinum - Cancerous tissue
Diphtherinum - Diphtheric membrane
Medorrhinum - Urethral discharge from acute gonorrhoea
Psorinum - Itch eruption
Syphilinum - Syphilitic lesion - Primary or Secondary.
Plant Nosodes
Secale cornutum - Fungus growing upon seed of ergot rye
Ustilago maydis - Fungus growing on stem of Indian corn
Nectrianinum - Nosode of cancer of tree (Nectria ditissima)
Other Nosodes
Ambra Grisea - Morbid secretion from liver of sperm whale. It is extracted from rectum and found floating on sea.
Hippomanes - prepared from a sticky mucoid substance of urinous odour found in the amniotic fluid of the mare.
Malaria officinalis - Prepared from mire taken during dryness of a malarial marsh.
Malandrinum - lysate from exudates of horse malandra (grease) - discharge of eczema in the fold of the knee.
Morbillinum - from exudates of mouth and pharynx of measles of infected patients.
O.A.N - synovial fluid of articulations especially knee and hip of osteoarthritis patients.
Pyrogenum - prepared originally from decomposition of meat of beef.
Usnea barbata - prepared from lichen infecting soft maple.
Vaccinonum - prepared from the lymph of cow pox.
Variolinum - lysate obtained from the serosity of smallpox pustule.
Carcinosins
Epitheliomine - extract of epithelioma.
Schirrinum - Carcinoma schirrus (Stomach)
Carcinocin - Hepatica metastat.
Carcinocin adeno vesica - papillary adenocarcinoma of bladder.
Carcinosin pulmonale - pulmonary cancer.
Tuberculinums
Tuberculinum avis - prepared from Mycobacterium tuberculosis aviare.
Tuberculinum bovinum - prepared from the pus of tuberculosis abscess in animal.
Tuberculinum Koch - culture of Mycobacterium tuberculosis
Bacillinum Burnett - from the sputum of tuberculosis patients containing the bacteria.
Bacillinum testium prepared from the testicle of tuberculosis patient.
Bowel Nosodes
Morgan (Bach) - Morgan Pure- Morgan Gaertner
Proteus
Mutabile
Bacillus no.7
Gaertner
Dysentery-co
Sycotic-co
Faecalis
Sarcodes
Sarcodes are preparations from the secretions of healthy organisms, healthy animal tissues and secretions.
Thyroidinum
Adrenaline
Pituitarum posterium
Cortisone
Adrenocorticotrophin
Insulin
Pepsin
Orchitinum
Oophorinum
Pancreatinum
Cholesterinum
Fel tauri
Vulpis fel
Colostrum
Imponderabilia
- Immaterial 'dynamic' energies that are utilized as potentized homoeopathic medicines. (Aphorism 286, 6th edition, Organon of Medicine)
Natural source
Luna - moon's rays
Sol - sun's rays
Magnetis poli ambo - the magnet
Magnetis polus arcticus - North Pole of magnet
Magnetis polus australis - South Pole of magnet
Man-made source
X-ray
Electricitas - Atmospheric & static
Galvanismus - galvanism
Tautopathic or Synthetic Source
Compounds synthesized, that have found a place in allopathic system of medicine, are potentized, proved on healthy provers and administered on the Similia principle. This category of drugs is termed as `synthetic'.
Examples
Aspirin
Chloramphenicol
Chlorpromazinum
Corticotrophin
Histamine hydrochloride
Mannitol
Penicillin
9. Collection & preservation of Plant Drugs -
WHOLE PLANT:
In flowering season, when partly in flower and partly in bud during sunny weather.
ROOTS:
ANNUALS: Early in autumn.
BIENNIALS: In the spring of the second year.
PERENNIALS: In the second or third year, before they develop woody fibers.
STEMS: After development of leaves.
WOOD:
In early spring or late in autumn before the juices are not exhausted.
BARKS:
RESIN: In early spring, at the time of development of leaves and blossoms.
NON-RESIN: Late in autumn from young vigorous trees.
HERBS:
When they are fully developed, should be cut just above roots.
LEAVES:
Just before and during early part of flowering time. Leaves of biennial plants
are collected in spring of second year as soon as flowering stems begin to shoot.
TWIGS: Of present year's growth only.
FLOWERS:
Partly in bud and partly in blossom, in dry weather.
BULBS:
As soon as they mature when the leaves begin to decay.
FRUITS AND SEEDS:
When they are fully ripe. Succulent fruits, seeds or berries should be used while fresh. Only dried fruits, seeds or berries may be stored in well closed glass container.
10. Phytochemistry - active principles of plant drugs
The active principles of a drug are the potent constituents of the drug that is individual to the drug and are responsible for the pharmacodynamic action of the drug.
GLYCOSIDES
Glycosides are non-reducing organic substances. They are colourless, crystalline or amorphous solid substances soluble in water and alcohol. The name of all glycosides ends in `in'.
Digitalis - digitoxin, digoxin, digitalin
Mezereum - daphin.
Cinchona - quinovin.
Aesculus hippocastanum - aesculetin
Ruta graveolens - rutin.
Thuja occidentalis - thujin, thujetin, thujenin.
TANNINS
Tannins consist of complex, organic, non- nitrogenous, phenolic compounds of high molecular weight. They possess the property to 'tan', i.e. to convert hide and skin into leather.
Hydrolyzable tannins: Rheum, Hamamelis
Condensed tannins: Cinnamon, Cinchona
Pseudotannins: Nux vomica, Ipecacuanha
RESINS
Resins are plant exudates, except shellac or lac, which the lac-insect
prepares from plant juices. Resins associated with volatile oil are called
oleo-resins. Resins in association with both volatile oil and gum are called oleo-gum- resins. If the resins contain benzoic acid and / or cinnamic acid and / or their esters, they are called balsams.
Gum-resins - Asafoetida
Lignan - Podophyllum: podophyllotoxin
ALKALOIDS
Alkaloids are organic nitrogenous substances, more or less alkaline in action and are the secondary metabolites of a plant.
Belladonna: atropine, apoatropine
Stramonium: hyoscyamine, hyoscine.
Cinchona: quinine, quinidine, cinchonine
Ipecacuanha: emetine
Opium: morphine, codeine, thebaine, papaverine
Secale cornutum: ergometrine, ergotamine
Nux vomica: strychnine, brucine
Conium maculatum: coniine
Aconitum napellus: aconitine, benzoylaconine
Colchicum autumnale: colchicine
VOLATILE OILS
Volatile oils are odorous constituents of plants. They are liquid and volatile with a characteristic smell. They are characteristic of certain orders such as Labiatae, Rutaceae, Myrtaceae, Lauraceae, Piperaceae and Zingiberaceae.
Mentha piperita : Peppermint oil
Camphora : Camphor
Nux moschata : Nutmeg oil
Eucalyptus : Eucalyptus oil
Santalum album : Sandalwood oil
FIXED OILS, FATS AND WAXES
Fixed oils and fats, obtained from plants, differ only as regards their melting point but chemically they belong to the same group. If a substance is liquid at 15.5� to 16.5�, it is called fixed oil and if it is solid or semi-solid at the above temperature, it is called fat.
Ricinus comunis: Castor oil
Croton tiglium : Croton oil
Hydnocarpus : Hydnocarpus oil
10. Collection & Preservation of Animal Kingdom
Venoms are obtained from serological laboratories and are quickly dry-freezed and preserved in glycerin.
Elaps corallinus : The venom is collected by compressing a butter-plate against the fangs or by letting the snake bite through a cloth covering a wide-mouth bottle.
Lachesis:
The living snake is stunned with a blow; the venom is then collected on sugar of milk by pressing the poison fang upwards against the bag.
Crotalus horridus, Naja tripudians, Vipera :
Venom is procured by compressing the gland when the serpent is either pinioned in a frame or under the influence of chloroform.
Bufo rana:
The live animal is fastened to a slab of cork by four strong pins stuck through the webs of the feet. The poles of an induction apparatus in action are slowly drawn over the back of the animal, whereupon the poison very soon issues from the dorsal glands.
Cantharis:
In May or June when the insects swarm upon the trees, they are collected in the morning at sunrise, when they are torpid from the cold of night and easily let go their hold.. Person with their faces protected by masks and their hand with gloves shakes the tree or beat with poles. The insects are collected as they fall upon linen cloths spread underneath. They are then exposed in sieves to the vapour of boiling vinegar and having been thus deprived of life, are dried in the sun or in apartments heated by stoves.
12. Homoeopathic vehicles and bases.
Homoeopathic vehicles are material agents that are therapeutically inert, having no curative properties of its own, as well as chemically non-reactive with drug substances. They are a media for extraction of the properties of the drug, its preservation and conveyance of the properties of the drug to the intended site of action.
Classification of homoeopathic vehicles
Solid vehicles -
Sugar of milk
Cane sugar
Globules and Pilules
Pellets
Cones
Tablets
Liquid vehicles -
Distilled water
Alcohol
Glycerin
Solvent ether
Syrup simplex
Olive oil
Almond oil
Almond oil
Sesame oil
Chaulmoogra oil
Coconut oil
Sandalwood oil
Lavender oil
Rosemary oil
Semi-solid vehicles-
Paraffin: Hard Paraffin; Soft Paraffin [Yellow soft paraffin, White soft paraffin];
Liquid Paraffin
Beeswax: Yellow beeswax; White beeswax
Lanolin
Spermaceti
Prepared lard
Isinglass
Soap: Hard soap; Soft soap; Curd soap,
Starch
Vehicles for preparation of mother tincture, mother solution, mother substance-
Alcohol
Distilled water
Glycerin
Solvent ether
Sugar of milk
Vehicles for potentization-
Sugar of milk
Alcohol
Distilled water
Vehicles for dispensing of Homoeopathic medicines-
Globules,
Pilules
Cones
Tablets
Sugar of milk
Distilled water
Syrup simplex
Vehicles as bases for external applications-
Distilled water
Alcohol
Glycerin
Olive oil
Almond oil
Sesame oil
Chaulmoogra oil
Coconut oil
Sandalwood oil
Lavender oil
Rosemary oil
Paraffin
Beeswax
Lanolin
Spermaceti
Prepared lard
Isinglass
Soap
Starch
13. Saccharum lactis (saccharum lactose, sugar of milk)
Chemical formula: C12H22O11, H2O
Molecular weight: 360.3
Source: goat's milk
Stapfs process of purification of saccharum lactose (John Ernst Stapf) Steps 450gm. sl +2 liters of boiling water filter using filter paper filtrate+ 2 liters of absolute alcohol keep for 3-4 days crystals deposits add some alcohol to crystallized mass and wash in purified water crystals are diluted by pouring through filter paper and kept airtight .
Stable in air, but readily absorbs odors.
1gm is soluble in 5ml of water; in 2.6ml of boiling water; very slightly soluble in alcohol; practically insoluble in chloroform and in ether.
Its solution is neutral to litmus.
Impurities are Starch, Cane sugar, Acid radical, Alum, Chloride, Phosphates, and Copper.
14. Globules are prepared from pure cane sugar (pharmaceutical grade of cane sugar / sucrose) with globule making pan or pill tubes.
It is sometimes made with 80% sucrose and 20% lactose.
Molecular weight - 342.3
Colour: white
Shape: uniform and perfectly globular
Size: Size numbers 40, 50, 60, 70 or 80 are generally called pilules. The smaller sizes are called globules.
Consistency: not be too soft or too hard
Odor: odorless
Taste: sweet, as it is made from cane sugar
Solubility: entirely soluble in water
Dispensing of homoeopathic potencies as well as placebo.
For preservation of homoeopathic medicines.
Globules are to be kept in airtight bottles and kept away from moisture.
The globules retain their medicinal value for many years, if protected against sunlight and heat.
Pellets are small, sterile cylinders about 3.2 mm diameter by 8mm in length that are formed by compression from medicated masses. In Homoeopathy, it is a synonym for globule.
15. Cones - Source - Cane sugar and egg albumin
Conical in shape
Size - by the diameter of base in millimeter; common size - 6
For preservation of medicines for a long time.
16. Tablet -source Pure refined sugar of milk. Prepared by tablet punching machine.
Shape: discoid, round with flat or convex face
Size: In size of 1grain or 65 mg
Consistency: softer than globules
Lactose content - not less than 94%
Binder - not exceeding 3%w/w
Lubricant - not exceeding 3% w/w
Insoluble matter - not exceeding 5% w/w
Disintegration time - with in 5 minutes.
Ash value - 0.5% w/w
Tablets serve as solid dosage forms for dispensing of homoeopathic medicines.
17. Distilled Water
Synonym: Purified water; Aqua distillata; Aqua purificata
Chemical symbol: H2O
Molecular weight: 18.015
Prepared by
Compression distillation - using Leibigs condenser (Small scale).
Purification by Stills - Conventional Stills & Multiple effect Still.
Deionization- Cation exchangers (Zeokarb 225, Amberlite IR 120 resin)
Anion exchangers (Amberlite IR 400, DeAcidite FF, Zeolite FF resin)
For preparation of aqueous mother solutions according to Class VA and Class VB.
It is used to convert solid trituration potency into a liquid potency for succussions.
To prepare mother solution for LM scale.
18. Ethyl Alcohol. Synonym: Ethanol; Spirit of Wine;
Chemical symbol: C2H5OH
Molecular weight: 46.07
Prepared by
Distillation of fermented liquids containing carbohydrates or by synthesis. It contains not less than 94.7%v/v or 92.0%w/w and not more than 95.2%v/v or 92.7%w/w of ethyl alcohol.
Usable carbohydrate -containing materials include molasses, sugarcane, beetroot, grapes, fruit juices, corn, barley, wheat, rice, maize, potato, wood and waste sulphite liquors.
Impurities in alcohol are acid, fusel oil, water, methyl alcohol.
Varieties of Alcohol:
Absolute alcohol - Prepared by dehydration of rectified spirit with fresh quick lime or by distillation of rectified spirit, mixed with little benzene
Contains not less than 99.4%v/v or 99%w/w of ethyl alcohol.
Specific gravity - 0.795.
It is used in Stapf process for the purification of sugar of milk.
Dispensing alcohol -Prepared by diluting 947ml of strong alcohol to 1000ml with purified water
Contains 91.4%v/v (limit 91.0 to 92.0%v/v) of ethyl alcohol
Specific gravity: 0.8289 to 0.8319
Dispensing alcohol is used for making most of the dilutions from tinctures, in Centesimal and Decimal scale, preparation of potencies of fifty millesimal scale and conversion of solid triturations into liquid potencies.
Dilute alcohol - Prepared by diluting 632ml of strong alcohol to 1000ml with purified water.
Contains 60%v/v (limit 59.5% to 60.5%v/v) of ethyl alcohol
Specific gravity: 0.9139 to 0.9169
After conversion of solid trituration, 6X potency to 8X in the liquid form, the next higher potency 9X is prepared with dilute alcohol (HPI).
Dilute alcohol is used to prepare 1X and 1C potencies from the mother tincture prepared according to Old Hahnemannian Method, prepare evaporating lotions and cleansing of utensils.
Proof Spirit - It is legally defined as being a spirit, which at a temperature of 51oF shall weigh exactly 12/13th of weight of an equal measure of distilled water.
Specific gravity: 0.91976
Contains 57.1% of ethyl alcohol by volume and 49.28% of ethyl alcohol by weight. Spirit of this strength is called 100% Proof Spirit. So 57.1% by volume of Spirit is equivalent to 100% Proof Spirit.
Weaker spirits are termed as 'Under Proof - U.P.' and stronger spirits are termed as 'Over Proof - O.P.'.
Conversion of % concentration to proof strength and vice versa
20o OP = 120 / 1.75 = 68.57%
60o OP = 160 / 1.75 = 91.42%
10o UP = 90 / 1.75 = 51.4%
91.42% = (91.42 X 1.75) - 100 = 60 i.e. 60 OP
60% = (60 X 1.75) - 100 = 5 i.e. 5 OP
40% = (40 X 1.75) - 100 = - 30 i.e. 30 UP
Rectified Spirit 60 O.P. means Pure Rectified Spirit containing 160 percent of Proof Spirit.
Specific gravity: 0.829.
Contains 91.29 % by volume of ethyl alcohol.
19. Glycerin -
Chemical formula: CH2OH CHOH CH2OH or C3H8O3
Molecular weight: 92.09
Boiling point - 290C
Specific gravity - 1.26
For the preservation of poisonous animal products and venom of snakes.
For preparation of glyceroles and lotions.
For preparation of mother tinctures of Apis mellifica, Tarantula, etc.
20. Solvent Ether- : (C2H5)2O - Mol Wt: 74.12
21. Oils -
Olive oil - Oleum olivae - A fixed oil obtained from ripe fruits of Olea europea. Pale Yellow colour (green to greenish yellow), Spf. gr. - 0.910 - 0.913 at 20C.
Almond oil - Oleum amygdalae expressum - : A fixed oil obtained from kernels of seeds of Prunus amygdalus.Pale yellow colour, Spf. gr - 0.910 - 0.915 at 20C.
Sesame oil - Oleum sesami; Gingelly oil - : A fixed oil obtained from seeds of Sesamum indicum. Pale yellow colour, faint odour, Spf. gr - 0.916 - 0.921 at 20C.
Chaulmoogra oil - Oleum chaulmoograe - A fixed oil expressed from fresh ripe seeds of Hydnocarpus kurzii or Hydnocarpus wightiana.Brownish yellow colour, rancid butter odour.
Sandal wood oil - Oleum santali-: A volatile oil obtained from dried heartwood of Santalum album Thick, pale yellow colour, strongly aromatic odour, Spf. gr - 0.973 - 0.985 at 20C.
Lavender oil - Oleum lavendulae - : A volatile oil obtained from fresh flowering tops of Lavendula officinalis.Yellowish green colour, Spf. gr - 0.875 - 0.888 at 25C.
Rosemary oil - : Oleum rosmarini - A volatile oil prepared from fresh flowering tops of Rosmarinus officinalis. Pale yellow colour, characteristic odour of rosemary, Spf. gr - 0.894- 0.912 at 20C
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
There's still page 2 on the article above, and we can see other interesting information.
I didn't know that andrographis paniculata exists in homeopathy already!!!
Another killer that I find useful sometimes is nutmeg! -- It gives us an idea how large is the field of homeopathy.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Robin, yes, it was me.
Tick bite preventive treatment we use are borrelia nosodes LM6, a few sugar pellets under the tongue. I wrote the amount in the other thread you mentioned.
Just be careful as once I got a strong reaction due to having borrelia, but it happened only once in years.
Only preventive against ticks containing borrelia. Here in Switzerland, there's a veterinarean using that in his sheep, and the number of bites fell from about 200-300 per head to about 4-5 ticks, according to my lyme doctor.
My cat was also catching all possible ticks (certaily more than 100 a year) and after the treatment, got down to about one or two a month. My cat convinced me it worked.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
My daughter finally tested for the Ubichinon-citrokehl-coenzyme comp now (and I yesterday).
So the photon effect lasts about 3 days for us with the PE1, while ingested, the time span was down to about 2-3 hours!!! I mean, we needed homeopathics every 2-3 hours but when 'taken' through photons, we need photoning them once every 3 days or so.
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
Thank you sparkle, Bob, Brussles,Robin!!
I am on for herbs right now:
Samento QUnia (not everyday) Pinella Resveratrol/japanese knotweed (in tablet not wholeherb) Zhang Artemesia Oil of oregano (in the bath)
Sometimes I also use teasel but only when it would test YES which is NOT often.
What other herbs can I use that cross the BBB?
Thank you
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Andrographis is for me the number one killer for borrelia in herb, when you have active borrelia. It certainly crosses the BB barrier.
Most of the times though, our brain fog comes from toxins. Adding more killers may increase brain fog.
The pathogens that caused me LOTS of brain fog were: - babesia - bartonella - borrelia - any candidal infections
All herbs from the basic Buhhner protocol cross the BB barrier according to scientific publications.
Buhner basic protocol is: - astragalus (you need to test to see if your body needs that), - cats claw whole herb - Japanese knotweed whole herb or some pills with extracts - andrographis paniculata - sarsaparilla or smilax
Sarsaparilla for me didn't deal well with borrelia but it dealt well with coinfections (don't ask me which, I forgot now...).
With the time, I came to use other Buhner's suggestions and I found that STEPHANIA TETANDRA was excellent (but it has to come from a PROOFED source as there's a plant that is similar that killed people in the past, not stephania, but similar to it and can be counfounded). My source of Buhner's herbs, recommended by him, was 1stChineseherbs.
Unexpensive, many are organic, and plants like stephania are proofed.
Another one that I liked was ELEUTHEROCOCUS also called Siberian Ginseng. I found it was a good source of energy.
If you are fighting coinfections, Buhner's herbs won't be enough, you'll have to add others. One that some people are using is CRYPTOLEPSIS, but it needs pulsing.
There are other Chinese herbs that are good for coinfections, in my case, I found phellodendron, gardenia were good. And other rain tree herbs like pau d'arco in tincture or gervao, for example, had some surprising effects.
Pau d'arco TINCTURE is a borrelia cyst buster (by my own muscle tests and my naturopaths' ART tests). As a cyst buster, my naturopath recommeds to add too Noni tincture. If my memory is good, bee pollen is also a borrelia cyst buster? Anyone knows it?
If you'd like a general antimicrobial, I would also recommend frozen garlic, it kills quite a lot of things at once, but in my opinion, it doesn't cross the BB barrier (also in Buhner's opinion, garlic is not as systemic as the plants he suggests).
He recommends garlic in other books but not for lyme, but I found frozen garlic useful to help specially in the intestines.
Now with photons, things get MUCH easier in my opinion, but if you have to be on herbs, only a combo will work.
Buhner is not strong for cleaning, so you got to add cleansers to have your liver, kidney, lymph, intestines well...
for topic application: bee venom ointment, in case you are not allergic.
Extra homeopathic killers: hypericum 200C, ledum 30C, 200c, apisinum 30C (= bee venom).
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Hey, Shandy - I feel exactly like you do when trying to grasp the light functions and concepts, and trying to understand the combination remedy info. My ADD kicks into high gear. But I think I'm better than I was.... it's taking a lot of time for me.
Very interesting list, Selma! I enjoyed going through some of that. Also, I didn't realize that Yersinia was in that large list that tested for you.
RE the Galvanismus remedy: I wondered the same thing.... Apparently, remedies are made from either the positive electric pole or the negative pole..... and in my book, there's nothing much else to guide the user as to which pole might be used for what, or what potencies are used (historically). Sorry.
RE the Zinc question: Hmmm. ALL 3 of the `Magnetis' (magnet) remedies I listed are antidoted by ZINC! Hmmmm......
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Brussels, back to an old question. I sometimes take homeopathics by mouth or on the skin, especially the insides of the elbows, when using biophotons.
Also, I find that if I am treating with any homeopathics or nosodes in between using biophoton therapy, I sometimes still get the deeper treatment if they are still working in my system.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Shandy, take it slow with the andrographis.. I started itching all over and some people are allergic. I am hoping to be able to add it back in.
Nutramedix claims most of their antimocrobials to pass the BBB. ???
Also, are you taking any intestinal binders? Chlorella helps me sometimes. I've also used Living Clay, modifilin and garden of life detox fiber.
My first step to being able to use the photon/nosode protocol is playing with the pendulum and the bobber when it gets here. The rest I have to just absorb as I can and archive the thread for later use. Meanwhile.. the herbs or a dose of abx if I feel the need.
Robin
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Thank you, Selma.. off to the other thread...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Tracy, thanks anyway for the interesting info...
I just may ask in the pharmacy and see what they get. I'm not buying them now, as my budget for this month is low, and will continue on Heel experiments... Possibly later.
I would also like to add some procaine, either in non-diluted form or in diluted D2 forms, but Heel procaine is out of the market. So I'll be trying to build one vial by myself with the help of my pharmacist...
Procaine is very much used in neuraltherapy but it could help in many other things, it seems...
About deep changes: now I started drinking room temperature water; before it was something I avoided (miasm), for more than a decade.
Same for sugar, before I had deep aversion for sugar, it is in my miasm file with my homeopath, but now I miss sugars (brown sugar) and am consuming it through fruit jams or sweets. I never, since childhood, liked jam and now my mouth is watering just to think of the berry jam...
Another strange thing happening: my lungs are looking for being more filled in, it's like I am exercising my lungs and breathing deeper day after day. I feel like exercising my muscles there. Somehow, my body is needing more oxygen, but it has nothing to do with air hunger. The feeling is pleasurable, like when we open the window in the morning and give a deep breath!
Still another: my body started to sweat and smell. Before I had the impression I was odorless as I almost never sweated. My mom is like me, since my childhood, she rarely sweats even if she is living in a tropical country!! It could be an iherited miasm (?). I feel my own body odours weird as I'm not used to have any smell whatsoever...
Whatever these changes mean, I'm just watching myself like an observer. So far, my feet infections are still dormant, and it's the first time in a decade, I think, I wash my socks with the other clothes. Before, they needed sterilization, boiling water, and to be washed separately.
I so suspect that these photons, with or without nosodes, when applied to accupuncture meridians or directly to sickened cells/tissues, with Nogier or homeopathics, do both an incredible boost in energy plus help communication of homeopathics. The boost in both areas is amazing.
No food, or herb, or ingested homeopathics could give me this inner boost of energy that photons give. I suspect that only accupuncture could have done similar, but accupuncture done DAILY, not once or twice a week like I was doing.
Add accupuncture with injected homeopathics (biopuncture), that could be even more similar, I suppose.
I am just thinking about the MFT tapping of dr. K. He strongly recommends that after ingesting anything, one has to tap on all main meridians (the 9 MFT points) to get better results.
I always did that and felt it helped. I feel I'm doing very similar with photons! We put the homeopathics somewhere and apply the photons on main accupuncture points.
The ONLY difference is on the DEPTH the substance reaches, it is truly amazing.
And of course, I still didn't find anything that is NOT homeopathic that can be taken with photons.
--- Bejoy, you are right, I find that rubbing or ingesting homeopathics while doing photons some other time in the day is better than not doing photons at all.
But no, my question is still open. Where, in your body, can you TAKE the content of the vial that is not a nosode nor antibody? in the same way dr. W. does with nosodes? ONly rubbing borrelia nosodes on the solar plexus WON'T WORK. Just try, rub any potency, apply photons, and test. Rubbing won't work as well as with the transparent vials.
It's the same with Heel homeopathics. Rubbing, ingesting, whatever we do is not comparable to taking them through photons.
One clue: the accu-point is one of the points dr. W. applies photons.
If anyone finds the same point I found, we'll write down here. I just asked with a Heel vial, if I can take it from my elbows (inner part), I got a no. I asked if I can put the vial in my mouth without opening them and photon the other points, I get a no...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
My guess about these different accupoints to 'take' different types of homeopathics is that solar plexus works exclusevely for ISOPATHY, while point X for, at least, these Heel homeopathics (not isopathics).
For example, I asked if I could use Penicilin homeopathic to kill some other critter (that is NOT penicilin) through the solar plexus. I get a negative on and on.
If I ask, can I use my point X to take Penicilin for that critter? Answer is yes.
I SUSPECT that if I use the same Penicilin nosode on the solar plexus, I'll get my body trying to find penicilin in my body and do something with them (kill or expulse or whatever with the SAME critter penicilin...).
If, on the other hand, I use the same penicilin nosode on the point X, I'll get penicilin to kill OTHER critters as the way my body decodes its message is different.
While with ingestion, we don't need to know anything, we just ingest and our bodies do the work.
This looks crazy, I agree, that is why I need your help, to help confirming this point X really exists and I am not creating all that in my mind...
Or it could still be that my brain is playing tricks with myself, I TOTALLY agree!! That is why, the game is open for anyone willing to participate. If you'd like to make it even better, send me a PM instead!
Next question for the future will be then, if THE homeopathic constitutional remedy for each person will work there in point X!! Or if it still needs another point to be taken through photons.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I've been having a big detox from my intestines like last summer - so, I've been going slow.
I'm doing some research - aloe vera gel & slippery elm are some potential detox agents as well as charcoal tabs. I tested no to chlorella a while back. I haven't done energetic testing for the slippery elm or aloe vera but they seem good from an intellectual point of view.
I'm not sure if the detox is from using the light by itself - like last summer or if it has anything to do with the mycoplasma remedy.
I guess I could test it but I'm just feeling pretty weak & ill. I have to write everything down since I'm feeling pretty overloaded right now.
I'll focus more on it later today to see if I can get some info...
After I took the remedy for mycoplasmas with the light - I started using the LW alot for just treating back pain, menstrual cramps, lymph nodes, various points on my body. I think I may have over done it. Hense, the intestinal reaction.
I just really like the way the light feels. It makes the aches & pains subside but it may cause some kind of killing reaction to whatever pathogens are causing problems for me.
Just my observation since I use the light for 2 things (to absorb remedies & for aches & pains). I think I have to be alittle more focused in my usage & not use it for aches & pains so much.
Selma -
re: Heel vs. Pekana drainage remedies - Heel got the OK as being superior for my use.
I don't have the money today to order it, though. I'll just have to put it on hold for now. Maybe later this week?
Can you post a list of potential points to try for the alternate point X...? There are too many for me to consider since I'm a beginner at this.
Also, if you get a chance - can you post the name or a link of the school in Germany that studies the EMF, invisible energy fields, auras, etc. I'd like to check it out!
Thanks for all the great info!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Sparkle, I think this was the link, but the homepage looks new now... I knew the older version...
Killing with nosodes + photons is very strong. My liver has not been so stressed since I started taking borrelia nosodes through photons.
The reaction is not fast as with ingestable killers, but it is building up slowly, I feel. Only Hepar comp is not doing the job, so we are adding other herbs, still back to milk thistle, plus cilantro rubbed on liver and homeopathics specific for each person.
Points to test:
MFT 1 (top of head) MFT 8 (under the arms, height of nipple) 3rd eye thyroide thymus navel inner wrists palms soles tailbone behind knees
-- Slippery elm is 'looking' very interesting, indeed!! Good that you found something for the intestines, Sparkle.
Ask also about your liver or gall bladder. They are sometimes THE origin for intestinal problems.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
If the pain is in the right hand upper quadrant and upper abdominal area.. constant sore stomach.. any idea what that would be? I've had a sonogram. It seems to impact my whole digestive tract and I don't know what to do about it.
If the photons put this much stress on the liver, then it would seem wise to either bring the pathogen load down before? and to make sure detox pathways are working and clear?
I don't think its all about mopping up toxins for me. I am having the comprehensive detox panel done and considering the methylation panel.
Also considering Allergie Immun.
Also considering intracellular vitamin test figuring if my body has the nutrients properly, less stress when killing the bugs.
Any suggestions?
Thank you..
Robin
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Sparkle, funny you should mention slippery elm. At the health food store I go to they are switching how they offer herbs. So the old product is halve off. I picked up quit a bit of slippery elm, maybe a pound for under 5 dollars. I've tested and been putting it in my quinoa or oatmeal in the morning.
I also picked up 2/3 of a pound of ashwaganda.
But I couldn't beleive how well I tested for slippery elm and ashwaganda.
I just picked up deseret biological mycoplasma. I'm going to put some of it in a clear vial and see where goes using the light works. It appears I've got issues with mycoplasma.
Plus a whole bunch of homeopathic remedies.
Selma -- my practioner is very interested in the PE1. She talking with another doctor about getting one. So these practioners are definitely kicking the tires.
more l8r -- B
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I tested for the slippery elm. There are some recipes & info for it on:
I think it's some good stuff. They sell it in bulk here, too - but it's not on sale, unfortunately. I tested no for the aloe vera.
I think I have to back off from using the LightWorks so often & just use it to ingest the remedies.
It feels good to me but it causes some kind of detox reaction.
I checked the Heel remedies that Dr. W uses in the IV & I don't need the liver & kidney ones. I just tested positive for the lymph one. It's not that expensive on iHerb so I'll order it soon.
Allergie-Immune sounds interesting but it's a bit expensive for me right now. I think I'd like to continue with the Asyra even though GiGi said it wasn't as effective. I'd like to be able to read about it in English. I'd also like to see what people's results are in a few months from now.
I'm glad the Asyra reading I had found the mycoplasmas. I still haven't gone forward with the remedies since my intestines were going through this detox or whatever it is. I'm just going to wait until it's over to continue.
Be careful with the infrared light if you have any stomach or intestinal issues. I never had any intestinal problems prior to using the LightWorks... it must be doing something but I don't know what it is.
It might be just me for some reason.
I think that mycoplasmas are more common than people suspect... There are 100s of strains & I read they are very prevalent in CT & NJ.
Really makes me wonder about those chemtrails... Maybe we should look into a chemtrail remedy? Any suggestions?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
PS - Thanks Selma. I'm going to look into the websites!
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Selma, in your experience, do the photons alone (without nosodes or homeopathics) remove blockages - the type of blockages that can interfere with muscle testing? Any other light users have an opinion on this?
To those Light Users out there (other than the Bionic 880): Who still has amalgams? Anybody? Any problems cropping up in your teeth or jaw areas? (Sorry if this got covered already - I can't find anything in my notes.)
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Tracy, photons alone can do a lot, in my opinion.
The problem is always which frequency to use, so somehow, I WOULDN'T use photons without pulsing (I get strong negative answers) directly on my skin. That is why I muscle test frequencies before.
I do think they remove many blockages PROBABLY in the way that neuraltherapy does, but even more efficient.
I am not a neuraltherapist and only have got neuraltherapy in the past done with injections of procaine. They worked well, but I was going for injections once every month or every two months. It makes a HUGE difference to be using photons EVERY DAY, even if for a few seconds.
These procaine injections 'cancelled' my scars. It means, these scars (from cesarean, or from navel) were producing interference 'fields' and making me blocked most of the times when I went for ART testing. And when we are blocked, nothing works well, it's as though our accupuncture meridians are sick and not flowing.
One way to unblock such scars would be then to try procaine homeopathic with photons (I haven't tried this though, but it's in my plans to try on any poor victim that knocks on my door any time) to see if this works. If not, I'll only be using Nogier frequencies on scars.
If not scars, but merely blockages (usually on accupunture points), I also think Nogier works well. With or without procaine. I can even imagine that the Bionic would work well too, as one can chose the frequency, even though I find that the PE1 is incredible because of different wavelenghts (not only 880nm).
It seems I am 'transparent' to these infrared LEDd, they go through the innermost parts of my body.
I suppose the procaine could give a further boost and give further treatment to diseased tissue/ cells(just a guess, I need to have it in front of me to test on myself or on a victim!!).
-- As for the liver, watch out everybody. Both liver and gall bladder. The nosode killing stresses my liver more than any protocol (except, probably, when I was fighting accute infection after a tick bite in 2007 and was fighting about 5-6 coinfections in the acute phase). The photon coupled with nosodes stressed the liver A LOT.
Another 'hint': the addition of some Heel products for cleansing could do the trick of putting borrelia dormant, according to my energetic tests. It's too early to say, but that is what I start to 'get' as answer.
I got to wait about 2 weeks without testing for borrelia treatment to see if it is really going in this direction, though.
Hint number 2: my liver was stressed, then my Gi started to be a bit messy after these last killings. Adding liver supplements until now didn't solve the problem.
The solution was either ART test to see which homeopathics to add (but I need the help of a big homeopathic book to find out which substance exactly fits me), OR to add other cleansers like Lymphomyosot, Galium, Solidago...
I just did a few minutes ago. Galium is supposed to help my intestines and Solidago the kidney. I don't need lymphomyosot (probably because of cardamon that I consume a lot?). These two things, Galium and Solidago DON'T help my liver according to energetic tests.
Well, minutes after photon application, I didn't even did photons on the liver as it didn't test, I had again to lay down for a while, enjoying the feeling of being relaxed. My liver and gall bladder started to do strange noises, I felt the bile moving, flowing...
Before using both Galium and Solidago, my liver was stressed (in energetic tests). After it, it comes as 'not stressed' anymore.
Even though these products are not treating my liver, directly. Somehow, the general toxin burden gets smaller (first in the energetic field, then in 'reality'), then the liver needs no further help, it seems. Let's see how my intestines react in the next days...
Test Galium you all. At home, all us 3 need Galium, all of us 3 need Solidago, Hepar comp but not all need Lymphomyosot. Galium, I don't know why, is testing as though helping to clean the intestines for us all.
-- As for the hint number 1 above, if it is true, then, I take the hats off for dr. W. again....
If it is true, it confirms my feeling. No way to get rid of infections if one doesn't clean the body. Toxins go hand in hand with pathogens, the more we accumulate toxins, the less we can fight pathogens.
Evolution did that, right? The pathogens bodies are toxic, when they die, they get more toxic, and why? The ONLY reason I see is that a poisoned HOST (WE) can't fight pathogens well. If we feel intestines and liver, or kidneys under stress, there's no reason to continue killing...
Stress of the liver, intestines, kidney, lymphatic system, whatever, that means we can't get rid of pathogens. Not even with the best of machines, the best of nosodes.
--- Another thing: I've been doing name testing for a while now (names of supplements). Before, I got very dubious answers. I did many mistakes and when I bought supplements or herbs, the actual product tested different.
The latest tests I did though, name testing matches what I needed, as I can confirm them with the real remedy in front of me! Same for my daughter and husband. It's getting very exciting then.
I get very strong positive in name testing Procainum compositum, but the product is out of the market. So I'm traing to build it again, from scratch...
gotta go now.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Let me see if I get the locations question right.
Nosodes for the solar plexus. They help the body produce antibodies against the pathogen identified by the nosode.
Some other location also for homopathics that act in other ways. For instance homeopathic penicillin meant to stimulate the body to kill pathogens, rather than to get rid of penicillin.
Is that right?
Well, trying to follow this logic, I get a yes for penicillin homeopathic in a vial inside the arm, but not on the solar plexus. Hmmm. Why is this? Is that the location X you are referring to?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Bejoy, right, I mean, the Sanum foundation remedies, like Fortakehl, Notakehl, Quentakehl are MADE of penicilin different strains.
These are nosodes, but we don't take Penicilin roquefortii (sp?) to kill Penicilin roquefortii inside us. We take Penicilin roq (called Fortakehl) to kill, for example, Salmonella.
So, even if these remedies are nosodes, done the same way a borrelia nosode is done, these nosodes are used to kill OTHER pathogens than themselves.
Like most penicilins in allopathic medicine.
So, you are right, if we put penicilin nosodes on the solar plexus to get rid of salmonella, it WON'T do the job, according to my tests (and to yours).
So you got a positive from inside the elbows... Could you ask: "is this the best part of my body to absorb this homeopathic penicilin through photons?"
I don't get the same answer... --- Bob, glad to see your practioners will probably start on the PE1 or other photon devices.
wish them success!
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Selma -- give any thought to hepatica (I like nestmann pharma). See the following link:
Hepatica is recommended for the detoxification of the liver and gallbladder. This combination can be used in cases of chronic liver conditions due to infection, cholecystitis, cholangitis, metabolic disturbances, adiposity, and toxic stress due to environmental chemicals. Hepatica regulates secretion and absorption in the digestive system; has anti-inflammatory and anti-spasmolytic properties in the portal vein; stimulates bile flow and increases detoxification of the liver.
Carduus contains liver tonic herbs for excellent liver support. It is used for acute, subacute, or chronic diseases of the liver and gallbladder. Carduus� is beneficial in removing liver congestion, liver deficiency, gallbladder conditions, constipation, stasis of the portal vein, hemorrhoids, hepatopathy with constipation, difficulty in fat digestion and it may also improve the bile secretion that helps to remove small gallstones (gravel).
Nestmann has some great drainage remedies. Thought I'd pass them along, given how important the liver is anything we do.
Another way through it, is to do coffee enemas quite often or coffee suppositories.
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
I use Nestmann Hepatica and Bucco
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Hepatica looks good, but I never tried it. Things like cilantro, cinnamon, cloves, melissa, I take them often, almost daily (except for melissa tea, it stopped testing). The rest, I don't know but they 'look' good.
for me though, it seems that Hepar compositum is a superior product. Just a 'feeling'.
for Cardus, I get a no, but possibly because I don't need a liver tonic?
Berberis vulgaris though gets a good yes, I'll be starting it tomorow to help some killing (borrelia and Myc TB bovis test as reacting to it). I ordered it by coincidence and got it today.
for Bucco, no one here tests. But possibly because we're on solidago?
anyway, if one feels it helps, why not continuing??
addition of Solidago didn't cancel our need for bear garlic, so we're on it still, for kidney support.
After adding Hepar, Solidago and Galium, I feel I'll start to have cramps soon... So the magnesium homeopathic is not being enough... I added the real magnesium now, let's see.
Daughter had some light GI cramps since yesterday. Today we added Galium, she still complained. So I did Nogier (D program) and it was then fine.
she was also very thirsty for almost 24 hours, so I know there's some detoxing going on. After Solidago +lymphomyosot + galium, she stopped drinking water, even refused her evening glass before going to bed... Yesterday, she took about 8-10 glasses, today about 3...
tomorrow we'll be heading for the lyme doctor, it's her appointment. Her individual homeopathics stopped testing a week ago for organ support, so he may be giving other supportive things tomorrow.
Chlorella stopped testing for the last days for all of us at home... Funny. Since we added Hepar comp.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
What about UNDA frops? I know 243 is being used by some on the Lyme Induced Autism list.
Can anyone help me with the names for the Heel products for kidney and liver? I have searched all over (probably under my nose) and cannot find the names of the products.. got the lymph one.
Thank you.. Robin
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Solidago Compositum -
CERES Hedera Compositum Phytotherapeutic Properties Solidago compositum is a specific kidney remedy that consists of the CERES Mother Tinctures of four typical representatives of diuretic/aquaretic effective healing plants. The complex covers several psychological types, which can stand in connection with a kidney illness or impairment of diuresis. Black elder (Sambucus nigra) has been added as a fifth ingredient to complement the kidney bladder complex with its unique diuretic and diaphoretic actions. As a whole this composite remedy covers a larger number of organic and psychological causes with corresponding symptoms. The following are individual component descriptions:
Solidago virgaurea (Goldenrod) primarily used as irrigation therapy for inflammatory diseases of the lower urinary tract, urinary calculi and kidney gravel, and as prophylaxis for urinary calculi and kidney gravel.
Equisetum arvense (Horsetail grass) as irrigation therapy for post-traumatic and static edema and for bacterial infections and inflammation of the lower urinary tract and renal gravel.
Urtica dioica (Stinging Nettles) as irrigation therapy for inflammatory diseases of the lower urinary tract and prevention and treatment of kidney gravel. Supportive for rheumatic ailments.
Betula pendula (Birch) as a diuretic and treatment of kidney gravel and for inflammation and spasms in urinary trac disorders. Analgesic for pain and inflammation.
Sambucus nigra (Elder) as irrigation therapy for inflammatory diseases of the lower urinary tract and as a diaphoretic.
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HEPAR compositum
Hepar Compositum promotes stimulation of the detoxicating function of the liver in acute cases and chronic diseases of the liver/gall, e.g., cholangitis and cholecystitis; in functional disorders of the liver of toxic origin as cause or result of other diseases; in hypercholesteremia, erythematodes, toxic exanthema, dermatosis, and dermatitis, neurodermitis and for the stimulation of the liver-cell functioning.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Thanks, Selma.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Just a fast update. If you all would like to experiment on Heel products, go slow.
My daughter had a big D. yesterday, too overloaded with toxins. Today, the lyme doctor said her GI tract is fine though, a bit of stress in the liver and lymph though, but nothing else.
So the products are working for detox, but just go slow.
I got headaches the whole day too. Very rare for me. when I ask, my body says, excess of toxins...
Well... learning the hard way again.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
OK, as no one guessed the point, I'm writing here: it's the third eye.
I don't know if this is valid for all of you, and for all homeopathics except for isopathics. That's why I wanted more people to test and see.
Besides, I think each machine acts different, so the Lightworks, the Bionic, Lumen and this PE1 I use probably gives different results (?).
My lyme doctor tested my daughter for frozen garlic yesterday and got a positive for it. She was though testing good for her own autonosodes, from knee liquid again.
She's been 12 days without being treated with these sutonosodes, and yesterday, she tested again. So while in the doctor's office, her body was asking for frozen garlic, but NONE of Buhner's herbs, cowden tinctures, bee venon, etc.
He was very surprised. But he wrote down 'frozen garlic'. Well, I found that a bit strange, but when we came back home, I treated my daughter with photons and her autonosodes.
After that, bingo, frozen garlic stopped testing. She needed no extra killer. If I ask: 'could I add this frozen garlic?' I get a negative.
It's been like this since day one using photons and nosodes. If we are treating borrelia with nosodes, we need absolutely no borrelia killer ingested or rubbed. Not only we don't need, but we 'can't' add borrelia killer as it seems to mess up with the photon treatment.
Even to rub bee venon, I usually get a no.
That is maybe why dr. W. says to stop abx. It will mess up with the treatment. He says it makes it less effective. I believe it's similar with herbs too.
One can take though killers for OTHER pathogens that may arise, this yes. We ingested other things when we caught a cold, or when daughter caught strep, etc... But not for the pathogen(s)that is (are) being killed with photons!
So, we're not on any extra ingested killer, be it herb or anything else.
I just wonder if people with Lightworks still test for killers after taking nosodes through light. That would make results not comparable to what I get here with the PE1... --- another note: I think that one can mix potencies in one vial to treat with that single mixed vial. My daughter had initially treated her active infection with such a mixed nosode of lower potencies.
After a few treatments, she didn't test anymore for such low dilutions (D10 and less). I thought this was because it was mixed and decided to make each nosode, from potency D1 until D10 separately. But she still didnt' need these. Not until now.
So I suppose, her body got the info from these mixed nosodes. That makes things much easier for us, who do autonosodes at home, as we only have to add information of different dilutions into one vial.
Best though is to separate lower dilutions in one single vial, then do the bigger dilutions probably separate: example D10, D12, D15, D30, D60 separately (in case we stop needing the lowest during the course of treatment...).
But D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, D6, D8 for example, could be in one single vial.
Another thing that was tested also with my doctor: that adding ANTIBODIES seem to be good indeed for treatment with photons.
So one could add not only borrelia nosodes but these borrelia antibodies, for example, and apply photons simultaneously. No need to do two treatments.
Last thing I'm trying now: adding the Sanukehls (nosodes from L-forms) together with the nosodes of the critter. Not mixing critters, though.
So I'm treating with my own autonosodes from infected wounds caused by Mycobacterium TB and added Sanukehl Myc (made with L-forms of Myc TB), and I do this simultaneously. Let's see what I get.
I still have a wound in one finger caused by it. But I know that the dormant critter is still overall, as I feel my joints a bit painful when I add Sanukehl to the photon treatment.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
About the points where photons could be applied, extra to what I posted here.... One could try to test these extra points to see if you get a positive. This is based on my small experience with the people I'm treating (my lab rats) and myself:
- certainly problematic points affected with that infection will test (like articulations, or skin, scalp, teeth etc). - test all main organs (liver, pancreas, intestines, lymph, kidneys...) - on the head: above the ears; just behind the topmost point; base of skull (where it skull links with spine); around the mouth. - on the neck: behind - spine: test upper part, middle part, lower part, tailbone for us is a must for everyone. - back: test all around the upper part, both sides, I feel this is full of good points to receive photons. Another good point is up on the shoulder, where we carry backpacks. This middle point is a good one and then test to the 'cornermost' of our shoulders, thesit's also a good 'entrance'... - under the arm: exactly where the 'hair' is. - chest: test lung meridian (just where the arm connects to the trunk, but a bit low in the soft part); mediastinum (exact place where we point when we say 'this is me'). - belly: sideways, around the belly button, it's a common point we all test on and off, depending on the pathogen. - sexual organs: specially from under, the first chakra point. - buttocks: just in the middle where it's got lots of flesh, both sides. Then move sideways from there, so to the exact side of our hips. - Knee: behind is a must; inner part tests often, front and outer tests less but as knee is a problematic poitn for many with lyme, it's good to ask all around. - ankles: we usually get a negative there, I don't know why. - feet: the V in between the big toe and second toe. - hands: same as above, in the V between the thumb and index. - elbows: inner part.
If anyone has any extra suggestion...
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Brussels, I didn't get the third eye as you did. In fact I can treat with homeopathics on the solar plexus, right next to a nosode. I don't know why the difference. I wonder if it is because your light is stronger.
I found a great drainage remedy yesterday, now my favorite - the DB Systemic Drainage.
It has sarcode for kidney, lung, intestine, lymph, plus a long list of homeopathics at 1, 2, 3, or 6x. Includes Uva Ursi, Lobelia, Solidago, etc.
I used this with light, and also doubled my magnesium by mouth. The difference was almost immediate.
Borrelia Garinii took hold again while I was treating the TB infection, and the pain was pretty bad. Almost gone after one nosode treatment followed the next day by treatment with the drainage remedy. I feel like a new person. This is the most effective drainage process I have ever used.
I took the Borrelia Garinii tester from the Ergopathics kit, and made a personal series remedy out of it to use with LW. I have used the DB remedies extensively, but it no longer tests for me. I believe it has Bb, but not B Garinii. So far I'm having a good response to it.
I also find that I stop testing for killers when using biophotons. I was using lots of colloidal silver, grapefruit seed, bee venom, and garlic while out of town. Then when resuming light treatment, I stopped testing as needing those.
I also sometimes find the same points you noted, with myself and my "lab rats." Difference is I have not treated the buttocks, but do sometimes treat the base of the spine, especially with F Nogier.
Got my potentiser up and running I think. It took a while, as I got it off Ebay with no instructions, and the knobs are backwards from an intuitive understanding.
Now anything is possible.
[ 02-26-2009, 11:48 AM: Message edited by: bejoy ]
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Hello everyone!
I haven't been testing as extensively as you have. I, basically, am down to just taking a multi-vitamin & the Lauricidin... today, anyway.
It said no to everything else. I tested to start the 3rd mycoplasma remedy & it said no... I think my body is still working on the 2nd remedy of the set from 2 weeks ago!
I tested as to having no Lyme & just the mycoplasmas. It may be possible that I never had Lyme to begin with since I never had a positive standard test for it...? Who knows?
I am feeling very fatigued & achey.
Thanks for all the points to treat, Selma. I suggested to someone who had a possible cancerous prostate to check into using the infrared light on it & never heard from him again! We weren't that close as friends but people can be kind of limited in their concepts of things.
I'm not sure how the infrared light would work on cancer & if it could be helpful. I just suggested to spend some time researching it, though. I do wonder if this infrared light could be a preventative measure for things like cancer or if it would make it worse...?
Maybe I'll look into it if I have some time today. There are some risks with light for oxidative damage but I believe that the infrared wavelength is very safe.
I find that if I treat my body with the infrared light without the homeopathics, it can cause a detox reaction. If I do use it, I'm going to have to cut way back on the amount of time I use it for.
My husband can use it for an hour with no negative side effects, If you have some kind of pathogen - it may effect you differently.
Don't underestimate the power of the remedies with the light or just using the light on it's own. I can't believe my body is still working with the remedy I took 2 weeks ago - but that's what "Dr. Bobber" is saying.
I tested positive for the Heel lymph drainage remedy out of the 3 that Dr. W was using in the IV he gives people. Sure enough, the next day after I ordered it I had pretty swollen lymph nodes in my neck...
I didn't think of the DB drainage remedy for some reason... thanks for the info about it bejoy. I'll look into it for the future.
I'll also have to consider about the various points to "ingest" the remedies. So far, I'm not using them so I'll see what happens when the Heel lymph remedy gets here.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Bejoy, thanks for saying you test good in the solar plexus... I still can't get a positive there for lymph drainage remedies or Heel products...
Funny. I don't use pulsed light though... I use it in continuous mode when I want to get the message from homeopathics with photons. This would also be a difference, I suppose? I can't get positive answers to use pulsed light with my PE1, only direct. ---
Great your are seeing improvements with Myc tb. Try to see if cardamon also helps with lymph drainage. I don't need anything extra than cardamon for the moment for lymph drainage, but my daughter is needing...
Let us know how your homeopathic machine is working!! Amazing!!!
Do you need to open the vials to recopy them or can you recopy without breaking the orginal vials?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
When I did use the mycoplasma remedy, it tested to use different Nogier frequencies as per the different application points with the LightWorks.
I don't recall if I tested for constant mode but I don't think it would have been positive for the frequencies if I was meant to do it at constant...
I only got 1 frequency per point... & they were different for each point.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Sparkle, I had the same question in mind, about cancerous cells...
I've been reading a bit, it seems the answer is probably no. But there are so many different devices, that no one can say for sure. ---- You could test for higher dilutions of Mycoplasma and see? I get no for lower dilutions but yes for higher. Who knows?
I guess the Nogier can do many things. Detox (so using it to detox organs will put the toxins in the matrix...), killing (for some pathogens, I get a positive, so killing = toxins released), and deblocking meridians (this can also cause a sort of healing crisis, because what was stuck starts to move).
Plus there's the theory that it pulls mercury from amalgams, I also get a positive answer on this subject.
One of the amazing things Nogier has done for me, that no other treatemnt could do, was on some roots of teeth. It sorts of cleans the root and I FEEL it now. I got two teeth that are painful with the contact with cold water or with sugar, but no cavities... The Nogier is the best thing so far that dealt with that pain, it's still not cured, but it's clearly improving.
In summary, the Nogier will probably make you thirsty and toxic for these reasons above... I get thirsty after Nogier, for sure. I though enjoy the Nogier sessions, even though I don't do them everyday.
yes, it is amazing, how photons boost the message of homeopathics. It's a whole new world for me now, that I can explore.
These two products there also look interesting, Traumeel and Engystol N...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Thanks to say that Sparkle... I'll keep that in mind, and still will ask if I get my PE1 to answer me positively for pulsed light WITH homeopathics...
If I had a LW in hands, that would be easier (to compare the two machines!).
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Selma, you are a genius.... I got the go ahead to re-treat with the higher dilution! I was wondering why it was taking so long.
Duh... why didn't I think of that...?
They also sell an applicator so you can use the infrared light in your mouth. I don't know if it has the Nogier frequencies. They sell it at Elixa.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Bejoy, so you're saying that you made a personal remedy from the DB tester vial using your new potentiser?
RE cancer and photon therapy..... does anyone have Carcinosin (or Carcinosinum - nosode made from breast cancer) to test with? (There's also a `mixed' cancer nosode called Carcinosin Co. I've got several potencies of these, but no light and no Dr. Bobber.)
You guys ALL amaze me. And it's SO NICE to be able to read about your experiences here at LymeNet.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Okay, I have to ask this......
Does anybody `vibrate' after taking a homeopathic remedy?
It doesn't happen with every remedy, and I only notice it if I take a remedy close to when I fall asleep.
The first time it happened was early on when I made up an autonosode out of my own blood. I took a dose and it made me SO sleepy, and I drifted off..... I awoke shortly thereafter thinking that we were having an earthquake! Or I thought maybe my furnace was about to blow up!! Seriously! It can be VERY intense.
That first time, after a few seconds of being awake, some calm part of me said, ``It's okay. It's just the remedy working....''
It's usually my whole body, but sometimes mostly just my head feels the vibration.
I asked my homeopath if any of her other clients had this reaction and she said no one had reported anything like this.
Anybody else?
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
I'll start this reply by answering Selma, I tested my belly button not the solar plexus for vials. Sorry not to of answered sooner, Selma my apologies.
Tracy, I haven't had anything that earth shattering yet with homeopathics. But, I'm a lot newer to the game.
So, as you know, I've been trying to somewhat influence the biochemistry in my body through diet. A simple diet, essentially targeting the reduction of salt and an increase of potassium. A diet also high in enzyme content yet low in proteins. After 1 week and based on really high numbers from allopathic test autoimmune antibodies. I decided to see an LLND who specializes in both energy medicine and homeopathy. So, I'm now taking a good number of bundled remedies.
The doctor determined I had micoplasma infection and either my body might still be fighting lyme. I don't believe lyme is still there but if it is, it is and I'll deal with it.
So, I'm taking some ``Unda'' products 40, 44, 219, 240, and 273 as well as one for body type ``tuberculin''. Deseret biologicals mycoplasma, liquiesence-c, Radtox and I should pick up 6 borrelia vials soon. So, I'm fighting myco, borrelia in some way, emf (radtox), rebuilding pathways, improving respiration, oxygenation(liquiesence), relaxing the body, as well as restimulating hair growth.
All of this is prescription based on her first assessment. I was pretty amazed at the amount of information she gained from our first meeting. And how aggressively she treats with homeopathics. Don't really want to comment quite yet on the changes I'm experiencing. I will say I'm better then I was, but I didn't feel that bad!
Sorry I've not commented much in this thread, I'm in one of those voids, something like a chrysalis, not sure what is going to pop out just yet. Let you know, hopefully I won't pop as another quasimoto. lol
Wishing you all the best --
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Tracy, I don't know if I virtually vibrate as you describe. I know my body wants to dance, like in soft movements from the column upwards, a bit like as though I had a snake tryging to dance and come up from my spine.
It happened many times. But not only with homeopathics, also with certain herbs, teas...
Or a sort of 'electrical shock' feeling, yes, I had that. It happens mostly with homeopathics, I think.
Or a profound feeling of quietness, or feeling relax to the bones. I guess dr. K people call that the 'yin state'.
Or sometimes, I feel almost like fainting, I have to lay somewhere and wait for the effect to go. This happened many times after rubbing some Sanum homeopathics (the Polysans).
Sometimes, I feel though nothing, to tell you the truth. -----
We're on andrographis D6 today. Husband caught strep (or more precisely, staphilostrep) and andrographis is testing good. So I diluted it to D6 and it tests BETTER than the original herb in powder.
I feel I'm cathing it too, so I started too on this D6 dilution. No bitter taste. It is certainly homeopathic only, quite a strong feeling after taking it...
I'm having some intuition to dilute both andrographis and cats claw to K dilutions and test to see if I can take these higher dilutions with my photon treatment against borrelia. No idea though... ---
Sparkle, good luck! You got to go higher until the highest potencies don't test. The lowest potencies stop testing quite fast, we are taking much longer with higher dilutions of borrelia and autonosodes.
--- Another interesting experiment I'm doing, on the photon field around our bodies. Incredibly, my photon field tests for photon treatment too! So it means, that when I'm using nosodes, I am also testing for the surrounding field of light my body emits and it is amazing, this field tests as wanting infrared.
So I'm applying infrared from my body outwards too, at the end of the treatment. Or sometimes, in between 'empty spaces' like the V formed under the arm and our bodies, or just in front of our bodies (like about a hand or two of distance, to all sides).
Behind the kidney, in front of the belly, in front of our faces, upwards from top of the head, etc... I feel definitively somethign when I do the treatment like that, quite relaxing and strong.
I gotta make some drawings to explain...
-- I continuously ask if I can use the homeopathics (not isopathics) on my solar plexus and am getting negatives. It always points to my 3rd eye.
so today, I put Berberis D6 on that point and applied photons all over. Wonderful feeling. My eyes seemed to be seeing better. I imediately thought of BEJOY, as she's having troubles with Myc. TB. in her eyes. Berberis is testing for me to help me clear Myc TB, the little that is left.
I didn't know I had it in my eyes, but I think there's something going on in that area...
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I don't know too much about these sots of treatments other than my own... it's really amazing what you guys are doing.
Tracy- you don't need an expensive bobber or BioTensor. You can just use a simple pendulum. In a pinch, you can make one yourself with stuff you can find at home. A string & a key or paperclip might work?
Also- my husband "vibrates" alot & he doesn't use homeopathic remedies. He doesn't have Lyme, either. I'm not sure what it is but it may be associated with EMFs or HAARP. That's my guess on what it's about...
Bob- that seems like alot of products to be treating with at one time. Are you using the infrared light to ingest them? I had a big response just from the DB mycoplasma set.
Selma- The DB mycoplasma set starts with the high dilutions. 200 was the first, then 100... etc. Do you usually begin with the low ones? Thanks for the info about the bio-field!
I tried sending some healing to you guys & everyone at Lymenet with my bobber. It actually was doing something! It kind of freaked me out but it seems to work as far as I could see... It was in a search mode for a while & then it started going up & down to indicate it was done. I'm going to have to experiment with this further!
It's really amazing what you can do with it. There are 3 or 4 distinct modes - there's the yes & no & then there's a "search" mode or maybe a "don't know" mode. It seems to go in a circular motion. I'll have to play with it a bit more to see if there's a pattern.
Today, I was indicated to go back on the Cowden herbs & stop the Innovita group... not the Cowden killing ones, just the clearing & support herbs like Adrenal, Trace Minerals, Burbur, Pinella, Enula, etc.
I found it very interesting that some people are using the Cowden herbs as homeopathic dilutions or something in between... I'm wondering how this began. Did Dr. Cowden come up with it or was it started by someone else?
I'm going to have to study this further. I don't quite understand about this but I get it a little. There's so much to learn!
BTW - I've been testing to no Lyme & yes mycoplasmas...
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Tracy, I actually made a series remedy from Ergopathics tester specifically for Borellia Garinii. (Most homeopathic or nosode treatments you can buy are just for Borrelia Burgdorferi, not the other Borrelia strains.)
Ergopathics vials are not meant for treatment, but I am allowed to play with them if I want. I usually like to use DesBio right out of the bottle, because they are potentised, and good as is.
I "vibrate" or get a bit dizzy when I come in contact with a deep allergy, or negative systemic reaction to something. I wonder if your autonosode contains lots of information about substances your body is not tolerating, and that disrupt your regulation.
Brussels, I'll look at a berberis homeopathic. Thanks.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Thanks, Bejoy. I do understand about the `test' vials vs. ingestible remedies, etc. I just wondered if you used your new machine to do it, and I think you must have. Pretty handy little machine!
Oh, it wasn't just my autonosode that this happened with - many, many remedies do this. It is rather a pleasant sensation, once the `fear' of it is gone. It makes me feel very much alive, as though I'm connected to some very powerful energy and it's coursing through my whole body..... And it's all `internal' - I'm not actually shaking or vibrating on the outside, even though it feels like I should be.
Selma, thanks for reporting your `sensations' from various herbs and remedies. I, too, have some of those reactions, and sometimes nothing at all, as you say.
Bob, `autoimmune antibodies' to WHAT, exactly (what `category' of diseases/ailments)? Did you expect this?
I'm very interested in hearing about your new treatment, Mr. Quasimodo.... I hope you'll post about it when you are ready to do so. So, you are taking several remedies at once? I know that Luvs2ride's practitioner had her on a number of remedies at one time.
Sparkle, I can see where EMFs could cause a `vibration' in some people. But this ONLY happens with remedies, for me. Never had anything remotely like this in my life. And it usually means I've got my hands on a `right' remedy in the right potency at the right point in time.
Well, I probably have 10 pendulums around here someplace..... every substance and configuration you can imagine. I wasn't satisfied with prior attempts, but I could practice with them again.....
Do you guys `test' your accuracy with your bobbers? Shouldn't there be a simple way to do that before you eat a food or take a supplement based on what the bobber says? Like some questions to ask that you could check the answers pretty quickly? (I can't seem to come up with any good questions to ask to do this.)
RE the `imprinted' Cowden herbals: I've sent an e-mail to Derek Clontz over at myherbs.com to see if he knows anything.....they sell a LOT of Nutramedix products. I don't know if he'll write back. It's been ages since I spoke to him.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Tracy, I'm glad to hear that this is a pleasant sensation, and not an allergy type reaction. I don't think I've experienced it though.
Yes, I am using my potentiser to make remedies out of energy signatures from test vials, and they seem to work and test well for me. It was a very good investment.
How these machines can possibly work is beyond my imagination. But then again, so is homeopathy and dousing, but I rely on them.
As for testing accuracy, have you read TerryK's article on dousing? It is very good, but you can only get it from her or somebody who has it by PDF email because of the way it was published.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Having a big response from the mycoplasma vial #2. This is the 2nd time I've done it. Flu-like symptoms, chest congestion, anxiety, increased pain...
It kind of feels like I'm putting my head in the lion's mouth... like at the circus. Each time we do this we are subjecting ourselves to these dangerous pathogens so our body can figure out a way to deal with them.
I have confidence this will pass & eventually my body will work out a way to rid this pathogen from my system.
It is kind of scary... mycoplasmas are no joke! I must say that the Asyra test really hit the mark with mycoplasmas. I don't think I would be going through this reaction if it wasn't an issue.
I would have not know to treat this without having the inexpensive test done with the Asyra... I spent 10s of thousands on standard blood tests. I'm amazed at how inaccurate they have been.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Oh, so many posts... I hope I'll answer everyone. Spring is coming, we're busy with gardening...
Sparkle: As for dilutions of nosodes, I think the logic goes like: start with the less concentrated (lower numbers, like 5X, 6X...) to higher ones (like 100X, 200X and C potencies).
If you started the other way around, it is not TOO bad, but it won't solve well the problem to the root in MY opinion. (Tracy please give your opinion!).
The highest the dilution, the more you are in the 'energy' field. The lowest, it's more on the actual matter, so fighting real pathogens...
You'll see a pattern in the testing, slowly, the lowest potencies stop testing, the higher remain longer.
Now for borrelia, I'm on D100, D200, C30, C200, but not on lowest. And antibodies of borrelia, I don't test for lower than D60 (only D60, the highest I have is testing).
My daughter stopped using the antibodies for good, and is ONLY on C30 and C200. The rest, she's 'free', at least for the moment.
Bob and Sparkle: Yes, mycoplasmas, babesia, bartonella are difficult critters to get rid of. In our experience here at home, if you have these, you STILL have borrelia hidden. Of course, we didn't do the photon treatment before, but if you go the normal way, killing borrelia with herbs and INGESTED homeopathics, borrelia WILL show up in the end.
It hapenned so many times for both me and daughter, and it is one of Dr. K.'s theories. Borrelia is the last to go, maybe because it is the smallest?? Only with photons, that could be different though as we're reading about others who did dr. W's treatment.
My daughter stopped testing for all the 8 tick born coinfections. Except for borrelia. So we're on it. It was mycoplasma (called ureaplasma) that was the main infection in her knee, now it is dormant.
-- The experience with the surrounding biofield is going on. Try to test with the bobber if you need light IN BETWEEN arm and trunk, both legs open, in front of the knee downwards pointing to the feet, area all around the head. First test it pointing to the area around, then test from the body outwards. Amazing feeling. I feel this really COMPLETES the photon treatment, if done in the end. A profound feeling of peace.
I still test on 3rd eye for all homeopathics that are not nosodes... Thanks for your guesses, Bejoy and Bob! I'll keep asking about these points.
-- Bob, we're all curious to know how you react to the new homeopathics! -- Sparkle, pm me and we can exchange intercontinental treatment techniques!
I hope your herxes get better.
Thanks for sending us good energy!!! -- Tracy, about accuracy, I didn't really understand your question...
Another comment on the way I feel I take homeopathics with photons. The reaction is not immediate, let's say, I had to lie on the sofa about 4 hours after taking Ubichinon +citrokehl +coenzyme comp through photons today.
This is very strange. When I ingest the mix, I just feel some sort of wellneess, I calm down, sometimes I shiver from inside as you describe.
But with photons, it seems I feel less clearly at the moment of photon application (it is MUCH more in the energy field, I suppose). But the effect is stronger as you can see (I had to sleep for about 1 hour and a half after that). Then I won't need the intake from this mix for days, if not a week!
With ingestion, I never had that excessively tired feeling. A bit, but not to even 10% of what I felt today, for example.
With ingestion, my body keeps asking for this mix on and on WITHOUT END. At least, this Heel mix has been a must for me since my lyme woke up again in January.
the good news is that I am finally not testing for the lowest borrelia dilutions, only D100, D200 and C30, C200... So something is working. My daughter is only needing the C30 and C200 of borrelia, and the interval of treatment is getting so spaced in between.
I still have some numbness coming and going, but now only in the fingers (not anymore on my whole right arm). I know this is related to one accupuncture point (V in between the thumb and index), so I only need to tap it for about 3 seconds and the numbness is gone. I can't take anything to kill borrelia, so I'm not taking.
Another good news is that we stopped almost all cleansers, ingested I mean. No more chlorella, no more bear garlic. The only ingestable things we are taking are one homeopathic substance ART tested for organ support, magnesium homeopathic, and sometimes I still add rechtsregulat homeopathic for me and daughter. And that's it!!!!
My liver is not stressed anymore. Somehow I think the Heel mix is working slowly.
I added Berberis, I think this was good.
Bejoy, don't buy Berberis, I'll put it in the box for you. Berberis is fighting more than Myc TB for me, because I gained on rash similar to EM rash since I started it, but I can't figure out what pathogen it is.
Not borrelia, nor bart, nor TB... It reacts with Thyme oil, that is why I know this is a pathogen, it makes a long line and some funny figures on my tigh... I left it for almost 2 days, today I started thyme and it is fading...
My eyes are really seeing 'better', I suspect they were affected with TB like Bejoy. My fingers are all looking better, no more TB wounds. Wow, it took time to fight Myc. TB.
another note for the ones fighting Candida albicans. The combination nosodes plus L-form nosodes is very good. I only take these ingested, and candida goes dormant after one or two days. If it doesn't go dormant on the first day, then I add a light diet (no sugar, but I don't control carbs or fruits). I also also add Nogier on tummy to help.
I've been doing that for a while as candida, mucor racemosus, mucor mucedo etc come and go... I can only ingest nosodes, as they don't test good with photons as I'm with other treatments with photons. So far, they didn't invade my body and got back to dormant...
Gotta go, my daughter is calling!
[ 03-01-2009, 03:37 PM: Message edited by: Brussels ]
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
The Deseret Biologicals start with the higher dilutions first. That's the way they are meant to be taken. I'm not sure what the logic is but I can see it could work. I don't know what the classical approach is... It's kind of confusing to me but either way could make sense if you think about it.
I tested to ingest the remedy via the solar plexus. I asked about other possible areas & it said to do it at the solar plexus. I have only taken the mycoplasma remedy this way - not any other things.
It may be different for different remedies? I ordered the lymph drainage remedy from Heel - so, I'll see when it gets here.
I am also testing NO for using the LightWorks in any other way then to absorb the remedy.
I test to only treat mycoplasmas now - I may still have Bb but it is or may be dormant. I don't know if we can ever completely get rid of it. I think that mycoplasmas are smaller than Bb.
Thank you, Sparkle, for the info on the heel products.:-) Robin
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Tracy the two tests were thyroid microsomal ab, titer, ser, qn, latex and thyroglobulin ab, both results were through the roof. They are both blood tests an endo had ordered. It seems these are generally quite high when there is an active infection going on. I'm curious what it will be next month. Now that I'm actively going after mycoplasma which I now believe was eating a way at my endocrine system. The problem I've had is my TSH on my thyroid is through the roof, but I really energetically test negatively for any of the thyroid medicines. And when ever I take them I have really bad side effects. Despite this TSH test, I'm not as big as house with a very slow metabolism, instead my energy seems to be ok and I've lost a couple of pounds over the last month.
What is quite interesting, my TSH was fine oct 2007, actually perfect at 1.3 without meds. Prior to that it was about 5.5 way too high, so I holistically got it down to normal. Then I got bit by another tick January 2008. Had a western blot done and of course lyme was negative. But my TSH was 55, a month later a doctor energetically tested for pathogens and announced I had a mycoplasma infection and gave me Mt. Capra's capracite to get rid of it. It wasn't till recent discussion did it occur that I still had this infection and it might be affecting me still.
So my choice is to allow allopathic medicine to treat me with synthroid which I've had adverse reactions too. Or find someone who is very good with homeopathic medicine. We all know what I chose to do.
It hasn't been quite two weeks in doing this treatment. And, I'm testing very well for all of it so far. I've had several mild herxes each day this past week. They all occurred late in the afternoon for about 2 hours and go away. I also feel even better then I did before, but still way too soon to say. What is interesting, I energetically tested how much longer I should do these. As of today, I should only use these homeopathic remedies for about 11 days. One ends Wednesday another Friday the rest 11 days.
One thing I left out in my last post, she recommended me to get borrelia vials to ingest (I'll be picking up 6 of them Monday). I guess this speaks to Selmas point about borrelia is the last to go. I really don't believe lyme is active or dormant in my body still. Instead I believe the proteins from borrelia are still littered in my body, stored deep within the tissues. And the only way to get rid of it, are with these nosodes, at least that is my hope.
I'm guessing if you take a lot of homeopathic remedies at once, it should be in short duration only. I'm guessing some who might not do well with them, stay on them too long and do more damage then good. I feel very comfortable with my energetic testing.
I was doing this really restricted diet which ended yesterday. A high potassium diet, which I feel super energized from! Plus I've lost a few pounds. The high TSH doesn't make sense unless you add micoplasma to the equation. I'll have another TSH test in about two weeks.
Right now I'm seriously considering getting a PE1 - so Selma any encouragement would be appreciated! This new practioner, seems very interested in getting one for her practice, we'll see. If she gets one, I could evaluate it first against the lightworks I have.
And thanks all of you for putting such a wonderful thread of information.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Sorry, I forgot to mention this very important point. Before I saw the doctor, I suspected micoplasma. So, I energetically asked if I had a micoplasma infection. The answer was an absolute NO! When I got the micoplasma remedy from deseret biologicals. I got a yes!
Another point, even if you kill all the bacteria in your body. You still need to treat until all the remnants of the bacteria are gone. The toxins here aren't metals, instead they are proteins. The best way to get rid of these proteins is with enzymes and the right enzymes. And you still need the frequency of the remedy to target the proteins.
Also, a high potassium diet might reboot your metabolism.
Well Tracy, am I at least smarter than quasimodo.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Try to test it before you get one, Bob. Or L. can send you for a while to test and you only have to pay the shipment if you don't like it! I can't say too much as I don't owe a LW to compare!!
I like my PE1 so far... It will make me save tons as I mostly ingest things through photons!
I hope your thyroid stabilizes, Bob. Great to know you feel even better!
as for future tests with bobber... keep testing as future test is not as precise as present time testing...
-- Funny Sparkle, that DB proposes the other way around...
what I did was I photoon ALL THE VIALS at once, and with the time, the ones that still test are the highest potency ones... The lowest stop testing fast.
It happened to both autonosodes and to borrelia nosodes. Both for me and my daughter.
with ingested nosodes, Sanum ones, we only use a single dilution, from 3X , 5X or 6X (depending on the product) and they also help like that... -- My lyme doctor lesson to me:
X potencies work well for any acute infection
C potencies are very strong, and work very long term, in weeks or months, so be careful
LM potencies are very weak, they work well for chronic conditions and the time they work is usually one day, no more, so they are safe and milder.
gotta go again, thank you all for participating too in the thread and experimenting!
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Thought I'd post the entire ingredient list:
5 drops 3 times a day
* Capsicum annuum (Cayenne Pepper).......4 X * Pilocarpus jaborandi (Jaborandi).......4 X * Thymus vulgaris (Garden Thyme).......4 X * Urtica urens (Dwarf Nettle).......4 X * Aurum metallicum (Metallic Gold).......12 X * Cuprum metallicum (Copper).......12 X * Arctostaphylos uva-ursi (Bearberry).......4 X * Genista scoparia (Common Broom).......4 X * Inula helenium (Elecampane).......4 X * Juniperus communis (Juniper).......4 X * Solanum dulcamara (Common Nightshade).......4 X * Stigmata ma�dis (Corn Silk).......4 X * Argentum metallicum (Silver).......12 X * Aurum metallicum (Metallic Gold).......12 X * Crataegus oxyacantha (Hawthorn).......4 X * Lactuca virosa (Wild Lettuce).......4 X * Passiflora incarnata (Passionflower).......4 X * Thymus vulgaris (Garden Thyme).......4 X * Valeriana officinalis (Valerian).......4 X * Equisetum arvense (Horsetail).......6 X * Gentiana lutea (Gentian).......6 X * Salvia officinalis (Sage).......6 X * Saxifraga granulata (Meadow Saxifrage).......6 X * Spiraea ulmaria (Meadowsweet).......6 X
8 drops 3 times a day - energetically tested
Mycoplasma hominis 6, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 30, 60, 100, 200 all x Mycoplasma salivarum 6, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 30, 60, 100, 200 all x
5 drops twice a day
* Tuberculinum Denys (Denys B.F.).......12 X * Serum Marmoreck.......12 X
Cuprum metallicum 200K 3 pellets 3 times a day
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
That's big big list, Bob. Are you taking these with the infrared light or orally? How do they come up with so many different things to put together.
I always thought you were only supposed to use 1 or 2 homeopathic remedies at a time. This may be a "classical" approach. Maybe things are different now?
I have to get my thyroid checked, too. I noticed my eyebrow lost some hair - I think this can indicate a thyroid issue.
I was taking some compounded thyroid medication from a compounding pharmacy a while back. My thyroid improved so I stopped. Have you tried that? How about Kelp or iodine?
The remedy set from DB has a number of different strains together at the same dilution - it's a little different than the other way of doing it.
I have to give it all some thought. The mycoplasma remedy does seem to be doing something... I hope it's actually helping.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Sparkle -- I'm taking them orally right now. I intend to take them with light soon.
I have some days I feel absolutely great now. I think these remedies are helping.
I have armour and synthroid in the cabinet. Every now and then I test positive for armour. The last time I tested positively for it was two weeks ago.
I really feel my thyroid is working just fine. I think there is a communication break down between my pituatary and the thyroid. Or my ability to sense TSH is compromised. Micoplasma can do that.
Actually many of these are in combination of 9 bottles of remedies. I posted the bottles before, the manufacturer of most of these are "Unda".
The mycoplasma remedy I'm using is multiple strains and multiple dilutions and it is from DB. It just not the series set.
One thing the doctor noticed, is that I had way too much copper in me. Not surprising having both lyme and mercury issues. Getting copper out was a priority.
Most of the remedies I'm taking now will stop in about 11 days except the DB one.
It funny, I felt pretty good even before the homeopathics. We'll see!
Thanks Sparkle... B
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Bejoy, thank you for reminding me about TerryK's article..... I had to do some digging, but yes, I do have the article and I looked it over, once again. There are some terrific tips there for `setting the stage' properly when trying to muscle test (or using a pendulum, though I know they are different). Very, very helpful.
Unfortunately, I did not find what I was looking for.
Selma, let me give everyone a very poor example of what I'm talking about, as a way to test accuracy before `accepting' any answers.
Assuming you've done preliminary work and are ready to muscle test yourself or use the biotensor, etc..... if there are no problems and your testing is accurate, then something like this might happen..... Let's say you hold a fresh, washed apple in your L hand (or near your chest/throat area) and ask something like, ``Is this something that is good for me to eat today?'', you would probably get a `yes'. If you hold a bottle of household cleaner and ask, ``Is this something that would be good for me to drink today?'', you would probably get a `no'.
That was a pretty simplistic example, but in other words, there should be some substances out there that ALWAYS test `yes' or `no' for virtually everyone. And, really, to eliminate any bias, it would be best if you didn't know what substances/foods you were testing. Ideally, it would be great to put these `universal' substances into little vials for testing so that you could turn the labels away from your view. You could not be `biased' for or against any vial because you wouldn't know what was in there.
Do you all see what I'm talking about?
Selma, I definitely get VERY drowsy and relaxed with certain remedies - especially when I first start taking it - which is one of the reasons I often take a dose near bedtime of any remedy that I am currently taking (well, there are exceptions, like Bellis-per., which can cause sleeplessness if taken too close to bedtime). If I don't get sleepy within 10 minutes, it's probably not a good remedy for me and won't do much for me. Now, if reactions like that are STRONGER with the photons, I can understand why so many people feel a bit `wiped out' after treatment!
More in a bit...
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Sparkle, that Asyra test is tempting..... thanks for posting about it awhile back, BTW. I know Gigi prefers the A-I testing, but it's more expensive and definitely more hassle. And call me crazy, but I'm even tempted by the Healers Who Share testing, which I think runs about $100. I'd love to do them ALL, and compare results!
I've always been a bit confused by the `reverse order' of taking the DB nosode series remedies..... as Selma said, the most accepted `contemporary' way of taking homeopathics - especially for chronic conditions - has been to start with low potencies and work upward to the higher ones. This is especially true if the `vitality' of the patient is low; high potencies are too strong for someone debilitated by illness. Thus, the lower potencies are `gentler' on a depleted system. And I think Selma is right - it seems that the lower potencies work more on the `physical' plane, the higher potencies work on the more `energetic' planes of healing.
There must be a reason why DB designs some of their series remedies this way..... but I've never found an explanation at their website except that they find that it works.
Sparkle, you said: ``Having a big response from the mycoplasma vial #2. This is the 2nd time I've done it. Flu-like symptoms, chest congestion, anxiety, increased pain... I don't think I would be going through this reaction if it wasn't an issue.''
I honestly don't know what to think about this.... Many `provers' of homeopathic remedies have lots of reactions but it doesn't mean it is a remedy they `needed'. So, to say that reacting to a remedy/nosode means that there is an `issue' there may not be the right conclusion. Factor in the use of photons and the question becomes very murky indeed.
Also, Derek at myherbs.com is looking into the `imprinted' Samento and Cumanda products. He's heard all kinds of rumors, too, and he said he'd be in touch this week.
Thanks for your response, Bob - hope I wasn't too `nosy' for asking about the autoimmune thing.... wow, I can't believe the fluctuations in your TSH! I'm really glad you're looking at this from another viewpoint and not just as a `deficiency of thyroid hormone'. Especially if your symptoms don't quite fit. I'm convinced that sometimes the receptor sites get blocked for various reasons, so the body has to produce more hormone to get the job done! It WILL be interesting to see what happens with mycoplasma treatment.
Now it is also interesting that you didn't `test' for mycoplasma until you had the actual vials..... I guess those pesky test vials are pretty important, yes? Is that your conclusion, also?
That's some list of `ingredients' in your remedies, Bob - thanks for posting those! Definitely not the `classical' approach but this is similar to what Luvs2ride did and she had major improvements within a short period. And Selma - and others - are using similar combination products. Seems to be the coming `thing' with homeopathics. And I presume the Cuprum metallicum is for the copper issue..... interesting. There's a European practitioner who thinks Cuprum-met is one of the primary remedies of our modern time.....
Selma, quite interesting what your Lyme doc said about the X, C, and LM potencies.....
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
As to why Borrelia is usually the last to go..... well, as crazy as it might sound, I think it must be because it is the WEAKEST of all the infections/conditions we accumulate as a result of `Lyme'. I think the `strength' of Borrelia lies in the fact that it flies under the radar, operating at a low level - or in isolated areas - while the body is actively fighting all the other junk that lands in our `terrain'.
According to homeopathic tenants, the body will only `react' to one disease at a time. So, whatever constitutes the strongest disease in the body is the one that the body will `fight'. And there are some exceptions, but this is the basis of homeopathic medicine.
This is from Hahnemann's Organon of Medicine:
quote:``AND THUS IT IS WITH ALL DISSIMILAR DISEASES; THE STRONGER SUSPENDS THE WEAKER (when they do not complicate one another, which is seldom the case with acute diseases), BUT THEY NEVER CURE ONE ANOTHER.''
``......the weaker, will be kept back and suspended by the accession of the stronger one, until the latter shall have run its course or been cured, and then the old one reappears UNCURED.''
Now, doesn't that sound like what happens with Lyme? You get one `bug' on the run, and the symptoms of another pop up. Makes perfect sense in homeopathic philosophy.
Two dissimilar diseases CAN join to from a complex disease, which could be what is happening with Lyme. And not everyone will have the same `combination', hence such vast differences in symptoms and manifestations.
In any event, what homeopathic remedies do is introduce a STRONGER, SIMILAR disease to the one manifesting in the body.
quote: ``..... [neither] can two SIMILAR diseases ...... EXIST BESIDE EACH OTHER in the same organism, or together form a DOUBLE complex disease.''
and then this:
quote:``....two diseases - differing...in kind, ...but very SIMILAR in their phenomena and effects and in the sufferings and symptoms they severally produce - invariably annihilate one another whenever they meet together in the [host] organism; THE STRONGER DISEASE...... ANNIHILATES THE WEAKER......''
So, the basic idea is this: When we take a CORRECT remedy for a given ailment, we are introducing a SIMILAR DISEASE into our system that is STRONGER than the one we want to eradicate or prevent. It's almost like a `decoy' so the body turns to the stronger, energetic disease rather than the `real' disease.
If used for treatment, then the physical disease and the `energetic disease' tend to wipe each other out. If used for prevention, the stronger energetic disease `plugs the hole' so that a similar, weaker, physical disease cannot get in (or if it does, it will be a much weaker manifestation). The energetic disease is simply energy that goes away over time.
Well, I hope that didn't confuse everybody. This similar/dissimilar and weaker/stronger disease thing took me awhile to digest. But I do think this is what happens with Borrelia..... it is at the bottom of the heap as far as being a `weak' disease, but perhaps it serves as the foundation for all the other bugs that pile on top of it. So, it's always the bug left still standing. Just my theories, of course.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Tracy -- thanks sooo much for your analysis. I do feel there is a communication issue as you described as receptor sites. I'm thinking micoplasma can coat the sides of the site and prevent coupling by changing the protein with the site itself. So in a way, the thyroid might be healthy but cannot recieve messages. The body is confused and sends out antibodies to correct the problem. Once the body is told to look for these micoplasma via the remedy. It creates apoptosis within each infected cell, kills the bacteria and builds a new cell.
It is my conclusion, the body can have a stealth infection and these remedies tell the body there is an infection. The body is like a database of experiences, even inherited ones. These stealth bacteria aren't in the bodies database until a frequency is given to the body to match.
Here's something to ponder, the Gerson diet centers around a high potassium diet. I took these homeopathics during a chemical change in my body based on diet, just remember I bought the juices instead of juicing. Not just a light change but an avalanche of potassium pushing out sodium. In otherwords the body like any fluid can be overwhelmed chemically. The potassium may force the body to be slightly more alkaline and the amount of change although minor may affect the survivability of pathogens.
Its funny, the practioner also has a diet you have to be on in order to take the homeopathic treatments. It was also high potassium diet. Although the diet I was doing was way higher in potassium then what was recommended. Just a theory I suppose.
Today, I feel great, slept well last night, shoveled snow this morning and right now I'm at work feeling still energized. So, I'm not quite having the same impact as luvs2ride.
One last point, I'm going to spend some time with the list of remedies and my biotensor and do an assessment of each remedy. What do you guys think? Would that be useful?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks for your input, Tracy! I'll have to think about it. It was the Asyra that suggested the mycoplasma set.
I'm going to have to give what you said some thought & see what the bobber says. I don't know why one would treat the energetic level prior to the physical... Maybe there's a reason for it? I already started this way. I could contact DB & ask them... maybe tomorrow?
When I dowse the remedies, I don't really care what the reply is. If it's yes or no - it doesn't make much of a difference to me, emotionally. I don't care if I have to take one remedy or supplement over the other. It's just odd that they do seem to get very obvious responses.
You can actually dowse blind. Just put everything in similar bags or write it's name on pieces of paper & turn them over so you can't see the words. Write the response on the paper & turn them over when you're done.
Good to hear you are doing well, Bob! It's really inspiring... I have to admit I'm a little jealous. I guess we all have our own paths we have to take.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
ps - There is an influence of a disbelieving mind on testing psi phenomena... (re: testing a cleaning product to see if it's good to eat as opposed to an apple) If a scientist testing this sort of thing doesn't believe in it - it can influence the results of the test. There have been some studies about this.
We want to be able to test things like the bobbers, dowsing, etc. but it's not necessarily 100% scientific. I think it's considered an art more than a science.
Even "proven" science is disproven in time for some subjects (like the earth being flat or the sun going around the earth, etc.). So, it isn't completely subjective, either.
There is an element of "belief" here. I recently heard that the placebo effect makes up around 30% of all healing in medicine. Just something to consider...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I'm with Sparkle for the testing. This is not mathematics. I guess one can trust tests only by doing them.
A bit like playing an instrument. How to trust the response your instrument will give you by doing this or that movement? Only by doing and listening, then you try in another way, and listen, and then after a while, your body will be doing the movements without thinking. You will know your instrument only after practicing.
The mind can change the results... If you think that the detergent is in fact a nice fresh juice, it will probably test good !
Of course, you can practice with anything. Is my name Tracy? Am I 35 years old? Is the name of my cat... ? And so on.
Tracy, thanks a lot for your explanations!!
I wonder if borrelia is the weakest AND/or the mastermind, in fact, the one that works in the background and no one sees it, a bit in the shade...
I 'see' more and more people contaminated with borrelia around me (I just test them energetically) but most don't seem to have any symptoms that are visible. I don't scare them though. Most are kids. Before I told their parents, but now, as no one believes on energetic tests, I don't tell anyone. Besides, they aren't sick, so...
another thing that came to my mind. The treatment that Bob wrote, with strong dilutions of mixed substances... That is very similar to what Heel does.
I wonder if this is not something really to be considered a sort of 'in-between field' in homeopathy, where the actual herb/substance information is still present (not below the Avogadro numbers like is mostly the case for classic homeopathy treatments...).
So some sort of in between homeopathy and actual plant/substance.....
My classic homeopath would NEVER recommend me more than one substance a day. It never happened so far...
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
The problem is a quantum one, the dual slit experiment illustrates the problem. Especially with the use of an observer.
Another point: I think you can take lots of homeopathics simultaneously if you are ready for them. The only way to tell is through energetic testing in my mind.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
"The observer collapsed the wave function simply by observing!"
That was a good one Bob!
I had seen that before, but it is always good to see it again.
It IS mysterious, isn't it??
I guess placebo effect too has much more to give us than we imagine today!! No kidding! Thanks for posting this video.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
This is a great point Selma:
quote:I 'see' more and more people contaminated with borrelia around me (I just test them energetically) but most don't seem to have any symptoms that are visible. I don't scare them though. Most are kids. Before I told their parents, but now, as no one believes on energetic tests, I don't tell anyone. Besides, they aren't sick, so...
What we don't see is the energy being stolen slowly from there bodies. Lyme is like a vampire until you get to the point the body can't defend itself against other pathogens. Its a matter of time.
I don't think this pathogen is as virulent as its going to be. It is still mutating.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Bob, you may be right... But these kids are still MUCH stronger than me and my daughter, as we can't be symptomless if we have active borrelia like them. I know some for years, and they still test positive for borrelia after all these years.
On the other hand, I'm glad there are photons to give these kids back their energy the day they will need it. If their parents are open enough, I mean, to try these alternative therapies...
The photons do wonderful things in terms of energy. Even to the very bad cases, of decades of energy depletion like me! I am still amazed to see it. If photons were not THE missing bullet for me, they are not that far...
If this is either due to better cell communication OR if the photons bring energy on their own, I don't know. But the energy boost I get with photons, no matter what type of treatment I do (with or without nosodes, cleaning or killing) is truly one of the most amazing thing that happened to me in the last 2 decades, "healthwise" speaking!
No plant, no food, no supper supplement, sunny vacations, D-galaktose, microcurrent, immune boosting plants, accupuncture session, absolutely nothing compares to what these infrared LEDs are bringing to me. It's subtle energy, difficult to explain...
I'm still learning. I slept less than 5 hours for sure yesterday because my daughter caught another cold. Nothing too bad, but the fever keeps her awaken.
I felt tired at around 17.00 today. So I decided to do very short Nogier sessions (about 3-5 seconds in certain accupuncture points). Total treatment didn't last more than 2-3 minutes, I believe. Amazing. It's almost midnight here, and I have to push myself to go to bed...
the points to give the body energy are a bit different from the points I wrote before. There's one special point that is very important, under the knee. It seems to be our 'center of energy' , it's a point that ALWAYS need boosting in chronic cases (according to a medical doctor who only now does accupuncture).
This photon world is really almost like a perfect marriage between accupuncture /chackra treatments AND homeopathy. But not reduced to it, as Nogier or pulsing light treats muscle pains, articulation pains, teeth pains, GI candida...
I've been using to detox roots of my teeth and I do feel it's bringing very good results. Probably full of toxins from pathogens + decades of mercury poisoning from amalgams...
I'm using it to detox skin that suffered a two decade old persistent infection. Still peeling off. Detoxing the brain, at least part of it that 'tests'...
Today I felt cold, low body temperature, and it seems it's my pineal gland. Then I just did about 2-3 seconds Nogier in the entrance points to it (above ears, and top of the head)... A few hours later I noticed the cold was gone. I know it will eventually come back though... I'm just testing here and then, when I get some idea.
These photons changed the way I see chronic fatigue, crhonic disease, and how to get better from such chronic conditions.
The healing path can be much shorter than what I believed possible. I'm sure we're just in the first steps of finding out what can these photons possibly do.
I was thinking to open another thread on 'what do you think photons helped you?' , with concrete examples... I don't know if we still have enough examples to tell as few people are using it, but surely it will be interesting to know, no matter what technology each of you are using...
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
It's all very interesting... My recent energetic tests show that I can take the supplements but I don't really need them. All I really need to do right now is use the light & the mycoplasma remedy...
I agree that the infrared light brings things to a whole different level. It's hard to really explain it if you haven't experienced it. It's definitely some kind of energy medicine.
I guess I'll know in time if it's working.
Tracy - I really appreciate your scholarly & grounded approach about all of this. It's good to have a diversity of opinions.
It's just that the medical dowsing seems to me to be more accurate than the lab tests I've had. I really do think my body is learning to heal the mycoplasmas judging by the reaction I'm having. That's just what it feels like.
Bob - Maybe your opinion about what you are using is influencing how it effects you? Maybe you need to take a complex remedy? My personality & approach is to simplify things. Maybe this is why I only need to use a few things at a time?
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There's a new film coming out called The Living Matrix exploring some of these new modalities & thoughts in medicine. I haven't seen it, yet. It may be of interest---
On DVD in March 2009, the film features today's most innovative researchers, authors and health practitioners. Among those expanding the boundaries of alternative medicine:
researcher and author of The Field, Lynne McTaggart explains the zero point field and its link to our health
cell biologist and The Biology of Belief author Bruce Lipton talks about what controls our biology -- and it's not our genes
biophysicist James Oschman helps us understand "the living matrix," the dynamic fabric of the body he brought to light
discoverer of the human body field Peter Fraser describes how the body uses holographic information to maintain a state of balanced health.
Posted by heiwalove (Member # 6467) on :
selma, when you talk about the knee point, is it in the front or back of the knee?
also, can you explain how you detox with the photon device? do you use nosodes or just the infrared light?
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I think the field controls everything. If we think the Bb is virulent it will be. If we think it is not, it wont be. I think that is what quantum reality is about. The field. According to Bruce Lipton and others into quantum biology, the field is 100 time stronger than any chemical message. Virulent Bb is a classic example of fear creating a concrete reality, but it the reality truly as concrete as we think it to be or quantumly speaking, co create it to be. Miracles are science that is yet undiscovered. I think the photons and nosodes are leading us in that direction. Take the energy and then dont even ingest it. The energy field is the force (or communication) of change. The idea that life is created through competition is wrong according to quantum reality. Virulance is based on that concept. Life and its progression is based on cooperation between cells and that include microbes. Thats what I am getting. Cells are designed to cooperate as commuities. When rouge elements or dysregulation occurs, we deal with them, but to give them more power through the field, I am thinking is not helpful in the long or short run. Cells close down to growth (includes immune system) in an toxic environment. Fear is a toxin. How to balance that information, I do not know. Robin
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Wait, wait - Bob (or somebody) please tell me what you are seeing in the video..... (I have a Caveman dial-up system and can't watch online videos..... reminds me of the demonstrations where part of the image disappears and goes `somewhere' (providing evidence of Alternate Universes).....?
The sodium/potassium diet issue is an interesting one..... I really do think that there's something about common table salt, for instance, that causes the sodium in it and the foods that it combines with to become like toxins, rather than providing actual elemental sodium that we all need..... thus messing up our electrical/light cellular communication.
Bob, if you assess each remedy, it may confuse more than enlighten..... the combination of all of them may create a whole different, separate frequency, much like what can happen with some chemical combinations......
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
RE `testing' accuracy of biotensors/ pendulums:
Sparkle, yes, `dowsing blind' is what I want to do. I already KNOW that I'm biased regarding foods, supplements, remedies..... even things I've never taken. I actually react to the NAME on some mental level..... attracted to some, repelled by others. I want to eliminate that factor.
Selma, I can't use the examples you gave because I already KNOW the answers! But I certainly understand what you are saying about practicing and getting a `feel' for what is working and what isn't.
Years ago, I was told that on a subconscious level, we already know EVERYTHING happening right now.... so I used to ask questions like, ``Is my cat lying in the bay window right now?'' or ``Is my neighbor's car parked in the driveway right now?''. This did not go well. So, maybe I need to stick to questions that apply to me ONLY.
I could try working more with the kinesiologist here..... she even got a device specifically to test vials of remedies..... I'm working on finding a remedy right now so maybe I'll use the pendulum for my final decision out of the 3-5 possible, and then see what she comes up with when testing those vials..... and we could do it so that neither of us could see the labels.... I like that idea! (Thanks for letting me think out loud about this.)
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Sparkle, I think I'm one of the champions of multiple combinations to deal with lyme and coinfections, and any other problems.
I needed literally hundreds of herbs to reach remission before photons. Literally hundreds, either in forms of plants themselves, or in form of ingestable homeopathics.
I was also a big user of nosodes, borrelia nosodes INCLUDED, but ingested. While on nosodes, I still CRAVED for all those herbs, and the dozens I took a day (I could reach 50 different substances a day EASILY). All muscle tested.
Now with photons, things got easier. Much easier, because I don't need a combo of 4-7 herbs to kill each critter. I don't need extra immune boosters to fight that SAME critter. Before, with INGESTABLE borrelia nosodes, I still NEEDED ALL those herbs, all those immune boosters or immunomodulators.
Now, after taking the nosodes THROUGH photons, I not only test as NOT needing extra herbs, but as I CAN'T take them. I suspect these immuno boosters or extra herbal killers will do the job for my imune system more difficult.
So the numbers fell from dozens of herbs to one or two for cleaning.
BUT when I see what I'm taking to CLEAN through photons, well, the list is as big (or bigger) than Bob's list because the Heel products come in combination.
Even if I'm taking only about 4-5 different products, that I take about once a week each thought photons (so again, not ingested), well, if I see what is inside each product, it is a lot. But as I told you, they aren't really to kill but do other things like cleaning and balancing.
What is interesting for me in these products (Heel, Pekan, or what Bob is taking) is that they are not really HOMEOPATHY in my view, but are in a limbo area somewhere in between actual herbs /chemicals and homeopathy (pure energy).
Hanhneman would probably be a bit uneasy in his tomb now when he sees what type of "homeopathic" remedies we are all taking! I think Hahneman didn't even think nosodes were useful, if my memory is good (or was against the use of nosodes...). --- Heiwalove: to the 'front' of the knee, more to the outside. I 'll check the name of the point in accupuncture...
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Bob, you said: *``I don't think this pathogen is as virulent as its going to be. It is still mutating.''*
Ah, but is it the bug that is mutating..... or are WE changing? Our DNA is being altered by EMFs and toxins in our environment - even emotions can alter our DNA - so sometimes I think maybe we are changing faster than the bugs are.
Selma, interesting point about the low potencies in these combinations..... if you look back in homeopathic history, very low X or D dilutions were often used - 2X, 3X, 4X were fairly common - way below Avogadro's Number. For a very long time, 30C was considered a high potency.....
Also, something else occurred to me about combinations..... at one time, I researched Pekana products (combinations from Germany) and found that they used not only `regular' substances for dilution, but they also burned the substances and used the ASHES as part of the material before diluting it and making remedies! This goes back to the old alchemy methods of `transforming' substances..... Anyway, I wonder if that same practice is used in some of the other brands like Heel or Sanum products..... anyone know?
Selma, you make me want to run out and buy a PE-1! Do you think the information that comes with the PE-1 is sufficient to get started - just for general use? I assume it recommends treatment points and such?
Sparkle, you said: *``Tracy - I really appreciate your scholarly & grounded approach about all of this. It's good to have a diversity of opinions.''*
Thanks. And I think it's important to know some of the `basics', as far as philosophy goes and some of the tenants and ideas about `laws of nature' that seem to have survived for nearly 200 years.
I don't think it's just luck that these ideas haven't yet been disproven, despite the fact that back then they had no real labs or much technology. Their conclusions were based on simple OBSERVANCE of what happened with sick people and healthy people, and how exposure to a disease in cows would protect a healthy person from getting a certain human disease, etc..... and then they `proved' their ideas with simple experimentation (mostly on themselves).
We don't exercise simple observance in our modern world, and even if we do, no one believes it until some clinical trial is done. Look at the vaccine problems; simple observance tells us that there are BIG problems there, in both humans and animals, and yet it is not believed.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Okay, there's something I've just GOT to share with somebody.... I've been excited about this for awhile..... and since the issue of `quantum fields' came up, maybe this fits right in.....
RE homeopathic potencies: Good topic, really - there seems to be no real `standardization', and each country or region has adopted their own `standard'. Here in the USA, the standard C potencies are 6C, 12C, 30C, 200C, 1M, 10M. In France, they seem to like 3C, 5C, 7C, 9C, 12C, 15C, 18C, etc.
I recently read this article by Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD, from New Zealand. He proposes a whole different approach to potency sequences, and I have to say, I am EXTREMELY INTRIGUED by his ideas. He actually tried this new potency series on 32 patients; some were cured rapidly, for others, the cases were ongoing at the time of the article.
The material in his article is copyrighted and it's about 30 pages long with all the graphics, so I'll paraphrase as much as possible, give him credit at the end, and hope I don't violate any copyright laws or force him to sue me.
Rozencwajg was looking for a way to administer remedies that would be rooted in a Law of Nature the same way the Law of Similars or the Law of Gravity are natural, unchangeable laws of nature.
It had to be something..... found under the microscope (like for DNA), in the plant world Broccoli, Cauliflower, Echinacea, etc.), in the animal world (Nautilus Sea shell, Chameleon tail, Butterfly), in the human body (Inner ear), in the astronomical world (a spiral galaxy), in the world of human creations, arts and the human body (Boticelli's Golden Ratio, Leonardo's Golden Ratio), in Modern Mathematics (Chaos, fractals in Mandelbrot's Equation), and the unexplained too (Crop circles).......
In all of these `creations, we find ``the Golden Ratio number'', or Phi, a ratio of 1:1.618, the ``Sacred Number'', known and used since antiquity by many different civilizations, and discovered by Leonardo Fibonacci (1170 -1250).
As the author said, ``......you will find the Fibonacci series and the Golden Ratio everywhere you look, from microcosm to macrocosm, so why not use it in Homeopathy?''
The Fibonacci Series: 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, 233, 377,.... is constructed by adding one number to the previous one, which forms the next in the series: 0 + 1 = 1 1 + 1 = 2 2 + 1 = 3 3 + 2 = 5 5 + 3 = 8 8 + 5 =13 and so on, giving the famous Fibonacci Spiral.
The Golden Ratio which can be seen in the rectangular picture leading to the Fibonacci Spiral is the most harmonious proportion between width and length, always equivalent to the ratio 1:1.618.
In the Fibonacci series, every number divided by the preceding one ``vibrates'' (is approximately equivalent) around this ratio. Using that mathematical progression, the author postulated that he could achieve an exponential action of one dose after the other.
If the first potency used is a 5C (3C not being available or not recommended for toxic substances), here is the C potency equivalent of each remedy in the series because ``not only are they sufficiently close to each other, but the logarithmic progression is itself slowly exponential, which makes it mathematically sound.''
5 = 5C 8C is = 40C equivalent 13C is = 520C equivalent 21C is = 11M equivalent 34C is = 370M equivalent 55C is = 20MM equivalent
Of course to obtain that progression, you must follow the order of one potency after the other in the proper order without skipping any......
``It appears that used in this manner, these are not static potencies, but like in the Fibonacci spiral every potency builds its action upon the previous one, filling a full ``time-space'' volume (continuum) progressively before the next one is to be introduced.''
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Of course, these potencies aren't available anywhere except from the lab in New Zealand that made these potencies for the author, and because they are `special order' remedies, they are expensive.
Obviously, much more work needs to be done here to verify what the author believe to be true; that these potencies lead to faster healing with more deep-acting results.
Just maybe in the future...... I can see other homeopathic labs adopting this series because the potencies are pretty low and don't require a lot of dilutions and succussions, which all costs money.
Thanks for letting me share....
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The above information was taken from: ``Removing the Guesswork from Potency Selection: A new methodology for the use of C potencies based on a mathematical Law of Nature'' - Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD http://www.hpathy.com/papersnew/rozencwajg-potency-selection.asp Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Tracy -- recap of the video: it essentially an animated clip showing the double slit experiment.
Tracy, your approaching the biotensor or pendulums with a scientific cause and effect view. Instead, approach it like a child, with mind completely empty of expectation of some result. When you do, your body will start communicating with you. And I believe it is easier to just test substances as just good or bad, should I take 1 or 2 or more. And just believe when you get a result and follow what is relayed back. Get that rhythem first, things will expand naturally from there.
quote:The double slit experiment.
If light travels as particles we can imagine particles of light (photons) as bullets fired from a rifle. Imagine a brick wall with two holes in it, each the same size and large enough to fire bullets through, with a second wall behind where the bullets will strike. After firing a few rounds you would expect to see on the second wall two clusters of hits in line with the two holes. This is of course precisely what you get with bullets, so if we get the same result with photons we can say they are particles.
Now imagine that instead of particles, that light travels as a wave, we can replicate that with a water tank. As the wave spreads out from its source it would reach both holes at the same time and each hole would then act as a new source. Waves would then spread out again from each of the holes, exactly in step, or in phase, and as the waves moved forward, spreading as they go, they would eventually interfere with one another. Where both waves are lifting the water surface upward, we get a more pronounced crest; where one wave is trying to create a crest and the other is trying to create a trough the two cancel out and the water level is undisturbed. The effects are called constructive and destructive interference.
If we carried out this procedure with light instead of water, and if light travels as waves, then the pattern on the second wall would appear as an interference pattern of alternate dark and light bands across the wall. Particles, on the other hand, would produce two separate areas of light (where the bullets would hit). This experiment has in fact been carried out many, many times, with the same results every time, and the results are nothing less than amazing.
-- image is missing: the image shows an interference pattern on the back wall --
When the experiment is set up as shown in the above diagram, with both slits open, the resulting interference pattern clearly shows that light behaves as a wave. Now if that was all there was to it we could all fold up our tents and go home happy in the knowledge that light travels as a wave; but there is much more to it than that. This is where the word 'weird' can become over-used.
If the experiment is set up to fire individual photons, so that only one photon at a time goes through the set up, we would not expect the same interference pattern to build up; we would surely expect that a single photon would only go through one hole or another, it cannot go through both at the same time and create an interference pattern. So what happens?
If we wait until enough individual photons have passed through to build up a pattern - and this takes millions of photons - we do not get two clusters opposite the two holes, we get the same interference pattern! It is as if each individual photon 'knows' that both holes are open and gives that result. Each individual photon, passing through the set up will place itself on the wall in such a position that when enough have passed through they have collectively built up an interference pattern, when there cannot possibly be any interference!
If we repeat the experiment, this time with only one hole open, the individual photons behave themselves and all cluster round a point on the detector screen behind the open hole, just as you would expect. However, as soon as the second hole is opened they again immediately start to form an interference pattern. An individual photon passing through one of the holes is not only aware of the other hole, but also aware of whether or not it is open!
We could try peeking, to see which hole the photon goes through, and to see if it goes through both holes at once, or if half a photon goes through each hole. When the experiment is carried out, and detectors are placed at the holes to record the passage of electrons through each of the holes, the result is even more bizarre. Imagine an arrangement that records which hole a photon goes through but lets it pass on its way to the detector screen. Now the photons behave like normal, self respecting everyday particles. We always see a photon at one hole or the other, never both at once, and now the pattern that builds up on the detector screen is exactly equivalent to the pattern for bullets, with no trace of interference. As if that was not bad enough, it gets even worse! We do not need place detectors at both holes, we can get the same result by watching just one hole. If a photon passes through a hole that does not have a detector, it not only knows if the other hole is open or not, it knows if the other hole is being observed! If there is no detector at the other hole as well as the one it is passing through, it will produce an interference pattern, otherwise it will act as a particle. When we are watching the holes we can't catch out the photon going through both at once, it will only go through one. When we are not watching it will go through both at the same time! There is no clearer example of the interaction of the observer with the experiment. When we try to look at the spread-out photon wave, it collapses into a definite particle, but when we are not looking it keeps its options open.
What the double slit experiment demonstrates is this: Each photon starts out as a single photon - a particle - and arrives at the detector as a particle, but appears to have gone through both holes at once, interfered with itself, and worked out just where to place itself on the detector to make its own small contribution to the overall interference pattern. This behaviour raises a number of significant problems! Does the photon go through both holes at the same time? How does a photon go through both holes at the same time? How does it know where to place itself on the detector to form part of the overall pattern? Why don't all the photons follow the same path and end up in the same place?
As a possible explanation it could perhaps be said that this is just one more example of the extraordinary nature of light, after all it does have some very unusual properties. Photons have no rest mass for example, a very odd property! Light is also unique in that it always travels at the same speed. However you move, and however the light source moves, when you measure the speed of light you always come up with the same answer. By way of comparison, two cars approaching each other and each having a speed of 30 mph will be approaching each other at a speed of 60 mph. Two light beams, both travelling of course at the speed of light, will be approaching each other at the speed of light, not twice the speed of light. Perhaps the weird behaviour of photons in the experiment is due to the weird nature of light. Unfortunately further experiments have demonstrated that this is not the case. Electrons have been used instead of photons, and they not only have mass, they have an electric charge, and furthermore they move at different speeds depending on circumstances, like normal everyday objects. The double slit experiments still gives the same result using electrons as it does using photons; electrons also alter their behaviour depending on whether or not they are being observed. The experiment has even been performed using atoms, again with the same result, and atoms are large enough to be individually photographed, they are very real solid objects. This odd behaviour of particles is a very real phenomenon.
The double slit experiment is not simply an oddball theory that has no application in the real world. This strange behaviour of particles lies at the very heart of our understanding of the physical properties of the world. Quantum theory is used in many applications, including television and computers, and even explains the nuclear processes taking place inside stars.
One possible explanation for quantum weirdness is a theory concerning the nature of the wave that is passing through the experiment. The key concept of the theory, which forms a central part of the Copenhagen Interpretation, is known as the 'collapse of the wave function'. The theory seeks to explain how an entity such as a photon or an electron, could 'travel as a wave but arrive as a particle'. According to the theory, what is passing through the experiment is not a material wave at all, but is a 'probability wave'. In other words, the particle does not have a definite location, but has a probability of being here or there, or somewhere else entirely. Some locations will be more probable than others, such as the light areas in the interference pattern for example, and some will be less probable, such as in the dark areas. In this theory, an electron that is not being observed does not exist as a particle at all, but has a wave-like property covering the areas of probability where it could be found. Once the electron is observed, the wave function collapses and the electron becomes a particle. This theory rather neatly explains the behaviour of the particles in the double slit experiment. When we are not looking at the particle, the probability wave, of even a single particle, is spread out and will pass through both slits at the same time and arrive at the detector as a wave showing an interference pattern. When we observe the electron by placing detectors at the slits, it is forced into revealing its location which causes the probability wave to collapse into a particle. If the theory is correct, its implications are staggering. What it suggests is that nothing is real until it has been observed!
Nothing is real until it has been observed! This clearly needs thinking about. Are we really saying that in the 'real' world - outside of the laboratory - that until a thing has been observed it doesn't exist? This is precisely what the Copenhagen Interpretation is telling us about reality. This has caused some very well respected cosmologists (Stephen Hawking for one) to worry that this implies that there must actually be something 'outside' the universe to look at the universe as a whole and collapse its overall wave function. John Wheeler puts forward an argument that it is only the presence of conscious observers, in the form of ourselves, that has collapsed the wave function and made the universe exist. If we take this to be true, then the universe only exists because we are looking at it. As this is heading into very deep water I think we will have to leave it there and move on to the next experiment.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Tracy -- mutation has to both for the same reason it happens for one, it is the cause of evolution. One thing we forget about in getting well is to use the intention of getting well as a vehicle for evolution. Our intention is the observer in a quantum sense.
I love the use of fribonacci in determining the potencies of a homeopathic substance. What a wonderful idea, I wonder if it applies to rifing or LEDs as far as wave frequencies. It would be curious what some of our LED vendors might think of it. If they could create one on an LED. Maybe Sparkle, whose really good with the vendors anyways, might propose it. What do you think?
I so agree with going back to observation as the mode of testing. Observation is a much better way of looking at results for getting a higher truth.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Exactly. That's what Quantum Realty says. We are also mutating. DNA can change but it is only a blueprint. It is the cell wall that we are communicating with, right? The cell wall is the brain or computer chip of the cell that has the antenna that we send messages to. The DNA can change is response to stress. I dont know how long this takes or has to take.
We also have gene expression or non expression of certain blueprint material. The DNA replicate under stress and there is never complete 100% perfect replication. Because of that we have mutations. If a mutation is MORE ADAPTIVE, then that mutation becomes reality.
Example: experiment with cells lacking an enzyme to digest lactose. They began over time to be able to digest it. Why? Stress created a mutated genetic expression. (and I imagine no belief that IT CAN NOT HAPPEN). ALL MUTATIONS ARE NOT BAD and if Bb can mutate, by God, so can we.
Additionally, WHAT WE BELIEVE WE NEED and I imagine ACCEPT, we tend to keep ADAPTIVELY.
This is very important information to consider. EVERY TIME WE INGEST OF PERFORM THERAPY ON OURSELVES WE SEND A MESSAGE OF BELIEF TO THE BODY. I dont think thats a bad thing, but something to consider, like prayer or meditation or intent or perspective. Dont disempower healing by thinking the bugs are more powerful than the energetic field they are we are a part of.
This is Quantum reality.. for me, I am taking it all in because it either is or it isnt.
Meanwhile, back on the farm, I am taking my herbs and learnig my bio pendulum and trying to immerse myself into these quantum perspectives.
Robin
quote:Originally posted by Truthfinder:
Ah, but is it the bug that is mutating..... or are WE changing? Our DNA is being altered by EMFs and toxins in our environment - even emotions can alter our DNA - so sometimes I think maybe we are changing faster than the bugs are.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks for all the great info!
R62 - re: "The idea that life is created through competition is wrong according to quantum reality. Virulance is based on that concept. Life and its progression is based on cooperation between cells and that include microbes. "
This is very interesting to me. I not so sure I believe that we are a result of "evolution". I think there are other potential possibilities.
I suppose some would say why can't I just imagine my disease, illness away in this case... Maybe the remedies & the infrared light help us to work towards this goal? The placebo effect is quite strong.
Interesting idea about the Golden Mean applied to homeopathics! I believe the Nogier frequencies were "proved" by Dr. Nogier in a similar respect to the observation concept. I believe he used pulse or blood pressure measurements in the body to figure out the rates & what areas they affect.
Selma - I don't think I could afford to take alot of different remedies, herbs, etc. It's good they come pre-mixed in formulas. I do think the infrared light does something to the treatment so that we can simplify things.
I don't think the Heel products use the same "technique" as the Pekana ones (with ashes). I used my bobber & it said the Heel ones are better for me. I just needed the lymph drainage product. I'm waiting for it to arrive in the mail. The mail is really slow down here!
I think Bob is correct about being in the moment while using the bobber. It's almost like Japanese or Chinese ink drawing... you just want to meditate & do it once. It doesn't work to keep retracing your "line". It is easy to get emotions mixed in with it but I guess you have to try to separate yourself from the result.
For me, it's not so hard with remedies & supplements but if I ask a more "personal" question where the outcome may mean something - it's hard to be objective. We just have to keep practicing... it is like a kind of meditation.
I like using my bobber to send healing. It fun to see how it responds!
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Sparkle -- I'm glad you got the bobber and it's working so well for you.
Robin/Sparkle -- Great replies, I thought I'd add a few thoughts.
Our bodies are a database of what we know. When we use homeopathy it is like it is putting a record about something we didn't know or forgot into our database. Like cures like, it makes frequencies a more understandable concept that way.
We could kill lyme completely and still have symptoms, because our bodies still have in it's database the pathogen was there or a memory of it. We need to erase the record of lyme so we don't send out antibodies to kill a phantom. You ingest a borrelia vial and you could just be entering a memory to erase that function in the bodies database.
Remember my taking the long list of rememdies, I was curious about seeing which ones work and not based on the analogy of a database of frequencies. Why were some good and other unnecessary. I thought it would be an interesting exercise.
What triggered my view, is prior to getting the vial of micoplasma my expensive biotensor said I didn't have it. When I got the vial, I tested again and asked do I need it. Then I asked the question do I have a micoplasma infection. I guess I did.
Just putting the vial explained to my body it had an infection. I wonder where the anti-bodies went then. After treating now for about 8 days, I asked about two days ago if I had a micoplasma infection and the answer was NO! Then I asked if I still needed the homeopathic for micoplasma and the answer was yes. So the remedy is still part of the cleanup.
MMS is a great killer but it doesn't clean up after itself and you could still have symptoms. MMS / photons / homeopathy = ?
B
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Sometimes, it's not all about just "killing". It may be about healing on another level. Our bodies may know what to do if give the right "nudge".
We are being assaulted by so many toxins, maybe the body has a hard tome figuring it all out. Some may be completely foreign to us, historically. Some may be bio-engineered or just very complex chemicals in a multiplicity of combinations... Yeasts, funguses, pathogens, chemicals, toxins, toxins created in the process of our body removing them, metals, who knows what, etc.
Testing on a higher level (Asyra, dowsing) may be key to find out their real cause of the imbalance. Then, we can target what needs to be improved - rather than destroyed... Just an educated guess.
Our body probably, innately, has the power to heal it's self. We just don't know which thing to address first. It's like Tracy was saying about treating multiple pathogens... What order do we proceed in?
It's not always about massive bombardment.
There's also Selma's experience with the homeopathic antibodies, as well as, the nosodes & homeopathic dilutions & antidotes. Maybe this could be of use here? We just have to weed everything out.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
PS - I think they have a program for the computer so you could hook up an infrared array to it & input in a "custom" frequency.
I think they sell it at Elixa.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Sparkle -- great way of putting it. is it just one thing we need just a single lever like classical homeopathy to a cure or is it a complete bombardment. If it is a bombardment how long. I've done some testing on the large list already. It appears that about 80% of the items my body wanted or needed. That is the next set of questions, what was either needed or wanted and why. Some of the items were just along for the ride, but were they a negative?
Bombardment may be necessary at times, can't rule out anything.
By the way, Sparkle, sorry to add more weeds in the weeding out process.
It is the intention of our bodies to be healthy and I think we are all finding this to being a very strong truth! I still need a couple of more days to post what I find.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Maybe the sum is greater than the parts?
It probably depends on many factors... For some, the abx work, for others, they are poison. I read a book by Dr. Bernie Seigel a while back... much of it is in the mind or perception.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Thank you Sparkle and Bob.
I get a feeling "nudge" could be correct. I also think I believe in a threshold with healing and blocks, and if Gigi is right about AI.. that does put a large piece of the puzzle together for me.
Yes to new toxins, possibly bioenginered toxins et al.. I wondered about that yesterday.. like new foods our bodies dont know how to react to. Interesting Bob, about the mycoplasma.
Massive bombardment makes sense when thinking about how our bodies may feel inside from toxins from so many sources to perhaps new pathogens to the energetic field that we live in from EMRs to the field of human perception that we ingest every day when we participate in the human experience... not knowing what to do.. blocked receptors on cell walls additionally.
I am concerned about panic and fear that I feel breeding in me over this "disease complex" as well. Fear and panic set off the sympathetic flight and fight response and that completely blocks healing. Makes me think of giving birth and the birthing process being shut down.
I need a bigger picture and empowering over view to guide my way, otherwise, I will panic more in the little details.
Robin
quote:Originally posted by sparkle7: Sometimes, it's not all about just "killing". It may be about healing on another level. Our bodies may know what to do if give the right "nudge".
We are being assaulted by so many toxins, maybe the body has a hard tome figuring it all out. Some may be completely foreign to us, historically. Some may be bio-engineered or just very complex chemicals in a multiplicity of combinations... Yeasts, funguses, pathogens, chemicals, toxins, toxins created in the process of our body removing them, metals, who knows what, etc.
Testing on a higher level (Asyra, dowsing) may be key to find out their real cause of the imbalance. Then, we can target what needs to be improved - rather than destroyed... Just an educated guess.
Our body probably, innately, has the power to heal it's self. We just don't know which thing to address first. It's like Tracy was saying about treating multiple pathogens... What order do we proceed in?
It's not always about massive bombardment.
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Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
WHOAH! Pretty strange, Bob - thanks for posting the link and the double-slit experiment text. I did go read about the other experiments..... I think the author is certainly correct in advising caution in drawing too many conclusions from these experiments (especially without more details of the experiments themselves).
But it certainly illustrates the point that at the `quantum' level, standard logic isn't always very helpful.
Good question about where the Fibonacci series might fit when it comes to LEDs, rifing, etc.! I hadn't even considered that.
Bob, you said: **''Tracy, your approaching the biotensor or pendulums with a scientific cause and effect view. Instead, approach it like a child, with mind completely empty of expectation of some result....''**
But that's the problem, Bob. This suggests that I'm capable of true detachment about the result when dowsing, and I know that I'm not. At least not at this point and hopefully, that will change. Testing `blind' in some fashion is the only way I know to avoid the problem. If the information I'm accessing is `innate' within myself, then it shouldn't matter. It's either there or it isn't. (Uh-oh, I detect a quantum moment coming on.....)
R62, you said: **'' This is very important information to consider. EVERY TIME WE INGEST OF PERFORM THERAPY ON OURSELVES WE SEND A MESSAGE OF BELIEF TO THE BODY.''**
While I'm sure there's some truth in that, there's comfort in knowing that it isn't essential for the treatment to work, nor does disbelief cause the treatment to fail. (Thank goodness!)
Sparkle, you said: **'' I don't think the Heel products use the same "technique" as the Pekana ones (with ashes).''**
Did you find some detailed information about how their remedies are made? I confess, I never looked beyond the Pekana products.
Bob, you said: **''Just putting the vial explained to my body it had an infection. I wonder where the anti-bodies went then.''** Well, if we look at mycoplasmas as bioweapons..... there might not be any antibodies - EVER. At least not to the `bacteria' itself. Because there IS NO BACTERIA. As I recall, the innovative thing about the engineering of these critters is that the scientists were able to separate the bugs from the toxins they produce, and it was the TOXINS that were used as the weapon, not the bugs. So, a person would have the symptoms of mycoplasma, but antibiotics wouldn't do anything because there was nothing to kill. Thus, it was an `incurable', disabling illness - perfect for weakening an enemy force.
And speaking of antibodies, Selma's experiences using antibody remedies is quite interesting and I'm not sure what to make of it.
Bob, you said: **''MMS is a great killer but it doesn't clean up after itself and you could still have symptoms. MMS / photons / homeopathy = ?''**
Yikes! I'm afraid the answer might be that you have to hold a barf bucket in one hand and toilet paper in the other......
Bob, you said: **''Bombardment may be necessary at times, can't rule out anything.''**
True. My thought on this is that the combination of remedies, which is actually a combination of frequencies, is a `substitute' for the actual, perfect, similar remedy (frequency) needed to address all or most of your `disease' picture (the true similimum). And in that sense, these combinations COULD represent sort of a short-cut in place of finding the simillimum at a given point in time, which remains the most difficult and essential part of homeopathic treatment.
The only real pitfalls are: the possibility of someone `proving' one or more of the remedies in the combination, and what to do next when the case `evolves' as they usually do with complicated illnesses. And it is research on these 2 pitfalls by the companies who make the combinations that I'd be interested in reviewing (assuming the research exists).
R62, you said: **''I am concerned about panic and fear that I feel breeding in me over this "disease complex" as well.''**
Oh, I hope not, Robin. After reading these pages, aren't you convinced that we have more in our arsenal than the bugs do? And the really good news is that we might even know how to use some of what we have! And learning more all the time, I might add.
Just one other thought.... I think we have a false sense about our ability to control mental thoughts like `intention'. We have a modicum of control on the conscious level, but the power of thoughts like this actually originate on a deep, subconscious level which may be contrary to what we THINK we are thinking! A lot of this goes back to miasms and trauma, and tempered by value systems, spiritual practices, etc. Just my personal opinion on it, of course.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
The antibodies story, is not 'mine'... This is the way Sanum treats many pathogens. The combination they use is:
- pathogen nosode - pathogen L-form nosode - antibody and antitoxin 'nosode' (extracted from animals that were infected with the pathogen - nosodes to kill OTHER things than themselves (like penicilin).
By experience, I can say that sometimes ONLY treating the L-form of a pathogen is ENOUGH to get rid of the pathogen. Sometimes we need to use both pathogen dilution and l-form dilution.
sometimes using the Penicilin nosode is also enough by itself.
The antibodies dilutions cleans, in my view, in a much deeper level. I can't say I got less symptoms after using the Polysans of Sanum, I can just say that I feel lighter and 'cleaner' from inside, just that.
I even can't make any relation to the pathogens I had, I mean, if I use mycobacterium TB bovis antibodies, it doesn't mean I'll get some improvement in my TB symptoms...
I'll see if I find some literature on it. -- As for borrelia antibodies, I really felt THE SAME. A sort of deep pain in articulations, extreme fatigue, then followed by a feeling of being 'lighter' or 'cleaner' from inside my whole body (nothing specific to a body part).
My ART doctor tested these and they tested very good for my daughter. Now we don't need them anymore. --
Interesting discussion about these Golden Ratio, Tracy...
I just see that if we go through many potencies, the chances to clean more thoroughly are much higher.
I think we are all free of borrelia dilutions up to D200, both me and my daughter. I also think we don't need anymore borrelia antibodies up to dilution D60.
Now we are both on C dilutions (or K). We're still positive for C30 and K200.
Today I just asked about my daughter, who's having tummy problems (similar to when her relapse started in December). None of her autonosodes till D60 test. So I asked if a C dilution would be helpful and got a yes.
So I did a C30 and that is what she wanted. Her tummy ache is gone for the moment.
So I think we start to see a pattern here. After using the D dilutions, our bodies are asking for C dilutions (or more exactly, the K dilutions).
Now my next step is to buy a borrelia 1000K dilution.
I don't have the tingling in my arms anymore. It seems to be gone. So now, I can say I'm symptomless again. I hope it will be for good, but one never knows...
I know we both have borrelia though as we test for these higher C dilutions. -- Our experience with the surrounding bio-photon field is going on and I feel it is important to eliminate these 'extra' almost invisible symptoms, DEEPER in the cells.
The farther we go on from our physical bodies, the DEEPER it goes into our cells (Dr. K.'s teachings). Of course, there's an exact number, the distance is more or less exact (I mean, if you would like to ask about how deep in the tissue is a pathogen, we have to go with the testing device further from the skin, but it is not to an indefinite distance).
I can go back to my notes, if someone is interested.
But CERTAINLY treating the surrounding field with photons bring some results as I feel concretely the treatment going on there. My daughter sometimes almost faints, she closes her eyes so relaxed she gets when I'm treating her surrounding field.
This could also be another 'trick' to get on deeper with treatment and getting more 'symptoms' away.
You're right Bob, mycoplasma will stop testing first than TREATMENT for mycoplasma. I told you before, it happened many many times for us home.
So being free from 'borrelia' in energetic tests doesn't mean being really free from borrelia. It is the REMEDY that tests with more accuracy. My lyme doctor always tells that.
It was cats claw that indicated to me if I had active borrelia before. Every time I got a relapse, before I knew it was a relapse, if I tested for cats claw, it USUALLY meant borrelia was getting back. Now I'm using these nosodes, and I think, the highest dilutions will tell me much more than only cats claw. I'm sure I'm not testing for cats claw now, but the highest C dilutions of borrelia are testing, meaning, hidden borrelia somewhere.
Even if these hidden borrelia mean only in the energetic field, I believe. -- so yes, I think the PE1 is working to get rid of borrelia. Slower than the Bionic for sure, but it is working!!!
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I dont think I am talking about controlling intention. Talking about not feeding off the fear and panic, first personally, then from the lyme community.
I am afraid and panicking.. bioenginered toxins (and I made a typo up there that may be correct if you are correct here about the toxins being the villan we are battling with our arsenal.. )then I am talking about using words like villan, battle, arsenal so much that we take away belief and faith that we are equipped to deal with this Arg... to explain... difficult to. Maybe some bodies work better in battle mode and others not. Mine does not vibe well with the battle concept. Bernie Siegal does talk about this.. Cousins as well, some cancer patients needed to battle others needed to make peace.. maybe we are all different in that respect.
I do believe we are part of the energetic field of reality and I dont believe in denial, so this is very confusing. Do you see what I am talking about?
In quantum reality.. we create the reality. Not saying we cause out illness but we contribute "healthy" or "unhealthy" perspective which does effect the field and our reality. I cannot read anything about quantum biology and not get that.
I cannot control intention.. a yogi can for a while.. not forever.. so I guess I yoge cant either. It is the sum of the parts of the thoughts we choose to give power to or not. Right? Wrong? And maybe that is truly a personal thing.
Everytime we address illness we do also bring energy into the field in the form of our thoughts. That is a quantum fact. Do I want to be burdened with that? No. Do I want freedom from the idea that I have to fight a battle? Yes.. I do. For me, yes.
Maybe I would like to frame it as seeking balance. Maybe my body can relax more when I put it that way. Maybe it can then heal better or with more ease. Maybe miasms can be addressed when we shed old perceptions. Maybe there is more than one way to break old energetic bonds and to create new energetic/biological awarenesses?
And,, yes .. it seems like one has to be a scientist to figure all this out and I wish for a simple solution.. or one I can partake in and grow into. This is overwhelming stuff and it would be very easy to say: There is a battle going on between good and evil and evil has the upper hand and to allow that mindset to consistantly backgrond everything I do. This will not work for me at all.
Yes there is comfort in knowing one does not have to have the "proper" intentions (not into dogma.. and maybe again there is no one "proper" intention for everyone) just as it is comforting to know that one does not have to proof and know every blasted micro frequency and homeopathic application to perfection. What good does that do me? It only does those good who comprehend this stuff and know how to implement it.
I am grateful for this info and all you all are sharing...and overwhelmed... and hoping the end result is much simpler to comprehend. Or that we find there are many ways as there are individuals.
Just like picking out the right bottle and right frequency are important, so is or so much more is the background of perspective that we do that in. That is quantum reality as far as I can tell. The pressure is on either way or it is off either way. I dont see how one can be so important and another not. There has to be some sort of balance? Wouldnt that make sense?
Robin
quote:Originally posted by Truthfinder: [R62, you said: **'' This is very important information to consider. EVERY TIME WE INGEST OF PERFORM THERAPY ON OURSELVES WE SEND A MESSAGE OF BELIEF TO THE BODY.''**
While I'm sure there's some truth in that, there's comfort in knowing that it isn't essential for the treatment to work, nor does disbelief cause the treatment to fail. (Thank goodness!)
Bob, you said: **''Just putting the vial explained to my body it had an infection. I wonder where the anti-bodies went then.''** Well, if we look at mycoplasmas as bioweapons..... there might not be any antibodies - EVER. At least not to the `bacteria' itself. Because there IS NO BACTERIA. As I recall, the innovative thing about the engineering of these critters is that the scientists were able to separate the bugs from the toxins they produce, and it was the TOXINS that were used as the weapon, not the bugs. So, a person would have the symptoms of mycoplasma, but antibiotics wouldn't do anything because there was nothing to kill. Thus, it was an `incurable', disabling illness - perfect for weakening an enemy force.
R62, you said: **''I am concerned about panic and fear that I feel breeding in me over this "disease complex" as well.''**
Oh, I hope not, Robin. After reading these pages, aren't you convinced that we have more in our arsenal than the bugs do? And the really good news is that we might even know how to use some of what we have! And learning more all the time, I might add.
Just one other thought.... I think we have a false sense about our ability to control mental thoughts like `intention'. We have a modicum of control on the conscious level, but the power of thoughts like this actually originate on a deep, subconscious level which may be contrary to what we THINK we are thinking! A lot of this goes back to miasms and trauma, and tempered by value systems, spiritual practices, etc. Just my personal opinion on it, of course.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
The subconscious mind we operate from most of the time.. more than we probably are aware of, but from what I am reading, the conscious mind has power to make descisions that can lead to change our unconscious realities.
Seemingly, the body is unconscious to these new pathogens or toxins.. ?? So we alert them.. or we let them know.
This is all truly mind boggling, exciting, overwhelming, esp when digging into the quantum concepts, which do seem also to defy dogma as well... you have to do this or that. What, yo change something by observing it. So you make a homeopathic dilution then you dont need to take it?
Are we capable of being more receptive than we think? ??
Promise, not to continue to ponder on board.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
The simple answer for me is that the standard lab tests were inaccurate & the drugs didn't work.
I was still ill - so, I needed to find something to explain my illness. Something to try to get well...
I don't see that dowsing is any less accurate than the lab tests for me - in my personal universe. I think the lab tests are based on percentages & statistics. Doesn't seem all that different than dowsing.
After 8000 years - dowsing is still a mystery. No one seems to know how it works, exactly. It's still used professionally for finding things, water, minerals, oil, electro-magnetic "ley" lines, etc.
It seem better to think positive but I don't know if we can really change anything this way. I guess it's just more pleasant to be around positive people than negative, draining types of people.
Seems to me that co-operation is much better than fighting with people all of the time. It may also be true on a cellular level, too. I guess it just depends on how you like your personal reality to be.
Fear is a problem. What I find is that if I put myself through alot of anxiety worrying about stuff, it doesn't really make things any different. Being ill & all of the associated problems are very difficult. I don't know if being stressed out, too, makes things better or worse. Probably best to cut back on stress & anxiety, if possible.
I feel like I've been in a big rut for a long time. I'm not sure why I have to go through it but it's happening to me every day. i just try to look for the best solutions to the problems at hand.
I have very little money - so, I try to do the best by using what I do have... mostly my mind & minimal resources.
Maybe it will work? I guess this is why this group of us are willing to experiment on ourselves... What's left?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
PS - Tracy - can you post some links to study mycoplasmas further?
I think you can find websites to compare the Heel remedies to the Pekana. I'll look for some links to post when I have more time.
I have read that there are 100s of strains of mycoplasmas. I guess we hope that the few that are in the remedies will trigger our bodies to learn how to deal with it on some level. I'm not sure if we can find the exact match.
This may be the same idea of using a remedy with lots of ingredients... maybe one will be the one we need?
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Sparkle the remedy could be in our saliva if we learn how to best use it. Maybe we will learn a bit more from Selma on this.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I wouldn't let psychological treatments aside, they're as important as fighting the 'real' bacterial disease or toxins.
The blockages our minds and hearts do (this thing like battling or cooperating, feeling weak, vulnerable, feeling guilty or whatever), they are, in my opinion, where this quantum discussion should be.
I now believe our minds are powerful to cause illnesses, to cause little problems here and there that with the time, these little things take proportion and we can get really sick.
I find that dr. K has almost 'magic' weapons against that type of blockages in the form of two things: psychokinesiology and MFT. These methods work almost like magic.
MFT barely needs muscle testing. Psychokinesiolgy needs energetic tests though and both can go very very deep inside us. The photons can do nothing in that field, nosodes either.
Possibly some Bach flowers, or classical homeopathy can help us a bit there or a normal shrink, but I don't think they are as fast as PK or MFT, in my experience.
A soul that wants to be kept sick from inside cannot heal, no matter what treatment we do. Sometimes, this will to be and continue to be sick is a secret to ourselves. Sometimes even the will of someone else can do that to us, so powerful these wills can be.
Another problem is what dr. K calls switching. It's some sort of mental switching that makes the message from energetic tests be not accurate. I'm not so versed in that though, but I had seen many people with switching. If photons can cure that, I don't know... -----
Now, you guys are talking about photons and homeopathy as though these are only placebo. No way. Just because we don't ingest them, that doesn't make this stuff placebo.
Just because we don't see the photons coming out from our cells, it doesn't mean the photons don't exist. This is measured and proved.
Homeopathy can be taken through the skin, it is well known. So even before photons, people could be taking homeopathy only by rubbing the substances on skin.
I took homeopathy through skin for quite some time. My daughter was taking some Sanum from her elbow for a long time (because that was the 'entrance' to her intestines).
If you think that homeopathic substances are frequencies (there are some scientific papers on that), why one needs to INGEST these frequencies to make them work?
No, sorry, this is not placebo ONLY, or the whole field of homeopathy in more than a hundred years would be reduced to only placebo.
So assuming that these frequencies can be taken by skin, why not taking them through photons?
I believe that in fact, we even didn't have to use a machine to get treated like that. If we just keep the homeopathic vial there in some part of our bodies, our bodies will be reading the information, because it is a frequency.
What the extra photons do, in my opinion, is just to amplify the information. We could merely be bathed in photons all over and the effect would be probably as good as doing like dr. W. is proposing, in some accupuncture points. But maybe that would be too much information for our cells to process and the healing would take longer.
Do you see my point? Homeopathy is not chemical, it doesn't act because of chemical substances. Chemically it is only water with some alcohol, sometimes. So why do we need ingesting it? It is only frequencies. So we could only bathe ourselves with it. The effect is the same.
The photons are not doing magic. What is treating us is the homeopathic dilution through its frequencies, not the photons themselves (when I'm talking about the treatment with nosodes...).
The photons are merely boosting communication, in my view, either because cell communication is done through photons OR because our cells need some extra energy to communicate better (my guess).
To boost communication, before the photons, one could have taken these nosodes INJECTED, intravenal, intramuscular etc. I'm sure it's possible. Like it is done in biopucnture.
What is being injected is usually merely water right? Water transporting the frequencies from nosodes closer to cells inside us. These injected nosodes would have a similar effect to photons, I believe. Stronger in effect than if merely ingested because the frequencies are going closer to more cells than if only rubbed or put under the tongue.
Just never forget that what we 'ingest' in homeopathy is usually only water. What is transmitted under the tongue is not like LSD going directly to the brain , but frequencies. We don't digest frequencies and because of digestion, they work, right? This is not a herb or abx or chemical.
I'm just talking that because I see the discussion is going too much in the placebo world and for me, homeopathy is far from placebo.
OK, there IS placebo everytime we think we are treating anything, no matter which method you choose, abx included, chemicals included. But I wouldn't call homeopathy ONLY a result of hundred years of placebo experiments.
Give a nosode to a cat, dog, without their knowledge and many will improve if you got the right treatment.
Not because we don't INGEST something, it means we are only taking placebo.
-- And on accupuncture, if most of you think that the 4 thousands of years of usage of it is also placebo, well, then I can't discuss much either!
I think both treatments, homeopathy and accupuncture belong to the world of clinical expertise. I agree it's not easy to understand them (we still can't understand how both work), but both are 'clinically' tested for very long.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Well said, Selma! NO, it's not placebo....
Sparkle, this is the most `popular' mycoplasma article, which has been around since 2001. Much of what I read about mycoplasma came from books and printed articles, way back before the Internet was much of an information source. Don't quote me but I think the author states that the Lyme bug was created with mycoplasma, or something like that.
Interestingly, this article (above link) was printed on the National Lyme Report website on January 21, 2008, with the heading ``Mycoplasma link to Lyme disease - no conspiracy theory, says expert: it's real''.
(There's a connection between Donald Scott and Garth Nicholson; not surprising since Nicholson has been very focused on mycoplasma from day one.)
I'm pretty sure this article has been posted at LymeNet sometime in the last 2 or 3 years....
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
If we are dealing with bio-engineered pathogens/toxins, are the nosodes addressing that? Are they made from the same stuff or do they carry enough of the energy by being similar?
Placebo is an energetic effect... perception communicating to the body like the nosodes do.
I see what you are saying about homeopathics and accupuncture.. they are working on a photonic level and you dont have to "believe" or whatever takes place with placebo (as Tracy is saying).
What is MFT?
I wonder about therapies like Constellation Therapy and miasms or at least energy blockages from ancestors through DNA. Even somatic emotional release etc. ?? Robin
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Selma -- absolutely agree! There is placebo in all medicine to some degree and to the same degree in each medical discipline. Placebo is also poorly understood. I think there is a place for a trained mind such as an himalayan monk who might be able to affect the bodies condition versus an animal.
I now believe each remedy should be tested and evaluated energetically. And each remedy has a different cause and effect, from that point of placebo doesn't apply.
In my bombardment example my body truly has its likes and dislikes depending on the remedy. I doubt that can be explained as placebo.
I still think the body is unaware of how to handle certain conditions. It just isn't in its database of information. If you go to the inergetix web site, the device like a vega or biocom is about information or missing information. The constructor of the site highlights information as the key to his devices ability to help people become well. Homeopathics might be the great communicator to our ANS. The photons in these LEDs might be the great transporter of the information to much of our body. So agree with Selma on this.
If we think of information as a primary rationale for the correction of symptoms. We may find a way to beat lyme or any malady.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I agree that this is not just about placebos. Placebos are very important... they aren't necessarily a bad thing.
It that film clip for the Living Matrix - they claimed that placebo effects can make up to 30% of healing. I think they just are trying to introduce the concept that not everything is about drugs & surgery... I guess that's why I had the idea in my mind.
The mind & things we don't quite understand can be very relevant to getting well.
I don't know what to say about bio-engineered weapons. I believe many of us are dealing with this. This is no placebo...
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Sparkle it might have to do with accelerating our own evolution. Homeopathy might help with the transformation. Imagine we have an unknown substance and we have to change ourselves at the cellular level to create stasis in our body's functioning. Accepting energy medicine might be the only alternative.
By the way, isn't conventional medicine take two placebos and call me in the morning.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I feel like a bomb has dropped... Did anyone see what someone said in the Bionic 880 thread?
I don't want to start any nasty rumors... I was really trashed by alot of people over this!
It may turn out to be true.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Bruce Lipton: cells are sentinent beings. We are made from cells forming communities and we are the cells in the community of humanity, the field so we are responsive to the field. The human is made in the image of the cell; the cell is a fractile of the human being.
I am skimming The Ghoraa and the Limbic System, by Amjid Ali.
He says "My patients have taught me that tissues respond only when we attend to them on a not thinking mode. They have little respect for our clever intellectual schemes." (not referring to the nosodes and figuring out what to use here.. am wondering about communicating with these sentient beings called my cells which are really me.)"I am convinced that tissues, cells, molecules, and elecrons have their own intelligence, their own consciousness. " Goes on to talk about cells in a pretri dish liek Lipton does in The Wisdom of Our Cells.
If the body is so dysregulated and confused which seems plausable and in need of a little or alot of direction and care, I want to think about that.
As for excelerating evolution. Lipton talks about LaMarc's theories that were dissed big time (a mess as usual) .. its not evolution as in survivial or the fittest, but cooperation and adaption that we evolve through. The nosodes/photons could help with that.
I dont think the toxic world is going away and I wonder if and how cells will adapt.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
still on my bruce lipton kick.. he asks why we dont study placebo. it is science and miracles are also science not yet understood. we poo poo placebo (not anyone here) and then dont realize placebos are miracles too. not just weakness to factor out of experiments. no one wants to think it all depends on conscious control including me. i would be doomed for sure. placebo isnt conscious. it just happens when one has hope i'm guessing. but it has to be 100% hope..?? drats! i dont think so. i think the body can respond incrementally and miraculously. so count me in the placebo line, too, just in case i might qualify.. does saying that make me ineligible?
Homeopathics and photons.. communication with cells by way of messaging with energy.
Rife.. blast them with energy (like energy or discord energy?)
Placebo... communcation with cells by way of messaging with perception associated with any modality or none.
Energetic psychology.. remove blocks to healing using mind body techniques? (easier for adult than children obviously.. heard of parent doing constellation therapy on childs behalf)
AI or NAET and such for dysregulation???
??
Are entrainment cds one way to wake up the body to the "unknown" envaders or troublemakers as well?
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Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I went to see Dr. Ali for a while. I didn't care for him. He's quite the egotist...
I like to use entrainment CDs to meditate with. I was doing biofeedback for a while & the CDs make it easier. I was also afraid that my brain was not functioning properly.
I saw the pictures on the Hemi-sync website. It seems that the entrainment that they have embedded in the music increases brain blood circulation. It seemed like a good idea to do it with these Lyme & related pathogens...
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Even our subconscious might not be a single entity, but a collective. Nothing is known to any depth about our spiritual make-up or how that spirit is involved in the physical world. Nor how it is weaved into the cellular structure that creates a functioning person.
One way of viewing our symptoms is a struggle with pathogens for existence.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Sparkle, I hadn't read the current `mycoplasma' thread, so didn't realize you were already familiar with the article I posted, etc...... sorry. Should have read that thread awhile back.....
And after skimming back through that old Donald Scott article, this mycoplasma thing is starting to hit home with me, once again. Like you, I tested negative for 4 strains, but I'm totally disillusioned with conventional testing (accuracy and cost-wise). I'm really grateful to you, Selma, Bob and others for bringing this to the forefront for me once again.
I just wonder..... if most of these bioweaponized bugs (including mycoplasmas or their toxins) originated from the Brucella bacteria, then could a Brucella nosode cover a lot of territory when it comes to treatment?
And as Bob and Selma discussed, maybe saliva or another autonosode could be just as effective...
Anyway, Sparkle, you said something in that thread that was intriguing to me: **''just had an Asyra test done & mycolpasmas came up! So, I started treating using a homeopathic remedy & I'm getting some of the symptoms of mycoplasmas returning (indicating that this is the real deal).''**
Well, why didn't you say so, lol! In the `classical' camp, a `return of old symptoms' - or a worsening of existing symptoms - are definite signs that a remedy is working for you in a positive way! I didn't realize until now that the symptoms you've been experiencing were familiar symptoms to you.... well, I don't know about you, but I feel better now.
Bruce Lipton..... I felt like I should know who he is.... Well, duh. I actually have one of his lectures on video from way back, ``The Science of Innate Intelligence''. I loved that video! What I remember about it is that he was able to show the existence of an `outside force' (spirit/God) that was CRUCIAL to every action within our cells (or something like that).
RE the element of `belief': Let me give a homeopathic example to illustrate where I'm coming from on this.
Let's say you have a chronic illness with many nasty symptoms and on top of all that, you don't believe you will ever get well no matter what treatments you do or medicines that you take. You are anxious on several fronts and restless; you fear death but you are tired of living. Your friends or your doctor tell you that you have a negative attitude, that your anxiety about your health is likely contributing to your illness, etc. So, maybe you do your best to change your attitude or get counseling or try some positive affirmations, etc. But try as you might, you just can't seem to shake this feeling of doom about your illness, even though you may no longer express it to others. You often have the sensation that you are dying.
Let's say your physical symptoms include angina pains in the chest, wheezing and asthma-like symptoms that are worse lying down, neuralgia around your eyes and face, your nose feels stopped up all the time, burning urination, twitches and tremors in your legs with burning-type pain, and gastritis from eating or drinking most anything, to name a few. All symptoms are worse at night and you are exhausted.
So. (While this is not a complete `case' for determining the correct remedy, let's just assume for illustrative purposes that a complete case-taking has been done by someone competent, etc.) ALL of these symptoms, including the mental and emotional ones, are covered under the remedy Arsenicum-album. So, we would say that you are in an `Arsenicum state'.
Your inability to believe that you will get well is as much a part of your `disease state' as is the facial neuralgia and the suffocating asthma symptoms. They are not separate; they are linked. As determined as you might be, you can't make your asthma go away by force of will (well, most people can't). Likewise, your anxiety and `despair of recovery' are as much a part of your illness as your chest pain, if not MORE so. They are major SYMPTOMS; they shouldn't be viewed as the `cause' of anything, IMHO. Trying to change your `belief' about your illness on a deep level will be about as productive as trying to stop the burning pain in your legs. You can change your `belief' on a superficial level, and that helps keep you interested in the mechanics of getting well. But on a deeper, subconscious level, you - as a whole person - think you are doomed. It's part of your `illness', but just like your other symptoms, it can be `healed'. (There IS a happy ending to this story.)
Does this make it a little clearer?
My study of homeopathy has made me look at people in a whole different light.
As a side note, there are about 75 remedies listed under the symptom of `despair of recovery' and about 8 major remedies (ones that have been particularly effective in more cases than others). And I've seen all but one of these 8 remedies listed as being used in the successful treatment of Lyme.... I do think that this `despair of recovery' is often part of the mental/emotional picture of a Lyme patient. Also kind of interesting is that both Arsenicum and Aurum-metallicum are major remedies under this heading..... and Peter Alex (wrote the book about treating Lyme with homeopathy) believes that Aurum-arsenicosum - a combination of Ars. and Aurum - is a major remedy in treating Lyme Disease..... coincidence? Maybe. You decide.
Well, you'll be relieved to know that I might not be on here for awhile. I've got about 10 things that MUST be done in the next couple of weeks and there's nobody here but me to do them, so....
I'm going to try to keep up with READING here, though, but probably won't take time to post. (Hey, I heard that collective sigh of relief.... Yeah, I know I can be long-winded. Thanks for bearing with me.)
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Well all that theory is nice, Tracy, but have you applied it?
Have you tried a lyme disease constitutional?
I know you love studying classical homeopathy but if you haven't tried a constitutional, well...
I wouldn't be so quick to say someone cannot change their belief systems except through constitutional homeopathy.
There's no proof either way.
I will say Rumex Crispus did help my tickle cough, along with tincture of time and Transfer Factor. I was annoyed I didn't have the 200c and just spent $150 on the Part B remedy kit so now I have a full 100 remedies in 30c and 200c. I don't use acutes that frequently but I think its important to have them available when you need them.
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
Hello everyone...
Question..
If I put my saliva in a vial and tape it to my solar plexus and use lightworks... WIll that have an effect??
Or better yet, if I prick my finger for blood and use that instead?
What do you think?
And Sparkle.. YES i read the thread,,... I have been thinking it for a LOOOONG time. Thats all I will say.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Nice try Tracy! To even hope we might be bored by your replies. Great success at the tasks at your hands!
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Tracy, I am glad you are right! I wouldnt want the pressure otherwise. Its relieving to think that belief can help but is not necessary. I remember how hard I tried to believe in the religion I was brought up in and it was very painful and harmful to my spirit. So no... I dont want that pressure and that's probably one reason I posted about this here. I need balance and freedom. So thank you.
What about supporting hope and truth? If I realize I am hopeless or angry or whatever and it is part of my disease, it will help me to realize that it is part of my disease and I am hopeless, angry and then to possibly send "loving kindness". (as in the buddhist meditation). Does not require belief at all,,, just consciously sending/saying the words.. like EFT in a way). I want to find some peace in my mind with this and not feel I have to work so hard and be so defeated. Affirmations, meditation, make me feel better and that has to help.
The quantum ideology is that when you feel something as if it is happening, the act of that (like an olympic athelete going through a run or fantasizing) is very powerful. It probably is. Its also very difficult and I would hate to think that was my only way to change the energetic focus of my cells. At the same time, I think moments of the same can be powerful too.. like when you feel hopeful for a moment. Im not going to discount those feelings anymore. I'm going to think of them as cumulative.
My sister was healed by means I cannot totally grasp: energies, god, letting go even of emotional blocks. She didnt beat herself up doing it. That would be counter productive. She did it was presented to her. It took several years. She did say that she let go of things. Fear of dying was one thing she let go of. But since she did die, that was easier for her.
If I realize I am battling with the same types of people over and over, I can make a decision to walk away from that energy mix. That does help clear blocks.. and possibly rewrite something vital on a cellular level...reality is what we play on our tapes over and over each day and we can re-write them.. not all of them in the twinkle of an eye, but we can at least some of them.
I think it is liberating to know "it is not my fault" and not to add "sick person guilt syndrome" on top of everything else we deal with. So thank you.
I am on homeopathic detox as energetcially tested by my doctor. I was given Easily Angered a(and I only took a few sprays.. long story.. since then I have had all this anger "work" come up and the people to help me process.. amazing). Now she gives me a formula for complaining.. I complained.. we laughed and I take. My daughter was given Heart Ache for taking on the pains of others.. Its great I dont have to do anything but spray. No trusting, no nothing. In fact, I dont really trust it even.
Sparkle, Too bad about the Ali dude. He does reflect some of that Lipton is saying and I cant wait for The Living Matrix to come out. I am loving The Wisdom of the Cells on cd.
I also got books by Larry Dossey (from precentativ doc I go to while getting Meyers cocktails and glutathione pushes.. he has a lending library).. Healing Words & Space, Time Medicine. Studies showed non directed prayer very powerful.. when you do not know what you want or need and you just ask for "the higher good" .. this was done with seeds.
Klinghart hs entrainment CDs specific to the bugs. Wondering if those would be beneficial in awakening the body awareness.
Bob: >>Even our subconscious might not be a single entity, but a collective. Nothing is known to any depth about our spiritual make-up or how that spirit is involved in the physical world. Nor how it is weaved into the cellular structure that creates a functioning person.
One way of viewing our symptoms is a struggle with pathogens for existence. .>>
Thats an interesting point of view.
I'm trying www.nmt.md. My doc is sending me there. She has a good exprience clearning some MCS. We shall see.
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
Robin.. HEY!!! You need to get on facebook so we can chat!!
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Some thoughts:
I find that leaving out the word "is" in my dousing is more effective.
In other words instead of "is this good for me to eat?" Try "This is good for me to eat." Yes No
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Shandy, I think you might have to potentize the blood or saliva and make a remedy out of it to get much effect, but honestly I don't know. You could try dousing for it, and let us know if you get an answer.
I think that remedies made from blood and saliva can be very good and very powerful. I have used them briefly at times. Usually they test good for me at low potencies for only a couple of days.
Right now they don't test good for me at all. Too much information, I think, while I am agressively treating a few specific pathogens.
But I will come back to them, I'm sure, when more of this clears up. -----------------------
I had another thought about placebo.
At times I have called upon the energy of a remedy and held it in my consciousness, when I have not had access to it in the bottle or vial. I seems to help, and tests well. Funny, really.
What if in clinical studies those patients receiving the placebo instead of the medicine are actually unconsciously calling up the energy of the medicine because they believe they are taking it.
What if the reason some studies on homeopathy come back with poor results is because those not taking the homeopathics are actually subject to the energy of it. Therefore, everybody gets a bit better, but there is little clinical difference with the test group.
The nature of quantum...observation, tuning into something, changes the outcome.
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Bejoy, you may be on to something major there.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Bejoy, Isnt the energy in the bottle information in the field? If so, that would make sense..
Speaking of calling, information/energy can also be personalized into entities as well or imagery. Perhaps some people "ingest" energy that way as well.
I'm making "affirmation nosodes". Why not? Won't hurt. I feel like I am calling at least a healing energy into my field.
I can't comprehend all the nosode protocol yet and not ready with dowsing... afraid to use the wrong vial.
Robin
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Wow, I'm kind of lost, I think I can't follow everything here as I'm busy these days with my own experiments... Anyway...
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Unexpected, many, many of us had done that. Specially with blood, these are called AUTONOSODES.
The real substance, undiluted, in my opinion, will not work as well as the HOMEOPATHIC dilution of blood.
when you hurt your finger, you may suck the blood coming out, and that doesn't make your body recognize the pathogens in your blood, because this is merely blood. A chemical substance. You won't start herxing from this act.
Now, if instead of sucking your blood from the finger, you put the same blood into a vial, dilute it, sucuss it, and do other dilutions, on and on, adding more and more water to it, well, then you got a nosode.
And if by accident, you ingest that water that even may NOT contain ANY BLOOD WHASOEVER because of so much dilution, well, then you could have the herx of your life.
That is what these nosodes CAN do.
Now, I'm not sure that adding only mere blood to a vial and tape it to solar plexus then treat would make any result. Maybe that is what dr. W. proposed? I am really in doubt.
You may sucuss your blood that you mixed with water (you HAVE to mix it with something liquid or it will dry and photons won't read it right?).
This sucussion will create a frequency and even if you don't dilute it further, you'll have a 'strong' nosode that can be read through photons, as it is homeopathic!!
I will try to go to my own tests to see if unsuccussed blood works with photons. I really doubt that.
--- The saliva experiment is going for me on another level. Saliva is acid, so many pathogens can't thrive there, that is one reason animals lick their wounds.
but I do choose saliva to create autonosodes to do a remedy for flu, virus etc. Or something related to the upper part of the digestive tract...
I guess for lyme and coinfections, blood would be still best (just my feeling). The only problem is in the amount of information.
If you want to erradicate (or treat) one disease well, the best, in my experience, is to go ONE by ONE, if you can.
Like borrelia, it is a smart and difficult pathogen in itself, with different forms (L forms, and some others I forgot...), and with extreme toxicity. So if you target, let's say, babesia and borrelia at once, wow, either you get a too big herx, or your body simply can't do it, the task gets too big OR confusing.
At least, that is how I have experimented using nosodes.
Sometimes, I can't do a single treatment though, when I'm too symptomatic of two critters at once. Then I add the other critter nosode. But if not, I try to treat only one at a time, specially with photons. I feel it is more effective done one by one.
Same for Bejoy, she keeps repeating that.
If you ingest nosodes (NOT through photons), the message is weaker, so I find I can ingest 2 different nosodes, even 3 A DAY SOMETIMES.
For instance, I treat with candida albicans nosode in the AM -ingested, late afternoon I treat with L-form nosode of candida - also ingested, and maybe can even treat my local skin infection of mucor racemosus with rubbed nosodes of Muc. rac.some other time of the day. And still get good general results.
With photons, I'm more careful to do multiple killing for a few reasons:
1- is that I usually treat with MANY potencies at once, not only a single nosode, which is something VERY STRONG in itself
2- as the message through photons is without doubt MUCH stronger, I find it confusing or bad to give another strong message SIMULTANEOUSLY, through photons. It's like I'm telling my body 'turn right' AND 'turn left' at the same time.
3- the communication through photons is much stronger, so I have more trouble to eliminate toxins. One thing I just realized now, is that when I take the message through photons, my body is in CONSTANT KILLING MODE, without pause.
Very different from ingestable nosodes, that need multiple intake (at least, once a day), or herbs that need intake about 2-4 times a day, or abx, same as herbs. We need to keep remembering the body (ingested nosodes) OR we need to ingest killers to have killing being done, right? So the cycle ingest - kill - toxins /herx building up comes. But THERE'S A PAUSE IN BETWEEN.
Now, with nosodes THROUGH photons, this is very different. We are SLOWLY killing WITHOUT STOP for days and days to come. If there's a feeling of herx, the feeling is more or less continuous, not like with ingestable things.
It is not brutal and sudden like with any other ingestable treatments I've done. Meaning, that we take cleansers and the herx is gone. No. It doesn't happen like that.
If one doesn't do the SAME on the cleaning side, I mean, getting a NON STOP CLEANSING method, either by IV HOMEOPATHICS like dr. W. is doing, or by Photon-homeopathics, well, you can be doomed, I FEEL. That is I start to believe.
See Sparkle and her mycoplasma treatment. Just one nosode at a time = loads of problems to detox.
No way, the continuous killing ask, in my feeling, continuous cleansing. I don't think, like Sparkle, that a simple equation 'one killer, few cleansers' will solve the equation.
I find the equation is more like 'one constant killer, a few constant cleansers'. Always, even with herbs, my feeling was that to find good killers was easy, but to clean the mess after, that was where our problems started.
No same treatment for each person, each bug asks for different cleansers, each person's phase in the disease asks for different cleansers too, each person's weak points (liver, kidney, lymph)asks for different cleansers and I never could get out well without the help of individualized homeopathics that kept constantly changing.
That is why in my case, I'm taking BARELY any herbal cleaning stuff. Really, even not chlorella, as my body is asking for homeopathic chlorella D3 and later, probably will ask for a D6 dilution. My body doesn't want the real chlorella anymore. Before I was EATING chlorella to survive after herxes.
I'm on almost exclusively HOMEOPATHIC cleansers. They act in the same level as nosodes and the effect is 'deeper' in that sense. I'm also on homeopathic cleaners THROUGH photons, to counterbalance.
Similar to the ones dr. W. uses (some are the same), but I take them with photons, in different days from nosodes, and from different intake points than nosodes (nosodes I take from solar plexus, and these cleansers, from my 3rd eye).
I just realized now that there are other intake points in the body too (like the Mediastinum for some other type of treatments...). Or maybe, it's just me, individually, I don't know...
We're on continuous monitoring of all detox organs, specially liver, lymph, intestines and kidneys, supporting them with INDIVIDUALIZED homeopathic substances (impossible to suggest the same treatment for another person). Daughter and I.
My daughter is suffering a bit with our experiments, I feel, so do I. I said that I never got so much liver stress since I fell sick with lyme like I'm having now. My liver, in the moment, is okay, but I need a multiple approach to keep it right, and so does my daughter (and the treatment is not the same...).
-- Good news: I just retested my bacterial box with nosodes. I'm positive for strep, but I'm testing for very few of them now!!! Before, everything was testing!!
I will continue doing the test in the days to come...
I would like to aks if anyone here has treated with BORRELIA 1,000K and what was the outcome.
It is very clear to me, now that I'm only on borrelia C potencies, that the disease is moving to a more 'energetic' level than 'real' level. We're both on the 30C and 200C.
-- I don't know if I said before, but I do think that when we stop using the D dilutions (because they stop testing), we should try to ask about C dilutions. Not only for borrelia, but specially for other persistent pathogens.
Bejoy for her Myc TB bovis, Sparkle for her Mycoplasma... Just a suggestion for energetic tests. I'm doing that for both borrelia and TB bovis. Daughter is doing that for her autonosodes with ureaplasma (now she's only on C dilutions) and with borrelia (same, only C are testing).
-- Tracy, I recieved a table from my lyme homeopath and he gave me a potency correspondence table... I mean, how to convert in between C, D, LM...
I wonder if you ever heard about that and what would be the use of it...
Tracy, great explanation!
-- I got my procaine hydrochloride 1%, for injections, non homeopathic, and I just sucussed it so much until it started testing good!
I'm not using it in the next days, but I'm building my own Procainum compositum from Heel (out of the market). It tests amazingly good...
I'm soo sleepy, gotta go now.
Posted by heiwalove (Member # 6467) on :
wow, this is SO fascinating to me. all of it. so much to learn. thank you for posting, everyone, and keep it coming.
selma, how do you make homeopathic potencies of chlorella?? and what other homeopathic cleansers (through photons) are you using? do you prepare them yourself? also, where do you obtain homeopathic dilutions of singular infections? (it's my understanding that desbio remedies are combination remedies..)
robin, i think sending loving kindness to yourself and to your feelings of fear and hopelessness, etc, is a wonderful idea, and something i'm going to try as well. it can only energetically enhance the healing process.
Posted by heiwalove (Member # 6467) on :
ps. shandy, as selma said, i think treating with blood homeopathic dilutions is a powerful step, and perhaps in your case one that should wait until you have less symptoms/have treated the infections one at a time. you might get a mother of a herx reaction that could potentially be dangerous.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Dowsing for Health. Very visual book.. like the DK books. Covers basics well, esp for visual learners who need lots of colorful pics. Even gets into spinal dowsing and dowsing for reflexology points. So many more.. very good comprehensive beginner book.
Selma, I was testing to not use any detox agents for a bit. Today, I'm testing to use them again. I'm treating with mycoplasmas - so, it may be a different issue than Bb or other things.
My feeling is that my body has to learn how to heal itself & it needs time to learn how to handle the mycoplasmas. This is why I don't have to detox so much.
I've been testing NO to Lyme.
The mycoplasmas are plenty strong so I don't think I could deal with much more.
I don't have a before & after experience of using advanced homeopathic treatments. I agree that the biophotons seems to make it very strong. One session with a remedy can last weeks.
I've just been depending on my bobber to do medical dowsing on this. I don't know if any of this is going to produce long term results, yet.
It's difficult going through this but something is happening.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Oops, I didn't reply to Oxy's post - sorry.
As to first question about applying `theory', yes, I believe I have.
As to second question, I don't know what a `lyme disease constitutional' is. To the best of my knowledge, there is no such thing.
As to 3rd comment, I have taken my constitutional remedy - briefly and intermittently - as indicated by my homeopath.
As to the 4th comment, `despair of recovery' has nothing to do with a `belief system', and nobody said that Arsenicum was the `constitutional remedy' in the example given.
As to the 5th comment about proof, some would say there's not proof of anything with homeopathy! (Which isn't true, I might add.) I guess you either learn how to use it in a fashion so it works for you, or you don't and it doesn't. It can take some effort, and some trial and error, for sure.
Yes, Robin - it DOES take the pressure off - well said. And when you are relaxed and not blaming yourself, you are in a better state to begin making small changes and accept healing in whatever form it comes, IMHO.
Selma, you said: **'' Tracy, I recieved a table from my lyme homeopath and he gave me a potency correspondence table... I mean, how to convert in between C, D, LM..... I wonder if you ever heard about that and what would be the use of it...''
I would love to see that, Selma. I know how to convert between C and D, but the LMs are still confusing for me. Is it something you can send me by e-mail? If not, don't worry about it. Knowing how to `equate' remedies among the different `potency series' available helps to know when to stop taking C potencies and move into LMs, etc.
Okay, back to my ``rat killin''' (unpleasant, necessary tasks).
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Tracy, my point is it's still theory with you. You haven't treated lyme--or really stuck with a constitutional remedy--you have treated acutes and do so every few days at times. Therefore you could post experiences with acutes and feel fairly confident that they are helping you. Your underlying problems persist, and maybe a constitutional would fix them, but until that happens, we don't know if it's more than theory.
I think it's good to learn theory, but until we have proof in practice of stuff, it's kind of irrelevant, and I think there are many ways to approach healing. Therefore I *do* believe someone can change belief systems--could be through a practice of meditation, could be through a practice of a spiritual practice, could perhaps be through homeopathy, could be through a life-changing relationship, could be through an NDE (as per R62's sister), there are many approaches.
When Selma posts that the photons have rid her of her skin problem that nothing else helped--that influences me more than theory about homeopathy.
By lyme constitutional--I mean you mentioned that people with lyme despair of getting well and this is mentioned in arsenicum and that is often used for lyme.
I like to see evidence--through experience.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Heiwa, yes I prepare my own homeopathic chlorella out of crushed chlorela and some alcohol. I prepare the tincture the way herbalists prepare herbal tinctures, then use the tincture as a mother tincture to do the chlorella homeopathic.
I never seen anyone using chlorella homeopathic, so this is totally new. It can have strong effects, I think, but we at home are having no trouble. We both been with normal chlorella for years (my daughter and I) so we don't have much to detox in the matrix, except when new herxes come up.
so this is again experimental. I just find that we don't test for normal chlrolla anymore, and wanted to get benefits from it still. When I did the dilutions, my body kept saying yes, and so did my daughter's. So we are on D3 dilutions, very easy to do, and next will probably be D6 dilutions. We^'re still not ready for the D6 though.
As for D3, we take only once a day, a few drops (3-5).
And we started doing that because I feel that the PE1 plus nosodes ask MORE for homeopathic cleansers than actual cleansers. Just still a feeling and in experimentation. Before photons, we were on real chlorella.
I'm using mostly Heel products to clean, in vials, to be injected (but I take them through photons). Sometimes I redilute the vials into higher potencies, if they test good, I take them like that in my vials.
I'm a fan of Ubichinon combined with Citrokehl (that is citric acid, if you read the article you'll see how important this is for cell energy and well functioning), plus Coenzyme compositum. Amazing mix for any chronic diseases and it works in the cellular level.
Then I use some of products recommended by dr. W. for organ support, like solidago (kidney), Hepar comp (liver). My daughter needs lymphomyosot (lymph drainage) but I don't. I continue with my cardamon 2-3 times a day and I think it has been enough for me.
I also added galium for myself and will add soon some procaine.
Still, I have trouble with my liver, so, we're on other stuff for it. My daughter still get troubles with her GI tract, so we add things for her.
The constant killing feels different from normal herxes, but they are herxes! For me, it's important to have a normal life, as much normal as possible, with all these on going killings. That is why I'm very careful to add things to clean and keep asking all organs, the same way ART does, daily.
But some people are tougher or detox better than me and daughter...
As for nosodes, my sources are 3: -many bacterial nosodes I bought from different pharmaceutical companies in Germany, they come in vials for testing;
- Sanum nosodes that are meant to be rubbed on skin OR ingested, they have some L-forms of different most common pathogens and in my opinion, the quality is very good.
- autonosodes, homemade, even done with blood or secretions. I find these address even better than the nosodes we buy from the pharmacy, but the trick is to get the liquid coming from the place where infection is concentrated.
For example, I had wounds with pus secretions and blood (sorry for the description...) coming from my joints infected with Myc TB bovis. So I take the blood from the wounds, but it does come with much more than blood, right? So I use this blood to treat Myc TB bovis. It is DIFFERENT, in my opinion (Tracy??!!!), than merely taking blood from a finger prick or from artery/ vein.
This is because it has MORE of the pathogen creating trouble, it probably has L-forms, antibodies from the pathogen in higher concentration than if taken from other part of the body. Plus it probably has some anti-toxins our bodies try to create to fight against their toxic burden, which makes a very good 'specific' remedy, in my experience.
My daughter used her own liquids from knee pucntion to fight her coinfections (I created an autonosode with the liquid).
Her borrelia load there was low (muscle tested with slides), but the load of ureaplasma was big, plus she got all other nasty TBI coinfections there, and still staphilococcus-something was also there (found in the liquid analysis in the hospital).
She needed no treatment with nosodes of staph or other co-infection nosodes to get rid of these infections, BUT she needed separate treatment for borrelia, that was present in very low numbers in her knee. That is what we did.
-- Oxy, I think for me, that am very 'practical', somehow down to earth concerning treatments (even though it may not look like that!!), I find classic homeopathy helps in a level that is not very 'measurable'.
I also keep telling Tracy that I didn't believe homeopathy alone could get my lyme down, AT LEAST not in a time frame that would fit to what I wanted. Even though there's literature describing some successes.
But I never felt this was for 'my garden', as I know I am a difficult case and I felt close to death, very clearly... I remember when I first read 'lyme bacteria is difficult to erradicate' I had a shiver.
I knew what it was to have infections that are difficult to erradicate as I had been fighting these skin infections for more than a decade before I fell sick with lyme.
So I always felt I needed some fast solution for the lyme problem, or the fastest solution would have been giving up.
That is the main reason I was totally nervous and couldn't really give time for the classical approach to work. It could work, theoretically, I think, but was I going to have time to test that?
I had a success story with my gastritis and husband with his eczema. I think I was practically cured of my chronic gastritis, and hubby could live his life normally after using the classical approach, even though he's not totally cured. But his life got to a point it was unbearable. And it was classical homeopathy that gave his life back. It took time, but, we both know he owes that to homeopathy.
but I never stopped using the classical approach because I think it brings healing in another level. A bit like we get healed in our 'spirits', more than in the real body. That was my feeling.
who knows that my body would get healed if I gave time to it, years or what? Or if I could reach remission a few times and it was ALSO because of the classical approach , somehow?
It's difficult to say. But anyway, now with photons, loads of things open up. And here, in this photon treatment trial we are all doing, it is HOMEOPATHY that is in the center.
Not the classical approach, but what is killing is basically the homeopathic nosodes merely boosted by photons.
So I really appreciate Tracy's comments on this classical approach and her knowledge on many other types of homeopathic substances! I think we can only win learning more and more about it.
the Aurum arsenicosum, indicated for the syphilitic character problem (sorry, Tracy, I forgot the exact term), I used twice. Once, loooong ago, and it felt good. Who knows that didn't help me to get into remission before?
Now I used again, in the 'end' of this fight with borrelia. It again feels doing a profound thing, even though I used it only for my liver (I thought so!!).
It is sooo difficult to measure things in homeopathy, no matter which approach we use. Even this mere nosode story, the more one gets treated with higher potencies, the whole world of real symptoms and next to 'spiritual' symptoms (I can barely make a name to describe what I want to say) start to merge.
For example, now I became a musical person. I was always musical before I got sick with crhonic infections. Then, music got lost somewhere in my life. Now I can't stop the music around, no matter what type of music, it is giving me so much. So when i don't listen to music, I sing, I play, I crave music like I craved oily foods during high lyme infection!!!
Who would have said that lack of music was a lyme symptom? I even didn't know. Now I know, it was a chronic infection symptom, whether from lyme or from skin infection, I don't know.
And I can list a load more of things I didn't call symptom, but that now I know they were related to chronic state of disease. Looking out for people, being inquisitive in the positive sense, looking at people in their eyes and finding so much pleasure in social exchange, never letting people step on me ANYMORE, craving to read again, tasting food like I haven't eaten for a month (I chew and suck fruits and food like I starved for months!), etc etc.
Some days, I feel I don't know myself or my body, I'm learning that with my own reactions. It's literally like the sun now shines inside my house, exactly like before, but before I didn't see the sun.
And to think that I'm still sick with lyme, as my borrelia nosodes still test on and off...
I hope this will last, but who knows? So far, I feel there's an excellent combination in between all sorts of homeopathic approaches, photons, and mere Nogier frequencies, that is all I can say.
These 3 things are 'enough' for me as treatment tools /options , for the moment. -- Tracy, I'll send you the table of convergence in private.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Well, I did it again, accidentally using too many products at once.
I was grumpy yesterday and really resenting having to take time to do treatment. My lightworks has now started testing as needing 60 to 90 minutes.
That makes me grumpy. I'd rather be doing other things. I'm ordering a PE-1 to see if I can bring the time down.
So I treated for borrelia garinii, babesia microti, and mycobacterium TB all at once. All together these tested as mild but good and okay to treat together.
Then I got irritated because I forgot to test if I should be treating for fungals.
So right after almost an hour of light I go in my metal cabinet full of homeopathics and nosodes, pull out a bottle of FNG that I haven't used before, and test for it. Should I take some under the tongue right now?
Yes, No, Yes, No, No. Maybe tomorrow. (Note that I usually test a substance holding it touching my solar plexus.)
This morning in bed I notice the smell of ammonia, which can be a sign of mycotoxins in the brain.
So I notice today that I am hammered. Bad body aches all over, and cranky! My cortisol is low and I don't want to move.
Then I also notice that my GI candida symptoms are not showing up today at all. I've been extremely windy and gurgly for a couple weeks. Today not at all, despite devouring half a loaf of home made bread.
So then I remember what a knuckle head I was yesterday. It appears that holding a new unopened brown bottle right after a long light treatment gave me a good dose.
I may have found another new favorite for me though. I know I've had some pretty severe fungal issues.
This stuff has about 36 different different fungals and molds, eight of those being strains of candida, and also including aspergillis, and a bunch I've never heard of.
It also has homeopathic for mycotoxins, metal detox, and a pile of other homeopathics.
I'm thinking my whole family needs this. We've had basement floods, and our basement is full of spores and moldy things that I have not been in good enough health to venture to clean out.
Lets see if this will clear out the red puffy rashes from my poor little childrens toes.
But my main point is, try not to be a knuckle head like I have been a few times now. "Plan your dive and dive your plan."
I hope you all are having a good day today!
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Jacques Beneviste took samples of adrenaline, nicotine and caffeine, and sequentially placed them on the input plate of an electronic instrument (EDS), that could ``read'' the resonance of the substance.
The EDS instrument was connected to his computer's modem and the resonances e-mailed to a colleague.
The transmitted resonances were downloaded, transmitted into a similar EDS instrument and then imprinted into water on the EDS output plate.
This water was given to subjects who reacted as if given adrenaline, nicotine or caffeine respectively.
Also he demonstrated that the e-mailed resonance of heparin could influence the clotting of stored blood.
The 17th Century French philosopher, Descartes, so influenced western scientific medical thinking that nothing is now generally acceptable by allopaths that cannot be measured or proven according to established Cartesian principles.
All biological responses were supposedly linked to a 'lock and key' principle, where reactions could only occur following specific physical stimuli.
This became even more entrenched over the past decades with the emphasis on a pharmaceutical treatment for every illness.
However, a surprising internet report earlier this year concerning the USA Government's research into anti-terrorism, revealed that research was under way to investigate whether cell-phones could be adapted to detect the "resonance" of anthrax spores in the air.
The report stated that every protein apparently has its own unique resonance.
If this is so, it tends to give credence to what homoeopaths have maintained for over two centuries, namely that tinctures and milk tablets could be somehow imprinted with a potentised memory of a herb, mineral or compound.
Their therapies were experiential, albeit physically unprovable.
The exact mechanism whereby homoeopathic remedies supposedly exert their effect, has been incomprehensible when tested under orthodox criteria.
This included the supposed fact that a resonance or a 'memory' can linger on in a solution, long after any atoms of the substance have disappeared.
Jacques Beneviste, a French scientist, had a paper published in Nature 15 years ago, demonstrating that water could indeed retain the memory of a substance that could be effectively used to treat allergies.
The editor, not understanding Beneviste's methodology, denigrated his paper, with the latter suffering considerable professional harm as a consequence.
However, he was able to continue his research with a greatly reduced budget, and in March 1999 presented his findings at Cambridge University's Cavendish Physics Laboratory to a hall full of scientists, including Sir Andrew Huxley, past president of the Royal Society, and the physicist Professor Brian Josephson, both Nobel Laureates.
The audience was therefore presumably able to appreciate his presentation.
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I'm doing OK today. I had a bad headache & flu-like symptoms but it's subsiding. I think it's best to keep the treatments simple & try not to do too many things at once.
This is just my experience.
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Thanks Selma and Bejoy for more fascinating updates. I really appreciate reading and learning from you both.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Wow. Amazing Sparkle and thank you Selma, Bejoy, and Tracy.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Bejoy... poor you.
It's already a lot to do TB with other things. I hope you'll manage to have a good day.
As I said, I'm now treating the surrounding field of my body, and it goes very far away. So I see why dr. W. leaves the room and no one enters it. Photons can go very far away.
And I do rest about 15 minutes after a session, as I think I need the time to absorb and start to stop emitting too many photons... So if I touched some homeopathy after that... I don't know.
I even wonder if we couldn't SPOIL the homeopathy with our own photon information soon after a photon treatment (meaning, I would just photoon some of my TB nosodes into my Heel products just by touching these, for example??) without knowing?
So, definitively, after a photon treatment, attach yourself to your bed or sofa and don't move!!
-- sparkle, thanks for the info on LEDs, email frequencies etc! sounds promising!!
I had used LEDs with homeopathics but it's not as strong as photons, I feel. It maybe more useful to detox metals? I never did it though, but only used to absorb homeopathics...
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Oxy, I have a request..... would you possibly e-mail Peter Alex and ask if that `proving' of Borrelia-b. was ever completed? I don't have his e-mail addy and can't find it online. He's one person I'm sure would be aware if the proving was ever completed. I'm VERY interested in finding out what symptoms showed up in the provers - especially the mental/emotional ones.
Oxy, I don't know what `theory' you speak of. Mine? Homeopathic theory? Please be more specific - perhaps refer to a specific post I've made - as I'm unable to unravel your `complaint'. Perhaps you missed some of my earlier posts on the board about what I'm doing and why?
Speaking of `theory', you said: **''You haven't treated lyme--or really stuck with a constitutional remedy--..... Your underlying problems persist, and maybe a constitutional would fix them, but until that happens, we don't know if it's more than theory.''**
So, it appears that `your theory' is that I should be taking a constitutional remedy to see if it `fixes' my underlying problems? Perhaps you should try out that `theory' yourself, since it appears to be yours. Perhaps it would fix some of your underlying problems? I certainly don't have to be the one to do it! I have a different plan at the moment and Lyme isn't even my prime focus. But feel free to test your own theory(ies) and post about it here.
As to acute problems, are you asking that I post about all those that I treat? Well, anyway, no can do. There isn't enough time, between my issues, my friends, animals.... and it's not photon or Lyme-related anyway. If there is something pertinent, I'll post about it, though.
Meanwhile, just ignore my posts if you aren't satisfied with the `proof in practice of stuff'. I won't be offended. If I haven't offered enough evidence to suit you, I understand.
I `prove' the efficacy of homeopathics to myself several times a month, and I also run into mysteries to unravel. Selma once said something to the effect that every step she has taken in her own treatment - both steps forward and backward - have all been necessary because they taught her so much. That's how I feel, too. It's just that Selma is moving at the speed of light, and I'm moving at the speed of molasses.
As to homeopathic `theory', it helps me decipher what may be happening with the addition of photons by understanding the basic laws, tenants, and philosophies that are the foundation of homeopathic practice. I am hoping it might shed some light for others, as well, which is why I post about it. It is often helpful to know where you are going if you understand a little about where others have already gone. Of course, everyone has the option to Scroll On By (S.O.B.) if it isn't something that interests you.
Thanks, Selma! You said: **'' So I take the blood from the wounds, but it does come with much more than blood, right? So I use this blood to treat Myc TB bovis. It is DIFFERENT, in my opinion (Tracy??!!!),...''**
I'm sure it IS different, Selma! I think that's an excellent observation! The original `nosodes' were taken from the sores and tumors of afflicted patients, and they worked beautifully.
For instance, the Tuberculinum nosode was originally prepared from a tubercular abscess; Variolinum (small-pox nosode) was prepared from lymph from a small-pox pustule. (Sorry to be a bit gross, folks.) These days, cultivated human tubercular bacillus can be used for Tuberculinum, etc.... Which labs do which? And which is likely to be more effective? Likely, most Western labs use the cultivated form, and places like India use the `old' way. I'm guessing, but I'll bet that is the case. Personally, I'd rather have the `old-style' stuff because it's likely to contain antibodies and other `information' simply not there in a cultivated microbial culture that is sterilized before being made into a nosode. How much have we `lost' by doing this?
Selma, I think the photons have `opened' up some healing pathway. I've always thought that the biggest problem with homeopathics is that they have to find their way around the `murkiness' of the human. The `disease' isn't a big problem, but the human is. It can be like trying to get through a rat maze. You used everything at your disposal to `guide' you through the maze that is YOU. Do you sort of see it that way?
And BTW, I just love everyone's descriptions of their `encounters' - the good and the not-so-great. I laugh and I am inspired. When Selma talks about what is happening to her, I get goose bumps. It's like watching someone `born again' almost....
WELL!
I simply can't respond to all the great posts here. And I'm now TWO MORE DAYS BEHIND when I said I was going to disappear for awhile..... (the whole thing with Gigi has been very distracting and I just hope we learn `the whole story' at some point.)
So, if I don't respond to a question after this, well, you'll know why.....
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Tracy, basically I'm just curious what you experience from homeopathy--at least for my taste. Others will read the theory. I never found the theory helped me too much. If Selma is getting healthier and healthier, from actual practices, that influences me. Same with bejoy, or those who improved from Bionic...
If I take rumex crispus for a tickling cough and it helps (though transfer factor also helped), that's more meaningful to me than lots of theory...speculations...explanations...
For instance I basically can't stand that hpathy.com site. It's so confusing, most of the time. So much theory and so many explanations that run on endlessly. Occasionally helpful, but...Their explanation of cough remedies kept me FROM rumex crispus for over a week. Not until googling an experience a homeopath had with John Bastyr---with bronchitis and a tickling cough--did I see a concise description that matched mine.
Unfortunately I did not have the full 100 remedies at 200c, and I need 200c of the rumex, 30c is only somewhat helpful. Should be coming soon.
That hpathy site is FULL OF theory it just weighs me down. To me its blather.
I'm talking about the theory of miasms, i.e. the theory that you can't change "despair of ever getting well" if it is part of your constitutional picture and you don't take a remedy. That's theory to me...
If you come to us and say, hey, I finally did use my constitutional remedy for x period of time and my personality changed and my symptoms improved by leaps and bounds...I'll believe you...until then, this is theory.
Others do like your theory posts, so...
I don't know where I put Peter Alex's address. It's not in my Outlook nicknames. You could contact the publisher?
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Again, assuming that `despair of recovery' is part of a `constitutional picture' is not what I said. But it is a `symptom'. Otherwise, it wouldn't show up in provings. That's not theory; that's fact.
If Rumex-c `helped' your cough but didn't cure it, it may have been a `close' remedy but not quite the right one..... but sometimes, with acutes, close is good enough! It can get you through the worst of something.
Hpathy isn't really designed for laypeople, at least not at this time.
Selma, do you still have Peter Alex's e-mail address?
Hmmm. Well, the publisher doesn't always respond - it's a tiny operation - but I could try.....
If not, I can go back through the book and find out who was going to do the proving - I think it was the Dutch Homeopathic Society, though that doesn't sound quite right. I can write to a Dutch homeopath I know - maybe he'll be willing to do some digging.
And/or I can drop a note to a German homeopath I know.... she's familiar with Lyme and she might have heard something.....
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Rumex seemed right, I just felt I needed 200c because I had to take it every fifteen minutes or half hour.
I take issue with the rather negative idea that you can't change something unless through classical homeopathy--the idea that miasms are destiny, sort of.
Lots of things influence a life.
I think the publisher would put you in touch with Peter Alex. Or maybe he has a website if you google around.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Regarding Miasms.. this is what I am wondering.. if they do exist, then they are energetically part of cellular memory/dna. The nosodes carry a specific message for the miasm.. so that makes sense.
But if I were to break old family tree bonds in an energetic way, could I do the same thing?
The miam treatment seems much easier.
I have a friend.. no idea if she had miams or waht kind.. terrible family dynamics (including mental illness) and very difficult obstacles in her life. Yet she did a lit of family or origin work.. constellation therapy and seems to have broken free. She is very healthy. And for all she went though, the traumas.. you would think the outcome would be much different. So either she had miasms that she cleared by doing the energetic family dynamics work, or she didnt have them, which make me wonder about her family being so ill..
I have the syphilis miasm (cant remember the proper term). Is it truly associated with past spirichete infection in the family lineage or is it an energy bundle of sorts that is just called that?
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Robin--you mean her family was mentally ill, physically ill or both?
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
So, what happened with the 200C?
I take issue with that idea you posted about miasms, too! Where in the world did you get that idea? And now you're the one bringing up `theory', lol....
I don't know where that comes from but don't be confused: The ability to alter or subdue miasms represents HOPE and opportunity! This is a complete change from what we were told for years about `genetics' and `inherited traits' - that we're sort of stuck with whatever we're born with or the traumas we acquire. Well, you've studied Epigenetics - it's like that, or at least similar. Many `traits' can be altered that we previously thought were `fixed'. The homeopaths knew this a century ago.
There are probably lots of ways to `change'..... however, I challenge anybody to offer a cheaper, easier, gentler way of doing it than with homeopathics. (Okay, other than a `spiritual awakening' - that would be the best.) Heck, it's at least worth a look. Just hearing about what Robin's friend went through shows how much work it can be.......
And look at the `remedies' the AI folks are taking..... by all accounts, they sound like `miasmatic remedies', although I don't know if Gigi or anyone actually called them that. But hearing the descriptions of what they do sure fits.......
Yeah, thanks for your help re Peter Alex....
Robin, regarding your syph miasms question, I'm not sure. I think it's a question that would be hotly debated among homeopaths themselves.
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
I haven't received it in the mail yet, and I'm almost over the cough/cold.
I should have gotten 100 30c's and 100 200c's in the beginning. Even if I don't use remedies every day, I like to have a full kit at my disposal.
Well it's not worth debating. I just have to go with those who are actually treating and recovering, by whatever means, not those who study but haven't actually treated and had big improvements. Practical information is most helpful to me. I just don't have time or energy for endless study or speculation.
Also I disagree it offers hope when you suggest it is the only way--can't be changed by effort, by anything, but the proper remedy--am I understanding this incorrectly? If so, let me know.
I feel hopeful from bejoy's and Selma's reports. I can see it's a LOT of work but it seems worth it. Look how much better they are doing.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Oxy, Mentally ill for sure with mom, probaby with dad. I am not sure of physically ill. Maybe that makes a difference. The miasms only present physically? Whatver the case, bad family vibes to get past, unblock.
Another question would be if miasms can be treated with photons.. but thats way ahead of teh game for me.. or is it.. Treating miams either with the drops or with photons before treating lyme might be a good idea?
If so, I am having my doctor energetically test next time.. assuming she can test whether to treat now or later, but insights from you all would be appreciated.
I am preparing to start with the LW. Liver tests and detox pathways checked/tested/cleared as much as possible. I am assuming there is no perfect scenerio here where you are 100% ready and clear to start a therapy like this.. amalgams I am assuming are safe as far as we know with the LW.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Tracy... yes it was a lot of work.
If homeopathy can "clear" some of this "static" then that would be fantastic.. esp for children who do not have the capacity to "work" themselves out of it.
My sister, who was healed.. and it still took work and time on her part to work with the energy and to change her perceptions.. has said to me on several occasions that people dont heal or hold healings because they have blocks.. and sometimes those blocks are emotional and repersent in some way an inability to shange perspective.. and this can cover miles of ground here in what that means. Like Eric Pearl realized.. some people are attached to being sick.. one example.
So if we clear miasms or emotional blocks.. does that mean they dont go back if the person is not able or dare say.. willing to not be attached to being sick.. could this be why some children heal faster?
I dont like at all blame the sick person.. and would love to believe the drops can take care of all of it.. so I will not be offended if you say they can!
I am also thinking of Bruce Lipton talking about the unconscious tapes we replay everyday.. that control our conscious awareness more than we know.. the only way to change the tapes is to rewrite them, he says.. He refers to energy psychology as helpful when we are struggling.
Do the homeopathics work at a deeper level than what he is calling the subconscious? Hard for me to clear the difference between subconscious and cellular because they are part of each other???
Robin
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Tracy >>And look at the `remedies' the AI folks are taking..... by all accounts, they sound like `miasmatic remedies', although I don't know if Gigi or anyone actually called them that. But hearing the descriptions of what they do sure fits.......>>
I was told energy of the substance wrapped in photon bundles .. somthing like that..
Would that be miasmic or more like energetically charged water with photons in it?
I have no clue, obviously.;-)
I would like to make an informed decision.
(Please excuse my typos.. my wrist and albow joints are very off lately.)
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Tracy, do you know an easy(ier) reader for homeopathic theory with some depth to it? I understand its not for lay people in that I think one would really need to study and apprentice unless they are more special than me to get it (and be accredited however they do that to practice it), but neither is the treatment of lyme and other TBD for lay people according to some people.
When my sister was in her healing mode (sorry my best and only example), she had medical books that she would refer to when she was learning the human body. Never became a doctor, but she learned enough to heal herself and to eventually be able to do some intuitive medical work. Seems pain and passion often lead to interesting outcomes.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
In my experience, it's best to go really slow with treatments with the LightWorks. It is very strong & subtle. We really don't know that much about it. You may have an adverse reaction. I believe it may be cumulative.
At one point in my life, I did something called "sequential therapy with homeopathy". You go through all the traumas in your life via taking remedies from current time through the past. It was interesting but didn't seem to effect me all that much.
Treating with this mycoplasma set with the infrared light is very much more intense. I don't have a huge amount of experience with homeopathy but when you add the infrared light it makes it very strong.
All the stuff about miasms & constitutional remedies is very interesting but mycoplasmas are very "up front & personal" to me right now... I can actually taste them - if that makes any sense. It's like having a very bad flu - not a herx.
I still have some of my mercury fillings. I would like to get them removed & replaced but I haven't been able to afford it just yet. I have had standard tests for mercury & they were all very low. I also asked my bobber & it said it was OK to go ahead.
It may turn out that my main issue is mycoplasmas. I'm still suffering with this. I only took the remedy with the light 4 times (1 at 200X & 3 at 100X potency). It's still working in my body & I have been ill due to it.
It may be debatable as to what is going on but it "feels" like something is happening. I just have to go along with it. I don't feel it's necessary to go forward with any other treatment right now.
Mycoplasmas are plenty to handle... (Tracy- I re-posted your article that you added here to the other thread. Thanks for the info.)
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Sparkle... are you using nogiers or the constant mode? Are you asking each point and then getting different answers for each one?
You are working with desbio and using asrya to help identify what to work on? and or the bobber.. if the bobber/tensor/pendulum. how do you ask?
Then are you testing for each potency each time or using them all at once?
Sorry if this is repeat.. I think I am starting to get it...
Are you using any detox nosodes.. and if so or not so are you using other detox?
Lastly.. related, but I am so frightened I will bring up.. anyone had creepy feelings in joint.. shaky weak wrist and hands? I cannot figure if this is toxins or need to use more antimicrobials. I hate this feeling of not knowing. The pendulum is of no help or I dont know how to ask. My muscles are so weak. Up to 12 drops X2 a day of cumanda and enula and 12 X one a day of samento. I am drinking magnesium over 100o mg and getting meyers cocktails (just started). My joints feel like they are falling apart. I feel like my whole skeleton is coming unhinged.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I experimented with the LightWorks for a while before trying any remedies. I just used it alone. I had a very intense detox reaction after using it for a few weeks.
Some time passed. Then, I decided to get an Asyra reading. I was surprised to find that mycoplasmas were my main issue. I used the bobber to determine how to treat myself. It came up to use the remedies with the LW. The DesBio mycoplasma set has 8 vials. So far, I have only dowsed to use 200X & 100X.
Some time passed after I administered the first remedy & I wasn't getting to use any detox agents via dowsing. It just came up the other day to start detoxing. I'm using Heel Lymphosot (spelling ?), charcoal, chlorella, Cowden Trace Minerals, & Burbur - all ingested orally.
I am applying the light to 8 points - crown of head, forehead, heart, ears, solar plexus, wrists. I dowse for the frequency for each point out of the Nogier ones. I have gotten 1 specific frequency for each point but it varies each time I have done it. I also dowsed for the amount to time to use on each point. So far, it's been 2.5 minutes.
The DesBio remedy set has several different mycoplasma strains all at the same dilution in each remedy. They start off from highest to lowest dilution. There are 8 vials to the set. I don't know why they start off high to low. It's usually the other way around in classical homeopathy. I would like to call the company but I haven't gotten around to doing it.
I have only done it 4 times wth the LW & the remedy. It's very strong stuff. Mycoplasmas are no joke! When I had the initial consultation, I was also recommended to use some products by a company called Inno-Vita. I stopped testing YES for them - so, I haven't been using them.
Going through the treatments for this illness are very hard. I believe this is the case for drugs as well as alternative remedies. It's all trial & error no matter which direction you go.
You just have to keep going forward as best as you can & hope for the best. There are no easy answers. You do have support here no matter which route you choose.
If something gets to be too much - STOP! There's no need to force yourself. It may do more harm than good.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
PS - Some of the Cowden herbs are very strong (Cumanda, Quina, Enula, etc.). Go slow with them, too. No need to force yourself.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Guys, I'm just taking a break to recharge myself of good energies.
I almost feel like I'll be the next one targetted here for receiving commissions to sell the PE1!!
Just give me a few days, when I feel good again, I'll be back!
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Oxy, I'm sorry that you are SO disappointed that you didn't have 100 remedy kits to start with, as you have lamented about it in several places. Perhaps you have forgotten that you were concerned with spending money at the time (as most of us are)? And that you weren't sure how much you would use your kit? These are common concerns for everyone starting out, not to mention hypersensitivity issues for some people. So, it was a very reasonable move for you at the time, under the circumstances. I love the `progressive' kit systems; you can `add-on' to your kit with more kits as you can afford it or decide you need more..... that's the beauty of it.
Oxy, NO, you did not understand what I said. What I said seems clear, but I'll quit because it seems futile. I did my best.
Robin, miasms definitely present mentally and physically. The symptoms of an illness overlap with miasms which overlap with the `constitution' of the person..... it can be very, very confusing to try to sort it all into tidy slots. It's a challenge for homeopaths and almost impossible for laypeople.
I wondered about treating miasms with photons..... but what Gigi has written about photons and the AI stuff indicates a `no' on that. That's just one person's perspective, though.
The whole idea of treating miasms is to free the person from the blocks that (1) create illness and prevent optimal personal growth, and (2) cause a person to relapse after what appears to be `successful' treatment. Interesting idea about children.... could be!
I don't know about the `drops' (AI). Nobody knows what's in them. They sound similar to the Peter Chappel remedies, and old Peter won't tell what's in his either. He creates `remedies' for specific diseases, like Lyme. All he will say is that they are not made from substances and they are homeopathic-like, but not homeopathic. So, I don't know what they are. I'm assessing the AI drops purely on what they are supposed to accomplish for the person. I've no idea beyond that.
I've always associated cellular more with the physical body, and a term like `cellular memory' suggests to me that this is the stored information of miasms in our physical cells. The problems of our ancestors - and our own traumas, of every kind - are remembered by our cells, if you will. I have to keep things simple for myself.
I wish I could recommend a great book - or even a website - for the layperson that has a little more depth than just beginner stuff. I fumbled and bumbled my way through at first, just hanging out on homeopathic websites, watching and reading, and sorting out all the terminology, etc. NOT the most efficient way to do it. And aside from a couple of home prescribing books, the ones I have are all professional texts.
There is an author I like very much who writes for both the layperson and for practitioners. I have his People's Repertory book, which is basically a home prescribing book for acute conditions. But there's a companion book he wrote that appears to speak more to the nature of chronic problems that I never got and I wish I had it. And it's cheap, too! And only a couple hundred pages.
So, while I hate to suggest a book I've never read, I do trust the author. I think it's an older book - like 1993 - and I wish it were newer. Here's a blurb:
quote:This book is the perfect companion to The People's Repertory. This book provides a more in-depth explanation of what homeopathy is and how it works, emphasizing chronic illnesses. Dr. Luc explains the pillars of good health and the true causes of chronic diseases such as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. He describes the multiple factors causing such diseases to become widespread in our civilization, while explaining homeopathy's powerful tools to combat them. Dr. Luc helps the reader to discover and heal neglected emotional factors affecting health. For a thorough and easy-to-understand introduction to the laws and concepts of homeopathy, there is no better book than Human Condition:Critical. This book won second prize among 3800 papers at the First World Congress of Traditional Medicine.
Human Condition: Critical by Dr. Luc De Schepper - $12.95; you can at least look at the table of contents here: http://www.minimum.com/index.htm
Amazon generally doesn't carry Dr. Luc's books, but sometimes they have used ones from other sellers.
Another option is to go to your public library and see what they have. Our little library now has a couple of books, which is very surprising. I checked them out; they were decent.
Boy, that Cumanda made my heart go crazy with palpitations.... I don't think I got past 5 drops a day.... Don't go too fast with that stuff! Even after I stopped taking Cumanda, my heart symptoms continued. Two weeks later, I was fed up with it, so I made a `remedy' out of Cumanda (12C, I think) and within 3 doses or so, my heart palpitations stopped. As my homeopath says, for acute stuff, if you know what caused your problem, that's your remedy!
Sparkle, thanks. Kind of interesting that Tosho ended up with Brucellosis right when the nature of mycoplasmas was being discussed here.... I really do wonder how many of us might test positive for one or the other.....
Like Selma, I'm off to re-charge.....
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Take care, Selma. Please dont worry about that. I know this has probably hit you hard. Is hit me hard and I dont know everyone here as well and as long. I'm sorry about that for you and everyone. Life is messy esp when people are frightened. We are so grateful for you and care for you. Robin
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
For the record, I believe if you're going to treat acutes at home you need 100 remedies in 30c and 100 in 200c.
Don't get caught short. You end up spending more money when you add on, as I did.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Woke up with another ice pick in the head - like headache today. I am assuming that the remedy is still doing it's stuff. I took it about a week ago. I'm not ready to move on to the next treatment just yet.
It seems to take a while for these remedies with the photons to go through their processes. It says on the box to take them orally every 3 days. It seems like they are effective for longer amounts of time with the infrared light.
This is in regards to the mycoplasma remedy set from DesBio...
Interesting about the brucellosis...! Seems they may be related to the mycoplasmas. DesBio does have a remedy for brucellosis. The doctor I consulted with recommended mycoplasmas for me.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Sparkle It's probably the myco, I've had that same spike through my head feeling, I had it for about 6 or 7 weeks and its not there anymore.
Selma this might be a good time to take a vacation from all issues and just meditate for a while. You've been doing soooo much, it might be a good time to rejuvenate, maybe you could make plans with your family to do something special.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
I'm feeling encouraged and discouraged at the same time.
The allergy conversation is significant. I find that I can treat an allergy to a pathogen using a specific protocol, if I can find the allergy.
If I don't know the allergy is there, the pathogen often doesn't show up with energetic testing.
I am beginning to be able to recognize these allergies, when testing with vials from a kit, but even my most sensitive teachers and practitioners were not finding the worst pathogens and allergies I was carrying.
It took a controversial kind of blood test from my naturopath to get my another brilliant practitioner/kinesiologist to notice Borrelia, after ten years of treating me. Then, finally I was on my way to getting better.
I probably would have died from TB if Brussels had not suspected it.
So there is a major issue here about allergies, that I am now calling "negative sensitivities." When these are present, the immune system really doesn't know how to fight the pathogen.
No wonder lyme tests so often come up negative, if there is a negative sensitivity that makes the immune system ignore it, so we don't make antibodies to show up on the standard tests.
I have a hunch that some of this is related to inherited miasms - an inheritied syphilis miasm might lead to a negative sensitivity to borrelia.
It also may be related to emotional issues, and even sometimes to DNA issues, as when there is an inherited rupture in the RNA or DNA from a genetic history of an infection with one of these really virulent pathogens.
But in any case, these negative sensitivities don't have just one specific cause, but usually one of the above. It can have a structural DNA issue, or just an energetic one.
I made an appointment and went through this info with one of my brilliant teacher guru's, and that is part of what we discussed and came up with.
The question is how to find and treat these pathogens that we have this "negative sensitivity" to.
When testing, we must look specifically for the "allergy," or "negative sensitivity."
If we are looking for a tester that comes up positive as helpful for treatment, often they won't show. The body just gets confused, and we pass them by.
So I am more and more a fan of the idea of some kind of testing that will uncover these negative sensitivities.
AI might be that. Using one's own blood might be that. Assyra shows potential. Using a sensitive practitioner who can distinguish these allergies may be effective.
In any case, it does seem that the Biophoton treatment has made me flair with two major infections that had been in hiding, but hurting me, due to negative sensitivity.
Having started with an allergy elimination protocol, I am now able to treat those pathogens directly and effectively with light and nosodes.
Having written this, I recognize where I have been stuck the last few days. I have been trying to treat with FNG. I can take it by mouth, but can't seem to use it with light.
I thought I had already done sufficient allergy elimination to it when I had done allergy work for some other fungals and molds from a different product. I am getting lazy and forgetting to ask all the right questions. Blame it on the mycotoxins.
I skipped a step. I still need to do an elimination protocol using FNG. Keep in mind that this product contains about 30 different strains of mold and fungals.
My whole family reacts to this bottle of stuff, and turns out my "invulnerable" husband has the sensitivity. They are all getting by mouth, but not by light yet, as I need to understand some things better.
But man, I am so tired and sore and grumpy. Body aches all over, now that mycotoxins, mold, and fungus are flairing. Thanks for listening/ reading so I could figure this out in process.
Still, what we are after, in my own silly little mind, is the most effective, lowest cost ways to identify and treat allergies/negative sensitivities, so the immune system can kick in and deal with them.
I am concerned that Biophoton therapy is a dangerous pursuit until this allergy issue is worked out. Certainly, I am not the first to remark on this.
Lets keep this issue in the forefront of our conversations, as we pay attention to what is working for people with regard to identifying and treating sensitivities.
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Bejoy, you are doing very important work.
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
bejoy why do you think the biophotons are a dangerous approach without addressing the other issues first? or do you mean, it is dangerous to continue treating for other ailments, aside from bb, with the photons, before treating allergies via other methods? i am planning on addressing the other issues with classical homeopathy. i hope i don;t need to treat for bb again before i begin the homeopathy for allergies/etc.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I had my first nmt therapy yesterday with my children. Very interesting. All energetic, no drops or nosodes. Supposedly works in "dna/cellular" level as well as the ANS level.
The woman who does this is trained in NAET as well as Bioset.
She asks the body if it even recognizes certain things.. like Lyme.. dry cracked hands.. whatever.
She also asks the body to communicate yes to only what will not cause a hard die off. Interesting to hear the way she phrased questions.
There are so many levels nmt works on from miasms to karma to block emotions to body awareness of and
Why Do We Get Sick in the First Place? The human body was designed with so powerful a system of internal controls that good health is our natural state. When illness comes, it is often a result of factors that confuse the body's internal control center, the Autonomic Control System (ACS) making it impossible to regulate the body to a healthy state.
Some of those factors addressed by NeuroModulation Technique are:
� Allergy to any food, inhalant, drug, or contactant. � Autoimmune disease - confusion of the nervous system that results in immune attacks on our ``self'' tissues. � Errors in sensitivity settings of nervous system sensors for pain and stretch causing erroneous perception of pain and tightness. � Toxic agents like pesticides, industrial chemicals, and heavy metals. � Unrecognized infectious agents - usually stealthy variations of common organisms that escape detection by the immune system. � Exogenous Analogs - environmental chemicals that mimic our body's hormones, and confuse endocrine (hormonal) function. � Altered Genomic patterns - body cells that have mutated from the normal "self pattern" of our DNA genome. � Pernicious Synaptic Patterning - errors in nervous system data recording that compromises regulation of body function.
She does this work in person and over the phone. She seems quite intuituve if not psychic.. we shall see.
She taught me how to use my body as a pendulum and I am working on that with the pendulum. Its less work. I did find (if I am doing it right) that I can touch my son and my body pendulums for him. ???
She "cleared" blocks and communicated (whatever) recognition of toxins from pharmeceuticals (recent flagyl was thr prompt there) and biological/endotoxins toxins. Also an EFS dysregualtion that is genetic and several others. My body was not recognixing estrogen, thyroid hormone (i think t3), cortisol..
She uses her own hands and energetic testing as well as a computer.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
That's interesting, bejoy!
It seems that Dr. W has been treating with light without taking into account about the "allergies". My husband uses the infrared light alot (without remedies) & he has had no problem with it (he doesn't have Lyme).
Many people are treating themselves here with the Bionic 880 & are doing well despite of not treating the "allergies".
The Asyra test pointed out some issues for me to deal with. It's great. It covers alot of ground - emotional, structural, physical, pathogens, etc. It seems to be accurate & impartial.
It doesn't cost alot & it may help to have that to go by as a reference.
I think the infrared light is very strong. I only use it for ingesting the remedies now. If I overdo it... I start detoxing through my intestines.
Sometimes, the intuition can be very accurate. You have to go by what feels correct. If you think you need to stop for a while - that's fine.
The Asyra test may help since it's done by computer. It can give you a level of objectivity. There are other tests like the Asyra, too. This is just the one I'm familiar with.
This may help if you have alot of complicated pathogens to treat. I really didn't know where to start with all of this until I got the Asyra test. I'm glad I did.
You can also get energetically imprinted remedies from the Asyra & it does test for common allergens, too. You may want to ask a practitioner about further allergen testing on a higher level.
Just some ideas.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
PS- Thanks for the confirmation, Bob. It's subsided today but my shoulder, neck & back are hurting. I think it will just take some time to get rid of the toxins & get back into condition.
I may still have some ways to go with this. I may have had mycoplasmas in my system for a long time.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Yes, yes, and yes, bejoy. As you've described it - excellently, I might add - this is what I think and believe, too. You are actively demonstrating fundamental miasmatic theory.
I'm not sure that all of these `hidden' miasms can be `seen' by testing, energetic or otherwise. Fundamental miasms have different `states' themselves - such as primary, latent and secondary states - which was such a confusing realm that I had to stop reading about it. Perhaps it isn't something necessary for me to understand, anyway. But there is almost always a `primary' miasm acting on the system, and then these others that stay in the background. I think what you have discovered may be a good example of how these active and underlying miasms work within us.
I think `negative sensitivity' is a great term.
quote:For 12 years Hahnemann quietly searched for the fundamental cause of the chronic diseases that was slowly destroying the health of his patients.....
It is necessary... to understand the nature of the exciting causes of acute diseases as well as the underlying fundamental cause of long lasting diseases, which is usually due to the chronic miasms. Acute diseases are self-limiting disorders which have quick onsets, rapid progressions, and a tendency to develop an immediate crisis. Many of these acute diseases are actually acute acerbations of the chronic states latent within the constitution that have been brought forth by exciting factors.
The nature of chronic miasmic disease is slow and insidious in its onset and gradual in its progression. These negative transformations gradually increase until they bring on complex pathologies that eventually are the cause of premature old age and death. The chronic miasms are the effects of infections that are non self-limiting which cause considerable damage to the immune system, the vital force, and the constitution.
....The removal of these deep miasmic taints from the constitution is one of the greatest gifts of Homoeopathy, because it not only removes the illness from the sufferer, but also from the following generations. In this way the homoeopath can overcome the past, transform the present, and change the future. This is surely the blessing of Providence and the fruits of the dedicated work of Samuel Hahnemann and those who follow in his footsteps.
Near the bottom of this article, there are some helpful descriptions of some of the traits, signs, and symptoms of the fundamental miasms. There is also an interesting case in this article which shows how antibiotics can suppress disease so that it manifests itself in the form of even greater problems later on...... kind of scary.
And in case anybody asks....... there is no universal list of `which remedies fit which miasms' - it seems every practitioner has their own list! At the bottom of this interesting chart is one list by a leading `miasmatic' homeopath, for anyone interested. Most of the work being done by folks on this thread is with nosodes that have no provings, so this list won't help in that regard. http://www.homeoint.org/articles/banerjea/miasmaticpresc2.htm
I'm out of time.... but you guys are awesome.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
NYJohn, here's why it might be dangerous to use biophotons without allergy treatments:
First of all, what Tracy said.
Also, just from my experience. After using the light and nosodes to reduce infections of Borrelia, Babesia and a few other known infections, crisis infections popped up in an accute and possibly dangerous way.
I had an acute reaction to fungals and molds, which I have a "negative sensitivity" to, when I came in contact with them.
I also had an accute TB infection of the eye and kidney. That disease can kill you quickly. I am also allergic, or have a "negative sensitivity" to this.
I am wondering why these diseases popped up in such an forceful way. I don't know for sure, but I'm concerned that it could happen with others.
I also think that is issue can emerge around detoxing, such as if the body has a sensitivity to metals, so somehow won't recognize them enough to eliminate them well. Speculation, as I have not experienced this.
My main concern is that people using biophoton and nosode therapy probably need to have energy testing and diagnostic experience behind them, and/or a really good practitioner who trusts them.
I don't want to encourage people to just play around with biophotons and nosodes and see what happens, unless they are confident they have the support to deal with something if it does pop up.
According to my testing, I wasn't able to treat either of the last two infections with lightworks until I cleared the sensitivity. My immune system wasn't adequately recognizing the problem.
I also wasn't confident that I could go to an MD and tell them I needed a TB test because my eye was inflamed, especially when the eye specialist labeled it just another "autoimmune" problem.
Obviously he was looking at my chart from ID duck having referred me to the rheumatologist. Having been cut off from allopathic backup for a life threatening issue is scary business.
So I'm not saying you have to do some type of allergy treatment first, but at least beware that this type of situation can emerge.
I'm also wondering if one of the reasons some people get so ill from lyme and others don't relates largely to inherited miasms, DNA ruptures, or negative sensitivites, allergies related to emotional disruptions, or other sensitivities to pathogens that already have their body compromised in some way.
I'm still trying to figure out the allergy thing, but I think I'm getting closer, with the help of you all.
GiGi came up with AI as an answer. I have a sense that it is a very good program, and works. I can't say that everyone needs it. I have not tried it, and I'm only one person when it comes to these sensitivities.
I'm just too stubborn to buy something if I can figure it out myself. Sometimes I just have to get things myself from the ground up.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Do you really think it can be considered an "allergy"? It seems like it should be called something else... Don't want to get too semantic here. It's just confusing since most people consider something like pollen or pet dander as an allergy.
Some things are really toxic to humans. They may be discreet but they are really things the body should not be dealing with. Mercury is toxic - it's not as if some of us are allergic to it. We shouldn't be exposed to it at all.
It's kind of interesting about the infrared light. Some people seem to be fine using it with no adverse reactions... I guess we have to keep studying it.
Thanks for the continuing info...
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Sparkle, I agree with you. I think the term negative sensitivity fits better than allergy.
One more thing to throw in this conversation - I realize that the reason I got these accute infections was injudicious use of nosodes.
I used too many at once by accident, by handling them during or right after being exposed to biophotons.
I put my immune system on high alert for several specific pathogens, and there was not much left over to deal with infective agents I came in contact with (maybe dirty equipment at the gym.)
The infections I ended up with were those I had a negative sensitivity to (allergy if you like.) My immune system apparently found it easy to ignore those, so I got sick with them.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I agree - you really do have to proceed cautiously with this. This is why I started off with the LightWorks only. I wanted to see what the effect was just by itself.
It's quite strong despite being a relatively inexpensive device.
When using homeopathic preparations or nosodes - you have to be very careful. The combination of the infrared light & the remedy are very intense. I took one remedy with the light & it lasted for a couple of weeks.
This may not be the case for everyone but it was for me. These remedies like mycoplasmas or borellia, etc. are very strong. They are serious pathogens!
It's not like you are taking a flower remedy or an aspirin... People can have serious reactions to even these things, too.
This is what I always say - so slow & be careful. I know some of you may know this but it's just a gentle reminder. It seems like "woo woo" stuff but it's not. It's very intense.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Are the bionic folks having the same problem or did the IV ozone wipe out the nasties that some mught have been harboring? Was the 3 weeks of treatment enough to bring them all out?
If not.. could some of them be dealing with the same thing?
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Not all the bionic folk got the IV ozne, which was seemingly for those emerging critters. Seems those that showed a need got them. After that, I guess they are on their own. If the 3 weeks is enough to pull the bugs out that are going to come out???
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
My story may be different. I'm treating mycoplasmas. I'm sure all the IVs helped.
I may have to treat Bb at another time but my focus is on mycoplasmas right now. So, my experiences may be very different. I noticed that my symptoms were different than most here for a while.
I had a clinical diagnosis for Lyme. Mycoplasmas & Lyme have similarities & overlaps. It's hard to say since so much of the standard testing is not accurate.
I may have had both but it seems mycoplasmas are more prevalent for me now...
I think the IV ozone was for people with cognitive impairment.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Six had mentioned not getting ozone at all when she went to Germany for the treatment with Dr. W. Only some will require depending their viral load or other the kinds of anaerobic bacteria in the mix.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Question would be how to treate emerging pathogens in a quick way. To have to test for what it is and wait for homeopathic vials doesnt sound comforting.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
It's common for many of us to not get a proper diagnosis for many years... It took me 9 years to get a diagnosis & quite alot of money.
I lived in NJ - which is highly endemic, too.
By that time, I was in a chronic state & too ill to do much as far as working goes. I also was denied disability after working for over 25 years...
Makes me kind of angry to think of it... I know I'm not the only person this has happened to.
Waiting a few days for a homeopathic remedy is no way near as bad as waiting 9 years for a proper diagnosis. If this illness was caught in a timely manner - it would have saved me years of suffering.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I thinking about if it is something like TB that can kill you as bejoy was referring to. That scares me big time. I can see waiting for other things. Hoping the scary kill you fast pathogens are not very commonly brought out (or there in the first place) by the photons.
Then if pathogens are brought out.. energetic testing wont cut it unless you know what to ask your body?
So that could mean asyra testing might be beneficial to line up as part of treatment?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I think the Asyra test was very worthwhile! All of this stuff that effects us is very complex & a bit over my head.
Having the Asyra test was very helpful to sort it all out & prioritize. My doctor helped me with that. Some objectivity is very helpful.
Not everyone has "things" pop up out of the woodwork (so to speak) with the infrared light. Some people use it with no problems.
You just have to be very cautious with it if you have Lyme or other serious pathogens.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Thanks, Sparkle. I am putting together a plan. I am so skiddish, that it helps me to feel safer before I proceed. I will add asyra as part of my plan. Continuing with neuromodulation and will see how beneficial.. then asyra for a scan and AI is in consideration. Thanks...
I am wondering is something were to pop up that needed very swift action if colloidal silver might be a good thing. I dont feel comfortable using long term (yet) but it might be a good thing for such occasions??? MMS??? Bob, what do you think?
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
Just tossing this into the topic: When you kill an infectious disease rapidly that suppresses the immune system, the niche it held would immediately be filled by another species as a consequence of the immune system not having had time to be restored which may happen more smoothly during a slower treatment.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Metallic, I think you are right, but I think there is more to it.
My overall impression of biophoton therapy with nosodes is that it works phenomenally well.
I made a stupid mistake, twice. I exposed myself to over 30 varieties of nosodes directly following a long light treatment.
It seems to me that I got my immune system active chasing so many pathogens already in my body, that it wasn't able to go after others in my personal environment.
In my case slower treatment would have amounted to limiting nosodes to two or three at once.
I want to see people being able to use this technology independently. I feel as though that can be possible for those who are skilled at muscle testing or dousing, but I feel the obligation to warn people of the serious risks I have run in to.
My best advice to seekers at this moment in time:
If you want to use biophotons and nosodes, either go to Germany to somebody already experienced, or buy your own Lightworks or PE-1, and work with a skilled and open minded practitioner who is willing to learn with you.
I'm better now, by the way, and back to working on fungals.
R62, the two brands of silver I have the most confidence in are the Smart Silver from Desbio, and the Argentyn 23 from Allergy Research Group.
That's what I used when I needed swift action, along with grapefruit seed extract, and it was effective.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks Metallic Blue!
I've been going very slow with the mycoplasma remedy... I'm only using that remedy with the LightWorks. I doing it very infrequently, too. I think I've only done it 4 times in over a month & a half.
The only other homeopathic preparation I'm taking is Lymphomyosot by HEEL. I'm taking it orally - since my bobber is saying to do it that way.
It seems like it's a slow process with the mycoplasmas in my case. I may have had them for many years. I'm having alot of shoulder & neck pain, swollen glands...
It reminds me of when I had chronic fatigue syndrome when I was in my 20's... Pretty weird.
I'm glad you're feeling better, bejoy!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I partially agree with Metallic blue too. While I was starting my light experiments, I opened my box of bacteries to see if I needed to treat anything else than borrelia and got a positive for more than 50 different pathogens.
I did it a couple of times to be sure, as it seemed next to 'impossible' to my brain. Unfortunately, I kept testing on and on positive for these (I think it was 65 positive pathogens in one box)... Very disappointing.
I just reopened again last week and this week, and I need to treat only a couple now. So from 50 to a couple in a few weeks. The only reason that I can think of is that borrelia is much weaker now, or back to hidden /inactive state.
The people who did the Bionic also said that after borrelia got dormant, many of the pathogens that were testing before went to dormant (stopped testing).
When my borrelia is active, I'll get almost immediately many food allergies back (immune disfunction) and I suspect, all these pathogens get 'awaken' together, but low profile.
So for me, active borrelia = shutdown immune system, in all senses (allergies and infections).
I wouldn't do different if I had to re-do it again, this fast killing with photons, I mean. I would try to kill borrelia as fast as possible again (speaking for my own experience only).
The slow killing could make sense theoretically, but I could never see myself getting better while my borrelia was still active, even if very low profile in the past.
I got TB first time active WHILE borrelia was active in 2007, plus all candida and fungal infections, all simultaneously to active borreliosis. So TB can appear any time, with or without borrelia. I think my TB came active due to BCG vaccination I had as a child. I had to treat it with the BCG nosode recently.
TB came and went during these last years, until a few weeks ago. I think I knocked it down too, but again, only time will tell. It was a tough war, somehow tougher than borrelia because it needed multiple remedies while with borrelia, I'm exclusively fighting it with borrelia nosodes and antibody nosodes.
But as Bejoy says and seeing what Sparkle is going through now, it is clear to me that one needs a skilled energetic practioner to use infrared devices. It is not something to play around.
Or educate yourself as well as you can, do courses, tests, buy all the necessary things in case of emergency like I had done in the last years. And get your practioners to help you in case of emergency.
Bejoy is on lots of cleansers, daughter and I too. Bob from Maryland too. A killing protocol is very easy with infrared. What is difficult, like with any protocol, is finding the right cleansing substances which for me is more than clear, they MUST COME IN COMBO. We have too many detox organs to keep up and with the excessive killing, I have no doubt, we need a complex detox protocol.
I see that for me, my daughter and the people I help (with active borreliosis). The cleaning substances will vary from person to person, and need constant changes according to toxins that show up. Some people detox better than others, but the people I test are very similar to me and my daughter (bad detoxing). ---------
I think my lyme starts to feel as something from the past. For the first time, I start to feel confident that borrelia may not come back for me. I can't say for my daughter as I'm not in her body to tell.
And if it comes back , I can put it back to its place (dormant) quite fast, that is what I start to believe. I think it's this feeling of having inner energy that makes the whole difference. I am not in energy saving mode for the last months like I had to be in the last years. Or decades? Even on the contrary, many times.
I find Sanum essential to use in support to getting better. Because of these parallel infections that come, specially candida, fungal, mucor species, and the polysans to clean antibodies of past infections.
If you guys have no way to check which infections surface (with or WITHOUT infrared treatments), I find that the chance to heal is very low. My opinion. Energetic tests are a must. Asyra, muscle tests, pendulum, whatever, done by someone you trust.
I have almost all Sanum plus these bacterial nosode boxes and I find they were sufficient to keep me out of danger (danger = having to get back to ER and being treated/killed by these ducks). It looks exageration, but the more I read about medical mistakes, the more I'm convinced I'm right to get away from hospitals (even though they do save lives many times, I admit).
When Sanum can't get the new emerging infections, I'm using one or very few nosodes from these bacterial boxes with infrared. Only for pathogens that Sanum doesn't address.
I find the Sanum way to address these common pathogens better than simply using nosodes. The reason is that with Sanum, one can ingest, rub, do the photon treatment, treat L-forms and treat antibodies. It is much more complete as an anti-infective treatment.
With the nosodes from Stauphen or Meripharm, usually, we only treat with bacterial nosodes through light, that's all.
But Sanum covers quite a lot, I find, of the most common pathogens that make our lives hellish. Dr. K. is a great fan of Sanum too.
Even for the so called HEALTHY people, I see them testing for these Sanum on and on and on, so it's not only us that have been lymed for so many years.
(I think I should work for Sanum???!!)
What is great is that ONLY one pathogen is usually surfacing now, each at a time, while before, when I reached remission previously (meaning, borrelia and all tickborn pathogens got dormant), I had to still fight many many pathogens simultaneously.
Only on my skin, I had so many active at the same time that I kept wondering what kind of ecossystem my body had....
I'm still new on the many Heel products I'm using but feeling hopeful that they'll address the rest of problems for me and my family.
I'm doing my own protocol for allergy elimination using saliva that are testing excellent for all of us at home. The stuff is also helping me to balance hormones.
We're also back to chelation WITH infrared, but I REALLY don't recommend that to anyone as this is powerful. I've been chelating for about 3 years before I started on this infrared-homeopathic chelation, so I think what I'm getting now are the stuck metals that I couldn't get with other methods.
They are still popping out, pains here and there, I'm taking quite some chlorella again. Zeolites, alpha lipoic acid, phospholipides, or NDF are not testing, so I'm on my old chlorella + bear garlic + milk thistle + liver herbs mix for these metals...
I was using loads of Sanum last year still, even when my borrelia was dormant, before infrared. Now I only use Sanum like the so called healthy people do. One product here and then. Before infrared treatment I was EATING Sanum, many products a day, rubbed, ingested, sniffed (!) even with dormant borrelia.
What I want to say is that definitively, for me, killing borrelia with infrared meant something else than merely putting borrelia dormant like I did before with herbs, KMT, ingested homeopathics.
There is something done to my immune system or to my body that is different from what I did before with ingested nosodes, homeopathics, herbs. And I feel my body is stronger, it just feels stronger (not in physical force only, but with inner energy), I can't explain it better.
Only time will tell though, if this will remain so.
I am not only treating with borrelia nosodes, but adding many other products through light as you could see in this thread. Borrelia (high dilutions only) is just a tiny part now.
My next experiment will be on Magnesium homeopathic through light.
I'll continue exploring the procaine homeopathic through infrared too, to try to keep my health as it is now. If my health is stable as it is in this moment, despite the fact that I have to still fight one or another infection, for me, this is perfect. I reached what I wanted.
Of course, that would be a dream if it continues like this forever. But I need to see what my pandora box will still reserve to me in the next months to come.
The energy is here with me since almost day one I used my PE1. With little ups and downs (during herxing or detoxing phases), but I see a general curve going upwards.
I'll still go on treating my mouth, buying another book about it soon. And still doing my ART courses this spring again!
I can read, understand German so well (proud of myself!) while before I had still to fight with words and long sentences, so that's why I can buy books in German now and ENJOY reading them. I attribute great part of it to this inner energy too, my brain and memory are working better!
I think I can get away from lyme forums soon!
What I am more interested now is on cancer preventive treatments (Heel seems promising...) and how to keep on cleaning and balancing organs, glands to avoid future catastrophes (AI or similar, Heel again, procaine, psychokinesiology and so on)....
I think I'll go for Nurse Andi's detox kit too, but she doesn't answer me...
I'll still post sometimes, but I think my life needs a change!
It's a pleasure to keep in contact with people through PMs or email though!
Posted by n.northernlights (Member # 17934) on :
I just want to mention that they have used photon treatments in the spanish speaking countries for some years. I found some info on the internet via googling photon treatment, and there were some threads on photon fabric from Italy, and photon saunas, that patients with rheumatism and chronic fatigue found very helpful.
They were presented with those things in Spain (lots of rheumatic people go to spain from here) and someone wrote a paper on photon treatment: http://www.photon.no/modx/assets/docs/Photon_redusersmerte.pdf you will have to use google translate or something else, the original is in norwegian.
The fabric is vivirex in Italy and vivitex here in scandinavia, and the patents are japanese. Several cfs patients have gotten from bed-ridden to almost perfectly normal.
I was thinking, maybe this works with hoemopathic nosodes taped to the solar plexus.....we have the domes here at some locations, and other people have bought the garments.
Note the side effects say, increased effect of medicines, and hyperhtyroidism (scott had this happen according to his posting) so it seems to work just as well as the machine. maybe. Just wondering.
Also, six wrote that she did speak spanish to the staff in Pforzheim....maybe the Germans lerant from the spanish about photons?
What about the people coming home with the bionic? At that point at least some are on their own.
It is the clearing of Bb that seems to be the most important? And the inital 3 weeks of whatever comes up being zapped with the ozone? If not, they are in the same boat? Pathogens emerging possibly many at a time? How many of them have the help or a photon literate medical professional?
What type of back up would be wise?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I've used the far infared fabric & it's not like using a device with LEDs... same goes for the saunas & domes. It's just not as concentrated as LEDs.
Thank you for all of your support & descriptions, Selma.
I tested to orally ingest the 60x (#3) mycoplasma remedy today... & not use the infrared light with it.
I can't really use the infrared light that much. I have to be cautious with it. If I overdo it, I start getting diarrhea & I have to cut back.
I was studying some of Dr K's (in WA) work & he said many interesting things about mercury & other toxins in conjunction with Lyme. I used the infrared light last summer --- & in 3 weeks I was having a massive detox from my intestines.
It's possible that it may have been the borellia that was living in my intestines. He said that the majority of the Lyme bacteria is in the gut or intestines... I was using it without any nosodes or remedies.
Since then, the prominent bacteria for me may have switched to mycoplasmas...?
I'm just going to continue to treat the mycoplasma infection. I have been having quite alot of back, shoulder & neck pain. I also have been having some problems with my eyes, fatigue, & cognitive issues.
I've been ill for so long - it's hard to tell what it dysfunction & what it "normal"...
My main detox agent is charcoal. That seems to be the one that usually comes up. I have others here but I usually just get the charcoal & sometimes chlorella...
Clay can also be useful but I haven't been using it recently.
I really can't say anything about the therapy with the Bionic. You would have to ask the people who went to Germany or have the Bionic.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
I found something interesting in using the LED. For most of what I was doing I was treating the body not the energy around the body. It has been posted how moving the LED away from the body actually penetrates deeper into the body. Just curious about your thoughts.
Robin, I think MMS over the long term at about 6 drops twice a day for 4 to 8 months as long as you test is the ultimate killer for lyme. I've tested myself several times and I don't have lyme anymore, my LLND thought I still had the memory of lyme. Instead, I felt it was the dead organisms protein had cleared my body. We tested several times and we both agree the organism is dead inside me, and I'm just trying to clear the proteins. I'm ingesting borrelia vials to remove those proteins still trapped within cells and somehow get picked up again in cellular regeneration.
One last point on MMS, it is much more powerful when treating with an LED, the LED forces lyme from the cells possibly into spirokete form if it survives past the bodies defenses. Then it is susceptible to MMS.
Lyme still leaves you with symptoms of dysregulation. So cellular repair and organ function as well as clearing auto-immune issues are still key. Hard to do with all the other pathogens we harbor that had grown as a result of the original dysfunction.
I now hold the LED any where from 2 inches to 12 inches away from my body. I can't believe the difference.
Its interesting about the LED and what vials to use. I created a borrelia nosode to treat with the LED, but I don't test positively for it at all. Mycoplasma yes! Ingesting borrelia yes! Also ingesting the mycoplasma remedy is included 8 drops 3 times a day.
Just some random thoughts. I don't have too much time to expand.
Oh for me right now, I'm not testing for any cleansers, good sign I hope. If I'm cleansing it is just through food. Such as a combination of apple juice and carrot juice, a more natural cleanser. So guys test that out, I know there is a lot of sugar, so make sure to test. Also if you can get it lots of dandelion greens another natural cleanser as well as parsley.
Sparkle keep at it! Its great to hear you are doing better Bejoy!
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Brussels sent me this great article on detox - (I hope you don't mind I'm posting it.)
Practical detoxification and drainage (scroll to page 11)
It's kind of advanced but it was very informative. It makes alot of sense to me.
I'm going to start testing to use the LEDs for the biofield & for the physical body. I think it's easy for me to over do it - so, I'm going slow. It does take time to detox from a lifetime of exposure to toxins & pathogens.
I've read apple pectin is a good cleanser... You know what they say - an apple a day... You may want to eat the whole apple, not just the juice, Bob.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Sparkle7, I'd prefer to think of my apple before lunch as my lunchtime hors d'oeuvres and not just an apple. lol
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I had my second neuromodulation therapy today. Dont know what to say... or think. This is definitely outside the box so to speak.
She cleared me of inability to recognize exo and endo toxins and other toxins (cant remember) last week.
She worked on my immune system this week. This included receptivity to healing/compliance to treatment. It covers beliefs surrounding health.. guilt, fear, belief one can recover. It covers past present blocks as in genetics and "miasms" (probably not in the traditional homeopathic sense. ??). She covered recognition, healthy immune reaction, autoimmunity.. cant remember it all. It was very thorough.. no drops, all energetic.
We shall see..
Bejoy.. thanks. I do have some argentyn here. Bob.. thanks.. I wold love to hear more of your protocol.
Sparkle, I have constant loose stools and have been wondering if it is die off. Keep testing for clay 1 tbs. I just try to keep hydrated, mineralized and electrolyted... ???
Thank you all for sharing.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Charcoal is good too...
I used to take clay, psylium, charcoal & chlorella when I has going through a heavy detox.
I even tried a coffee enema but I didn't really see a big benefit to it. Some people swear by them.
I was really detoxing heavy at the time...
I think Lauracidin may be helpful with fungal or yeast overgrowth, too.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I'll test for that.. thanks.
What do you know or think about photons treating for parasites, like liver flukes?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I don't know anything about that. I don't know if I have it...?
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
If you are going to use light for parasites or worms it needs to be coordinated with other things, IMO. It may cause some problems in these organisms or kill them, but it depends on the organisms susceptability to light. Light doesn't usually kill directly, it stimulates the immune system to do that.
Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :
you guys have such an in depth conversation ongoing.. i cannot frequent the board lately, and it takes a while for me to catch up.
i'm just following along as best i can at this point and appreciating the archive being created by all of you.
i have no light devise, some of you know my son's severe case, and now i have a daughter here who was re-bitten last fall and with some chronic stomach problems i suspect may be infectious cause, (she was treated for tbd's as a baby and was well for years, treated for this bite with ab's, with stomach probelems since. without explaining all that has been done, i now have reason to suspect the stomach problem may be tbd's).
so, i'm researching light.
only question pertaining to the thread now is this: we see the homeopath dr. whit. in ny steadily for a couple of years now (he has a great article on tbd's, seems to truly understand them, but, being classical, he does not "treat" them, perse, but treats the symptoms.)
he treats my daughter and i have the entire home kit he recommends - about 50 remedies - and i treat myself, tho i do not have tbd symptoms any longer.
so, my experience for the past couple of years follows classical homeopathy, i've read several books, and use webhomeopath for a guide.
(btw - they have a huge database of prooved remedies and symptoms, punch in symptoms and you get a detailed list and descriptions - kent, clarke and boericke - neat database to learn from, there is an annual fee of about 50 dollars i believe)
the remedies work very well for myself and daughter, till recently with her having a very deep abdominal imbalance that the remedies are not correcting.
so, i'm studying potentiation of homeopathy ala work of dr. w. in germany.
in any event, i have refills on my kit to place, and i wonder if anyone has heard of or used standard homeopathic in l.a., those are the remedies our homeopath recommends.
cheers, m
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Mo, do you like Dr. W? I know of another lyme/babesia patient who I didn't think was doing too well with him. I almost went to him but decided not to, for various reasons.
I have 100 remedies--from a homeopathic place in Santa Fe, the remedies are good and potent. I have them in 30c and 200c.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Using the infrared light seems to make the remedies much stronger or enhances the potency. It's really all experimental, though.
I'm not sure about the place in LA.
Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :
mine are 200c, the #20 size, teeny pellets.
i like dr. w allot overall. really seems to be an excellent homeopath in the classic sense. going for the deeper cure. he's taught me allot, and i've seen amazing results.
however, i do know of others with tbd's who fell short in healing while with him (but i honestly don't know what they did to support his treatment, or much about their cases at all to be able to judge, i do know they did not give it much time).
he treated my dd's pneumonia some time ago with stunning results, improved her immune system notably post baby tbd's and lengthy antibiotic tx- and this is the first time i have run into any health stumbling block with her, just now with this stomach problem -
tho, to his credit, she was treated with abx prophylactically for the tick bite in the fall (which he obviously disagreed with), so that threw off his care considerably, and he has not indicated he doesn't know what to do about this problem... it just has not resolved over the course of many weeks, so i'm getting ansy.
i will see him again soon and see where he goes with it.
instinctively, i think my family will need light therapy in our lives living in the northeast no matter what, and i hope to get my son more intensive treatment when he is able to transition.
now, in my son's case, i do not think dr. w (ny) would be able to help. far too complicated, far too many meds, and ds does not have the capability due to his neuro symptoms to make the necessary commitment to the kind of work required, at least not for now.
that's my quick summary, oxybabe, if it helps at all.
i do like him allot, and still determining what limitations he may have, if any..
thanks sparkle, ya, i am very interested as to the difference between using the remedies traditionally and with light devises.
m
Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :
ps to clarify what i mean by cases that can benefit from care like dr. w's -
we first went to him when my daughter was in the midst of a bad case of pneumonia. i did not want her treated with any more ab's, so went to him for care, she was very sick and we dove into his recommendations because we had to.
he is hard line homeopathy. ie: let the fever burn, absolutely no other meds or even herbals to calm cough.. in fact, no herbs for treatment whatsoever, just the remedies.
probiotics, kefir, lemon, honey, foodstuffs like coconut oil is fine, but nothing taken to "treat" other than remedies based on real time constallation of symptoms.
i think alot of cases would not be able to comply with abandoning all of that.
we did, and her pneumonia cleared with no other meds, and quickly.
i have not put him to the test with tbd's because up till now, she was not dealing with them as active infection. now she may be.
...he was also definitely great for post-abx constitutional and immune problems.
m
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Mo, amazing story about pneumonia. I wouldn't be as brave as you to use 100% classical homeopathy, I do think you trust your doctor!!!
Your doctor will not then support this nosode craze as most hard core classic homoepaths are not for isopathy.
It is a very different approach indeed (Nosodes + low diluted herbs for cleaning). I guess this Dr W from germany approach is less 'complete' than classical homeopathy as it will not deal with miasms like your dr is doing.
But in my opionion, no way, nosodes through photons is the fastest killing method I ever experienced. I don't think any combo of abx or herbs can compete with the simple power of nosodes through infra red.
It has NOTHING to compare with ingested nosodes, in my opinion, as I already treated myself with ingested borrelia nosodes and never got the results I got with photons.
As for classic remedies through light, I haven't tried this (except for psorinum for hubby, who's a psoriatic type). It tests good but it's not exactly classical remedy (=one basic remedy at a time). I use the Heel psorinum compositum on him, loads of other components there, not done for hubby, but sold over the counter (so very different from classical approach).
So far, so good for hubby. He is on classical approach treatment for the last 10 years too (funny, also with psorinum as main remedy), not very often, but he gets treated once or twice a year to treat his miasms. Like we all are at home, but we only use classical treatments now once a year or so...
So definitively, I would try the nosode treatment BUT with great care for detox. Just see what has been happening here in this thread.
We are not concentrating in lyme treatment anymore at home, but we are 95% on other treatments now. No more coinfections either for many weeks. Just daughter is still testing for borrelia garinii, so I gotta try to get the right nosodes.
Sorry to hear your daughter is having GI symptoms. My daughter's main lyme symptoms are GI problems. The swolen joint was a new symptom for her. Her lyme is 90% in the intestines, like for many children, I heard.
so far, nothing stressed my liver so much as this killing with nosodes thorugh light. So for liver, I'm on a lot of products. I just got the Systemic Drainage from Desbio, it tests also excellent to take through light.
I believe I am also treating miasms with my machine, but the treatment for miasms has to be on the surrounding photon field. I either use a combined homeopathic formula or mere Nogier frequencies on this area, so far, it works amazingly well. The classic homeopathic substances stop testing for ingestion when I only treat the surrounding field (WITHOUT the homeopathic substance). It's almost unbelievable.
but, as I said before, no energetic tests, not a good start as everything needs testing (where to put the nosodes, other homeopathics, where to apply light, which frequencies, which potency, for how long, etc etc).
I think you do some energy tests, right Mo? If yes, get any of these light machines , I'm sure you'll find your way around (The Bionic is probably still the best as it has documented successes behind).
Selma
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Hi, Mo!
I'm so thrilled to have someone post who has some experience with Dr. Wh.! Thanks so much for posting! It's great to get first-hand information and evaluation. I'm very hopeful that he will be able to treat your daughter's current issues effectively..... and hopefully, it won't take too much time since the onset was fairly recent.
I do find it interesting that Doc Wh. didn't want you to use anything to `treat' other than the remedies, but it makes sense to me. For instance, how can you judge the efficacy of the remedy if you are doing other things? Unless you have some source of energetic testing, it's almost impossible to sort out what may be working or interfering. And the fever thing makes sense, too - we are often too quick to react to fevers. Fevers are a GOOD thing and shouldn't be artificially cut short without good cause.
.... I've tried using the `free' version of webhomeopath, with very disappointing results. I can see where it's necessary to subscribe to the site and pay the fee in order to obtain helpful results. It's very painstaking to use books or online Repertories and do it the old fashioned way....
I have a few remedies made by Standard Homeopathic in L.A. - they seem to work just fine. I have never heard anything about that lab, positive or negative, so it's interesting to note that Doc Wh. recommends them. I would guess that the pellet size is #20 in the bottles I have here - much larger than the #10 poppyseed-size granules from Santa Fe, but smaller than the common #30 pellet size.
Like you, I learned SO MUCH from working closely with an online classical homeopath for about a year..... and I plan to work with her again.
Well, better get going - I'm slammed with stuff that `has to be done' here, but just wanted to pop in and respond.....
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Mo, thanks for the detailed response about Dr. Wh.
I read up on his father before thinking about seeing him. I even read a special issue tribute to his father. His father was Jewish--got out of Germany just before his parents were slaughtered--became a Jungian analyst and a homeopath. He was a mentor to Ronald Wh. His name had been Edward Weissberg. He changed it to Christopher Edward Whitmont (weiss berg in german means white mountain, and whitmont in french means white mountain) and preferred to be called Christopher. I found this fascinating and perturbing, that he so completely abdicated his Jewish name, even the Edward part--and chose Christopher (which has Christ in it)--and a french surname. Seeing as he was a Jungian analyst and dealt with archetypes I wondered how he had justified this to himself, as it was some kind of rejection (I interpreted) of his Jewish history. In addition, stranger still, he voluntarily became a protege of an analyst in Germany who was a former Nazi sympathizer. I found this all perturbing and felt it was not dealt with by the father, or by any of the followers in the entire homeopathic community--and if homeopathy deals with miasms that include inherited behaviors and vulnerabilities--and certainly Jungian analysis deals with deep archetypes and primitive feelings--etc .
Meanwhile--when he fell ill at the end of his life--he went to a clinic in Germany supposedly for holistic treatment but against his express wishes they gave him allopathic treatment and he quickly failed and came home to die. I also wondered---again this is perhaps overanalyzing but I tend to have that kind of mind--if he had dealt with his shadow self, his abdication of his Jewishness--would he have ended up so betrayed at the end of his life in the very country where his parents had been killed for being Jewish etc...
I did email Dr. Wh asking what he felt about all this but did not receive an answer.
I surely cannot judge a son by his father but I felt uncomfortable. However it sounds like he's a good homeopath for your family, if a bit strict.
I had a cough recently with a cold but the cough was the outstanding horrible feeature, with a terrible tickle, unlike any I'd had. I lurk on a yahoo group for homeopathic professionals and a few of them reported having dealt with this particular cough in their patients this year, and what remedies they used for it. Anyway I figured out to take rumex crispus for it, but only had 30c. I had to take it every 15-20 minuts to have an effect, so I ordered another 50 remedies (which includes rumex) in 200c. This cough is going around and a nurse in my building had it and called it "irrational"--which is a good word, because the cough is so much more extreme than any other symptoms you get and its a dry cough. By the time my order came I had a slight tickle cough left and took 200c and it got much better. Even though it is slightly there still but basically gone. However i also took transfer factor. I would not be comfortable with a homeopath who regarded kefir (with its good bacteria that are not natural to our gut) as okay, but herbs, which are just dried plants, as not. I think it is okay to combine modalities.
Anyway I am glad to hear your family does well with him.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
That's some interesting background, o2....
I'm not seeing this doctor but I think I've read some info about him on the internet. He seemed a bit dogmatic but he may be helpful to some people.
BTW - the Nazis were very interested in homeopathy & natural healing. I'm not making a judgement about it. It just seems to be something they took an interest in.
Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :
woah, now.. i almost know a little too much about him, lol.
brussels, yes, i took a big leap and it paid off. thanks for the info on the different schools of thought. and tracy, hey there.. thanks for the feedback. i remember your posts on homeopathy from long ago. i like the webhomeopath "professional" membership for just that reason. it's easier than fumbling through materia medicas, and you can list very specified symptoms (ie: 25 different nature of cough to choose from) - and go and see the top 30 or so remedies, then click and read the literature on each one, and back to the symptoms list, ect. i use it allot for me.
dr. wh.'s personality conveys genuine caring. he definitely has a stoic edge when it comes to treating with homeopathy, a purist, and it seems he is very effective in that approach.
i had no idea even that his dad was a homeopath. really interesting background there, oxy.
on taking herbs and such for myself; i don't think i'd abandon, but i'm not his patient. i should clarify that he said no to the herbs i asked about, tho i take it that the general idea is nothing aimed to "treat" symptoms, herb-wise.
he is treating dd, and i know stripping all herbals began a swift healing process with the pneumonia, whereas even giving cherry bark to ease her cough drove the infections/viruses deeper.
she is little and i would not use many herbs with her anyway. the results seen over the past couple of years are excellent.
BUT, i'm wary if her gut issues are indeed tbd related. that i do not know yet whether he can handle. won't know for a bit yet.
at the point that i do not believe he can help that i would want to try the aforementioned therapies in this thread, i do have an education in the remedies.
i must read more, take my time to do that.. i'm used to one carefully chosen remedy at a time.
oxy, glad your chronic cough got better. i had a splinter in the throat feeling with cough for which hepar sulph worked well.
and yes, the absence of need in dr. wh.'s opinion for heavy detox herbs, intestinal herbs ext. puzzles me still, especially for older bodies.. but hot water, lemon, mild teas, and mild ayurvedic food/diet detox approaches i believe are deemed fine.
clearly that alone may not fit the bill for detox with photon-remedy treatment, as i see from the thread content. i have not asked doc wh. about what he thinks of this modality. it doesn't mesh with his expertise. i'll approach and see what his thoughts are.
it's not like i haven't gone renegade to treat in the past. hehehe.
anywhoo, i'll just have to keep reading.
mo
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Mo, his father was quite famous, enough to have an entire journal with essays in remembrance after his death.
Anyway, I just thought there were fascinating and obvious contradictions in his life story but nobody seemed to broach it out of what I consider too much respect...
Interesting that even cherry bark negated homeopathy for your daughter.
I will tell you that there is a woman named Maria Sagi, and I read a truly fascinating essay by her in a forthcoming book edited by Ernest Laszlo and I contacted her in Budapest. She sometimes gets the name and potency of a remedy by clairvoyance. Since this has happened to me, too!, I believe it is possible.
She has recommended borrelia nosode to me in a high potency--I inquired if she would work with me.
I'm worried though because, I am so sensitive. But I will keep it in mind.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Selma.. you've not had an difficult issues come up treating your daughter?
If you have the time, please share more about the miasm treatment.
Bob.. what in addition to the photons for parasites? Are there nododes for that? I am considering a zapper.
Maureen.. if you are reading, I would love to hear how things are going with the photons and rife.
Robin
Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :
wow, oxy,
do share more, if you are so inclined and you end up working with her.
is her essay available to the public?
mo
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
It is in a forthcoming book I received an advance review copy of and then sent on to Truthfinder. It was edited by Ernest Laszlo and has many essays. If she reads this maybe she can post the exact title and publisher as I only remember it had something about Akashic (as in Akashic records) in the title. Lots of interesting essays but hers in particular was fascinating.
But I had such a bad experience formerly with high potencies.
However when I asked on the homeopathy professionals list if anybody had that experience (clairvoyantly receiving remedies and doses) as I have a few times, I was backchanneled--yes. It's not a substitute for the repertory or lots of experience, but it is not to be ignored, either...
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Personally, when conversation turns to treatment with a specific doctor on this board, I think it's best not to mention the name of the doctor, or other information that identifies him. It's just good precautionary practice to protect those trying to help us. It's also a LymeNet rule. Posting about an article and the author of an article is different - no explicit treatment is stated or implied in that instance.
And just so there's no confusion for those who briefly scanned the above posts ..... Doc Wh. IS NOT the doc who came from Germany, changed his name, etc. I don't want anyone to misinterpret what was said, and a quick glance might give the wrong impression.
For Mo..... The book - `The Akashic Experience: Science and the Cosmic Memory Field' - Ervin Laszlo; published by Inner Traditions, Rochester, VT; website is InnerTraditions.com (no ISBN # had been assigned yet). There are about 20 first-hand accounts from various authors of their experiences in The Akashic Field (the world beyond the brain and body).
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Thanks for the additional info, Mo. I'll definitely consider trying the webhomeopath site again. Although, there is now a free downloadable Complete Repertory that just came available - I'm waiting until some of the `bugs' are identified and worked out, but the initial reports from users is encouraging. (http://www.completedynamics.com/ if you are interested....)
Although very popular in the European homeopathic community, heavy detox and `drainage' protocols are considered to be a `fad' and unnecessary by a lot of classical homeopaths here in the USA. They believe that if the correct remedies are chosen, no additional detox is necessary; the detox is part of the action of the proper remedy. And this may explain why the classical approach may take longer than some other homeopathic protocols - time needed for the body to slowly detox and re-balance.
BUT, with the addition of photons..... well, it appears that at the very least, it speeds up all processes. This is definitely a new field of experimentation so I'm not going to jump to any conclusions one way or another. I'll learn here from what people are finding with energetic testing and actual use of photons + homeopathics + detox.
As for herbs, they are `medicines', too, by their very nature. Conventional meds can interfere with homeopathics, so I'm sure certain herbs can, too. Let's not forget that many remedies are made from herbs, and retain many of the same attributes of the herbs.... so if you are taking a remedy that can be antidoted by the remedy Hypericum (St. John's Wort), then perhaps the actual herb could antidote the remedy, also. Both onion and garlic can antidote the remedy Thuja. But onion and garlic don't antidote EVERY remedy..... (so energetic testing of anything else done or taken during treatment is a key element here, methinks). From the perspective of a homeopath, it's much easier to preclude most herbals and other meds rather than try to explain all this to every patient.
Even Dr. W. does this when folks go for Bionic treatment. He wants patients using only what he already knows is beneficial and complementary..... AND he uses energetic testing on every patient. So, perhaps Doc Wh's strict regimen makes good sense. He doesn't want his patients to accidentally sabotage their treatment.
Mo, I've noticed that Doc Wh. sometimes uses the remedies Tick Bite and Lyme Tick for treatment..... I hate to ask this but if the subject of tbds comes up when you talk to him, could you ask him where he gets these remedies? I think he made one himself, but don't know if it was done at a lab or not. Rather than speculate, I'd rather hear it from him. Thanks.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks for the info Tracy. Interesting about the "fad" idea...
Does classical homeopathy have a way to remedy all of the toxins we come into contact with? I don't know if people were exposed to as many toxins & chemicals when homeopathy originated.
I'm sure there were people involved in dangerous work where they were exposed to things but these days - we are surrounded by thousands of chemicals - not to mention the viruses & pathogens.
Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
Right--Doc Wh is the son of Christopher Edward...as I think my posts made clear. Interesting heritage but raised questions for me.
Maria Sagi is not treating me--just recommended a high potency nosode. She is all the way in Budapest.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I'm with Sparkle. I don't think classical homeopathy can deal with ALL the toxic burden we are dealing with today.
That is why other homeopathic currents like Heel exists, I find. They deal MOSTLY with toxicity in a very strong way.
While classical approach can deal with miasms that make us held toxins, I don't feel it is enough. At least, not as fast as I would expect.
-- I guess a more clear picture starts to form in my brain: I start to see the nosode + intense Heel cleaning THROUGH photons as a treatment a bit similar to simple abx or herbs.
They are definitively not classical, not dealing with miasms, just simple remedies to kill and cleanse. With the difference of amazing efficacy and simplicity when compared to the dozens or hundreds of killers and cleansers one has to be on with the normal abx/ herbal approach.
But they are similar in the way that they simply kill and cleanse, like abx, supplements, herbs.
If one wishes to go getting really better, one has to address other things like probably the AI is doing (I'm pretty sure AI deals with antibodies too, not only allergies), with classical homeopathy for miasms, with psychological treatments, neural therapy....
In order to change the whole milieu of disease.
I think photons by themselves help on that too, to address some miasms.
If you guys are interested on neural therapy, just google it. It is a very interesting way and very fast way to treat many of the miasms and deep blockages left from infection or disease, I find.
I am almost 100% convinced one can do neural therapy with procaine homeopathic through photons too. I'm getting amazing results.
No way, the more you go on treatment, the most complex it gets as we need to be treating deeper and deeper,not anymore killing-cleansing only. --
Robin, yes, I had some difficulties with photons as I'm new on them. I didn't quite know how to cleanse, for example. NOw I think I'm getting a pattern. Even though, my liver is always a bit more stressed than while I was on herbs only.
My daughter is still testing for garinii. So I'm giving her 2-4 drops of cats claw a day for that. gotta go
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I also added galium Heel for her, wrong decision. Too strong detox remedy. If you guys go for Heel through photons or IV, I would recommend now:
- nux vomica homaccord - berberis homaccord - add the magic mix of ubichinon + citrokehl + coenzyme compostum for rebuilding enzymes and getting loads of energy through boosting ATP production - probably AFTER then add other remedies like lymphomyosot, hepar comp, solidago comp. Only adding galium compositum at the end.
There are a few articles if one googles about this 'order' to clean.
I also recently added Magnesium phosphoricum from heel too (through photons), in different potencies, it was very relaxing. Plus, now I don't need to ingest any magnesium whatoever.
I only recently got the Systemic drainage from Desbio, this looks to be a very good product too, that can possibly substitute hepar compositum and solidago compositum, if my memory is good.
the berberis hommacord is a very strong remedy by itself (interesting as it kills and cleans). I felt a strong reaction with it.
If you all are not interested in the whole combo, I guess only Ubichinon + citrokehl + coezyme compositum would do wonders already. Combined with photons, this mix is magic!! Loads of energy boosting.
The mere addition of energy to our cells will help on detox, kill, regulate, cell communication. I was only ingesting this mix before, but now through photons, this is even better.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Another remedy to leave on this thread is Traumeel, a sort of potent antiinflamatory.
I'm still new on this too, let's see. Almost everyone I test, test positive for it too. Maybe because of colds... I don't know.
--- Except for Mucan from Pekana, the other detox homeopathics I bought from Pekana can't compare to the Heel products. Heel is much superior, in my opinion.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Robin : If you have photons, I don't think you need to rife. If you do you should take great care. In that both of these methods stimulate eletromagnetic reactions of differenct kinds. I worry a little about possible mutations this might cause. Again combining rife with photonic light healing.
Posted by heiwalove (Member # 6467) on :
selma, heel remedies only come in dissolvable under-the-tongue tablets, yes?
Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :
this info is dense and i've been reading but not near caught up.
thanks tracy for that description/explanation/essay on the principles of homeopathy and photon work. that helped.
i will ask doc wh. about his tbd remedies, i have not had cause to yet, but now would like to know myself.
brussels, or others.. what is heel? and i gotta look up neural therapy.
daughter has gut issues, son has brain issues. still rough in my house. we will be atarting LENS neurofeedback soon for him.
(which not too many folks here responded to knowing about i guess o.t. for this thread, but LENS is very interesting using tiny frequencies to rewire brain waves, and i'll post on that when we have had time with it)
mo
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Thanks, Sparkle.... I think I may have used the wrong wording..... rather than calling it a `fad', I think the terminology was more like `drainage remedies are all the rage', or something like that. One homeopath implied that these drainage remedies and protocols are only necessary because homeopaths are too lazy or unskilled at finding `the right remedy'. Well, there may be some truth to that. But it could certainly be argued that finding `the right remedy' is no small feat, especially in today's complicated modern society. So, I don't automatically fault current practitioners for seeking new methods to get their patients healthy again.
**''Does classical homeopathy have a way to remedy all of the toxins we come into contact with? I don't know if people were exposed to as many toxins & chemicals when homeopathy originated.''**
Good point, and good question. In my (modern) Repertory, there is an entire chapter dedicated to Toxicity. You will find all kinds of things: Ailments from steroids to ailments from ozone, pesticides, mercury, lead, silicon, Ritalin, narcotics, x-rays..... certainly not everything we encounter in the world but clearly an ongoing database is being created to treat the `toxins' of today.
The best defense, though, is to treat the susceptibility to the toxins. For instance, one prominent contemporary homeopath states that unless you have an active Syphilitic Miasm, you will not have troubles from average exposure to Mercury. It is only when under direct influence of this miasm that you will accumulate Mercury in your body.
This goes back to what bejoy was saying about `allergies to pathogens', or what she calls `negative sensitivities'. When those are present, the immune system doesn't know how to deal with pathogens. I think this all relates to our susceptible state, whether we call it miasms or negative sensitivities - it makes us vulnerable because we can't get rid of the toxin, pathogen, whatever it might be.
And what is the best approach to subduing these `negative sensitivities'? Well, that's what we're all trying to figure out.
So, as an analogy, all the detoxing may be the equivalent of pumping the water out of your basement without fixing the leaks that allow it in there in the first place. And until you fix the leaks, you'd better pump out the water.
Now, don't anybody get mad at me for that! Obviously, if fixing the basement leaks were just a simple feat, we would all do it immediately. But seriously, I DO believe that so much detox is necessary for most of us because of our underlying mistunements as opposed to all the toxins and pathogens we encounter.
Selma, you said: **'' I don't think classical homeopathy can deal with ALL the toxic burden we are dealing with today.''**
Bear in mind that a key element in classical homeopathy - when it comes to chronic illnesses - is finding THE RIGHT REMEDY at any given point. But without that, well..... you and I agree 100%.
I wonder, too, if photons address miasms and susceptibilities on some level, or perhaps photons might make it easier to address these `negative sensitivities'.
I tried Traumeel ages ago with no effect.... but I knew nothing then about what to expect or how to use any homeopathic products. Plus, I was often on conventional medications at the time, and I do think that the longer I can stay away from conventional meds, the more sensitive I am to the effects of homeopathics.
Robin, I think Bob has a point about the rife + photons. I would be hesitant on that one.
Mo, you are welcome. And thank you so much for agreeing to ask about the `Tick Bite' and `Lyme Tick' remedies. I just want to know who makes them. Wish he used one called the `Sickest Tick on the Planet' so it would cover most of the co-infections we encounter. (I'm thinking more along the lines of using it as part of after-the-bite preventative therapy, but it would be an interesting candidate for use with photons, too.)
I have heard of LENS, and I thought at the time that it sounded pretty amazing.....
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Tracy -- absolute must for those just bitten by any insect, mosquito, tick, spider what ever. Put iodine on it to disinfect the wound area. I now really believe a lot of issues with micoplasma, borrelia or Co's could stop at the wound site.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks, Tracy. That was very informative.
Selma, you're going alittle too fast for me but I'm trying to keep up. I'm doing a bit of rethinking since I don't feel like I'm making enough progress. I still wake up feeling like I was hit by a train...
Bob- I was thinking that it might be beneficial to alternate Rife with photons & homeopathy. The light has become too much for me. Last dose of mycoplasmas I took orally - without the light.
I used the LightWorks for about 20 minutes for pain (without nosodes) & I had a detox reaction for 2 days from my intestines... It was mostly intestinal pain, can't eat regular food - just bland foods, etc.
It's a bit too strong for me. Some people I know can use it for hours....
I have to think about all of this...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Tracy, there are about 100,000 substances that are 'new' to the environement, totally man made, unknown to humandkind decades ago.
In the next years to come, about 30,000 new chemicals are expected to come. No control on 99,99% of such chemicals. We are all part of it.
No way classical homeopathy, in my opinion, could deal with such a burden. With tendencies to store one or more chemicals yes, but not with the shere amount of stress.
We are all sick from chemicals, to a lesser or larger degree, in my opinion. It doesn't matter the type of person we are.
Same as for EMRs. The sheer amount and exposure makes us all sick. Some less, some more.
Like if you inject heavy metals in someone. Once it's low amount, a few will get sick, others no. I believe classical homeopathy can deal with that type of sick patients.
But when you inject a certain amount that exceeds what a living being can handle, there's no way any remedy, homeopathic or not, can deal with that toxicity. Everyone will collapse, some a bit faster, some less fast.
My opinion!! ---
Thanks for your opinion on Traumeel. I'm new on that one.
About miasms... I don't know. I think photons can deal with some of them.
--- Heiwa, yes, some Heel come as so, you got to look at their catalogue. Some come in mulitple forms. I'm trying to buy everything in vials because I find many of their products are working well through vials.
But my naturopath did prescribe me the IV vials through ingestion (like Ubichinon) long ago. I took them through mouth for quite some time, but since I bought my PE1, I take them through photons.
----- Mo, Heel is just the brand name of products used by dr. W. for detoxing patients through iv.
---
Today I got a beginning of a cramp, Magnesium from Sanum is testing for ingestion. So the Mag phosphoricum either didn't work through photons or I just need the real mineral to have chemical reactions done well (not only homeopathic).
--- Sparkle, sorry to see you are so down lately.
As I told you, I believe you are in need to detox, but who knows for sure...
Dr. K. always says, in ANY chronic disease (cancer, CFS, MS, whatever) there are three pillars to treat: infection load, toxic load, psychological load. They come in the same amount.
the higher the psychol. load, the higher the toxins load, the higher the infection load.
When one of the loads falls down (for ex, infection load falls because of a good killing protocol), the balance of the 3 pillars gets lost and our bodies will try to get back to initial position, UNLESS we deal with the other pillars SIMULTANEOUSLY. Meaning, unloading toxins AND treating psychological problems.
If all 3 are not addressed, in his opinion, the body will sooner or later get back to initial stage of chronic sickness. Meaning, that what we killed, will be refilled by new pathogens to be again in the same 'amount' as with toxins and psychological load.
I feel photons do kill quite well, but if you still think you need extra Rife and extra abx to go on further, it is your choice. I think that sounds like more 'collapsing', at least, for me, knowing my body that can't detox well...
--- Tracy, I guess what dr. K calls psycho load is what you call miasms and such pillar certainly can be dealt with homeopathic treatment. Mabe dr. K and you try to speak the same thing, in the end?
if yes, I agree with you totally!
I find this image quite good. I came to appreciate it only with the time.
Scott just wrote about it in Public Health Alert.
Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :
brussels,
am i taking this correctly....? in simple terms; you are saying doc k. believes the higher the psychological load, the higher the toxins load?
(i get the balance concept, thanks for writing on that, but i don't know if i'm correct in assuming the above).
~ m
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks all.
Selma, I don't know what else I can do to detox... I have the Cowden detox tinctures here (I'm I'm taking them as needed) & I've been taking Lymphomyosot. I've been dry brushing & using a rebounder. I eat pretty good. I don't have any food allergies that I know of...
I've been taking charcoal, chlorella, clay & psylium as needed. I have 4 mercury fillings but I've have had tests & my burden is low. I'd like to get the fillings out ASAP but I don't have the money today. Even still - it will take some time to get it out of my system.
There's always more to do... It's just that the pain sucks! I'm tired of it.
BTW - I don't think I'm going to go back to abx anytime soon.
When I first got ill - I went to see a psychologist because I though it was psychosomatic. I don't think what we are dealing with is very linked to psych issues. It helps to deal with that but for me - it's not a huge focus right now.
The pain I'm dealing with is a trauma in & of itself... I don't think it's caused by my parents or stuff I went through as a child... Alot of people have a hard time with life & don't develop Lyme, etc.
I might be wrong...
The idea of miasms is interesting to me, though.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I dont think it has to be psychological in the sense of needing counseling as much as energetic holdings for lack of a better word.
The nmt therapist I am going to tested that 9% of my unconsciousness believes I will heal. I dont know if this stuff is bogus or for real.. but I dont think she is very far off there. Why? We could talk about that for a life time.
Perhaps some of us are "miasmically"/genetically/contsitutionally inclined to hold emotional injuries, energetic exposures of a negative kind. Chronic illness perpetuates that.
The quantum biology thought is that these do effect the lives of our cells. We reflect them and they reflect us. We also reflect the field and some of us are more sensitive to that.
Posted by clairenotes (Member # 10392) on :
I think there may be an attraction between negative emotions and microbes. In my own experience, for instance, I became very ill during a time of great anxiety and fear due to a family member's addiction. A strong flu was going around that winter and I never fully recovered from it (a significant `never the same since' homeopathic consideration). This time period marked the onset of my LD.
As I have unlayered the microbes over the years, it seemed to allow the energy of the emotions to release. I didn't have to do anything really other than the LD protocol, except deal with the space left behind... a lighter feeling that took awhile to get used to. This after years of 'talking' therapy.
Energy work such as reiki, acupuncture, yoga, etc., also helped prior to LD treatment and even allowed me to go through one of the most joyful periods of my life prior to diagnosis. But getting rid of the microbes had the greatest impact.
Any residual issues left after treatment were much more easily dealt with because the clarity that is the result of clearing these bugs is so strong. Typical negative emotions that used to linger for longer periods of time cycled through much more easily. And `right/ethical action' becomes very clear/natural (unless perhaps someone grows up in a milieu where improper thought/action is rewarded and considered normal... complete upside down)
I have witnessed this pattern twice as I recently had to deal with a non-lyme infection or rather an infection not typically associated with LD (trichinella).
There are a few practitioners in this area that believe one has to clear the emotions first... maybe this is true... I am not sure. Maybe the energy work allowed a more successful treatment. But generally, I feel that just going after the microbes is the most important thing... the rest should follow.
Claire
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Interesting comments, Claire. And all of you. I do think I came to appreciate this 'concept'of the 3 pillars with the time only.
Each of the 'pillars' are not simple to deal with.
Like detox is not 'simple' detox: take a few herbs /sups for a few months and get rid of heavy metals, amalgams, root canals, plastics, pollutants, chemicals in air, food chemicals...
We accumulated these since before birth, and still continue accumulating at a daily base. If we get rid of them at once, we simply die. Detox by itself is an art, way of life, and the most difficult part of treatment in my opinion.
For me, this is by far, the most difficult pillar to deal with.
The easiest, is killing, the microbe pillar. I have no doubt because it is so easy to find what microbes are causing disease to us and then find the right remedies. If we can't name the microbe, we can still find remedies to treat these with anyone with average skills in energetic tests.
I agree with all, that microbe killing is VERY important. I wouldn't be alive if I didn't kill borrelia, babesia, bart whatever else came full force in 2005-2006.
But it IS the easiest, there are so many efficient techniques, Rife, abx, herbs, tinctures, homeopathy, nosodes, now nosodes through light, some are killed by nogier, enzymes kill others, MMS, colloidal silver, zappers, Rizols, etc. All so efficient. That's why it's the easiest in my opinion.
The psycho part is NOT difficult to treat either. Not the easiest, but not at all too difficult in my opinion. It can be FAST and you just need a skillful practioner.
I did and do my psycho treatment with PK (psychokinesiology also based on dr. K's school) and I swear this is efficient and fast. No need for many years of psch. analysis etc. It just needs follow up as layers show up constantly, but no need for hours of treatment. A few minutes to half an hour a week of treatment is enough to progress, in my opinion.
Only MFT (or EFT) can do wonders by itself.
I believe is that THERE IS no one single cause for disease. I don't always believe it's the psycho the first cause or toxins the first cause. The TENDENCY is that psycho comes as the main deeper source, then we hold toxins, then immune system gets messed up, then we allow microbes to grow. But it's now always, it's not 100% like that, I believe.
For example, the presence of die off toxins, heavy metals or other allergens make us in such a stress that they do cause psychologiccal damage in themselves in my opinion.
All of us know what is lyme rage, right? For me, being in constant mode of lyme rage (or candida rage, parasite rage, it's all the same) constant bad mood, negativeness coming from the feeling of toxicity can cause life long damage to human relations and to ourselves, or course. So, more trauma.
Like what Robin says about these quantum realities, they do influence our health in all senses, going down to the physical body.
So here we have the microbes (1st pillar) emitting toxins (2nd pillar), making our lives a hell (third pillar). So it can be the other way around! Not always the 3rd pillar causing us to be sick with microbes...
I don't think the main cause for us to be so sick is only psycho. Pycho is just one part, that is what classic homeopathy tries to deal with and all the psycho schools that deal with disease too.
As I said above, I do believe that the sheer amount of toxins in our world make us all sick, some to a lesser degree (because they detox better, for whatever reasons, genetic or because they have less psycho burden, who knows?), some to a higher degree (because they tend to hold toxins). Like us all with lyme, I believe.
But you'll find toxins in whatever people you test. Healthy or not, with energetic tests or with urine tests!! It's not a matter of genetic constitution or miasms. It's just our world, our food, our furniture, cars, the air we breathe...
We, human beings, were not built to deal with 130,000 of unknown chemicals, many of them mimic our own hormones and disturb us. Then the sheer amount of EMRs we are being bombarded mess up with cell communication, mess up further with hormone production... Consequently, with our immune system.
We are all affected from EMRs exposures too, but some don't feel too sick, some do fall more sick.
Dr. K. believes it's EMRs our biggest problem, not even chemical toxicity. For him, that is number one problem to be dealt with in any chronic disease. He sees that clearly among his patients. I suppose EMRs shall enter in the toxic pillar??!
If one is bombarded 24 hours a day with EMRs, at night we can't sleep deeply well, our glands are affected, well, how can anyone heal?
So the second pillar (EMRs)could cause disease (microbes to develop), further make us difficult people to detox (because we mainly detox at night during sleep), then further making us feel crap, negative, and further going into depression or whatever, causing psycho damage (3rd pillar) and the cycle goes on...
As for our bodies holding toxins due to small or big psycho traumas, this is something I now truly believe. I have seen that on myself and on so many people that I can't believe there are big exceptions. It is not always big trauma. Minor traumas too.
Like yesterday, I treated my thyroid. It tested as being stresed due to a psychological reason. I kept asking and came as something that happened when I was 26 years old. With a friend I had. I can barely remember what happened, I just remember we got separate and the feeling of the separation was bad. He was not a boyfriend, just a very good friend.
Really, I can't remember what happened, it was not a big trauma, for sure. But my thyroid still remembers. So I treated it with tapping, etc (PK technique). Or one can treat with mere MFT tapping. My thyoroid is not stressed anymore, at least now. I gotta continue testing further, next week and so on, sometimes I get other layers showing up.
Another example: a woman comes to me with problems to absorb iron. She suffers from that for a long time, and now has to take iron infusions every 3 months. She seems not to able to absorb iron. The iron is well absorbed in her gut, but her cells don't want to absorb iron. She's got no allergy to it either.
It tests as Psycho, but nothing to do with her own past. It tests as something deep in her limbic brain, that can only be treated with colors. Well, PK again! I treated her with colors and eye movements. Let's see for the next months to come!! She came to me because I 'cured' her daughter of some food allergies long ago...
This thing of the limbic brain and color treatments, I can't even explain, something that we carry genetically? No idea, I just know it works like a spell. That is what dr. K teaches im his PK courses too.
It's like our cells have memory, and any event will leave an imprint somewhere in our physical or emotional bodies (even if our memory forgets). If the event is negative, it can cause for example, a root of a tooth to hold toxins (I just got a case of a woman like that).
Of course that if you don't do kinesiology or energetic tests, this is an almost impossible task to discover. And the people who don't do that by their own are skeptics to accept that. I was one! (certainly not anymore now).
When a duck told me I was sick due to psycho problems I wanted to kill him. The way these ducks see lyme and other chronic diseases as merely psychological is wrong. 100% wrong. We do need killing remedies.
But now I do believe there's a close relationship, even though we can't say it's always the psycho that comes first. I think we all know how much lyme stresses our lives, enough to cause big traumas one after the other. These traumas were caused by being sick with microbes, so not always it is the 3rd pillar causing damage to the other 2, but it can be just the opposite.
I find his concept very good to give me some light on how to deal with lyme or with any other disease in the long run. And it helps me to balance my treatment, specially now that microbes are not so important.
I have time and energy to deal with other stuff than killing.
Just another hint: I just put aluminium foil on my computer. Shiny part to the computer itself!! It tests as not affecting my pineal gland anymore!!!
The problem we, chronic sufferers fighting infections have, is mainly that we have no PHYSICAL time nor energy (nor money, sometimes) to deal deeply on all these 3 pillars. So we keep on concentrating on number 1.
gotta go...
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Bob, I think disinfecting the bite area is a terrific idea. But I have to tell you that the needle-like proboscis on insects like ticks and mosquitoes is so small that the skin and flesh surrounding the puncture area tends to close up quickly after removal. It's very difficult for anything topical to penetrate as far down as the proboscis reaches.
I even see this with puncture wounds on my cat after he gets beat up by the neighborhood bully cat. The wounds are small and close up quickly on the surface, trapping all kinds of nasty bacteria inside the wound. Cats are particularly prone to this. Even if I found the wounds soon after a cat fight, and shaved the wounds and treated with something like topical peroxide, he would STILL develop a nasty, infected abscess on occasion. And sometimes I would miss a small wound somewhere and it would get infected. It wasn't until I started giving the cat Ledum 30C after a fight that he stopped developing infections in the wounds. I rarely even shave the wounds or treat them topically anymore unless they are fairly large. Just the Ledum 30C for a few days, depending on how the wounds look, etc.
Selma, I think it comes down to the body's ability to slough off what it doesn't want or doesn't need. I think it's possible to change that with homeopathic treatment, though it will vary widely depending on a lot of factors. And it's hard to imagine that we humans can survive for too many more generations with the level of garbage that we are exposed to every day. This insanity will be stopped, one way or another.
Interesting about the Mag-phos..... I recently needed Mag-phos 6x to quell some strange, pricking/ biting pains in my feet and hands. Just 2 tablets and the pains went. And I didn't start having those pains until AFTER I started ingesting a bit of liquid magnesium-citrate (Natural Calm). So, I can only assume that the homeopathic version of magnesium was needed to direct proper absorption of the actual magnesium supplement.... ? So, where my body is concerned, I'm coming to some similar conclusions that you did.....
I think Dr. K. may be a seriously brilliant man. But it still comes down to my analogy about the leaky basement; if we can't figure out how to plug the leaks, we've got to keep pumping the water out.
Sparkle, I don't know anyone who doesn't have some quirks of personality or behavior, even those who seem particularly balanced. The human mind is marvelous at coping, but I do think that there is often sort of a `residue' that can persist after some stress, almost comparable to a physical toxin or perhaps a physical scar. As Robin called them - energetic holdings.
And these may originate with your parents or grandparents, not with you. Didn't I just read something about the children and grandchildren born to holocaust victims exhibit many of the same underlying fears, though they never had the experience? Could be `learned' behavior in some cases, but I wonder........
Like Claire, my onset of overt LD symptoms corresponds to a time of great stress in my life, too, with several dynamics occurred back-to-back.
But as Selma said, it doesn't come down to a single `cause'. Great explanation of all this, Selma, by the way. Very well said - an excellent description.
Selma, the tin foil: You put this on your monitor, or all over your CPU, or exactly WHERE?
I'm quite sure my time at the computer fries my brain. So, I was going to tape some of my little copper rings to it, but the tin foil thing sounds better maybe......
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Tracy, I just put them on my CPU, as my screen doesn't bother me as much as the CPU! The only problem is to leave it 'breathing', so we gotta make some holes for ventilation. Then I built a structure with cardboard that stands to block some of the EMRs towards me on the places that I did holes (a bit like a photo frame that we use on tables), and covered it too with alu foil. A kind of barrier, if you see what I mean.
It seems I can calm down much more near this computer.
Another thing I did, I just tested all plugs to see if they need to be plugged the other way around. I don't know if you have these types of plugs you can use either one way or another. If there are 3 points, then you won't have the problem. Here in Switzerland they still use the 2 point plugs that create EMRs if plugged in the 'bad' sense.
I only did energetic tests, but I think there are machines that can read it, as a friend of mine measured these EMRs for me once with an eletronic machine.
The PE1 radio and infrared frequencies can be blocked like this with aluminium foil, according to the maker (he tested that after I asked him).
As we use alu foils to block some EMRs for homeopathic products, I am just in trial here at home, as this CPU makes me sick!!
I do feel the difference, but only time will tell!
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I've had alot of stress in my life. Many people do but don't have Lyme or mystery illnesses. I may not have had as much stress as some people - so, it's kind of hard to quantify how this affects us.
I think psy issues are valid but what effects you at 5 or 16 may not effect you as much at 40. So, if we are all holding on to hurts from any age or before birth - I think the whole planet would be in the hospital right now.
I think we are under attack with some kind of weird pathogens. They may be natural or they may be man made... it's just hard to say. We don't even have a basis to address this issue since most of the world seems to be in denial about it.
I know I would be a much happier person if I wasn't in constant pain & pretty much disabled. It's really put a dent into my reality...
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Selma and all, Where can I go to learn more about PK?
Thank you all for this great thread!
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I think the emotional and or psychic or miasmic holdings are part of the picture for me.
I think it is all personal. My husband, stuff doesnt stick to him internally like it does or has for me.
I think where, when it does, it can be a contributing factor to chronic illness.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Did you all read this? bionicsurfbabe asked Dr.W what happens to the lyme:
it eliminates OR it changes its frequency to a less harmful form....
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
It's great news for Surfbabe! Thanks for posting.
Robin, I learned that in courses done by dr. K.
I guess the shortest cut is just finding a practioner who did the courses.
When I was very sick and knew nothing about it, it was my naturopath and lyme doctor who were in charge of that. The confidence comes only after experience, so it won't be very useful to do the courses now. Besides, you need ART 1 to do PK 1 due to muscle testing technicques.
In Germany, there's a database with names of people who did all 4 courses plus the MFT courses.
You don't have to find an ART specialist, just a psychologist or someone with similar background that did the PK and MFT courses. They won't treat you for disease necessarily, but they will treat you for blockages.
I wonder if there wouldn't be such a database in the US... I guess you could find it at Biopure?
--- Sparkle, all of us carry a psycho load, even the ones who are 'never' sick. And now that I can make all these tests, there's no one that is NOT sick, in my opinion. There are merely degrees of sickness and 'healthness'.
You are right, not everyone is in hospital. Part of it is due to miasms, I suppose. That makes a big difference in between people.
Part of it genetic background (some are merely stronger than others, or detox better than others). Part of it because some are less exposed to toxins and microbes.
Part of it, vaccinations I suppose (the more you get these, I believe, the more vulnerable you get to infections). Etc... So many variants.
Many times, like Tracy said, it's not even our own history, but it goes back to our parents' history, our grandparents', possibly even grand grand parents'.
Sometimes, it's our aunties and uncles, or grand aunties and uncles' histories entering our histories, even if we were never told of what happened. I've seen that on and on.
Other times, it's not even our histories or our family histories, but the 'energy' of the people who are around us that block us (husband, wife, children, family members usually). The blockage is sometimes so deep, they do 'enter' in our deeper 'soul' to block us from healing.
Even if we, as individuals, want to heal, if there's such an exterior blockage affecting us, we can't heal. Sometimes we need treating the other person who's doing that. It's fast to treat that too through these techniques.
Sometimes, the person says "I want to heal, to get truly better and healthy" and it's true (muscle tested, no stress coming). Then the person says "Everyone around me wants me to be healed and healthy again", bingo, stress comes and muscle test say 'not true'.
We can repeat the operation with different sentences to re-check. It's fascinating when we find things like that!!
Does it look hard to believe? Certainly. If I didn't trust my muscle tests, I would never believe that either. Then you treat that 'exterior blockage' from someone else, and see improvement in the person in the weeks, months to come. The you just connect the dots.
Sometimes, it's something also deeper in our lymbic brains, that we have no idea of, that can be de-conditioned (is this English???)through eye movements and color treatment. This comes AS OFTEN AS psycho treatments linked to personal histories.
We are just so complex. The network of relations, or of 'memories' that belong to us or to the ones around us, or our ancestors is so complex...
If we go by trial and error, it will take about 10 lives time to solve our problems of today. If we go by energetic tests through a skillful practioner, it'll take probably a few months to solve most of these problems.
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Having said that, I was barely treated for psycho problems to get out of lyme first time I got to remission. My main problems were not psycho related, but were more toxins + pathogens + neural therapy to be done than psycho treatments.
But the more I want to get better, the more I see there are psychological aspects that show up. Peeling the onion theory. I've treated dozens of minor problems like that for myself. So many times with color and eye movement therapy too.
Some people are just the opposite: they need intense psycho treatment from start to get better. Miasms!
Posted by clairenotes (Member # 10392) on :
That was a very nice description of the three pillars, Selma. It is true, there are a lot of possibilities for how we might stay ill.
As I read your comments it seems that some of the earlier energy work I did may well have contributed to a quicker recovery once I received LD diagnosis and began receiving treatment. I truly was an emotional mess prior to this energy work.
Acupuncture can sometimes clear emotional issues/energy very nicely. It can have a very profound immediate effect. Clearing LD proper then brought a higher level of clarity. And it is true... everything is a continued process... nothing is ever complete, in my opinion, as we are faced with new things to be cleared sometimes on a daily basis.
Yoga helps keep the channels open also... the energy of emotions flow through without physical impedence or chance of becoming blocked. And it can help create an awareness for blockages that do exist. But not all of us have the energy for this yet. Adopting some of the breathing techniques could be helpful or even just simply, 'remembering to breathe.'
High potency arnica montana is also nice for clearing some emotional trauma along with the flower remedies. But these are more subtle... perhaps best used for fine-tuning once other larger issues are clear.
Claire
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Claire, which potency of arnica do you use? It's true that accupuncture, other techniques can help on treating miasms.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Even photons on the surrounding field of our bodies, I feel, can do deeper treatments than merely applying photons on the body.
I guess there are many techniques, cranio sacral massage is another, and as you said, meditation, chi kong /tai chi chuan can change us from deeply inside too.
Or Bach flowers, certainly homeopathy... Or the treatment of anbibodies I did and have been doing, somehow this affects me deeply I find.
I am very interested in this arnica montana, claire. If you answer fast, I still can order that for Monday as I'm going to Brussels to get my 1,000K borrelia burgdorferi nosode (and the garini ones).
thanks!!
Posted by clairenotes (Member # 10392) on :
The arnica potencies in a formula that I use are: 3x 6x 12x 30x 100x 1000x 50lm. The formula is meant for physical and emotional trauma, though I have used it mainly for emotional trauma (procaine seems to work more efficiently for me for physical trauma).
Claire
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Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Thanks, Selma - I like the idea of the cardboard + the tin foil around the CPU. I don't want it too close - I'm a little concerned about any stray static electricity in our dry air..... with my luck, I'll short out my computer or myself. Maybe I'll tape the little copper thingies on there first and see how that goes. Safer for someone like me.
Robin, thanks for the link to bionicsurfbabe's blog - sounds pretty good for her. Also very interesting what Dr. W. said about what happens to the Lyme bugs. I have to agree with him simply because there are people out there who aren't symptomatic though they have Bb I their systems (my ex-boyfriend).
Again, Selma, excellent explanation of how we can be affected on the mental - even cellular - level by a number of variants. When we talk about the `psycho load', this has nothing to do with `hypochondriasis', which is what some of us have been accused of in the course of our illness. We're talking about genuine alterations in the pattern that defines health in our physical selves. It's real.
Great tips, Claire..... especially the breathing thing. So simple, but when I concentrate on it a just a few times I day, I CAN feel a difference at the end of the day.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
I just made a series therapy out of a tick my friend sent me. It bit her and she got a nasty EM. The series tests well. We'll see how well it works! I have a feeling it's going to be bomber, as it tests at 100%.
I was able to energy test the tick out of my Lyme test kit. Three infections. But you never know what else the tick might be carrying that's not in the test kit, so this way we get it all!
We'll add Systemic Drainage, Magnesium, and Proteolytics for good die-off removal.
If necessary, we'll add photons, and I think we've got this bite all wrapped up!
I'm pretty excited about this technology and combination.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Claire, many thanks. I'm getting a strong yes for 100X and higher!! I'm gonna ask them to do these too! Thanks, really!
Interesting comments about procaine helping with physical blockages (I am finding my procaine experiences through photons amazing) while these arnica helping with psychological related traumas! All are miasms, right?
I have a feeling that undiluted procaine through IV or subcutaneal injections are stronger than through photons though. I don't use undiluted procaine through photons as it tested way through strong, but I use a D2 dilution... It is already very helpful, I feel. --- Tracy, check also your plugs in case you have two point plug. They create already a very bad field by themselves.
You are right about the hypocondriac thing...
Before I forget forever, here is the potency equivalence table:
I'm not sure how we can use this table as in my muscle tests all these dilutions come as very different...
And also, before I forget; the Tables for using the pendulum in the book I told you, I have no idea if they are showing related elements. I suppose so, because the author, who is a medical doctor and basically treat ONLY with classical homeopathy, said he developed his tables for 20 years, and only published them after.
I have not enough knowledge of homeopathy to judge, that is why I'm suggesting you to buy it so that you can tell me!!!
There is also a BIG chart with iridology to be pendeled. I have done that and came with very very interesting results, even though I never did iridology before. Just to play.
--- Bejoy, I hope your tick remedy works. Is s/he going to ingest it? Just be careful with the dilutions, as for strong dilutions, she might ingest the pathogens themselves.
Keep mother tincture for future use. Test if the mother tincture, strongly sucussed is useful to be treated through photons.
I got a very strong yes for almost undiluted blood from myself, to treat TB. The sucussed 'mother tincture' tested very good. I needed it only once, and then it never tested anymore. After I added BCG nosode, I suppose now my TB went to dormant for good. It's been about a month or so without needing treatment.
So the almost undiluted TB through light was very good, I suppose.
Poor person... but 3 infections is still not that many, but be almost sure there are more. Test also candida species, you'll be amazed to find them in the ticks.
For my daughter's knee, it was her autonosdes that cured her this time. She's not needing anymore treatment for about a month or more. She had staph in her knee too (blood tested by the hospital) but she didn't take any extra staph nosodes for it (just the autonosode did the whole job).
The lyme doctor found 7 coinfections active in her knee (through slides). Now she doesn't test for any separate ampules of tick coinfections!! she never needed to treat separately her coinfections as her knee liquid autonosode had all.
She's now only on borrelia garinii treatment and higher dilutions of borrelia burgdorferi. Again, borrelia is the last one to go for us here... With or without light.
interesting thing, she was taking cats claw for borrelia garinii as I still don't have its nosode. Borrelia garinii tests exclusively in her tummy, not in her knee. So it was probably not in her autonosode.
I did with her a session of Funiculus umbilicalis two days ago (another magic Heel product), only through photons, and since then she's out of cats claw again!!
Funiculus umbilicalis is umbilical cord! It is indicated for any chronic disease affecting the connective tissue (well, borrelia is such a critter...).
Good luck for your friend. Are you testing your PE1 on her??
Use killer oils on her wound. I don't think alcohol based or water based stuff goes deep inside but I think oil based tinctures do go inside. If undiluted, add carrier oils like almond or similar! Treat the wound. I sleep with a slice of garlic taped on the wound for about 10 days after the bite.
I forgot to include Tracy's 'preventive' treatment with Hypericum and Ledum. On of them (or both) always tests good after an infected bite and I think they combine well with tick nosodes!!
Start with lower potencies, like 30K or so and increase to at least 200K with the time!
Good luck really!
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Posted by clairenotes (Member # 10392) on :
Selma -- the higher potencies of arnica montana can be really helpful, and I absolutely believe that it addresses miasms. I could almost feel something shifting or releasing at a deeper cellular level with this formula.
There are some other ingredients such as calendula, echinacea, arsenicum album... perhaps these also contribute, however, I was told that the key ingredient for emotional trauma by the practitioner who was very familiar with the formula, is the higher potencies of arnica. But if you feel like you are not quite getting results with those potencies you may like to have the complete formula.
With regard to procaine, I get an intuitive feeling that the physical substance is best in the beginning, and later photons. But it is great that you are doing so well with it with photons. Very encouraging.
It may address miasms, though I am not completely sure. It did feel at times as if it were breaking through something energetically... I had some tissue damage due to my recent infection and it was helpful for that... later photons seemed to complete the picture (not the infection, but the tissue damage).
I just noticed your post regarding t'ai chi and chi gong... yes! I agree that these are very helpful also. My husband has been doing t'ai chi for several years, but I chose yoga because the effects seemed a bit more immediate for me, a much more impatient type. T'ai chi requires more patience for results, but still just as effective in my opinion and such beautiful flowing movements (in the end they all teach patience one way or another, even to the extremely resistant ).
Tracy -- yes, simple 'conscious' breathing can work wonders (especially the 'full even breath' type of breathing from the abdomen). The stress of LD creates a lot of tension and 'holding of the breath' that we are likely not even aware of. I hope you are doing okay... I inquired about this via e-mail.
You are all so very resourceful... it astonishes at times.
Claire
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Hey, that's terrific, Bejoy! Were you able to make the series `tick remedy' with your potentizer, or did you have to make a remedy the old-fashioned way (dilution and succussion)?
Claire and Selma.... where did this procaine therapy idea come from? It seems like such an odd substance to use.....?
Selma, I think I have 3-prong plugs on most all computer stuff....
Thanks for the potency equivalent charts. (I think there's a typ0 - should be LMIII = D19 = C9-C10 ?)
Heck, I didn't even know there was an LM0! There's no such thing as a D0 or a C0, so I don't know what that is, do you?
The LMs are so different..... one well-known homeopath says that an LM1 is stronger than a 30C...... so this gets VERY confusing for me. Maybe it is stronger but the action is gentler to a sensitive person?
RE the tables in the pendulum book..... well, I might not be able to tell, either! There are several different established ways of grouping remedies, everything from using the Periodic Table to Plant and Animal Kingdoms..... since this is a doctor, he may be concentrating on body organ systems or something, and I might not be able to see that at a glance, especially since every remedy can treat a multitude of ailments. But you certainly have me curious about this!
Seven infections in your daughter's knee! And her autonosodes were what made the difference! That's pretty amazing, Selma.
Oh, I would love to get my hands on some pure umbilical cord remedy (though it appears that this is from pigs) - is this Heel product called ``Zeel'', Selma? If so, it is available here at Vitacost! I may consider this for my dog at some point: http://www.vitacost.com/Heel-Zeel-Homeopathic-Medication
SO true about the breathing, Claire - I catch myself doing that all the time and very shallow breaths. Some remedies I've taken actually cause me to take great, deep breaths, mostly during sleep. It seems strange at first - to awaken with this HUGE breathing going on..... and yet very natural at the same time.
Gotta go....
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Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
To clarify regarding the tick series - I used a potentiser machine so that no actual parts of the tick are or ever were in the product.
Consuming a tick in any way would be beyond my ability to participate in. Dangerous, but also just too gross and creepy.
She has been using bee venom ointment and LYM topicallly on the bite until I could finish this product.
Thanks, I will test for fungal coinfections. It's mainly a matter of interesting information, since whatever is in the tick went into the remedy.
This friend is out of town, so we'll check on photons when she comes to visit in a few weeks.
I also want to clarify, for the record, that this is a person who refused antibiotic treatment. I am not against the allopathic, as it works for many people. But I am all for a good alternative when side effects of healthy flora death and fungal growth can be avoided.
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By the way, I continue to be astonished about the power of flower essence therapy. The name sounds just so "fluffy" like a nice gentle spa treatment. The outcomes, I find, are not fluffy.
I find they drop me into the depths of my deepest issues, and rearrange my relationship with them, such that I have to find a healthy and resourceful way to do my life. All in about three weeks time.
The first two weeks of the treatment, if I take as directed, can slam me into my deepest confusion or despair until I get myself rearranged to a new way of being in the world. Then when the process is done, I don't seem to have to think about the issue again.
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I'm excited about the procaine therapy. I will want to learn all about it and work with it. The direct injection therapy is useful for so many people, but I'm interested in the photon injection route.
But for now, my brain is full. Do you ever get that way? I don't know if I can cram in any more information, or pull out any more creativity for a few days. Time to assimilate.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Everyone going to a 'real' Dr. K. follower will fall into neurotherapy in a day or another. I got those procaine injections in the first times I started treatment back in 2006.
Now I'm only using it through photons as TEST. No idea of the outcome, I just feel relaxed and feel some of my muscle pains on my back (shadow from lyme in the muscles) are gone. I guess they are 100% gone, or almost there. I mean, the 'shadow'.
Now I'm trying to treat my scalp, as I got many too many grey hair during lyme, so trying to do experiments to see if I can get my cells to work well again there.
I'm also trying to solve a problem of one sensitive tooth. It's much better, but still not solved. It is still a bit sensitive to cold.
I think the procaine is doing some effect. I just bought a very interesting book on tooth diagnosis and treatments related to the whole health, diagnosis and treatment based on Chinese TCM and on kinesiology, it's fascinating. But in German only.
--- The flower essence, some of dr. K.'s followers are also 'experts' on them, specially Bach flowers... My daughter got one, then I tested for it muuch later. No idea which one. I did feel some deep inner thing going on. It took, like Bejoy said, about 2-3 weeks, then suddenly stopped to bring me that 'feeling' after taking it.
Thanks for saying, Bejoy.
Again, some sort of miasm treatment, I believe... so many tools to treat miasms!
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There's danger on the actual procaine injections, I mean, danger of allergic reactions and other stuff. One has to read before doing that. With photons, I guess, is no problem though (unless you already got allergic?? No idea...).
-- Dr. K. says that some of the neural therapy effects can be obtained with tapping too. Like cancelling scars, for example. No need for injections.
One just needs discipline, as you gotta tap 4 times a day for 6 weeks to get it canceled. With injections, it can take just one or two injections. It's one of the MFT techniques he teaches.
--- Tracy, no idea what a LM0 is. I also wondered.
Hey, maybe you could fraw circles with elements around and test by your own there?
the product my daughter used through photons is called like that, Funiculus Umbilicalis.
Funiculus umbilicalis suis-Injeel and forte [Whartons jelly (umbilical cord)]
Remedy for affections of the connective tissue indicated in almost all chronic diseases. Damaged connective tissue, adhesions, osteochondrosis, premature aging, formation of wrinkles, adynamia, arteriosclerosis, cervical syndrome, coxitis,
duodenal ulcers et ventriculi, pruritus vulvae, psoriasis, sarcoma and carcinoma, auto-aggression diseases, damage through antibiotics and therapeutics, general therapeutical damage, scrofulosis, otosclerosis, multiple sclerosis,
tendovaginitis, hydrocele,auxiliary remedy for myxoedema, rethral stricture, fissura ani, prolapse of the uterus, erythema exudativum multiforme et nodosum, Becterews disease, myositis ossificans, osteomalacia.
The preparation should always be combined with suitable biotherapeutical agents and other suis-organ preparations (Hypophysis suis-Injeel, Glandula suprarenalis suis-Injeel, and in particular with Traumeel S, Engystol N, Galium-Heel, Psorinoheel, Silicea-Injeel, Hepeel and especially also with the intermediary catalysts of the citric acid cycle, for the purpose of achieving particularly powerful action also with the Composita-Heel, etc.).
--- She's still not testing for cats claw today. It tested excellent for her tendency to have eczema, and tested good for her borrelia garinii. It tested as helping her GI tract.
She's not on all these products recommended above. Only on Ubichinon Citro Coenzyme comp (the regulators of citric acid cycle), Traumeel is testing for her (but I still didn't try it) and she did once Galium, but it was catastrophic (too strong detoxifier), so now she tests negative for that.
I'm going to substitute for a combo Nux vomica homaccord and Berberis homaccord for her.
Guys, I'll be traveling for the next 2 weeks, so I may not come too often to check LN!!
Nice Eastern for all!
Posted by clairenotes (Member # 10392) on :
Tracy -- procaine was strange to me also and still is... do a search for 'prolocaine' in the subject line for some of my comments, and there are also a few other links provided if you still need more information. This was about two months ago. There were approximately two other threads after that as well.
Claire
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Thanks for the info and explanations, bejoy. Can't wait to hear on the tick remedy, too.
I feel like an idiot. I had a TOTAL misconception of what Neural Therapy is. I read about it ages ago, but somehow my brain wires got crossed in the following months and years. I have no idea how I got such a wrong idea about it.
Thanks SO much for the great links, Selma! I read every one, and now - like bejoy - I can't absorb anything more right now. I hit my `brain overfill' mark for a couple of days.... I have so many questions and ideas crowding around in my head.... I'll just have to wait and let everything `settle in'.
After reading about NT...... this explains EXACTLY why any dental work that involves local ANESTHETIC will ANTIDOTE homeopathic remedies (fortunately, only the LAST dose taken, not previous doses of a remedy). I never understood this before! Now I do.
Now I need to go back and re-read many posts in this thread regarding the procaine ideas. And NOW I will understand so much more! Boy, sometimes enlightenment is painful.
Oh, thanks, Claire - I'll do a search for 'prolocaine', also. THEN if I still have questions, I'll ask.
Oh, on the Heel product with Funiculus umbilicalis.... apparently, what's a Vitacost isn't the same - it's a combo with very low potency Arnica, Rhus-tox, and a bunch of other stuff. But, I see that Hahnemann Labs here in the USA carries Funiculus umbilicalis, but only in C potencies, which is probably okay. This remedy really intrigues me. And so does the procaine, now that I understand better.....
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks for all the great info.
I'm just wondering... I had a strong detox reaction when I used the LW alone for pain for about 20 minutes. Are any of you using the PE1 or LightWorks without remedies just for pain treatment?
How long do you use it for?
Someone here suggested that my liver may be too toxic & I'm not detoxing well. I'm going to try to do a liver cleanse this weekend.
I've been a bit hesitant to use the LightWorks for ingesting remedies due to the detox reaction. I also feel I've gotten to a point where I'm not as impartial with my bobber testing since I've gone through a few of these detox situations with the infrared light.
It's not fun (re: detox due to infrared light) & I don't feel like I'm getting anywhere when it happens.
Any ideas? Do you think it could be because the LightWorks isn't strong enough or is it too strong? Is it because it doesn't use SLEDs?
Bejoy, you seem to be doing alright with the LightWorks... Did this ever happen to you?
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
If your using lightworks or PE1 or bionic 880 and they move poisons out of tissue. Where is the poison suppose to go? If the liver or kidneys are congested they go right back into the tissue.
I've noticed that if you use the light oriented devices you have to drink lots of unsweetened cranberry juice. Increase potassium in your diet, especially potatoes with the peel. And drinking lots of carrot juice and apple juice. Adding dandelion greens to the diet is great and cheap. Parsely also is great veggie for the liver.
This is where diet might be better then supplementing.
I can use the lightworks for hours, I doesn't seem to do much for me anymore. So, it might mean I've graduated past the lightworks. If I'm going to go further I need a strong LED.
As an aside, I saw my practioner this week, and he has the full sanum kit with all potencies. I energetically tested all 4 tiers of the vials. I didn't test positively for any of them. I did test positively for heel's traumeel I think that is the name for it, but nothing else in the arsenal of items. I also tested against many of the sanum remedies, and didn't test positively for them either.
Thanks for the all the above information, I've got my work cut out for me to do all the reading. Especially to go over the neural therapy thankfully posted by brussels, my practioner is treating me for past scars using a cold laser. I definitely have noticed real positive changes with this therapy.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks Bob & everyone else for the loads of info! I hope you have a nice vacation, Selma.
It makes sense about the toxins not getting out. I went back on the Cowden protocol. I do this when I'm not sure which direction to go - just so I'm doing something.
I'm having a big herx from the cumanda. I am going to look into all the things mentioned in this thread. I think I may not be detoxing efficiently.
It may also be due to using the mycoplasma remedy.
I really need to get my remaining fillings out & then I will feel more comfortable about proceeding more aggressively. I should be able to get them out within the next few weeks.
I'm not sure if it's imperative but it will make me feel more confident about proceeding. I know Dr. K is very adamant about removing the fillings.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I think I'm with you, Sparkle. I am doing cowden because I dont know how to proceed..Detox issues as well.. I am up to 30 drops twice a day with cumanda, samento, enula and takuna. My doctor was surprised. She tests me using some vials that test for how degenerative or not something will make me.
She sent me to the NMT practioner for "allergies" and dysregulation and thinks that must be helping.. I dont know.. it is or the cowden protocol doesnt phase me too much.. strange.
With the NTM we have addressed recognition and elimination of toxins, pathogens, receptivity to healing, cant remember.. recognition of t3 came up and so has my temperature.. it actually gets above 98 now. Weird. I dont know what to think as I dont take anything. Its all energetic and can be done long distance.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
I just posted over on the Allergie-Immune thread.....
Has anyone heard of or been to see Andrea Candee in South Salem, NY?
I found a link to this person's website in my notes from awhile back but have no idea where I got it. I thought I'd see if anyone heard of this person.
Apparently, she sort of specializes in Lyme Disease, and it appears that her primary treatment is with `vibrational remedies' that deal with MIASMS...... when I read about it, it sounds very similar to the Allergie Immune remedies..... for more info, see the AI thread: http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/76633/2?
My head is still SO FULL of thoughts and ideas and questions - it will take a couple of days to digest it all. And I'm getting a little concerned about posting too much here that isn't directly related to light therapies because the thread is getting so long..... any thoughts on that? Maybe starting a companion thread of some kind?
Sparkle, I wish I had some suggestions for you. All I know is that there have been some reports of strong reactions to the Desbio series remedies. These remedies could be very deep-acting and very long-acting, and in a sense, I hope they are. But I do suspect that you are feeling the effects and may for some time to come.....
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
A companion thread sounds like a good idea.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Sparkle and others:
I use a vial of Systemic Detox, from DB, almost every time I use Lightworks and a nosode vial.
I also take Magnesium and Vit C and sometimes binders, like psyllium and pectin (I have a yucky detox mix you add to water) to move everything out.
Pardon the TMI, but I can tell by the peculiar BM smell when my system is draining lymph and or liver, and this method does the job for me!
I have graduated from Lightworks. When I got to 90 minutes by dousing, I gave it up. I don't have the patience to take so much time away from my family. I ordered PE-1.
Preliminary experimentation says it's lowest setting is more powerful than the LW. Seems as though there is a place for both machines.
I'd be especially careful with PE-1 and nosodes, if you are not sure what you are doing! But if committed, familiar with drainage support and metal binding, and a very good douser, then it seems like an excellent choice.
I have not treated with PE-1 yet. House guests for the week, and hard to find the time to focus and stay committed, since it arrived. Hopefully this afternoon!
No report yet on the custom series remedy, as she just started it.
Good report on the bee venom on the bite area! Immediate reduction of the EM, that had been hanging on for two weeks.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
R62- Funny, I had a big herx from Cumanda. Especially, if I don't take it for a while. I've been on & off the Cowden protocol for almost a year. It varies. It took me awhile to work up to 30 drops.
I think I have to be careful about the drainage situation. I'm not sure that I'm detoxing well. I'm going to try the Hulda Clark liver flush tomorrow & see if that helps.
Thanks, Bob!
That's interesting, Bejoy. My significant other can use the LightWorks for hours. He loves it. He would like a PE1... he doesn't have Lyme.
For me, I think I may be one of those people with detox problems. I'm going to have to work on it. I'm going to check into the DB drainage remedies.
I think I need to clear up my liver/lymph/kidneys in order for the drainage remedies to work properly. Doing a flush may help. I noticed that the Heel Lymphomyosot may have made an increase in my pain.
It may have been due to being too toxic. For me, it seems that the killing is not the problem - it's the detox.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
It worries me a little. I am herxing (achey and lots going on in my legs for some reason), but not as bad as on some abx in the past. Anyway... good luck. It would be nice to be able to use the LW like a normal person with lyme or without, I know. If its methylation or some other part of the detox pathway in the liver, you can address that as well. Looking into that, too.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
The systemic drainage product is for flushing the organs.
From the catalog description: "Systemic Drainage is for the whole body strengthening/drainage starting point. If in doubt, always start with this formula."
Supports drainage of Kidney, Intestine, Lung, Lymph.
DB also has drainage remedies for each of these organs individually. I usually test best for the combination, as do most other people I test for.
It seems that there are two terms being used: drainage and detox.
I believe drainage refers to actual emptying of fluids from organs, such as when you get lymph nodes so full that they form bumps.
I believe that detoxing refers to the specific toxin that is being cleansed from the body, such as mercury, petrochemicals, free radicals, and debris from bacteria, virus, and fungus.
When the organs are draining effectively, the body can detox faster and more effectively.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
The debris from bacteria is usually proteins that are foreign to the body. I believe these foreign proteins have a frequency just like live bacteria. The body could actually create an immune response to these proteins forever if they are not removed. I believe the power of homeopathy may just be helping the body to identify these proteins so they may be efficiently removed. I'm injesting the 1/m-10/m borrelia vials for just this purpose. I don't believe I have living lyme in my body anymore just the proteins of the dead organism.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I think you are right, Bob. I think there's something in my system that is blocking drainage. Thanks for the definition about drainage vs. detox, bejoy!
I noticed when I was taking the Lymphomyosot that my pain was increasing. It think I may have been draining but for some reason - it was not able to get out.
I'm not familiar enough with how the body functions to figure out what it was & how to fix it. I'm trying the Hulda Clark liver flush tonight.
I also started getting into juicing again. I think I have to address it from a more "physical" level & then I can go to "energetic". I'm not sure if this makes sense to people into homeopathy. It just feels appropriate.
I have a juicer but I wasn't thinking about diet. I tried diet awhile ago & it didn't make a big difference. I didn't know I had Lyme then. It seems to make more sense in light of killing bacteria.
The LightWorks or PE1 may be accomplishing that alone or with the remedies.
Many people have had great result with Rife, too. I don't know if all of these things can be used together in phases. I read that it's best not to take drugs or supplements while using the Rife - sort of similar with the Bionic 880 protocol.
Homeopathic remedies may be incorporated into the Rife protocol, though.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Sparkle its still going to take awhile, one hulda cleanse isn't enough. I found I still had stones after my last cleanse, I'm planning to do another next weekend and continue to do them until I'm sure my liver doesn't have stones.
The physical is part of the mix of things to do to get well. The liver is a physical organism that works best when the bilary tubes are clear to do their job. If not, you can't detox!
After 1 week from the cleanse you might want to do a coffee enema to restimulate the liver again. You still won't feel well for about a week, but after the coffee enema you might notice a huge difference in your symptoms.
If you see a lot from the cleanse, and you'll know what I mean after. Plan to do another cleanse two weeks from that one.
I believe there are many levers we need to pull to get well. Homeopathy is a big one. So are the physical ones of diet, exercise, and cleanses. Once the liver is free, you might find the LED is giving you near the problems it had.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I didn't think it would be this easy, Bob... I expect it's all going to be part of an ongoing process.
I like the idea of it for now but I'm not sure how my body will react. I like the idea that it's a simple, food based way to deal with a potential problem.
If it works... great. If not, it's not a huge investment of time or resources. It doesn't seem to be something that would interfere with an energy based approach like LEDs, Rife or homeopathics.
It's all just pieces of the puzzle...
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I am reading Dream Healer. He says every illness emits a frequency of light. Some illness like cancer inhibit the release of light.. (not sure if he means from the pathogen or from the immune system).. our body's responses to the illness are initated by biophoton emmisions.. if blocked, then immune system does not get stimulated.
He is an energy healer and uses inverse frequencies to the frequency of the pathogen.
Rife uses the same frequency and nosodes are energetic signatures? that notify the immune system.. uncloaked I would assume. he neutralizes with inverse frequency.
Light can help speed up chemical reactions in the body as well. The cumulative ligght frequencies from a multicellular organism coordinate and unify all of the cells into one harmonious organism. Light coordinates life.
Not sure how all applies, but interesting.
My lymphs are so backed up they are itching and hurting.. not sure what to do. Thank you for the info.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
R62 -- I believe the lymph and the endocrine system only work as well as the liver's ability to detoxify. Frequencies are great against pathogens, but it doesn't do any good if the liver is congested. There is no place for the poisons to go, they just backup, and the body becomes busy trying to manage what to do with them.
Do a little research on the web, and look for lymph and liver. You might find they are tied together.
The problem is we could be doing everything right except missing one important area. I thing the liver, although talked quite a bit about, still doesn't get the attention it needs to. As well as the kidneys, detox, and exercise, should be more focalized then it does. And this is the cheapest part of treatment.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Bejoy, your definitions of detox and drainage are probably correct. I'm not sure I ever made a distinction between the two. But I see now what you mean and it makes sense to differentiate.
Sparkle, how did the cleanse go? I was thinking...... doesn't Hulda C. recommend doing a parasite cleanse before doing the liver/gallbladder cleanse? I just wonder if you'd read that or done that.....
Exercise seems to be a key thing for me. I'm still not able to do too much, but a good walk for 1/2 hour to an hour 3 to 4 times a week really helps me. No movement of the body = stasis of the system. I often feel worse initially, but overall improvement over time.
Another element for me is some kind of hypercoagulation issue that has never been identified. And I've not found any supplements that adequately address this (that I could tolerate). So, once or twice a week, I've gone back to taking 1 regular aspirin. Until I can solve this problem in some other way, I'll do the aspirin, though I don't like to.
I'm considering doing some `cleansing' using Cell Salts, just as an experiment. Specific salts deal with different body systems, and I've found some tips on that. Not sure yet. I have two protocols backed up to do: An uncommon `parasite' approach lasting about 3 weeks and then a 10 days intensive probiotic treatment (which I don't expect much from except maybe pain). Not sure if I want to try to incorporate the Cell Salt thing in there or not...... haven't decided yet.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Back to the PE-1 topic...
Got my new PE-1 and have used it for two treatments.
With Borrelia I am up to M1 on Borrelia Garinii.
I used the PE-1 with the M1 BG (is that silly, or what) on setting intensity 5 direct (not pulsed) for about 15 minutes.
It seems to me that several of the intensity settings test well for me. The difference is mainly in the length of time of treatment.
Last time I tested for Lightworks, it was going to be a 90 minute session, and I threw in the towel. So I'd say that PE-1 is certainly stronger, as we suspected.
Stronger is not always better, I have found, especially in the beginning, or without adequate drainage and detox.
As comparisons go, I think the between these two machines, both can do the job, and you do get what you pay for.
At this point I am feeling confident that this technique works extremely well, it can be a "cure" for lyme and coinfections, and that it doesn't work alone.
It works well only in conjunction with good drainage AND detox, along with careful attention to the whole system of genetics, allergies, and miasms.
For me the search is over. I am well.
I will keep an eye out for the rest of my life for lyme to resurface. I don't trust this beastie as far as I can see it. And I can't see it.
It feels really good to know that I am in control, and lyme can't have me anymore.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Bejoy -- I feel really happy you have been able to get well!!!
It is also encouraging about the PE1, I'm happy to hear it.
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
If PE1 is like the bionic 880, the theory is that the borellia is not killed and eliminated from the body, but Dr. W from Germany believes (according to others who have seen him) the frequency of the pathogen or the heavy metal is changed so it is in harmony with the body.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
That's great, bejoy. I didn't expect to hear from you so soon about using your PE-1.....
You mentioned ``M1'' of the Borrelia Garinii. Is this the potency? Is that the same as 1M?
Robin, I believe what that book says about cancer and light. A friend who seems to have a gift in the area of `seeing' things that others don't ...said essentially the same thing after spending some time with a mutual friend dying of cancer..... that cancer is very, very `dark' and there is an `absence of light'.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Yes Tracy - M1 = 1M. It was a typo.
More testing this afternoon shows I still have some work to do on Babesia Microti. I actually thought I was done with that a year ago, after I took the series remedy.
Apparently it was knocked back, but not entirely eliminated.
Testing shows up differently when I ask if a certain homeopathic would be beneficial, or if I ask if it would be beneficial with the light.
The trick now is to stay after the pathogens, rather than getting lazy. I don't really want to spend any more time on being ill, thank you very much.
At least I can find no more sign of TB anywhere in my body, and neither can two of my best practitioners. Yahoo. That one scared the heck out of me. I thought I had lost an eye. Another one bites it with light.
I'm fairly convinced that the photons alert the immune system to the presence of the particular pathogen in the vial, and send out the immune brut squad. Kind of like an internal war of ethnic cleansing.
The die off and need to drain and detox along with treatments makes me think we're killing something, not just harmonizing and making friends. I don't think the light does the killing though, I think it's the immune system.
I wonder what would happen if you did a light treatment made with a potentised homeopathic of a cancer biopsy.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Tracy, my sister said it looked black as well.
Question:
The light with nosodes either
(1) signals the immune system to kill.. this the Bb is killed and we herx
(2) signals the immune system to disable, change, harmonize.. thus we herx?
I am confused.
Possibly it does both.. some are killed by the immune system.. some harmonized??
I can see light operating as Adam the Dream Healer says.. neutralizing.. but the frequency would have to be a neutralizing one??
Second question:
Are you all testing with vials in hand always?
Thank you. Robin
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I know.. it diables something in the lyme that makes it virulent like Marnie has posted about Mn.. ????
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Hello-
I was getting a bit overwhelmed with everything. I took a break from testing. I felt like I was losing my impartialness.
Anyway, re: Sparkle, how did the cleanse go? I was thinking...... doesn't Hulda C. recommend doing a parasite cleanse before doing the liver/gallbladder cleanse? I just wonder if you'd read that or done that.....
I didn't do the parasite cleanse or have my 4 remaining mercury fillings removed. I don't think I have any problems with parasites, as far as I know. The liver flush was really intense & I was quite ill for a night or so. I did pass some small stones & chaff - which was good.
I'm still recovering a bit & it's been about a week (like Bob said). I do think it was very worthwhile to do. I'm thinking about trying another coffee enema. I'm also looking into some glutathionine suppositories.
I think my problem was just what Bob said. I was reabsorbing the killed off bacteria & it became an endless loop. The toxins just couldn't get out. I also started doing more rebounding & stretching.
Even though I was in alot of pain, it feels like it's breaking up & somehow releasing. I think exercise is important & I'm going to try to do more.
It's hard to think about exercise when you're in chronic pain but it probably helps. I was also concerned about fatigue - so you have to be moderate & not overdo it.
I have to continue to see how it goes. I'm also trying to eat more raw & cooked veggies & juicing.
Someone I know was able to kick cancer by drinking baking soda in water. It changes your pH. It may be helpful for us Lymies to do some of this.
Lyme may be a stealth pathogen. It is evasive so the body doesn't "see" it. Maybe the light makes it more visible to the immune system?
I put any treatments with infrared light & homeopathics on hold until I am able to detox. The liver flush did help. I may try the simplified protocol of 5 supplements for the methylation reactions.
The times I used the LightWorks & got very toxic may mean I have detox issues. The drainage remedy just seemed to make it worse since I wasn't detoxing properly.
I agree with Bob - liver & exercise are some things I was overlooking.
The PE1 is probably a good investment if you can afford the extra $700 or so. It seems that the LightWork may be good to start out with - especially if you are like me & very toxic or not able to detox properly.
It may be a question of balance. If your body is dealing with alot of toxins, pathogens, viruses, poisons, emotional issues, etc. - it can get out of balance. Your immune system can get overloaded & not know how to address all of the issues it's confronted with.
The terrorist may be here among us but we don't see them... just a kind of lame analogy but it may be how it works...? Or "Predator" with Arnold Schwarzenegger.... how the Predator was invisible...
For me, the LightWorks was more powerful than I realized. It probably was killing pathogens even without the nosodes. I have to go back & rethink it all over.
Then, in a few days, I will be able to consider trying the homeopathics & the dowsing again.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Robin, does it really matter whether the bugs are killed or neutralized?
The `herxing' thing might be a simple overload of the body trying to dump and eliminate stored toxins that were `held' in the tissues by the effects of the active bugs - this seems to be the accepted theory. If so, then one thing that is `missing' in the do-it-yourself photon treatments is some kind of IV chelation to help get rid of toxins quickly - because they are being released quickly. It seems like those who have already done a lot of other alternative treatments and detox work are the ones that have milder herx-type reactions?
It's possible that the photons are doing something similar to what the procaine does (Neural Therapy), which is change the electrical charge of the `ground substance', thus restoring communication within and outside the cells. And this electrical charge is directly linked to acid/alkaline balance at the cellular level. And from what I've read lately, I'm reminded that when we get stressed, the first thing that happens is alteration of the pH balance throughout our system..... alteration of the `salt' (mineral) balance of the cells...... which goes back to what Sparkle mentioned about kicking cancer by drinking baking soda in water (Dr. Simoncini).
So, I would say that pH balance of our cells and the extracellular fluids is pretty critical for both treating and detoxing (and drainage). I think you are on the right track here, Sparkle. Glad to hear you feel something good happening. And from the reports so far, I do think the PE-1 might be a bit too strong for some right at first, and the Lightworks would be a better starting place.
Oh, about the Parasite Cleanse..... it seems like I read that it should be done first or else the Liver Cleanse can make you quite ill and very uncomfortable for several days. One thing I learned about the Parasite Cleanse is that it is VERY constipating for some people, so an additional herb or product should be taken to keep everything moving. That IS NOT made clear in some of the Parasite Cleanse instructions. Wish I'd known that when I first did it - it was terrible and probably didn't do as much good as it could have since I was sort of `backed-up' the whole time. But I will say that when I did the Liver Cleanse later, I really didn't have any problems, and got out TONS of immature stones, etc.
One other little bit of news.....
Dr. J. Rozencwaig, NMD - the `Fibonacci Series' of remedies guy (Golden Ratio) - says that there will be an update article coming out in the fall of this year.... he's using only the F. series remedies and LMs with extremely good results (as long as the remedy is correct, of course). He seems pretty excited about what he is seeing.
Also, the lab that is making these remedies for him in New Zealand now has over 100 `F Series' remedies available, and many practitioners are interested, so maybe this will catch on.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Is that a rhetorical question? Surely you are interested, too?
I was a bit shocked when Dr. W says more probably the Bb is neutralized in some sort of way. That goes against the lyme literate protocols of killing the Bb into some sort of maintenance level or "remission" doesnt it? That goes against what I think most of us were thinking at the time with the photons.. the nosodes send directed messages to the body to *kill* the Bb..
So what are the nosodes doing if we are "harmonizing" or "neutralizing" the Bb.. whats the role of the nosodes? Is there really a role for the nosodes? Do they enable the immnune system to neutralize the Bb?
Besides use of Bionic, the differences between treatment with LW or PE-1 is the detox and the "live" nosodes used by Dr. W. If the photon equipment does not matter... and the nosodes do not matter (????) then its the detox.
I'm wondering the role of the nosodes.
I'm wondering if neutralized means cyst, dormant mode?
Also.. if neutralized, then is that permanent?
If not, then this would be ongoing life treatment, possibly, which is fine with me as opposed to abx, herbs, and probably rife.
Doesn't the whole concept center around an enabled immune system ... directed by nosodes or not. It is an immune system that has been notified with nosodes or enabled with light or both?
Your theory makes sense. Thank you.:-)
[ 04-04-2009, 01:46 PM: Message edited by: R62 ]
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Yes. You are supposed to do the parasite cleans first. You're also supposed to have your mercury filling out, too. For me it's a big bottleneck with these 4 fillings I have left... I should be able to get them out soon.
I don't know if Bb is considered a parasite. It's not a bad thing to do the parasite cleanse but I needed to do something. I think it was very helpful even though I didn't do it in the proper order.
I think you need a zapper for the parasite cleanse. It would just hold things up for me if I had to get that & do all of that...
I think you are also supposed to do the kidney cleanse prior, too.
In my case, without any scientific testing, I think the infrared light alone kills Bb. I don't think you really need the nosodes. I don't know if killing is the correct term but it does something.
The nosodes are good, too. It would be interesting to do a study of using nosodes vs. without nosodes...
It seems that there are many things that can "kill" Bb... Cumanda & Quina worked quite well judging by my herx. Infrared light with or without nosodes, Rife which I haven't tried but I've read many good things about....
It seems, for me, the toxins aren't getting out fast enough.
Tracy - does Dr. J. Rozencwaig, NMD have a website?
Some people take Alka Seltzer Gold as part of the herx detox. It may make sense... I think it's basically the same as drinking baking soda in water.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I just read fast. Great Bejoy is fine and believing photons can put lyme under control.
I'm doing a strong treatment that I call a thorough cleansing (probably similar to AI) and readjusting hormones, meridians, wiping the few allergies I have etc. No more lyme, but I still was testing for the 1,000K borrelia burg. I took it ingested as I'm still not home.
My daughter took it too ingested.
Since her funiculus umbilicalis, I think borrelia garini got dormant for her. She doesn't need any remedy for garini, even though I have the nosodes now. She's treating vaccines and I'll probably do an antibiotic cleanse too for her, if she tests for it.
As for the energy cleansing from dr. Woitzel, I think I understand what he means for the highest dilutions of borrelia. As Bob says, I don't think I have borrelia anymore either, not active, I mean, but some sort of protein or memory of it that I believe is possible to clean with higher potencies.
Higher potencies like 1000 K don't cause any herx anymore, just the electrical feeling Tracy said before.
Lower potencies nosodes (all X dilutions are low potencies) DO KILL. Or in better words, it sends the info to our cells to kill. Exactly like Bejoy describes. Totally agree. I don't think photons only do the job as fast as nosodes through photons.
We're out of lyme, at least until next reinfection. I start to believe on a possible long term remission for me for the first time. My daughter though seems to have more issues to treat. Even though I wonder if I didn't find what the main focal problem was (vaccination). We're exactly on this step of vaccination detox.
She has no more lyme either, I believe. We're not treating anymore, except for detox, thorough detox.
But as Bejoy said, this is not linear. I don't believe that photons plus nosodes do the job by themselves. Sparkle is an example. DEtox is essential, anyting like neural therapy too, probably some psycho treatment, classical homeopathy, allergy dissentization, etc. I'm for energetic tests too for that.
As I always keep repeating, killing is always the easiest part of any protocol. The rest is what is difficult as it is so tailored for each individual.
I'm not on Sanum anymore either, so I guess I got here I expected for the moment. Now I'll try to concentrate on my mouth again, I suppose, as I still have 2 root canals to go and one sensitive tooth.
I continue though, about once a week or less, to use anything from Heel that tests. For the first time ever, I'm testing for Glyoxal. It is not recommended for anyone sick, though as this is strong. I'll try it when I'm back home. Now, I'm having enough with vaccination treatment I'm doing for myself.
Hubby and daughter are getting free of all allergies too, including chemicals, furs, dust etc. Even milk. I still didn't test for the allergy product, but will probably test in the near future.
gotta go now, wishing good continuation of treatment for all!
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Selma.. thank you for the update and explanation.
What are you using for the cleansing and allergy clearing?
For those who use desbio.. can you get those higher dilutions from them or do you need to go elsewhere?
Thank you...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Hi Robin, for cleansing and balancing I'm on what I usually take, chlorella, bear garlic X1, rechtsregulat X1, electrolytes home made, I added in the last months thai ginseng X1 (all other ginseng are not needed, but this thai one keeps testing for some reason...)....
Not needing metal detoxing agents for the moment. I find cilantro X3 excellent for detoxing, better than pure tincture.
I gotta go, I'll answer later.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Robin, it wasn't a rhetorical question. At one time, I was intent on `killing' whatever was making me sick, namely, the bugs. So, that was my frame of mind for everything I did as far as treatment goes. When I stopped looking at the bugs as the `cause' and viewed them more as an `effect', it changed the type of treatment I was drawn to. So, I was curious how you felt about killing vs. neutralizing. (And, yes, I'm naturally curious about how these organisms are affected by energetic medicines. It's hard not to be.)
As to your other questions, maybe someone can answer who has some concrete ideas about the bio-mechanics involved.
I've subscribed to some version of the neutralization theory for quite awhile ..... at least when it comes to energy medicine. I do think bugs are eliminated to some degree, but I don't see them being killed so much as they simply cease to exist (in their previous form). Orthodox medicines (drugs) are a whole different world, and that is the world where terms like `killing' and `remission' and `immune system function' and `cyst form' are most applicable. I'm not sure where all those terms fit in the photon/homeopathic realm.
Western medicine is a system where opposing forces are used to diminish disease; energy medicine is a system of similar (or same) resonances to deactivate or extinguish harmful disorders in the body.
Sparkle, I'm not aware of any website for Dr. J. Rozencwaig. To be honest, I've never looked, though.
Oh, and you are right - several cleanses are recommended before doing the Liver Cleanse - I'd forgotten. I remember that I did them all, and it got expensive buying the cleanse `kits' (a lot cheaper if you put the kits together yourself). No Zapper involved in the Parasite Cleanse - just herbs like wormwood (not the same wormwood as Artemisinin) and black walnut tincture, some others..... Anyway, I'm glad you got through the Liver cleanse and feel something positive from it.
I don't remember reading that you should have amalgams removed first! Well, I had the dentist check me the other day - I still have 11 amalgam fillings in my mouth. Eleven! *sigh* That's a lot more than I thought. Most of those are about 40 years old. I've had very few cavities since I was a kid.
It seems to me that using light/photons should be able to HELP with drainage, i.e., energizing and treating specific organs and pathways before attempting to treat diseases or disorders? Or am I looking at this wrong?
On the home front.....
I learned the hard way (again) about indiscriminately mixing herbs and homeopathics too close to when I sleep. All I did was add one little capsule of Ginko Biloba to my regimen. But apparently, I didn't take the herb early enough in the day and when I took some cell salts at bedtime, my mind was a racing with all these convoluted and completely random thoughts for a couple of hours before I could fall asleep. Grrr. Now, I just take the Ginko earlier in the day and no further problems, so far.
Also, maybe some good news on the dowsing front...... I made some changes and I THINK I was able to use a pendulum last night and get accurate answers. I would know more about how well it worked except for the fact that I forgot to take the remedy that I was `testing' for last night. (Duh. Good grief.) I'll check again today......
I'm really tempted to do the AI treatment. Sounds like the effects can be strong, though, so I may not be able to tackle that until late summer - there's a big reunion scheduled and I would hate to be going through some physical or emotional issues at that time.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Tracy -- you should make a plan to get rid of the amalgams. They disrupt energy in the body. I suspect you have difficulty getting some of the remedies to work as well as they should. Just a guess though!
Thankfully, since you are progressing with your pendulum. I suggest you use it to test each tooth where there is an amalgam and determine which one needs to be replaced first. Make a plan to have them replaced slowly over time with plenty of detoxification.
The mouth is the gate to preventing organism from infecting us. Each tooth is on a meridian line and needs to be taken care of to have a fully energetic meridian. I wish I could ship my Dentist / Doctor to you to help you with those amalgams. I've had as many as 50 of them in and out of my mouth over the years of my life.
As far as when to do the liver cleanse. I now believe it is important to do the liver first. It depends on the person for when to do the liver cleanse. Most of us have been detoxing for some time. The liver can be the ultimate log jam. I sensed in Sparkle's situation that to be more the case. With a liver cleanse out of the way. It will take more pressure from working on the kidneys and bladder. Which can be done with herbals and diet. The next phase is to get it working as good as it can work. To do this it is important to do either coffee enemas or coffee orient suppositories. By doing this simple thing, the liver will start generating a lot of glutathione to help further with detox.
Concentrating on a high potassium diet should help the kidneys and the bladder to function better. Then Sparkle continue using the light to improve further again.
There is no canned protocol or recipe for what the body needs to cleanse, it is better to just reason it out. I just don't think after all this time that parasites are an issue.
Only time will tell, but the news is promising. So hopefully sparkle will keep us up to date.
By the way, just finished my 3rd hulda clark cleanse. I still had over 200 stones and lots of chaff, but I think there are very few left. I didn't get at all sick after this cleanse. Today, I feel a lot more energy, almost as much as when I was fully well. Its great!!!
Just want to close by saying hello to bejoy (great your doing well with the PE1), robin (your thinking is continuing to progress, you really seem like your getting your arms around this), and of course Selma ( who we are all looking up to with her latest discoveries).
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Bob, are you talking about kidney stones? If so, have you read much about Nanobacterium?
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Yes, I am highly drawn t the idea of neutralizing, harmomizing the more I read up on energy medicine. Thats probably why I have not bought a rife yet, though the herbs are killing as well (or so we think?).
My sister resolved her health without killing anything that I know of. That will never stop intriguing me or effecting how I view this experience "with lyme."
I am so far gone in that direction that I wonder the need for a photon device. What is it doing and how is that different from the frequencies in the field? It is a tool to access it, best I can figure as are the energetic vials of this and that. They are tools to access what already exists?
In the meantime, I do not have the direct access my sister has had to the healing field. There is not a doubt that she has.
I am hearing about dissonant energy and resonant energy. A singer shattering a glass or the intrument (laser? )that shatters a kidney stone is using resonating energy.. it makes the atoms spin so fast the organism or matter shatters. It seems Rife technology is similar? Other energy devises supposedly harmonize.. which seemingly could hold the possiblity of harmonizing all life in the body unless selective frequencies are filtered out if possible.
Thanks, Tracy.
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Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Bejoy, I was talking about gall stones, and according to hulda clark are really liver stones. She says the stones from the liver cleanse continue from the cleanse even if the person doesn't have a gall bladder.
But since you mentioned kidney stones, I have a relative who has issues with them. Had one surgically removed. And for that reason it might be timely you mentioned it, I look that up! thanks, Bob
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
From another venue. The mag pulser energizes "pathogens" as well as the "immune system", though the latter to a greater degree. This was passed on info.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I agree with you Tracy... it's not the "killing" that's the big issue. This illness does effect us each individually. I really had to consider detox.
For me, I noticed that people were doing well who exercised, too. I don't really like to exercise so I believe I have to adjust my thinking about it. I think it's something I'm missing.
I also think I have to deal with my fillings. I'm kind of in a rut until I can have them removed. I don't want to be too aggressive about some aspects of detox until I get rid of the mercury.
I found this product - http://www.bioraynaturaldetox.com/ I'm wondering if anyone has tried it (NDF)... It says you can use it even if you still have fillings.
I'm not sure what is holding me up. I do feel I made some progress with the liver flush. I'm going to continue along that direction. I feel clearer so I think I can use the dowsing again.
It's hard since there are so many body systems to consider... & besides all of that, there's miasmas, psychological issues, past life issues (LOL), stress, economics, epigenomics...
Bejoy - I believe Bob was talking about gall stones from the liver flush.... I think pathogen pieces accumulate in the liver & they become encased in fats. This create small "stones" which clog up the liver. This is what is expelled during a liver flush.
Getting rid of them helps the liver to be able to work better to detox the body.
In my case, I don't think it's so much of an issue to use the infrared light & the nosodes. I think I have to continue to find out why I don't detox properly.
All of this is working but I don't seem to be eliminating it properly. I don't seem to be having problems with my intestines but if I do the treatments too aggressively - that's when I start having problems.
I'm also having problems with my lymph. Feels a bit stagnant, glands slightly swollen. I read there's a tea that's made from an herb called cleavers which may help.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
So many paths down to the same river.
I find that every time I learn a new technique, it leads me towards something even better or more powerful.
Sometimes as soon as I get really proficient at a technique, I find I can skip a step, or just envision the outcome, and it arrives.
But I could not have done that before I experienced the whole process through all the steps.
It's kind of like being the young martial arts initiate, who has to chop wood, carry water, and sweep the dust, on the way to becoming the master, but he doesn't understand why yet.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Thank you, bob.:-)
Selma:
>>As for the energy cleansing from dr. Woitzel, I think I understand what he means for the highest dilutions of borrelia. As Bob says, I don't think I have borrelia anymore either, not active, I mean, but some sort of protein or memory of it that I believe is possible to clean with higher potencies.
Higher potencies like 1000 K don't cause any herx anymore, just the electrical feeling Tracy said before.
Lower potencies nosodes (all X dilutions are low potencies) DO KILL. Or in better words, it sends the info to our cells to kill. Exactly like Bejoy describes. Totally agree. I don't think photons only do the job as fast as nosodes through photons.>>
Oh.. so it sounds like the photons when using nosodes do kill and this goes on as long as your body energetically tests for this. Then the protein or memory is cleaned out by the higher potencies.
I am wondering if photons without nosodes enlivens everything as I guess it would with nosodes since this is not targeted frequencies??? esp with the PE-1 on constant mode.. but there is no targeted response or perhaps magnification of response to the Bb without nosodes.
When the body no longer needs a "killing effct" (whatever that may be) then it says so with the energetic testing. ??
Thanks, Robin
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
quote:Originally posted by bejoy: So many paths down to the same river.
I find that every time I learn a new technique, it leads me towards something even better or more powerful.
Sometimes as soon as I get really proficient at a technique, I find I can skip a step, or just envision the outcome, and it arrives.
But I could not have done that before I experienced the whole process through all the steps.
It's kind of like being the young martial arts initiate, who has to chop wood, carry water, and sweep the dust, on the way to becoming the master, but he doesn't understand why yet.
Thank you, bejoy. I see m sister and dont see a process (although I am sure there was one, although very different in ways )and it worked then I see this process and both are confusing. This explains a lot.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brussels: Hi Robin, for cleansing and balancing I'm on what I usually take, chlorella, bear garlic X1, rechtsregulat X1, electrolytes home made, I added in the last months thai ginseng X1 (all other ginseng are not needed, but this thai one keeps testing for some reason...)....
Not needing metal detoxing agents for the moment. I find cilantro X3 excellent for detoxing, better than pure tincture.
I gotta go, I'll answer later.
Thank you, Selma. If you have time, how do you make the electrolytes?
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Robin,
The basis for using an LED originated from Professor Fritz Popp who discovered many of the cells in the human body communicate using biophotons or light. So an analogy might be, if you don't eat it doesn't matter how much healing thoughts you might have, you run into a physical reality and you will starve eventually. The use of LEDs might for the same reason as eating may supply cells with light. The light might have been deprived from the cells due to disease. So, we may be light deficient and why Dr. W. has had such success. He's found a very good way to put light back into our cells. This is the best perspective I can supply.
Your sister found a way to resolve this disease isn't necessarily the same for everyone. A doctor might characterize your sisters recovery as placebo, we may also characterize it as energetic healing similar to what a himalayan monk can accomplish. We're all trying to be that good, but are we?
So light like food might be something we need nourishment from. Energy healing can bypass some of this if you are skilled enough or gifted enough to accomplish it.
Just perspective.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Robin, near infrared light, like in the PE-1 is not supposed to be visible to the human eye.
I find that I "experience" this light, even if I don't see it with my eyes.
However, when I'm with someone who has just been treated with this light, I see light around them, and they practically glow.
It is common for people to see such light, or auras. I think most people would or could, but we are conditioned from an early age not to notice such things.
I had an experience of a bolt of light that woke me from a gas coma when the pilot light went out in the old oven. The dream was the hand of God suddenly filling my being with this light, and I shot up off the couch where I had passed out.
Strange to remember this. It was the only time I had ever gotten physically angry and violent with my child. I didn't know we were being poisoned.
I screamed at her, threw her in her room with the open window, and slammed the door shut. I left her in there screaming, before I passed out. Thank God.
I was able to move energy more effectively after that. I had almost forgotten. It was a long time ago.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
My goodness, what interesting experiences you have both shared bejoy and Robin - thanks! Most people who have some kind of near death experience end up with a `gift' of some kind, or some heightened sense that is normally `dormant'. Clearly, they are changed by the experience. It's like they briefly connect to what is Beyond, and then bring that connection back with them here in life.....
That was a wonderfully encouraging explanation of your experiences with new techniques, bejoy.
....Found out I can't dowse worth a hoot after spending 45 minutes in Walmart, even if I take a short walk afterward.... probably no explanation necessary on that one...
Sparkle, I despise `exercise' and always have, even before it caused me so much pain. So, since walking is good for my dog and he enjoys it so much, it becomes easier to go walking because it isn't just `exercise' anymore. It's also a chance to become more involved with what's around me - I actually LOOK at things instead of going by with something else on my mind. That is a hard habit to break for me - being oblivious to most of the world. I'm trying to get reconnected.
Actually, I think in my case, doing the Bowel Cleanse would be the first thing necessary. Because everything after that (except the Kidney one) is going to dump stuff that eventually has to pass out through the bowel. So, maybe it depends on where you are weakest as to what should come first?
I sure see a lot of liver toxins coming out when I do the ionic detox foot baths every week. And then I started seeing black granules on the bottom (probably metals).... after taking Hepar-sulph for this crazy sinus issue I kept having (which resolved - yay!)..... turns out that Hepar-sulph is the leading remedy for chronic Mercury toxicity...... interesting, huh? So, I think I ended up working on two problems at once..... I've seen that happen several times with homeopathics - where a remedy helps something other than what I took it for that isn't even listed in the books anywhere. (My homeopath says this, too.)
Well, I'm out of time.... more later. Had an interesting experience I want to share....
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Tracy -- It's obvious you need some help testing. It may not be perfect but you need to start depending on your fellow muskateers. You know one for all and all for one. Using snail mail you could send us samples of your saliva and we could do some of the testing. And you might get some interesting perspectives for what we find.
Maybe if you see clairnotes you could get tested by her personally.
After doing the liver cleanse for awhile, I think you could start there. Just get a better sense in your own body if you can handle it. If your like me, you may need to do 3 or 4 anyways to get all the junk out of the liver. When you get the junk out, you'll be able to move bile into the small intestines and that by itself is cleansing. The bile works all the way to the colon. I still think it a chick and egg comparison of what to do first. You can't fix your your intestines without a healthy bile generating liver and you can't get the liver healthy completely without a perfectly healthy intestines and colon. Just my 2 cents.
Then do the parasite cleanse as your doing other things. By the way, if your going to do the bowel cleanse, find some triphala, can't emphasize enough how great it is. It is remarkably helpful for not only the lungs but the bowel as well not to mention the mouth area. I think its the most powerful herbal remedy I've taken. Take it orally, it is very bitter, but if you can get used to the bitterness, just put the powder in your mouth.
I got to say I've had an unvirtuous moment, I have tremendous envy and jealousy to Robin and Bejoy, to be able to see light as described. What wonderful way to experience energy. Alright, I'll try to be more virtuous, so please forgive me. Thankyou both for sharing those experiences.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I'm sorry you're having problems with dowsing, Tracy. I don't know if there are some alternatives you can try. Oxybabe used to do "automatic writing" because she had trouble dowsing, too. Maybe you could try things to enhance your intuition like meditation? Some people see things in dreams...
Anyway- I think my main issue is some sort of toxins & mycoplasmas. I'm testing NO for Lyme & co-infections.
I was exposed to alot of toxic materials in my life. I studied fine art & sculpture so I was around alot of toxic stuff. I used to do casting in bronze & aluminum, stone carving, painting (many paints have cadmium & lead, etc.), solvents, plus all the jobs I had in darkrooms, printing chemicals, etc. I even had a job with plants & I got poisoned with pesticides... So, it's a lot of "stuff".
I decided to try the NDF plus by BioRay & see how that goes. I took #5 of the mycoplasma set today. While dowsing - I got a YES to use the LightWorks on the 660 setting for pain but not to use it for anything else.
I also ordered some serrapeptase, L-Glutathione Tripeptide (for suppositories) & a product called Liver Life by BioRay. I'm looking into trying to boost my Immunoglobulins - I read colustrum may help...
So, I'm veering off from the homeopathic & infrared light track. If anyone is familiar with homeopathics for detox - please let me know. I just have a "gut' feeling that my body has to deal with it in a "physical" way rather than "energetic"....
I could be wrong, though. Maybe the "energetic" approach will help in the future after I go through some detox?
It is very possible that the infrared light may have ousted the Lyme bacteria & I'm left with mycoplasmas to deal with. Mycoplasmas are very nasty little buggers... from what I've been researching.
Something definitely happened from using the LightWorks. I can't really say for sure if it did reduce the Lyme... seems like it may have.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Sounds like a great plan Sparkle, some things are just physical. Hoping this helps a great deal.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
So to prepare (potentials):
Glutathione/coffee suppositories how often??
Methylation probs address if there
Liver cleanse(s) (im dreading this.. you take a break from antimicrobials, right?)
Liver cleanse will cover gallbladder????
What about colonics? Necessary, helpful, or not all that?
Thank you smart, brave people.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Mycotoxins. Yes, mycotoxins are the biggie in my world this week.
(Other than a mild remaining show of babs, this is what I test for.)
I started treating my whole family for mold, fungus and mycotoxins a few weeks ago. We are all suffering from it, due to some bad flooding mostly ten years ago.
I think this explains one daughter's learning issues, the other one's constant angry outbursts and foul moods, their skin condidtions, my husband's serious sleep disorders, libido issues, sad but true, my continued fatigue, even when the lyme and co's are managed.
So I find it to be no coincidence that once I started treating my husband, he immediately started cleaning out the basement. It was full of rotten moldy things that neither of us had had the energy to move for years. I think the FNG homeopathic gave him strength and resistance, and he suddenly felt that he could.
Now there is mold all over the house from the boxes of books and old photos that he brought up to sort out.
My bad cold is remaining persistent, I can't sleep, I've got inflammation pain again, my face is red, my neck went out bad, my adrenals are shot again, when I was almost off of cortef, and I'm crrrrranky. Don't forget to use your blinker if you see me coming down the road!
I turned a large hepa filter on in my daughter's room at night for the past week. I'm feeling like a pill, but she's accomplishing miraculous feats of math never seen before. More validation.
Also, I got some nasty virulent mold strains introduced into my office by a client last week, and now it makes it very difficult to muscle test or douse in there. I got another hepa filter, and have some serious cleaning to do.
Strange mix of irritation, furious rage, overwhelm at the cleanup prospect, and cathartic relief and joy that there is once again a lighthouse at the end of this dreary illness voyage.
My house is sick. It's been keeping me sick. My family is sick from it too. My husband believes me, and is going to do something about it. For a change it is not just all about me, and not all up to me.
He wants the kids and I to leave town a couple of weeks in the summer, so he can dig the basement out entirely, and seal it up.
I'd put this in a thread of it's own, but really this continues to be about PE-1 and biophotons for me.
I'm going to figure out the following: 1. How to rid my house and office of mold and mycotoxins 2. How to clear my body from mold I'm harboring 3. How to reduce my allergies or sensitivities to yeast, fungals, molds and mycotoxins.
So far my best remedy seems to be PE-1 with DesBio FNG, and Systemic Drainage, and magnesium, C, and oral binders.
I think Brussels has some allergy sensitivity magic going on as well that could be a good contributor.
Any help and advice would be much appreciated.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
re: Sparkle, can you use NDF with amalgams in?
Yes... look at the website. I tested NO for methylation issues.
Sorry to hear about the mold problems, bejoy. We moved from a house that may have been moldy. I don't think that was my problem, though.
I'm still pretty ill here & I think there's less of any mold related stuff.
I took the #5 of the mycoplasma set & it's bringing up alot of old history - if you know what I mean... My eye has been feeling weird & I had a staph infection in it when I was a year old. My lymph is sluggish all along that side of my body & I'm nauseous & fatigued... YUCK.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Bob: Yep, I wish you could send me your dentist, too. Well, maybe. This latest amalgam filling I had replaced in December - the thing is still so sensitive that anything hot or cold feels like a spike is being driven up into my head. I had no sensitivity problems with it before, even when part of the tooth was broken off for over 2 years! I really wish I hadn't let it go - I know now that the exposed filling where the tooth broke away really put some mercury in my system (my brain) that would not have happened otherwise. Well, live and learn - I'll just have to deal with what I have now.
Question Bob: In your opinion, is a `biological' dentist necessary for having this done?
Removing my amalgams before I get my system `ordered' so that I can detox properly could make things worse. Look at all the people who've had this done and felt terrible afterward (and I know one personally). There are reasons why. And remember what Gigi used to say about Mercury..... that is has an inhibitory effect on the bugs, actually helps keep them under control. (Remember: Mercury was a `cure' for Syphilis way back when.) So, when you get rid of the fillings, the bugs can have a field day. I'm just saying...... there is an order to all of this, and doing things in the wrong sequence can set you back. (And I seem to respond well to remedies, which IS surprising, isn't it?)
So, anyway, I just started working on the tooth sensitivity issue with homeopathics about a week ago. The first remedy didn't do anything, and I wasn't surprised since it had been going on so long, but wanted to try it to see. So, I moved to Plan B night before last..... used my pendulum on a couple of remedies..... took the new remedy in low potency and......
HOLY COW! I can barely begin to describe my experience night before last! (That's partly because I was half asleep.) I took the remedy at the wrong time - which was when I was almost asleep. But I had been forgetting to take it for 2 days already, so just went for it...... I feel asleep but was awakened suddenly by this giant wave of energy that swept over me, and I was riding on the `crest' of the wave. It was similar to the `vibrating' I've spoken about before after taking remedies, though this was the STRONGEST yet and I felt more `electrified' than anything. Literally, I felt like I could have levitated right off the bed.
The most striking thing, though, was the PAIN that I was having in my FEET. (Been having some issues with my feet, mostly the L foot - probably Achilles related). Anyway, it was like every pain I'd ever had in my feet was manifesting; like some deranged acupuncturist with giant needles was attacking my feet. I would not have been surprised to see sparks and flashes of light coming out of my tootsies. Sometimes it was a sharp, shooting pain, sometimes piercing, other times cramping clear up into the back of my calf, first the L side, then the heel, then the top of my foot, then the toes...... these various pains just alternated in various spots, like little firecrackers going off inside my feet.
I'm not sure how long this went on, but I just stayed in bed and waited it out. Next thing I know, I woke up the next morning with no residual pain at all. (Thank goodness I'm used to stuff like this by now.)
Last night I took the same remedy (only less of it) much earlier, and I still got the `electrified' feeling for awhile, then felt sleepy, and no crazy pains in my footies.
What does this mean? For starters, sometimes I wonder what would happen to me if I added photons to the mix. At this rate, I might end up in some Alternate Universe or something .
But the fact that I had a `similar aggravation' - worsening of present symptoms - is usually a good sign that good things will happen. So far, no definite changes in either the tooth or the foot/feet problem. But I've had both problems for several months.
Now this remedy (Hecla-lava 6x) is a remedy which can be effective for certain types of neuralgia, so the foot thing may not be that surprising. Earlier, when I dowsed about it for my tooth, I asked if it would do anything for my foot problem and I couldn't get a clear answer. So, I assumed the answer was `no'. We will see. Maybe it will simply open up the channels for a different remedy to work - I've seen that happen many times, too.
BTW, this is a remedy I recently got from India. If anyone is worried that remedies will be destroyed going through the mail or airport scanners, I don't think you need to worry.
This is pretty long so I'll quit here!
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Sparkle, I like what I read about the BioRay products. Yikes, the NDF is expensive but may last a long time. Plus, I like the fact the metals move out more via the urine rather than the bowel - that's a big plus, I think.
Robin, it sounds like you are able to sense what is in our body, which comes out in your dreams...... that's pretty amazing.
Bob and Sparkle, it's true I may end up needing help on the testing front. But I'm just getting started here. I've got to give it more time before I throw in the towel. If I get sufficiently confident, I could maybe send some saliva to one of you `veterans' and compare our answers. (Clairenotes is a LONG way away from me.) Good suggestion about the meditation; I used to do that every day.
BTW, inability to dowse after a Walmart visit was no surprise - some of my friends who aren't sick feel trashed after being in this new Walmart.
Again, I have to be careful about the Liver Cleanse. My colon it not normal. Most people have a colon that looks a bit like a collapsed horseshoe; mine looks like some kind of Chinese wire puzzle. A single seed or nut can block some of the narrow passages. Imagine what a hundred gallstones could do..... This is why I often have to find alternatives to what works for other people.
As I posted in another thread, Triphala was a disaster for me. And didn't you say the herbs in it are `astringent'? Well, that explains it. Anything astringent stops my bowels from working and creates a lot of pain, even something like cranberry juice. Apple juice plugs me right up but loosens up most people. Go figure.
Bejoy, I had 9 `colds' this winter. It seemed like I did nothing else but kick butt on colds. But it worked! Now, if I suddenly start sneezing and get all kind of mucus coming out - my usual cold symptoms - it's just a purge of excess mucus. NO cold happens. I can hardly believe it myself. This has never happened before.
Anyway, some suggestions to kick your cold - the main symptom that MUST be included is the `crankiness' factor - a change in the mental realm from your normal self. These are the most common remedies for irritability with a cold - compare other symptoms you have, of course but see if any test well for you:
BELLADONNA 30C or 200C (alternating red then pale face, stiffness/pain in neck, inflammation issues, furious rages, wants to escape)
BRYONIA 30C or 200C (red face, stiffness/pain in neck, extremely irritable like a `bear')
If those don't seem to fit, then check out: NUX-VOMICA PULSATILLA
Posted by Illinois Gal (Member # 19857) on :
New to the board but I've been reading the posts. I'm considering making the trip to Germany. Did anyone come back cured or is everyone who went still having symptoms from coinfections, etc. How do you know for sure the lyme is gone if you have so many symptoms still. I'm not trying to be negative... I so want this to work. Just have some questions about it. Any info would be greatly appreciated. I've been on antibiotics for 2 years now and am looking for alternative treatments that work. Would those of you who went to Germany go again if given the choice? Do you think it was worth it in regards to the benefits you have received in healing?
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Tracy -- I don't have much time, but want to at least give you an answer about the dentist. And the answer is yes, it is important if you can afford to have them replaced with a biological dentist. But it is important to have them replaced anyways 1 every month (so a long term plan). The problem is your body sacrifices the existence of yeast to protect cell damage from the mercury. So you end up with a constant supply of alcohol in your system, your body has to deal with. So yes there is an energetic issue and an issue in physiology.
Bejoy -- From your post I now think Freddy Krueger from a nightmare on elm street was actually mold. Hopefully you can get that demon taken care of. Sounds like a combination of mold detox and mold removal. I think if you can get some UV oriented lights in the basement it might also help get rid of the mold. I'll try to post a couple of other things I've found to remediate mold in a space you could use in combination.
Posted by heiwalove (Member # 6467) on :
hi illinois gal,
i didn't go to germany but am also considering it as a possibility for the future. as far as i understand the bionic tx is not a cure-all, but most who have gone have experienced immense improvement. they have also purchased machines to take back with them and continue treating the infections with nosodes and photons at home.
hopefully someone with personal experience will speak up here. if not, feel free to post in the bionic 880 thread as well.
best wishes.
Posted by Illinois Gal (Member # 19857) on :
Thanks heiwalove, that makes sense. I'm researching light therapy here in the US too. I will share what I learn with you all.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
NDF has cilantro.. but it says it can be used with amalgams. here is the protocol:
Patients with Amalgams and Other Metals in the Teeth The following are the patient instructions I have used for the last year and a half with patients who still had metals in the teeth, or who could not come in to see me, with no side effects reported....
1. Take whatever is required to produce 2 bowel movements that day. Usually Epsom salts or OxyOxc. Wait 30 minutes.
2. Take one ounce of SunRise (contributes an electro negative charge from fulvic acid, bioavailable nutrition and immune support). Wait 20 minutes.
3. Brush your teeth with 10 drops of NDF and spit it out. Rinse with water and spit that out.
4. Put 3 drops of NDF down the back of your throat (with an eyedropper or syringe), followed by rinsing and spitting with water.
5. Put one-three droppers full (26 drops) of LiverLife into a 10 ounce glass of reverse osmosis or distilled water and drink. Wait 30 minutes.
6. Take 4-6 caps of activated charcoal.
7. Drink 8-10 oz reverse osmosis water every hour until the next urination.
8. After that urination, switch to reverse osmosis, mineral re-fortified water close to a pH 9 or you can add a small amount of Tri Salts to alkalize the water and drink 3 oz at a time whenever thirsty.
9. Prepare your meal, raw, alkaline forming and according to your blood type, in a high powered blender. Chew where you don't have amalgams or drink slowly. (No chewing gum.)
10. Take 1 tablespoon of Pines low temperature barley grass powder twice a day after meals in reverse osmosis, mineral re-fortified or you can add a small amount of Tri Salts to alkalize the water. Wait 30 minutes.
11. Take another 4-6 caps of activated charcoal on an empty stomach.
Gradually raise the dose of NDF to 3 drops twice a day, repeating steps 2-7 for the second dose. After that, the goal is to gradually get to 1-2 droppersful twice a day without provoking a nervous system or healing crisis. If you reach a point where you feel anything other than better, revert to the previous dose.
You may not feel much improvement at first because the dose is rather small at the beginning. The important thing is that it doesn't make you worse.
If NDF only makes you feel worse, switch to NDF-Plus and start with 1 drop, following the same instructions above. If none of this works, come see me. NDF gets to the brain in 20 minutes, NDF-Plus in 5 minutes, so you can find out by trial and error very quickly.
This is intended to reduce the metal burden and strengthen you while you are preparing to get your amalgams out. There will be no complete detox until that is done.''
Thanks, Sparkle.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Tracy- I had a regular dentist do the filling removal. I just did one quadrant at a time. If you instruct a dentist properly - you may be able to just use a regular dentist.
I had some bad experiences with wholistic dentists - so, I don't trust them. Just make sure you instruct the dentist to use a dental dam, have lots of suction, & keep your nose covered by some kind of filter so you don't breathe the mercury vapor. Also, you can take chlorella prior & vit. C after - if I recall correctly... Charcoal is probably good to take, too.
I think there are other things you can do. If you go to a good dentist - they should be able to do it properly. Just go slow & don't have too many removed at one time.
R62 - I used a bobber to dowse in regards to my treatment choices. I also had an Asyra reading about a month or 2 ago.
Some of you may want to check into taking Lauricidin. I always test YES for this... It has many benefits.
Ive deleted several posts. I did a search on the bionic and lyme and ran across several pages on LNE where posters had COPIED posts from here and placed on LNE and then the posts, info were critiqued. Is this allowed?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I don't think our posts are copyrighted. You just have to keep in mind that people will do what they want with anything you post.
I haven't looked at that sight much. I didn't notice a whole lot of information that was useful to me there when I was reading it.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
If I wanted to post there I would. I dont.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Six has her post copied and posted without permission to the board which proceeded to critique. Is this how these boards work?
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
R62 That is not how polite people work on the internet, but some people on lymenet Europe are not polite. They do have a good science section with great info, but I have stopped posting in their medical section. I tried to tell them to knock off their rudeness, but it didn't work.
I say to just ignore (some of them got kicked off this board and they can critique all they want but few are well, so again, I say ignore them).
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
I absolutely agree with hiker, they should be ignored, no matter what information they possess. Being rude should be discouraged, and we don't have to agree with each other.
When they are on boards with anybody using anything alternative, they would bash these people using bullying tactics. It can get to the point where people don't feel free to express themselves openly. Or are afraid to seek support in anything other then what the pack recommends.
I hope some of these people would grow some compassion for their fellow lymies.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Some people are pathological in their need to express anger... They are probably very repressed.
Best to do something more positive with your time than worry about it.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I was shocked and agree.. still I think there should be some rule about not doing that kind of thing. Done.
Posted by lymeparfait (Member # 14268) on :
Like I tell my kids, only post or text things that you wouldn't mind showing up on the front page of the NY Times!
But it is a shock.
I think it's lyme rage!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
NDF plus, I used that for about 2 years, on and off. Strong stuff. You'll need binding support.
I can't answer more as I'm just borrowing this computer.
Another interesting detox that we're doing are vaccination detox (I suppose that by itself woke the borrelia up again for my daughter a bit in the way metal cleansing wakes loads of sleepy critters).
I start to believe that vaccination for some people cause extreme problems to their immune system. Not much my case, not to the extent that my daughter got affected.
Definitively, take the amalgams off. I took them off long ago and I'm still cleaning my genciva from them. This is the main reason I still have one tooth that is sensitive.
If you guys have the money and the expertise, take all root canal teeth off too and replace with the least invasible thing that you can fiind. Clean the jaw from cavitations. I'm reading more and more about it, how these toxins can harm us slowly but surely. Same way as amalgams. slowly but surely they cause disease.
I've seen it on an on, so many critters 'waking up' with mercury chelators.
A cheap tip for mercury chelation is cilantro D3 homemade too. Buy a bottle of good cilantro tincture (I think from the root) and dilute it to D3. Take it with care.
Cilantro tincture by iteslf doesn't go deep in my feeling. Of course, I did normal cilantro cleansing for a long time before I went into the homeopathic dilution. IT reaches muuuch deeper than the tincture, my body doen'st want any tincture anymore.
But again; dangerous thing to do withough proper binders.
Mw liver is working very well again in the last weeks thanks to neural therapy. In fact, it was a blockage on my gall bladder, no the liver.
Robin; as for lymenet europe, there are very few people posting them, many of them were banned from this forum for different reasons in the past (many disturbed this forum and then started to post on LN europe). They are happy to keep on posting there copying pasting things from this forum.
Anothyer thing I'm doing for the cleansing is antibody 'balancing'. Sanum products like Polysans do that for a few pathogens and I felt they acted so deeply that I wondered what would happen if I got a complete 'cleanse' of antibodies. I'm doing that slowly, with a self made 'product' from my saliva. Onlw time will tell. I get really knocked down.
What is great is that somehow the Pandora box stopped to bother me. I'm not fighting any infection for the last 10 days or so. Not a single one. Borrelia 1,000 K seems to have knocked the energy of borrelia left. Let's see for how long...
my daughter was on MMR vaccine nosodes to clean these vaccinations and then yesterday complained of knee pain. I checked, yes, borrelia again. No other coinfection though. So I put her on borrelia 1,000K through photons. The pain is gone again. She's out for the whole day in museums for children here in Brussels.
As for the direct mode of the pE1, sometimes I use pulsed now with nosodes or other homeopathics. About 10% of the time. The rest, I still use direct.
Each homeopathic dilution has a frequency, And even the direct mode has the frequency of the infrareds!! So when we add Nogier pulsiing, we're still adding one more type of pulsing...
I tried activated charcoal, only tested 2 days. It only cleans the organs, GI and liver, but it doesn't seem to clean the matrix.
Chlorella does clean the matrix. Withough a clean matrix, many things won't functoin as the fibroblasts can only transform into the right immune cells there.
gotta go, I'll read this thread calmly when I'm back home.
I hope Sparkle is doing well; and that Tracy gets some success on her penduling!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Forgot to say, nteresting experience from Bejoy
amazing!!
Posted by lymeparfait (Member # 14268) on :
Brussels,
NDF plus binding support? Give us some suggestions! You have a wealth of treatment info!
LP
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Robin, as long as you are posting on a `public forum', your words can go anywhere and be used by anyone. Essentially, you have no `reasonable expectation of privacy'. Sorry.
Hey, thanks for posting the `amalgam' protocol with the NDF. Good grief. I didn't realize you had to go through so much if you had amalgams.... glad to have that info.
About the amalgam removal, thanks Bob and Sparkle. Well, no dam was used when this last filling was replaced..... I found some info on how to protect yourself homeopathically when having amalgams removed, but of course, I didn't FIND that until the deed was already done. (Maybe I should do some of it anyway, even though it's late - can't decide. )Anyway, no biological dentists around here, and until I get the hyper-sensitivity out of this tooth, I won't do any more.
Had to take a one-day detour from my Hecla-lava remedy - I felt like I was coming down with something beginning yesterday afternoon, and I'm not in the mood for that, so I zapped it with a remedy. Feel fine this morning so it seems to have worked.
I really like Selma's idea of low-potency binders and other supplements, but I thought the `bulk' of binders were what made them effective...... so, I find this very intriguing. I might be able to tolerate some of them in homeopathic form....
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
So far you all have put nosodes in clear vials and placed on solar plexus (do you use tape?) and bejoy you tested to put drops under your tongue at times as well?
No one has rubbed the nosode on the body and shined the LED directly on that have they? or rubbed nosode on the solar plexus or somewhere else and used the light on the meridian points?
The liver flush I did was really helpful. My lymph is still feeling a bit sluggish but I'm rebounding & dry brushing. It seemed like the liver flush helped my lymph to drain better. I'm not sure exactly what happened but that's what it felt like.
Alot of my back pain may have been my lymph. I saw a chart of lymph glands & the pain was in the areas of the lymph glands. The chart was just from the front - I don't know if the glands are in the back as well. I'll have to look for more info later.
I'd like to get a lymphatic drainage massage but it's expensive. I probably need alot of them - so, I don't know if 1 or 2 will do the trick. I read there a tea made from cleavers that's supposed to help with lymph drainage. I asked the bobber & it said I didn't need it, though. I do have some Lymphomyosot left.
I think it's a good idea to get the mercury fillings removed. I only have 4 left & no root canals, so it's not as bad as some people. I think it's important to deal with it. You have to do it gradually as to not get too toxic from the removals.
I'll go easy with the NDF Plus. I also got their liver support product. I probably have other toxins that I'm dealing with - not just mercury.
I think Selma did the rubbing on her skin of remedies. I have done the remedies with the LightWorks & under my tongue. I use the bobber & it indicates whether to use orally or with the light.
The mycoplasma remedy set is very strong - so, I'm doing it slowly. The higher dilutions I did with the light but it seems the lower ones I need to take orally.
Looks like a good article - I'll read it later.
Take care!
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
PS - yes, you just use medical tape from the drug store.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Sparkle you might want to consult with your bobber when you need to do your next cleanse. Mine I believe is in 6 months or not for a good long time.
From what I understand liver congestion due to gall stones can cause upper back pain. You probably hit on the reason. Inability of the lymph to drain with a sluggish liver.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks Bob. I'm not sure how the lymph connects with the liver but I'll look into it. I was reading more about thymus & spleen...
It may just be a systemic toxic overload. The mycoplasmas, Lyme residue & environmental toxins may be clogging up my ability to get rid of everything.
Stuff like charcoal or psylium probably doesn't get to the lymph or liver or in between cells, etc. Selma is right about that. I'll have to keep chlorella in mind.
That's why I figured I'd try the NDF Plus. It's not supposed to be as strong as the NDF regular. It works slower - from what I've read. I might consider making a homeopathic remedy out of that if needed...?
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Sparkle -- you might want to consider glutathione suppositories along with the NDF.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
I'm going to re-post warnings and suggestions for using biophotons with nosodes.
For those reading these posts, and going it alone, I want you to have the benefit of other people's experience and mistakes.
This is not medical advice or treatment instructions. It is what I have learned and tell myself, based on my own experience, and on reports from Dr. W.'s protocol:
Use only one or very few nosodes at a time.
Don't use other homeopathics even by mouth within a few hours of a light treatment, unless you want to be treated deeply by them during your session.
Use muscle testing or biotensor, or some sort of energy testing to decide on treatment. Get a kinesiologist or ART practitioner to help you, if possible.
Don't touch any bottles of nosodes, homeopathic products, or any other strong foods or agents of any kind for 15-30 minutes after a light treatment. For homeopathics and nosodes, sometimes longer, up to an hour. If you do, you WILL be treated deeply by them.
Allow yourself to sit and rest alone for at least 20 minutes after a light and nosode treatment, so you won't be exposed to other energies or treatment you are not aware of.
Start slow, as in seconds per location, rather than minutes.
Treat when ALONE, unless the necessity to treat a child who is a family member. Others in the room will be treated by accident.
Don't treat other people with light, especially if you are on homeopathics or nosodes. They may pick up your treatment. Let them treat alone, with specifics chosen for their condition.
Remember that anyone with lyme or chronic illness is layered with health issues. Be prepared that this is not a quick fix. Once a pathogen clears, be ready to address the next pathogen, allergy, or toxicity.
These issues can become acute, and it is best to have an understanding expert, such as a naturopath, who will help you, and be available in case of crisis.
Remember to use drainage (to clear out organs and get fluids moving) and detox to clear out toxic chemicals, and binders, which you swallow to absorb the fall out. Choices are many.
Treatment works best with some kind of allergy treatment. There are many. Some use light, some don't. Brussels has a very good one, I believe, brilliant woman that she is.
Good luck and best wishes for your healing.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
has anyone seen this? What do you think?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks again, bejoy & everyone! This form of therapy is not a quick fix.
I tried the aura patches & it didn't seem to do much. Some nice lady sent me some to try to see what I thought...
Yes, Bob - I ordered some glutathione. It should be here soon.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Thanks sparkle for the info on aura patches, i put it in both threads to get a response. I'll definitely circularly file this one.
Let me know how the glutathione works out for you.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I did my first 200K dilution ever by hand from the knee liquid nosode from my daughter. I did it in 2 days, or I would have spent too long... It took me hours. My daughter used it yesterday with photons. She's symptom free (no knee pain) again... She was symptom free since her 100K dilution.
I think that what woke her lyme was the MMR vaccination detox, in the same way that metal detox can make critters show up. She still has some more detox to do.
After that, I wonder if she won't be showing up more heavy metals, as she never treated heavy metals agressively as I did. She never tested for stronger heavy metal detox agents....
I'm still detoxing metals from my gums but so far, no more Pandora box effect.
I used clay for biofilms for a couple of days, I wonder if that didn't help?? Also activated charcoal for 2 days too. Then they simply stopped testing. And I went back to my normal combo chlrella etc...
I'm really more healthy apparently than most people around me, the ones I used to call healthy. They're fighting pollen infection, coughs, candida infections, hubby is fighting now gout again...
I'm just taking my combo of cleansers and doing some Nogier here and there (specially for the tooth).
But I have absolutely no infection symptoms, nothign tests active, not even a cold for the last 2 weeks.
NDF-Plus knocked me more than any borrelia treatment. It was very strong in the beginning, until it stopped having any effect. I ingested drops of it. If you do a search, you'll find my old posts on them, probably under hardynaka, my old screen name.
Now I'm using cilantro D6 home made for my tooth. I guess my load of metals after 3 years of chlorella and other chelators is now low.
Somehow, I feel the relation between critters and heavy metals was very real. They were probably a big reason for my Pandora box effect, I feel. I don't test for most chelators now, except for this cilantro homeopathic. I used it both ingested, rubbed or with the PE1.
Bejoy is right on caution. Using few nosodes each time with photons. And never ever forget the cleansing homepathics as while you use photons, you'll react much better with homeopathics.
I think some blockages are released with photons and the body gets smarter on reading homeopathic frequencies, ingested or rubbed.
Dr. W. uses basically homeopathics to clean patients while on photons. Plus the ozone for killing other critters that rise.
I know I'm better because I don't need anymore any of the normal cleansing Heel products, no more Sanum products AT ALL, no more even the Ubichinon Citrokehl mix to boost ATP as I craved before.
My daughter though started testing for the magic combo Ubich Citro again after her lyme got active few days ago. I feel the magic mix works well cleaning the cells in an amazing way. I strongly recommend it, this double mix test well for most people suffering from any chronic disease.
I'm kind of trying to keep well and having time to treat things I never really worried much like grey hair, one sensitive tooth, and wondering if I could have healthier nails on my feet.
I found a wonderful site in French though about homeopathy, vaccination cleaning and EMR protection, if anyone is interested I will do a copy paste on it. Cheaper solutions for EMRs protection!
I also found an interesting machine called Quantec, that does radionics. I start to suspect that what AI does is similar or is generated with such a machine. If not this machine exactly, something very similar to it, almost for sure. I just got a book on it.
As for the people worried with GI parasites, for me the KMT worked the best with them. I had loads of sweating on the parasite programs, and felt clearly something being cleaned in my brain. I used the GI parasitic programs on and off during the whole time I was with active lyme.
Parasites are both in the GI and in the brain, as their cycle uses our brain...
As for guys trying to use neuraltherapy, this is very good to solve stuck problems (like when one eye is constantly infected, or a muscle is always in pain, or a knee, or a tooth, etc). It is usually neural therapy that unblocks something and causes the affected area to self heal.
To find where is the point to treat, I only use energetic test. I usually as the 9 MFT points (or EFT points) first, while holding the problematic area. When you find the point, I treat either with procaine or with tapping.
Healing starts almost immediately when you got the right 'trigger' point. If none of the points test, you gotta try to find where is the blockage. It takes longer, but it pays back.
As for binders with NDF-Plus, I have no doubt you need them. NDF, cilantro, zeolite, whatever substance that takes metals off will stirr metals before flushing them away.
No chlorella for me while taking such chelators = danger, REAL danger. Danger of air hunger, of heart problems, high blood pressure, not to say all the GI related problems that arise, days, weeks after taking chelators.
Even photons can move metals, in my experience. Either by killing (bugs liberate heavy metals), or by moving metals by themselves. Appying photons on liver, GI tract or any organ (articulation, for example) can liberate heavy metals according to energetic tests.
Specially because blockages are lifted and then, parts of your body that didn't detox start to detox by themselves.
So photons without binders = certain trouble IF you suffer from severe chronic disease.
Now I can use my PE1 for 15, 30 minutes even, I have no more problem. But I never stop taking binders once a day.
I treat many people around me, with homeopathics, with nosodes, with PE1, I do remedies every day, I deal with these remedy frequencies every day and it's no problem anymore.
But I was extremely sensitve just a few months ago... When I started this thread, I was very vunerable to photons. Now I feel I have a sort of barrier of protection around me. I guess I'm just healthier, that's all.
I am also using home made products based on my own saliva information. Each person will test for different products. I am doing a second round of saliva product, and will be going to the third round soon. Not every person reacts the same way though, but I got knocked down with my second sample...
Children seem to have no bad reaction, except that they are able after to eat most things that they were allergic before. Even milk, my daughter is now taking cow milk without any problem. Even shrimp!
I still though had no case of wheat allergy healing because I know no one with wheat allergy. If anyone with wheat/gluten allergy is willing to try, I'm ready to do the product for free to try to address this allergy, that I know is one of the most difficult allergies to heal. Contact me in PM.
Funny that when we change, our saliva changes, and then I can't use the older saliva anymore as base. The saliva contains information of antibodies, from allergies, from critter antibodies, and it seems, hormones. It is a wonderful source for healing or balancing.
It can't though kill borrelia! For that I'm still trusting the PE1 + nosodes!!
Homeopathic NDF seems not to work. I tested that before. You gotta take the real drops! Be ready for being knocked down. If nothing happens, great, but if it does, just be ready.
I got twice awful experiences while metal detoxing, maybe 3 times. Once with NDF plus, the other with Phospholipid Exchange, then another by itself (self healing, I just got an explosion of metals being flushed out, incredible pain from my knee). Chlorella saved me in most cases. Another life savior was MSM in powder, when chlorella itself couldn't hold. Bitter awful taste, but I ate that like sugar, in big full spoons, so much I needed it.
My parsley tincture is getting now good, it seems to help the kidney. My favorite for the kidney until now is still bear garlic D1, home made, but I will see if parsley tincture will test good for as long as bear garlic tests.
As for electrolytes home made, i use himalayan salt in a glass bottle, just a bit until I feel the water a tiny bit salty. I sucuss the bottle about 100 times and take it with herbs or by itself during the day, about once or twice a day. Electrolytes are extremely important for detoxing.
And never forget enzymes, they do too many things to describe here, from probable biofilm destruction, to balancing the flora, to detox, killing, performing many chemical reactions, digstion etc. Healthy people need enzymes, sick people will take much longer to heal without good enzymes.
Now I chose to remain on Rechtsregulat on a D1 dilution. It takes ages to finish one single bottle, my whole family is on it. Anyone doing energetic tests can see it tests as good as undiluted product. One bottle makes at least 10 bottles on that dilution. And we need only a few drops as D1 is a homeopathic dilution, while on the undiluted product you need 10-15 ml a day.
I don't know how are other people on photons doing, but what I find crazy is that my food intake fell drastically. I don't need to eat any intermediary snacks anymore. I do pretty well even if I skip a whole meal, while before I would just collapse. I know it has to do with photons as the change was too fast.
Today I had breakfast early, we drove the whole way back home. I had a small sandwich at 13, and was not hungry until 19hs. I ate my dinner, but could have skipped it without much drama. Photons are amazing!!
i'll get back to this thread later and try to read what I lost during these 2 weeks!
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
The NDF-plus looks like a good product, but my doc told me my kidney is a weak link so I need to focus metal elimination via fecal route. Sucks with the leaky gut, but hopefully the progurt is addressing that as I go along.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Great to hear such progress with you and your daughter Brussels! Very inspiring for all of us going the energetic route.
btw, I don't recall if you or your family used AI. If so, did you find an allergy treatment that surpasses it? I will PM you if that is the case.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Selma, thanks so much for all the great info!
I'm having a great deal of pain in my back. I just got the NDF plus & a liver support product from the same company. I'm going to go very slow with it.
Thanks for the warning, Selma. I haven't started it but I'll keep everyone posted. Sounds like very strong stuff.
I'm going to be working with the glutathione & serrapeptase - when it arrives, too.
At this point, I have a feeling that it's the toxins that are causing me all of the problems. I don't think my body is detoxing well.
I had my menstrual period & it was very bad. Lots of pain. I think the liver flush stirred up alot of stuff & it was released via my menstrual period. (Sorry to be so graphic - guys...).
It's good in a way since I think it's got to get out somehow - it's just difficult. I don't think I am dealing with pathogens - I just think it's the toxins at this point. I'm not sure which is worse.
I did use the LightWorks for a bit on my back & pelvic area today. I had to do something & my dowsing said it should be OK.
I recently found out that natropathic physicians are actually illegal in the state I'm living in.... They can be fined & put in jail here... I think there are a few around but they are very quiet about it.
Kind of bizarre.... This is all great info you are all posting. Thanks very much. Especially for the people in places like this state where they may not be able to find help with all of this.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Are you sure it's naturopathic physicians with or without a license? Many claim to be naturopaths without any certification whatsoever
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
They do not give naturopathic doctors licenses in this state...
US states which specifically prohibit the practice of naturopathy: South Carolina,[44][43] and Tennessee.[45][43]
also -
In Tennessee and in South Carolina, the practice of naturopathy is illegal.
Tennessee law, for example, provides that the practice of naturopathy is a Class B misdemeanor, but renders this prohibition inapplicable to "persons who comply with the regulatory laws of the state with respect to the practice of the various healing arts."
Without a similar textual qualification, however, a South Carolina statute prohibits the practice of naturopathy and subjects offenders to a fine not to exceed $500 or imprisonment for a period not exceeding one year, or both.
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It seems pretty weird since they do studies on alternative medicine at the university here... It may improve the economy here if they got up to speed on some of the newer techniques in naturopathic medicine. They could actually have medical tourism coming here if they modernized their view on this subject.
What do I know...? I don't have a PhD...
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
what about chiros? Many of them practice similar to NDs out here on the west coast
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Sorry to ask... Sparkle and Bob.. did you do the basic hulda clark liver cleanse?
I'm hurting again.. spot up under ribs. Last time doc gave me a slew of unda drops that helped. When this happens that band across upper abdomen is sore and esp spot to right of upper middle abdomen near right rib cage. Tummy area usually gets sore feeling as well. I'm guseeing its the liver.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Not necessarily. Can easily be gallbladder when it's under right ribs. I have this issue and need to do the cleanse too
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Liver almost always needs milk thistle. Many Chinese herbs also help (I'm pretty sure 1st chinese can propose a few liver detox herbs).
Chlorella helps too. I also add some cilantro drops rubbed on the liver + gall bladder, I find that cilantro X6 works even better than tincture. It probably helps moving toxins and heavy metals that get stuck there, I feel. The relief is almost immediate.
A friend of mine with lyme has bought rain tree liver herbs, it is helping her. They tested very good for her.
For gall bladder, I find that lemon works too. Taken a bit many times a day. There was a recipy here with lemon and flaxseed oil (if my memory is good?) that worked well for my gall bladder too.
Best of all though are homeopathics on LM potencies, energetically tested for each organ. That was what my lyme doctor did for me. It saved me lots of trouble.
To try to pull more toxins from the skin, I find jojoba oil helps, when rubbed on belly, kidney area, then on soles. When in doubt, rub on the whole body, it is VERY relaxing. I usually did that before bed time.
I just read recently that the Ayurvedic naturopaths propose to do a oil cleaning ingesting ghee butter and rubbing oils on the skin. The detox recipy had also cilantro in powder (so from seeds) and loads of fresh cilantro. If eating lots of ghee though, they don't recommend any oily food or animal protein in the same day.
I didn't know about that Ayurvedic recipy, but when I was feeling toxic, I craved oils, specially butter. Oils 'attach' to pesticides, heavy metals, dioxines and God knows what more.
I suppose that is the reason why so many lymes crave for eggs and oily foods. I did.
Recently, I tested energetically ghee butter and it did come as helping to clean heavy metals. I wouldn't take it though if I were in trouble with gall bladder, as this is pure oil! The gall bladder would be overcharged, I suppose?
MSM will help the liver like glutahtione, I suppose (I never tried glutathione), and is powerful to detox without 'stirring' toxins, in my experience.
If you build a good detox program and keep changing it every two weeks or so (because your body changes), addressing lymph, liver + gall bladder, GI tract, kidneys and possibly detoxing through skin, nothing can stop progress, in my opinion.
One can kill without pause and without feeling toxic, the days can go almost normal, almost as though one is not sick, when proper detoxing goes on. It is more an art than science though.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Joey, no I didn't do AI and I feel I won't do it, not for the moment at least. I'm working with my own saliva products and they 'test' energetically better than AI for the moment.
I think I know how the AI products are generated as I found quite a few references of products here in Germany and Switzerland using radionics and frequency imprints. I suppose the Asyra is not that different.
If I 'test' one day for AI, I will let you know. For the moment, no one at home tests for it.
As for how to do your own homeopathics, google or read my old posts. I think Truthfinder did some posts on that too.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Sparkle (and Joey!), as for parasites, never think you don't have these... They grow when the immune system is weak.
Same for candida and mucor. No way, a chronic lyme sufferer will be a good candidate to get these infections, parasites included.
Symptoms are just so similar with lyme, or lyme co-infections, candidal infections and other microbes. Like brain fog, for me, it's a symptom number one for parasites....
Never say never, that is my rule after having got lyme.
I never thought I was going to have troubles in most of my organs, but during lyme, I had troubles with almost everything, from teeth, sinus, brain, many hormones/glands, blood circulation, lungs, ear, eyes, heart, liver, gall bladder, kidney, GI tract, lymph, pancreas, most articulations, then muscles... even my skin, it got much worse during lyme, with loads of infections...
Same for cavitations. I start to believe this is MUCH more common than what people think.
I also realize that my nails are weaker than before lyme too. And only now I have time and patience to try to solve the problem of grey hair, now I got almost all my hair grey while before lyme, I rarely needed to paint.
so no way, lyme affected every single part of my body, from hair to toe nails. Parasites were just one tiny part of the picture.
I do feel that one doesn't need to buy a KMT to kill parasites, as they do test on and off (I think I never used it for more than a few weeks a year for GI parasites).
I could borrow mine the first time from my naturopath. I'm sure that there must be other ways than buying.
I have the general impression that most people using the KMT didn't have much trouble with GI parasites. Somehow, these eletromagenetic frequencies seem to work well with larger parasites (while photons work better with smaller critters?). I'm sure people using Rife would have an opinion on that.
The advantage of the KMT is that you run one program and get dozens of parasites at once. With Rife, you need to find the frequency of each parasite first, and attack one by one...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Photons + nosodes: Kill or neutralize?
I suppose the answer for me is: - lower dilutions, up to 60D help the body kill, provoke clear herxes (for active infection or/and acute infection)
- 100D, 200D somehow like above, but test when infection is less active, less feeling like 'acute' if you understand what I mean. ONe may herx but less intensely than with lower dilutions.
- higher than 200D, for example, like 30K (or 30C), 200K, 1,000K (or 1000C): almost no symptom is felt then (or very few symptoms), it acts more on the energetic field, almost imperceptible herxes.
when you reach like needing ONLY 1,000K, you don't really feel sick anymore and wonder if you still have lyme. So that is what I suppose dr. W. was talking about neutralizing borrelia?
If you still test for 30K and 200K though, symptoms may arise if you don't treat.
That is based on my and my daughter's experiences.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I wrote somewhere above I used cilantro D3 but it was a mistake, it was cilantro D6 that I use.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
R62 -- that's just to the right under the rib is a liver or gall bladder or both screaming for help. Yes, I had the same pain and did the hulda clark liver cleanse. I haven't had it since so I believe it did take care of that problem. But I had to do it more then once, 3 times in fact to get all of it out. I'll probably do one every 6 months from now on.
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
Parasites and RIFE!
Selma I am speaking from the exsperince of a person that did not know IF would wake up ALIVE .
I have used KMT at MY llmd `s office.But did not feel much of diference as that happened right after I have done major parasites cleansing as that is what I thougth I have even though my PCP and colonoscopy and endoscopy showed NOTHING as always happens in every LYME patient!!
My rife was screaming on every frequency in 2006 cleansing stoped in JANUARY when finaly found SELF diagnosed LYME and coinfecitons ( june) .I have used RIFE on many pathogens and parasites before.YES you need to take one frequency at a time but you address the parasites that you really know.
I actually ask for which pathogen is first to be dealt with , how many frequencies at that time and which one is the most beneficial from a long list of them that are listed on CAFLS list.
The RIFE helps reaches the brain and helps a lot.But you still need to take things internally based on HULDAS protocoll..and add other herbs if you wants.The best is to be on JUICING while doing the PROTOCOLL as it eradicates more.
The work on same almost principles..and if YOU are in JUICING reaches the GUT as WELL.Have had results myself and is very easy to use.NO brainer !
When I still did not know about lyme.I hooked up the wires atached to a alumin foil and a paper towel wet on top of it so I did not have to touch the alumin foil and run the AUTOZAPPER .
But RIFE does way much more than KMT in my opinion.Is great to have them all as I am sure that KMT can be used for other things as well but I would choose a rife before an KMT.I still use it on some frequencies even yet.
Also no matter what testing I do or I have done to my llmd...if I run the frequencies and MY MACHINE does not sing it is clearly a sign that is not active ..the lamps also do not turn PINK but stay BLUE or light pink.
That is also a teller for me that the infections IS NOT THAT OF ACTIVE and CAUSING the SYMTOMS .So for ME THIS TELLS a lot.I still use it IF I get that I have benefits from it.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Great info, Selma. Thank you!
For beginners like me..
30D is the same as 30X, 200D same as 200X?
Bob.. thank you. Three in a row or one every month for three months?
Unda drops 234 and a group containing I think 256 helped, but I think I need to get down to the problem.. this happened after my mepron, biaxin treatment when my gut fell apart.
I've been a little terrified of doing this.. expecting a large stone I cant pass, but thats just not comnon, right?:-)
Anyone found a need for oxygen therapies? I have been feeling low oxygen and last IV myers, glut, my blood pooled back into tube and it was scarily dark red.
Lastly, are you all testing for homeopathics based on having the bottle in hand or do you have test kits?
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Alv, what kind of rife do you use? I have a KMT that came damagd and is being replaced. I hope it is worth the money.. I hope it also gets protoza well.
The KMT has setting for meridian balance, lymph drainage, pain and other similar settings. I wonder if it is more of a zapper like tens machine.
KMT energetically tested better for my children and for me, thus I purchased it... months ago.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Alv, thanks for the great info.
The big disadvantage of the KMT is the time that it takes to use each program. Rife is so fast and you can treat many people in a day, while the KMT, only one person can use at a time.
I guess you are right on power, that Rife should work 'better' or faster as this is not microcurrent.
I start to feel that there are somehow two types of people: the ones that need strong treatments to get results, and the ones that need gentler treatments to get results.
I'm clearly not the first type. I never had big trouble to find good killers, nor my daughter (except for FSME though), but I have MUUUCH more trouble in finding balancing and cleansing therapies.
Other people need loads of killers in great amounts to get any improvements.
So for me, no way, I chose the KMT to Rife. It was easy to use, it did some lymph drainage, it usually calmed me almost immediately...
When you connect yourself to the programs, you'll see that it doesn't start with killing (by energetic tests), but probably starts on moving the lymph, only then it adds killing/ neutralizing frequencies of pathogens.
For what I read about Rife, herxes can be horrible and I'm more afraid of herxes than of parasites.
With the KMT, when I start to feel I'm getting toxic, I just stopped it and continued next day.
But each person is different and I'm glad that Rife exists as it does seem to help thousands of people!!
Scott has both a Rife and a KMT and he prefers his KMT though.
I suppose another main difference is that you see an immediate result with Rife (like a specific parasite being erradicated, at least for a few hours or days), while with the KMT, things take more time (as it only stops reproduction, but doesn't exactly kill if I understood well).
The KMT sounds to me better with small kids too. But of course, if I hadn't got the results I wanted, I was going to be still searching for other solutions!
Great tip on zappers too. Thanks a lot!!! I never used them, but they always make me curious.
Could you also post the link about the list of Rife frequencies you said above? Just out of curiosity and to get a whole list of pathogens too. I can then compare with the KMT!!
Thanks.
A last question: do you also feel that Rife works better with parasites (larger critters), while photons work better with microbes (smaller critters)???
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
R62 once every two weeks is probably best. If you feel comfortable you can base your decision on when based on enegetic testing. As far as size of the stones. They are not truly stones like, stones you find on the ground. There more lime green and gushy. If you let them sit for a while the shrivel up like a raisin.
My first cleanse I had stones the size of large green grapes. By the last cleanse, I had about 20 about 1/2 the size of a pea. I energetically test not to need a cleanse for a good long time (like every 6 months). The cleanse was certainly necessary for me. I suspected I had liver issues for some time. The cleanse confirmed it, but I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Thanks, Bob.:-)
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I'm having very bad back pain & it sounds like I have some sort of liver problem... judging from what I read on other websites.
I took 1 drop & then 3 drops later in the day of the BioRay Liver Life & it pushed me over the edge. I had a very painful menstrual period. The Liver Life really did it to make things worse - a few days later.
I don't blame the products but I think I'm dealing with some serious liver issues. I'm not exactly sure of the cause. I've been taking pain killers for years now - so, it might be that...?
My back pain was so bad I couldn't walk or get up. I think the BioRay is a good product but I'm not sure I'm ready for it. I may need something less extreme to start off.
Any suggestions? I read that Selma was doing well with cilantro tincture in homeopathic form... I get confused with the dilutions. I'm not sure how to translate D to X or C, L, LM, etc.
I think there was a chart someone posted. Can you clarify, Selma? I just want to make sure we're on the same page with the dilutions.
After doing the liver flush - I felt pressure in my abdomen. I didn't pass many stones. Mainly small ones & not alot.
When I got my period, though, the blood was very dark towards the end. Sometimes toxins can be eliminated via the menstrual period... So, something is happening but I'm not sure what.
My liver definitely needs some work, though.
m0joey- I could check into some chiropractors. There are people here & there but they keep it a bit quiet - for obvious reasons.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Sparkle -- it sounds like you still have a lot of stones inside the liver. On the thread carrying the instructions, it mentioned when you do the first cleanse many of the stones in the back of the liver move forward. It's possible you've move new stones back into the gall bladder. And there stuck again. You can do the cleanse every two weeks until the liver is clear. I've done it 3 times and I think it is finally clear of all stones.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
sparkle--sounds like you need hardcore detox. are you doing the epsom salt/EDTA/hydrogen peroxide/apple cider vinegar baths too??
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks guys! I posted on a thread at Curezone about this... Seems the way out is through.
It seems that this sort of thing happens as part of the process. I just wasn't expecting it. It happened about 10 days after the flush. I was going to start NDF Plus & their liver support product but it may be too extreme at the moment.
I have done baths with Epsom salt. I may want to try the other ingredients but the EDTA may be to much at the moment. I've done epsom salt with hydrogen peroxide & baking soda in the past.
I actually tried this stuff called magnesium gel with Luwang oil & it helped. It's nice stuff & it was better than the plain magnesium oil.
I'm kind of afraid of doing another flush right now... What do you think, Bob? Some people at Curezone say - you just have to have faith that it will work. Some women there say that it gets better especially with the menstrual issues, etc.
I really feel I'm on target but it's just hard being incompasitated (spelling?) like this. It's very painful. In some weird ways I actually feel better... go figure?
Thanks for all of your help! Big kiss...
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
PS - I hope you don't think all of this is hyjacking your thread, Selma.
I don't think the killing is as bad as the detox. I think people may be putting too much emphasis on killing as opposed to support & detox. This is just my experience, though.
I think I did alot of killing with just the LightWorks - no nosodes. Getting it out through my liver - is another story.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Sparkle, back pain could be kidney problem too. Are you taking something for your kidneys?
You are certainly right. Too much stress on killing is not what all of us can stand. Repeating again, I find killing easy compared to detoxing. For detoxing, the work is about 5 times more difficult as you got to find the right remedy(or remedies) for each detoxing organ (liver + gall bladder, kidney, lymph, GI tract, sometimes skin, sometimes lungs too....).
X= D. X is used in the US, D here in Europe.
If using cilantro in any form, do it only rubbed at first. You gotta add alcohol to make it go deeper when rubbed according to my homeopath.
If you ingest cilantro, in the way you are now, is no good idea as you'll be moving more toxins away. When you rub the detoxing organs (liver, gall bladder, pancreas, kidney, whatever is in trouble, at least it will be more 'constrained').
I mean, that is my feeling. At least, when you rub on your liver, for example, you'll help the liver get better as you move toxins away from it, and the liver can work better after. But if you ingest cilantro, you'll put more stress all over, liver included. You can do that when you get better!
Crossing fingers for you, Sparkle.
Another thing to look into is reflexology, but do with care and drink lots of water. The foot point for the liver is right side, a bit under the two last smallest toes. If you feel pain or feel the point is hard, that is where the trouble is.
But don't massage a lot in the beginning, only gently. Increase time (like from 1 minute, to 2 minutes... ) until you reach 15 minutes 2x day. You can also increase strength slowly, with the back of a pencil, for example, to get more strength. But only after a few days. Or to step on river round stones is another way... In the first days, do only with the fingers.
If you want to check if the problem is in the kidney though, you have to find the kidney point in reflexology too. It's more or less in the middle of the feet, both right and left feet (= right and left kidney). Lots of pain or hardness = trouble. But with kidney, don't do much as you can't drink too much water (or you'll stress the kidney, according to a reflexologist I knew...).
But it's good to check where the trouble is. Back pain for me is more often kidney trouble, but I guess when the liver + gall bladder is in big trouble, you may have pain on the back too?
Good luck, Sparkle!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
My daughter is having a relapse, for sure.
In Belgium, first I didn't have the right cables to use the PE1, so I didn't use for a whole one week. For me, it was fine, as I do think I'm out of lyme for the moment. But for her, it was not good.
Second problem, I didn't take any of the borrelia D potencies with me, because I thought she was over it. Not from borrelia, nor from her knee nosodes. I only took the highest K dilutions.
I didn't test her every day either, as she was so well. She ate bad (too much sugar, too much white flower, no more organic, we ate in restaurants almost every day etc...). The aunty was giving her sweet drinks (syrups with fruits) in the morning. I didn't give her the cleansing herbs every day either.
I treated her for MMR vaccinations and gave her the borrelia 1,000K ingested (very high potency).
After that, she started getting pain on her knee again. Nothing too bad, but that for me was an alarm. This was in the second week. I tested the K potencies borrelia and knee nosodes, nothing tested. So I didn't do the nosode + photon treatment with her.
We came back home, she is having some knee pain every evening, but during the day, she's fine, playing outside the whole day. Yesterday I kept asking 'borrelia?' and getting yes, yes.... Still didn't find the right nosodes though.
I decided to test the D potencies today in the morning and got a yes. Even for the borrelia antibodies...... I'm a bit discouraged again.
We gotta re-start again then. She took two of my borrelia antibodies nosodes, the highest I have here (30D and 60D). I'll add borrelia D nosodes tomorrow. She's starting again from 15D, which is very very low. Meaning, active infection again.
I tested rickettsia for her, got a yes. Chamydia, another yes... Well, then I stopped testing... I know what it means. It's borrelia fully back!
I'm writing that not to discourage you guys. I'm well, really, nothing is testing, I'm on other treatments (trying to balance hormones, trying to take my root canals away for good)... So it's only my daughter. She's not back to stage 1, but she's back again to active infection.
I guess my mistake was to have forgotten to take the right cables from the PE1 and then interrupt suddenly photon treatment in the middle, to have let her go into bad diet while she was still in treatment and to have let my D potencies in Switzerland.
Living and learning. I hope that tomorrow my mood will be better.
Hugs to you all. I hope Bejoy and Sparkle will also get better soon.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks Selma! I'm going to try making some cilantro tea to apply to my back. It may be better to try this rather than a tincture since it's less strong...? I'll add some alcohol to get it to absorb & do a compress.
I've also been looking into reflexology.
I know traveling can be stressful & eating holiday or food you don't cook is all part of life... My partner can't cook so when I'm really ill - he brings me all kinds of things. Down here in the south - it's like junk food heaven.
There are some great health food stores & farmer's markets but junk food is everywhere. They put fake butter on everything & it's really yucky.
Anyway, I found this post on Curezone which made alot of sense to me.
You're right about the liver playing an integral part with estrogen and ovulation. Keeping that in mind, here's something you might want to know:
The innervation for your female reproductive organs are in your lower back. Irritation or pain in the organs often results in lower back pain. I've seen this a lot in female clients.
Also, innervation for your liver is midback. And, of course, the entire spine is interrelated. When I began flushing out gallstones, the structure of my spine changed immensely, and I had to see a chiropractor for relief. Since then, I make it a habit to get an adjustment after each flush.
If you think about the way your body is put together... think about the space those Gallstones were occupying, and the pressure that put on the liver and surrounding organs and tissues. Then, think about the pressure that may have put on the spine, etc, etc. The body is a whole, and when doing these Liver Flushes , it has to be viewed that way... or the results and changes can seem pretty baffling.
Personally, I did experience more clotting, and after the first 10 flushes or so, my lower back started going out. It didn't just hurt... it went out, and I couldn't sit or stand on my own accord. What I discovered was that after years of having those gallstones in there, affecting the functioning of my liver and hormone production... my reproductive system had been greatly affected by it. When I released the stones, the reproductive system had to make some changes, too. I was worried for awhile, but I kept flushing in good faith, and I can say that now... I have the most painless periods I've ever had (and the mood swings are greatly improved, as well.)
My point is... when you make a change in your body like this, it is going to take some time for everything else to readjust. The body is a self-healer, and healing takes time. There's nothing wrong with getting some extra help-- like a chiropractor, massage therapist, or whatever. You definitely could talk to your doctor, but unfortunately... most doctors don't believe the liver flush works, and don't view the body as a whole. You could end up with more problems going that route (speaking from experience.)
Mainly, you just have to be patient and trust the process. This liver flush is powerful... it will make changes in the body, but it will do it the way nature intended it... not the way modern medicine does it. It may sound strange... but I'd have to say that you back pain and clotting are a GOOD SIGN... a very good sign that you really needed the liver flush. Keep flushing!
Best of luck!
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I do feel like I'm getting better but this back issue is bad... It may actually have to do with reproductive organs, as well.
I just have to take care of it & see where it will lead me. It may be a major shift. I felt many things change after the liver flush - so, I think it's going in the right direction even though I'm feeling pretty bad now.
Something had to be done to get the liver functioning properly. I don't know if "stones" are the issue but at least I found an area that needs support in order to get well.
They don't really tell you this when you see most doctors...
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Selma -- sorry to hear about your daughter relapsing. Hopefully she'll be better soon and bejoy too.
Sparkle, I have the sense you should do another flush, just my intuition. You still have stones, I think if you put your hand on your liver and free your mind and meditate on it, you'll have your answer.
I thought the write up was very good. If you choose to do another cleanse, it might be helpful for your significant other to give you a few good messages. Especially if he wants something good to eat beyond junk food.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
She's not testing for borrelia nor coinfections since borrelia ANTIBODY treatment yesterday.
First day without pain in the evening (yesterday), let's see how she goes today.
She's got candida parapsilosis for the first time now though.
Ricketsia and chlamydia stopped testing without being addressed...
Guess I over reacted. I hope things will get back in track soon.
Thanks Bob!
And good luck in your findings Sparkle!
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Selma, are you using a test kit to test or do you have nosodes for all the pathogens? Thank you for your updates.
Sparkle.. hang in there. You are a strong and inspiring person. Would castor oil compress help?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Robin, I use both slides from dr. K. (I guess they are sort of photos from pathogens, but we see nothing on them, just a few colors), and homeopathic dilutions with pathogens, the nosodes used for TEST-only purposes.
These nosodes are found in Germany, Stauphen Pharma or Meripharm, they have slightly different strains.
I can also test using the remedies to heal, not only testing nosodes.
Testing nosodes can be used to heal, even though their dilutions are made to find out the problem, not to treat, in fact.
Example, for borrelia and most pathogens, we usually use the D6 dilution in normal test kits. For certain tuberculosis strains (like from a person I tested yesterday) they use a D30 though!
I think they define the potencies based on practice (EAV or muscle test). Germany is very advanced on such energy medicine and I trust their dilutions.
Having said that, in Belgium, I tested a woman whom I thought didn't have borrelia (I had tested her with the slides and with the D6 nosodes quite a few times before, she always tested negative).
She's a chronic sufferer, more than 30 years of poly arthritis. I knew it was infectious, but didn't know it was borrelia all the way because these two testing materials were giving me a negative.
Well, I tested her for the other D dilutions (from 6D to 200D), the ones that dr. W. uses. Bingo. She tests only for higher dilutions, about 100D, 200D.
It means, in my head, that her infection is not that bad (but it is chronic), but not that active as it was for me or daughter or people with clear lyme symptoms. It's amazing she doesn't develop further symptoms until now, for more than 30 years!!!
She's EXTREMELY energetic and is reaching 70.
Of course she doesn't believe it's borrelia. She won't get any treatment for that due to her beliefs. But that's another issue!
Another way to find an infection of borrelia is through antibody testing. These nosodes are also available through Meripharm. The person in charge there told me that sometimes even the borrelia 200D doesn't test, but some people test for the antibodies of borrelia. They have a series of 5 or 6 dilutions there, until D60.
That is why they are selling these antibody dilutions now, to help practioners identify some hidden cases of lyme, he told me.
I'm treating my daughter with the D30 and D60. She was testing for almost all other D dilutions (not antibodies) too. When I ask 'priority', her body tells me 'antibody', NOT borrelia nosodes.
So I treated her with the antibodies only. Another bingo! Now nothing tests, it's the 3rd day, not a single co-infection shows up, neither borrelia. She's not testing for any of the borrelia dilutions, even the highest I have, 1,000K.
I'm only giving her now through mouth two Sanum products, for candida parapsilosis and L-forms of candida. No pain in her knee for 3 days now.
I suspect her vaccination detox woke borrelia up, but it's great to know that she's NOT back to stage 1 or 2 of treatment as I initially thought. I hope, at least!
Another good way to see if someone has active lyme is to test your favorite borrelia killer. For us, it's with no doubt cats claw, whole herbin tincture, that will test more often.
I always keep cats claw somewhere easy to reach. It was cats claw testing 3 mornings ago that made me immediately think of active borrelia for my daughter. That is when I decided to go test the lower dilutions of borrelia nosodes and found a very active infection.
Now cats claw stopped testing again. It ALWAYS stops testing immediately after photons + nosodes.
A last way to test is with liquids imprinted with pathogen frequency. I'm sure the Rife people could provide/ sell these frequencies in water for testing purposes.
I test with the imprinted water from the KMT (that uses microcurrent). If program 3 tests, I know I have GI parasites. If program 4 tests, I know I have brain parasites or infection. If 5, mycoplasma strains, and so on.
I hope this gives you an idea.
After you get to 'know' your materials very well, you don't need the real materials in front of you. I'm sure Bejoy agrees with me as she told the same for her flower essences.
Once you know your materials well, you just need to think about them and you get good answers just by thinking. But the best though is still to have something with some 'real' biological/EMR information / energetic information inside(nosodes, frequency water, slides).
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks Selma! It's great you are posting all of this info for everyone here.
I tried the castor oil pack & the cilantro tea for my back/liver problem. The cilantro worked much better! I'm going to continue with it.
I just made a tea with some fresh cilantro & added some rubbing alcohol. I used it on a washcloth under the heating pad (with some plastic in between).
I could say I had a 30% decrease in pain from it!
I really haven't gotten to fine tuning with all the homeopathic remedies. I think I have to address more physical areas of detox. After the liver flush - it's pretty evident I have toxins in my liver.
I really felt different after the liver flush but I'm thinking it may have been too severe for me. I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to get toxins out of the liver in a more gentle manner...?
I bought the Liver Life product from BioRay & I'm testing to just use 1 drop. I asked if I should make it into a homeopathic remedy & it said no.
I haven't been dealing with much else since the back pain has been very bad & I'm having trouble doing much. It has been a good indicator to me to see how far it's been damaged, though.
I'm not sure it's a gall stone issue, either. I think it may be other toxins or mercury from having fillings since I was a child. I think it may have been the cause of bad menstrual cramps for most of my life but I'm not 100%.
I'm going to have to research it further.
I don't think I have alot of pathogens - for me it may be mostly a detox issue. I have been exposed to alot of toxic stuff. I'll have to get through this liver/back thing to proceed...
My feeling is that I have to get my liver (and probably lymph) functioning well to proceed with energetic therapies. The toxins or pathogens need a way to get out of my body.
I'm not sure how my kidneys are doing but I haven't noticed anything overt from them. I may have to consider that but I don't know for sure.
I haven't done alot of energetic testing but I'll get back to it to find answers soon...
Thanks everyone for posting!
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
I was about to do the gallbladder flush today, but read that the instructions say way until 3 weeks of parasite killing are over.
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
Bob--- I have a question about the Triphala--- It contains Tannins. Tannins can be toxic.
Is the Triphala toxic, or why not?
But then, coffee, tea, and chocolate contain tannins; but tannins can cause liver damage; so what are the missing details?
Thanks, from pamois.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Pamois,
This is a toxicity study from a link I'll post below.
quote: Toxicity study No signs of toxicity were observed in short-term analysis but mortality was seen in long-term study at the dose of 5000 mg/kg. The data collected for individual animals is presented in Table 4. Triphala aqueous and alcohol extract (50-1500 mg/ml)/Triphala Mashi aqueous and alcohol extract (50-1500 mg/ml). Escherichia coli (2443/2378/2381)/Klebsiella (2438/2384)/Pseudomas (2379/2444)/Staphylococcus aureus (2401/2445/2447).
The dosage was about 2 teaspoons a day. It is better to just take one teaspoon. Toxicity to the liver is assessed again in the following:
quote: The site(s) and number of hydroxyl groups on and the phenol group are thought to be related to their relative toxicity to microorganisms, with evidence that increased hydroxylation results in increased toxicity. In addition, some authors have found that more highly oxidized phenols are more inhibitory. The mechanisms thought to be responsible for phenolic toxicity to microorganisms include enzyme inhibition by the oxidized compounds, possibly through reaction with sulfhydryl groups or through more non-specific interactions with the proteins (25).
I think this is saying, by killing the micro-organisms you are essentially poisoning tissue. May explain why ABX also badly effects the liver.
This is the link to the article. Which states that triphala is active again gram negative and nongram negative bacteria. Just like an antibiotic without affecting our good bacterial flora. But the the true benefit is to remove biofilm in the body. Triphala should be pulsed such as 5 days on and 2 days off. And possibly after a month stop it for a week to help rebuild tissue after 4 months you might want to stop for a month. I trust energetic testing for this but I'm learning and tannins are important anti microbial and anti viral substances. Just have to be wise how they are used. Again triphala has been used for thousands of years.
Hope this helps pamois and your welcome
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
A list of foods with tannins:
Common beverages Apple cider Apple juices Beer (hops) 20,000-40,000 ppm Coffee bean 90,000 ppm Grape juices Guarana 85,000-120,000 ppm Mate 40,000-160,000 ppm Red wines White wines aged in oak Rose hip tea Tea 33,000-270,000 ppm Beans Black beans Red beans (White beans have few if any tannins)
Spices Allspice Cinnamon Clove Coriander Cumin Oregano Tarragon Thyme Turmeric Vanilla Probably many more spices have tannins
Cigarette smoke
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
re: liver gallstone flush... I didn't do the parasite cleanse. I think it also says to do a kidney cleanse first, too.
I don't think I have a big parasite problem. I could be wrong... I don't seem to have many intestinal issues. I'm sure it doesn't hurt to be on the safe side, though.
My back is still hurting alot today but I do feel better in other ways. I guess it just takes time.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
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There are other liver flush programs that may be helpful if the Hulda Clark one is too intense. I think I need to go slower on it the next time around. I may look into it further.
I'm not sure why I'm having such bad back pain... could br the liver or something else...?
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Sparkle--I think it's safe to say that most of us have some kinda parasite problem. But you can always try the cleanse and see if you get any results. Babesia & other protozoas count as parasites too.. we're not just talking intestinal
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Thank you for your updates, Sparkle. I'm glad you are doing better..
Selma.. thank you for all the information. I cannot thank you enough!
Do you all know if we can get test kits form desbio (or our doctors can) and antibodies?
I know I can ge the slides.
Also.. anyone know if there have been problems using PE-1 with amalgams in?
Otherwise I have to stay on herbs or rife until my doctor clears me to get amalgams out.
Lastly.. why would parasite cleanse trump liver cleanse if liver is needed to detox? I undertand parasites being in liver, but wouldnt a liver cleanse help get some stuff out if there that might help with a parasite cleanse next? Is it absolutely necessaary to do one before the other?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Still in very bad pain today... Tried the castor oil pack & cilantro tea. I have only one thing left - I have to do another dreaded liver flush. Seems like the only way out is through!
The pain is really excruciating & I did not anticipate this... As I mentioned, my upper back & lymph seem to be getting better - so, I'm on the right track. I just think a bile stone must have moved info a bad place & I have to get it out or moving.
m0joey - I agree about the parasites. I've been doing the full Cowden herbs for about a year on & off (mostly on). They have pretty potent tinctures for parasites. I think cumanda, samento & maybe quina + enula all fight parasites.
I also did alot with the infrared light (LightWorks). I had a massive intestinal detox last summer. This may have killed off alot of "stuff" which may have been in my system. This may be why my liver is clogged up & I can't detox...
I think it's a good idea to do the Hulda Clark parasite cleanse if you feel you have problems. This situation with the liver cleanse is that the bits of parasites go into the liver & they become encased in fats from bile.
This is what causes the "stones". So, the thinking is to kill the parasites & then flush the remains from the liver.
I just didn't expect that I would be so incapacitated with extreme back pain. I was hoping it would pass but it's not. I'm going to have to do another flush to get whatever it is out. It's very painful.
Doing this sort of stuff is not for sissies! Ultimately, I believe it will help. I can tell it's changed some things but it's really hard going through this pain right now.
Send well wishes to me to move the obstruction from my liver... I need all the help I can get - & not from a surgeon! I'm going to try another flush tonight.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
PS - Robin - I have 4 amalgams left. My mercury tests were always very low, though. I didn't use the PE1 - I was using the LightWorks which is less strong.
I don't know if mercury was mobilized. I was going to try the NDF Plus this week but I had this issue come up with my liver... It says you can use the NDF if you still have mercury fillings.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Very interesting and helpful conversations going on here....
Glad your daughter seems to be responding so well and so quickly, Selma.
I wish I could remember what Hulda Clark said about why some other cleanses should be done before the liver/gall bladder flush.... seems like there was something specific she mentioned.... liver flukes? I can't remember.
Sparkle, good luck with this next cleanse - I really hope it does the trick. I'm VERY sorry for your misery lately - we should all learn from this!
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Yes... It's good to learn from others experiences!
Ultimately, this may work out to be a very good thing. This liver issue may have been what's holding me up towards getting well.
It all experimental - so, it's difficult for us who go the alternative route. I'm glad we have each other's support here. It's really been helpful for me to know you guys are out there!
Not everyone wants to get drugs, PICC lines & surgery... if it can be avoided. I chose to try to prove that you can do it with alternative routes even if I have to be my own guinea pig.
It's not easy being green...LOL (I don't know why that came to mind but it did... could mean alot of things.)
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Hi all, more updates. My daughter was in bad mood yesterday and told me to test her for toxins (she's sooo used to lyme treatment...).
People laugh when she says that, usually. 'Mom, can you check if I have toxins?' When she realizes she's crying for no good reason, she suddenly comes up with such a question. The problem is that, she's usually right.
Someway, this sounds funny. But in another sense, it is sad that such a small child already knows what it is to herx...
Anyway, she also helps me to find out what's wrong with her. It was not herx this time though, it was borrelia showing up again. She was testing to D12 up to C200 dilutions. She also tests for the highest, 1,000K but 'priority' tests suggested to leave the 1'000K out and use all other lower potency nosodes.
She's symptomless from pain, she just had this 'toxic' feeling yesterday. Photons done, back again to normal. She's though taking cleansers twice a day again (not once as before active borrelia)...
Candida parapsilosis is going down, it seems, as she starts to test more for L-forms than active forms. I know this pattern of candidal infection. It will stay with her for a while more, but hopefully it will also go.
No more co-infections, though, only borrelia. If I let borrelia grow, co-infections will show up again very fast, I'm pretty sure. Her knee nosodes are not testing (they were full of co-infections, but had little borrelia).
It is so amazing to see how these co-infections really are synergistically bounded with borrelia.
And how borrelia infection will make so many other dormant infections (not tick born ones) get awaken so fast. And on the other hand, how these other infections can go dormant so fast too, once borrelia gets dormant!!
For me, I was feeling some strange feeling with sunlight, which meant some sort of trouble, but I didn't know which. Just very weak light sensitivity. I found out today, as my hand started to be a bit red: mucor racemosus! Well, then I'm again on the Sanum drops. I already can't say I feel light sensitivity anymore.
So now I know that mucor racemosus can cause light sensitivity, like babesia can. At least, for me.
I'm not too worried with mucor though, I know this is an infection the body itself produces and that it will take me long to get totally rid of it. Glad there's Sanum for that.
Another thing I did for the first time, and it did knock me, was Nogier frequencies with quartz cristal. Amazing feeling. This is very relaxing, it seems to help the immune system a lot.
I was testing for borrelia 1,000K again, but decided to do the quartz cristal photon 'bath'. After that, no more need for borrelia 1,000K. Let's see how it will go in the next days (if I will still need the borrelia 1,000K). Priority said I needed more the quartz than the borrelia 1,000K, and that's what I did.
I had to nap after as it was strong (I did 15 minutes of photons, possibly too much with the quartz cristal). The photons passed through the cristal before reaching me.
Another funny thing is that I also tested for Ledum LM XXX, I think this is the highest dilution of Ledum that exists.
It rarely tests, and it will only test in the very end of a borrelia infection cycle (meaning, close to remission). I didn't take it because the borrelia 1,000K tested better.
Again, my daughter is then testing for active borrelia infection (not now anymore, after photons, but before it). She's symptomless (no pain) for a few days, but I know that if she's left untreated, she'll get the symptoms back.
So I don't know how long it will still take for her to put her infection dormant. We started treatment in the end of January for her. The Bionic looks much faster, for sure.
The big mistake I did was to stop treating her suddenly before she reached remission.
The rule with photons + nosodes looks the same as with abx and herbs then: never stop treating until the infection is dormant or you risk to get it back fast / go backwards in treatment.
Maybe with the Bionic, this is different as many people here said that borrelia didn't come back (but some Bionic users said it did come back, weaker, but there). It is certainly faster than with my PE1 though.
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Pamois, if one searches, one will find cancerigenous substances in ALL plants.
Buhner has a good 'theory' about toxicity of individual chemical components in a plant: he said that, as a SINGLE plant has literally thousands of chemical components, there's a great chance that one chemical component 'cancel' the other. It will be literally impossible to study all components in a plant due to sheer numbers of chemicals.
Plants, in general, are seen as less toxic than individual pharmaceutical components possibly because of that. That is why too, one plant will act in much wider way than any pharmaceutical drug. Like smilax, can kill and detox at the same time. Cats claw, can make your liver toxic and can make it less toxic too.
Just check any homeopathic compendium about plants and their effects on people. The range of 'effects' is incredibly wide. I guess this is because of these thousands of components.
Plants evolved with us, and so their healing properties, I believe. Even cinammon is said to be toxic in great amounts, or fennel. Amazing.
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Sparkle, it's difficult for us in the alternative route as it's difficult for the ones in any other route. Some people react faster no matter what route they choose.
Crossing fingers for you and your liver!
--- I use the PE1 on my husband, who still has 2 amalgams left. I don't know if this mobilizes mercury though. He's not sick with lyme. Never been. I want his amalgams off, but he's not in a hurry...
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Brussels, you are so brilliant, inspired, and inspiring. It is a pleasure to read your posts.
I am confused about potency translations. It seems to me that you may have posted a translation at some point, but I was not able to find it.
The American potencies I know are X = D C (same as CH and CK) M MM LM
I don't know how K potencies translate, and have not been able to find this on the web. This even stumped my naturopath.
I don't know what an LM XXX is.
I also have done a bit of crytal with PE-1. I found it a bit overwhelming, and had to stick to under a minute, but it was nice.
I've been using my PE-1. It is certainly much stronger than the Lightworks. I was up to about 2 hrs with Lightworks, and PE-1 tests for between 7 and 15 minutes per treatment total at the moment. It leaves me feeling quite hot, and with my whole system humming.
I need to find a way to make a treatment for meningitis. This is up again, since I got mold blasted. I respond very well to the meningitis treatment in DB LYM, but the whole mix isn't right for me.
I'm doing better now that the weather warmed up, and I can keep the heaters off, and the doors and windows open. But my adrenals are stressed.
As for lyme, last treatment was 5X, 6X, 70C, 1M vials of Borrelia Garinii in separate vials, with an additional vial of Systemic Drainage, on PE-1 level 10 for about 15 minutes.
I'm alternating that with mold and mycotoxin treatment from a mix made by an Asyra machine. It tests even better for me than the FNG I had been using, and that was pretty good.
I still have a strong allergic reaction, and that is an issue. Thanks for the suggestion to tap the allergy points. It helps, and also photons on those points with nosode information.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Sparkle, I am thinking of you and hoping this resolves for you soon.
I am ordering the parasite and liver cleanse stuff from hulda's site. Also the glutathione to make the suppositories. I know glut helps me alot. Then I'm going to test and have my doc double test for me.
I have pain upper right quadrant that cases back pain and makes me ill.. nausea sometimes, not much but enough to make me feel bad. So...
I am rotating banderol, mora, cumanda, samento eventually to add quina... trying to do the banderol for 2 months as per the directions, but wondering if I would be better of rotating off the bat.. then if it is OK to add in the black walnut, cloves and wormwood or to take a break from the cowden herbs.. anyone know?
Also thinking of a colon cleanse in addition to the parsite cleanse either the colonix brand I have here.. or colonics from the center my doctor works in. My gut is so messed up at this point I am considering progurt as well.
Once this is completed, I may just order the PE. Will test with my doctor as well as have her test with me what to treat. I hope to hook up with an asyra or a zyto as well. I want the detox situation covered.
I am also thinking to have CS and MMS on hand as well.
I have fortunate to have access to IV myers and glut if needed.
I'm wondering how much pre-work some of us need to do to work with the photons.
Sparkle I have 4 amalgams as well.
Thank you Selma and Bejoy as always.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Bejoy, fast answer here:
X = D (right) C (same as CH and CK)(not exactly) M MM LM
C is merely centesimal. There are two types, H and K. H is from Hahnemann, K from Korsakov. H means, dilutions are done each in a different bottle. K means dilutions are done all in the same bottle.
The main difference is that a C (C=CH usually, as far as I know, I hope Tracy shows up again one of these days here...) or CH has the energetic imprint of a single dilution. Example, a 30C will have only the information of a 30C dilution.
While a 30K will have the information of all previous dilutions (from 1K to 30K) because they always use the same bottle.
Home dilutions are almost always then K. My homeopath prefers K dilutions to H dilutions for that reason. Me too, I'm a fan of K dilutions.
So, borrelia 1,000K would also contain info from all other 999 dilutions in it (from 1K to 1,000K).
You could then ask, what's the usefulness of using a 200K then, if I could merely use a 1,000K for everything?
The problem is that sometimes, the body needs lower potencies and don't need the higher ones. My daughter is now in such a phase. Her infection is much too active for a 1,000K. Even though she tests for it too.
But as I said, when I ask, can I use 30K, 200K, plus the 1,000K her body says 'no'. So we stopped at 200K this time.
For myself, I'm only on the 1,000K now. I don't need the lowest dilutions.
Same for Ledum. Somehow these higher dilutions (M and above) never test for very active infection. Don't ask me much about these L potencies, I also get confused. I only started using these in LM dilutions because my lyme doctor loves them.
I suppose M = 1,000, LM = 50,000. I never heard of MM.
So my Ledum LM XXX would probably mean 30 times a dilution of 50,000 ?
If 5K = 5 times a 100 dilution, then...
... LM XXX = 30 times a 50,000 dilution?
LM dilutions anyway can't be done at home easily. You need so much water and I wonder how to sucuss these huge bottles... THey cost much more than simpler lower dilutions possible for that reason.
Maybe Tracy will show up one day with some suggestions for us who would like to adventure into LM home made dilutions... Hahnemann only worked with such dilutions in the end of his life, it seems.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Selma, I think you are exactly right about the H and K dilutions. My notes indicate that since the Korsakovian method is simpler and quicker, it is often employed to produce the higher potencies of 200C and above. So, a 1M may actually be a 1MK, not a 1MH.
Also, I think you are right that your Ledum LM XXX is actually an LM30. That's my best guess.
Here's something I found in my notes about dilutions - maybe this will help. Also, there are instructions at the link given for making home-made LM potencies but, as you will see, it's very confusing and complicated because it's a little different than the ratio implies:
quote:Potencies/ dilutions:
LM = 1:50,000 ( 50 MILLESIMAL SCALE ) ALSO WRITTEN AS LM/1, LM/2, 0/1, 0/2, OR Q1, Q2, ETC.
X = 1:10 ( DECIMAL SCALE ) ALSO WRITTEN AS D IN EUROPE.
C = 1:100 ( CENTESIMAL SCALE ) ALSO WRITTEN AS CH IN EUROPE.
As to the MM potencies, I believe those are simply just ridiculously high potencies and I have trouble understanding when or why they would be applicable. (Oxygenbabe encountered some of these ultra-high potencies with one practitioner and didn't do well with them, either.) So, my guess is:
10MM = 10,000,000 C ( CENTESIMAL SCALE )
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
I envy you guys that have done the liver/gall baldder cleanse. Makes me want to do one, too, if I can get the old bowels going better. (The bowel area is one that homeopathics don't seem to help me much with as far as `acute' situations go, though it might help eventually as part of a longer, slower, constitutional-type treatment.)
I'm just sorry you've had so much trouble, Sparkle!
Anyway, I went in search of the reason(s) for doing the Parasite Cleanse before doing the Liver Cleanse. I didn't spend a lot of time at it, but here are some quotes (I think from Hulda Clarke), some of which are quite interesting. Maybe some evidence here of why a lot of Lymies end up with gall bladder problems?
quote:``At the very center of each stone is found a clump of bacteria, according to scientists, suggesting a dead bit of parasite might have started the stone forming.
``Gallstones, being porous, can pick up all the bacteria, cysts, viruses and parasites that are passing through the liver. In this way "nests" of infection are formed, forever supplying the body with fresh bacteria. No stomach infection such as ulcers or intestinal bloating can be cured permanently without removing these gallstones from the liver.
``You can't clean a liver with living parasites in it. You won't get out many stones, and will feel quite sick. Zap daily the week before, or get through the first three weeks of the parasite killing program before attempting a liver cleanse. If you are on a parasite maintenance program, do a high dose program the week before.
``How safe is the liver cleanse? It is very safe. My opinion is based on over 500 cases, including many persons in their seventies and eighties. None went to the hospital; none even reported pain. However it can make you feel quite ill for one or two days afterwards, although in every one of these cases the maintenance parasite program had been neglected. This is why the instructions direct you to complete the parasite and kidney rinse program first.''
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
One other thing about killing parasites..... give me your thoughts on this....
Oregano Oil gelcaps.
When I had a `live blood analysis' done about 5 years ago, there were some parasites in my blood. The practitioner told me to take Oregano Oil gelcaps (as directed on label) for 2 weeks and it would wipe out any parasites in my blood. I believe it is true.
Both I and my ex-BF ended up with some kind of GI `bug' a couple of years ago, and we both `killled' it with 2 weeks of Oregano Oil gelcaps (available at Vitacost, BTW - not expensive.)
So, O.O. might be an inexpensive way to do some parasite `maintenance'. (Meaning two weeks of Oregano Oil 1 to 3 times a year.)
HOWEVER, be advised that IMHO, Oregano Oil can and will kill off some friendly gut bacteria, so be prepared to follow-up with an adequate probiotic program (plus prebiotics like inulin or FOS) for awhile after taking O.O.
[ 04-22-2009, 06:44 AM: Message edited by: Truthfinder ]
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Robin, sorry to hear you are also in pain...
It's hard to know what to suggest without energetic tests... I think, in the beginning, I would trust ART as it constantly tests for priorities. Dental and jaw work, scars, MFT points have to be treated as a starting point. I like this approach as it seems to work faster!
As for toxicity, as long as you have pathogens, the toxic issue will be there with you. You can clean up a bit, they'll load back again when they feel either attacked (fungi / mold) or when they die (borrelia, coinfections, parasites...).
In the beginning of my treatment, I had to do metal detox all together in order to slowly progress. It was a hell of a life. But I was being followed by two nice practioners and getting loads of cleansing stuff, plus homeopathy, neural therapy, tapping, manual lymph drainage...
Excess of toxicity can be dangerous for anyone.
I guess if you add the PE1 without energetic tests, it can also be problematic. Even the LW... Any extra killing can cause problems if one is not able to detox and is not having the support of a good detox protocol (individualized).
What is great with the nosodes + photons is that your killing protocol gets reduced. You'll have then time to concentrate basically on detoxing instead of having to concentrate both on killing and detoxing.
But again, while some people detox well, or have less load of pathogens, others detox badly or have higher loads and blockages and then will suffer much more. It's so individual! ---
Bejoy, are you using the direct mode with nosodes? Or are you using Nogier with nosodes? I am very curious.
I could do 15 minute session with quartz, but it was too much. Next time I'll do less. Did you do with citrine quartz or with plain quartz cristal?
In my first month with the PE1, I could barely stand 5 minutes/ day on Nogier. Now I can stand about 30 minutes, no problem. The problem is only with the direct mode, when I'm treating other people. I don't think direct mode brings any use WITHOUT nosodes.
What's your opinion on that? Direct mode kills me, it's waay too strong.
--- Another 'news' on homeopathic killers: arnica. My daughter got 'healed' from one tick bite infection basically with arnica only. She was not infected with borrelia, if my memory was good. Arnica ingested, not rubbed.
Today I decided to re-test her, as Tracy confirmed Arnica is seen as an anti-infective agent in the homeopathic books (see thread on tick bite preventative treatment by Truthfinder).
She still tests good for it, arnica 5D. When I ask which pathogen will it get, it's BARTONELLA!!!
She's taking that ingested, as it is testing like that. But if I had to use it through photons, it would have been in her 'heart' chackra, it seeems, not in the solar plexus.
So far, the two points that I use more for treatment are both heart and solar plexus (I mean, with nosodes or homeopathics). The third eye tests sometimes, but mostly are these two that I use mostly on myself and on people.
How about you, Bejoy (and others)?
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
question--has anyone treated pertussis or bortadella pertussis? My practitioner found that I have this after I told her I've had this swelling sensation in my throat ever since I first got sick (when i literally couldn't swallow, but that was also due to enlarged lymph nodes).
Dr. K and Dr. Derksen ND have been focusing more on the tonsils lately, so I thought it may be a tonsil issue but it doesn't seem to be the case.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Joey, did you have Whooping Cough as a kid? Or maybe you were vaccinated for it at one time? Just curious. That's one I don't remember coming across before on this board.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Which is why I brought it up. It never came up in her testing until I told her about my throat discomfort, which I think many of us have. Just wanted to see if this turned out to be more common than uncommon
I don't recall having the whooping cough but it may be from vaccine
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Hi Joey,
I have not run into a pertussis problem, myself, but I have treated other non-lyme pathogens, including TB, with lightworks and nosodes.
DesBio has a few remedies that might be possibilities for careful use with photons.
The Pertussis remedy has Pertussis 30x nosode, along with nosode for tetanus and supportive homeopathics.
VAX Reaction has vaccine nosodes from MMR, DPT, Polio, and supportive homeopathics.
You might want to ask your practitioner about these, or find out how to get a nosode series on it's own. Bottom line is to muscle test the product, and see how it tests for you, I think.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Selma and Tracy, thank you so much for the homeopathic explanations. Now I'm so excited about what I can do with my potentiser, and with the other resources I have available.
Taking this to the next level. My brain was too full for a while to coprehend. Now I feel like anything is possible again.
Back to the light machine!
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks for all the great info - once again!
Interesting about pertussis in relation to throat problems. I have had a slightly enlarged lymph node for many years. Even back when I was 28 & had CFS. The doctors I went to just said it was not a big thing but it may be from vaccines...?
My big report today is that I passed about 70 gall stones from doing a liver flush yesterday! My back/liver/gall bladder still hurts quite alot. I was hoping it would just stop after passing so many stones but I think I still have a ways to go.
Robin - pain in the right quadrant is indicative of liver or gall bladder problems. I had that pain too. It was in my shoulder blade & neck. I also had pain running through big lymph duct meeting areas like inside my shoulders in the front. I think all of this was related to my clogged liver...
After I did the first flush, it took about 10 days to get the bad back pain. I'm thinking that it just may take some time for the body to adjust to the changes that are made during a flush. I did notice that the pain in my shoulder blades decreased & it felt like some of my lymph areas were moving more freely.
If you look back to the post I copied from Curezone - it seems that this back pain can happen. I have to think about it to see if any physical manipulation would be in order.
I found a holistic medical center in the Smoky Mountains not too far from me that does neural therapy & that sort of medicine - I may get in touch & see what their program is. I'm not sure how far it is but it may be a few hours drive.
There is also a lady here in SC who is an expert in homeopathy. She says she treated President Clinton... I may get in touch with her. I don't know if she does one on one consultations but I'll have to look into it further...
People who practice natropathic medicine here tend to keep quiet about it but I have noticed some practitioners around. I've just been kind of broke - so, I haven't been looking too much.
It can get expensive going to these people & they may not help. Lyme & related issues are very specialized. Some of these doctors may be good but Lyme is something very specific.
In my case, I really need to work out this liver issue before I can do much else. Seems to be a physical blockage so I don't know if homeopathy & infrared light can really address this.
I think there are loads of parasites all around us. It seems like a good idea to try to kill them as a regular basis. It also seems that if we get out of balance with the pathogens like Lyme, viruses, vaccines, etc., it can create a haven for the parasites &/or fungi, candida, etc.
Read the Hulda Clark website for further info... It's kind of mind blowing about all of the parasites.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Gallbladder stress can also lead to swelling sensation along the sides of the brain. I thought it was due to chelation hitting the brain, but the swelling immediately reduced after I treated emotions (gallbladder) and e coli harbored in gallbladder.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Selma, I have not worked with Nogier on PE1 yet. I always used it on Lightworks, but have not learned it on PE-1 yet. So now always use direct until I play with it more.
For crystals, well, I just played with those a bit. A little citrine, and a little other clear crystal, I don't remember the name. Not as treatment so much as to see how it feels. I'll keep playing with it, and let you know if I find anything.
I use nosodes and other homeopathics wherever. I found that just touching a bottle with my fingers after a light treatment gave a strong effect, so often I don't think it matters entirely where or how I use it, although my body usually has a preference.
Mostly I use the vials on the solar plexus. Sometimes just under the tongue if I am in a hurry. Today on the skin on allergy points then did an allergy treatment.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Tracy, I was writing my answer when you posted yours!!
thanks a lot for the detailed info. So now I know that MM is not a conventional dilution. I never had heard of it before, thanks really!!
-- as for oregano oil, choose well your product, test for stomach and GI (if they digest these). Oregano oil, if not correctly diluted, can be so strong and burn your throat! -- Joey, are you using ART? Just curious to know. It looks like, by your description.
It's a good idea to ask practioners for specific problems too, even though an ART practioner has to go through the manual first (to get basic disfunctions) and only will treat symptoms at the end.
As for pertussis, I wonder too if it didn't come from vaccinations too. I swear my tuberculosis tested as coming from one vaccination (BCG) and went dormant only after I treated with the vaccination nosodes. Before, only using the tuberculosis nosodes, it kept coming back.
Thanks Bejoy, for the info. I'll be then waiting to see your tests!
Wow, so you could stand so much time only with DIRECT MODE! I never can stand direct mode more than a couple of minutes...
Glad to know you are progressing!
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
My practitioner uses muscle testing, but she asks on all levels.. physical, energetic, spiritual etc so it is not your run-of-the-mill muscle-testing. Her answers often conflict with my biotensor because of this, so I've taken to trusting her for deeper issues and using the tensor only for superficial gauge.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Thanks bejoy! I will get the VAX and see if that tests for treatment
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks m0joey- I never noticed any brain swelling type symptoms. I have gotten migraines recently, though.
I have a feeling this liver or gallbladder dysfunction may be pre-Lyme. Sometimes, I wonder if it really is Lyme at all. Maybe all my illness could be due to liver/gallbladder issues...? I'll have to ask the bobber when I'm feeling better.
I did find an MD who practices ART about 2 & 1/2 hrs away. She also does alot of interesting medical techniques at her center. They are going to call me tomorrow. I may consider going to see her. There may be people here in town but I haven't done alot of looking.
I did something many years ago called Sequential Therapy with homeopathy which addresses any old traumas such as vaccines, emotional traumas you may have experienced, recreational drug use, having your wisdom teeth out, etc.
It was interesting. It may be good to go through all of your vaccines & treat them homeopathically just as part of the whole scheme of things.
I don't know if I have my records of vaccines any more. Who knows what additional "stuff" was in them all of those years ago...???
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
BTW - has anyone archived this thread...?
May be a good idea to do it every so often. If you have the time to do it - let us know.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Sparkle, I dont know if you posted it here or on another thread.. I think this gallbladder, liver issue was also with me before my lyme diagnosis. interesting. I have been reading.
Listening to more cds on quantum reality, Spontaneous Evolution this time. Really just info to suuport the pleomorphic theory.. bugs come out to balance each other out and the environment out. We are a pathogen soup, Joey, and I am not sure I want to kill them all. I'm not sure about that anymore. I"m not sure what belongs and what does not belong in the human body.
In Flood Your Body with Oxygen, Ed McCabe says that a deoxygenated blood brings critters out pleomorphically.. they develop in a decaying environment for the purpose of fulfilling their intention and or to bring balance. I wonder how these bugs play off each other.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
is that what the sanum remedies are based on?? hence the "pleo"
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
And although the McCabe theory would really support the ozone steam sauna I've been talkin about, I've heard so many caveats about babesia/protozoa I'm not sure what to think anymore..
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I've heard conflicting info as well. I have a valkion which may bypass that problem. I have also been considering ozone of some sort.
Energetically testing is probably the only way to know for you.. and trial and error..
sanum.. think they do address pleomorphic forms like the L form?
I am reading two different versions of pleomorphism (In my mind). One is the bugs mutate to avoid being killed. The other is the bugs mutate to seek balance in the community called our body. Isnt Buhner more the balance kind of perspective, possibly Dr. K as well.. not so much about killing them off as reaching some sort of relationship with these things that are a part of us.? It seems Dr. W may be saying the same thing.
OR all of the above. What fun to figure all this out.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Pleo = Sanukehls, here in Europe. Yes, they address the L-forms of pathogens. They are a MUST in my opinion for any candida infection.
Nosodes and homeopathy don't 'kill', but they do balance things. They give information to your body, and that's your body that decides what to do. It's not like taking garlic, or abx, oregano oil, rifing.
I feel that homeopathy is good because of that. It's not 'wipe' off everything but more like balancing things. There can be killing effect, of course, when the number of critters are higher that what your body wants.
As for L-forms nosodes (pleo or sanukehls), Sanum uses sometimes only these to attack certain infections. Like Strep infections, they don't have, as far as I know, any nosodes for strep but they only have the Sanukehl Strep. To control a strep infection, these L-form nosodes work very well.
So it means, our bodies get rid of active forms by themselves and we only give extra information to eliminate the extra L-forms that were hidden. There are many other Pleos that come solo, no nosodes of active forms either. I guess another is San. Trich,
Robin, how do you use your Valkion? Do you think it helps?
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Hi Brussels, do you know anything about the Paracelsus Clinic and Dr Rau in Switzerland? I heard about it last yr and according to what I heard along the grapevine it is supposed to be excellent...they use various therapies/treatments including the Sanum remedies plus various other treatments including something to do with "molecular weight proteins" which one of the doctors there told me about when I phoned ... and as far as I know they dont use abx.
The doc I spoke to said they had a very good success rate for lyme though I havent heard of many people going there...only a couple here on Lymenet when I did a search...and one of those apparently didnt have a very good experience...so just wondering if you know anymore or have heard of any success stories?
Thanks
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Selma -- you can test for this, but given the amount of time you can have light with no effect means your body now has all your cells filled with light. In otherwords we get to the point where we don't need anymore light.
So when the body has enough light the next best form of healing is exercise. Aerobic exercise, so you need to bump up your exercise regimine. If your daughter is in the same situation, then find an exercise activity you can both do together.
Breathing exercise and oxygenating the body. The diaphram gets week from lack of use.
Joey, I know you have CFS, but breathing exercise might apply to you as well.
There is time for energy and a time physical healing.
Tracy -- triphala might help with with your gut along with the progurt. triphala is extremely good against parasites along with teasel root powder will get it deeper into the body, and freeze dried garlic and a bit of oregano oil. Take some apple pection along with it and it may get your gut working enough to do the cleanse.
The apple pectin should clear the poisons.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Hey Brussels: Is the energetic frequency of active & l-forms the same? If so, treatment with nosodes + photons should theoretically be effective?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Joey, I don't know about the frequency, but the two products (nosodes and Sanukehls) can't be mixed and taken at once, as far as I have been testing. You can take in the AM one then evening another, but not simultaneously.
The products are different because the source is different.
I don't remember if I photooned candida and L-forms of candida... I remember I used L-forms of other critters through photons (like for strep), but I can't remember if I used the candida nosodes plus L-forms through photons...
For the moment, daughter and I are only ingesting SAnum because we're giving priority to borrelia through photons.
It is the Sanukehl that finishes a candida infection (meaning, put it dormant). For me it happened more than once, for my daughter too. Only candida nosodes aren't as effective.
I also used these products before photons, but the logic is just the same with photons. It's just faster with photons. Now my daughter is in ingested Sanum again, as we're treating borrelia with photons.
Another very interesting product for the gut is Fortakehl, a sort of product that balances the flora. It only tests for very short term, but I believe it does help (so does my lyme doctor).
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Shimmy, the Paracelsus is not too far from my place, but I've never been there. They wouldn't take insurance, their prices are high and I had good results with dr. K's practioners. If I hadn't, I guess they were going to be my next bet.
---- Bob, the direct mode is too strong. I don't know if I got filled with photons or not, I just know now I can stand Nogier for 30 minutes a day while before, it was impossible (I could only stand few minutes a day).
I certainly lacked photons. As much as I lacked sunlight (too long winter).
I guess your theory of now having my tank filled in is right though as I don't see any more big changes, if I do more or less photons in a day.
Photons changed me so much, changed my constant hungry mode (I'm absolutely not the hungry person I was for years), changed my internal clock (I do start to get sleepy earlier than 1AM!), and gave me a sort of very inner energy I couldn't gain otherwise.
This inner energy is seen through iniciative, will to try new things, experiment, in the way I taste foods, in the way I feel I can smell (I'm much more sensitive to smells)...
Photons provided me with a very different thing than the energy I got through food. I wonder if by providing my mitochondria with photons, if my cells didn't start to function better and more efficient? That's why I don't need to eat so much anymore?
I feel I detox better too (possibly because some blockages are lifted with photons, a bit like with accupuncture)...
But now, I think I reached a plateau again. As I'm symptomless from lyme, this is not too bad though...
I know I should do more regular aerobic exercises. I gotta put myself into a schedule again. My daughter is getting good at cycling now, but her legs are not too strong to climb, so still, I can't exercise much with her.
We both did our nosodes through photon again, this time only Borrelia burgdorferi 30C, 200K and 1,000K today. It seems that the borrelia garini stopped to be active for the last month or so with my daughter...
She's still testing for Arnica 5D though, and I do suspect some active bartonella for her. No symptoms, just through energetic tests... I am giving her Arnica through her mouth.
She's also now shifting from Candida parapsilosis to Candida albicans in her tummy, so again, we're on Albicansan and Sanukehl candida. It's soo amazing, when borrelia gets active, all these nasty infections get sooo active too!!!
My mucor racem is still testing, I'm having some eczema (again heavy metals or toxins being liberated), but nothing that the detox herbs wouldn't take. My liver got some stress lately, but I'm tapping MFT for it.
My cilantro D6 is still testing, but this is too strong, so I'm backing off during this mucor infection. It seems that a few drops of this homeopathic dilution makes me liberate heavy metals for at least 2 whole days!
I still haven't then tried Nurse Andi's dilutions of heavy metals, because I'm trying to reach a plateau with cilantro D6.
Common cilantro tincture never caused me so much metal mobilization like this cilantro homeopathic. Again, probably because homeopathy goes deeper than herbs and supplements...
Now, it's bear garlic season. They are all over my place here. I'm waiting for them to blossom and then will prepare my bottles of bear garlic root tincture for the whole year soon!
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I was thinking about parasites the other day... Seems that they are in our bodies to help with decomposition when we die. I don't think one ever gets rid of them completely.
The thing is, is that we don't want to be decomposing while we are still alive. That seems to be what illness & imbalance is about. We need to try to enhance the imbalance towards our favor.
I'm just feeling kind of philosophical today. I'm really in alot of pain from my liver or gall bladder. The bobber says to just wait it out & try to let it heal on it's own. It's not life threatening.
I can't really do anything until this clears up. Just drinking fresh juice, eating well, & I might try a castor oil pack later.
Happy earth day! The weather is unbelievably gorgeous here today.
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Thanks Brussels, yes its a shame the Paracelsus is expensive but it definitely sounds like an interesting place.
Just a comment about the photons and hunger, Ive had a similar experience occasionally so can definitely relate but mostly I end up eating more due to blood sugar drops ... on the other hand my practitioner who is treating me has been using the Bionic on herself and has a marked reduction of appetite such that she keeps having to remind herself to eat (she does not have lyme and is basically healthy).
We both thought that it is either the balancing of serotonin or like you say possibly the cells are so energised so they have less of a need for food for the ATP.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Sad to say Selma, I have not used it beyond a tbs. I was not sure I was ready. I dont know why I bought it and hope it was a good instinctual purchase. I will report back. Asking doct to double test I am ready to use as well as ready for hulda's cleanses. I am messed up gut wise. Joey has a thread going on it.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I can use my pendulum, but the bobber is baffling me. Can someone tell me how to use it?
Sparkle.. I am always getting philosphical.. the joy of thinking too much. The bugs have to be part of that. It has to be about balancing them out and taking out the debris and garbage they are feeding on and maybe even just doing their job on. I guess thats the beauty of energetic testing.. you know when to leave them alone and when to balance them out? They have to serve some purpose.. we are not supposed to be sterile are we?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I would be careful about the liver flush. I'm not completely sure that this was the right thing to do....
I am in so much pain & I don't know what to do about it now. I really dread having to go to a regular doctor & explaining all of this.
I thought it would pass but it's been about a week now. It's very hard to take & it is excruciating - even for someone who's been ill for 13 years & has dealt with pain.
As for the bobber - hold it lightly in your hand between the thumb & the rest of your hand. Try to feel a connection with it. Ask it to indicate yes, no, & "thinking"... See how this works for you.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Sparkle--thank you for the caveat. I was gonna do it tomorrow but I think I"ll hold off until I get the green light from doc.
I hope you resolve this issue soon.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Sparkle... when my liver, gallbladder, back hurt it does help to do a castor oil pack in a row for 6 nights... well thats whay tested for me. Thats what my doctor had me do last time. I am doing again on second night. I know you are in more pain, but maybe it would help to do this in the meantime until you can follow through with your doctor? I am so sorry you are in pain like this.
Thank you for the bobber tip. I thought I had to make it move by moving it in a certain direction first. I'll try this.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Thanks - you must have been reading my mind, Bob - I've got apple pectin down on my list of things to `investigate'. I think Progurt is definitely in my future. The Oregano Oil tends to reduce bowel action, probably because it kills of some gut flora. The Triphala is out for reasons I've stated prior.
Sparkle..... well, I'll just send you a private message. My mind is a bit scattered today - watched the Under Our Skin documentary last night - very emotional experience for me.
Selma, bejoy, anybody - have you ever 'tested' homeopathic 'lactic acid' (I think it's lacticum acidum)?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Tracy, just take a look in the other thread of Progurt. I answered your post there about acid latic. The Sanum article is interesting to be read full though.
There are two types of acid latic and only one is used for energy in cells. I only use Sanuvis (acid latic dilutions) rubbed mostly as this is how it tests.
I wonder if this is not because of the issue 'tissues being too acid while the blood is alkaline', so better rub than ingest in my case...
almost invariably, after a skin infection, Sanuvis will test to be rubbed. You see the color of the skin changing almost immediately, from darker to clear skin color. It's almost unbelievable unless you have seen it with your own eyes.
It does seem important to try to control acid latic cycle together with the citric acid cycle for any chronic disease, to boost oxygenation in the mitochondria. That is one of the basics of Sanum recommendations...
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I'm feeling slightly better today. I was considering going to see a doctor but decided against it.
I don't have any symptoms that would indicate an extreme situation going on like abdominal pain, nausea, jaundice, fever, etc. I have been taking selected supplements & I am going to try some lecithin & bile salts which I read may be helpful.
I have also been juicing & eating foods good for the liver. Some have also suggested a coffee enema which I may try later.
If you have medical problems that involve your GI tract - you may want to try a slower approach to get the gall stones out. In my case, I don't have any evident GI issues. I'm in pretty good shape with that.
I do think my liver needs some help, though. I keep going back & forth as to whether this is all worth it. It may prove to be extremely beneficial but it's been difficult & kind of scary.
There may be less intense liver flush protocols out there. I think I've seen them here & there on the internet. This Hulda Clark method really does work but there may be side effects for the select few who for some reason have to go through additional pain during the process.
I have read that it can cause the gall stones to move around & clog up a bile duct - which can be dangerous. Seems many people also have great benefit from it.
m0joey- how does your doctor feel about it?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
PS - thanks Robin. I did try the castor oil packs for a couple of days but the pain didn't lessen. Maybe I'll try them again...
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
My doc also wants me to hold off. She waffled a bit, but this week we treated some e coli that was harbored in the gallbladder and wanted me to wait
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Shimmy, thanks for saying that about your doctor. At least someone else with similar experience to mine concerning lack of hunger (or not exactly, as I do feel hungry but NOT as before)!
So, if I understood well, your doctor is using the Bionic? If yes, great!! Is he /she using dr. W. protocol too? Please, answer me in PM if you want, as the FDA may be not far!!!
Another comment is that, despite eating much less, I still try to keep quality when I can. I don't lose weight either, nor gain...
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Joey, I love your blog!! And I do know what it is NOT to do muscle test or whatever, just pass the hand on top of 30 bottles and catch the one that you need.
I just don't know how she does to cancel something just with her mind only. It sounds very interesting. Do you think it works? I mean, do you feel something going on? Can you give us a concrete example if this worked? does she need to touch you for doing that?
I guess photons do similar, because every time we photoon something, using its frequencies, the same vial simply stops testing for days, sometimes weeks, right?
but of course, there seems to be a more plausible explanation for the photons because our cells do emit photons and that probably, such homeopathic dilutions too. But as for the mind treatment canceling frequencies, it gets a bit more difficult to get any explanation... It doesn't mean I don't believe!
My lyme doctor also uses muscle tests, but will only go with his hand above vials to catch what I need, when he has to choose among too many things. Then he muscle tests me to get a confirmation!
In the beginning, I was very very skeptical. But I just let it go, if it worked, well, why not? I hadn't other choices, as normal ducks didn't want to see me anymore.
Now, see who I turned into!
Wait until you'll go to the radionic world!! Treatment sent from thousands of miles away. That is even more crazy (it looks just total quakery, unless you are able to do something yourself!!).
-- My daughter stabilized again. No more candidas around today, for the first time in the last weeks. Bartonella got also hidden in my tests. I wonder how much the immuno suppression comes from bart and how much comes from borrelia.
It is so amazing to see these infections suddenly stopping, almost all at the same time.
Another interesting remedy for E.coli and many intestinal parasites is Fortakehl. I find it broad spectrum and work reasonably fast for many GI parasitism, imbalances.
And I am testing for Aspergillus niger in the middle of the day... Again, these Sanum theories seem to be true: Mucor more active in the morning, while aspergilus 'build' up in the end of the day... The same mycosis-like rash then reacts to both Mucokehl and Nigersan.
It's the first time I got these rashes back since January. I guess my skin needs photons too? Nothing serious for the moment though...
-- Another of my thoughts after reading Joey's blog: so the Bionic treatment didn't wipe out borrelia, as initially thought.
It is very efficient, that is right. But more and more I see the same pattern as with other treatments. If one doesn't eliminate parasites first, and at least major co-infections, borrelia can show up again.
If, as I believe, borrelia live in the bodies of those parasites too, I couldn't understand how photons would have reached inside each parasite to have them catch their borrelia.
So I'm getting slowly convinced that the sequence 'treat parasites first, then co-infections, then finally borrelia' suggested by dr. K. is still valid with photons, no matter which machine you choose...
And that not to get sick again one day if one gets to remission, with photons or not, we still have to go through complete detox (heavy metals, candida, mind, organs, scars, mouth 'cleaning', pesticides etc etc)...
Photons bring though a BIG shortcut with the killing (I've seen nothing faster with borrelia and some other critters than nosodes + photons), boosts energy, helps cleaning, but it's not a SOLO treatment.
It seems that a few critters won't respond well to photon + nosodes (like bartonella ?, or candida?, mucor, certain parasites ?...). Anything else?
Photons will not help all blockages to lift (see problems with detox in this thread) and will not get all borrelia AT ONCE, no matter which machine one uses. Most depends on the individual condition. It is though the fastest treatment to get borrelia load down, among all others, it seems.
If someone has other insights here, I'm all ears!
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
great post Brussels. Parasites are definitely next on my list. Who would've thought they should've been first
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I think the infrared light gives the homeopathic remedies a boost. I think the infrared light can work just on it's own, as well.
I'm not sure what my situation is since most of my standard tests have been non-conclusive. I don't know for sure if I have Lyme, co-infections, mycoplasmas, etc. I had a clinical diagnosis.
I have been kind of mucking around - I'm not very scientific about it & I tried to spend very little money. I don't have many remedies or test kits, etc.
I did find that the infrared light did alot for me just on it's own & I just used the LightWorks. It was amazing the change I felt from using it. I know exactly what you mean, Selma... It does shift the whole paradigm of healing.
It's not a 100% cure as some may have thought. I do believe it does change things dramatically & it's extremely helpful. My $300 was very well spent.
I'm not exactly sure what I'm still dealing with but I have to get through this liver/gall bladder crisis before continuing with the infrared light.
I don't know if there's a one-size-fits-all solution with all of these bugs & toxins. I don't know if there's an order to treating these things.
There may be many variables like when did you first acquire the virus, germ, bacteria, parasite, toxin, how long has it made you ill, is there a hierarchy of virus, bacteria, parasite, toxin, fungus, does one cause the other to mutate, etc...?
Also, everyone has their unique genetics. There's much to consider.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
We'll see if there is a more consistent hierarchy. Keeping track of anecdotal data is the only way to know. Killing parasites first seems to go hand in hand with normalizing gut flora...without a functioning gut, there seems to be little chance of recovery.
That may be why some fare better with the bionic treatment for lyme (it doesn't show up for a long time or ever again) and others need more rounds and still don't get there. If your body isn't ready to kill it, it won't.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
This is why people who do alot of abx & don't get well may have problems...
I believe that the abx may suppress the pathogens & they adversely effect the natural balance of bacteria in the GI tract.
This bacterial balance in the gut may really be an important factor with many things... I'm not sure where parasites fit in since they haven't been a huge issue for me.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Have you gotten tested for parasites? How do you know they're not a huge issue? (just curious)
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
The valkion is photonic:
Cells were exposed to singlet oxygen energy photons at l 634nm by bubbling air into the tube, or by illumination, before the production of reactive oxygen species were measured in the luminometer.
At the 634 nm which is I hear comperable to the 432 hz (?).
Am I understanding this correctly?
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I think the parasites may be the way to go for some of us. That will include the protozoa, correct? It seems to always go back to or begin with the gut. Possibly the KMT was a good thing for that in your journey, Selma.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
No. I haven't been tested for parasites. I haven't had any symptoms of having them. I believe everyone has them to some degree but I guess if they become overt - it's an issue. I really don't have many problems with my GI tract - knock on wood!
My bobber says no, in any case.
I think the zapper that Alv mentioned seems like it might be useful for parasites. It's alot less money than the KMT. Rifing may help, too.
Just did a coffee enema & it reduced the back/liver pain. Little by little.... I also just bought some lecithin & a product called Stone Free.
Anyway, this doctor has some liver cleanse products that may be more gentle than the Hulda Clark methods -
I like their products & ideas about things but they tend to be overpriced. It's just kind of inconvenient to replicate the formulas buying the oils individually.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Selma, thank you so much for the information about lactic acid! This answers so many questions for me. (See my other post on the Progurt thread.) Also, I guess I didn't realize that you'd been using the L(+) form of lactic acid in one of your Sanum remedies.
Interesting that it tests to be rubbed topically..... have you tried rubbing it on joint problems - `articulations' as I think you refer to them?
This also makes me wonder if perhaps the Sanuvis 2x (or a low potency of Progurt itself?) could be used in place of (or part of) the daily Progurt intake..... perhaps a way to make the Progurt therapy affordable for most everyone. (?) (I don't know how a 2x potency of Progurt would have to be preserved, though, unless it was with glycerin.)
Anyway, I have this feeling that unraveling the `lactic acid' puzzle may be a key element in my case. But as Sparkle indicated, each of us has our own `puzzles' to unravel.
Joey, I think Dr. K. has always said that parasites have to be dealt with first...... but `dealing with them' isn't exactly a straightforward proposition. And I sure agree with you about the importance of gut health in any illness. I've got to face that fact.
I think the Young Living oils are still top-quality, but they are definitely overpriced because of the marketing system. Sad but true.
I became a YL distributor years ago just to get the oils cheaper, and have a lot of Young Living oils But I have to tell you that I often `herxed' from using specific oils for specific complaints, and especially oils on my spine, legs, or feet. Again, something that was supposed to make me feel better made me worse..... but at least I understand why now. The oils - like herbs and drugs - do `kill' microbes, for instance.
I had no problems using little dabs of oils on my body for `aroma' purposes. But if applied in larger quantities on larger areas for physical problems, or on my feet - even if very diluted - I often got surprises.
I stopped using them when I started using homeopathics regularly. The strong odors CAN antidote homeopathic remedies - I've read a couple of personal accounts - and I decided not to take a chance.
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Hi Brussels, yes my practitioner is using the Bionic on herself...she has no major health issues she mainly just wanted to see what it feels like as she feels it would help her understand her clients experience of the photon therapy.
Of course she has also had some benefits from it, some increased energy and it has affected her appetite such that she no longer feels the same normal urge to eat. Just goes to show how powerful it is. I am using the Bionic with the nosodes as per Dr W's protocol.
Dont worry we are in the the UK so no worries over the FDA knocking on our doors!! :-)
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Interesting discussion about parasites! I did have some treatment for them yrs ago using Hulda Clark's zapper and also some of the herbs she recommends, black walnut & cloves tho never tried wormwood (btw I ordered Super Wormwood Blend Joey to see if it will help with my gut as I'm convinced I still have some worms down there, will report back if it helps).
Anyway the parasite treatment definitely helped, I got quite a bit of die off and an improvement in energy & cognitive symptoms albeit it was only temporary though I didnt keep up with it which I think I should have ... and then I realised I had adrenal insufficiency and mercury too so started to focus on that - this was yrs before I found out I had lyme & coinfections too..
I do totally agree with you Joey that a toxic gut hampers recovery as if you start to detox or treat the deeper levels in the tissues without addressing colon first eg with regular enemas otherwise you are just going to retox and feel a lot worse... so it does make sense to keep all the elimination pathways "open".
I think this is why many naturopathic practitioners do recommend a certain order to things which has always made complete sense to me. When I did some training in naturopathy yrs ago this was the basic philosophy of the course ... start with colon cleansing/parasites ... then kidney cleanses before moving higher up to flush the liver etc.
Having said that as you say Tracy things are never as straightforward in practice are they??!!!
I do know that one of our lyme docs in the UK (as per the work of Dr Klapow) believes that treating Crypto Pulmoni first can make treating lyme a lot easier so advises taking Ivermectin first of all for people who test positive.
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Hi Sparkle, I think Dr Schulze's products are quite good, Ive used them on and off for yrs and a lot of practitioners in the UK use them. I have found the IF2 a particularly good colon cleanser and I'm using it again at the moment.
IF1 is quite strong and can cause a lot of cramps so its best to start on a low dose eg 1 capsule but again it is very effective at getting things moving!
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Treatment with bionic and super wormwoood for the crypto pulmoni: tests totally gone. No active forms left. It may come back, but for now it took 1 bionic tx and 3 weeks of wormwood
Also no parasites showed up on my metametrix GI Function Profile, but I will test energetically with a few parasitic vials I have next week to compare
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Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Thats great news Joey! Thanks for sharing.
Do you feel any better since treating for the C Pulmoni?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Shimmy, great that there's such a treatment in the UK!!!
Are there many 'Britts' that are open for that? I have the feeling (because of the eurolyme site) that few are open to alternative therapies...specially the main administrator.
Great to know your about your practioner. Let us know how you react with the treatment, what she uses for detoxing etc.!
I just went into a good text from a dr. K's conference on autismus and realized he uses LOADS of Heel products, many that I tried, some that I haven't, for many purposes.
Ubichinon one very well seen, it's one of my favorites. He also uses a LOT of Sanum.
I just read about Vermox too, that he recommends that (possibly for kids)? Anyone has experience with it? My daughter never treated parasites either and I'm just considering trying...
As for DMPS and DMSA, he recommends only at the end if rubbed (as they go to the brain like that), cilantro in the end too, as it also cleans the brain (the brain has to be the last one to get detoxed), and he talked about the fact that sometimes, taking about 120 tablets of chlorella can do good things (I had forgotten about that).
I know I used that technique with my naturopath. Today, I did that with me and daughter. It's an amazing feeling, a deep sort of detoxification that happens very fast.
Another interesting product for mercury intoxication (he considers all chronic sufferers are toxic) is Thalamus compositum. According to him, it has tubulin inside. I'll CERTAINLY get a sample of it and see how me and daughter test!
Another interesting product to regulate lymph nodes in the GUT is tonsilla compositum.
Another that mobilizes metals is Schwefel Heel, but it has to be used only in the end of metal detox.
Very interesting viral remedy is high dose Vit A (about 400,000 units at once). It will stop most viral infections.
I gotta go, daughter is calling
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Another not very known infection affecting many people, with or without lyme, is tuberculosis. It doesn't have to attack the lungs (both me and Bejoy didn't have any lung symptoms), I see that in people I test. Another lady, only have arthritis and joint stiffness too, no lung symptom.
did you guys with this pneumonia critter had lung symptoms?
Different pathogens though can cause tuberculosis, but it is much more widespread than we think. --
Shimmy, thanks for your comments on parasites, then kidney, then liver at the end. It makes some sense, at least for the liver, as it dumps things into the intestines.
There seems to be a sequence for metal detox too, at least, following dr. K. First, detox matrix + organs where about 90% (if my memory is good) of heavy metals and toxins are located.
Never ever start detoxing heavy metals in the brain, because it will not have where to dump their heavy metals as everywhere else is full.
So it will just relocalize metals and create worsening of symptoms (because if all organs, lymph, GI tract, matrix is full of heavy metals and we take a mobilizer that moves metals all over, including the brain metals, we'll have a toxic soup going to all directions, except flushing out).
Just see the thread on DMPS going on now. We had seen that on and on in lymenet, people getting in real trouble after taking mobilizers.
Even if your practioner knows how to do that, it is dangerous and tricky.
First clean the matrix + organs, then when some of the metals that are intracellular can get out, they'll have place to get flushed out through liver, intestines, kidneys, lymph drainage, lungs. The brain detox has to come at last according to dr. K.
I suspect that photons do move heavy metals too. That is how it is testing for me. So it is also somehow dangerous, if the matrix + organs are not clean and functioning well.
-- Sparkle, just a little 'voice' inside of myself says that you still have problems with infections. Any toxic person will have, I can almost put my hands on fire for this statement. If your liver is not working properly, you are toxic, even if you had no microbes at first.
One of the probable reasons for liver toxicity, is already overload of toxins: the body can't detox anymore, organs get clogged. Toxins come from microbes and from the environment.
When you get to remission of all infections, even if for shorter periods, you'll see/ feel the toxic load falling considerably. It's like day and night for me.
You just don't feel toxic, not to the point we all feel when we are killing borrelia, fungi, mycoplasma, babesia, whatever. Even a flu, or a cold causes such feeling of toxicity.
Fatigue is the first symptom for me of toxicity, then all others can come, liver pain, kidney pain, swelling of hands or feet, shakiness, palpitations, headaches, brain fog, excessive hunger, diarrhea or constipation, craving oily food, air hunger, skin rash, more fungal infections, high blood pressure, insomnia etc .
Even the heavy menstruation for me happened during high toxicity, and my naturopath said it was common as the body was trying to detox.
I got saved a few times from certain toxins with LOADS of chlorella taken at once. I couldn't hold all tablets with one hand. She told me more than once, 'take all that at once'. And I did. --
As for the detoxing and killing, another good hint from the text was that at times, one concentrate on one part (like mostly killing when symptoms are unbearable), but then, when symptoms lower, it's time to move to a heavier detox (like heavy metal detox)...
When metals stop to flush, then get back to critter killing. According to dr. K., you'll be often surprised that after killing certain critters, more metals get released almost by themselves (metals that have been stuck before).
After reading all that, I realized that it is not a linear sequence, the killing - heavy metal detoxing... It comes and goes, until, as he says, the pathogenic soup stops, then your toxic load reached a good point.
People that are not toxic take a remedy a few times and get the pathogen killed. Toxic people will need many rows of killings, and they may still get back. NOt my words, I'm just saying what I understood. If anyone is interested in the notes from this autism conference, send me a PM.
Posted by AndrewInCA (Member # 2010) on :
Brussels,
The tuberculosis comment is interesting. Someone with Healers Who Share mentioned to me that almost everyone carries the tuberculosis and syphilis miasms. This is because those diseases were so common in the past, many of our ancestors had them. The miasms were then carried down to us through our DNA.
Of course, there is a difference between having the miasm and the disease itself.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Agree with Brussels. It is certainly a zigzag... kill, mop up, kill, mop up. Sparkle I also believe this is just a stop en route to the next round of killing.. unfortunately, the path to wellness will always be roundabout for such a cmoplex illness.
But this round of mopping up may take awhile, and when you resolve it, you will probably feel a bit better..until you start killing again.
Brussels--when Dr. K says to focus on organs and matrix, he means not to use the chelators that hit the brain first right? I recall him saying to start with EDTA. But most of us are on stronger chelators... I've been chelating non-stop since I came back from germany last October, and I'm still dumping. ALA, metal-free, HMD, OSR, chlorella, pectasol, the whole armory.
My doc says my metals are down to 30%... still too early to be hitting the brain so hard?
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
syph and TB miasms come up commonly on AI, and were successfully treated in first round for me
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
This is something to take note of regarding the order to treat organ function & pathogen. It would be hard to tell in each person from the beginning unless you did some kind of energetic testing. None of this was evident for me from lab tests.
I guess time will tell in my case. I don't want to do anything until my liver is feeling better. My liver has to process whatever toxins are created either from pathogens or substances.
This is a big thing for me. It's a major shift in my treatment.
FAR-INFRARED RADIANT HEAT (FIR RH) TYPE REMEDIATON FOR MOLD and OTHER UNIQUE DISEASES
Dr. Hildegarde Staninger, RIET-1 Industrial Toxicologist/IH & Doctor of Integrative Medicine Integrative Health International, LLC
excerpt -
"The use of the biological pesticide Bacillus Thuringiensis for mosquito control alone in Santa Monica, California left a tale of illogic.
If you use a biological agent that is now called a biological pesticide that is made up of the DNA of a Bacillus bacteria from soil and the other half from the DNA of syphilis then it is only logical that 6 months after spraying you would get an outbreak of syphilis in individuals who had some blood generational relative in the past and have an epidemic of this disease.
It is simple homeopathic logic to the synthesizing minded environmentalist."
---
Someone posted here about a week or 2 ago about unusually high tests of people with syphilis in CA... Some suspected it might be Lyme.
Just goes to show you we really don't know what we are being exposed to which may have bizarre results that can effect our health.
***Moderator note: I have updated the web address posted. ~Jenifer ***
[ 05-27-2009, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: Jenifer ]
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
More -
I've been looking at the computer for a long time tonight & I want to get off so I won't write a long post.... BUT
Some of you may want to look into Pleomorphism & Gaston Naessens...
I think this is what Sanum uses to base some of their remedies on. I've researched it before but I don't recall everything.
[ 04-25-2009, 01:48 AM: Message edited by: sparkle7 ]
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
My thanks to Selma for finding my tubercuosis, and suggesting effective treatment. I don't know if I would have made it without her wisdom on this.
I'm a bit doctor phobic, but raced to the hospital for this one. They told me I had an autoimmune disorder and sent me home! (They already have me pegged as rheumatoid from my initial lyme duck visit.)
My family has the tuberculosis miasm, but I think I picked up the active infection from rubbing my eye after using the public gym equipment.
This happened when my immune system was down because of severe exposure to mold mycotoxins, which I am highly reactive to.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
The third link Sparkle posted has this article explaining the work of Enderlein. I got in contact with all this literature because of Sanum. That's exactly what Sanum tries to correct, the milieu.
The critters are just one part of the treatment.
thanks for posting the nice images on third link. The video is amazing, Sparkle. I didn't know they change SOOOO FAST, as the film is taken as seen (not faster). It's AMAZING to see these 'somatides' (what I guess Enderlein calls endobionts) LIVE!!! How they transform so fast from simpler forms to 'life' forms! Many are disease causing forms.
Since I started reading about Enderlein, I always had this impression I was learning somehow how life evolved.
The link between bacterial / microbial diseases and cancer for me also shows the origin of cancer is in fact a bad mileu AGAIN. Then bad pathogens are allowed to grow (or grow because of bad milieu), then at last a bad chronic condition (cancer, or like we all are fighting here, chronic infections non-stop).
When I read that most cancer patients who died of cancer have candida infections too, that was a 'light bulb'. This was seen in some post morten research on patients. It is normally seen by oncologists that 'because of cancer, one develops other microbial diseases, and candida is one of them'. In fact, what Enderlein and all these pleopmorphists are trying to say is that it is probably the OPPOSITE.
That bad mileu causes candida that may cause cancer...
That's why I thank lyme disease too. By learning about that, I think I also learned about anti cancer therapies, anti aging therapies, etc...
Photons may be good stuff for fighting cancer too, then!
Thanks for posting, Sparkle!
Mucor racemosus and aspergilus niger are such self created critters, our bodies just produce these critters out of 'nothing', probably like shown in the video. It is not like get them killed and get better after. Something that any killing-only therapy will rarely accomplish heal as they will get back if one only kills.
I guess that you are in the phase of cleaning now, like I am too. Once you are better, you'll probably get back to killing, but now, no way.
I wonder how is the mechanims of having such infections after vaccinations becoming active. I'm sure there's something interesting on that pleomorphic way of seen things that may clarify things.
Our infections, certainly, don't come ONLY from outside. I've been thinking about tuberculosis too...
[ 04-25-2009, 04:55 PM: Message edited by: Brussels ]
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Hi Brussels,
Thanks! People in the UK are definitely open to alternatives, I think as with people from anywhere else there are some that are skeptical and others are open.. unfortunately the problem is that there arent many realistic treatment options around for people in the UK with lyme apart from abx...and a lot of people do improve a lot on abx though of course whatever treatment path you take it not always straightforward.
I am just very lucky in that the company who sells the Bionic 880 in the UK just happens to be based in the city where I live and they found a practitioner who bought one and offered to treat me. So I was the first person in the UK who has had this treatment for lyme. As far as I know there is only one other practitioner in the UK (in London) who has a Bionic device. So photon therapy for lyme is essentially very new here and not many people would have access to it.
Another difficulty is that there are not a lot of alternative practitioners around who are experienced in treating lyme disease anyway and all the problems that go with it and this is even more of a problem if you cannot travel very far to see one if you are housebound. We only have a handful of LLMDs too.
Also people have a lot of difficulty claiming benefits because the system disbelieves that they are truly ill and this prevents people from being able to avoid private alternative health care.
So understandably a lot of people go for the best/easiest option of trying to get abx from their GPs or consult one of our very few LLMDs, or if they can, go to the Breakspear which is a private hospital that treats lyme with oral and IV abx and offers many supportive treatments too...though it can be expensive.
I am more familiar with the detox side of things than my practitioner so I do all of that myself. I did plan to go to Germany to see Dr W and had my appt booked for February but unfortunately was too weak to travel in the end.
I did have good some good improvements back in January but have slipped backwards again...like many here I have quite a few problems eg metals, poor endocrine system, gut problems and I suspect as my endocrine system is so messed up this might be part of the reason I am not making steady progress. I have just started taking thyroid meds and going to take small doses of h/c when I need it to see if this makes any difference.
Thanks for all that you share, its always very interesting to read your posts! :-)
All the best.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
The pleomorphic concepts are really mind blowing. I started reading about Sanum products a while back.
It was hard to get the grasp of it all. I ordered one product from them but I was just a beginner in all of this. I still am in many ways...
I can't really do anything until my liver heals. This is a big blockage but I guess I'd have to deal with it one day or another. I can't believe it's so painful & no doctor I saw ever mentioned it.
I'm doing the lemon & olive oil drink Bob posted ages ago + a bunch of support supplements. I like the lecithin. It's good for many things. I'm feeling better in some ways, so it's a bit weird.
I'm living in a new environment & the sun is ultra strong here. It's been close to 90F & very sunny. It's very different from living in the north. I'm trying to get used to it.
I got a bit of a heat rash on my face. I think I have to plan my day differently than I have been. Maybe get up earlier & take a siesta. Anyone know a good heat rash treatment?
Interesting to hear about your treatments, Shimmy. Keep us posted. I suspect there may be a connection between the liver & the endocrine system but I haven't done enough research into it.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Joey, if your doctor has been doing that chelation for years, trust your doctor. What I see is that there are different protocols and people keep swearing by different protocols. Like lyme...
If you trust your practioner, go by what she's proposing you. I trust mine, and I go by what they proposed me. Now I don't see them anymore, but it's always good to refresh memory with dr. K's ideas...
The brain being detox at last looks to me a LOGIC order, because brain damage or neuro damage is the last thing any of us would like to have. It also looks logic to me that the matrix shall be detoxed first, as it is the first place where toxins are dumped.
Chlorella is said to detox matrix and the main organs well, but it doesn't go in the brain nor intracellular, as far as I remember. Hundreds of papers on chlorella, it's not only dr. K. There is one main problem with chlorella is the AMOUNT. In doubt, take more.
I just changed the way I am testing chlorella now. I know the results I get from measurign chlorella and the results my ND gets are different. I am sure she asks different questions than I do. She ALMOST always gets much more chlorella measured for me. As for any other supplement, I became so good that no one measures for me anymore, they trust me 100% for years now.
What I am trying with chlorella now is not the question 'do I need chlorella?' + 'how much I need?', but have just changed to 'Is this the maximum of chlorella I am able to take'?
Yesterday, I got a big surprise, as I got a very very high amount of chlorella and after a very good feeling. My daughter got almost as much as I, but her body is about 1/3 of mine. Today, I'm back to fewer (about 9 , while with the other question I got only 5 for months). My daughter today got though about 12!!!
I don't know if I got the right question my ND does to measure chlorella for me though. Who knows? But I'll stick with this new method to see where it will take us, specially because we are now again on the DETOX phase. Our killing stuff (light and Sanum) dropped to a couple of things.
ALA will detox brain, as well as zeolites. I don't know about the other stuff.
Posted by lymeparfait (Member # 14268) on :
Selma or anyone, What techniques do you use to keep your regulation open when asking the energetic questions?
I just received my biotenser and need some help. I don't think I am open, as it doesn't move too much at all for my statements.
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
Wow SELMA !
This is EXCELLENT! I have been doing this question exactly as you ( haev no idea why but seems to me logic) ...that I used to take herbs and everything else based on to reach certain exstremeties.
I have herxed a lot and I have cleaned the toxins same way.When I told my LLMD , got upset as I was overdoing things.I trusted myself...and now that I am in remision per her..she is doubting my diagnose.I have never told her the entire story as I recall you including once.
That once the Doctors know you are treating youself..NO body wants to deal with you .Is busines......
SELMA I know this thread is for the light and BIONIC.
I was shocked yeasterday while RIFING ( parasites )read below why .I recall you asked for parasites..before..( have been very busy on treating myself since I found out I have salmonella typhy ( very old infection that came out _ and ricketsia TYPHY ..... after dowsing.It seems like I am going backward to my oldest infections..that have been lurking for very long time in my system ..they are comming up while some are GONE.
RIFE is better for parasits and WHEN you can not treat with VIALS..you can use frequencies...It is imposible to get vials for each disease.S I dowse and see the forms and test all the frequenceis based on CAFLS list.The large parasites are better with RIFE...
The photons seems to be better for the very small bacteria , bugs or parasitic ( as small as BABESIA -even though does not eradicate it ) herpes, viruses, etc...
I will never let my rife get dusty .Mine is diferent from others and Based on test for me seems that is better than Coil and other RIfe machines..also because THE EMF has been taken under the consideration from the one that created it.
THE KMT that I have tried is much safer than RIFE ( considering KIDS) and my rife is OK for kids as well that is why I bought it very exspensive...for my son .
But seems that KMT is more on stoping the reproduction mode..whiel rife can really kill and detox...the man that created my machine has frequencies for detoxing stemaing kidney and liver before you do the killing than stabilizing frequenies..that I use ..always as an end of treatments
Remember that I use all the testings to come up with a solution..so I use , herbs , drugs , dowsing , biotensor...And VIALS for many things I have and I compelte a program myself on what is the priority to be treated.
I know you are AHEAD of me and YOU have been the only person that HAS inspired me ( while I have the smaples on a book that came with my rife that that is what most ND and chiropractics use in their practices anyway ) ..that I can get to that stage.AND IT PAYED OFF.
I thank you from MY heart for everything you share and have been there for me ( on other forums ) while I was near death.
ALso wante to share tha I found 2 ticks yesterday in my house.
1 was right after my RIFE machine.I would have never seen it as it was 11 pm.Was RIFING and put that into a vial.
Sit down to make sure that was a tick.it was so small dark with some few patterns that I could barely noticed.
I tested and they were 6 infections on it..Got my biotensor and put in a row...all the vials...( almost 200 of them ) and test all the herpes , viruses, lyme and coinfections..
The idea came from you that tested 2years ago a tick in the house.It came that the very little one has FRY BUG -I repeat FRY bug infections ( it did not wave towards babesia but to FRY BUG) and second was ehrlichia, than Bartonella, RMSF, pseudomonas than BORRELIA.So the load of borrelia was the last one...That is why people have symtoms but not strongly SICK from it.
THAN I found in the morning at the door that is facing the hill and the trees...facing my backyard...I sow the large one that has felt and was dead( due to pestizides that i used last year ) sorrounding my house...
The one in the house was alive ( I asked and found it got in with my sons back pack that throughs it on the floor at the school play field..
THE VERY LARGE one that was BLACK and a little head brown almost 10 times BIGGER that the little one...I TESTED and came 9 infections in it.
THE VERY FIRST ONE WAS BORRELIA.
Second was Mucoplasma fermentas, 3rd one was BABESIA 4rth RMSF 5ThFRY BUG 6th bartonella 7th viruses 8th candida 9th pseudomonas
I stoped testing and I was mad mad as HELL .If I dream for anything I dream to have 1 million dollar I would pay off this house BURN THIS HOUSE DOWN and move to a apartment as in EUROPE that GETS you to the 15 floor so no tick and no Mousquitos can come up there ( you know what I mean ) but ironicly here they cost up to million dollar and never see grass in my life or walk on it.Sorry I am venting and I mad as HELL.
I have all the vials and took my biotensor and tested all them
I was terrified. Than I went ahead to ask HOW MANY time was I bt and WHEN .Seems that I have been bit right when I came into the house.
The OWNER had a dog and THE carpet has been changed years later.I was bitten 6 times.The final one was adult that bite me and put me in death sentence ( borrelia main infection) the previous bites was from small ones that made me come back from work and fell in bad tired to death ..
I saved them in vials to show them to DR J and my Dr ..The post is long and I might need to delete the post as I do not want to highjack the post for this but wanted to share .
But I thought YOUR information to respond me on how to create the SELF MADE vials from ticks that have given you the same infections is pricelles .I already have the protocoll that you gave me a few months ago.( but thought that might be as a recond here for the others to know).
This confirms my diagnose that i have had HIGH LOAD of bart , ehrlichia , muc fermentas, babs , fry bug , ricketsia , BORRELIA , viruses...ALL OF THEM NO WONDER....I was sick to death in 3 years with CRAZY symtoms.
Thanks good I asked and said there is no anotehr tick inside.I gota buy somthing with GARLIC so even me CANT stay in this house .ANY SUGGESTIONS in what can I put at my backdoor...they walk from the grass field..towards the concreete towards the door .EXACTLY where we live our shoes.
Sorry I am not proofreading ( too mad to deal with it now ) .I just wanted to share .No wonder the first winter we all kept running fever and ALL I recall one night screaming ..what IS WRONG here with us ...we are all sick.The nightmare started from that point.
HOW much can a IMMUNE SYSTEM take with all these infections.This house took away from me everything ..if I can BURN IT DOWN maybe this WHOLE angry situation that is not doing me any good right now is going to let me move on with my life .
Also with all THESE ignorant DOCTOR ( OVER 50) the last few years..that WERE CLUELES and were deniying the diagnose as it does not exzist here in MY PLACE.If I could turn back the TIME I would have stayed in europe and never step in here .My closest friends both of them are showing symtoms so their KIDS...THIS IS CRAZY !!!
[ 04-26-2009, 01:42 PM: Message edited by: Alv ]
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
That's pretty wild, Alv... I have read that diatomaceous earth is good for pest control. I have not tried it, yet. Do a search on google - you can buy it over the internet & at some health food stores. It's related to zeolites - so, it's non-toxic.
CAn anyone tell me which test kits are good to own. I'm interested in maybe getting some for future reference.
Most people would not find all of this significant about the ticks & testing them. Thanks for posting. It's difficult for people who have not gone through this illness to appreciate the significance - even so called doctors...
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
PS - Yes... I think about that, too (re: staying someplace where there were no ticks & what lead to my moving to NJ in the first place).
I lived in Brooklyn, NY & I moved to NJ... If I stayed in Bklyn - I probably wouldn't have gotten Lyme. We can't time travel back, though.
We just have to do the best we can & try to make good decisions about what to do now.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Alv.. can you mention the name of the rife machine?
All, I am wondering about rife or KMT scheduling also using a photon device.. like photon therapy, break, rife.. wondering what is best way to space (not energetic testing proficient here )
Same thing with herbs.. can you take any herbs or supps at all when photoning.. then if not, which it seems NOT with antimicrobials, then what kind of spacing.
I wonder if a non contact rife with a wide range would kill infections in ticks. Like sweep the house.
It almost seems inevitable that we will continually be exposed to these pathogens and there has to be a way the body will adapt to that with some assistance or body awareness.
I have no idea if this neuromodulation therapy works for sure... one premise is to inform the body of pathogens in the first place and turn it on to them.. which is what we manually do with photons and with AI.
Bruce Lipton talks of an experiment of cells in a dish of amylose. The cells did not have the capacity (enzyme) to use the amylost for energy.. and that was its only source. So what happens? It develops this capacity (starts producing the enzyme) on its own. What's different here? Maybe there is isolation of information and a need. He keeps talking about need being a part of evolution or change.
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
R62 I already PM you.Actually I have not done anything withour testing and after a year..every thing I do is based on the answer...on what my body needs.So I go based on the answer on what is my priority for my body right now and I follow it whatever the answer comes and I aply it.
SCARY thing though as I found out that My son was bitten 3 times from the BIG ones and he was 5 and 6 years old 2 tims.He has insisted that since than HIS life was never the same.
The adult one is that YOU GET NEURO BORRELIA right away.I found exactly when I was bitten .I was lucky that I was right in the antiparasitic and had ARTEMISIN on it.That is why my babs came out now...as I have suspresed it back than with HIGH DOSAGES of TAPEWORM protocoll of HULDA CLARK .I thought I have had parasites as things were crawling into my body ...
I am still mad and have been mad all day ...NO wonder he HAD BRAIN LESSION and biofeedback showed his IMMUNE WAS SHUT DOWN...how can not.
I am going to call tomorrow AND SPRAY EVERY INCH INSIDE THE HOUSE. Yes I have thougth myself so many time IF there can be something that can wipe them with a machine.YES when you use COIL machine ( have heard from some ) is very strong and you rife the people that are in the same room .EMEM does the same ...BUT COIL IS VERY STRONG...
I have been so mad and feel even worst hurt thinking what he has been through 3 times and no body could help he was in bed 3 weeks high fever and both time THE DOCTORS said is a VIRUS....GRRRRRR I am so MAD TODAY .
God help me to get over it...I could not even talk to anybody on the phone today .HAVE stayed in trying to swalloy this bad feeling On how my son had to suffer unnecesary from this.
How can the goverment deny the diagnose , have good test for it and harras LLMDS and not to warn people that come from other parts of the worlds and Know nothing of it.
The only thing that I got WAS the WARNING of WEST NILE virus.But MY son was bit by EEE as well.Biofeedback showed and the VIALS test DID also.
I haev been talking and telling every one about it.Is just have become my life.My people HAVE NO IDEA of it...even for the name would SAY "IS WHAT " WHat is CALLED ? LYME?
YES they can not even say COinfections..and bac k than I could not even say it either as YOU do not learn that world IN ENGLISH classes !!!!
With maddness that i am I would really be happy to go in 1 bedroom apartment just knowing that no ticks will come into my bed.This is a nightmare...Have to call first thing of tomorrow and get them shipped the order.I am really scarred of my son as he is a kid.
I regret every second for moving into this country .It is sad on how much this country has SANK since I came in...is nothing to like about.I do not know where to start and count the disapointment.EVEN THOUGH I have had GREAT JOB AND was able TO BUY A HOUSE In 2 years here .BUT is not worthit living here.From every perspective.
I have told my family not even to think about it.MOst of people from MY place have really regret the idea of moving here.NOw is hard with kids in college and you can not leave hem behind ..It is very hard.We are very connected to the children.Their are our LIFE.Total diferent mentality .
[ 04-26-2009, 09:13 PM: Message edited by: Alv ]
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
Oh Sparkle just read your post .
Diacematous ( spelling ) I have a very very large bag about 50 pounds.I covered basement first floor and second floor and broke my new vacum cleaner last summer to clean it after I kept the powder every where...in each corner and I through lines with 3 inches wide.I am not kidding.
I use it as cleanser for parasties as well...pending on how it tests.That is where I found the DEAD ADULT at the line of the door as it was stuck there .
Just asked about my daughter.It seems that she has FRY bug mostly as she has been bitten many times from the popy sid ones..and she is functioning .Me and MY SON were bit by adults..OUR CD57 is MINE was 90 than now 112 , My sons 92, 1 year ago.
On all the test that I have done with MY LLMD BART , EHRLICHIA ...was very high (came this were very old infections THAT I have had prior to that big bite and I have collected 3 strains of bart so far ) ...but I was functioning before the deadly ADULT bite.
MY daughter has FRY BUG mostly positive .She almost is done with bart and ehrlichia( she killed LYME ) and No muco a few viruses and herpes...CANDIDA came up high..NO WONDER ..SELMA mentione d2 years ago that she found CANDIDA.How surprising that we blame antibiotics and actually we get it from the bite.
ALSO FRY bug makes her sick as well ...but not SO SICK as LYME enchephalitis.THE ONE my son got WAS THE BIG one.JUST tested and had 2 strains of BORRELIA -BURGDOFERI and GARINI included.
I have tested over 1 year myself..but I have been tested with BIOFEEDBACK , and doctors IN EUROPE as well here many ...and I ordered the vials based on the test ( everything on BIOFEEDBACK was TRUE in my body so in my son) and we tested with somebody in europe .THe person had an arsenal of vials..BUT I Was carring every single box of DESBIO with me.
THAN I have done many order..but the orders in my case was done based on the fact of testing ( previously based on biofeedback ) than ordered vials on asnwers from AI and than from what the doctor found.
later I exspanded myself the arsenal.Based on my test.I have a VERY LARGE catalog and have gone over it..in details.FUnny thing is that HULDA CLARCK( when I studid her books by the T and did EACH of the protocolls that she has included -they saved MY LIFE including 5 liver flushes as my CHEST was so tight I could not breath chocking to death)
So based on her book I even went back to my family story and back to remember each tiem I have been sick and googled all teh symtoms and tested all of them .
YES I use a picture of bacteria when I do not have the vial.If it comes consistantly positive ( I try diferent chart) than I order the vial.Funy thing I just made an order in EUROPE..they will ship at my family in GERMANY.I used to send them in ROME as well.
Than I asked if it was a smart decision spending all this.It came that a certin amount was not necesary.Than I went in detailds.it came that coxiella bruneti (european disease) was not necesary as the Q fever that I have ordered in another place in EUROPE was covering it.
When it came was true.Ricketsia can cause Q Fever and typhy.I was first testing the RIFE.I reacted tremendously ..I could feel inside my throught head , muscles , knee and my feet.
Since I started treating it I FINALY got a fever 100.5 .This is the FIRST FEVER that I am running in 7 years that I HAVE BEEN SO SICK ..NO wonder with all this infections...collected EUROPEAN and US.
So comming to this point was a very hard work and a lot of searching ..I never gave up looking for an answer.My rife WAS the one that DIAGNOSED my disease.I tried the frequencies on all of them 2 years ago.That is how I figured out what I HAD.
That is exactly WHEN I found about my son.He was in bed complainign that he was sick and YOU could see him SUCH a beautiful BOY ( I recall my friends that used to say HE IS FOR CATALOG and I have had saved his picture in my computer screen at my job ) ...You could not belive he was sick in two years -near death .
So basicly all the vials I got are based on testing on what MY NEEDS are ( thinking of my past disease ) and are because I confirm with rife than When consistant I look for vials ( from almost 7 companies even imprinted included from all over the world) .
That is HOW I spent every penny I have had and my father helped me.He hated the idea that WE WERE swolloing the ANTIBOTICS as candy .
NO body KNOWS what is going on In your brain and how sick you are ...comparing to another person that WAS BIT from a little tick ..
The diference from the little ones from THIS BIG ONE IT IS HUGE.Your life is in line.I have been there and I know how in within 1 month if not overnight YOUR LIFE IS IN DANGER...
I know I have bitten many many time from the little ones..BUT THE BIG BUG was DEADLY and POOR people that GET bit from it.I pray FOR ALL OF THEM .
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Alv, so sorry to see you are still so stressed with the ticks. First thing to do, order the mosquito barrier, it would be a good start. I heard it's good. I usually do my own garlic juice .
This year I think I'll try doing garlic homeopathic to spray around, less work and will test if they work as well as this garlic juice. I inspired my recipy from the Mosquito Barrier, as it is about almost 100% garlic juice.
the only problem is that the homeopathic dilutions will be washed out faster with rain while the real garlic juice is oily and probably stays longer (I did once every 3 weeks).
Don't use insecticides, don't do that. Now I'm trying to detox pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and insecticides. I got a big reaction yesterday, I had to DRINK olive oil to try to pull some of the toxins away... Don't use insecticides, it's bad for nature as a whole (and WE are part of nature!).
Second thing, best tick protection remedy I ever found so far, is borrelia burgdorferi LM6. You get a tick barrier against all ticks containnig borrelia (which is about 90% of the ticks that bite my cat or more, if I remember well, according to energetic tests of my local ticks).
I will also test this year a special product, but I still don't know how well it will work.
My cat disappeared for about 2 months now, so I don't have with whom to test... He's probably in the woods now. He did that twice before, so I'm not too worried.
He might come back when he gets sick (if he fights hard or gets sick with whatever, then he usually shows up again).... He's my best tick-repellent remedy tester. He was wild before (and still partly is...).
By energetic tests, this 'product' (individualized) tests good as preventing ticks to approach us, but who knows. These are one of my recent tests!
I would first go by what is known to work (garlic in the garden AND sprayed on exterior walls of your house up to 1m high), take then Borrel burg LM6 preventative (I wrote somewhere here the dosage, do a search)... Then trying other aditional means.
Funny you found candida too. It's so common here in the ticks I found. I once read a publication saying that too, but I couldn't find it again. I could just find another publication about other type of candida (not albicans) in a tick that I posted in the other thread about 'how many pathogens in a tick?'...
My daughter is the one that falls sick with GI candida almost every tick bite she got. Even when she takes no ABX.
It is also curious that everytime she gets active borrelia, she gets immediate GI symptoms. We just finished treating candida albicans and candida parapsilosis for her now. Now we're after bart. I do feel synergy between candida and borrelia too!! Mine are also dormant since borrelia got dormant.
Try also as remedy Arnica 6D. It tests so good for my daughter that I clearly suspect it kills more than bartonella.
Keep the ticks in strong alcohol solution (I would do on at least 70% alcohol), or smash them in strong alcohol solution. Let sit for at least one day, and then throw the tick parts away. Big or small ticks, both can contain loads of pathogens. For me, it's not the size that counts... Nymphs I found in my cat had also a lot of pathogens.
In case someone at your place falls sick with something, you can keep these tick soups as 'nosodes' for them. Never ingest these, of course, but you got to prepare the homeopathic dilutions.
You just need to photoon the dilutions (or even the mother tincture), depending on how they test. Keep the mother tinctures safe somewhere out of reach of children. They may be useful as you live in endemic area.
Once you and your kids will get better, I hope you'll lose the tick trauma. I swear I can sit on grass and walk in high weeds even when I got no repellents. Not too long ago, I would be very stressed.
Kids around me are also getting bitten, but they don't fall as sick as us. I tested two of them, one I know gets bitten every year a few times. Before, she never tested borrelia positive. This time, she did test though. She's having headaches... but if my daughter tests borrelia positive, she gets arthric pains, heavy tummy aches, she can't even go to kindergarten. This girl still has a 'normal' life.
Not everyone falls sick, probably due to the milieu and to genetics. Of course, the big pathogen load is a problem. But the children here are exposed to the same ticks that infected me and my daughter, but they don't fall nearly as sick... So, the pathogen load is not the only explanation, even if it complicates things, I agree.
I guess you also need LOADS of detox too. Killing- only will not solve it all, you'll probably be in the Pandora box forever...
It was the first time I did this insecticides / herbicides / fungicides detox. It made me tired, my kidneys got more stressed than usual. I took the olive oil + lemon juice yesterday. I just discovered that blackcurrant and Vit C tests good to help me detox such chemicals... Chlorella doesn't help, it seems.
I'm enjoying my higher doses of chlorella. My skin rash from metal mobilization is gone. I still have some hand rashes from Mucor racem and Aspergillus Niger, just in two fingers...
Duaghter also stabilized with pathogens. She's taking only two 'killers', Fortakehl (for normalizing GI flora) and Arnica 6D for bartonella. Borrelia stopped testing again. I'll keep though testing her, because we both still probably need the higher potencies (up to 1,000K dilutions).
Borrelia garini seems to be dormant! She needed so little treatment!
I wonder if I don't get the bartonella series of Desbio for photooning her. I can't find bart nosodes here.
I heard though that photons don't really kill bartonella? Do you have an opinion about that, Alv (or anyone else)???
Now she's testing strong for the pesticide detox. I'm afraid to do with her, but I guess I gotta try. I'll probably do the photons in less time than what I would do and see how she reacts.
YEs, Alv, can you send me an email about your Rife machine? Is it LESS strong than usual ones? I'm not intending to buy one now, but who knows one day. It looks a good preventative for new critters (like against this flue in Mexico!!...).
If all nosodes of the planet would be available, I wouldn't buy a Rife, as I do think the photons work well for small critters like viruses, bacteries.... But without nosodes, the PE1 is a limited machine against infections...
Alv, where did you get pictures of bacteries? Can you tell me? Or, are you talking about slides?
-- I remember when you started posting long ago, you could barely write, your mind was soo foggy and confused. I understood about half of what you wanted to say, no kidding. Now it looks to me your brain is working, despite the fact you are still very stressed.
MFT can help so much with stress, Alv, if you have time for such treatments. The tick trauma, disease trauma etc... One day, you'll need to address these problems too, that's my feeling.
I'm amazed to see how you became a good energetic tester. This also shows that your regulation is probably working better too, despite infections.
Did I tell you the 60 bugs + that were testing for me are now almost all quiet? Borrelia has to go dormant, bartonella too, and so must all types of candida... Probably the mycoplasmas (I see that for my cat)...
I feel these are sort of head-masters of an army of infections. Once these 3-4 things get dormant, many others will get dormant too. They are immunosupressive (not sure about myco though, but the other 3 for sure).
Once we are too busy killing, there's not enough physical time to go after the other more important things (which are energetic blockages, psychological blockages, thorough metal detox and other toxin detox, mouth detox)...
In an ideal situation, one would have to deal with all these stuff at the same time, but I know that when I'm on the craze to kill the multiple infections due to excessive number of symptoms, I have to concentrate on cleaning the dead body debris and that is all I can handle in a day. ---
Someone asked above about opening regulation? The best thing to do is to tap MFT points for at least 40 seconds in each point. Most people get open only with these 9 points, but some need other techniques.
If you have a closed regulation, the only question your biotensor will answer correctly is 'how to open your regulation?'. It looks like magic, I know, but that's is SO true.
I think I understand why... The regulation is not close like opening and closing a tap. A total closed regulation = death.
So we are never really 'close 100%'. Even for open regulation, there are levels of being open. More open, less open. It is on a gray scale.
The more you are closed, the less answers your body will tell you. The more you are open, the more answers you'll get.
the more you are closed, the closer to 'death' you are, so your body will only answer how to save you from that URGENT situation. It will NOT tell you how to correct minor problems.
If you are very open, your body will ask you to tune smaller things, minor things too, which would never come to tests in a more urgent situation...
Dr. K. says that what kills are not symptoms, even if these are very bad symptoms... What slowly kills is a constant close regulation (I assume it's because your body is not functioning well in all levels...)
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Selma you are quite right about open and closed regulation. Many of the folks who have lyme without symptoms are still quite open. I suppose you could test for that. Our bodies can learn to live with the organism for awhile before succumbing to illness. Illness is an eventuallity, in my case I've had lyme since I was quite young based on my doctors assesment. So I went, probably 40 years before symtoms manifested.
Like sparkle my biggest issues are with the liver which is getting much better with each cleanse I do. Just did another liver cleanse this weekend and have been symptom free since. I am symptom free right now.
I also ingested my 6th borrelia nosode to remove the remainder of the lyme proteins from my body. The problem with dead lyme is its ability to come to live again. So getting rid of the energetic frequencies and the proteins is to fully cleanse from the organism. I think lyme is truly gone from my system.
I'm still killing other infections but I seem to kill and detox much faster now. I'm curious if this persists. So I'm using a lot of killing things, mostly herbs, like garlic, noni, mangosteen, ashwaganda at times and triphala. All testing very strong. Along with some homeopathic remedies i have from my LLND.
As for the liver, I ordered some magnesium chloride, lecithin like sparkle recommended. I'm working hard to kick start liver function as much as possible.
Sparkle look up astaxanthan for sun exposure it might help.
I test and appear to be extremely open. I could break a biotensor if I let too much energy out.
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
Brussels!
Thanks so much for all your TIME ! I hope that other people can be helped from this post.I recall myself 2 years ago when I used to read your posts (I was already familiar with how the body works) but too late to learn the DISEASE had a name for it LYME and COinfections.
Before I used to see a very short paragraf and honestrly I could not comprehend at all.I lost my memory and could not remember my birthday no kidding in 2006 .I have had to look up in my wallet and would stand in the middle of nowhere to find what I was going to do ...I was a goner.
Yes the regulations are very very important.I recall my ND before I was diagnosed with LYME that HAVE had to give me TONS of cleansers for my liver kidney and suport my adrenals as they were SHUT down.My heart could not survive..and it took her 3 months to open up the regulations.
I was sick to death ( again I have done already 5 liver flushes and many cleansings for almost 2 years before I found out ) when I went to her.
Yes my regulations are open now.
It will take me more than a year to reach the level that I need to treat traumas and emotions ( even though AI seems that have helped me) .Only this last one really brougth my range back as I was testing the ticks and I found out that my son was bitten 6 times but only 3 times were within 1 year .The adults ones.
HE used to say all the times that EVERYTHING turned upside down when he was 5 and 6 .That is exactly what I got for answer.
I will write you for the machine.
As for the BART I have tried everything for it even IV blood iradiation....as the only KILLER when I was opening my regulations ....as I could not take any killers...My doctor would not allow me as I could not effort any more toxins from bugs in my body .My life was in line before.
THE BEST THING for bart is HH.NO kidding.My son had a very high level of IT with test( no wonder as I found bart on each TICK BITE).
I also found out that BART and ehrlichia in this ticks go together....( no wonder -mino , rifampin azithromacin is the best drugs combo as it covers lyme bart and ehrlichia even muco if that is in) but it does not eradicate bart...
HH have proven that is the best.My sons was in very high Dosages OF RIZOL my .He tested for 80Drops a day ( no more they stop testing ) and 8 HH capsules, Garlic ...he is taking other things that is testing for him ....but HH is the only one that has reduced it.
No homepathy ( I have all kind even imprinted) did not eradicated this one.
BART and LYME was always my priority and I have been saying that for years .This two are really the ones that make everything worst.
I tested for bart ( in remision with ART ) but finally lower than 25% first time ever.I got my first fever 100.5 that I did not have in 7 years.
YEs Brussels...the bugs are oportunist...but THE one ADULT is not a JOKE.It was as big as my finger nail the little one ( when you cut them short). This one was no joke.This one was deadly NEUROBORRELIOSIS.
FIRST one WAS BORRELIA.This ones are the ones that can put you in meningitis and enchephalitis state...within 48 hrs..This is what happened to me and MY SON.We blowed up like a BALLON and were totaly transform as our spinal cord was INFECTED severely with 9 infections.
NO WONDER my son came up with 50 infections..He still has a lot to deal with .I have less as I can eksperiment MORE with my self and I have done liver flushes...he can not he is just a kid.
I know when you talk about your daughter , my son had the exact same symtoms..but is was more severe than your daughters as he was treated almost 2 years after .So beyond cronik with lession in the brain.
I have been able to go over a catalog and test all them ( having in consideration the background where I was raised ) .I was told by another women ( that was in contact in a diferent forum) that she does print it if she can not find VIALS.YES I wish that YOU can have vials for every thing BUT is imposible.
There is so many pictures of the many disease ( after you find a strong yes suspicion of the infections type from testing -I use PENDULUM -is the PERFECT thing ever ) and reinforce the quesiton using biotensor.
If I finf the frequency in CAFLS list I test if there are beneficial frequencies for me at this and that one....If I get a HIGHLY positive answer ...I ask for HOW MANY ( than I get the answer) than I go over each of them ...and I get which one is for that day.Than I ask for each of these and the minutes I need .
I first run the frequencies to steam my kidney and than MY LIVER.
Than I ask ( you need to drink water same as with photons) how many minutes break should I have...IS LIKE giving your body cleansers as SOLIDAGO AND HEPATICA( I use them for my son ).
Than if I need to wait I get how many minutes...than I start treaments.
I have records for 2 years in a row, doing this.
Over the months as one goes down the others show up ..EXACTLY as peeling off the onion..and I treat only based on what is priority.So even if I get a positive test ..and it does not give me a YES as somthing else is holding up ...than I do not treat it.
Pendulum has given me more oportunity to exsplore.I have many tens of charts build up ...with the major names of the disease...that actually point on what was priority for me.
So for treatment types that is the most important to deal with each pathogens and so on ..for cleansers...and what else shoudl I do
Over time I exspanded my charts and broke down in branches (is like the root of the tree ) and you go further and further...
that is what helped me to get to the RIGHT name of this and that
I also listed all the drugs and HERBS ( that I know of ) for treatment of one or another BUG and HOW MANY things I would need to treat this and that infections.
First I asked what is the best treatment ( based on that chart) than I move on to the chart on how many things need to me...than I move on the the chart of list of drugs and herbs ( than I know of can treat it ).
LATELY I found that I know the number but I am not aware of a name of a drug ( and herb) that is out there but I have not heard of so far...to treat the FRY bug.
So I go with what is the best treatment from what is out there( based on my google search ).
THE PICTURES of the disease are ( from googling ) and print them ( colored if you can ) and have them in front of you instead of the vials.
Also you can find frequncies for somthing that is causing pain.I knew I have had nematodes.I could feel one moving in the corner in my head.But seems that the frequencies of the CAFLS were not touching it.
IF you search them there are hundreds of them .So I took the picture and asked if there is any frequency that could help me kill it before giving me a migrane.It said YES.
Than I go ahead ( with the picture in my hand) and ask how many ..of them is beneficial for me .But AGAIN that does not mean I need to treat it RIGHT now.I still need to know if that IS BENEFICIAL FOR ME RIGHT NOW.
Than I go ahead and move into my chart that has a build up custimized with frequencies from 10-10000.
So I need to exsplore on how many digit has the first frequency and when I find 2 of them means ( tens) I go into that chart...
SO on ..so first you find the very first frequency DIGITS number than you exsplore for HIGHER or lower frequencies like ABOVE 10 or lower than ten.. until you jot down the first number and than you move to the second one WHEN you get a stronger answer that will be closer to what you need.
I am not sure if I make sense.So when I find that the 3 frequency that followes the second one has 4 digits..I need to jott down by aksing if it falls between let say 1500 and 1600 by asking question...until I get closer to the right answer .Than I go further for the tens level and than further to the ones..
AT the end I ask for all the frequencies....if this are the right ones and how many minutes each one. This one is the toughest as it takes so much energy( i know when you say it takes energy from you ) but when there is no option in CAFLS list this is the way to go.
All the gadegets helps A LOT but none can do the job for all. They accomplish each other for the luck that I mentioned before.
I was amazed and I could feel the BUG beeing killed and hurted like hell.1 hr later I have had to take COLESTERMAINE that tested very strong. 2 hrs later..GONE.I could feel that moving from my jaw TO WARDS my head.I know by heart and questioning what is hapening now...
It is funny HOW EVERY TIME I test ...It remindes me that you used to say.WHAT I learned from this DISEASE NO BODY COULD take it AWAY FROM ME.
ALSO a DR in EUROPE...told me that will come a time when I have the energy to just look and feel without even trying the BIOTENSOR or pendulum.It is like you said ...the ND test the vials..and once you feel that energy ...you stop...and you know is right.Have you thougth that you have CLARVOYANCE ( spelling ) abilities .( I will send privatly an material) ...
It seems that certain people have been born with the gift ( and not every one has the ability to use it for good -when the PERSON does it can become VERY POWERFUL) this metods have existed for hundreds of years when no lab works could exist back than .
I tried to exsplain ( the person that told me have had hard time to exsplain them in writing with me too- Write me for more details ) but I finaly got it.It is very important to BUILD the exact CORRECT question to exsplore.The findings are unbelivable.
I will pm YOU !!!!
THANKS from my heart for sharing! If that is too long let me know.I probably will delete the posts.Mines are way to long !
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Alv, your posts are not too long. You just keep writing!!
Selma and Bob, I agree about partially open regulation. When mine is "closed" I can still test for things, but it is like listening carefully for a distant voice, rather than a loud boom!
Will somebody please explain the term "mileu" in more detail? Thanks!
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I did a little test with my bobber today - it says my regulation is open on a scale of 1-10 - I'm a 10. I always felt that but I figured I'd check it in any case. I never really thought about regulation much since I was always drawn towards this kind of thing.
Anyway, I don't mean to be bragging. It's just something I seem to be able to do pretty well. Even though my liver is really in pain - I can somehow separate my physical influences from my higher consciousness & still stay connected. That's what it feels like, anyway.
A few times I felt a bit overloaded & couldn't use the bobber but it usually passes in a few days. I think meditation helps to increase the ability to use a dowsing tool.
Still in alot of liver pain. I think it's been about 2 weeks. I was getting kind of worried but the bobber says to just keep doing what I've been doing & it should start to get better in a couple of months.
I'm doing the lemon & olive oil blender drink & I got a big increase in the dosage (via bobber) in the Liver Life drops. I'm testing NO for Bb, mycoplasmas, candida, parasites.
Seems like the liver was the big bottleneck for me. It really hurts & it's making me feel very frustrated, agitated & kind of angry. I think all of these emotions are associated with the liver. Interesting! I kind of feel like punching a wall or something & I'm not usually like that.
When I took the mycoplasma remedy - I got really anxious. Seems like these things really do connect with our mental states, more so than just brain fog. My liver does actually feel congested & it makes my mind feel congested, too.
No wonder people start getting so nuts with all of these pathogens. There must be some chemical in all of them that creates moods & influences brain function aside from what may be physically observable.
When you have a bunch of different pathogens - it probably confuses the brain with all of the chemical signals. Then, you combine it with physical & mental stress, EMFs, emotional issues & you got a big mess & brain fog or Lyme rage...
Thanks for the astaxanthan suggestion, Bob. Didn't I send you that a few months ago? I forgot! I used a cold washcloth & it felt better. I read cilantro is good, too. I'm making a tincture of it now.
That mosquito product sounds good! I'm going to get some. I wish they used this instead of DDT when I was a kid. They used to have these fog trucks drive through the neighborhoods when I was a kid & everyone would ride their bikes through the mist... Can you imagine!!!???
Talk about needing to do a pesticide detox... I'm going to look into that after this liver disfunction heals!!!
I ordered the concentrate for the Mousquito and tick , flea control.The person told me that has garlic and many mix of oils.I want to spray it in the wall all around the house and windows( careful though as are oils in it).Was free shiping option over $50.I will use the one inside in the porch and around the wall.I liked it as it has other oils as well not just garlic.
When I called the company for the mousquito barier I was told is not for the concrete areas that is around the house .Also only to be used with a pump in the grass and trees.This is going to be the next order.
This one is perfect to spray the entire area SO EVEN mousquitos that are as dangerous around here do not like to come near by.But is mostly based on GARLIC .
YES pesticides are a problem.I know that with the light you can treat and detox about every thing pesticides, fungucides, fertilizers, and even antibiotics that have been used.I am not at the stage right now but this is what I am going to do once I put in the remission all infections.
Also with rife there are a few frequencies that can do that BUT I do not think that is the best gadget to deal with it for that purpose.
KMT can come in somtimes as well to fill in on what the others can not accomplish.Brussels has already talked about it before.
I have even read that you can get EMF vials imprinted to treat and detox ...fluorides, clorox , anestezia ( have been 2 time under it)bleaches ( not anymore in my house)paint mixes etc antidepresent about every thing.
As I am doing AI as well I am probably cleaning( my body is getting the information) some of these and time will tell what else will be left on me.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Alv, thanks for explaining your testing method to find Rife frequencies! It's a bit too complicated though for someone without a Rife machine like me... But it would be worthy to have one in case we get that pork flu!!!
And good to know you did loads of charts to get your pendulum working too. I just recently discovered that is a way people go pendeling, even some physicians...
I'm doing a bit of that inspired by that book, but I don't feel too confident yet with the pendulum. And also, with the homeopathic vials that the book proposes, as I'm not THAT familiar with all those substances (I think I know just about a hundred of them, because I used them, or someone I know uses them... ). The rest are too mysterious for me...
Funny you test with these google photos! I did that a bit, but again, I don't feel too confident (even though I get very strong answers). I guess, like someone said, confidence will come only after experience. Glad you feel some confidence and that you can re-check with Rife frequencies to see if you caught right.
The most important is the Chinese proverb: the truth is what works!
I keep doing these critter name testing, and still getting answers, but again, I feel it's SO much easier with these homeopathic vials. With them, I feel like I can 'touch' the critters, so concrete they get (I mean, their energy is so present in the testing vials...).
No, I don't think I'm clairvoyant or similar. Even far from that!! I think anyone can do energetic tests, if they got an open regulation. The more you do, the more your body gets used to. In the end, you don't need to do these tests anymore with instruments...
The mechanism to find out right substances only with the hand flying above substances is about the same as most energetic tests, I think. Nothing too special, it's just that the antenna (biotensor, muscle test, pendulum) gets interiorized, there's no visible sign for the others, but the sign is clear to the tester.
And it feels it has nothing to do with my brain, if you see what I mean. It is disconnected, the same way that these bobbers and pendulums feel when testing. As you say, the most important thing is to create a good question.
It is REALLY not magic. As I told you, now I can use about any muscle to muscle test, even my neck muscles. I still though trust MOST my own O-ring test just because I'm used to it. It's by far the one that consumes me less energy.
-- Alv, did you buy these detox nosodes from Meripharm (with fluor, clorine, etc?). If yes, how do you find them? Did they work well?
Thanks for the tip on bartonella. HH capsules !!! It sounds great. So the photooning of bart seems NOT to work as well as borrelia!! I can't track any bart symptom in her, but bart slides still test.
The Arnica D6 tests as a sufficient treatment, but I don't know, if she can't clear bart in about a week, I'll try to get my hands into HH or similar capsules then...
--- Sparkle and Bob, lyme or organ problems will not necessarily close someone's regulation. You are right. During my lyme treatment, my regulation was almost always open. Same with my daughter.
Sometimes though a simple thing like a metalic ring, 'bad' shoes, a bad feeling (psycho problem), bad weather, and so on can close someone's regulation.
Bob, funny you are in another phase now, the killing phase again. I am also having some trouble with the couple Mucor + aspergilus, but apart from that, I'm basically trying to do more detox.
Today was an easy day, so not much trouble from yesterday's detox treatment.
Funny taste in my mouth coming from my throat since doing the insecticides through photons... I wonder if I breathe out, if I won't kill the ants that try to invade my kitchen!!!
Bob, my 'intuition' says you still have the real borrelia hidden! They may show up a bit later... I'll send you something (borrelia 1,000K) for you to test. You are right though that these high potencies do more protein cleaning than actual borrelia cleaning!
But they can come back to normal living forms.
-- Sparkle, I also have that feeling that critters do enter our 'mind' in all the senses. I still believe that, that we are all 'borrelia people' if not all these other critters too.
I remember one day, when I got rid of one of the fungal strains that were with me for decades, I felt so suddenly sad, as though I lost someone I liked a lot. In fact, that critter made my life a hell and the only think I wanted was to get rid of it for ages.
When it actually happened that I got rid of it (or I felt the critter had left me), the feeling was not of relief, but like losing part of myself!! Call me nuts. That is what I called myself at that time.
When people with candida say they crave sugars, I always think WHO in fact is craving sugars??
At the same time, when I know that we have more FOREIGN cells in our bodies than our own cells in shere numbers, and that the chain of our DNA gets transformed during our lifetime to include many of the critters' DNA... well, that makes lots of sense for me. In the end of our lives, our DNA are almost more THEM than ourselves...
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I just saw that Meripharm has the following vials to detox TUBERCULOSIS from vaccinations:
My infection only stopped being active after I treated with the BCG nosode through photons, not before! I don't want to even think that I got sick with TB because of that vaccination. But this idea is still screaming in my brain!
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
About regulation - it seems like the only time mine gets closed anymore is when I am dealing with mold, yeast and fungals.
It can be a case of candida, mold in my environment, or something I ate. I have been dealing with a strong allergy or "negative sensitivity" to these.
I'm thinking that some physical, emotional, or chemical issues can immediately get us disregulated, and that is what we are calling an allergy or sensitivity.
I have to wonder what exactly the disregulation process is. My hunch is that when I come into contact with something my body knows is "bad", that I try to shut down everything to "keep it out."
I may have to re-teach my body that the best way to deal with a problem is to extend my energy, not withdraw. Just a thought.
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Selma, I know what you mean about feeling like you are losing a part of yourself. I think it is human nature. The process of brain washing or hazing is to put somebody through a grueling and emotional experience that results in them bonding with their abuser, captor, or captain.
I think the same thing happens with these little critters. We become emotionally attached to something we have endured such an emotional struggle with.
Frightening what you are saying about TB and the vaccine. I'm so glad you found the solution for yourself.
Sometimes I want to be able to go forward three hundred years and look back to now, and see these "dark ages" of what people believed about medicine.
So much of modern medicine will look to people in the future like blood-letting with leeches looks like to people now.
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
Selma!
I have not used yet this vials.I have a catalog of a COMPANY in USA that can make them imprinted.I have not reached that point but is amazing that you can treat and clean them.
Right now I am still treating with AI.Just tested on many vials that I have had imprinted based on my AI test.I thought I would treat them .BUT no need .I have 0 level of MERCURY in my brain and tested DMSA and ALA that has been in my shelf for long time.
I was waiting to shut up LYME and than do a A.CUTLER protocoll but since I did the AI is not necesary .I still have MUCORS many that I am not ready yet to clear them .I still am clearing like 24 ( totals) of chemical in second treatment with AI.
I tested my daughter she was positive on DMSA and ALA and also same level reinforced it with the MERCURY vials.YES she had acumulated in her body so far a certain small amount ..She understands now and wants to get treated for every thing .She gets it after so long talking to a teaneger.WAS VERY HARD in the begining.
Selma is true that this bugs have changed us.So do the metals as they go together.Funny as it is true when I killed bart from my brain ...and lyme , I got a calmness feeling and NO HYPER ( you know what I mean ) jumping from the skin.
I kind of felt sorry that I CHANGED and could not feel the SAME ME.WELL I am the same me as 15 years ago now..but that hyper feeling and rush and run and get the things done fast is gone.Weird though how this bugs made our brain run 1000miles per hrs.
Bejoy .Do not be surprised.In EUROPE they still use the leches.I even asked my mother in low if she can find them for me.I have my father in law that has EHRLICHIA .He has been using LEches the last decades in his legs and makes him fill better.
I recall my mother in law that she mentioned when she saw me swallowing 100 of pills a day so my son , as she used to play and have a sunday with her grandmother and as a treat she will have the leches on her hands and feet.
They still have clinics where I come from that they allow the doctors to treat with what they can and save lives.I was about to live when I was on my sickest to get the IV and help from FAMILY and I knew how to test and get myself the right treatment.
I needed to be close to DR J for my son .He was 7 and he was fighting for his life.I still will ask them if they can send them to me.HONESTLY they will help me to get rid of the few bugs of whatever is left in exstremeties hands and feets..and I KNOW THEY KNOW HOW TO SUCK the bad bugs . My father is law was hopping that they could help him here ,Ironicly the doctor here after he exsperimented with him and brought him several times to make some apointment..he ended up giving him back the dosages of medications that he was taking as in EUROPE.
Ironicly MY father in law had to learn his lession as HE WAS HIGHLY THINKING of medical system in USA.After he GOT SO WORST on what the doctor gave him here he got disapointed..I told him but he needed to get his leson.Sometimes you can not force people.Even when you try to help them on what is best for them.
Ironicly here they have tried to close the doors to any of this metods as is not the HEALING that they care about .IT IS ABOUT SELLING THEIR DRUGS and maybe make you spent ALL YOUR SAVINGS so they can get their profits.Everything in USA seems Like BRAIN WASHING to me .Ironicly this generation in here has fallen victim already .
I am stopping right now as really I can go on and on with this SYSTEM that was THOUGHT to be SUPERIOR ..ok ok ...stopping now..
Remember this .There is not anymore the chance to share , OILS, LANDS....countries and influences have been set in stone.They run out of option to recirculate their money and get the profit out of it.
THEY are using our lifes for it .AND WE HAVE SPENT every cent to keep our selfs alive and our kids as well.THEY do not bring out of school HEALERS but SELLERS of drugs.TO ME THEY ARE A JOKE.
It took a mothers LOVE to save her son as HULDA CLARCK to find the correlation of BUGS and toxins and come out with ideas.SHE used her syncrometer to test.At one time I was about to order it and use vials as she did.
She has kits created with the most general diseases.Using the syncrometer was her idea to give people in general to try to test and take care of themself as NO BODY was caring anymore about their helf.Had become a business..
It took Dr K to bring it to another level and people linke SELMA and a few other practitionars that use this metods to get to the root of the problem..faster than any COMMON DOCTOR out there that are cought up on how they can sell more drugs rather that help the patient to heal.
I think at this like that .ANYTHING that is MAN MADE is not good for the BODY .ANYTHING that is GOD MADE should be for us .
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thank you Selma - for bringing it to my attention what "open regulation" means. I found some info about ART testing but it's kind of complicated. I don't think I was seeing what "regulation" was in regards to Dr. K's technique. It has a different meaning for me.
In my case, I just feel a very strong connection to my bobber or dowsing. Doing the actual muscle testing is harder for me. The bobber or pendulum seems to give me some objectivity for some reason.
I think If I could use charts & use the bobber, it would be better for me than using muscle testing. I would have to get enough info from Dr. K's methods to try to do it that way. It may be easier for me since I'm a visual person.
Can anyone recommend where I can get further info about it? I'd like to try to learn more. I don't know if I could translate it into a way I could do it with a bobber & charts. Any thoughts would be appreciated...
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It's very interesting about this concept of trauma & brain washing...
It related to the pleomorphism concept - TOTALLY...
I'm very concerned about the current events these days. It was very concerning to me to see what happened in NYC with the planes flying into the city's airspace.
I lived near NYC during 9-11. For people there to see planes flying low in the airspace was like reliving the trauma of 9-11. In combination with people there having the new swine flu bacteria in Queens - it's very concerning...
This is why I don't have cable TV anymore. There's too much trauma on TV - all of these programs, competition, violence, gore, sex, news of horrible things happening to people, subliminal stuff, triggers, etc. All of this stuff makes me think of mind control.
I know exactly what you mean, Alv & bejoy. If you read about pleomorphism, you will see how this all effects people's health. It all makes alot of sense.
Then, you consider vaccines, pathogens, GMO, mercury, chemical exposure, pesticides.... All I can say is "unbelievable" but it's real.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I just lost my post, answering to Sparkle...
Well, it's too late to re-write it.
I'll just post this link about heavy metals, pathogens, and causes.
I find it interesting and important. It talks about Enderlein remedies too.
There's some more about ART there.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
What a GREAT article.
subconscious conflict -> deposits of metals -> altered milieu -> chronic infection.
"(Guenther Enderlein) found that infections cannot thrive in the body, unless the milieu is changed in the first place."
I am now taking my first pleomorphic therapy, Roqueforti (from Penicillium Roquefort) to treat milieu leading to systemic yeast. Anger is the underlying infection (this is the only emotion we've had to treat multiple times--it goes back 8 generations)
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
subconscious conflict -> deposits of metals -> altered milieu -> chronic infection.
Then: Chronic infection -> cancer, heart (coronary) disease, migraine, autoimmune condition, allergies, degenerative diseases of the brain...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
sparkle, I posted a long answer to your ART article (it's good, but old)...but it got lost.
It's only 105 dollars if you buy the 4 DVDs before May 1st.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
My goodness, there are so many wonderful ideas and discussions going on in this thread, my head is spinning (again)! I'm not complaining - I like my head to spin.
Alv, I hope you are saving those ticks in some Vodka or whiskey, even if you don't have a use for them yet!
Asking the right questions when dowsing/energetic testing: Yes! This is one thing I learned long ago when attempting to learn to use a pendulum! I could not get by with a very general question. I can get an answer ONLY within the confines of the question I ask. I found that (for me), a question that is too broad will yield an answer that may have limited benefit. I always felt I had to ask a series of questions.
And along those same lines ... as Selma and others have said, not all `infections' we might get after a tick bite actually come from the tick. We already had them in some form.
For example, if I am `testing' a tick to see what infections it carries, shouldn't I also ask questions like ``What existing infections/conditions will become ACTIVE in me as a result of a bite from this tick?''
That might yield a whole different answer, right?
Using charts does sound very helpful indeed - a great way to narrow down the search. I'm sure this took a lot of your time, Alv. Sounds similar to those remedy tables Selma found in the medical pendulum book....
Joey, is this a `homeopathic' Roqueforti? Is this a Sanum remedy? Is this something in addition to the AI?
From Dr. K's article: The `Enderlein remedies' - are these the same as the `pleo' or Sanum remedies?
Your post made me think of my favorite saying (the 2nd time I've been reminded of it this week....hmmm):
``Harboring resentments is like drinking poison, and waiting for the other person to die.''
That describes just how destructive smoldering anger or conflict can be, and I totally believe that this can go back several generations.
Keep up the good work here! I hope somebody knows how to archive this thread....
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
Yes Truthfinder!
My knwoledge of reading and exsploring products and sharing with other people since 5 years ago in curezone.com made me come to this point where I am today .
Also , all the trials and errors I have done trying EVERY product in the world and self eksperimenting on my own when I still did not know about lyme brought me where I am ( I have followed every thing that HULDA CLARCK had on her book and no body in ALL CUREZONE .com could do it -I tried it with no question -My heart beilived in it ONCE I READ that book )-It saved my life .
I felt like the doctors are trying to help but having the disease , eksperimenting and chasing the patterns...makes you more than a ekspert than the doctor itself..that is helping you based on treating the others but has not been on the same shoes as you you.
For me to get better ..I still need to work on with my body as my doctors job is done ( based on them I AM FINE not really ).As I know there is so many things I need to do as BRUSSELS is DOING for my immune to really get back in track .SO that is where my LLMD job is done.
I am glad that I did not give up as NOW I can really go ahead and treat myself..and I am sure that BRUSSELS is "CURED" by her doctor but she is doing so many things...that will really cure her for real .
TO my eksperience ...that I have meet many good doctors but I combined the protocolls that are based on MATTERS( as Science ) and MIND Power I found that using only one side would not have help me to this point.Combining YES.We are all diferent and priorities on treating a person it sure not be based on ONE FORMULA.
There are many unknowns in a equation in eash person and knowing which ones are most important efecting ones body and treating him /her based on that is the only way to get out of the SITUATION that him /her came into first place.
Also I have been using for 2 years non stop the pendulum.When I have had bloackages I knew I was not ready to be confident on it but I kept practicing beiliving that one day I would be able to reach the level that I would get the right answer .Biotensor was easier at that time.It is time that my efforts are paying off.
I recall Brussels continued and beilived on her test and I recall on how she found that "THE FLOWER " needed the "LOVE " and she gave it to her before she died - just by testing and her way of exsploring was testing alfabeticly .It was one of things that BRUSSELS inspired me .
I sent Brussels a material on how this metod has existed for centaries and only KINGS have had the luxyry of the benefits but has been used for many things in this world...finding water , medicine , ( WARS -locate the ships of the enemy in the sea just by using the map -I know is scary ...etc etc...making decision and even compatible people...etc ).
Once Lyme got in remission thinks got in higher level of my confidence.It took me almost 5 months HUNDREDS of hrs searching and building charts and practicing pendulum non stop ( only testing my friends to know about them it takes 2 hrs for one of them -no kidding ).Knowing the main issues I help them build up a protocoll.
I have build DETAIL ONES. It is exactly same logic as building a program in informatics that one thing leads to another even in more details( and when is unknown at least you find what group is classified and how many forms it has and what can treat it ).
I have created even charts of different treatments to jot down what really can eradicate it or reduce it at least and see the % of reductions.I go even into details in the diferent parts of the body .
I noticed that MUSLCE TESTING( art) does not show that the bug is completly eradicated rather that the system is not efected by it.But at least was for me the tool that brought me here.Pendulum sends me even in the highest level of knowing.
Over time searching many disease I was able to rebuild all my charts over and over.
I finally created detailed charts on even dosages, frequencies, clasifying the type of bacteria , detailing if that has more than one form etc etc.
Also I have created charts to find what really eradicates or reduces this or that infections or solve the problem.Timing of it.
Priority of treatment.I follow the path ...give the body what it wants at this time even though I could have many active infections or things going on.
I have seen that using other aproaches have sent me no where.The bugs communicate.I have noticed that alway metals , or chemicals, or bloackages , or emotions ...one of them is a gatekeeper to the others.If you do not go through it and find what is the priority you are stuck and go into the circle and retreatment accurs.
Consider it as ONE door leads to another otherwise you are lost and you go back and forth.
EMOTTIONS is the main issue for me -fact and PROVED and I KNOW for sure that that was the reason that open up the doors to LYME and other disease to exspand into my body.
I just have to give my life a diferent direction to find peace in order to overcome this disease.
As time goes by new questions arise.And the conclusions are rechecked and brought to a higher level.That is how I feel now.The posibilities to know are endlees...
NEVER NEVER GIVE UP !!!!
I always have been lead by KNOWLEDGE is the POWER!Having an open MIND , exsploring and learning every day of my life.I feel like I HAVE BEEN IN SCHOOL ALL MY LIFE AND STILL AM.
But I always loved school and challenge.This was my bigest challenge and I I did not give up with FULL BLOWN enchephalitis ( meningitis) encapacitated mental situation.
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
HI Sparkle, thanks I will do. Just re your point about the liver and endocrine system...I think its very much two-way, when the liver is underfunctioning this can lead to poor amino acid synthesis and therefore less hormone production and also it puts more stress on the thyroid & adrenals to pick up the energy slack - I know when I did some liver flushes a few yrs ago my energy skyrocketed although it was only temporary.
Conversely in hypothyroidism & low adrenal states liver detoxification is slowed down considerably, esp in hypo where liver enzymes can rise and cholesterol can build up.
I noticed that when I took some thyroid meds (just thyroxine) for the first time in 2 yrs, 2 weeks ago, I passed dark urine which I hadnt done for I dont know how long. So it seems it immediately helped to push some toxins out which have probably been going around my system since starting photon therapy.
I believe that part of the reason I havent made as much progress with photon therapy is due to low hormones slowing down liver detoxification.
I guess if you just have to support all the systems dont you?
I think I should do some liver flushing soon too.
Hope you're feeling better.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Thyroid and adrenal issues:
If the person has a low temperature, or the thyroid or adrenals test weak, be aware that the majority of adrenal issues involve excess cortisol.
"Adrenal exhaustion" is less common.
Consider testing for a need for Biotics ADHS which reduces cortisol, and for Biotics Meda-Stim which aids conversion of T4 to the active T3.
When I was very sick, I took T3 homeopathic to get back to producing T3. I haven't taken a look at cortisol. Maybe a better 'solution'?
I also did the iodine through skin (first through kelp, then I found out I got same results just rubbing iodine solutions for wounds)...
Thyroid, I think almost every lyme sufferer had to treat it one day. At least, that is what we see in lymenet.
Same as liver toxicity. No one escapes.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I just did an Aloe Vera D20, testing good as antioxidant. One bottle of Aloe Vera will last then the next century to me...
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
tracy -- can you freeze the ticks thaw them and then put them in alcohol. Just wondering if freezing preserves any of the energy signatures within the organism? Like alcohol. I wonder about this because of the emoto experiments with water and ice.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Here's another viewpoint. Lyme over time toxifies the liver and by doing so affects the processing of t4 to t3. that cascades to adrenal fatigue and low thyroid production.
quote:Depressed liver function, due to a toxic or sluggish liver, can also influence the conversion of T4 to T3 via cytochrome P450 activity, resulting in low T3 levels (see my previous article on "Functional Medicine" for more information on systemic toxicity and hepatic function (DC, Vol 17, No.8, April 5, 1999, or at http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/17/08/04.html ). In general, the use of a combination of urinary excretion tests and morning axillary temperatures is far superior to serum studies alone, which miss many cases of mild hypothyroidism.
In the same text Sparkle posted, there's a VERY interesting technique that unblocks things, called TWO POINTING.
"Two pointing is a useful technique. Let's say you have found that they have a stressed gallbladder. Press on the gallbladder and the arm goes weak. You have also noticed that if they press on their hysterectomy scar the arm goes weak. So we have them press on their scar and we press on the gallbladder at the same time and the arm goes strong! This shows that the scar is causing or contributing to the gallbladder problem."
This is a GOLDEN technique to find out blockages in our body. I use that almost every day, if not with me, with other people.
-- another very good tip is the PRIORITY TESTING that uses K-27 point. It works very well. Just hold your two fingers (thumb and index) there and ask 'which is better for me?' or something similar. If it doesn't work the first time, it will work the second time!
---- On metal chelation:
Cilantro D6 (home made) is sitll my main chelator. Pure tincture never tested for very long for me. I suspect that the homeopathic version is both stronger and goes deeper into areas that pure cilantro doesn't go.
It is testing good for quite some time, I'm having some metal release as I feel like herxing after it and need an uptake of chlorella.
It can also be rubbed on trigger points, skin, etc. But beware as it detoxes the brain, so not for chelator starters!!
Chlorella D6 tests good for my daughter. Not still for very long, but it tests as also helping to take metals off. She's on normal chlorella though, but her body still asks for this chlorella homeopathic (I mix 30% D3, 70% D6).
For me, it is not a big help though. My daughter so far never tested for cilantro, that I remember. She may be more in the beginner's phase from metal detox compared to me. I believe, most of her metals came from me (placenta and breastfeeding)...
I did the PESTICIDES vial yesterday for her, first time. She just drank loads of water and in the morning said her lip was better. We ate at friend's place and they used a sort of plant that tested HIGH in pesticides.
She ate just one little piece, and her lip got big and dark red a few moments after. It didn't clear until today!
I suspect her heavy metal load is very high, poor girl. I am going to target that thorough detox with her from now on. I suspect that is the main reason why she fell sick so fast after first tick bite ever, when she was 2.
Before, I was too sick to treat her or didn't have much experience, but now, here we go! I'm going to target all heavy metals first after reading the Five AAs from dr. K.
All children's diseases with A (autism, ADHD, allergies, asthma, atopic eczema and I forgot which else) come back to the same protocol involving heavy metal detoxification.
For autism, now he is stating that there's only ONE CAUSE. The cause is called Hg, mercury. That may be controversial, but that shows how much he believes mercury damages the brain and CNS.
His advice, never stop heavy metal detox until the child is healed. I decided to follow that to the line! I don't want to see her growing allergies every year as she's doing now. ----
Now that our infections are low profile again, we are only taking Magnesium homeopathic too. NO more orthomolecular stuff! No problem so far.
-- I don't know why, but the only thing we keep taking real is chlorella and Omega 3, which can be seen as 'food' more than supplements. The rest, for some reason, the homeopathic version in a specific dilution tests MUCH better than pure herb / or real substance.
I suppose that homeopathic things help our body to adjust to the problem, while mere supplementation makes us slave of them. Like CoQ10. Take it and your body will be needing it forever. Take the homeopathic version, specially if photooned, you won't need that FOREVER.
Besides, I DO feel homeopathy reaches much deeper in many more levels.
It is maybe because the infection side is solved? A few years ago, while I was still on herb-ONLY, I couldn't swear by homeopathy as I do now. I felt my body craved all those herbs and supplements!!
When I think about the reason, I am not sure what changed...
Perhaps the photons and dr. W.'s protocol (that is almost all homeopathic) helped my body understand the homeopathic message better than before. So does my daughter and the people I 'treat'...
Perhaps photons enhance homeopathy like others here were saying, even if NOT photooned.
Perhaps, when we get better, homeopathy works better?
I've notice this tendency that we all at home prefer homeopathy to the original substance in the last months. That is why I'm trying to wonder why. ---
AS for Hulda Clark, thanks for telling us your experience, Alv. I just saw dr. K. sells many HC books in his site in Great Britain!
Even the HC zapper.
I thought about you this afternoon, and I am really amazed with your will to live and get out of sickness, and how you developed all these testing charts DESPITE having been so sick.
I remember few years ago, you could barely understand what was written, and I couldn't understand what you said, not 100%.
It is great that you could find a bit your way out! You are an inspiration to others! You are still sick, but I am sure MUUCH better than before.
Thank your for having sent me so much info about your Rife machine, zapper, etc!!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Tracy, yes the roquefortii is a SAnum remedy and all Enderlein he talks about are Sanum (that I know, as these are the only pleomorphic remedies that I know so far...).
Anyway, I never caught him talking about another company, so, I suppose these are Sanum exclusively.
The roquefortii version is called FORTAKEHL here in Europe, a very very useful remedy for GI issues. We are always coming back to it, specially when lyme gets active. It's a D5 dilution.
It is considered a foundation remedy, together with Quentakehl, Notakehl...
I have to go out & do errands. For me the liver issue is up front & center right now. I am feeling better but I still have back pain from my liver.
I'm going to continue to detox in a variety of ways & I'm taking some liver supplements. At least I'm able to move around. My back pain was so bad I couldn't even walk - so, I am improving!
I may do liver flush #3 soon.
I do want to consider the thyroid issue after the liver. Also, mercury detox. This has been great info you have all posted!
Also - Alv, would you consider sharing your charts & info with us? I'd love to take a look at what you have put together.
I do graphic design... perhaps I could put your info together in a way that we can all use & post it on the web or in pdf form...
I'm not sure if there would be any issues with copywrite or ownership with you. We could discuss it further if you would like to share.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Interesting way for intake of homeopathy, through breathing it!!
the roqueforti is one of the foundation remedies, as Brussels informed me: Quent, Fort, Not, etc.
I'm using it to treat fungus
-joey
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
I'm not sure, Bob. But the longer you keep a tick frozen, the more `dessicated' and damaged it will become. I'd get it into alcohol and then use Dr. Bobber to test it.
Thanks, Alv. So, you are saying that anyone could use your `charts' - that they aren't `individualized' for you and your family? Maybe you and Sparkle should put together a book of `Therapeutic Dowsing Charts for Medical Conditions' or something!
Just a note - I had to abandon the Hecla-lava treatment for my tooth after about 3 days. Other things came up - another `cold' tried to get me, then my back went out - so, I lost any momentum with the remedy. I'll have to start over. My sensitive tooth will have to wait .....
Meanwhile, after thinking about the whole liver and gall bladder detox issues, and the fact that my bowels are simply REFUSING to move well, I started taking a `liver, gall bladder, and bowel' herb a few days ago. I've used this herb sparingly for years (after finding `sludge' in my gall bladder from taking Zelnorm, a drug for chronic constipation). It has a mild laxative effect on me, but helps to cleanse these organs, also.
Anyway, the herb is Oregon Grape Root (aka, Mountain Grape, Oregon Grapeholly, Oregon Barberry, Alegrita, Holly-leaved Barberry, California Barberry, Mahonia, Mountain Holly, Pepperidge, Sourberry, Sowberry, Yellow Root).
Here's the weird thing..... I found out last week-end at the Health Fair that I am definitely sliding into `insulin resistance' and/or diabetes. (This is actually consistent with my `constitution'.) Before I treat this aggressively on my own, I want some lab confirmation of what is going on and I have an appointment Monday with a new doc. (My great old doc retired.)
I don't think it's my pancreas - I think my cells simply aren't picking the insulin up and utilizing it. I'll try to nail that down. But if so.... this explains SO MUCH of what is going on with me.
But here's the weird thing..... I was reading about Oregon Grape Root and it said:
quote:Berberine (found in Oregon Grape, Barberry, Goldenseal, and the roots and bark of a number of plants) is now the focus of attention for use in diabetic care . In a report from Medical News Today ( Diabetes News/August, 2006), a collaboration of Chinese, Korean and Australian scientists at Sydney's Garvan Institute revealed that berberine could be a valuable new treatment for this disease, ...... [berberine is a powerful alkaloid, and was officially included in the United States Pharmacopoeia from 1905 to 1916].
How weird is that?
So, if I'm going to get a blood test done for diabetes/ insulin, I'd better stop taking this stuff or my tests will be `skewed'!
For anyone interested, here's a little about Oregon Grape Root:
quote:Oregon Grape is one of our most valuable herbs and thought to be unequalled in helping to purify the blood and liver of wastes and promoting a healthy gallbladder. It is also an effective antifungal and antibacterial . Moreover, Oregon Grape helps to treat many skin problems and ease digestive disorders....
Oregon Grape Root is probably unequalled as a corrector of liver secretions. The root purifies the blood and cleanses the liver by stimulating bile flow and releasing toxins. Some American herbalists believe that while strengthening the liver, it will also alleviate liver-related symptoms, such as jaundice, headache, toxic blood, poor digestion and gallbladder complaints. Oregon Grape helps the liver to metabolize wastes and toxins and has been said to be useful in the treatment of chronic hepatitis-B..... .
There are contraindications for this herb, so read up on it before you decide to try it. And too much of it will cause GI pain so be advised. One capsule a day is sometimes too much - it just depends on what I'm eating and how much I'm eating, etc. I just get the Solaray brand from Vitacost.
Ah, yes, Selma - I remember seeing the FORTAKEHL name in some of the Sanum literature I saw..... yes, Joey confirmed. Thanks.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I think when I read the info here I will feel better but right now I am pretty devastated. I got the results of my detoxigenomic panel today and it seems I am completely screwed genetically. In addition to the Shoemaker "dreaded gene", "chronic of chronics gene" and the low msh gene... I have
Will glutathione, methylation support and herbs like oregon grape help? Are you all seeing this commonly with us chronic lyme people? I had a glutathione IV today and feel worse. I hope thats toxins moving out, which seemingly will not be bound in my intestines unless I take something because I have the "dreaded gene."
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Interesting about Oregon Grape Root... I studied about it a while back when you had to look in books & there was no internet! I read it was also good for herpes somewhere. So, it may even be anti-viral.
I don't like to think of being screwed up genetically or that there are "dreaded genes". It's just my perspective... I hope the person you saw has some ways to correct your "dreaded gene" issues, R62...
What did they suggest? It think the issue is that we live in a toxic environment with loads of stuff that is not mean to be around a human environment.
If you had a fish tank, would you pour nail polish remover in it? Is it the fish's fault that they can't detox nail polish remover? See my point...
If you have pet birds near the kitchen... if you use a teflon coated pan, the fumes from the teflon can kill it. Is it the bird's fault that he's not adapted to teflon?
Maybe I'm being nieve or uneducated? I just don't think it helps to feel that you are somehow inferior or screwed up since it may be problematic to detox.
I think there is always something we can do to adjust the balance. Genetics are not always written in stone.
Also - how do you know the test is accurate?
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I was in shock.. better now.It explains alot. I do need glutathion, which has made a big difference for me IV.. seemingly that can be addressed with the suppositories. The rest diet and avoidance of certain drugs. Methylation has a protocol or two. Just so much to process and no where near ready (as far as I can see) for the photon therapy. Does validate what I already knew. Thanks, Sparkle. I am floowing your thread on methylation. thanks for starting that.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Scroll down for the video by Connie and Troy. Dr. W seems to have said that the cells are light deprived just as has been postulated here.
Quote: The Bionic 880 device, which shines light into, and revives, diseased cells, causes a liberation of infections and toxins from these cells. This includes emotional toxins, because emotions are stored not only in the brain, but also in other cells of the body. Which means that anyone who is contemplating this treatment for Lyme should be aware that this process purges not only bugs, but also emotional toxins.
(Heal the Body, Heal the Mind)
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Robin - look at the thread I posted about 714X... It's pretty interesting!
I tried a homemade glutathione suppository last night. It was slightly unpleasant because it stung my butt a bit. Today, I was in more pain than usual. I'm not sure if it's a side effect of the suppository or that I didn't sleep well.
My liver situation does seem to be calming down. I'm gearing up for flush #3. I was going to do it this weekend but I may have to go out of town on Sunday for a fun trip to Charleston...
I can't decide - stay home & pass gall stones or go to Charleston? I'm serious... I'm really into trying to get well. I could do it on Monday but I'm expecting my period (sorry guys - I don't mean to be graphic but this is about health, right?). I don't want to go through both...
I really want to get those stones out!
Seems like it's not all that harmful to try the Yasko simplified protocol. I may consider it in time. It's really hard to know exactly which supplements can reverse poor genetic test results. The subject is very new & wide open. I don't know how accurate the theories are with all of this.
One thing - make sure the lab destroys your genetic materials & does not disclose your data. Some places actually sell or use the materials & the data.
I think I'm going to stick with my bobber. After going through all the BS with Lyme tests, I'm a bit skeptical of most everything these days.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Sparkle--I would be shocked if you didn't have a methylation block. It's like KPU..whether it's written in the genes or not, by the time we get this sick it's expressed in just about all of us anyway.
Epigenetics: each genome block has 30,000 potential expressions..it's information outside of the genes that determine this. (Got this from Bruce Lipton)
If your bobber tests for the folapro, take it and continue taking it (but build up slowly--this is the limiting factor of detox with this protocol). Don't even test for b12 because it tastes great and we can't OD on it (Mercola says 25% of all americans are deficient in b12). YOu need intrinsic factor to utilize b12 optimally. With your detoxification issues you need phosphatidyl choline to bind neurotoxins and dissolve fats & cholesterols in the liver anyway. If you have sleep issues, you need to take seriphos (soy-free phosphatidyl serine) at night. The only thing left is TMG I think, so test for that. I think that covers the gist of it..
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I am following that thread too, Sparkle.:-)
Thank you for the reminder, Joey. 30,000 different expressions. I need to listen again. I still do not understand how the tests arrive at their conclusions.. this "gene" is correlated with this result???
My kids and I have been testing with our doctor for 6 phosphatidyl choline capsules at times.. generally 3. This might explain why.. thanks.
Sparkle, I have an appt with MP to see about further testing. Zyto as well. I am heavily considering the KPU test ( Its 50$) and the metimetrix stool test if the Zyto doesnt cover that. I would rather know whats going on and deal with it and move on. I have constant gut problems after 1 year off gluten and the way my body went down hill after my last round with abx... I am frightened. Tremors and ALS like symptoms AFTER treatment(and my genetic test mention that.. )
I have Christopher's liver cleanse, support here. I plan to consult with MP and my doctor and see if I should wait until I start methyation supps.. this one I liked because it seemed to address the gallbladder stones and bile duct (or so it said)
Then the Hulda Clark liver cleanse if it tests. I dont trust my own testing to figure this out on my own.
Oh.. I wonder if glutathione can make you feel worse for a good reason? I felt awful after my IV yesterday like I was herxing. It was 3 weeks since my last one. I dont remember that when I was getting them once a week. I do remember when I skipped a week, I had more creepies,tremors.
Thanks for the tips, Joey.
It seems the light lets loose everything that does not belong in the cells going by Connie's report.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
What has hit me is the possibility that because of my genetic inclinations and toxins exposure at a very early age,,,, that I may have been storing water soluable toxins my whole life. Heavy chemical and pesticide exposure.. deep south.. lots of insects.. our carpet was sprayed liberally for fleas (bartonella.. lyme.. ??) many times. Out side when mosquito trucks sprayed.. pesticides sprayed on our bodies.. cleaning without gloves.
My doctor has repeatedly gotten that my liver is problematic because of chemicals. We were both a little surprised.
I'm not sure Bb is my primary issue.
So it seems address the liver and start detoxing. And I am wondering how to do that with the photons.. are there nosodes for pesticides and chemicals? Perhaps the Zyto will have answers?
Considerng Rainville's laser kit.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
The light cannot be depended on to replace the light that is emitted from healthy cells. If that were the case, a few treatments with the bionic would cure all of us. But it's a good nudge to get us going in the right direction.
From watching The Living Matrix, therapies like the bionic belong in a class of therapies that get the body to re-organize information the way it should. Disease is essentially where an energetic field is missing or a distortion of information.
What I meant about the 30,000 genes is that some of us may not have been born with SNPs coding for methylation block, but pretty much all of us seem to have developed it either before or during the course of our illness. That's why I think it was an absolute crime on the part of Dr. Shoemaker to call anything a "dreaded" haplotype when gene expression may very well be dependent on information that is external from the cells. I personally know of several people with this that have recovered or are close.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Yes there are nosodes for just about everything, although most of the U.S. sold ones are just vials with energetic imprints. biophotons may cause the release, but mopping up is much more labor-intensive than the release. Be prepared to chelate and bind several times a day. For the release however, it sounds like you would be a great candidate for AI based on your chemical load.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Robin, thanks for posting your results. Without some kind of reference and explanation, I don't really know what it means, or which one is the `dreaded' gene' or the `chronic of chronics' gene, etc. It's been too long since I looked into all of this.
As Joey and Sparkle have suggested, I don't think any of us get here without some type of genetic susceptibility. Don't forget that genes can be switched `on' or `off' in response to certain triggers, so these test results are printed on paper, not written in stone. And what these tests DON'T reveal are the genetic superiorities you may have in other areas.
And, yes, there are remedies out there made from chemicals and pesticides. I'm not sure if all of them are available to the public in THIS country, though. But the `electronically generated' ones are (as Joey said).
Sparkle, same for me - I remember reading about Oregon Grape Root before there was an Internet for reference. I'm surprised that it isn't more widely known as a single herb.
RE glutathione: Didn't Bea Seibert say that the quality of glutathione can vary a lot between manufacturers?
And I wish Oxygenbabe were here to tell her story about glutathione IVs..... I don't think she would mind me telling this - in fact, she may have posted about it. I'll probably get it wrong... but apparently she had very negative reactions when she got IVs at one place, and good results from another. The kicker here is that she BROUGHT HER OWN PRODUCT to both places, so it couldn't have been the glutathione itself. (Boy, I hope I got that right, but that's what I remember.)
Sparkle, you are brave to do another cleanse! I'm not sure I'd have the tenacity that you do! BTW, did you do more coffee enemas in the meantime? I know you said that the first one reduced your pain......
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
wouldn't using own blood with photons target the parasites?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
John, I guess yes, but only parasites in the blood, the ones that will be found in the blood.
it seems, for example, that not much borrelia is found in the blood according to dr. K...
Some GI parasites can be found in stools and one can also make nosodes from stools (I've been reading about that).
Intake of stool nosodes through photons look less bad than intake through the mouth...
You can do nosodes with everything originating from your body and that is an EXCELLENT way to treat infections or parasite infestation, in my opinion, because it is extremely personalized.
Be aware that a single spot of infection can contain more than one pathogen at a time. It could be caused by a bactery, but it can show fungi too altogether, exactly at the same spot. The same way that dead meat will have quite a LOT of pathogens eating it up. Or two strains of fungi at once, etc...
So you need just one auto-nosode to treat many pathogens, but all personalized. The nosodes will probably also contain antibodies your body created against these infections, it could contain some L-forms altogether, toxins related to critters or to your own tissues... So you treat a lot with one single autonosode!
I vote for autonosodes! But the reaction can be strong as with everything else.
The most 'difficult' is to find the right dilutions. Start with D dilutions, they are the ones that usually test for acute phase of infections.
--- Energetic imprinted vials, they are called here 'radionic' in Germany.
Bejoy got a machine that imprint things in water, which I believe, is how all radionic vials are made, and she's happy with it!
I would like to get some more of these vials in my hand to get them compared with real homeopathic dilutions to see...
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Great thread everyone, and I agree with you re the genes, Ive read some of Bruce Lipton too and have always been skeptical of the idea that genes control our destiny.
I guess testing for genes is a double-edged sword isnt it, it might be helpful to know on the one hand as it might partially explain poor detox but I agree with you Joey re Shoemaker, I think that even just telling someone that they have that particular 'dreaded' gene will just lead to fear that they are inevitably going to have problems, and that thought alone could have an effect on our body chemistry and on our cells and whether they 'expect' to get well or become ill. It also takes away our power to change things.
I've not had the Yasko testing done but I take some of the methylation supps, (Folapro and Intrinsi B12), as Joey says definitely start off low and see how you respond. When I started I had forgotten to start on the correct dose of 1/4 of a tablet and took 1 tablet of each instead and was a high as a kite for a few days as if I'd taken something else lol...and I also had some weird brain experiences and 'lost time' and then I realised that the pathway had speeded up way too fast!!
But from my reaction it was also very clear that I have a block and need those supps as my brain does feel a lot sharper and I feel less depressed esp on the Folapro.
From following the Yasko forums there seems to be different reactions to the different forms of B12 some people appear to tolerate methyl or hydroxy b12 better than others. I dont do too well on methyl b12, it seems to stir up mercury in me and I get headaches so have to be careful with that.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Agree with Brussels:
If everything was in our blood, we would all be well by virtue of treating our blood. That is not the case for me and others that have used the Bionic. However, treating the blood is very useful for treating mutated bugs that can't be found in any vials.. these are bugs that are individual to your body.
You would greatly increase your chance of targeting parasites by treating blood, urine, sweat, feces, etc. They are everywhere. To me, the solution however isn't to deploy that big gun as a primary treatment...restore beneficial flora & oxygen and let the body regain control over parasites
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
sparkle--how about alternating with a coffee enema? if you're really in that much pain, my gut feeling tells me you shouldn't be pushing your body like that
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
Hi MOJOY!
I think you are right!
Sparkle !
When I was really that SICK , I had gallblader atacks.So painful and was too toxic.
I did though continuesly coffe enemas.I never ever USED a DRUG for PAINKILLER.If I have had to take a DRUG would have been only antibiotics -to reduce the inflamation to buy time as MY LIFE was IN LINE.
But LIVER flushes...reduced my B12 as that respores in your LIVER. I actually did 5 of them 2 weeks apart.My liver was killing me back than and I did not know that LYME and company was SO ACTIVE and they were all in BLOOD..imagine what was going on in my tissues ( pulled muscles non stop so inflamade) and knees ( swollowed up ) neck bumped and head ( felt like and orange was inside my skull).
I was so week to after I did the flushes..THEY helped me but also ...you need to see if you have a INFLAMATION in there ...and a severe parasitic infection going there.They bloock the biliary track and stop the biles from moving down.
LIVER flushes in this case will not make you better..without KILLING the large parasites in there.I got out TONS of STONES but ONLY when I followed HULDAS protocoll by the T.So I did liver flushes AFTER 6 months STRONG protocoll of doing PARASITES cleansing with the BIG GUNS.
I do not need Coffe enemas anymore.I still will do them when I try to do a strong protocoll that I feel I am toxic and need a painkiller and get them out FAST from MY BODY and I follow with a sauna as well and take binders.SO my herx last very short now.
I know that they my seem WEIRD to some people but they are so beneficial , as painkiller and detox and increase the chances of GLUTATHIONE..productions in the liver.
If you will do them do them ONLY in the morning.It will give you the same feeling as USULLY people look from a CUP of COFFE in the morning when they wake up.
FYI!!! Stones are created based on A DEAD parasitic infection based on Hulda and pushing and trying to get them out if you still have the source them ..will make you go in circle...
I would sugest you to do some major parasite cleansing than follow with 1 liver flush ..It will take time.You also can use the LIVER flushes FORMULA from DR SHULTZE .I have done them all 4 years ago.
They are gentle and easy .Do a google search .His orange juice mixed with olive oil garlic and rest( ginger , cayene) is very good as well.
[ 05-02-2009, 03:53 PM: Message edited by: Alv ]
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Lots of great info, again!
News flash - maybe we could try making a homeopathic remedy of the glutathione! I did a quick test & it came up positive! Then, we could ingest it with LEDs, as needed at the correct dilution. No need for IVs or suppositories.
Robin - my thoughts were the same re: glutathione... Maybe I was herxing from it? If you taste it, it's a bit sour. I'm sure the anal tissues are sensitive - so, it's a little uncomfortable.
They did do spraying in NJ when I was a kid. I have been exposed to lots of toxic stuff during my life, for sure. I am going to consider the Yasko simplified protocol. I'm going to worry about the chemicals after my liver is cleared.
The thing with methalyation is that it happens in various parts of the body - if I studied it correctly. It's responsible for lots of functions. It can be related to cancer, autism & probably lots of other illnesses. It's good to be aware of it.
I'm not sure if there are different ways to affect it. I read Sam-e is a big contributer to methylation, too. I'm going to have to review it all again.
I may do another coffee enema if it tests OK. I'm going to postpone the liver flush so I can go out of town tomorrow.
Tracy - It seemed to me that the only way out of the back/liver pain was to keep flushing. I think it was correct. I figured that the danger signs of having a gall stone stuck in a duct were - abdominal pain that lasts a few hours, nausea, fever, jaundice...
I didn't have any of those symptoms so it was OK to go (any of you guys remember the movie Contact with Jodie Foster - as opposed to Apocalypse Now & the guy in the helicopter- a bit of weird movie trivia...?).
I started taking some liver support herbs & lecithin. I'm not sure of the difference in phopatidyal (spelling?) choline & serine. I believe lecithin has the choline. I'm going to look into the serine. I also ordered some bile salts. I have to pick them up at the store.
i don't think you can address everything with LEDs & homeopathics. Some things are just more physical - like getting gall stones out. I just could not use the light when my liver was blocked up. I had pain in my shoulder blade & lower back - I thought it was the Lyme or some back problems. It was really from my liver.
If you use the light, you need to be physically clear to have the detox function properly. For me it was the liver, for others it may be the bowels, kidney, lymph, parasites, methylation, etc.
You need to be able to get rid of the toxins when they are released.... just my observation. The light & the remedies work on a more subtle level. If there are physical barriers - it won't be able to get out of the body.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
PS - I don't think I have a big parasite problem. I never noticed any coming out of me. I tested NO for them a few times. It may just be that it hasn't come up for me to detox that, yet.
I do see that when people do flushes - you can see the parasites coming out of you. I didn't see anything that I would be extremely concerned about.
I may go back & try the herbs & use a zapper at some point in the very near future. It's probably a good idea to do it regularly for everyone.
Another thing...
If you want to do a liver flush & you think it may be too harsh, maybe try using some herbal remedies that can dissolve or soften up the stones first for a bit.
In my case, I had no idea my liver was so clogged. I do seem to be coming through it all pretty nicely. I'm alot better now. It's not a cure but I do feel very different. I still have a ways to go with it. I'm not done with my liver flushing, yet.
I wanted to begin to detox with NDFplus but it's going to have to wait until my liver is functioning better.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
THe simplified protocol recommends all three forms of phosphatidyl. The complex has PS/PC/PE so you can just take that
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
thanks for the replies! i've used blood + bb nosodes the whole time in germany and 3 treatments at home- 11.77/50%/120 sec but not in almost 2 months. my main symptoms still are muscle/tendon pains in mostly the shoulder blades and arms. sometimes in calfs. and muscle weakness. and the occasional heart palpitations. i *think* if i can get rid of these then i will have "put lyme behind me."
i just started taking more vitamins again, as i went a while without and was feeling depleted. dr w said not to take too much but definitely take lots of mag. so i am. he said that many people get themselves sick by taking too many vitamins.
i was drinking detox tea everyday, occasional burdock tincture, lots of garlic, and water...decaf green tea daily. i just started up chlorella+cilantro+garlic+ water + juices. and i eat an apple, sometimes 2, every day.
i know my lymph system is backed up. i can see it in the adult acne i developed following germany in jan/feb. i also started a lymph drainage tincture from quantum herbs today.
i don't plan on making/using too many nosodes- just auto with blood. apparently the urine is very powerful to use and can be dangerous! so i am staying away from that. i wish i could do a=i but i already started up a classical homeopathic approach. i am not sure if i will go back to photons or not.
i do have a muscle tester an hour from me that is very experienced. i will see him (and her, they are a duo) again in a week or 2.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
njohn- It sounds like you have a liver blockage... I have very similar issues as you.
Back & shoulder pain & clogged lymph are indicative of liver issues. You may want to look into it.
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
sparkle- thank you for the reply- i guess i will down some milk thistle tea and hope for the best! and take more burdock root!
can you tell me, if the stools get lighter in color- is that a sign of congested/toxic liver?
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Ritchie Shoemaker tests for HLA types that do not (according to his research) process out, or process out well biotoxins: Mold, biological biotoxins or both.. the "dreaded gene" (as it is called) does not process (well) out both. There is another HLA gene or halotype that is labeled the "chronic of the chronics" (regarding lyme)and another labeled "low msh". All are HLA genotype tests.
The detoxigenomic test tests for genetics (Joey probably understands this better than me)... all in the liver and there abouts. These cover the Phase 1 and Phase 2 liver detox capacities. That's what I put the numbers out for.
(1) Cytochrome P-450 genes (there are 8 of them which have polymorphisms (defects) or not)
(drugs and even herbs are metabolized here. different genes seem to be associated with different drugs, herbs... also my gene polymorphisms are associated wit reuptake of adrenaline, dopamine and other neurotransmitters, which explains for one my postural orthostatic intolerance or hyperadrenergic dysautonomia)
Phase 2:
(1) Methylation Pathway (COMT) (2)Acetylation Pathway (6 genes for SLOW metabolizer) and 1 gene for FAST metabolizer) (3) Glutathione Conjugation (3 genes) (4)Oxidative Protection (3 genes)
++ means both chromosomes in the gene pair +- means one chromosome in the gene pair
Shoemaker test results for me mean supposedly I do not break down the toxins or tag them for breakdown. So, they can be reabsorbed back into the body via the intestines. Binders or CSM reqired.
Detoxigenomic results means I need to address methylation, glutathione, drugs or herbs that pass through my effected pathways. For example, artesmia, flagyl, malerone, St Johns Wort, and others are all metabolized (or not properly metabolized)through my effected pathway.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Thank you for your supportive and encouraging words everyone. And all the great info!!!
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Whats the PE out of the PC and PS? I keep reading PC or PS from different sources.. so its all three? (Joey regarding simplified methylation protocol)
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
Hey NYJOHN !
Seem that you have a strain of babs.I do have same symtoms.When you see that doctor..it will be good for you to take some ARTEMISIN with you and see if you are positive.
Ironicly if you do not have the right vial you can not kill it.I also found that THEILERIA MICROTU piroplasmosis have many stages.
That is the reson that when you test they have only the stage on blood and when you test with frequencies on RIFE I react to all of them .But the VIALS have cleared the stage on the BLOOD.
Does it make sense..That is why most people,strugle.But over time I noticed that it comes back.Than I jot down that I have piroplasmosis ( theileria) and in the muscle are only some of the stages.
I knew as HULDA CLARCK new exactly about BORRELIA and BABESIA long time ago.She would include that once the PARASITIC infections ( babs is in there) have reached other part of the body and are already in cyst form in the tissue they cause so much damages.
It was her that pushed me to look for somthing BIG going on in my body.He L CYSTINE and OZONATED OIL gave me the free pain feeling for two month(inspite of severe herxes every where in my body and brain ) .BUT I realized that I was dealing with somthing that HAD MANY STAGES and WAS WELL ESTABLISHED in my body.
Also I wanted to add that WHen I was in CUREZONE.COm I used and bought EVERY PRODUCT in the world.
There were all these people that have tick borne illness and still are in that forum.I recall one ( that is well known person and I can not release the name ) that keept trying liver flushes after liver flushes ( I call myself lucky that I identified LYME myself right after my 5 th liver flush) .
And finally I received a respond ( that was 3 years ago ) that she found she had lyme and coinfections.
Parasites do not have to be big enough to be seen.If you get a microscope there are plenty of them that still do not have a name on it.
THE DENTIST ( that wrote lately a book about SPIROCHETE ruinign and beeing the cause of dental problem) ..was searching with microscop the pathogens that his patients had in their mouth.
He was able to identify spitochetes..from the ones that moved very slow to the ones that were exstremely VIRULENT and also noticed many others HUNDREDS that HE SAID have no name for it yet.
That is why herbs come into place.If you test for them than it is really adresing something that we have no name.
I also justify the ART practitionars that they can not test you with somthing that they have no proof( vials) for .So sure you look like you have no pathogens..but if you test positive for artemisin and something that chases protozoals..than this is it.
I recall ALSO that HULDA inisted on one of her interview( I used and still take newsleters from what she shares) that she was not OK with JUST boosting the IMMUNE SYSTEM .
SHE was CITING like THIS"KILL THEM -detox all the chemicals , KILL them ALL , and the body will restore its own good bacteria by itself"
That is why I chase them as I do not want them to reproduce again .I have spoken with A.D the guy that produced teh zapper and was CURED twice from CANCER from her directly.
HE was the one I spoke in 2006 and was about to go to MEXICO ( as I have had cancer -ignorant doctors).
He was on herbs , detoxified his body got rid of the metals and root canals in his body and today he uses and zapper and once a week the maintanance protocoll of HULDA ( he zaps every day with a zapper simple one to break down the cycle of bugs) and he focused on detox and changed every thing about the way of living.
He is alive and HE is feeling better than when he was young.Boosting the immune system is one thing ..eradicating them IS VERY IMPORTANT.Do you know that they create shell protocetion for each other.The adult parasitic infections hide viuses inside.
It happened to me as WHEN I KILLED the ADULTS and I flushed my liver ( I was astonished -they could not be killed if you do not use OZONATED OIL and you will have a UNPRODUCTIVE flush) my viruses EXSPLODED and ALMOST KILLED me were chocking to death.
Again I was lucky that I found it FAST enough and people are still there at CUREZONE.Com exsplaining their symtoms..MOST of them are dealign with tick borne illnes..and they have NO IDEA.
I know that I feel that I am chasing them maybe more than others..but I do not want to accept to LIVE in HARMONY with them.I lived 2 months BEST MONTHS PAIN FREE FULL of energy that I never felt in 20 years maybe more..and than was lost gone and they came back as THEY WERE MANY.
I have tested with pendulym and I have found many types of protozoas...I can never see them unless I have a microscop..but when I can not find a VIAL I still treat them with RIFE.
So please ..do not think that adult parasites are the only one we should call parasite...all of them are..and the adults are the easiest to kill.
I hope that maybe my charts will help..I was astonished to find many things..MY ND and MY LLMD could not find.No body can go into so much details.
BUT if you test positive for antiparasitic..than this shows enough convincing answer that you have a cronic condition .
TESTING with ART with herbs will proff enough that you have somthing that your body is in need and need it strongly .
I test negative for ALMOST all the killers ..only left with antibabesia DRUGS and HERBS.AND I know I have it.
The VIAL of babs get cleared and comes back in a while.That sends me to figure out I am dealing with the stage and is more into it.My shoulder muscles and my thighs hurt.I also started having heavy legs and heel pains.
I found that I have a low load of WA-3 as well.THey never tested before as I was having antiparasitic non stop herbs in rotation .So sure it will never show positive.
LATELY they came up strongly .The test of herbs and drugs and RIFE confirmed.I was able to go further on which strain.
That is WHY I was not getting this thing on JUST MMS as I was dealing with only blood stage.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
The evolving stages of all bugs is why in addition to restoring immunity and normal flora, Dr. Saul Pressman recommend long-term use of ozone. Ozone is an indiscriminate killer, which he says also kills babs on contact, so instead of doing all these different targeted herbs which attack one stage but will not attack another, it makes sense (at least on a theoretical level) to use something like ozone to keep control of the bugs
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
PE=phosphatidyl ethanolamine. Not as important as the other two I think, but all 3 together cover the whole range of phospholipids. Just learned the PC also gets converted to TMG, another necessary component of methylation. No wonder my doc wants me to take 3g of PC/day... neurotoxin binder, liver aid, and TMG precursor.
I recall Dr.G in LA uses IV phosphatidyl choline (with some other stuff) and IV glutathione as his two main methods of neurotoxin removal
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
alv thanks for the reply. i was/am wondering about babesia. i did test "low positive" for it in june 08 with my llmd, ny dr h.. i was on mepron/art/abx for 9 months. they said i really don't have babs symptoms anymore by the time i went to germany. but i think i do still, maybe. so- i will get muscle tested with some artemisiae and see what happens. i will also go back to see my primary, who is also an llmd, who uses many iv's in his protocol for detox, etc.
have any of you used the product "oxy boost?" i am on it now, started about 5 days ago.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Thanks, Joey. Do you (all) buy a specific PC brand? We are using Body Bio which is terribly expensive. My son is taking 6 a day.. keratosis, sand paper hands.. has been on Vaccinocleanse and anti parasite herbs.
Is there a source for ozonated olive oil or does one need a machine?
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Nature's Gift ozonated olive oil is sold by Dr. Pressman's company, Plasmafire. He talks about them being rubbed rather than ingested in his book however. I"m taking the rizols for now because they're targeted toward specific types of microbes.
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
This is the person that I ordered.He also is a member in CUREZONE.COM that helps people.
His oil won the price in the products that have the exact oil that HULDA claims in her bool.(The products were checked in GERMANY and they found this one does the job).
I have used until lately even the one that you can rub on the skin.His oil is highly recomended.
I have thought many times to buy a ozonater but seems that a professionist can do it more correctly than a beginer.
Mojoy .I do not have any eksperience with OZONE thourgh saunas and I can not say anythig about it.Ozonated oil yes rubed or OZONATED olive oils from Dr K ..yes I have used them and have been pleased..
Internally they work better as they reach the stones and the nest where the BUGS hide in the liver.THERE IS NO BETTER way that I know so far that you can really get them from the liver out.
NYJOHN! TO me there is no such thing and little positive with babesia.If you have DUNCANI this is not little positive.It is hard to get rid of.
Also when they tested you they tested only what was in BLOOD.The protocoll that you were did not kill it only lowered it.That dosage has not worked.
You need to retreat it as you have had IV ozone right after treatment.SO you feed it up again so it has been activated.So think of retreating it.Babs thrives in oksigen.
YOU need to include ARTEMISIN from Dr Zh and if there is a cyst on the strain that you have you need a stronger protocoll. ALL I know is that DR J S says there is no such good thing to live in harmony with a few BUGS of babs.
Think of it and take it seriously .Also do not be surprise if you have something else or more than 1 strain .I do and so my kids.Some are harder to get rid off.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Dr. Pressman does say you can ingest his brand also.
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
wait- babesia microti thrives in oxygen?? i thought o2 kills parasites. i do have some dr zh artemesia left. maybe i will start it up again. i feel pretty good aside from the shoulder pain and muscle weakness in the arms and shoulders.
thanks for looking out for me
joey- by ingesting pressman's product, aren' t you oxygenating your body?
i am confused
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
NYJOHN ! I have used them for other reason ..parasites...and before that I FOLLOWED every step of HULDAS protocoll.You can not go to that step without doing the others.
I did them as I have had nothing to loose.I did HIGH dosages of WORMWOOD and I am sure that tachiocardia I have had and shaking and caughing up all the gung from my chest was killing babs..and when I did the L CYSTINE and OZONATED OIL ..I killed BIG TIME IN MY BRAIN ...( many parasites and coinfections ) I was getting blind and could not hear and see a thing.
I was a gonner.So I would not recomend to do partial of it..
MOjoy .People on CUREZONE know about Dr PRESMAN.I was in his forum years ago as well.But in cleasing the parasites..the best was what I mentioned.I was with the ones that PEOPLE were USING and they were going based on HULDAS protocoll and created BY the T for that PURPOSE to be used when any of the people were following her protocoll.
Even DR K ozonated oils are GOOD BUT they are diferent and can not be mixed with L cystine..so they are used in diferent treatments and not in combo that HULDA has exsplained.I am talking about her EXACT protocoll.
I know he is having supperior product on ozonaters and saunas..
I even have had a consultation with him that was 3 years ago .BUt knwing that OZONE would have put lyme into cyst as I already did without knowing it..I decided not to go into back than ...NOW I still consider if I can afford in the future I would get a OZONATOR of his caliber a medical grade one .
This is still a dream and has been for 3 years.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
NYjohn-yes, that is the goal. Dr. Pressman believes ozone can kill babesia on contact, but there are different opinions on this.
In any case, you don't absorb the maximum amount of ozone through ingesting oil. Insufflation and sauna seem to be the best combination.
Alv--I am just answering R62's question, not saying his ozonated oil is better. I trust your opinion. However, if I do go with ozone, the end goal is continued use of the ozone sauna. I will receive Dr. Hulda's book soon, so I plan on integrating her protocol too
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
ok so oxygen kills babesia, that is good. it is better than oxygen feeding babesia, right?
the product oxy boost puts lots of oxygen into your system.. its made by peter gillam. my nd recommended it highly. she herself was really sick with lyme,etc and treated herself with homepathics and i believe oxy boost.
i am taking other anti-babesia items, i think...i have my own tincture i have made with cardamom, clove, wormwood, garlic, and cayenne. i hope that helps, too.
i don't want to do anything that will make me feel worse. i want a gentle approach. i definitely don't want to have an increase in heart symptoms, eye symptoms, deafness, etc...that sounds too scary.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
no john, oxygen doesn't kill babesia. oxygen does feed babesia from what I've heard. ozone is 03, so it has oxygen plus the singlet oxygen. If interested, check out the ozone, HBOT, singlet oxygen thread i started
Posted by Jewel (Member # 18878) on :
Would the blood nosode help with any infections in the heart?
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Seems like it would, but the thing with infections is they prefer to hide out in tissue... the blood is just a mode of transport. I know I still have heart issues despite treating with blood several times, but that can also be an anaerobic metabolism/hormonal issue
Posted by Jewel (Member # 18878) on :
Joey and others, do you know what could we do about infections in the heart? Or should I start another thread on this topic?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
nyjohn - light colored stools are a sign of lack of bile.
If the biliary duct is prevented from secreting normal bile pigments into the intestine due to either a lack of bile production or duct blockage, the stool will lack pigmentation and appear lighter in color.
Irritable bowels and irregular bowel movements may also be present. If the stools become a light color, it is a clear sign of either liver disease or gall bladder disease.
The natural dark color of stools comes almost exclusively from the bile. Light colored stools are a clear sign that either not enough bile is being produced or secreted, or it is not making its way to the intestines due to blockage of the bile duct from stones, scarring, or inflammation.
Other descriptions of light colored stools include gray stools and pale stools.
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Do something to clean out your liver & gall bladder. The Hulda Clark methods can be harsh. I think the Dr. Schulze products may be more gentle.
There are many methods to get your liver cleared out. Some are quite simple. I think this may be your problem...
If your liver is not functioning, you can't get well.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Does anyone know-
If you make a homeopathic remedy from a supplement (ie: glutathione) - does it perform the opposite in the body?
If I made a remedy of a drug or something like pollen - does it perform the function or the antidote?
Can we supplement with homeopathic vitamins?
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Sorry Jewel - I don't know anything about heart issues & Lyme.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
As for homeopathy, that's a good question: does it become the antidote or the function?
I guess the answer is 'both'. Penicilin dilutions can work as penicilin (to make your body kill other things) as it can make your body target the penicilin causing trouble (like a nosode).
It depends on who takes this, and in which condition (disease), I suppose.
Supplementation: no problem, just don't take simultaneously, but give minimum 10 minutes of interval to any homeopathic substances.
[ 05-03-2009, 09:21 AM: Message edited by: Brussels ]
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Lots of info on here since I last posted.
I have a few remarks:
Autonosodes are remarkable. You have to be careful with them, because they contain so much information about pathogens in the body that they can be too strong.
There are ways to target specifics with saliva nosodes. Selma has become expert in this, I think!
Most autonosodes I have made can't be used with photons, according to testing. I think they carry too much information to be helpful, and would put the immune system on overload.
Used without light, and they have done wonders for me, including getting rid of bladder infections and reducing allergic reactions.
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I have a "zapper." The Sota Silver Pulser. It is very good, and I am convinced that it does clean pathogens out of the blood.
It even gets into gum tissue a bit, when used agressively and frequently. Don't know why I don't use it more. I just like light better, so focus on that more as a treatment.
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About Methylation - I am probably one of those people with the gene for difficulty detoxing sulphur and for mold. Great research on that.
I refuse to get tested for it or to care, since this is an element I can't change one way or another. I do need my Folapro, and it does wonders for me.
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Great question about homeopathy. Does the homeopathic dilution work to kill things or to rid that substance from your body, or to heal a negative sensitivity or allergy to it?
My impression is that a dilution can do any of the above, and that you can muscle test the question to find out which things your body needs it to do for you.
I think homeopathic vitamins can alert the body to make better use of the vitamins we consume in our food, particularly if we have an allergy to a vitamin, so our bodies are not absorbing them effectively.
Many people with Methylation issues are allergic to Molybdenum, so need a Molybdenum homeopathic. This can even be a methylation problem marker.
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Has anyone else tried the Deseret Biologicals Systemic Drainage product? I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I am so hooked on this.
I usually use it with a light treatment whenever I use nosodes.
As long as I follow it with vit C and magnesium, I don't get any drainage or detox issues anymore, and my lymph and organs stay clear.
Any time I get swollen lymph nodes or a little splean or liver discomfort, I take it and it goes away.
I know this can't be a magic bullet for everybody, as it is for me, but for me it is that good!
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One of my practitioners says ozone rectal insufflation is very good. He has done it on himself. Kills all kinds of things without harming the body, apparently. Not a very big demand for it, though, as you can imagine.
It makes me curious about what is possible with my commercial grade ozonator, but still not that curious, if you know what I mean.
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Have a fine day, everybody!
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
regarding a sauna- being great for ozonination (is that a word?)... are we talking fir only or could a super hot steam sauna suffice?
i have access to the steam sauna a few days a week.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Bejoy--
From literally everything that I've been reading so far, ozone sauna and ear insufflation reaches just about everywhere that our bugs can possibly harbor: blood, lymph, fat especially. Not to sound crude, but as a female, Dr. Pressman says you have an anatomical advantage being able to do vaginal insufflation, but it really does sound like the above two modalities would be sufficient to take care of the "bug-killing" portion as well as much of the milieu-restoring portions of our protocols. Of course, ozone cannot restore WHY our bodies became toxic and milieu was altered in the first place... so it's a downstream treatment. But in combination with energetic treatments for emotions (which many of us are doing), enderlein therapies, and detoxification remedies, it sounds like it could take the weight of the world (aka trying to target every bug that comes up) off our shoulders
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
regarding toxicity- i wish i could take a system like heel's detox kit but i am already on a remedy to treat a miasm. it is apparently not good to take ANYTHING homeopathic while on a miasmatic remedy...actually, although some practitioners do prescribe blends of remedies at once, i have learned it is best, from a classical point of view, to really only take one at a time. my homeopath is very lyme literate, and although i want to go forward wtih taking this n that for various things, she is telling me to stay away from this n that. i know she has treated many people with chronic tbi's and related dysfunctions with great success. i am still going to use some tinctures for detoxing. i *think* that using the bionic to knock down teh load, might be beneficial to do before attacking the dysfunctions with homeopathy. i hope i am taking the right approach. i am on a very limited budget and am keeping my fingers crossed. the good thing is, too, that many good classical homeopaths also understand the approach to medicine like dr k uses. my practitioner also practices jungian psychology and cst as well.
dr w says that classical homeopathy and bionic can mix well together.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
nyjohn--steam sauna with your head sticking out, and the sauna cabinet has to be made of specific materials that aren't inert to ozone:
glass, Teflon, Kynar, Viton, and fiberglass
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
thanks joey well, that i don't have...the sauna is at the ymca i guess it's better than no sauna?
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
yes hyperthermia alone beats no hyperthermia
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Hey john, your mailbox is full.
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no that was IV ozone at Dr. W's office
For cases of chronic fatigue and high pathogen load, it seems long-term use of ozone is necessary... nothing that can be accomplished in 5 IV sessions.
Plus, the IV doesn't get into tissue like the lymph and fat, where many of the toxins are stored. the sauna does
Alv posted a few links to ozonated olive oil (not oxygenated) above. Or you can check out plasmafire.com
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I agree with Bejoy for the homeopathic vitamins and minerals too.
Another thing that is working for me so well is, I told before, cilantro homeopathic. Amazingly well. The tincture can't mobilize metals for me anymore but the homeopathic is going much deeper.
Same as chlorella. Real weed is good (I'm still on high amounts a day as I am flushing metals and other toxins) but my daughter is using chlorella homeopathic as her MAIN chelator now.
Nothing else I have at home tests good for her, except for chlorella homeopathic. She still takes whole 'herb' chlorella to bind though, together with bear garlic.
I never heard of these two substances taken homeopathically for heavy meatal chelation, but as they are working, well we're continuing. ----
John, I wish you good luck with your homeopath and treatment. I know classical homeopaths are afraid of many combinations and I do hope he got the good substance for you.
I usually give a deadline for a practioner, like minimum 3 months (but best is 6 months if you can stand) and follow what they suggest.
I had been on the classical approach with a NON LYME literate much before I fell sick with lyme. When I fell sick with it, I continued doing it, but I couldn't wait too long to get results as I was too bad. I needed herbs to continue killing -detoxing.
But if you are not as bad and you can wait, I guess he may be right, that such miasmatic remedies would work best if taken alone.
Did you get a Bionic back with you?
-- Joey, Bejoy and all: thanks for posting about ozone. It does look like an interesting technology to go into, in case of necessity! --
Bejoy, now that you got so many machines with you, do you think you still need your zapper?
I am just thinking about my KMT 24 now... If I will ever need it again. Possibly for parasites, but if I can catch these with a zapper...
Do you think the zapper is efficient for GI and brain parasites?
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Brussels:
Dr. Pressman does a great job of tying together ottoburg, enderlein, bechamp, pathogen-killing, biophotons, and even emotions en route to optimal healing in his book, 'The Story of Ozone." Really good read and anyone that wants it, PM me and I'll email it to you. (He distributes it over the net free of charge)
I am utterly dumbfounded that there isn't more dialogue going on about this, mainly because the FDA doesn't even allow the selling of ozone generators (they're marketed as water purifiers) but I think that will change in time.
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
thanks selma i did bring the bionic back with me. my homeopath/nd, after 20 years of naturopathic work in berlin, trained under george vithoulkas for 4 years then more years at hanneman. she said that she was familiar with machines in germany in the past that used light machines with nosodes but the idea of having the nosodes on the body is new to her, and she said it makes good sense. i am lucky that when she moved to ny a few years ago, she unluckily was bitten and given lyme. she had one week abx then one week iv abx. she didn't get better. so she did homeopathics and she said she is 97%-99% all of the time. her own infection forced her to really study the disease.
i hope that because of my bionic treatments, i have beaten buggers down enough to allow the homeopathics to do the rest. i am keeping my fingers crossed. i *think* i will give her several months because i have already been to germany for the treatments. i am also awaiting some blood test results from last week, for magnesium, and other things incl thyroid panel.
but with the muscle pains and weakness, plus the occasional heartbeat thing, i naturally worry, like the rest of us. and of course, that worry and fear only contributes to our illness!
she did say to do whatever i want to help detox- just no other homeopathics (and of course, mint, coffee, etc). so i am taking herbs and things for detox. plus she recommends the oxy boost i was writing about.
Posted by nyjohn (Member # 15361) on :
hi joey thanks a lot, too. i thought it was ozone but considering every time i was in the 'lab" i was freezing and slightly delirious about what was happening, all i knew it was oxygen of some form.
i think i can get ozone therapy in my primary's office. i know that they have hbot but i'm not doing that!
i just ordered the living matrix
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Selma, I don't think that the Sota Silver Pulser would get bugs in the GI and the brain. I do think it can knock them down in the blood and tissues enough that the immune system an handle the left over.
Problem for me was just that while it worked very well, I just didn't like it. I had to have it pulsing on my arm about two hours a day, and the electric pulse shut down my regulation while on it. I lost my ability to muscle test while using it.
It may sound strange that I was uncomfortable not being able to test for just two hours a day, but I'm a person who lives by intuition. Without it I don't quite feel like myself.
Still I would recommend it to people who are not so comfortable with homeopathic treatments or muscle testing. It is a cheap, easy, and powerful indiscriminate killer, with no side effects that I could detect, other than the need for steady lymph drainage.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
So about ozonation. I am a bit of a fan of the do-it-yourself economy plan, if you had not gathered yet.
Now I have this $400. ozone generator that is effectively ridding my home of all manner of critters.
Based on your positive recommendations, it does have me thinking about how to collect a baggie of it and put it in other dark places. It's legal and it's free, don't you know.
My current battle is with molds, yeast and fungus, inside my body and out. If it works for my house milieu... This could be a good GI answer I imagine.
I admit, I have read very little on ozone, and none of the other threads on it yet.
Any thoughts about how to go about collection and personal application? The thing even comes with a long plastic tube to attach to the business end. I could go outside and run the thing into, well...wherever. Sounds easy enough, if it tests out well energetically. Am I inviting frighteningly crude comments?
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Ozone is often used to treat moldy homes... but you can't be in the house when the machine is running. You need to be careful not to breathe it in directly without bubbling it through olive oil, which can really damage the lungs.
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
Hi MOJOY!
You are right about the oils ozonated ones.When I was at my worst december 2006 in regard to my teeth infection , I rubbed the oil from the persons website that I posted.
I was twitching everywhere and people could see my face , eyes arms, thighs every thing was twitching and my jaw getting locked at that time.
I have had to weit to go to do the surgery as I did not know what the hell was causing it.So I was tight up on my zapper and rubbing the oils in my face neck , oregano oil in my teeth ( squishing and taking internally ) , oil pulling .
This is how it was under controll and when over time will start acting up , I would go back use it again.I recall the last day was scary before surgery and I was on my zapper non stop almost all day and oil was in my face 24/7 .
I know PRESSMAN has high quality of oils.But when it comes to follow HULDAS protocoll I insist on this one as the guy dedicated himself to do the best one out there and he ozonated them even more than others in case the potency drops wile they were shipped or during the time you open up the cap .
So when you go through that treatment -your life is in danger.Only the ones that had their life in line would go to that STAGE and treat.The rest was concern ( if you read the book -there is a efect from OZONE based on HULDA) but you have had to wights the cons and prons.
SO made sure that this one was done correctly and for that PURPOSE and this protocoll in mind.
The guy saved his wife life that had cervical cancer.That is how HE started than it became somthing he was passion about it.Also he uses OZONE mostly in his house.
Not every one had the gut to do that protocoll.I warn you is A VERY VERY STRONG one.But when it comes to TAPEWORM stages it really WORKS.
NO WONDER I have had NO BRAIN LESSION with all the infections and WHEN I DID MRI nothing came out to my surprise .
Reason ..was I HERXED MY BRAINS OUT for 3 weeks.I even found out that NEMATODES matched on my test as WHITE LESSIONS VIAL I have in my house.YES I tested my son and still do to see if he has brain lessions still.
Than I tested with PENDULUM on what is still causing it.NEMATODES came that are created the WHITE LESSIONS.Yes I have an imprinted VIAL for WHITE matters to test him and SEE is progression.
His LYME, muco , brucella, bart, ehrlichia , RMSF , are in remmision ( a few bugs here and there )he is dealing with GRAM negative bacteria ( ricketsia/Q fever ) babs ( protozoas) and NEMATODES NOW.
We now that filiary and nematodes can be treated with DOXY as well but they do not eradicate it( I have used and herxed like hell last year ON ALBENDANZOLE that I tested positive ) I needed only 10 days.
My son has BRAIN lession .When I tested it came that NEMATODES were creating it.This are spots that hurt in the brain due to nematodes reaching the brain and causing sharp pain.God I recall all of it.
First day of treatment was november 28 of 2006 and as invited on a party of my community ( we love to get together and so for our kids , over 200 people ) .I had just taken the first dosage and I felt LIKE I was hammering a thick wall that has been created over time inside my brain over decades with each pill that I was taking of L Cystine and OZONATED oil .
It was doing a NUMBER on parasites and everything else.WAS not solicitating any of them .THE PAIN was SURREAL.
I was afraid to SAY it outloud as I was doing everything on my own without telling anybody ( so all cleansing of DR SHULTZE and SANDRA CABBOT ) and HULDAS.....People that I have had around were clueless about this things.
I also beilive that PEOPLE have been sick for very long.All the infections that have accumulated in their head can really make them change on their judgment.I do beilive that the worst you are the MORE INSIGHT IMPAREMENT you have.
THIS ONE made me realized and beilive even more that this path works as I was finding releif step after step and feel finally the parts of my body .I had lost evey sense of feeling , touching smell...NO WONDER !
I am glad that I did as it give me enough room to be able to continue inspite to how sick I was and feel and noticed things in my body that before I could not realize at all.
The wall on my brain was not letting me to feel my ekstremetis.Like the body did not belong to me and I was in severe pain but my brain was not gining me the mesages due to all the inflamation that was going on.
If I did not do this I doubt I would have been able to come to this point.But again I would not do anything like this without testing and having somebody test to suport my body.I was doing everything ALONE at that time.NOT even talking to ANYONE.I have had nothing to loose.
Now is totaly difernt story as I test before I do anything.
I have seen nematodes( they could be filiary worms as well ) with my own eye on LIVER FLUSHES, MMS flushes And SALT and C flushes.They come with the tick bite or mousquito bites.
Ironicly I also found that they are present where RICKETSIA is.I found an article that they help somhow each other and if you have one you have the other as well.
NO wonder SALT and C protocoll says that you can reduce and get rid of brain lessions when you reach the high dosage.
My son was in salt and C as well last year and I know that the first thing I noticed were FILIARY WORMS ( that came with the bite) and I have had put him on parazite cleansing 2 year before I found out of lyme.Also I have had become exspert on parasites due to the fact I was in CUREZONE .COm and done a lot of search at that time.
He is now in RIZOLS but They are never as strong as OZONATED OIL and L CYSTINE I used.
That also worked as a chelator in my body ( l Cystine -chealte radioactivity ) ...at that time and I did not know about the fact I have had a leaky gut ..so I recirculated some of the mercury in my brain ...at that time.
I know that this need to be addresses ( radioactivity ) as I have been a teanager in EUROPE when CHERNOBYL exsploded and I recall that I was covered up on PIMPLES exact that time.
I have spoken with a Dr in USA that warned me that this is another issue I need to adress as he was one of the exspert that WAS sent in EUROPE to check for the levels of it and how was spread.
HE mentioned that I need to keep in mind and treat as it is EVER WORST than MERCURY itself.( this is somthing I have not reached to deal with now ).Some of the symtoms can seem like one of another disease he said but these are disruptions that out DNA has had due to damages and I recall that I have had releif some time IN TULAREMIA frequencies.
He insisted that I have no TULAREMIA but I needed to keep in mind to detox this as well.I hoppe AI will adress it or maybe has as this really need to be considered in my case.
Most parents he said have passed the damaged DNA to the kids as well due to its exsposure.( the gue knew what he was talking about ).He creates formula but he is VERY exspensive( he works with homepathic as WELL).
Ok lets get back where I was...
That is why I insist that people do not do things like that WITHOUT healing their gut first...THAT IS where all treatment starts .
True OZONE should not be used on a moldy house and stay when treatment.Actually the book I bought from DR J S that is an exspert on MOLD he does not recomend it.
I used to think I can use it for my moldy bathroom but since I read it ...I do not want to risk and we have left it closed until we ripp off the entire bathroom .So we use only one bathroom for now.
Sparkle ( when I have time) I will PM you about the charts.Hope I will be able to exsplain it corectly to you .
BRUSSELS!
It is so true that I use everything from charts, to vials, to pictures , to drugs and all herbs, biotensor and rife to confirm somthing.
I go strongly after somthing that comes consistant positive and make sense that every metod suports it.
All of them help me.I can not ignore one over the other.You know what I mean.It makes you stronger in the decision when you see consistancy.I also use muscle testing based on vials.
My son finally put enough bart and ehrlichia DOWN and now ..Nematodes comes next to be treated before retreating babs other strain .He tested very high on ENULA yesterday.I also found that RAINTREE A-P formula deals with them as well.
Huldas Clarck protocoll is the best..but again I tested yesterday and I WAS NEGATIVE for L CYSTINE.NO need for it.I was thinking of redoing it.But because I am not testing for it I am not repeating it.
The only thing I regret is that I did not continue her protocoll for maintanace.
After I did the surgery I became very sick as LYME and COinfections...had the right timing to get worst due to my body had too much to deal with.
SO I stoped everything and I was on MYERS COCTAIL at that time and orals , ENZYMES, OLIVE leaf exstract and teeth chemicals detox..for a while..as they tested HIGHLY in my case with BIOFEEDBACK and muscle testing ( the dr that was there during the surgery with the machine used fnger testing )!!!
BARTONELLA was acting up and that is WHY I was testing and herxing ON OLIVE LEAF that time.This exsplains my twithcing all over and MY NEURO SYMTOMS and my long term treatment in BART to reduce it !!!
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
Too much of coincidence that many political changes happened in that time in EUROPE , from BERLINS wall( 1989) , ballkans trouble...rumania , russia and the entire Comunist SYSTEM and CAPITALIST SYSTEM changes acured and needed the interfier of XXX ships and XXX forces to calm the situation down.
Most of these disease also started at the time that the forces came in at that time...and previous to that...they were not heard of.
I recall one of the best professors of THE HOSPITAL ( when I was caughing non stop ) said "You got a NEW WESTERN DISEASE".Things have not been said out loud back than like now.
We also know that most of the disease...exsplode while chemicals and toxins are presents.
We also know that LYME bacteria has been present in EUROPE since CIVIL WAR II!
Too much of coincidence?????
Ok..I am not going into politics...but I am trying to relate ...all the factors and get back to the root of the problem .
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Alv, your PM is full. I'm gonig to post here... nothing private really:
Alv,
How much HH do you need and for how long for bart? Zhang is expensive.. so you get bulk HH? I found some at first chinese herbs for 15$ a pound. I have read here on LN that Zhangs dosage is too small... up to 20 pills a day according to some.
If you send more info on charting to Sparkle, will you also send to me?
I think I am getting it.. I see these half moon charts online and in a book I have.
I think you are saying you might section that off for a range of pathogens.
Then you create a more specific chart for babesias for example or for whatever needs more specific information. You can even make a chart for remedies for babesias and make a section that says something like "another rememdy" for the chance that it is something you have not yet thought of?
Thank you for all the great info, Alv.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Just had NMT session today. This is similar to NES, AI, etc only .. no drops.
Today my therapist worked on the DNA pathway which included liver functions like methylation, sulfation, acetylation. I had strong reactions in my body.. it jerked alot starting in sacral then in coxyc area to sacral back and forth.. finally went to solar plexus then upward. It was strange to feel this and as the movement hit my solar plexus I started to think there is a pattern here. Weird.. psychological or for real energy moving.. ?? or both since they are connnected.. ??
Anyway.. my kids and I all have these very dry hands.. lots of cracking and bleeding, sandpaper like at times. The therapist worked on this pathway with my daughter about a month ago.. her hands are smooth now. ??
She did not get the clear to work on that pathway with my son... all is asked for the highest good and whether one's body is ready for the shift. His hands are still like sandpaper.
I like the idea of the drops, but I am very much more drawn to the hands on and in this case distance energy healing (this can be done both ways). I want to see how this plays out enough to play guinea pig. My kids have stopped treatments for now.. just me for the time being.
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
just an exapmple..as you have many examples that can help you as you see in You tube and exsplore.
YES you can create a CHART with 1/2 moon type...and you include a line from the center up that show YES and from left to the right NO...
Also in between you can draw lines as many as you think you need to include for testing and you can exsplore anything you want.
You can build a chart that start from O- 24 hrs a day ( and you see how far you need to take somthing ) .
Or you can consider it a dosages chart( in pills or miligrams -always have the sample of pills in front of you ) and hold with one hand or have the person you test touch you at the shoulders and let them carry the bottle close to their navel if you are testing for them .
You can build a chart as a whole MOON with YES always from up and down and split with a NO arrow that comes crossing the YES line as an imaginary circle .So up and down is YES ( from center up and center down) and NO ( from center to the left and center to the right ).
Than you can draw errors from center to wards all 1/4 of the mooon that are even far away from each other and name DISEASE, medications , treatments type ..you name ...exsplore on what you need.
You have to set the program first ( hope you have the booklet -on how to program your PENDULUM).You need to program the pendulum when you are a beginer.Do a search here and you will find it AT BIONIC thread if my memory serves me well.
You can exsplore on building charts on any group of pathogens...let say ...all protozoas family ....and you build a break down for all of them that you know ( google ) ...
Always include unknown for one of the errows in that family ..in case you can not find or you do not have the ones that have a name .
Let say you builded one with protozoas..and than you find you have one unknown ..Build another one with CYST form , stages , single cell, etc..to break it even more..and you get more of the idea what you are dealing with .
I start always with my main CHART -that have listed the main TICK BORNE illness and always put OTHERS as another option.
I have charts for just the metods that I need to use as well..spliting it into RIFE, HOMEPATHY , DRUGS, HERBS etc
YOu can exsplore as much as you can .. I need really to take my time to write all these..But I guess you get the idea even though I am in a RUSH today .
Start with the very simplest one ( 1/2 moon) that has YES and no and also has some arrows like rays comming out of the center and spreading even from each other ( I put numbers or disease on it) .
In your case after you build the chart with numbers you can take the HH capsules (created by 1st chinese herbs that are cheapest version) and ask on HOW many you need.
Hold them in left hand ( if you are right handed) or put them in front of you.I touch them as you get the vibe from them and is better and more accurate.
Ask on how many you need to reach the brain ?On how many your body can handle without having trouble on neurotoxins..or most beneficial dosages.
You will see that answers are diferent.BECAUSE you need to reach the brain ..it will give you higher and pending on your detox problems..that can very . I tested MY daughter with TRIPHALA.When I needed to break down the biofilm in the brain ( fry BUG )she came high .Than when I retested ...by asking a diferent question .
How many HH capsules MY XXX needs if she takes let say 8 ( based on previous number) Triphala.Than AUTOMATICLY the HH will come up higher.
WHY ? Is simple..as you break down the biofilm...let say the killers need to be there...and so the binder once you rephrase the question diferently ...all the answer are going to be diferent.
I have changed a lot of times the questions...pending on how much she can handle.
At least you can ask for the most beneficial dosage...that you can HANDLE...over time..when you feel better...you can jump on asking ...reach the brain and feet...and than you will see.
You can go further on asking ON how many a day , dosages, etc I also have chart to see the percantage of the reductions of the load by asking for each pathogen , or vials , or chemicals....I carry the vial in my hands to get the vibes and I see how that answer changes over time.
it took me weeks and months over the AI treatment to see slowly how the levels were droping...I even have recorded them on my notebook..
I have stared recording them .So I was surprised when I went back to see the levels( no way I could remember by memory all of them ) and saw them dropping ( talking about chemicals here).
In some cases you can even use your palm with a vial below your hand .You name and program your fingers , let say left hand :small finger 20% , and so on 100% the thumb.You have the pendulum with your right hand and you ask questions about the load of that bacteria in your body , each organs..
I than go with THE TENSOR and a vial and CAN find them exactly by checking my son or my daughters body .
The liver is the main organ but that does not mean you are done.They love the exstremeties..as feet , hands and head.That is why MICUL talkes about how has found on blood test of the fingers..babesia.( I am getting the same answer )while ART will show based on muscle testing let say that I am done with this or that pathogen.
And with babs and bart we can not think such thing as LOW as they can multiply preaty fast.
Or I test the vial with the tensor at his knees and I find them but not in the liver .
If I do ART muscle testing ..the load is SO LOW and it will show that he does not have this and that .BUT IRONICLY that does not mean the bugs are out..but that the body can handle and is not blocked from this bacteria...as even the bloackages are low or another bacteria is needed to be treated in order to reach the left out at the exstremeties..
Sorry I am in a rash and I am just througing some ideas in there.
I start with the MAIN one ( numbers only ) to ask how many active are at that moment ( infections).
than I go to the next to see which one is the most dominating one that I need to treat...than I ask for the other
This CHART is very big ( had to put 2 papers together ) ..and it took time for me..to create..the one that I have consistant infections based on ( many ways of findings as lab, biofeedback , art , biotensor , vials etc ) ..as MUCO , BART , BABS, BRUCELLA, HERPES, viruses etc....and always parasites and others.
When I see herpes I move on to the next one that I have created for HERPES only
I list there ( google ) all the herpes family..
So for the main viruses
So for the PROTOZOAS...gogle and
so for BABESIA strains
ALways put UNKNOWN one option there..as it can be that is somthing you do not know and is not known yet
YOU ASK if you are having an infections that is in that GROUP ..and if you get a YES( arrow from center up vertical ) and than you go further on which one is that you have ...until it showes it all ..and if you see that you have 1 unknown...you move on to the chart that has all the types of protocolls
LIKE , drugs herbs, rife whatever...and ASK which one would be able to eradicate the unknown PROTOZOA for example.
ALSO ..you move on on the chart of dosages..and you ask HOW MANY THINGS would be able to treat that and ERADICATE..
I have created another chart that has bottom 1/2 moon numbers and upper part listed drugs and herbs , metods ...so another one for each drug and herbs known and the bottom just numbers..
When I have to deal with it ..I ask HOW MANY THINGS can clear eradicate it..( if I get the asnwer before that drugs and herbs can kill it) .Once i get the number 4 for instance..I asked which one of this can eradicate that is listed here..ALWAYS an unknown should be there.
To get there ...I have spent So much time searchign and building all these and improving ..over time ,rebuilding .
ALSO over time I was able to recall and find names and disease based on symtoms I have had since a kid ( and search for the most common infections that are in the STATE that I lived in -I have traveled a lot -so for me was very dificult) ..and could really jot down all the infections.
beilive it or not...In the begining I went over too many names and used biotensor and charts..and than PICTURES...
that I moved on ordered VIALS to make sure this were real findings...ONCE I got vials...and I mastered it , I can test with the vials..but now it seems that I am confident enough to get the right answer..it took me years( at least 1 year non stop that I start feeling I was into it ) and knowledge and search but WAS WORTHIT.
My brain was not clear back than so no wonder it took me long.
I also can find RIGHT NOW ..what I need to treat as PRIORITY and what is needed to cover all what I have...
It is funny how my son get the same answer as me.Kids are inocent and get correct answers as they do not interfier.He love it.I put him to play with it to get the feeling.
I recall BRUSSELS says that her daughter said "I feel TOXIC" as overtime I have exsplained him what was causing what by testing ..so now he is aware exactly what it going on.And is right as he is hitting on the target.People watch like ( how in the world he knows this stuff).They laugh at him as he makes them feel LIKE he is NOT SICK.
I also was able to ask for each symtoms that I was feeling WEIRD / or twitching on my legs or my heart or my head...and I test and I can see which one is there...NOW I know by heart..before WAS hard as they were many of them active and I was not testing .
You can also create a chart when you include binders,protocoll for detox...and you ask ...if you can not use tensor and vials and test them .. I combine them all and I also have a LARGE arsenal of everything ..in front of me.This is the advantage .
The herbs , drugs etc...are present and I keep always a few of them in case I run out..it has been time that I need to reorder a suplement or a binder that once STOPED testing..but in time you can test again and you need it...
That is why most ND have vials with herbs in it just to test...and than you go further
You can also combine all you have and ask if they go together..IT IS FUNNY that I never get any answer that does not make sense
AS I tested today somthing, I was asking to find 100% the righ match and I played around..with swithcing the bottles...until I got 100% CORRECT MATCH!
IT was VERY CORRECT!I knew was no contradication betwen them .Than I went further to find the best timing to take one or the other within 24 hrs chart that I have created .And also just get an idea how they should be combined.It will surprise you what you find.
When times comes ( based on the previous time answer ) I still test if that is OK for me to take.MATCHES perfectly . IF you feel like you are interfiering with you logic than do not see the labels...You need to be able not to interfier with what you know..LET it guide you ...see some of the YOU tube...tricks on how to use your ability without interfiering..THIS needs practice and works same way as with the biotensor.
Clear your brain from anything .You also need to be far away from any magnetic field...as computer or high noise..very queit place and focus.You always ask MAY I , can I should I ask questions right now...even though YOU have programed your pendulum since in the begining on what this exspresion means and what YES and NO is for you.
The charts should be created FOR YOU only and you know what you have ..but you can exspand them over time and learn more about yourself...
I use them to make the right decision.BEILIVE it or not ..I just had to make an order for something and I have had to ASK on HOW many bottles I need of this and that as I was going into details for the new order ...
MY KIDS come all the times..when they want to know...about the symtoms or they want to make important decisions...for anything. It can also be used to test compatibilities between people and many other things and your decision about something ...
also when BRussels sasy that she test what is the best choice for this or that ...machine...I do the same for me...and I go on what comes stronger for me..
You can also create small square papers and put the names of something that you need to make a decision..
You put them far away from each other in even position and the pendulum can be in the middle and you ask the question and see what pendulum leads you
ALSO ...I test VIALS..as I see that 2 things are almost even important to treat but needs to know what is the most important
I put the vials on both sides ( which I test higly positive) and I use pendulum in between and I ask which one need to be treated first...the pendulum will show me which one is the priority ...it will start waving towards teh one that need to be treated first....
You can use pendulum to go over the frequencies on RIFE...and than as you see on chart let say you have BABESIA..you ask from the list of NUMBERS ( chart for it) on how many frequencies are beneficial for you right now
1. IS there any beneficial frequencies to be used with the rife right NOW?
Than you get a number
2.You can go into the chart of the main disease that you have created and ask which one of this is more priority and can be treated with rife right now.
Let say it points you to babesia 3. Than you go over the cafls list and you ask for all frequencies that you have...on babesia ...
4. when you ask for the frequency ..
You ask if this frequency is beneficial for you right now .
Than when you get a YES
5.You ask on HOW many minutes would be beneficial for you to rife in it RIGHT now on XXX frequency that you got previously a yes?
SO you get the minutes in time and jot them down...
At the very end..after you got the 5 frequencies down and the minutes..you ask one more time ..if you need any space between each treatment...break..if NO that you ask if the 5 frequesnies are ok to continue the treatment right now..
AFTER you are done...you will see that when yo go back ...to ask it willgive you more frequencies but ON ANOTHER PATHOGEN.
So you do not shoot in the dark..and guess...
BUt there is another way you can use as well. That chart is hard to exsplaIN...
1/2 MOON AND IN THE MIDDLE yes FROM CENTER up AND NO from center to both sides left and right..
In between you create the chart with break up lines that direct to 1-10 , than upper sides 1-100 and so on 100-10000
And than you need to through the vision on the semimoon imaginary arches that go on line from the number 1 ( first semimoon ) to the highest level 100-10000 to see which ones are strongly showing positive...
THIS is the hardest for me to exsplain.I have had this CHART comming with my book.I have hard time in the begining to master it.But it creates a short cut when you ask for frequencies and help to find NEW ones that YOU have no list on them to deal with certain treatment with RIFE .
Ok I am typing fast and have no time to correct it now..Will come later..GOTTA GO!
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Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks Alv... It's alot to read & I have other things to do. Great info - in any case!
Send me an e-mail when you are ready. I can see if I can work with it. I could make pdf files & put them up on a website so people could print them out for reference.
Posted by lymeparfait (Member # 14268) on :
Alv,
Your PM is full.
I am fascinated by your chart work. This would be very beneficial to me as I think in those kind of ways, and have trouble making decisions.
I just started using the biotenser which has helped tremendously. But would like options, like on your chart, to remember what to ask when I need a directions for detox, or treatment for me and my family.
sometimes I feel like I cannot organize my thoughts,(one of my conditions)
So I would love to make my own personal chart.
If possible, do you have an example to get me started. It is for me hard to understand how to start with your description without having one visually in front of me to compare.
Sparkle, please send one my way too!
Thanks,
LP
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
As always, much to absorb from these posts!
So, using the charts, you use your biotensor (or pendulum) directly over the points on the chart?
Would it also work to place the tip of your index finger (L hand) directly on the point/word being tested, then have your dowsing instrument off to the side of the paper? (Might be able to get by with smaller charts that way?)
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
It's funny, each one goes through different paths. I find pendulum soooo difficult! Some people find it easier, like Alv!
For me, dowsing with names is much more difficult than dowsing with the body (body scan) or with nosodes.
I now can do well the name dowsing too (not with pendulum though) but it took me literally years to feel a bit more confident on that. I AM still learning and still feel experience is what counts.
The more I know the substances I'm dowsing with their names, the more precise answers I get.
I can't see how could people start with these more abstract dowsing. I would recommend as starting point, to dowse with herbs, supplements, things that you know and have a real FREQUENCY. That's when the signals are stronger.
Name dowsing just catches the frequencies 'in the air', or 'in your mind', or in the 'collective mind', so to say. It's much less concrete than simply placing a real substance in front and dowsing.
I just keep wondering if this is a good starting point...
It's amazing to be able to use these charts, like Alv does! But I consider her an advanced dowser, not a starter.
If you want to start, just put your REAL substances in a chart and dowse with REAL stuff that carry frequencies! That's just my opinion.
When you master that, then move on to subtler fields (like name dowsing). But still, start with substances that you know well, then re-test them in the real world after to confirm.
Or you'll never be sure what you do is good or not. Just my opinion!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Hey, the alternativetherapy site is very good, Alv!!
It's amazing how she arrived to do a very similar list of therapies that dr. K. does, including neural therapy.
thanks for posting it! -- Tracy, just watch the utube video Alv proposed.
The guy looks a bit 'crazy' (like we all, I suppose...), but that shows how he dowses and what are these charts. The pendulum stays in the middle and it moves towards one of the lines from the center.
You know? I think I am getting better and better with my charts now! NOt with the pendulum though, I still feel I'm a child with it!
The homeopathic book I told you is good and being very helpful now, after I started to be more familiar with it. There are loads of charts, some by frequency of use, some by ailments, some by body parts, others without much reason (these are the ones I use most!!).
He must have compiled based on his experience.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I started doing dowsing with a pendulum many years ago. It was before I used it for medical purposes. I had no idea you could do medical dowsing... I used to ask it stuff like "Is my boyfriend cheating on me..." LOL
I guess I got used to having a mental idea or concept to dowse to. It helps to have the product in front of you. The bobber I got from Vernon works great for me. I haven't been using the pendulum as much. I was interested in seeing how Alv does it. There's always something to learn.
A while back I read there are certain personality types - visual, aural, kinesthetic. I'm visual - so, charts may work good for me. Other people may have different modes that they feel more comfortable with.
There's just so many things to ask & think about in regards to doing this testing. It would be nice to have some kind of list to use for reference - whichever way you do it.
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Made the glutathione remedy today. I tried 5 drops under the tongue as dowsed for my dosage. The remedy just disappeared info the ether when I put it under the tongue... That's what it felt like... I also noticed some aches & pains just like when I did the suppository about 20 minutes after I took the remedy.
I'm going to try it with the light if I test YES for it. I'm just going slow with things these days. My liver is feeling better but I'm going to do another flush in a week or so.
I really hit the target with the liver detox protocol (thanks Bob). It's not easy but it's worthwhile.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Alv thanks so much for all the great info. I will look more intensely when this herx calms down. I am herxing strangely on teasel, enula, cumanda, HH (2), and Circulation P (2). Strange burning.. in my neck and even in the heel of my right foot. Nothing on banderol and mora really. So I guess thats how it goes.
I did find a pendulum chart book that has things like heavy metals, electrolytes, herbs.. several charts with herbs, flower essences, tissue salts and on and on. I'm sure I can make these myself... eventually...., and I got a good deal on amazon so went for it as a visual guide.
I hope I can keep up with you all. There are a handful of threads here that are hopping with great info!
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Sparkle.. I am so lost at this point. How did you make a glutathione remedy? You all are amazing.
I have a zyto appointment. We are going over PKU, Methylation in detail, gut with zyto or testing. I need to get a handle on this. I am a slow methylator, so it seems I need to be careful with how I take the methylation supplements. Sheesh. When will this start to get easier?
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
r62--
breathe. take your time, it'll all start to come together. Take solace in the fact that the amount of useful information in there far exceeds what your body actually wants to do at any particular time.
Many of us here (excluding me--I'm pretty new to all this too) have played around and gone through tons of trial and error before making it sound like making a homeopathic remedy is just a walk in the park.
if you try to pack in too much info at once and burn the candle at both ends, you'll lose the most important tool we have to become healthy: balance.
Zyto is a great place to start.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Sparkle, are you using products that will help `soften or dissolve' anything that might be in your liver, gall bladder or biliary ducts? Seems to me this would be my focus BEFORE attempting to purge anything.
Thanks, Selma - I DID watch the youtube video - though it took over 40 minutes to download a 10-minute video to my ancient dial-up computer. (And if I wait too long and it gets to the end, then I have to start over - for some reason the information can't be stored in my buffer or memory. And sometimes, it just quits in the middle. Grrr.) What a pain. And I didn't learn anything from the video. That's not the part I don't understand - I understand how to make the charts. What I need to see is how they are USED with the dowsing device. That's what I can't visualize.
I also checked out the alternative site that Alv posted about, and I liked it, too.
I looked at the book you posted about, R62 - I like the format a lot. Just no homeopathic remedy charts.
I do wish I'd gotten that book you talked about, Selma. I can envision how some homeopathic charts could be made to narrow down the choices - like grouping plant, mineral, animal, or other remedies into categories. Or perhaps grouping remedies into groups of a tendency to be `chilly' or `hot' or `neutral' remedies. So many ways to do this.... and then I realize......why should I attempt to do what someone else has already done! It's like trying to re-invent the wheel - no sense in it. It seems to me that if not using a remedy (or `witness) to test with, the first questions might be ``Do I already have the remedy that will work best for my _______ (whatever the problem is)?'' And if yes, then ask if the remedy name begins with a letter from A-M, and move on from there.
So, I've been doing some more searching to find something available in the USA that might be similar. I'm not finding much.
List of dowsing chart books and prices (the homeopathic remedies chart book isn't available yet - darn!): http://stores.lulu.com/dowsethis
Anyway, Selma, you make an excellent observation about whether this is a good `starting point' for beginners. Perhaps as long as the substance being tested is placed on the chart at the `hub' (center), this would be okay, as you suggested.
When I first went to the kinesiologist here in town and tested basic supplements, she made me put a little of the substance directly on my tongue to test me for it. (Then I had to rinse my mouth out before doing another supplement. Boy, there are sure some nasty-tasting products out there.) Anyway, later on - when she felt sure that she was getting correct response, then she simply had me hold a bit of the substance or a capsule in my L hand near the bottom of my throat. Later still, I could just hold the bottle near my throat to test.
(BTW, don't put remedies on your tongue or even touch them - I'm talking about non-energetic substances here.)
She was only partially accurate, simply because she refused to ask more detailed questions. Even after doing this for years, she seems to be under the impression that a simple question like.... `is this product good for me?' ....is adequate. And it certainly wasn't, in my case.
I THINK I've been making a lot of progress with the pendulum, and - get this - it seems to work best if I do it lying down on my back, with the pendulum above my stomach area held over a little copper loop thingie. Sitting or standing just doesn't work. Sounds strange, but it makes perfect sense to me knowing how my body works. I haven't really tested my answers yet - just been practicing to get the `feel' of it, trying to get consistent answers, working on my own focus of attention, finding out where my `fatigue' point might be and I need to stop, etc.
Yikes! This got long real quick! Sorry about that.....
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Tracy, the testing goes like this with charts: put the point of the pendulum in the middle of the circle (or half circle) and wait there. You make the question, then wait to see what it shows.
I'm really enjoying my book, now that I started to use it more. The more I know the charts, the more confident I seem to get answers.
Yes, you don't need to buy new substances as one substance work for sooo many different things.
At least for me, it's like this. AS I have a big collection of many homeopathic remedies, I just keep them together in boxes, and go testing with my hand (hand picking test).
Dr. K. would use something better for starters (it works for everyone), that are the 'Signal verstarker' (signal enhancers, in English?).
These are plexi glass blocks are placed near the person that is being tested and the tester, and all are 'connected' through room light.
It's an amazing trick to test many substances at once, without even touching these substances. It works very well.
Gotta go,
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks Tracy - yes... I'm doing alot of liver support herbs & juicing. The pain has reduced alot so I don't feel so concerned about doing another flush. I believe this is the bottleneck for my ill health. I'm also taking some lecithin. Castor oil packs are supposed to be good, too.
I have been taking small doses of pain meds for a long time. This may be part of the problem. I need to try to cut all of that out. I actually am going to make some homeopathic remedies of them so I can stop using them. They have Tylenol in them - so, this may have effected my liver.
After my liver is straight - I can detox some of the other toxins like mercury.
The glutathione remedy seemed to work. Here's the directions of how to make a remedy, Robin -
Here are 7 herbs that work together to reduce inflammation, pain and help flush Gallstones safely out of the body.
1. Barberry Bark- Barberry is one of the best remedies for and promoting the flow of bile. It is indicated when there is an inflammation of the gall bladder or in the presence of gallstones. When jaundice occurs due to a congested state of the liver, Barberry is also indicated. Studies show that the main ingredient berberine, activates the macrophages (literally, "big eaters"), white blood cells that devour harmful microorganisms.
2. Wild Yam Root- Wild yam is very good for the liver and endocrine system, by toning and nourishing the gallbladder, it helps to balance hormone production.
3. Cramp Bark- Known as a nerve sedative and anti-spasmodic and therefore helping with cramps. This is very helpful for people with Gallstones. It is also used to relieve muscle tension in the intestines, airways, uterus, and striated muscles in the limbs or back. It has also been used in treating high blood pressure and other circulatory conditions.
4. Fennel Seed- Helps open obstructions of the liver, gall bladder and spleen to ease painful swellings. Fennel is also used to treat yellow jaundice, the gout and occasional cramps.
5. Ginger Root- Shrinks liver tumors in animal testing. Also, impairs cholesterol absorption and stimulates the conversion of cholesterol to bile acids which further cleanses the liver and gall bladder. Ginger also inhibits platelet aggregation.
6. Catnip Herb- Catnip nourishes the stomach and nerves. It calms the nervous system and is used also for digestion. Catnip herb has also been used to treat inflammation and help to eliminate toxins and flush Gallstones.
7. Peppermint Leaf- Preliminary clinical trials suggest that formulas containing peppermint and related terpenes (fragrant substances found in plants) can dissolve Gallstones.1 A number of studies indicate that peppermint may aid in reducing the size of gallstones and thus help some people avoid surgery. Also known as a muscle relaxant and reduces inflammation.
No parasite killers, but plan to do the hulda clark cleanse for that.
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Thank you Joey. I needed that.:-) I'm herxing and its an anxiety, mental herx. Must be the HH with the cumanda.
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Thank you Sparkle. Thank you for the link and info. Yay! Something else to look forward to! I mean that... I'm not the only one who secretly enjoys some of this, right? I love learning all this.. or am I fooling myself?:-D
Castor oil packs and at least 3-4 days in a row have helped me everytime so far. They calm something down. Thats with the pain nest to right rib that radiates to the back.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Sparkle, I got it! How much vodka do you add? Do you do that to each dilution in the end then how much? How many diultions did you make and how did you test to take?
Basically... I can do this with liquid magnesium or powdered magnesium or chlorella, like you have Selma.. must have to use a finely powdered chlorella or a liquid?
At what point do you think you might need a (brain foggy.. sorry... ) shaky thing to shake them up? Is that when you work alot with making higher dilutions?
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
How to dowse for health (tensor)
even how to make one out of copper wire.. I'm going to try this.
pardon the this is not pagan statement, as some of us are.. I hope. I think he means this is not drawing other energies.
Oh.. thank you for the links to the chart books, Tracy. I like the way they are divided up. That is a shame the homeopathics.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Woah...this is interesting.. dont share his exact spiritual views, but those can be adjusted to perspective
I like the idea of maybe sometimes at least not having to focus on every detail.
He gets into clearing a house. as well as healing the body in a general way of using energy to install or uninstall as well as general identification.. dowsing out energy patterns in a space and in the body.. interesting..
Thanks Robin... Wish I knew about those herbs about 10 days ago... It's all still good.
Cumanda made me herx alot. I started on one drop & worked it up to 30. It took me months - it's strong stuff.
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Funnily enough Ive just started taking those herbs! I need something for extra liver support as I have just recently started taking Olive Leaf and had a huge herx and also had liver pain too.
I remembered I had some of those herbs left in my cupboard, as Ive taken them in the past and they have definitely helped with bile flow, and helping; to clear some toxins out. I am feeling more energy too tho the extra energy is no doubt also due to taking the olive leaf. Barberry in particular is a great liver herb.
Hope they help you Sparkle if you try them.
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
oops sorry double post!
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Milk thistle seeds are very good, too.
I'm taking a couple of products - Liver Life by BioRay & a product called Stone Free by Planetary Herbals.
Dr. Christopher is/was a very good herbalist. Sounds like a good combination.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Just last update with my daughter: she needed again high dilutions of borrelia, 30C, 200K, 1,000K a few days ago (through photons).
She started complaining of bits of knee pain, but after the photons, she's back to symptomless... Then again, borrelia disappeared from the energetic test. Bartonella though disappeared with the Arnica 6D.-
She's off arnica for a few days, bart is still not testing.
Today, her body told me she still has borrelia. It is in her heart. But photons will NOT help her, not even higher homeopathic dilutions of borrelia. Nor antibodies of borrelia.
I found out that PHYTOLACA homeopathic kills borrelia for her. Funny. She has absolutetly no heart symptoms, she loves running, she's the fastest runner of her Kindergarten with much bigger kids than her (as she's one of the smallest in height!). But as tests say, I just treated her heart with Phytolaca...
Now again, I can't find borrelia in the tests. I am kind of happy phytolaca tested for the first time ever for borrelia.
It MIGHT mean she's cleaning the LAST of borrelia now. It also might mean though, that borrelia is creating resistance to the nosode-photon treatment?? Hopefully not.
Of course, the heavy metal vial tests in her heart. So I'll do another product again with her saliva to unblock her heart region. Let's see how it goes. So far, we had been successful with these attempts to unblock areas with stuck metals / toxins through saliva products. It does feel like what the people doing AI is doing, but we're not on the AI, jsut with home made saliva products, tested individually.
She had had the same joint pain I had while on metal detox, and recently, she has had bits of muscle pains that test as liberating metals. Chlorella tests in higher amounts for her, so I guess my tests are good. The pain comes and goes, but it usually doesn't last more than 2 days.
She is born with MY mercury, then got fed with my mercury (breast milk), so ... she's got a lot to clean.
She's barely testing for any chlorella for the moment as we stopped the saliva (3rd round). Now I'll prepare 4th round, specifically trying to address the heart region. I don't know if I'm imagining this all...
Bejoy is also trying these saliva products (like autonosode), I think she can back me on these experiments!!! She's also having metals being liberated, if I understood well??
My daughter is not testing for pollen allergy. Husband not testing for sun allergy. Let's see what will come in the next months!! I'm very excited! ---
As for myself, I'm having some strains of fungi on my hands. I treated them with photons few days as Sanum doesn't address these specific strains. It's my feeling that photons don't kill fungi as well as it kills SOME bacteries and MOST viruses.
If other photon users have other opinion, I'm very interested to know.
I guess the MAIN problem with fungi are mycotoxins, probable allergy to these, and sluggish lymph drainage. Again, I'm treating all my organs with homeopathic substances to support detox, including my adrenals.
My saliva product tests as eliminating mucor toxins... Today, I think it was my last day on the 3rd round, I'l lgo to the 4th if I don't test for it tomorrow.
The hand infection is under control, but still here with me. I'm not taking any killer whatsoever for it.
I find EXTREMITIES like hands, feet, skin, as they have less lymphatic circulation, less blood circulation, they need extra help. Both pathogens and toxins can easily accumulate there.
If I had the ionic detox foot bath I would put my hands in there to see what I got. I guess these foot bath machines shall be my next purchase?
Any suggestions?
I'm still using photons, not for killing, but to help lymph moving in my hands. Not daily, but like once every 3-4 days?
I'm also using photons with my adrenal gland. Photons going through cristal quartz there feels like heaven!
Apart from my hands, I think I'm again in remission from borrelia. It's been some time I don't need to treat borrelia. I gotta wait about 3 months WITHOUT treating borrelia to be sure.
My main treatment now is still metal detox. The years go on, and I'm always back to it. The KPU protocol seems interesting, and I'll be sure to take a look into B6 and other supplementation when I get stuck with liberating metals again. So far, no need to make more mobilization.
I'm not taking any mobilizer, but metals are simply popping from all over again. I'm having the metal detox joint pain here and then and still ingesting chlorella 2x day! Nothing dramatic though.
My lyme doctor did ozone injections in two teeth (one beside the other) and I think this is working to deal with cavitations. I don't know how long the effect will last (I still need two injections according to him), but he said dr. K. is now using (or recommending) ozone injections, before recommeding to pull the teeth off like before.
The teeth were testing as FOCAL problem. This is an important thing to treat as they irradiate problems ALL over. Many of the points I was treating with neural therapy tapping DAILY in my face until Sunday, around eyes, scalp, they simply stopped testing like magic after the ozone. I just stopped doing the head tapping.
Another proof of the FOCAL PROBLEM theory. A bad tooth can radiate problems all over. I feel my body is not desperate to take the tooth off anymore, like I was feeling just before this Monday. Until Sunday, that was my ONLY thought.
He tested the mudra of ABSOLUTE PRIORITY, and it came up as 'yes' for these teeth.
If you guys are interested in mudras (hand positions), they are amazing, so rich and there are SO MANY of them to see whole lots of problems. Like if our hands are REAL computers. The Germans are strong for that. I have dozens of photos of mudras, and about a hundred positions to test...
I'm still new on the various types of mudras (to test heavy metal toxicity, other types of toxicity, lack of certain vitamins, etc). But it's fascinating!
Have a nice weekend you all!
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Good to hear your update, Selma. Thanks for all the information and ideas.
Selma's technology on saliva dilutions is amazing.
I like the idea of ionic foot bath to treat extremities for fungals. My feet are pretty bad.
I have a sota silver pulser and will make a foot bath with it, using the clips and steel spoons instead of silver or probes.
I have done this once before and it felt great, but it doesn't make colors because the metals won't oxidize and react with the body chemistry.
At some point when my brain has more room again, I'd love to learn those mudras. Two of my practitioners use them.
I look forward to hearing how the ozone injections work for you.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
How about an activated charcoal poultice for hands or feet? Or clay? There a lady in Hawaii who sells this Magnetic Clay for bathing in - it's pretty good.
I'm starting to trend towards doing a big juice fast with support herbs. If the organs don't function properly, how can we detox? Dr. Schulze has a good program called the Incurables Program. I'm considering trying it.
I think you have to fast on fresh juices & take herbs & do some other methods of detoxing for 30 days. I have to study it a bit more.
I'm not very interested in doing any of the finer things like homeopathy or using infrared light until I get all of the toxins out. I don't feel like my organs of elimination are clear.
Mercury can take your whole life to get rid of. I don't see how we are ever going to get rid of it completely. It's in everything... even cucumbers.
Dr. Schulze is a bit fanatical but I think he makes some sense about his protocols. It may be worth a try to get the organs detoxed as much as possible so your body will be able to get rid of the toxins - whether they are from Bb, viruses, chemicals, metals...
Ultimately, it's your body that has to do the work of elimination. Supplements or energy medicine can only go so far if your organs are not functioning properly.
The toxins are on a physical level - they may have to be removed by something other than energy medicine...? I think energy medicine is great but it may need to be supplemented with physical clearing.
Just my thoughts for today...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Sparkle, energy medicine like homeopathy can go much further than anything chemical, most plants or supplements. It belongs to one level above (or two levels above the physical-biochemical) and heals from up to down.
I am not using any killer with homeopathy (ingested), only things to make my organs work. We check carefully each organ to support detox.
My lyme doctor has been doing that for years for all his patients. He never concentrates much in killing. 75% of his time is spent in finding problems, cleaners, balancing what's wrong, psychological hints for his patients and some treatment in his office.
Cilantro homeopathic does much deeper detox than simple cilantro tincture. Now I'm almost sure about that.
Cilantro tincture never tested really good for me, except for rubbing. Now this cilantro homeopathic tests much better and it does mobilize, even if I rub only.
I just saw that now dr. K. is using a sort of energized cilantro !!? I wonder if this is not simply cilantro homeopathic??
See also what dr. C. is doing with Samento, certainly imprinting some homeoapthic frequencies and saying it works better than the tincture.
The only homeopathic killer I am taking is the one through photons. So energy remedies can kill or detox on the physical level. I mean, just see what we are doing with photons!
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Fasting is a GREAT idea. Fasting did to me one of the most strong cleansing I experienced, just by itself.
But it doesn't change your body or organs the way homeopathy does, in my opinion. It's more mechanical, even though it caused me a sort of 'spiritual' detox too.
The most amazing thing was that my urine got soo stinky while fasting, and I ate nothing, not even fruits, just teas. After a few days I had to eat fruits as I continued to jog (bad idea). It's like the body enters in detox mode.
You are right concerning mercury. We won't eliminate it all, but we have to lower the burden to stop infections to show up by themselves.
Now my fight are with candida/ fungi, they still get stuck in my hands and feet.
My aim is to stop having too many storage places for heavy metals. I don't think we can eliminate all the mercury in us either. Just lower the burden. I decided to live on chlorella forever.
That's the only plant I don't think I will ever abandon as a supplement. Every one at home is on it for years.
Just taking chelators is a very very limited way to eliminate heavy metals. For me, chelators worked wonderfully well for the first 6 months, then they lose effect, even shifting chelators.
Their effect lasts for a couple of days, then they simply don't 'work' anymore.
The most difficult part is to find ways to unblock storage places of metals.
--- The guy is an interesting guy, dr. Schultze. Interesting suggestions, thanks for posting.
I'll try listening to the activated charcoal part later!! Thanks!
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Bejoy -- I had the ozone injections for 4 cavitations and I don't think I would have gotten very far without them. My DDS who administered the injections did it with ART and was able to determine and ensure their complete effectiveness. I wasn't well after them, but better and determined they are a necessary peice in getting well.
Its great to hear we are doing many things incrementally both physically as sparkle found and energetically like Selma and her daughter. We keep advancing a bit at a time with each treatment we do.
Today I spent time with my son on his birthday and mothers day out on the water. We did about an hour and 1/2 on the river kayaking. I can't believe how much stronger I'm getting. I was actually racing with my son who is very strong and we did it against the current. I kept up with him with no problem and we were racing a bit. I still feel pretty good, although I over did natural photons. Yep! a slight sun burn. I'll chock that up to natural healing.
We also did a 3 mile hike to go along with the kayaking. I drove for about 5 hours total. So it was a great family day, a day I felt completely normal. I think I can get use to this although I'm a bit tired now.
I haven't posted in a while, just wanted to post an update.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Hi Bob - thinking of you! Good to hear you are living life!
Did flush #3 today - I'm kind of ill from it. It's been hard on me but it seems like it's worthwhile.
Kind of unbelievable stuff came out... I looked over at curezone.com in the parasites forum & it may actually be Bb colonies! I'm not exactly sure what it is but I hope it's not a bad thing.
I guess I'd have to have some kind of test of what it is but I don't know who would do that. Sorry, I don't mean to be gross but it happened. I did have alot of big sand size gall stones come out, too.
It's pretty hard on me doing this but I think in time my liver will be alot better off. I don't know if I'm ready for a massive detox program like the Schulze Incurables program but he has alot of good ideas.
The energy medicine is very good but I don't know if I could have gotten the gall stones out of my liver that way. Fungus is a big thing. Some people find it's related to cancer.
Fungus Causing Cancer -- A Novel Approach to the Most Common Form of Death http://tinyurl.com/589q28
Do you think baking soda would help?
Selma - I was looking into the herb hawthorn for heart issues. It may be of interest to you. http://www.nutrasanus.com/hawthorn.html Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
I really don't think it's a good idea to do the flushes this aggressively. Listen to your body... you should feel optimal before you do another flush. Even Hulda Clark says the "every 2 week" flush is only for the relatively healthy, not for the ill
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I hope you'll be fine, Sparkle... I've never done that, so I can't say. It looks wild though. But great that toxins are flushing out.
I am thinking about you because I decided to test my camphor oils I had in my cabinet, to see if they tested as helping to move the lymph... They tested good in a few consecutive days.
I decided then to rub on all lymphatic nodes or places where there are lots of lymphatic canals (I had bought a book long time ago to learn manual lymph drainage). I avoided though the central line of the body (front part) as camphor will do a sort of accupuncture effect there.
Amazing feeling.
First day, I got tired. Energetic tests said, yes, lymph was moving faster. But I woke up tired, more than usual, with some pains on kidneys.
I rubbed cilantro homeopathic there and pain was gone (so it was probably some heavy metals accumulated there due to lymph moving faster?).
In the end of the day though I had more energy than usual and saw my fingers were not so swollen.
I had so much energy I decided to start cleaning my wardrobe at 22:00hs.
Second day, I got much more energetic, and my fingers got totally unswollen.
I'm not taking any killer for the last days, not even photons, so it shall be the rubbed camphor effect. I stopped most homeopathics too for a while, only taking Abrotanum and my saliva product now.
But saliva doesn't test as killer, never so far. It does tests as helping the lymphatic system though. But I'm with saliva for months, while the camphor, I'm only doing for the last 2 days.
I'm inviting you people to do the experiment with camphor, rubbing
the head area (under the chin, side of neck, up on shoulder),
trunk (armpit, inside elbow, on tummy area, specially to the sides and around navel, but avoid middle line of the body),
upper part of hips on your back,
connection of hips to the legs in front (soft part), behind the knee. And I rubbed on toes and fingers where blood circulation and lymph circulation are sluggish.
Just a bit of camphor, not much (it's a sort of paste used for colds).
soon after rubbing,I already feel something (relaxed or tired feeling).
It's like doing manual lymph drainage, but faster (as to do a good manual lymph drainage, one needs minimum an hour to do on the whole body).
You do that before going to bed and may wake up next morning feeling better (or worse, in the initial days, as toxins move).
I do think the fungal infections in my hands now stopped. My fingers are really totally unswollen. The main problem in extremities is for me lack of blood or lymph circulation.
I'll get some good camphor oils next time I go to the city to do more experiments. I tried on my daughter yesterday, for a cold she caught, it tests very good. NOT ON HER CHEST, but only on lymphatic nodes of the head area, until armpit.
One problem with camphor though is that the smell is strong and may mess with homeopathics.
My upper part of shoulder, which is an important lmyph area, that usually gets hard to touch, got clearly softer WITHOUT massages. I usually need to do massages there to get it as soft as now.
I need to rub camphor for longer to see if it really makes this part softer (shoulder), then it will confirm to me that it really makes the lymph moving!
After manual lymphatic drainage massage, this part will get softer almost for sure, if the massage is done properly. The lymph coming from the head mainly drains from that point.
So now again, I'm am starting a new ZERO INFECTION phase. Today is day one.
Let's see what will show up now. Hopefully nothing, but I got to wait and see. I usually get mucor or aspergilus or any other candida strains in such phases... Or catch a cold!
My new saliva batch is detoxing heavy metals my brain (through energetic tests), I feel a bit high (like when I drink wine) and with an incontrolable desire to sing.
My bear garlic tincture is now 'cooking'!
I decided to do a mother tincture of CGF too, one interesting extract of chlrorella vulgaris. My daughter always test so good for it, and it does seem that kids that grow on it have no cavities and their jawbones develop perfectly.
The problem is it's an expensive extract. I'm doing a mother tincture with it and I suspect that homeopathic dilutions to D6 test the same as the powder of CGF. I still got to wait and see, then test on my 'poor' daughter...
I always compare with the original undiluted version to see if I'm not imagining things...
I'm amazed to see that homeopathic D1 bear garlic tests better than whole ticnture, that Cilantro D6 tests better than tincture, and even cod liver oil D1 tests better than oil itself. It's amazing.
I've been doing these tests for months to be convinced that a few supplements work better in homeopathic dilutions than in original concentrated form.
I am having hopes that both ecklonia cava (THE super anti oxidant plant!) and CGF do test good in homeopathic dilutions too.
It doesn't work for all substances though. Certainly not the camphor I have, nor propolis, nor NDF, nor many many stuff like cardamon, cloves, etc.
Even chlorella, nope, it becomes a mobilizer if you dilute it, it won't be the great binder it is, it seems. So not all substances work better in the homeopathic version...
--- the Simoncini theory looks very interesting, indeed. It is known that most cancer patients test positive for candida (not energetic tests, but in autopsys)...
Researchers initially thought that cancer patients have their immune system compromised, that is why they develop candida. But this doctor thinks it's the opposite.
Sanum experts also don't differenciate much treating infections or pre cancerous phases. They all use the same type of products and approaches.
Dr. K., I think he would agree that for any person with any chronic disease, the treatment is more or less the same: detox toxins, kill infections, treat psycho issues and you'll get healthier. No matter if the guy has lyme, or MS, ALS, cancer, autism, MCS ...
I thought this was strange in the beginning (why would he treat autism and lyme the same way, and even cancer?), but things make much more sense for me now. The more I do energetic tests, the more I see what Joey calls the "pathogenic soup" ALL OVER, in people I used to call 'healthy'.
We all struggle with infections, some with symptoms, some with little or no apparent symptoms. The infection load and aggressiveness vary, but critters are all over. I guess we're all part of evolution?!
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Hey Selma if you got so much energy I have a wardrobe that needs cleaning. Happy to hear about the increase in your energy.
Sparkle glad to hear you got through your third cleanse. After the cleanse its time to look into bile salts that may have been depleted from soooo much infection. Bile salts can be replenished through supplementation.
95% of bile recycles after being used. So getting bile regulated also clears the small intestines of candida infections and normalizes the flora. There is plenty of research on this in mice. I'll try to find some links on this later. Adding bile salts not only keeps the liver cleans but the small intestines as well. I'm also guessing that in time it will normalize the large intestine as well. It will take time! It might also help probiotics become more effective in the intestinal tract. Of course this is just a guess on my part.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
More great posts on this thread.
That's interesting about the lymphatic drainage and camphor, Selma. And you are right, camphor behaves like a `universal antidote' to nearly all homeopathic medicines, even when applied to the skin. Definitely something to keep in mind. (Camphora - as a homeopathic remedy - is a different story. It was the main remedy in certain Cholera epidemics.)
Here in the USA, you can get Oil of Camphor (or Spirits of Camphor) at almost store that has a pharmacy - quite inexpensive, too - just ask at the counter. They usually don't put it out on the shelf. I used it topically for awhile for temporary pain relief. It worked somewhat. Some people swear by it for muscle-type pain.
Oh. so glad you talked about the homeopathic chlorella acting more like a mobilizer/ chelator than a binder - I've been wondering about that. I just didn't see how it could retain the properties of a binder when diluted so much. Thanks!
Excellent report, Bob! I guess we should say `Happy Mother's Day' to you!
Could someone give me a definition of a `cavitation'? Does this occur only where there is a root canal or a tooth has been removed?
`Bb colonies', Sparkle? What did these look like? (If it was mucus-like, as I recall, that's a sign of inflammation.)
My bowels are still a problem, even with the Oregon Grape Root. It's a peristalsis/transit issue. I suspect the main problem may be in my low back, so I may have to try some cranial/ sacral work or something.
Well, I've decided that I'm going to do a 16-day, fresh (raw) applesauce diet (Hulda Clark)..... if I can figure out what I did with my blender. I used to LOVE juice fasting, but I can't do it anymore. Neither can my friend with Lupus - we both have horrible pain when trying to fast, with our intestines `tied up in knots'. I've always wanted to try that applesauce diet, but never did it. I just haven't decided WHEN would be a good time to start this. Wish I'd thought of it this winter.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Funny there's camphor homeopathic. I wonder what is used for. I know that I can't do a remedy with my product, but who knows about an original mother tincture of camphor?
I'm enjoying rubbing it all over, just once a day before bedtime. I am strongly suspecting just making my lymph move faster is helping to kill the remaining fungi on my hands. I mean, I think the infection stopped now and the only new thing I did was this camphor rubbing. It feels really good.
It doesn't test as killer, for sure, I've been asking on an on, not for my fungal strains at least.
-- As for cavitation, I guess you have to search for Gigi's posts. It's when bones are affected with infections, becoming like 'sponge', usually undetectable by X-rays.
I had it 3 times already, now I'm trying to treat it with ozone, without pulling my tooth off.
I saw a documentary about neolithic remnants near to Stonehenge. One skeleton there had clear signs of knee infection affecting deeply the bones and he also had cavitation, a big hole under one of his teeth (the tooth had cavities too).
The infection in his jaws must have been very big as it consumed his bone there, completely (you could even put your index inside the hole). The BBC documentary didn't say 'cavitation' but that was what it was! It looks like an old problem of humans!!
--- I hope you solve your bowel problem, Tracy. It's been already so long you are suffering there.
While I was very sick, I couldn't fast either. I even didn't try, just staying two hours without food made me feel so bad that I knew I couldn't fast. I just fasted out of nothing, last year, when I couldn't make my borrelia go dormant around September.
I had this idea out of nothing and in fact, that made my borrelia dormant for the next 5 months!!! It was my record!
But I was not feeling too bad then. Not weak like in previous years. I felt zero pain, which was surprising. My days had so many more hours, as when we don't eat, we don't lose time cooking, shopping for food, tidying the kitchen up. The days get incredibly longer!!
I guess there's good timing for everything. The remedy for one is the poison of the other, like in homeopathy!!!
Do you still eat wheat, milk and other allergenic food?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks Joey... I know you are concerned for me. I'm feeling ill today. Mostly just drained & my liver area is painful.
I'm going to try a castor oil pack. I think the last flush I did was about 3 weeks ago - so, it's not very close. I used my bobber & it said to go forward with it.
My liver may be in bad shape - so, it takes a bit to recover. People with hepatitis, AIDS & people who have to get gall bladder surgery (etc.) do the flushes & have had good results. It's not only for people who are well.
Maybe some people have bad results & don't do them again. Might be the case...? I've been ill for so long - it doesn't really matter.
I haven't been able to function for 10 years - what do I have to lose? Some people take an extreme approach & it works. I guess it's a gamble...
I wasn't getting anywhere with conventional medicine. I don't have any more money to waste on quacks - holistic or otherwise... (I don't mean to offend anyone - some doctors are good but I just don't know any here in the south & I don't have the money to burn in any case.)
So, what's next? The only way I could function was to take pain meds. That may have been making my liver worse - it may have been an endless cycle towards the negative.
I don't know what the root of it is but I felt I had to take a risk... How bad could olive oil, grapefruit juice & epsom salt be compared to IV abx, pain killers, & anti fungals?
I'm not sure what to make of the "nodes" that came out of me. Some people on curezone seem to think they may be Bb.
I looked through photos of parasites & they didn't look like any of them. One person posted a photo of something that looked similar & others suggested that it may be Bb...?
I'm not sure it's possible or how big something like this would be. I'm going to have to investigate this further. Wouldn't it be something if it was a Bb colony? Might make sense that it would reside in the liver...
So, I'm just going to take it easy today. Interesting about the camphor. That's the ingredient in 714X... They say on the website that it only works via injection into the lymph nodes - but it seems possible that it could work other ways.
Fasting never seemed to bother me. Everyone is different, though. The liver flushes do make me feel like the lymph ducts are loosening up. I'm still in the process of healing - so, I'll probably know more in a couple of weeks if I'm doing good or damage.
Some people have been reporting that using the Bionic 880 isn't a full cure... Maybe you have to use it more? Maybe the Dr. W technique isn't long enough? Just a passing thought that I had.
I didn't use the LightWorks with nosodes but I did it for longer. I didn't have a good reaction since I had a big detox from my bowels but I think I killed something off. I might have been too extreme but something happened.
I was reading a little about Dr Schulze's techniques & people thought they were extreme - ie: the Incurables Program.... Maybe with some things - you have to push it...? I'm not saying this is for everyone but hell... we're here fighting this crap.
13 years of my life has gone by being too ill to work or do anything. Yet, I can't get disability - what am I supposed to do?
Don't you think having a port with abx is a bit extreme? Some people do that & it seems OK since abx are the way to go for most people... Whichever way we go is a risk.
Thanks to you guys for all the great info you have posted here!
Posted by AndrewInCA (Member # 2010) on :
Thanks Brussels, lymie_in_md, bejoy, sparkle and others for this excellent thread. I believe this type of treatment will hold the key to my own wellness once I can get the ball rolling for myself.
Although I've read all the posts on the topic - what is the latest thinking on how Bionic (or other photon/nosode) treatments work?
I realize the answers may only be theories right now. Do the photons somehow directly kill the pathogens? Or do they instruct the body how to do it? Those are two theories I've heard. Other ideas?
I'd be curious to hear people's thoughts on this...
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Quick little quantum note. Gregg Braden says that photons (which we are made of, obviously) are effected by our thoughts, so think specifically. An experiment was done wiht photons that I think started the quantum science movement.. the photons seemed to "learn" or get info from the thought of the experimentors.. ??
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Sparkle.. test to see how many days in a row for the castor oil packs. Thats what my doctor did for me. The answer was six. She was not too off either. It took many nights and still does when my liver and or gallbladder are acting up. I leave it on a long time too... over night. I fall asleep with it on and with a microwave heated flax bag it stays warm a long time. ??
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I'm not really sure how the photons work but in my experience - they do! I didn't use nosodes but I used the light for longer time than with the Dr. W protocol. I also used the LightWorks - not the Bionic which is stronger.
Thanks, Robin. I did one today & it helped! I don't have a microwave. I just used a heating pad. Yes, EMFs, I know... What can you do?
Kind of thinking what came out of me was something like this???
I may have to start some kind of anti-parasite program. Thinking about MMS in time... I don't think my liver could handle it now.
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Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Hi louise -- I've cleared my mailbox.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Hey, where did my other post go? Hmf. Well, I'll repost - this is from awhile back.... sorry if some of it is a repeat but I can't find my old post.
Selma, you said:
**''Tracy, the testing goes like this with charts: put the point of the pendulum in the middle of the circle (or half circle) and wait there. You make the question, then wait to see what it shows.''**
LOL. Thanks, Selma, but I don't know what the pendulum is SUPPOSED to do on the chart. Is it supposed to swing along the trajectory line of the correct answer on the chart? (I.e., along one of the lines radiating out from the center of the half-circle?)
Bear in mind that I've been dealing with just simple `yes/no' questions, and clockwise or counter-clockwise movements, thus far. But that won't work with a chart. (Sorry to be so ignorant about some of this.)
Interesting about the plexi-glass blocks, Selma..... hmmm.
(I thought I posted this, too....) I've been tempted to go pick up some pieces of rose quartz at the little rock shop here. Rose quartz is supposed to be very protective against stray electromagnetic fields and such, so it could be helpful for me when dowsing. The copper should do that, too, so I can compare the effects. I guess I just like the idea of quartz because it hasn't been `manipulated' by man.
Sparkle, those cleanses might have triggered a simple inflammatory response. In my body, once inflammation starts it doesn't want to go away on it's own without some kind of intervention. So, it's possible that inflammation of your liver or gall bladder could make the toxicity problem appear worse than it really is. Just a thought.
And it seems that you do have some evidence now of parasites, so that could explain your reaction, too. I'm very skeptical that those lymephoto pictures are any kind of mutated Borrelia b..... if anything, they resemble small tapeworms (segmented structure). But who can say what they are, if it's a single organism or a colony, or even what part of the system they got flushed from. But they indicate SOMETHING, for sure.
You mentioned the heating pad..... that reminds me that I found some interesting information about stuff that antidotes homeopathic remedies.... some of it surprised me (no, heating pads don't antidote remedies, BTW). I think I saved some of the info.
I had a really wild thing happen yesterday - it gave me a pretty big scare. I'll post about it when I'm sure I'm `out of the woods'. Sheesh, it's always something.....
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Tracy... Yes, that's what the pendulum is supposed to do, to point to the right answer.
That's why it's easier if you just dray half a circle, then it can swing back and forth and you just care about one direction, not two directions like in full circles.
I hope the scare is gone, Tracy. Don't make us worried!
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Andrew, if you understand what homeopathic nosodes do, than I guess photons WITH nosodes do the same. Homeopathy is not chemical, it's like frequencies imprinted in water making your body do whatever it understands.
Sometimes the body gets the message from a frequency of a pathogen and kill that pathogen. Sometimes, it will use the pathogen frequency to kill other pathogens (like in case of using penicilin homeopathic). It can help killing.
You can use nosodes WITHOUT photons, as I had done, but the effect is weaker.
the surest treatment is the Bionic as it's been used for longer. But not everyone gets all their borrelia dormant EVEN with the Bionic.
Photons with infrared is a strong treatment in my opinion. For me, the EFFECT is not of 'harmonizing', but of killing, at least in lower dilutions (200d and less than 200D). The effect is just that the body starts killing borrelia. Exactly like when we ingest borrelia nosodes.
You need many binders to get the die off toxins away.
In higher borrelia dilutions, the effect is not of killing exactly, but more of 'harmonizing', clearing the footprints left by borrelia infections. That is how it feels.
ONe can only use NOgier to kill too, locally, and mostly only during the photon application, but it is not as effective as nosodes.
Nogier will kill only locally while nosodes through photons act in the whole body and the effect lasts many days, if not weeks.
What we've been seeing here, is that one needs a THOROUGH detoxing follow up to get good results with photons. And that killing borrelia ONLY is not EVERYTHING to become healthy from a day to another. Once borrelia load falls, there are still things to be treated.
Everything is experimental! Like anything with lyme treatment...
What is great, in my opinion, is that with any other killing approach, one needs COMBINATION of killers to get rid of borrelia, and it takes a long time, rotating abx and herbs, tinctures, etc to put borrelia dormant.
With photons, you just need photons + borrelia nosodes, that's it. And not daily, but very sparsely. And your body continues killing, without stop.
While with anything you ingest, the killing effect lasts only hours, then borrelia gains terrain back, then you need to take killers again, and so on......
The disadvantage with photons + nosodes is that, if you don't keep continuouly detoxing, your body IS continuously killing, so... you'll get stuck.
With abx and plants, if you get an overload of die off toxins, you can back off killer intake. With photons, there's no coming back.
As you are an 'old' lyme sufferer by your LN number (!), I'm sure you got experience with detox substances that work well for your body.
The Bionic looks the fastest, so far.
My PE1, I can't use more than one second per gate / accupuncture point, so I suppose that is too short, while the Bionic users use minutes in each accupuncture point.
While I think photons alone can kill borrelia, and they can instruct our bodies to kill borrelia through nosodes, photons can HELP some other critters too!!! So it doesn't kill everything.
Not only us use biophotons, but critters too!
Nogier frequencies are excellent for other things, I use it to strenghten adrenals, to help lymph drainage, kill candida in the tummy area, move heavy metals from stuck points, to help on arthritic pains, tummy pains, back pains, to give me energy. I also used on teeth, and still use it from times to times. I used it after my skin was burnt, and the effect was amazing.
I don't regret having started using photons. It was the best thing that happened to me this year.
I had an appointment with dr. W. but I cancelled it. If I need one day, I know I can still go and try the Bionic, but for the time being, I don't think I need it.
But by what I keep reading here, the Bionic works the best and the fastest for the ones in a hurry!! I mean, if done following dr. W's protocol, with the undiluted borrelia tincture included.
Without the undiluted borrelia, I still have my doubts which is the best machine / approach... We got to still keep reading other people's experiences!!
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Oh, thanks for some explanation of `cavitations', Selma. Sounds almost like a form of `necrosis' (bone death). Yikes!
I guess Camphora (the remedy) has many uses, like most remedies. All I remember is that one major indication is that there is a distinct lack of heat in the body - I guess that's a main sign in Cholera.
Selma, just wondering...... does application of your Camphor product cause you to feel warmer or cooler, either one? I'm curious.
Yes, I still eat small amounts of whole wheat and cottage cheese and butter - and I still eat chocolate and `sweets' and some fast food, and all kinds of things that could be `allergenic'. Which is one reason I want to do the applesauce diet - I want to eliminate virtually ALL foods and see how I feel. I can dowse on what to add back, slowly, and see how it goes. Good way to check my dowsing ability, too.
Antidotes:
I was looking at some homeopathic `antidotes' the other day - common things that can interfere with remedies - and there were some I'd not heard about.
Likely antidotes to homeopathic remedies (but everyone is different):
- coffee (it's not the caffeine, it's the actual coffee beans; tea, Coca-cola, chocolate and even caffeine tablets don't antidote) - camphor (I would include menthol here, too, personally) - Tea Tree Oil (or Melalucca - similar problem as camphor) - essential oils (I know of one case personally where Lavender oil antidoted) - antibiotics and steroids - dental drilling (low and medium-speed are worst; high speed is better) - Cavitron ultrasonic teeth-cleaning devices - acupuncture - mothballs (if exposed for more than a few minutes) - electric blankets (they are okay if turned off before getting in bed; TENS units & heating pads are okay) - geothermal hot springs (full immersion can antidote, but just inhaling the vapors will not; minerals added to the bath at home are okay, too)
Surprisingly, the following substances don't usually antidote (for most people):
- cigarettes (it didn't mention chewing tobacco or pipe-smoking) - tea - most caffeine-containing substances like Coke and chocolate (from above) - alcohol (except those with coffee in them like Kahlua; I've heard beer can antidote) - most allopathic medications (but they can delay or weaken the action of remedies) - recreational drugs (chronic use can end up antidoting, however) - heating pads (from above) - TENS units (from above)
Anyway, thought this was kind of interesting.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Selma, we posted at the same time.
Don't be alarmed, Selma - I'm still alive and feel okay! But I don't want to say something, then have to come back and correct it. Give me a day or two to make sure of what is happening.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Sending you good vibes, Tracy!
I have heard that it's the oil in the coffee beans that is counter to homeopathy. How long do you have to avoid these things while taking remedies, though? Some say you have to give them up completely & others say you just have to wait an hour or so...
I still don't know what that was that I passed. I never had any overt symptoms of parasites but I think most people have them to greater or lesser degrees. I tried researching them all day yesterday but I couldn't find anything that looked exactly like what I passed.
I'll probably try some MMS when my liver is better. I think the liver flushes are rough on me for some reason but I think it's been worthwhile. It's good to know I found my sore spot so I can work on getting it better.
When using the infrared light - at this time, it seems the big issue is making sure your organs can detox the pathogens, toxins & taking things to absorb, drain, or bind them.
I used the LightWorks for about an hour a day on various points & with various Nogier frequencies without nosodes. I did this for about 2 - 3 weeks & I had a very strong detox reaction that lasted 2 months.
During those 2 months, I could not tolerate using the LightWorks any more. I kind of threw caution to the wind - but the result was pretty interesting. I was not "cured" but something happened. I know I can't tolerate too much infrared light or I get ill.
My recent findings about my liver situation makes sense in light of the reaction I had. I know other people who can use the LightWorks for hours & they do not have the same reaction.
So, it's probably not a one-size-fits-all solution with any of these infrared devices. Since there are no doctors who really work with this - outside of NDs who may use the Bionic in EU... It's pretty much all experimental.
Everyone is different & may require vast adjustments to these types of protocols.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Tracy, with camphor, I also wonder, I don't feel anything special. With peppermint, I get cold after, but with camphor, I feel nothing (maybe it's not too strong?). I don't have a pure camphor oil, just something I had to rub on the chest when we catch a cold...
I need to buy the pure oil to check. Then FOR SURE, I'll get camphora homeopathic to test too.
I'm getting addicted to the camphor rubbing. It does something that feels VERY CLOSE to manual lymph drainage feeling.
I either get very relaxed, or very tired, then after, renewed energy comes.
If the camphora homeopathic rubbed on skin moves the lymph as much as the oil is doing, it will be an AMAZING remedy. It tests well every single day for me, daughter and husband.
I'm not rubbing on muscles, only on lymph 'nodes'. Tomorrow I'll try it twice a day.
Even my chlorella amount diminished drastically after introducing rubbed camphor. I feel my shoulder is much softer than usual too, like after manual lymph drainage.
the only problem is that the kidneys get more work to do, and I need rubbing cilantro D6 there again, once a day, probably to help flush toxins / metals out.
My homeopath always says to add alcohol when using homeopathics on skin to increase absorption. My guess is camphora D 200. I'll let you know!
since I started on camphor, parsley tincture stopped testing too, meaning, I need less ingested cleansers. Same for my daughter.
The number of chlorella/ day also dropped to half the amount or even less for us all. It looks promising! It would be great to have something that is equivalent to daily manual lymph drainage!!!
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Thanks, Sparkle.
Ah, the oil in the coffee beans makes sense..... Some people are so sensitive to coffee that they can't use it at all, and even foods with coffee in them will antidote remedies. I don't have that problem, fortunately.
I just try to avoid taking remedies until about 30 minutes after I've finished my coffee in the morning - more as a precaution than anything. My coffee is 2/3 decaffeinated anyway, which could be a factor since some of the oils in the beans will be washed away during the decaf. process. Seems like there have been many times when I've taken remedies before drinking coffee and they still worked. Also, my body is accustomed to drinking coffee every day. If I didn't drink coffee often, it would be more likely to antidote remedies (from what I've read).
Selma, maybe camphor on the lymph nodes isn't enough to make a difference in body temperature or sensation of warmth, etc. It might take rubbing on a large muscle area to feel any difference.
I did a little checking on camphor oil......
Interestingly, camphor has been used in Ayurvedic medicine as a germ killer, and used in Persia as a remedy for the plague. Hmmm.
When distilled, 3 fractions of camphor are produced: white, yellow, and brown camphor. Only white camphor should be used because both the brown and yellow camphor are toxic and carcinogenic. (Gee, I certainly hope there aren't products out there with yellow or brown camphor in them!?)
The Camphor Spirit that I got ages ago at the pharmacy is 84% wood alcohol, and it is definitely poisonous.....(it doesn't indicate what kind of camphor is used in it, either).
BUT, pure Camphor Oil is sold as an `essential oil' here in the USA. And one description I read says that they only use the white camphor. Still, even white camphor can be toxic if ingested. So, caution is in order here even if used topically (since it is absorbed through the skin). Anybody with asthma shouldn't use camphor or breathe the fumes. Seems like a homeopathic might be safer and more effective.
Gee, D200! Seems like a pretty high potency for topical application..... didn't you say you usually found that the lower D potencies work more on the `physical' level, such as lymph drainage?
This could be another one of your important discoveries, Selma!
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Here's a great little true story that illustrates the `germ' versus `terrain' theories of disease!
quote:``Of all the germ distributors, the most notorious is from before our time. Dr Arthur W. Waite of Philadelphia...... wanted in 1916 to kill his father-in-law. He turned out to be an embarrassment to medical science and, by proxy, to the bio-warfare industry.
``In his lab, he had billions of germs, microbes, bacilli, bacteria and vira.
``He fed the old man diphtheria and got no results.
``Then he induced his father-in-law to use a nasal spray, in which he planted whole colonies of tuberculosis. Not a single cough was heard.
``Next he fed him calomel [used as a cathartic and an insecticide], to weaken his resistance. He tried typhoid; he tried the flu. He tried pneumonia and dysentery.
``He even sent the plague and when all these germs failed to do the intended, he went common and used Arsenic. That worked!
``If anything, one gets the impression that diets and inhalations of germs, bacilli and microbes, bacteria and vira are good for your health. ``
(Fort C. - The Book of the Damned)
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Gee Tracy, what's that story???
The dr's father in law must have been in great health not to be sick with all these germs!!!!
Thanks for all the info on camphor!
As for the D200, I don't know, I just tested it from here without having the substance in my hands. I have to get it in my hands to be sure, then use it, and compare results.
Thanks for saying it can be toxic. I suppose most things are toxic, in great amounts. That's why I'm trying to use the homeopathic version...
I keep asking if it is killing any pathogen on myself and daughter and the answer comes negative. But we're in sort of limbo for pathogens now, nothing really testing active... It may be a killer as it's used for colds too.
If the D200 doesn't work well, I'll try a few other dilutions to see. Or I'll make my own from an original solution /oil.... Better the D than C or it can knock me down!!
I'm sort of excited to try it!!! I find lymph one of the most difficult systems to deal with, and when the lymph finally flows with manual lymph drainage, cardamon, or some customed homeopathics, the feeling is amazing, soo relaxing.
But if camphor (homeopathic or not) works 'mechanically', not custom tested, like cardamon, that would be a great substance to add. But if it is toxic, I don't see it testing long term... unless in the homeopathic version.
Maybe in the future I'll need lower dilutions, or the M or LM dilutions??
This could be a GREAT help for me to say farewell to my hands and feet fungal problems. My feet are much better since I bought the PE1, but my hands keep having an infection or other coming back. Especially when photons cannot kill the pathogen that appears there (because it feeds these pathogens?...).
Candidas and mucor don't like infrared, but the pathogens that remained in the end seemed to have enjoyed my PE1 too!!!
These fungal problems were prelyme, very old problems... They are quiet for a couple of days now, but until when....
If the lymph keeps moving till fingers / toes, I don't think there's much chance for pathogens to grow there. And it will be easier to do metal detox there too... I suppose.
I feel like the more I clean heavy metals, I get them out of stuck places and into my blood, then these fungal infections reactivate in my extremities.
As though the metals I flushed from somewhere else deposited in my extremities due to sluggish lymph drainage and then fungi grew there. That's my feeling after all these years trying to take heavy metals out from my body.
Before metal detoxing, before lyme, I only got these feet infections during cold months, when my feet were like ice. Again, bad circulation reactivating pathogens.
If my lymph keeps moving, I wonder if these pathogens will have enough toxins in my extremities to grow and be happy there. Hopefully not.
I suppose many lyme sufferers have pathogens in their feet (as most have cracking heels), but not all have symptoms?!
It was interesting to read someone else here in LN taking blood out from fingers and comparing to vessel blood. He said that when he check his own blod in the microscope, he saw MANY more pathogens in finger blood than in vessels!! It looks logic, doesn't it?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
This article is very good about Fungal Infections -
Have you thought of trying ozone (like ozonated olive oil salve), colloidal silver or alkalizing the body with baking soda/lemon, Selma?
Thanks for the info about camphor, Tracy. I have used cheap spirits of camphor for a herpes infection on my mouth many years ago. It heals it very quickly. It's an ingredient in a popular lip salve called Carmex.
I kind of stopped using it when I heard it could be carcinogenic. It's probably OK if it's the white kind & used in moderation. Garlic is carcinogenic according to Hulda Clark... so, you never know. It also depends on the other toxins or chemicals present.
Strange story about Dr. Waite... Sort of like an old timey Chemical Ali... What happened to his Hippocratic Oath?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
PS - I have re-read some of this thread. All I can say is that Alv was right!
Thanks Alv!
I think I was in denial about the parasite issue... If I had it to do over again - I would do the Hulda Clark methods in the proper order... not start with the liver flush. It may take longer but it's worth it.
I really had no recognizable symptoms of parasites. I guess to someone who knows, it may have been more overt.
At this time, I feel parasite detox is really an important aspect of treating ourselves.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Yes, voting for Alv too!!!
I never tried colloidal silver, I'm also in denial (just the name silver makes me get away from the back door).... I'd rather try other killers.
I don't think I need more candida-fungal killers for the moment. My main problem must be somewhere else.
The article was good, I'm in the SAnum protocol since September last year. Alkalinizing the body is just a tiny part of the healing process. As I said, these ingested alkalinizers do very little for me.
What I prefer is the Sanuvis, lactic acid dilutions, mostly to rub on, as my tissues are acid sometimes, but not my blood. Every time an infection takes hold of my skin, the skin tests acid. So I just rub on it. It rarely tests for ingestion for many months.
All the normal Sanum products are not testing for me, for the moment. My last strains of fungi were different from the Sanum ones, they are also quiet now.
I'm still needing the lymphatic drainage camphora (I started with the homeopathic version D200, so far so good), and still wake up with bits of swollen fingers, so there may be killing going on in my body, even if I'm not taking any killer.
Possibly from my teeth that was ozonated last week, possibly from these fungal strains that try to hang on...
I guess Hulda C. is right on the parasite having candida all over their bodies. Kill the parasites, then candida wouldn't return ??
When I ask if I have liver parasites, I get a yes. I can't find which though. I guess I have to get a go on a liver flush too!!!
Do you use her liver flush recipy, Sparkle? I guess I have to go back to this thread too...
For the moment, my infections are all quiet... But I'd rather do something else than my camphora D200 rubbing to really keep them away for good though.
As for clostridium, that Clark believes is linked to cancer, I already tested for some of the strains (there are quite a few!) and treated them with photons. They so far, they didn't come back.
I was surprised to see she sees Clostridium in most pre-cancer patients.
I don't have any flukes nosodes though. I guess I have to contact the people who sell things for Bicom to get these? They shall have the nosodes, if I understood well... I'd be curious to test them in the cancer people around...
If Alv or anyone knows where to find these fluke nosodes or photos to test, I'll be glad!!
Sparkle, when I started this thread, you barely believed you needed more detox, now you are on a detox craze (more than myself!).
You didn't believed you had parasites, now you start to be a believer.
The next thing I'll try to convince you is the bad effect of EMRs. These are real killers too!!!
I mean, just joking, but all these crazy things we are doing here, the detox craze, heavy metals detox, chemical products avoidance, vaccination detox and avoidance, stricter diets, cavitations cleaning, root canals off, amalgams off, plastics in the body = bad, metal in the body or mouth = bad, scars (many are also a must to treat),
psychological load impacting health in many levels, parasite crazy theories, candidal infections and many other fungal and mold infections crazy theories, mycotoxins being worse than infections themselves,
the allergy problem, trying to correct the body to recognize toxins so that it flushs them out, the bad EMRs and avoiding these... all these stuff impact our health in profound ways. I believe that all now.
But before I caught lyme, I would have put people believing on all those stuff above in a sanatorium for mental treatment.
What I still can't believe is that we are sick mostly due to genetic deffects and that this is irreversible. I still can't buy that theory for most of us...
Who knows one day someone convinces me, that we have to be on medications for the rest of my life to correct my genetic deffect and be able to detox or whatever?
My aim is never ever take any prescription medicine for more than a few days, only in acute cases.
I see my parents being poisoned by these anti-everything medicines they take for years, my grand parents, and they just keep sick, hypertensive, diabetic, now with neurological symptoms, now staring to get infections they never got,
They still get their annual flu vaccinations recommended by doctors, and start to feel the brain effect of all that (some sort of Alzenheimer symptoms), eyes getting bad due to diabetis (soon need operation) etc etc.
Every year, the number of prescription medicines they take increase, and their health decrease.
I'm terribly allergic to these types of treatment, using acute disease remedies to treat chronic conditions. It makes zero sense. But they follow their doctors, who am I to say the contrary?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I wouldn't have known about the gall stones & the flukes if I didn't do the liver flush. Bob twisted my arm - LOL... I figured, what the hell, I'll try it.
I had no idea I had so much garbage in there. The liver is very resilient. It can take alot of abuse. The body just stores all of this stuff up & then we don't know why we are so ill.
I think all of these types of health issues are our generation's illnesses. It's not natural that so many of us are so ill, so young. Our parent's issues were diabetes, heart disease, cancer... for us, I believe, it's all of these weird pathogens & chemicals.
The connections with these funguses, yeasts, molds & the viruses, bacteria, parasites is horrifying...
Then, many of us may get the other big 3 diabetes, heart disease, cancer on top of that - later in life. I hope not but that's what it seems like.
I'm not going to rule out any treatments but the drugs seem dangerous to me. Abx cause fungal growth. I think they are derived from fungus - so, it seems like not the best idea to use them long term.
Metallic Blue posted alot of articles that they don't really help long term in many cases, either... I believe it just makes all these bugs dormant for a while & people think they are better.
Maybe if you catch it right away? I don't know... It's hard to say if these things ever leave the system. MMS is looking better & better to me. It's severe but maybe if we go slow & use it cautiously - it can be a big help. It's only $20...
I think Bob had good results with it. If you do the Hulda Clark method - do it in the proper order. Don't be thick-headed like I was.
Also- I believe some of our energetic testing can be influenced by our own biases. It may be helpful if we can help each other out by checking on the testing for each other.
I tested no for parasites. I think I was in denial about the issue since the idea of it grossed me out. I was trying to be open but somewhere in my mind I didn't like the idea of it.
This may influence our results.
I agree with you, Selma, about the EMFs... It's all a deadly combination - with all the other things. Tails used to post all kinds of stuff about this.
It's hard... We don't live in caves without electricity. Even if we made faraday cages - there's EMFs all around.
Anyway - off to doing something else... Take care!
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
Hi Selma!
I have been and am herxing on babesia treatments and have been for 12 days so far.That is the reason that have not posted lately not that I am ignoring.
Most of time was in bed and had a great day following another herx.
I learned by dowsing that I have had Babesia DIVERGENS ( european strain ) for 20 years .ALso besides MICROTI that I got 8 1/2 years ago ( that is equinine piroplasmosis ) and Duncani on top of it after a trip in woods in a PARK( public park /reservouar with my family ..
Liver FLUKES will never ever get rid of with light and none of the worms.
THE ZAPPER( that I have talked before ULTIMATE ZAPPER ) and herbs ( based on HULDAS protocoll) all her protocolls are the only way -to go after them .
I have used ALL the programs ( Dr SChultze) -exactly by the T for KIDNEY ,GUT,colons and LIVER.They are very gentle and should be used first from somebody that is VERY TOXIC.
Than you can go for HULDAS as I did .I also have done ( before I knew about LYME) SANDRA CABOT diet and her protocoll -3 months.
I have used all the herbs from Cureone.COM
This is the best forum on parasite cleansing if you need to go after. Somebody will insist that light can kill them easy ( yes if you know what you have ) and not every body knows how to test.It took me months and years to test and find all I have.
Also the adult worms will be killed only on HULDA CLARCK treatment.
I followed it with 5 liver flushes . You will see in CUREZONE that humaworm will say that if you have lyme than you need to retreat the parasites due to the fact that borrelia carries them in the other parts of the body and the brain .
When I will get better I will be back on the charts .I just need time to get better.My protocoll is strong .
[ 05-16-2009, 06:09 AM: Message edited by: Alv ]
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Alv, so sorry you are going through this. I probably had babesia divergens twice, as I was bitten here in Switzerland and got reinfected twice.
I'm just copy pasting a very old thread of mine, with herbs I took, who knows you get an inspiration there? I think it is EXTREMELY important to address cysts of babesia. The dormant form, whatever you call it. Cyst treatment and active form react to TOTALLY different products. I don't remember finding any that killed both forms.
I could get to almost symptomless only treating active forms of babesia but when I stopped treatment, I got babesia back. I believe that what made me symptomless after the treatment I will copy paste here, is that I addressed both forms. It's only based on energetic tests though. But it worked, as I never got it back again after the treatment I described here: -----------------------------------------------
I think I got rid of my second babesial infection. At least, my lyme doctor couldn't find it anymore (nor me).
I only do energetic testing, and so does my doctor (ART), so skip the post if you don't believe on these types of diagnostic. I'm symptom free too, of course. No brain fog, no sweats, no change of body temperature, no hot flushes, etc.
I believe there are two levels to treat babesia: first is to kill lots of them, when you get next to symptom free; the treatment has to be aggressive. Second level is to try to get rid of cysts to avoid relapses; this is the most difficult in my opinion.
Then another thing to have in mind in my opinion is that babesia loves the intestines and it loves the brain. So we need things to kill on both.
My first babesial infection in 2005-2006 was treated with: - Riamet (knocked all symptoms of 4 months very fast but I relapsed 2 weeks after); turmeric/ curcuma; artemisinin low doses 30 days (relapsed); artemisinin high doses 3 days then repeated 2 weeks later (relapsed and was sent to emergency with air hunger attacks); what finally did the trick was PC-Noni low doses for a few months. It's a cyst buster.
With this time infection, I couldn't get rid of relapses only with PC-Noni. --------------------------
Here's more or less what I did for this time babesial re-infection. I started having night sweats and strong brain fog in the 2nd night after tick bite in May. I had nigh sweats every night for a while and that convinced me I had babesia again. ART tested positive (2 practioners) and my kinesiological tests too.
I took then (in May/part of June): - homeopathic tick 'soup' from the tick that bit me (started potency 30C or so and went up to 65C) for about 2.5- 3 months
- ledum 200C - gets babs (few globules, once every couple of days)
- PC- Noni tincture (from Biopure, gets babs' cysts), 4-15 drops a day for about 3.5 months
- thyroid sarcode homeopathic for thyroid support (as my thyroid gets messed up everytime babesia is flaring, for about 3 months)
- iron supplements + iron homeopathic (also a babesial symptom; I get lower amounts of Ferritin in the blood very fast with babesia for 2.5 months)
- lots of cleansers: specially chlorella, bear garlic tincture, and loads of MSM, plus some lymph support (for that I use homeopathics mostly OR lymph drainage, but I keep reading red root can do wonders too). This mix of cleansers kept my brain functioning. Sometimes I added chitosan, mucuna bean powder (intestines) and Destroxin. And also a mystery oil (I will call it Endoflex, but I'm not sure, rubbed on skin).
- frozen garlic (gets babs in the intestines very well; but it doesn't cross B/B barrier according to my tests)- 3 "00" capsules a day, after meals. It tested very good for acute phase (middle term: about 1.5 months or so)
- gardenia decoction (it was my main babesia killer, together with phellodendron decoction) (amount: was about 10-15 'fruits' a day for about 3 months)
- phellodendron: gets babesia and other stuff, according to my tests it crosses b/b barrier. (I took decoctions for more than 2 months, 1-2 soup spoons). It has berberine as a chemical component (it gives to it its yellow color).
- Artemisia annua decoction: twice a day (it tests better than powder; I took it for less than 1 month; then was on and off when it tested, but not too much).[it can't be taken together with other decoctions]
- astragalus: on and off, tested good for babesia acute infection.
- KMT program 2 (babesia and borrelia). (on and off)
- bee pollen (helps to get bab's cysts; I took on and off, when it tested, short term)
- artemisinin low doses (about 300mg/400mg a day for about 5 days, then pause for 3 days then continue for about 3 weeks) (artemisinin doesn't get cysts)
- pau d'arco tincture tested once as babs cyst buster (but I didn't retest it to check; I use it still for candida; this time reinfection, it was useful, it tested on and off).
- grapefruit seed extract: tested as babs cyst buster too, but only in the GI tract (it doesn't cross b/b barrier); it never tests good for too long (few days only)
- gervao (rain-tree): gets babs' cysts: it tested very good as it gets so many other things, I took it for about 2 months (or more).
- neem tested good against babesia, but my body can't take it, so I didn't take it.
- cats claw + Japanese knotweed: always (I don't know if they get babs, but I was on these for the whole time).
------------------------- In June, when I was getting desperate I couldn't get rid of babesia with low artemisinin again, I decided to do a high dose treatment of artemisinin (1,000mg/ day) and high doses turmeric (6 teaspoons/ day) in combo for 3 days, repeated in two weeks interval to lower the number of critters. Turmeric hits hard on the stomach, so I did with full stomach, while artemisinin I used with empty stomach.
First high dose treatment I herxed immensely. I felt very toxic. Second treatment, I almost didn't herx, nor felt ANY toxicity in 90% of the time (except for the first dose of 400mg artemisinin in the first day, then NOTHING in the following 2 days).
I also took pyrogenum 200K, as it tested good to get babs and babs' cysts (3 globules/ day for a week).
I thought I was rid of it, but symptoms came back fast after stopping artemisinin. In about 2 days, I felt fatigue, chills, brain fog, etc. Exactly like my first babesial infection. Babesia kept coming back and back again.
------------- About July: - amargo (rain-tree): gets babesia (it doesn't cross b/b barrier, it seems, only gets babs in the GI tract and in blood). [watch out for side effects though, better to test for each organ and use it only temporarily] It's used for malaria. It is to be used very short term (less than artemisinin). I took 2 "00" capsules if I remember well, but it's too strong.
- gervao + phellodendron continued
- turmeric lower doses
- pc-noni: 15 drops or so
- KMT program 2 on and off ----------------------------
The babesial load was much smaller by the end of July, but still there. That's when I discovered CARDAMON by chance. That was what was missing to get the rest of cysts this time.
I introduced cardamon seeds in powder (mixed in my tea, 2-3 times a day), and I think my babesia hated it. I felt my brain clearing while still having my cup of tea with cardamon.
Then few days on cardamom + pc-noni, I finally got an EM rash, which meant, borrelia surfacing again. Exactly like with my first babesial infection. Once I got it down (that time, only with PC-Noni), borrelia surfaced. This time, I needed the PC-Noni and the cardamon to get it down.
------------- So AFTER the aggressive treatments above, my cyst treatment was:
- lonicerae caulis decoction: test good against babs and bart (I took it short term, about a week or so; it can be mixed with gardenia + phellodendron decoction).
- Allicin from Wonderlabs (2), milder than frozen garlic;
- cardamon in powder in my tea (2-3 times a day),
- ledum homeopathic 200K once every 3 days or so, 3-4 globules each time (tests against babs and borrelia) (it must have a 10 minute interval from everything else, before and after intake).
- Pc-Noni was testing at that time at about 15-35 drops a day (I put in a bottle and drank separately from cats claw; 2 times a day).
This is what did the trick this time. I'm not treating babesia since about middle of August.
But I know it can still be hiding as ALL of my other coinfections (and inclusive borrelia).
This IS a messy and long report! BAbesia was the most difficult coinfection for me to get rid of this time. I'm still crossing fingers for it not to come back as I HATE babesia!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Another note. I just discovered which parasite I have in my liver, it's malaria tropica....
That's what is testing. Just tested for cloves for it... Tested positive for photons of nosode there. I feel no symptom but I will treat it.
I also found ricketsia in the ozonated tooth my doctor treated last week. No pain, no symptom, just by energetic tests. Borrelia remains dormant.
I'm so energetic though, but NOT free of infections then...
gosh, I just read the site of Hulda Clark on teeth treatment... Is that what you are doing, Alv? It looks pretty complex and awful...
I hope you'll get out of babs. That was for me the worst to get rid of. The most difficult for sure, horrible herxes. Sending you a positive thought!
Thanks for parasite cleansing stuff. I'll get to read more soon. Crossing fingers your babs treatment will be successful!! Concentrate on cleansers.
I just found out that MSM diluted to D3 tests better than original powder, so I'm also rubbing it on my liver or taking few drops. Feeling is great!
Cardamon now is used by one important follower of dr. K. in the US, I heard. She tests many of her patients for that and they come positive.
Give it a try, it's cheap, tasty and wonderful. There's one text about killing properties of cardamon I found from a herbalist. I'll see if I can find it again and copy paste here...
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
Thanks a lot SELMA!
I already have saved most of this from your previous post.Have tested almost half of them .Like pc noni etc says are not needed now.
My load is high and MALARONE is getting them already in CYST but I know in the future will continue to chase them with herbs.
Some things do not test now so I am going with what is testing due to diferent strains of babs.Seems Duncani is almost gone.I have done things against babesia for 3 years and now i am dealing with it strongly and will continue.
The nosodes did not killed it.The Cyst options that you are offering are awsome.Gotta collect them and be ready to use them on the future.I like DECOCTIONS.I used to drink glasses all day long on BART treatment every day like tea and was very strong.
I can feel finally my brain is exspanding as I felt for almost 8 years like my head was under the preasure of two walls concrete type and squizing both sides of my head and on the top of the head I always felt LIKE I WAS CARRYING A HEAVY tile with me all the time.
I recall it felt like I could not hold my head and had hard time keeping it straight. BUt I am glad you included it again to start collecting some of the things you mentioned as I AM gona treat my son as well .Thank GOD he is an engel and HE NEVER complained to drink any of the OWFUL DECOCTIONS never.He drink them all .
The homepathic did not do much in my case not even nosodes that I ordered in all potencies up to 1000K.
So I guess my body wanted to treat all of them at the same time.I started as it was stressing that I NEED to go for a 3 months treatment ,NOW -before was saying that I needed to treat other things and NOW came imperative.YES I was seeing as it was becoming VERY ACTIVE again.
I finally can see in light without squizing due to the sun light.This has been with me for decades no wonder is not easy .
Thanks so much for posting.HATE this disease .It sucks the life out of you !!!I so want them DEAD!!
True in my case lyme and bart came out when I knocked the high load of babs , the first time as well... I was doing SUPPER dosages of HULDA without knowing I was HITTING BABS and BART and LYME went CRAZY !!!
That is exactly what I have seen as one reduces the other comes up and we keep treating until shuts up for good and the body can tolerate VERY HIGH dosages when you retreat.
By the way ( was told by the doctor) no way to take binders while in babs treatment.Gota let everything accumulate and at least be in there for at least 8 straight weeks.I was ready to jump right away as i am able to handle it.
Posted by AndrewInCA (Member # 2010) on :
Dear Selma,
Thank you so much for answering my question about how photon therapy works. I realize this therapy is still in its infancy, and anyone using it is contributing to learning about what it does and the potential it has.
It sounds like much of it is still theoretical, or based on subjective experience. But that is a great start! I am convinced it will become a major healing modality once more people use it and more is understood about it.
Thanks for your warning about using lots of binders/detox with photons. Yes, I have been here on LymeNet an awfully long time! I hope that soon I can be one of the people offering more help in this area than asking for it.
You guys are pioneers!
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Interesting... I don't think I have babs or bart. It's hard to say, though. I didn't think I had parasites. I think you can have these things & not have symptoms. If you don't have symptoms - do you think it needs to be treated?
I'm taking the wormwood, black walnut hulls & cloves... It feels like I'm having some kind of herx. My back & especially my shoulders are really painful. I am seeing some flukes coming out. Not in droves, but some.
I haven't seen any other kinds of parasites - but they may be there. Maybe micro parasites???
I'm pretty tired today. I'm so tired of being ill... The past few months have been pretty grueling. I spend way too much time thinking of how to get well.
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
Selma !I just read your second post .You were posting while I was typing so I missed it.
YES If you remember I have send you exactly that protocoll 2 years ago in your email.You were about to remove a root canal.Do you remember? YES I have followed it by the T.
I was about to FLY in Mexico to remove them based on HULDAS protocoll.I even made my BIOLOGIST dentist to follow my protocol in USA after I was too weak to fly .And the Naturopath that was right there with me ( and biofeeback ) used the material ( bleach TYPE) form based on her store.
I have used her products for a while as well as they are cleared from toxics material and tested with HER syncrometer type .
Oh by the way they use ZAPICATOR ...it zaps the food from pathogens...stil have not gone to that line to own one for future purposes( with all the fruits and disease that are in vegies as they are comming from tropical places and sprinkled with dirty water-SURPRISE right -found out a a study -strawberries )
I am telling that this women is a GENIOUS.She used vilas and diferent forms to test people.That is exactly what made her to heal people.KIND of our type of testing.
My biologist dentis followes her protocoll -I was the only one that did not accepted to do a impression -as the material after I called the lab had alumin and another ingredient ( can not recall was in december 2006 back than ) that with a gum bleading would have been going right to the brain and could not even chelate.
YES malaria TROPIC( check plasmodium vivax and falciparium ) too ....they are in the same family and is in EUROPE ( no kidding ) I have had to order nosodes for it.But even though K1000 was cleared still was there.My LOAD is VERY VERY HIGH.
Thanks so much for the list of herbs.Gota make orders and will test as I go .Now I tested for 8 artemisin .Can you imagine 6400mg a DAY !!My body is craving for it and butter -I am eating it with SPOON .AND I just have had a lift in my brain .WOW...so long had lost many feelings due to it.
Sparkle ...parasites are so many you have no idea.I gave up sometime on what was this and that AS I WAS LOADED.
You will not see them as the center of stones are the dead parasites that our liver collects due to the blood pumping in there.CONSISTANTLY .
If you read HULDAS book she will exsplain that shoulde pain is due to the stones in liver.In your case I am sure you have certain cyst of any parasites.Finding is not easy.You need to treat and use a ZAPPER .Is cheap and you will not regret. The ultimate zapper that I have mentioned a while ago is the best and saves on batery.
I use to replace my handles with the alumin foil covered in wet paper towel and put them at my feet while I was watching TV and or using COMPUTER -all day long no kidding .
You also can find her as cheapest protocoll of cleansings and they are great products check at HULDAS store that I included above.
I have used this stuff and every thing else that I have mentioned almost for 2 years cleansing -before beeing ready to start with antibiotics( was too late to handle just ANTIBIOTICS) was including RIFE, TONS of herbs and UV blood iradiation at that time.
If you read on curezone -you will read that YES WE HAVE PARASITES( micro are even worst to catch) than adults.I used to freak out than but not anymore.You kind of go into stages of terifying to beeing able to handle way more and be serious to eradicate them .
Sparkle.You say that you do not think that you have babs or bart....there are so many unknowing things that there is not even vials for them .So that is why sometimes ART does not help.As you show negative on testing for what you test.There are so many other things that we might not have names.Or we test for JUST ONE stage of a BUG and seems GONE but comes back as there are other stages( tissue) that without a vial you can not test.
With my pendulum I always include OTHER -as an option -UNKNOWN and than this one leads me to break it down in WHAT is it ? A ricketsia , a parasite , a babs form , a protozoa, virus family , protozoa family , .etc..list after list.
I found the strains I have after so much research ...and for one says UNKNOWN BABS ( I do not care than what is the name ) and I go to the other chart in what kills it.I use my other chart to see what is the best option to treat this type of pathogen.I include all as LIGHT , nosodes, RIfe, Drugs only, HERBS, Drugs and HERBS etc.It never lies.
Than let say I get the answer DRUGS and HERBS.I continue asking on how many thing in TOTAL.It comes like 4 .Than I go further using the chart ( or I build it up after so much search on what can treat them ).Always include unknown.Sure is somthing out there that has not been found yet.
After that I ask what are the best options in my case based on that CHART where the entire names of the killers for that PATHOGENS are included.LEt say BABS ...and it will list the major ones for sure.
SELMA thanks for the names of herbs again .Even on herbs I put other ( because i know is somthing out there that I DO NOT KNOW NOW).
Check the website that I have send you once and you made an order.They have nosodes in 12, 15, 30 and D200 dilutions or pallets.
MAYBE you can treat it with light .You can use only a few ( sometimes for me comes like 7-8 pallets are enough) and you save the rest for somebody that needs them later. If you do not remember the link let me know.Is the first one I send you last year.Also you can order them where you ordered GARINI!
Ricketsia is the tricky part.I have found it in other people in GERMANY when I tested them .YEs is present everywhere and is the reason of MS.
The person I tested have had it only in the liver.The partner had some in the brain AND I COULD see that one has hesition to remember thing ( as there was some ricktsia in the brain ) They had no borrelia but BART as well. You also can find it there or where you got the GARINI !
You need to break it down on which type of ricketsia the entire list of them .Than include unknown . If you can jot it down try with NOSODES.To me comes that nothing can eradicate them only RIFE and NOSODES and LIGHT .SO I know that this is the way to go.
You just have to find which one.I have had to break down my ricketsia on the entire list that was found from the search and found I have Q FEVER .I have had it in my system since 30 years ago.But I know that nosodes and rife will take care of it.Had to shut it up 1 month ago with RIFE for 1 week.
Today afternoon I feel like my shoulders are finally mine .YESTERDAY they were hurting like hell .By the way I test negative for MSM ( used it 2 1/2 years ago ) as I bought a big bag when the FDA were trying to shut down the main REDISTRIBUTION center.They sent a warning back than so I bought it.It can be saved a lifetime no problem.
Well we know that this one is number one as a transporter of anything to the cellullar level ( I hae problem with it and garlic ) .And is great product for arthritis and peopel find relief from it so they are not in painkillers( also it does stop all the bugs to not succumb the nutritions from our cells during the time that is in our systm .( tick borne illnes are involved and protozoas mostly are there for sure ).
So far I am taking what test for me and if they stop testing I stop and change on what test for me.BUt the list of new names is exciting so I can continue taking CYST buster later on even if I put it in remision.
[ 05-16-2009, 06:26 AM: Message edited by: Alv ]
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brussels:
Nogier frequencies are excellent for other things, I use it to strenghten adrenals, to help lymph drainage, kill candida in the tummy area, move heavy metals from stuck points, to help on arthritic pains, tummy pains, back pains, to give me energy. I also used on teeth, and still use it from times to times. I used it after my skin was burnt, and the effect was amazing.
Selma, How do you use the Nogier for the heavy metals and candida, adrenals... I can see with the others.
Thanks:-) Robin
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Girls, you are wonderful! Thank you so much for the wonderful info, Alv and everyone.
I'm not anymore desperate to kill like before. Really not. I'm in peace for the moment and enjoying this 'safe' feeling, even though I still test for malaria and rickettsia. They are NOT widespread and cause no symptom that I can track.
Thanks Alvs, I will take a look into the sites of HC!
What do you think about the teeth zapicator to treat CAVITATIONS? Do you think this is effective?
Doctor is using ozone on mine now, he said dr. K. is also now proposing that BEFORE pulling the tooth. Have you ever treated CAVITATION with a zappicator?
----- Yes, Sparkle. I AM going to treat them. Like clostridium spp, now that I know that it causes cancer or it's linked to cancer, with or without symptoms, I'll treat it.
When the cancer symptom shows up, it may be too late, if you see what I mean.
Same as parasites. You said you had no symptom of parasites, right? And now you sort of can see the importance of getting rid of them, specially for your liver.... Same for me.
No symptom doesn't mean, no need for treatment. Specially when you do energetic tests, as you can see many things BEFORE symptoms show up.
My daughter, no one believes she is sick with borrelia. She's the fastest runner of her class, very advanced socially, one of the smartest for sure according to the teachers, and she still has borrelia hidden in her brain and knees, tummy, liver, whatever. She just doesn't show symptoms most of the times.
This is very true when we treat with photons, as the body keeps on killing, doing its job, and we remain symptomless most of the times. It doesn't mean we don't have lyme.
After my clove tea, I am also having some strange bowel movements. Nothing serious, but it is doing something. It tests as enough to get my malaria trop. in the liver. I grew up in the tropics and often traveled in equatorial countries, with different strains of malaria, so it's not impossible.
Same as heavy metals. They don't cause me any symptom in my mouth anymore, but I think I still have Cerium somewhere (it tests so), so I WILL try to extract this from where it is, even if it takes me to have to pull the tooth off.
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I wonder what HULDA CLARK suggests for PARTIAL denture MATERIALS. Do you know Alv?? I'm using gold, special alloy tested for all single metals to see if they would be compatible with me. But I still wonder. I know she doesn't think gold is good.
If I knew a solution for PARTIALS that could go IN THE FRONT TEETH, that would be a great thing as I am still keeping a root canaled tooth there for lack of options of partial materials. I can't see myself with a golden smile... Valplast, Flexite partials, I don't know, maybe HC has a special suggestion for partials???
The rickettsia, I had fought with it many times before. Me and daughter. Never was a big issue like babesia, bart and borrelia for us. It went dormant fast, but I see it's in my tooth... My tooth was almost dead according to my lyme doctor, almost necrosed. He's trying to save it with ozone.
I just photooned the rickettsial vial I had from Meripharm, and it went now 'not testing', so I guess I got it?
My malaria trop. also go to 'no testing' when I drank clove decoction. I do feel malaria is not too strong in my case. I must have harbored these malaria for decades. I just see it as 'peeling the onion' treatment.
I hope you, Alv, will feel MUCH better once babesia is dormant. It may take time as it's a stubborn pathogen, but your BRAIN will thank you.
Funny the theory of no binders. I wouldn't be able to survive without my MSM while killing so many infections, babesia included. Babesia was THE MOST TOXIC pathogen I even fought. More than candida, in my opinion. Borrelia toxins are VERY mild in comparison.
I got it twice, I fought it twice. The pattern repeated, suffering, fog, extreme fatigue, extreme feeling of toxicity...
Now I don't hate babesia anymore. I think I made peace with it!! My daughter never suffered so much from her babesial infection, even though she might have got the same strain as I. She never developed the typical babesial symptoms like I had.
----- Alv, I decided to go on building charts too. But I don't use my pendulum, I just use my hands or plexi glass, as I find my pendulum too slow and I still can't trust it as my own hands.
I just like to have all these substances/ remedies in front in the charts, it looks easier to find things. Not pathogens, but remedies only though... After, I just have to go to my own collection of remedies and re-test them to confirm.
So far, I'm enjoying building the charts... I will do more with the time!!
--- Robin, again muscle tested... I just put my hands on the area, ask the trouble (metals, candida, whatever), if the Nogier can help for that specific trouble, if yes, then ask potency, frequency and time, then I treat it.
If I want to confirm, I just get the heavy metal vials, test again, do the NOgier, then test if the heavy metal is being mobilized.
Send me your saliva, I can test for you to see if it helps. I do that for some people with the PE1, it seems to work (these remote tests to find out programs). Or just ask your biotensor / pendulum. Dr. W. developed all the protocol based on energetic tests as far as I understood.
Candida always needs treatment in the belly area then on the symptomatic part. Different Nogier frequencies tests for each part usually.
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Andrew, you're welcome. Yes, it is all very experimental!
But what with lyme treatment isn't???
What is less experimental with infra red is the pain control, muscle pain treatments, bruise, burns treatments...
Nosodes + infra red, that's PRETTY much very experimental.
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
Selma! There is no safe materials so far.I have had my bridges with GOLD made in GERMANY and I removed them all.I recall that I was compleining for the TMJ 15 years ago.They thought were my mollars that were not able to come out due to not eanough space there.
I recall my surgery -that was followed imidiatly with an infection of all the teeths beside the ADULT mollars( that is when the cavitations started) .I can not forget the suffering and teh pain I endured.Than when I went the second time the surgeon said that I need to do all the root canals as they got infected in a WEEK.
HMM babesia divergens went in very easy and ruined them .The materials are not safe but the biologist here can run a test to find what is your body compatible with so the ingredient are in harmony with your body.
MY partials are not used very rarely.Thank GOOD by chasing BABS so strongly and will in the future with herbs will save my frontal teeths( they are all there thank GOOD with no root canals ) .All alive nerves.Microti and DUNCANI send the gums out of proportion in my case.
My mollars were so infected and were PUSSY ( deep in the bone) and the biopsy showed severe infection.In no way I could have saved them.YES that was my intention in the begining .I could have saved only 2 but not the rest .Mostly my right side -they were way infected deep in bone.
The doctor had to continue cleaning while checking with the BIOFEEDBACK tightened in my fingers to see the ability of the part to heal.HE worked MORE THAN IN ANY OTHER Patient that he had in his entire life.
I was the worst scenario that he has had ever seen.SO it was not my case.Maybe sombody else..I was too late.
MSM HELPES to send the vitamin and herbs deeper in cellular level and also has been helping you in BABESIA as it stoped it from sucking and doing more damaging in your body ( kind of freezing it up) .But in my case -I do not do well on it and do not test well on it.
YES the BEST DR of treating babs RECOMENDED NO BINDER.Only after I put it in remision should be followed agresivly but not when you are killing it.NADA. My test showed the same in my case.You can try the zapicator and save the frontal tooth -with ozone.This was offered to me from the dentist ( I knew and was aware of this ) but I did not accepted it as I knew that I have had 15 year sufering from the pain there and I knew I have had infections.
Even though he had HIGH tec ( X rays ) he could have not beilived that only when he removed them he could see so much infection in my chick.He had to open the window.He was astonished.I went with what my gut told me. http://lymebook.com/stealth-killer-nordquist
Click on the website and see what is going on in our JAW !!MAYBE in the future they might find a solution to save the TOOTH or IMPLANTS that people use ( and they are COSTLY ).
So far I am not concern on partials as I know there is not such material.You have to compromise( by doing that test).
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The fee for completion of the Clifford test is currently $225. Test kits can be obtained from Dr. Evans, Dr. Nordin-Evans or Dr. Carney. The test kit must then be taken to a physician's office or medical testing laboratory where the patient's blood sample is drawn and prepared for shipment. The test kit must be mailed via next-day air and cannot be mailed on a Friday or Saturday, as the lab is not open to receive the sample. For more information on the Clifford test please visit the lab's website at www.ccrlab.com. Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Selma, you really have to be careful about the dental materials used for the denture or partial. I was watching a Hulda Clark interview - she was testing a partial from a lady who had cancer.
Dr. Clark was saying that the materials from the partial were at the root of what was causing the cancer.
I'll try to find the link for the video. It was on Youtube. You could just do a search there for Hulda Clark. So many of these everyday chemicals are toxic.
My shoulders are less painful today. I started testing for the Cowden herbs again in combination with some of the other things I've been taking.
I'm starting to see a coating on my tongue. Maybe some yeast is getting stirred up? I'm going to have to research the connection between yeast & parasites.
The roof of my mouth has been bleeding. I don't usually have any dental problems. Who knows what that may be? For years I had a big chancre type sore in the back of my mouth on the cheek. It's been gone for a long time. I have read this is common with CFS, fibro, etc... I don't know how this connects with any of these pathogens.
Alv - you have both - the Ultimate Zapper & the Rife... How do they compare? Do you think you need to have both? Yes, I think many of these parasites may be microscopic.
We probably don't even see them. They may cause many health conditions & the connection hasn't been made with them - yet.
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
Sparkle ! Ultimate Zapper is for a few things and does not go very deep ( but for me it did the job in my gut as I was juicing -it is recomended that the best is to be in juicing while killing parasites ) and as the cheapest thing ULTIMATE zapper can really HELP a LOT!
Rife in on a diferent level( so light) .With RIfe I test the frequencies and I manualy decide which one I need for a particular bacterie or parasite or anything else( but again to get the adult worms you need herbs internaly ) .
With rife if you are advanced ( in testing and finding what pathogen need to be treated how many frequencies and how many minutes can be powerful) really knocks down many things ( mine is very gentle-and exspensive due to EMF that I knew and was careful when I made a decision on bying it ).But THE COIL machine is very powerful and it goes way deeper in the BODY ( proved to ERADICATE lyme to the one that created it) .
Rife is better for lyme ( and reach the skin) ( so does ULTIMATE zapper) .I was in herbs and antibiotics and I was still rifing on BART that was trying to HIDE on SKIN .So with babs ( but my load was so high and I needed 80 minutes for 1 frequency lately ).
NO way I could do it.Still when I wil put them in remission will be my way to go to kill the ones that will be some in head left and some at the legs that oraly you can not get them.Over time they will come out from DEEP layer and I will keep testing TO CATCH THEM ...
The machine will be a maintance for many things.RIFE covers more things.BUT ULTIMATE zapper should definitly be in every family.Even the little kids get a virus ...connet them and will knock out the virus faster than without it.
IT is WORTHIT!
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Interesting experience for me with PE-1 today.
I have been dealing with quite a variety of molds and mycotoxins. I'm clearing them out of my house with very high and sustained levels of ozone, mostly while the home is vacated.
I still have some work to do in the corner of the basement ceiling that seems to have had substantial sewage leaks before we moved in. Unfortunately that ceiling still affected is the same as the floorboards next to the bathroom, right under my bed!!!
Now that my house is fairly safe, I am working on my body.
Before house cleaning, I took an air sample from each room by leaving an open glass of distilled water in each room, and saving them in bottles. Today I took samples from the two worst rooms and made homeopathic nosode type energy remedies out of them.
I put two of them together (basement and bedroom) in my remedy maker and made a combination of 5, 10, 30, 60, 100, 200 (all x or D) and 1M. I used this remedy in a vial on the solar plexus to treat Bionic Dr. W. style.
This all tested as quite effective. Looking forward to the outcome, especially if it is as effective as PE-1 has been with lyme and other co-infections.
I also treated the gates and spine in an effort to reduce allergy or sensitivity to the polutants.
With the mycotoxins being released from mold die off, my testing is on and off. I can open it with the PE-1, but when I'm getting die-off, I don't stay open long.
Now that I'm "killing mold" in my body, I'm tired again. Oh well. Hoping to move the mycotoxins out effectively. I started with an unreasonably comprehensive iodine colonic.
Also using Alaria (seaweed) to soak up bile. Considering the Clark cleanse to make this more effective.
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
I agree with Alv, the zapper only kills pathogens in the blood stream and on the outside & edge of organs, it does not reach inside organs or into the deeper tissues, for this you need the herbs.
I dont have the Ultimate Zapper tho, I used a home-made regular zapper and have not used it for yrs but found it much weaker compared to rifing but I definitely got some results with it, particularly in my gut. I dont know how much more effective the Ultimate Zapper is.
You can make your own zapper, HC gives the instructions in The Cure For All Diseases, my neighbour at the time was an electrician and made one for me, so very cheap!
With rife, the frequencies reach much deeper, I herxed like mad when I was using my Coil last yr. It is a lot more complicated to use and is also a bit of a labour figuring out which freqs to use, so it is more experimental whereas the zapper is a much simpler device in that regard. Again I dont know about the ULtimate Zapper as I have never used that one.
I have to say tho that even tho rife is v strong I had much quicker results from photon therapy with the Bionic compared to rifing with my Coil. It can take up to a few yrs to knock down the bugs from rife.
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Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Hi Bejoy I wanted to drop you a PM but your msg box is full, is it possible for you to clear it?
Thanks!
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
HI Shimmy!
When it comes to Lyme LIGHT and nosodes is best!
When it comes to large parasites -you need ZAPPER ( RIFE if you can ) and internaly taking herbs .THE parasite cleansings need to be done with juicing GREEN vegies to get the best results and if you follow with a liver flush to get great results .
Rife is really good to hit ( but so far I doubt it can eradicate a very high load of babs, etc)babs and reduce some of bart -but does not eradicate it.
It is really helpful to treat every pathogen if you know the right frequency and timing for each frequency with the help of using a type of test as with pendulum ( or F scann) at that moment of treatment.
So each tool is eficient if you use it by finding the right frequency at the right time-not all have that ability to do that -the ones that have done it have had result otherwise it takes years and is like shooting in the dark.
There are machines though ( like PERL and ETC that have already a program and you just run it -with the frequencies you need and you do not need).
I am not OK with this metods though.I have felt that are many stressor and factors and not all frequencies need to be introduced.Finding the right ones and the exact minutes for the ones you need is more beneficial and succesful -so you do not overdo it and do not exspose your self more that you have too.
(That is my opinion though and so have other people on MY 500 pages BOOK of RIFE on the eksperince of ND using the machines).
Coil is very strong and takes less time to treat ( have heard some kicked out BABS/bart and ehrlichia -when they were lucky to know the strain ).Ironicly we carry the unknown things and by treating it with herbs or drugs , I am sure that people cover many things that they are not aware .
BEST option in my opinion in a liver flush is :You need to make sure that you have OZONATED oil (I mixed 1-2 teablespoons with olive oil ) for the liver flush as it will kill in place the addult parasites that are in liver and might be bloacking the biles to get out from the biliary track and blocking the gallblader as they can be there as well.( It happens).
It is time in a few month for me to get one done ( when I stop treated babs -if reaching first remission).Today I found out that BABS DIVERGENS is hanging mostly in my hips and KIDNEY .
That exsplains my left kidney shutting down in december 2006.Even though my ND open it up and saved it with herbs and homepathy using ART ( while my pcp said is TOO LATE damage is done , period ) on my last ultrasound my left kidney has shrunk 1/2 inch .So goota continue GETTING divergens OUT OF MY KIDNEY and saved whats left.
Seems that I finally feel my jaw is MINE and when I move my mouth my jaw started to move without beeing locked anymore.BABS was creating tighness and lock my jaw ( the reson that I was in nightguards for 10 years).
My tightnees in my throught is slowly going away as B DIVERGENS is beeing killed ( well has been 2 decades there) .
My frontal teeth finally feel very strong and I am over the pain in my teeth .Still some left on my right chick where I have BELLS palsy and a very deep infection below my upper ROOT canal.
I am writting all these so people can realize what babs can do if left untreated for very long time.My bart and lyme are in remission so muco and ehrlichia.SO this are PURE SYMTOMS of babesia.
Also I noticed finally I could go out in sun and no need to carry my glasses.MY SHARP pain in my mollar places that were removed feeling has been deminieshed lately .
I recall MY SEVERE Atacks of migranes for 2 decades and me COVERING my head with a blanket AND MAKING THE ROOM DARK and cover the windows to block the SUN comming in the room .
It is weird on HOW I DEALT with every atack of lyme and babs in my brain( garini ) .I WAS FASTING every time when I felt an atack comming.I used to get in bed right away without eating and drinking NOTHING for 2 days in a row .
NOthing could stop my sever migranes atacks so I quit taking any painkillers( I am very stubborn and survived all these with NO ANTIDEPRESENT or klonopin or painkillers ALL the tiem.Even when I had my root canals -mollars REMOVED I took VERY HIG DOSAGES of ENZYMES and RELIED on coffe enemas.
ONLY antibiotics were allowed to get in my system -due to HIGH LOAD of infection.
Anyway !
To my amasment the next 2 days I WAS completly recovered waking up with a GREAT energy and moved on with the day like it was not me a day before SUFFERING from MY MIGRANE atacks.
Now I know HOW FASTING -( have done twice in 2006 ) had put the LYME into CYST and right after that I would see my energy level comming back.
It is funny how FASTING has been recomended for decades on CUREZONE and people do not know that they might be carrying BORRELIA.
In Curezone.com there are protocolls ( do a search) on fasting and when people follow each step of HULDA CLARCK .MOST of them get a very good quality of their life and they repeat it even 2 times a year -some try to be on it 1 month straight .
They also take almost every thing -on HULDAS Protocoll and include , oregano oil and olive leaf exstract as well( hmmmmm this treat bart right ).
For me was a great tool when I WAS ASSYMTOMATIC only.BUT ONCE lyme activated -not anymore .I was SO WEAK and I COULD not live without SUPPLEMENTS and vitamins.
I am not taking them anymore.Have stoped them since 5 months ago when LYME went to REMISSION first time.Now I am taking VITAMIN E and C due to the PROTOCOLL on BABS.I prefer LEMON JUICE.
I drink a glass of LEMON JUICE like I am drinking a glass a WATER.BEFORE I could not handle nothing DUE to my stomack ache.NOT ANYMORE. I also am handling the SPICY FOODS and LOVE herbs and spices in there.HAVE tried to INLCUDE them as much as I CAN lately.Cayene pepper mostly -it so good for the heart!!
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
My gosh, so much more information! I sure hope we don't lose this thread!
Since I said I would post about my `scare' a week ago, here it is...... I've been chewed out more than once already for not going to the hospital ER so please don't anybody else chew me out, okay?
Last Monday, I had a nasty episode with my heart while out walking. It did a BIG flip-flop, started racing madly but not efficiently, and immediately the world started getting dim and I got this headache and constricted feeling in my head, neck, and chest. (I've had all this before, mind you, and my docs always told me not to worry too much about it!) But this time I was a mile from my car out on a nature trail with a friend and our 2 dogs. (Good thing I was on a flat area with no hills to climb.) I didn't want to freak my friend out so I didn't say anything - there was really nothing to do but just keep walking back to my car.
By the time I got home, this had been going on for about an hour, and I definitely did not feel well at all. None of my usual tricks to stop the crazy heart rhythm worked at all. I couldn't get my heart to calm down, and couldn't find my pulse in my wrist because my blood wasn't really circulating properly (that part was new to me). I could tell from experience that my heart rate was up around 180 or more. Lying down to `rest' made it worse, if anything. I was getting ready to go to the ER....
Then I remembered that I'd made up a small dropper bottle of a remedy almost 2 years ago after having one of these episodes with my heart (though not nearly so long). At that time, I checked it with my homeopath and she said she thought it sounded right, too. (Lachesis 30C is the remedy, BTW.) So, I got the bottle and took just one drop under my tongue. I set my watch to see how long it would take to work..... if it worked at all. I really didn't have much hope.
And would you believe it, my heart went back to normal!.... and when I was sure it had really happened, I checked my watch..... the remedy had worked in 1 minute and 7 seconds . I was absolutely stunned in amazement. Chances are good that if I had driven to the ER, the stress of going there would have shocked my heart back to normal anyway, and I would have spent $900+ for nothing.
Don't know if my dowsing is correct, but it indicates that I did some damage in my brain, heart, and lungs, but none of it is permanent. (Hope that isn't just wishful thinking.)
I've been experiencing more heart palpitations for the last couple of months, and I suspected I was going to have an `episode' of some sort. And guess what got the heart palpitations all fired up 2 or 3 months ago?
The supplement, Alpha Lipoic Acid.
I tried to cut back and take it only 3 times a week. Obviously, that didn't work. I have no idea why ALA did this, but then Cumanda and Nattokinase did it to me, too. I still don't understand it.
Okay, on to other things!
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Alv and Sparkle, I hope you guys continue to progress and feel better.
I just e-mailed the Dr. Schulze website - I can't find the instructions for taking any of his products or detox programs. I won't order anything that doesn't tell me what to expect up front. (Also, he uses bentonite clay in one of his intestinal formulas and I won't use bentonite without a `washout' program of some kind. I believe it was the inappropriate use of bentonite clay that caused my colon to get so screwed up.)
I agree - there is probably a toxic component to most everything. If I've learned anything from homeopathy it's that whatever can harm you can also heal you. We humans just have to learn how to harness those desirable properties within each substance (energy).
I noticed that an autonosode made from blood I took from my finger seemed to work much better than blood I obtained from my arm vein. I thought it would be just the opposite! That supports what you are saying, too, Selma.
Selma, did you make the Camphora D200 yourself, or did you buy it? (That would take a LONG time to make by hand, lol.)
Clostridium: A dear friend of mine passed away with cancer 2 years ago..... and she was fighting a very bad Clostridium Difficile infection in her bowel when she found out she had cancer........
Sparkle, I know what you mean about these mental `biases' when we dowse about something and we have a strong opinion about it - like the parasite issue. That's exactly why I keep trying to find a way to `remove' my own bias from the picture as much as possible when I try to dowse, or even when being muscle tested. It is SO very difficult for me..... I had no idea I had so many `opinions' about everything until I found I had to concentrate on remaining `neutral'. Quite a challenge. But necessary, I think, for getting accurate answers.
And that's a very good idea about getting help and confirmation from others on the `testing'.
I contacted a company the other day called Zyto. They make a `Cradle' device which measures the galvanic response (heat changes) in the hand in response to certain substances. But it's all connected to a big computer database - in other words, you can't test an actual substance you have on hand - you have to find it in their database to test it. And their devices are for commercial use, not for individuals to use. And they don't really have plans to make something for `home' use by individuals. But at least I looked into it. Sooner or later someone will come out with something.....
EMFs and EMRs: Well, I got my pieces of Rose Quartz the other day - I got 3 chunks of unpolished stone about 3 inches long - only cost me $2.00. (I'd read that Rose Quartz protects against stray electromagnetic fields.) When I went to bed that night, I put the 3 pieces in various spots around the room, with one next to me on the nightstand. My bedroom is where I do most of my dowsing so that's where I wanted to test the Rose Quartz. Eek! I had a HORRIBLE night - crazy dreams, intrusive thoughts, general discomfort, disrupted sleep. I wondered if I'd made a mistake!
I did some dowsing about it the next day, and my dowsing said that the stones did help protect against EMFs, and that everything would be fine that night. And sure enough, I've slept really well since that first night! Maybe that first night the stones generated a lot of chaos in the energy field in my bedroom, and it had to dissipate first? I don't know. But I'm keeping them for now. (And I can't believe I'm even talking about this - I'm not into crystals and healing stones and all that.)
Even stranger..... in my computer files I found a `proving' of Rose Quartz - both as a tincture and as a homeopathic - that I saved awhile back......boy, it looks like a near-perfect stone for my needs! One note in the proving papers was that RoseQ ``gives protection in all circumstances, whether physical, mental or psychic protection''. I may get some more stones if the ones in the bedroom work out.
That dental materials test sounds really neat, but expensive.
Bejoy, I hope your `mold remedy' works out. What ever happened with the person who used the `tick' remedy you made?
I'm sure I've forgotten something I wanted to ask about!
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Tracy- I think you made the right choice about not going to the hospital. You have to go on intuition sometimes. I would try to avoid hospitals at all costs. We may need them on occasions but it's best to avoid them.
Alpha Lipoic Acid is very strong stuff. My doctor, many years ago, told me to start with 1/4 of a pill & work it up slowly from there. It can chelate mercury from you brain. I believe it crosses the blood brain barrier.
Interesting about rose quartz. I always read good things about it. How do people feel about those salt lamps? They look nice but I don't know if they really work.
Thanks for the info Alv. Do you think it's a good thing if the Bb goes into cyst form while fasting? Wouldn't it make it harder to get rid of? I have to read your description more closely. Do you think Bb is a parasite or bacteria or does it even matter?
I'm going to try the ozonated oil next time I do a liver flush. This time I'm doing the parasite kill first!
I read that the herb hawthorn is very good for the heart.
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Hi Alv
Thanx for your post, its very interesting to read & I agree with a lot of what you say.
I'd love to believe that photons & nosodes are the best for lyme tho but I think its too early for me to say as I am still ill and from energy testing I still have lyme & co despite 15 sessions of photon therapy with the bionic.
I know it can take longer tho if you are very ill and Ive been ill for 16yrs so know I have a high bacterial load and only got diagnosed with lyme 2 yrs ago.
It could be down to weak adrenals as one bionic practitioner recently suggested ... I still have very low cortisol.
Having said that I am feeling more energy just from tapping as I feel thats cleansing my liver.. & I do agree cleansing the liver is vital.
Thats a good suggestion about using ozonated oil when flushing, Ive never tried that but do have some here and will give it a try when I flush.
Agree with you on the juicing! Im a big believer in that & alkalising in general for healing and try to juice daily and take a green powder.
I have bart and was going to try the Zhang herbs to see if that will help. I treated it a bit with rife last yr, and recently herxed really strongly on olive leaf and wondered if it was targeting bart as I felt so much calmer afterwards but its so hard to know what it was killing off as it targets so many different pathogens...viruses, fungi etc.
I know that others reckon they've had bart herxes on it and Morton Walker does mention it can kill bart & lyme in his book.
I used to spend a lot of time on curezone and I know there are some great recovery stories on there and I do think fasting is a fantastic tool but it can make you very weak if you have weak adrenals. Its not something I would consider at the moment.
It sounds like you've been through such a lot like many others, well done for making such good progress and getting this far!
Good luck too with healing your kidney!
What is your book on Rife?
All the best.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
hi shimmy,
If I recall you are another lymie with CFS symptoms?
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Hi Tracy
I agree with Sparkle, ALA is a mercury chelator and can cross the blood brain barrier and pull mercury out of the brain ... and can also transport mercury from the body into the brain ... it is lipophilic so can dissolve in fatty tissue. So I guess it is possible that it might have stirred up some mercury. Do you have amalgams?
Glad its stopped now and very interesting about the homeopathic remedy helping!
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Hi Tracy, sorry about all you have been through, and glad to hear about what you have learned and what worked!
The woman I made the tick remedy for is doing well, but she is out of state so it's hard to know for sure. She is following up with her local people. I'll probably see her again in a couple of months.
So far so good with mold remedy from the air sample. It "feels" right, but time will tell. --------------------------------------------
I mentioned the colonics. Anything about this falls into the category of "too much information," but it's worth sharing on this thread I think since there is much interest in cleanses.
I was having terrible lower GI problems from molds, and the die-off from trying to use herbal killers was too much. I decided to remove rather than kill. It seems to have worked remarkably well.
I used a standard enema bag with the intention to redo the process as many times as I needed to until the water ran clear. It took 11, and four hours. Quite a comittment. First few were done with coffee. Middle ones with iodine. Last two with probiotics.
Released a great deal of biofilm with colonies of something or other. Headaches and fatigue the following day. The next day much better, and no more GI symptoms. ----------------------------------
I have recently become interested in stones. I used to shy away because it was a bit too out there and woo woo. Now, I don't care, I use what works.
I've been frequenting a local rock shop to learn about the stones and feel them out. I recently brought a piece of raw kyanite. It was recommended to me for clearing the energy of other stones that have been worked too much.
When I held it I got an immediate and powerful detox reaction, complete with sound and motion. The stone seems to carry the vibration of dispersion of congestion. I've been sleeping with it on my body. It eases my right kidney, that has been giving me trouble for quite some time.
I'm glad to hear about the rose quartz. I think I will look for some nice pieces that will work for me.
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Hi Joey
Yes thats right I have CFS/ME, that was my original diagnosis and then I found out that I have lyme & co, 2 yrs ago ... Ive no idea how long Ive been infected for tho. You have CFS too right?
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Shimmy, thanks. I cleared my box.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Yes.
I've now spoken with several people that have cfs and done photon treatment, and no one has felt significantly better using photon treatment alone.
We are suffering from systemic anaerobic metabolism. The photon treatment seems to do two things: change your body's photon field and activate immunity. However, with anaerobic metabolism, all our blood cells, red and white, degenerate rapidly in the bloodstream. I saw this firsthand when I did a live blood analysis in Germany.
Until we fix this underlying problem, it seems we're grasping at straws by trying to kill every bug in the body. it doesn't make practical or economic sense. In fact, the only sense it makes is instinctual, because we're naturally impatient beings.
I know my borrelia isn't entirely gone either. Neither is babs or bartonella. I know I still have viruses a-swimming and parasites a-hunkering. I've treated with photons for all these things probably over 60 times total now, and I've given up trying to put them in their place with force.
So shimmy, I would advise you also to at least explore other avenues with me. I see you're already pursuing EFT, so that is great. I will be doing ozone sauna + insufflation shortly to restore my body to aerobic state (and kill bugs with the singlet oxygen in the meantime). Check out ozonetherapy yahoo group..it's moderated by Dr. Saul Pressman, an expert on ozone whom I deem very trustworthy. But I think just as important is finding out what your pH level is (ph ion ph stix are good--saliva and urine ph sticks) and working with a practitioner or dowsing to find out what is causing your body to be acidic. Acidity and oxygenation are directly related. For me, my practitioner identified my digestive system as the main cause. I will be targeting this issue starting tomorrow with her to find out why. After all, our digestive system is in charge of metabolizing all those alkaline minerals.. without proper utilization, it all just goes down the pipes.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
m0joey- have you done any research into 714-X? Seems like it may be of use...
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Can you explain why? I'm reading about it..cancer therapy with camphor and with extra nitrogen atom used to render tumor cells vulnerable.. how would this apply to cfs?
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Hi Joey
Thnx for your post, we are definitely on the same wavelength re ph etc, Ive researched pleomorphism for yrs and have always been totally convinced of the ph/terrain argument and Ive always found alkalising and sticking to a low acid diet really helpful (apart from when I fall off the wagon!), though not curative alone. Ive been trying to do it a lot more seriously recently and it has definitely been helping.
So yes I monitor ph my daily..
I agree with you about Dr Pressman .. Ive been in touch with him on & off for a while and bought one of his ozone generators 2nd hand last yr off some guy but put off using it as I read that ozone can release a lot of metals at once and this is what I was afraid of so so far havent even tried using it .. tho I guess if you take binders it would mitigate the effects.
I do want to get one of those canvass saunas and start using it at some point tho.
I dont know if you follow Dr Young's work (Ph Miracle, & Sick and Tired, Reclaim Your Inner Terrain) they are good to read and you might find his blog interesting too..
I spoke to one of Dr Young's trainees, a blood microscopist a few weeks ago and she said one of her clients has lyme and keeps it under control through alkalising which I thought was very interesting.. (but I dont know how ill this guy was).
Your experience & the others you mention experiences of photon therapy is really interesting and v valuable to me, thnx v much for sharing that. I dont know if Im right on this or not and anyone correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression that the ones who had taken long term abx before trying photon have improved the most from photon ... as they had already improved to a certain level already (regardless of the diagnosis?).
I only took abx for a few weeks myself .. and was in no way capable to going over to Germany as I was so weak, so I also wondered if thats why I hadnt improved so much ... I do keep wondering if I should have taken abx a bit longer...
Anyway keep in touch and let me know how you get on and I'll do the same, it would be great to swap ideas.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
On the antibiotics end, I did them for a few months but they left an indelible toxic dent in my body. Some people only get worse from antibiotics..and continue getting worse because they genetically cannot handle such a massive bombardment of toxicity.
Although many of the ones that improved after photon treatment had done long-term antibiotics, my recollection is that many didn't have mainly chronic fatigue syndrome symptoms to begin with. It's hard to make generalizations, but I'm just pointing out what seems to be a trend.
Of course, we need to do both: restore the environment and keep the bug load down to facilitate the restoration, an it seems like you've already done all the things I've mentioned (minus the ozone). Do you plan on starting the ozone up? Regarding the metals, ozone is actually supposed to oxidize the metals and help your body dispose of them and neurotoxins. Of course, I would take binders simultaneously, but I often hear of ozone aiding with detoxification, sometimes even more than killing. So maybe you don't need to be so cautious about venturing into it.
As soon as i'm done with 2 liver flushes, I'm going in.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Shimmy--
thanks for the book recommendation! I just bought ph miracle yesterday. The to-read list is piling up..
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Thanks Joey, ok yes I understand re the abx.
Thnx for the other info on photon too, I didnt realise that most didnt have CFS. I do find it confusing tho as I thought most of the symptoms were the same eg anaerobic metabolism, post exertional fatigue etc ..
My CFS didnt start off with a bite though, so I'm definitely not a case of classic lyme, I had a course of vaccines that I think tipped my immune system too much one way, leading to a build up of intracellular infections, & metals too and ended up as you say a pathogen soup!
Re the metals thats what Dr P told me too and I wrote to Andy Cutler to ask him what he thought and he said it doesnt work like that and that ozone wouldnt get rid of metals ... anyway I guess its down to who you believe isnt it, I guess as I had been on AC's protocol and know others who got well on it, I trusted his knowledge more at the time, but who knows.
Yes ozone sauna is supposed to be an excellent detox aid isnt it.
Im probably not going to start on ozone just yet, I want to work on my gut a bit more then maybe consider doing a couple of liver flushes first before starting it, like you. Also I still need to find more effective adrenal support as I feel that is really hindering my recovery so looking into that too.
Anyway good luck with the liver flushes & let me know how you get on with ozoning, fingers crossed it will work!
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Tracy -- really sorry to hear about heart issues. It seems you found something in the process, do you have any idea why the lachesis remedy worked? By the way, you may want to see which teeth may affect the heart. The following link is to a meridian tooth chart. You may want to compare what teeth issues you have with this chart.
To all, after you do the liver flushes add bile salts and energetically test. You might find this cheap supplement is very important to continue to keep the liver working well ( i got this great link from a very good friend).
I agree with shimmy and m0joey about doing the flushes. To further alkalize you might consider celery seed tea. Something I've added to my morning ritual.
There are others, but I sense this is simple and can be made to be enjoyable. Well it something to try if you haven't already.
By the way, if you get the oportunity to ever experiment. You might try other light frequencies, they are not the same and might be as effective. You might try corresponding with Janis EELLS about photon therapy further. Get a take from an actual photon researcher.
Making an LED device isn't that complicated if you involve someone familiar with circuit boards.
Bejoy -- that's is so interesting about how mold can cause such disruption and how you approached the problem. It has been said how we are all different and that is why are symptoms vary. I wonder if its environments are soooo different from person to person. Check out the link about hvac systems:
Selma -- Is it the terrain or do we need to get rid of the bug inside us. My view point has changed, I now believe we need to fix the terrain and evolve with the bug. This is an epidemic that is just going to keep growing and reinfecting. I remember my biology teach said there were 20 fruit flies in a bottle all died but one when the injected some gas. Somehow nature fines a way to survive when all should have perished. In some ways, I really believe our own intentions to survive can give us a way to evolve. Many pathogens in the past became symbiotic, it might be a good discussion.
Sparkle : the triphala is an excellent parasite cleanse, been used thousands of years in india.
Alv : I used the terminator 2 devices for good while, just don't test positively for them anymore.
News: My leg pain symptoms are gone, just working on getting better sleep and getting my next thyroid test to see if there is improvement there. I feel great right now.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Hey bob,
Still testing negative for triphala. Maybe it's the brand (planetary herbals), maybe it's the triphala. It just might not be for everyone.
I did however start taking humaworm today.
Alv--I purchased the ultimate zapper to use. It does seem to be the favorite on curezone
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Shimmy--
If you aren't ready for the ozone, you might think about taking alkalizing baths (if you haven't already:
35% h202 (care when handling--use gloves as direct contact will burn your hands)--1 cup
baking soda 1 cup
epsom salt 1 cup
The h202 bath is the easiest, cheapest way to get oxygen into your body. I am also taking homozon, another way to "flood" your body with oxygen...but it has a dual purpose as a colon cleanse to prep for liver flush.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Just for the record, CFS was and still is my main symptom. Light and nosodes has been my best tool so far.
Still, I started it after I had already made an almost complete recovery on herbals, series remedies, and bee venom ointment, and was having a lyme recurrance.
Thanks everybody, for all the posts and info!
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
The Eagle Guardian is able to create a powerful homeopathic remedy from the user's body itself. The remedy contains a greatly amplified imprint of the individual's total bio-energetic signature (including any harmful vibrations present in a person's body), and can be stored in a small, glass vial. When this vial is worn on the body, it is able to continuously send an amplified signal to the body, repeatedly giving clear direction as to how to restore balance. With the Guardian, nothing needs to be ingested.
What do you think??
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
m0joey- just a quick note - I have to go to bed!
I posted a thread here about 714-X. Do a search.... Seems it can be used for illnesses other than cancer!
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
m0joey -- the biggest issue with triphala is tannins which can be problematic for the liver. All substances can cause issues if there is a physical weakness in the body. Phrase an energetic question about liver and triphala. It might get a little closer to why triphala would cause an issue.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I took the weekend off from LN, and wow, so many posts... --- Alv, many thanks for all the info on materials for teeth restorations... I still trust ART for that, my partial was tested too. My lyme doctor ran a long test on other materials. But I only could use a certain gold alloy so far... So I'm still looking for alternatives for my front tooth...
You are right on the brain symptoms for babesia, AND the LIGHT SENSITIVITY!!
I'm sure my babesia caused me light sensititivity to the point of causing me to throw up if some sunlight touched my eyes. Both times when babesia went dormant, the symptom vanished. Other people in LN have reported that with babesia too. Funny that is not in the babesia symptom list.
Another interesting comment from you, about lyme going dormant with fasting!!! You're the first person I hear about that. It HAPPENED EXACTLY TO ME last September.
Nothing I did was making my lyme dormant that time and I felt every thing I ate went to borrelia first. Then, like you, I decided to stop eating, I sort of heard in my head a command saying 'stop eating'.
I did that and in a week, my borrelia went dormant, my muscle pains stopped after about 5 months of daily suffering. Only after I started reading about fasting, but never really found anything saying it puts critters dormant!! I just found articles about detoxing. Buhner is though for fasting too.
Alv, great that your stomach looks healing. Me too, it healed with lyme treatment!! I can drink milk even without having awful pains. I even crave for non pasteurized goat milk, I'm drinking almost every day.
And the change in tastes, I guess, this is also a sign (I guess) that we are healing or at least, changing! I now want to eat more spicy too, even though my cells in my mouth are not used too. Never happened since I have memory of my childhood.
I'm still crossing fingers for you to fight your collection of babesia strains.... It must be tough, but I believe, when you put at least the divergens dormant, it will be a BIG positive change in your life. I get mad with babesia, when it goes dormant, I accept to have all other infections, even candida, bartonella, etc. It's babesia that feels like consuming and eating my brain, my energy.
I suffered from CFS, it was because of it and my stiff neck that I thought I might have lyme.
Fatigue can be caused, in my view, by many things:
- thyroid, adrenals exaustion, malfunction
- metabolic problems with sugars
- mal absorption of food
- food allergies
- excessive number of infections (even a cold causes fatigue for the healthy ones, so when you start to reach a dozen active pathogens, no wonder you get fatigue...)
- parasitism
- excess of toxins coupled with detox problems(endotoxins, mycotoxins, heavy metals, chemicals, undigested foods, whatever else that you eat /breathe...).
- psychological issues
- EMRs affecting your hypophyse during the night
- lack of good nutrients reaching where they should
- even one blocked organ, like lymph, or liver, or kidney ALONE can cause strong fatigue...
- lack of oxygenation of cells, certainly.
If anyone wants to add, I'm all ears...
I always get fatigue back when I'm doing metal detox, when I fight candida, fungi, borrelia or any infection that is actively creating symptoms, when my body is full of toxins... w
hen I stay too long in the computer (excess of EMRs)... when I sleep in EMR polluted places. If I don't excercise too...
Photons played a big role in my fatigue, it was like food for my cells. I also used the magic mix of UBICHINON + CITROKEHL + COENZYME COMP, that I recommend to anyone fighting fatigue...
Ubichinon (CoQ10 and many other stuff inside) and citrokehl (citric acid dilutions) sort of correct the citric acid cycle and make the mitochondria produce energy well again. Coupled with Coenzyme comp to help on chemical reactions inside the cells, I find this MIX a wonderful remedy.
the double or triple mix above is recommended by some of Sanum followers (even if these are mostly Heel products).
It's wonderful because one can take these through photons, you don't need to get IV injections! I get a boost in cleansing capacities of my body almost immediately, I feel I enter detox mode (like urine gets stinky and darker for example)...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Tracy, watch out for Alpha lipoic acid... It can move heavy metals around, specially in the brain according to dr. K.
Not a supplement to be playing with amalgams, nor in the first stages of metal detox...
I HOPE your heart is still stable after your Lachesis experiment, Tracy. How are you doing these last two days??
These heart symptoms are the worst...
No, I bought the camphora D200. It takes me days to do a 200 dilution as I sucuss now 100 times EACH dilution.
I know a pharmacist who is homeopath too that became a sort of friend and we are exchanging lots of information!! He said, one has to succuss the bottle VERTICALLY (not horizontally), and that what is best is 100 times for each dilution.
He is sort of ALLERGIC to these frequency machines that only copy frequencies. I can sense that these frequency machines are not homeopathy.
I'm having great experiences with the 100 times succusion remedies than with the previous 40 times I was doing. But to make a 200 D at home, it's very long. I have done that for some people, but it's very tiring. If I continue doing that, I will buy a machine, but it costs 2,000 EURO, used by professionals...
Awful info about clostridium, Tracy... Was that your nice neighbor friend who died suddenly? And I had active clostridium at least once...
I tested rose quartz here, as we have quite a few stones for a long time. It is a beneficial stone, I find too, very 'positive' but it can't protect me from EMRs. I asked many times.
I found out that these blankets that people use in emergency situations, the ones half aluminium half gold color are one of the BEST materials blocking EMRs! The person has read that in a German publication and then made his own tests with a machine and published it in his website.
I wanted to buy some but still didn't have time. A sort of mini protection during trips in hotels....
I have to go out now, I'll continue answering after!
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Hi Joey,
Thanks! Yes I do those alkalising baths and put himalayan salt in there too which makes me feel more energised.
I agree with you about the Homozon, Ive used that in the past and found it good for clearing out the gut.
Other alkalising stuff I'm doing is taking Tri Salts which you've probably heard of..its bicarbonates of sodium, calcium & potassium and they also seem to help with energy and sleep too when I take them at bedtime.
I also recently started on Doc Broc Greens, one of Dr Young's green powders which seems to be energising me too. I dont think we can get enough minerals into us.
Just to add too that I consulted a doctor last yr at the Breakspear Hospital here in the UK and he also works at the Paracelsus Clinic in Switzerland and he told me that in his experience those who dont respond to treatment or feel really bad on treatment, whether its abx or herbs or whatever, DO start to respond once they start alkalising and get their ph up to 8. (Tho those who follow Dr Young say it should be even higher around 9 if you are sick). He thinks this is critical.
I know the Paracelsus Clinic is heavily into pleomorphism (Sanum remedies) and alkalising and as far as I know they dont use abx, but I dont know what their success rate is.
Thanks Bob, I dont have celery seed tea, but I do juice a lot of celery! Hope the tea is helping you.
Bejoy thnx for your post, its interesting and v encouraging to me.
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Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Hi Selma
Are you saying that you put supplements on your abdomen when you use the PE1 similar to what is done with the nosodes? & you feel you get the benefit from the supplement?
I think I remember someone else posting about this but dont know if it was you or someone else, but Ive not tried it.
Anyway thats great if it works!
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Thanks for the understanding and encouragement regarding my heart issue, folks.
I had no idea that Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) could cause problems and chelate mercury, etc.! And yes, I have like 11 amalgams left in my mouth. What I read about it before taking it made it sound like the miracle supplement of the century. I noticed there's a thread about it on LN right now. Sheesh. Well, no sense in getting my knickers in a twist over it - what's done is done.
Thanks, Sparkle. Hawthorn Berry (Crataegus oxycantha) tincture is a great heart tonic. The positive effects are cumulative. In the USA, they use berries, flowers, and leaves to make extracts. We can't buy true herbal Mother Tinctures here, for some reason. So, I ordered Crataegus Mother Tincture made just with berries from Ainsworths in London ages ago. I stopped using it when the kinesiologist tested that I didn't need it last fall (no heart issues then, either). Well, my dowsing last night said I needed 4 drops in a bit of water once a day. So, I started back on it. I've never had any negative effects from it.
Bob, I chose Lachesis based on my symptoms, i.e. (these descriptions from some Materia Medicas): Palpitation of heart, with fainting.... Irregularity of beats; Constrictive sensation in region of heart; As if heart too large for containing cavity; Stitches in region of heart, with shortness of breath, .....Faintings and palpitation recurring; With headache, flickerings, dim vision, very pale face. Heart.--Palpitation, with fainting spells.... Constricted feeling causing palpitation, with anxiety. Cyanosis. Irregular beats; As though heart turned over and ceased beating for a moment; as if heart hadn't room to beat. As if neck constricted with a cord; During the headache much heart trouble; Fainting accompanying other complaints is an indication for Lachesis.....
I think I've talked about Lachesis on this thread before - not a remedy to be messed with in lower potencies (even 6C or 12x are too low).
I dowsed about further doses of Lachesis after the initial episode as I still didn't feel `normal'. I got a yes for one additional dose, then kept getting a no for the rest of the week. Finally, I got a yes last night and felt additional relief of some lingering sensations/ symptoms. (I've felt vaguely on the verge of another episode all week.) And as I researched Lachesis this morning, I found that it is considered a deep, long-acting remedy, that doses should not be repeated too frequently, and that `the action of a single dose should be exhausted before another dose is taken'. So, that certainly fits with my dowsing answers. (I keep trying to verify my dowsing in some way.)
We'll see how my symptoms are the next couple of days. I may try to make a remedy out of the ALA to treat the negative effects of it. I did that with Cumanda and it worked, but this is a little different - the symptoms are more subtle. Meanwhile, I take my little 1/2 dram dropper bottle of Lachesis 30C in my pocket if I go anywhere.
Somewhat interesting, too, is that I researched remedies for Mitral Valve Prolapse (MVP) around the same time that I found the Lachesis remedy. I haven't been diagnosed with MFP but suspect I may have that. So, I wanted a remedy to have on hand. I asked my homeopath about it, too, and the remedy most commonly used is Naja. Naja is made from Cobra venom; Lachesis is made from Bushmaster snake venom. Looks like I'm in the world of Snake Oils, for sure!
More later.... I'm out of time again.
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
Tracy, I'm pleased to hear that things have calmed down for you with Lachesis. I know that it can be pretty frightening when these symptoms refuse to die down:
I get episodes that sound just like yours [minus the headache] every so often, but the palpitations and arrhythmia, constriction, shortness of breath and faintness have been very prominent in the past 2 weeks.
I have been leaving out some of my supplements/medication in order to try to track whether it is related to something I'm doing:
I am hoping that it is unrelated to my starting to use a blanket infrared sauna [under guidance, only up to 10 mins on 32]; perhaps, as there is no sweating at that temperature, toxins are mobilised and trapped....on the other hand I've been taking several newish things, so who knows?
I'll take a look at Lachesis and Naja, thanks,
Carry
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Shimmy and Joey on alkalinising diets... I guess the diet idea is great, green veggy juices, increase in intake of fruits /vegetables, there can't be anything bad in that, I suppose?
But INGESTING the stuff Sanum proposes is not always the best, I find, specially because it will alkalinize your stomach. You need acids to digest. I did a bit of what they proposed but very soon their Alkala products stopped testing...
Much better than these remedies are like you said, alkalinize diet, at least for me.
For that sugar is a total NO. Let the sugar OUT of your diets. It is extremely acid.
Dr. K is also not that much into the alkalnizing theory (through supplements, I suppose?). I find though that other products like the lactic acid homeopathic product (called Sanuvis) work much better than REAL substances.
If I remember well, if your body is not acidic, you can't detox well, for example. So I guess the question is not only alkalinize everywhere all the time, but WHERE and WHEN to alkalinize.
These are just my thoughts... I gotta go into my notes again and study the subject further...
I will take a closer look into my Sanuvis and keep asking for more people to see how the test goes. Inner elbow is a great gate for the intestines. You don't have to use it ingested even!
You can use that rubbed and send it to some parts of your body through certain 'accupuncture' gates (like inner elbow for GI tract).
---- Bejoy, glad you are using the homeopathic mold preparations! Let us know how it goes!!
--- Bob, agree on the terrain story.
But I have to kill bugs that test, I can't wait and see what happens WHEN my terrain will be perfect...
I know I'll never get all of them, it's an impossibility, but I have to feel that we are living in harmony, and not that they are taking my energy and life away!!
--- Robin, I was also looking for something to imprint remedies. I guess, if someone gave if for free I was going to try it.
But as I have been sooo long dealing with homeopathy and everytime I drop into, for example, anthroposific remedies, and compare them with the real homeopathic ones, I could never ever find one anthroposofic that tests better. Even if I don't know they are anthroposofic and discover only after.
The people at Meripharm write all over "our products are NOT radionics", meaning, these are not frequency imprinted remedies, but REAL homeopathic dilutions. I suppose they do see a big difference in techniques.
if I remember well, someone said that these frequency imprinted remedies also don't work well with photons?? Anyway, I'm sort of more traditional when dealing with remedies, maybe because I have long experience using homeopathics and no experience with these radionic stuff?
Having said that, the AI is also a radionic product and it does seem to work well, right?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Shimmy, I also did the foot baths with sodium bicarbonate or with himalayan salt for years!!
That was the only thing that could keep my feet surviving fungal infections for decades, until I found the Sanum and photons recently...
It's true it's a good feeling. I haven't done that again since day one I got my PE1 though! Sort of lazy...
Yes. When you take homeopathics, you can always test to see if you can take the remedy through photons, like we do with nosodes. Any homeopathic remedy is a frequency remedy.
I don't think it works for ALL homeopathics (at least, it doesn't test as working for all), but for many, it works. Before I was ingesting the above cited mixture every hour or every two hours (like my body was craving that magic mix). When I took them through photons, no need anymore for days, or weeks.
Exactly like with nosodes!!
The intake point for me though is not the solar plexus, but the Mediastinum OR the 3rd eye. Mostly mediastinum. Same for my daughter and other people I test.
I don't know if this is because the solar plexus is still working with the killing nosode effect for days and days and then my body asks to have an intake from another point?
Or if the gate for these specific cleaning products are just another?
I also 'took' the other combo remedies from dr. W. through photons, so did my daughter. These were lymphomyosot, hepar compositum, solidago compositum, then still added the magnesium phosphoricum from Heel. Apart from the magnesium, the other 3 seemed to work well this way.
The magnesium, I needed support from REAL supplement (non homeopathic). Now I don't need the real magnesium anymore, just homeopathic.
I feel we got to test one by one and experiment to see what our bodies prefer.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Selma and friends, interesting conversation about Homeopathics vs. Radionics.
I'm old-school enough to prefer the home-made hands on products.
I'm practical enough to use my dishwasher instead of hand washing all my dishes. They don't get as clean, sometimes have a film, and smell like dish soap. But they are sterilized and I can eat off of them again without devoting my life to my kitchen.
I'm practical enough to try the short cuts, and if they work for me, to use them again.
A machine potentised copy of a computer generated test vial for TB probably saved my life, used with photons, after Selma figured out what was wrong with me.
I mainly use frequency imprinted products with photons, as they are working for me.
I suppose copiers may vary greatly. The one I am using needs the copy button pushed four times to get the strength of copy that I prefer.
In my case I have seen that some of these copiers do work very well. The products may not be as good as hand made homeopathics, but I wouldn't know, since I have not done a good comparison of any kind.
I now have two copiers, but have not yet taken the opportunity to compare them to each other. One is still in the box, since I found out how to make my first one work.
Once I get that project under way and compare my two machines, Selma, we will have to do some experimenting with the machines to compare with the homeopathics.
Robin, I'm not so interested in the Eagle Pro, since it only copies but doesn't make potencies. One of my machines is a no name I got off ebay. The other one is made by White Mountain. If I like it I'll let you know.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Just a quick note.
Heavy metals in movement, mobilized by no matter which means, by chelators, by newly dead critters, by ingesting contaminated food, by breathing contaminated air in a conference hall, by using infra red saunas, by using infra red in the skin like we do, whatever... can cause heart symptoms.
One of my main metal intoxication symptom is fatigue, but heart palpitations, high blood pressure, insomnia, hands shaking, air hunger are others. There are many other symptoms. Liver and kidney pain, GI track get messed up, stomach gets upset, then of course, I get a rise in candida infections, then more fatigue, more fog...
I remember reading an article about mercury intoxication symptoms, and you find that, like lyme, mercury poisoning mimics hundreds of diseases. It was not dozens, because the list was enormous!
I'm not saying all heart symptoms are from metal intoxication, but it feels that I often read that people take chelator supplements and get heart symptoms, or the infra red sauna above from Carry. It just sort of rings a bell.
a good way to know is to take many binders in suficient amounts at once and see if the heart symptom decreases. If you feel like a bit calmer after, it could be that!
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
Thank you, Selma; yesterday my heart symptoms died down significantly , despite my trying the sauna again after a break of 5 days, so I feel more encouraged.
I left out Pectasol Chelation, Moducare and Triphala for a few days because they were my newest supplements..also left out Amoxicillin. Yesterday and today have been using Spiro again, with boneset, samento and cumanda.
Funnily enough, I noticed the heart etc as easier almost immediately after drinking a redbush tea with 4 cardamom pods..smashed..and 2 cloves: must have been inspired by you, Selma!!
Carry
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Great you are feeling better Carry.
I am starting to have malarial symptoms after trying to kill it... I seem to have chills every evening the same time, that lasts about 1-2 hours, and having night sweats.
Not as bad as babesia, but there's a similar pattern (like going to bed feeling frozen, then wake up soaked in sweat). Nothing as bad as babesia but sort of crazy that I could have malaria....
I still can't believe... Just these tests keep saying... So, as for babesia, there's chronic malaria (?!!). That sounds incredible.
I start to feel more tired than usual, with some sun sensitivity again. Nothing strong, but I feel it.
I kept asking, and realized that these malaria critters are stuck into my liver. I feel some sort of pressure there, that doesn't react anymore with MSM dilutions, nor cilantro, nothing.
My liver wants now lemon. It may help with stuck particles there, I suppose. I started today on reflex massage in my liver and definitively feel something 'moving' there. Probably some garbage accumulated with the years (?).
I guess I need to clean my liver to get these critters out from it.
Rizol mix from dr. K. tests, only ONE DROP a day... This strain seems to have a cystic or dormant form (or might be just the eggs...), and again, like in babesia, they are killed with different products.
Malaria trop. active form: rizol mix, salt (light solution)
I thought I could go on vacation without taking any killers with me... Nope.
I will take these 4 'killers'. Photons with nosodes test negative, ingested nosodes either. It is sounding like babesia, isn't it?
But my babesia is dormant for a loooong time.
This malaria bug is testing only in my liver, so there I go for a lemon + reflex massage. If I can't get rid of it, then I guess I'll have to try the liver flush.
I have decades of experience with foot reflexology, let's see what I get for my liver + gall bladder there.
-- CAmphora D200 stopped testing for us all. And also the real camphor. CAmphor tincture didn't test (essential oil), even if diluted.
I feel now I need something like camphora D2. I wonder if I will be able to get such a low potency from the pharmacy.
I am impressed with the homeopathic form of Camphora, the D200. I will certainly keep this remedy on my side table and keep asking. For lymph drainage, it's an amazing remedy. Pity it stopped testing so far... I guess it did its job (?) ---- This will be my last post for the next weeks, I think. I'll try to check from abroad, but no idea if I will be able to post.
Have a nice holiday!
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Have a wonderful vacation, Selma.
Oh, on the Rose Quartz, I did some more dowsing about it - don't know if this is accurate, of course, but here's what I got: The Rose Quartz I've got in the bedroom will protect me from EMFs from outside the house but not from the inside wiring, unless I put a stone between me and the wall or put a stone under my pillow; Rose Quartz will NOT protect everyone; the reason it works for me is because many properties of the stone fit well with my personality/ constitution.
I didn't think to ask about these particular stones - they are very clear and translucent - they look almost like palest pink glycerin soaps. You can see through them. Some I have seen are mostly opaque with a lot of white in them.
Anyway, I put a stone under my pillow last night..... for the FIRST time in more years than I can remember, I didn't wake up until it was beginning to get light outside. I am ALWAYS up while it is still dark, winter and summer.... until last night. Pretty odd. It could be some other thing I started recently, though, so I can't say for sure.
Good to hear your heart issues have diminished, Carry. I'm hoping the infrared blanket sauna isn't part of the problem...... I just signed up for 10 Far Infrared Saunas a couple of weeks ago, and haven't done any since my heart palps started getting more frequent. My symptoms seem much better since the last dose of Lachesis, but I still feel like things aren't quite right yet.
Re `electromagnetic' versus genuine homeopathics: I've wondered about that. Perhaps we could compare it to allopathic drugs. For instance, aspirin made from real willow bark may test far superior to the synthetic aspirin we all use that is made in a lab. Or maybe `real' penicillin synthesized from actual mold would test much better than synthetic penicillin. The `synthetic' versions are good enough to get the job done for the majority of people.
Good grief, it's late already. That will teach me to wake up so late, lol.
Shimmy and Carry, it's so good to have other voices from across the pond, BTW.
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
R26..re: Eagle Pro Guardian
What really caught my attention was this:
Lithium battery.
Li is tricky to dose orally because we need so very little of it, but is
used for manic-depression.
(George Eby, author of a HUGE Mg website, cured his own manic-depression using Mg.)
I am pretty sure this stems from a glutamate problem since Mg is one of the gates to the NMDA receptors and glutamate kicks Mg off...
Lithium is a very very "reactive" mineral to make hydrogen and many of our cells are "hydrogen powered".
Hydrogen...our pH = potential of hydrogen.
CoQ10 carries hydrogen INTO the mitochondria. We normally MAKE this enzyme.
CoQ10 supplement is made with either rice bran oil or soybean oil which contain small amts. of nutrients...key ones.
It is very expensive and it is likely a LOT in divided doses per day would be needed.
About photons...
Energy travels in various wavelengths.
The key wavelengths for "intuition" are alpha and (esp.) theta.
I have a "meditation" CD which has to be listened to via headphone.
Can you look at the above and figure out which wavelength (s) lyme is impacting?
When I listen to the above CD, I hear an ongoing underlying "tone" (carrier wave?)
Can we listen to music and "retrain" the brain?
I also have a CD called "Sleep Deeply". We play it every night and by the second track...fall asleep. We use a portable CD player, plugged in, and have attached cheap speakers. It really works to help us to fall asleep.
Finally, I have another CD which I haven't listened to yet...called "Sequencia".
This CD is supposed to help repair our DNA.
Here is what is printed on the back:
Introduction Tal Adenine Tal Thymine Tal Guanine Psalmus Pataphysical thymine
(I double-checked spelling...the last 2 are "Greek" to me.)
Now I know many/most of you think this is hog-wash, but supposedly it is legit research from some very smart people (Dr. David Deamer is one) who in conjunction with musicians (Susan Alexjander) figured out how to use "sound" to heal.
Sound...light...just different "area" of the same...the EM spectrum.
It appears the body maybe trying to prevent cell death (apoptosis) from this route and others.
Too many cells dying too fast...the body would not be able to handle. It looks to want to destroy the pathogen, but preserve the cells.
This looks to involve NO = nitric oxide.
And the NO level is also controlled by ephinephrine and norephinephrine (= adrenaline and noradrenaline)- lowered - which impact the adrenergic receptors = 2 alpha(s) and 1 beta.
"Catecholamines decrease hepatocyte (liver cells) production of NO
***in response to cytokine stimulation.***
Cytokines -> catecholamines -> liver NO production down.
While some NO is good, too much is not.
This effect seems to be due to post-translational events and appears to be mediated in part by cyclic adenosine monophosphate." PMID: 11490358
cAMP.
How do I know all this? My daughter is very ill right now and the docs cannot find the cause.
This was all triggered initially by:
the BC pill, Yasmin,
which is NOT supposed to be given to asthmatics.
She is asthmatic.
She has a genetic problem and has used Ventolin (albuterol) to open her airways.
asthma homozygous for arginine at B16 (B16Arg/Arg)
(In genetics, an individual is homozygous for a trait if both genes from both parents are the same.)
"such as B16 and L1210, might contain a cell population
***resistant to arginine deficiency.***
Such resistant cells may have a high arginine-regenerating..."
"60% of patients with asthma homozygous for arginine at B16 (B16 Arg/Arg) had a positive response to albuterol (29),
compared with only 13% in individuals homozygous for glycine at that position (p = 0.05). "
This genetic problem looks to shift her immune response to a greater cytokine response...and her "alpha" adrenergic receptors maybe upregulated.
Like her 'bro...both have too friggin much inflammation going on.
They have a very hard time balancing Na and K.
For HER...Yasmin was disasterous. It is an aldosterone antagonist and causes hyperkalemia (too high potassium level in the blood).
The drug, Ventolin works by this:
This drug ***promotes movement of K into cells***, lowering the blood levels.
"Hyperkalemia develops when there is excessive production (oral intake, tissue breakdown) or ****ineffective elimination of potassium.*** "
So genetically she has a hard time getting K INTO the cells (= need for Rx: Ventolin), but lowering aldosterone via Yasmin prevented K from LEAVING the body (elimination) -> hyperkalemia.
It was not a good idea to lower her aldosterone level given her genetic makeup.
Please say a prayer for her. She is very sick. This has been going on for over a year...one symptom, one problem to another to another. It's getting scary...dry eyes, photosensitive, her thyroid (ultrasound)is enlarged on one side, 2 days ago she had to have her urethra dilated 'cause it was very constricted and she was holding onto too much urine (residual)...
When will they figure out a root cause?!
Sorry for rambling..."mom" is worried about her child.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Babesia is a tricky lil critter aint it.
Have a great vakay selma! good luck with the search!
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I'm sorry about your daughter, Marnie. I don't really know enough about what your posted. I'm not against drugs but they can be harsh on the system. I try to use natural remedies as much as I can. It's easier for me to figure out what went wrong if I get really ill.
I like Hemi-sync & the binaural beats very much. I believe Dr. K has a Lyme CD. I called the office to find info about it & no one returned my call.
Selma, I would suggest that you do a good parasite cleanse before doing the liver flush. Hulda Clark has lots of info about it.
The liver flushes can be harsh. It's good to be prepared & to be able to rest for a few days afterwards. After the parasite cleanse, you may want to try some herbs to soften the stones prior to the liver flush.
I don't think I would do a liver flush "cold' again. I just had no idea what was really going on!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Marnie, sending you a big hug, it was already a lot to have your sister sick, now your daughter...
What a life... And I guess, no one knows again the cause? So much suffering around. Sending good vibes for your little one and FOR MOM TOO!! You don't deserve that, Marnie!!
------
thanks Sparkle and Joey!! I will go on vacations, and see after for the flush or parasite cleanse...
I did about 20 minutes reflex massage (PAINFUL!!!!) on my liver point, it was a mess there, I could feel in my feet. Then bigger fatigue for 2 hours, and now again, back to being energetic... What a life.
Malaria... no one will ever believe me.
gotta go pack!
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
Brussels!
When I did liver flushes ( I am warning people here) I disturbed the dormant BUGS as well and I made some of them comming out of thir NEST( that were forced ,disturbed )5 times in 2 weeks apart.
I have seen them exactly as at lymephotos.com
I have had all lyme and COInfections and I made the CHAINS of lyme and babs getting out and spread in my body.In this case I know for sure that WAS BABESIA DIVERGENS the BIGGY and malaria type .
Was scary as I could feel them creating a bloot clogg and have no idea how they did not move towards my head.
But I definitly could track them from my left foot moving into my veins into my liver and up to my arms -was very very scary and my heart valvue was making a weird noise and such pain when they bypassed that heart .WOBENZYMES and CAYENES peper , Co q10 kept me alive .Thank good I was prepared for this stuff back than in 2006.
So I was lucky to know exactly what could help me back than but I just did not know what the hell the bugs were ( again was clueles on lyme).
NOW that I know that I have had 3 babesia and a Malaria type( found that the ER when I was 6 in hospital on IV -was somthing with malaria/type that I got in MY COUNTRY ) .We used to have this for decades on some area in my country where I grew up and is not somthing old.
Also recall that in EUROPE back 35 years ago was a clouds of bugs that came from other countries that destroyed all the corps( I wonder if they were released purpously -it would not surprise me as it was only in HOT AREAS of EUROPE where big changes of campuses -politicly were hapening throughout the world and they finaly were separated into 2 groups) .
Many disease were showed up later.Some of them were listed on the website of the cautries were the troups are still SO NO SUPRISE that you can really get it even now!!!
There are still people that get treatment from GOVERNMENT for it if the parents passed them into kids -but they are clueles on lyme like most of the rest in europe .MALARIA has been known and is known there but you just do not know it as you came from BRAZIL.
Bruseels,I do beilive you -and certain forms are not only in tropicals but as plasmodium they are eveyrwhere-mousquitos are the problem.
Watch out please to treat treat it before you do a liver flush.I insist on every one -liver flushes are GREAT but without doing all the stages as I mentioned -I AM IN NO NO RECOMANDATIONS .Also to break down the STONES has always been used ( sim ple way) using GREEN APLE JUICE .1 glass a DAY and you will be fine.Juice it with the skin in it.
Stone FREE is also a good product from planetary .I have been using it lately .
You need to kill them before you do liver flushes and you let them loose -watch out .Letting them loose as in my case was dangerous( I was clueles less than about TICK Borne illneses-I was just trying to clean my body).
This happened after I have had done all the SHULTZES programs, Sandra CABOT diet and using all her products and every step of HULDAS but did not treated tick borne illness and in my case BABESIA was a HUGE issue on my case .You know that they STAY in the LIVER.
Brussels...since I started treatment to chase babs ( seems that this treatment is hitting that bug as well) my first spot that I felt pain when I did the liver flushes was exactly in my left side of the liver.
Now every time I take the stuff for treatment I feel the pain right there but is geting less and less -hopefully will destroy their nest for good this time.
THE NEST was build for almost 35 years .So is not that easy to get them all out .I also noticed that THE ONLY THING THAT HAS fully potencial to the BRAIN to treat any babs /equinine , protozoa, even tryponasomas, toxa ...WAS ARTEMISIA from Z.
This one had the highest point to treat things and CROSS BBB.( I am just sharing ).Also tested that the potency of ARTEMISIN is HIGHER when taken after the GFS exstract before so the absorbation of it from the gut is stronger ( fully ) but does not catch the cyst of any babesia thats the tricky part and you really need a cyst buster.
THEILERIA microti that is USA strain is NaSTY .CAUSES twitching -NO kidding.If you do not kill it off complelty will come back and is in matter of time.In this case is not brucella is not bartonella...but COLONIES of THEILERIA.This was is a piroplasmosis .
That is the reason that my first atempt to kill babs on artemisin alone DID not work.
I did not know that before -so you need to think of the cyst buster as well.
Another thing is that only 5-7 pills ( of zhang ) will reach the brain TAKEN all at the same time.Than later 2 more dosages of 5 are at least that should be 15-17 in the system within 24 to do the job and reach exstremeties.I am talking about top of head and hands and feet.
My left shoulder IS FINALLY free in my case so my heart is finally fine ( even from CYST now) and my right shoulder was so painful when reached the 17 day treatment and it WAS DEEP very DEEP in the middle of my right shoulder.
I also noticed that NOT ONLY Lyme goes to one side .So my babs are on my right side as well -where LYME stayed.So even though my lyme is dormant and I am almost done with bart for GOOD and ehrlichia does not seem to be there anymore ..still babs is higher on right side in my body.So the left side is getting clearer faster .
Maybe I am lucky as the people that have the left side involved they have the HEART side as well and the tightnees on the shoulder and chest problems even more.
NO tightness on my neck and knees getting stronger.I also wanted to add that ARTEMISIN took the best point IN TREATING MANY THINGS as I mentioned above.
I recall the chills as you mentioned SELMA...leaving in harmony with a TICK bomb disease is not my choice.That`s got to get out of my body at least NOW that I test them mysel .I know when you say no body is going to beilive me.I completly beilive you .I have almost given up on my doctors.Since I started treating myself I made way more progress and faster recovery .
So my kids.I made their protocoll.After I have done so many eksperiment in my body .
By the way .IF you do ART -the body says NO NEED for ARTEMISIN.BUt when I asked for the BUGS in the brain -HOW many I need to reach them than I get the answer.So my rephrasing is diferent.My liver is almost cleaned.That is when MUSCLE testing is ended to help me.MY pendulum ( or biotensor) is the best to follow.
As I am chasing them in FREE form and in CYST form at the same time I am reducing them at the same rate .
Spleen also is not in pain anymore..due to the fact that does not have to work hard ( usully most people that Have babs /protozoa, toxa and plasmodiuam have pain in their left side).The spleen has to work exstra hard to clean the blood from this blood parasites.
I have talked to many people and have heard that they have pain on the left side.THAT I recomend them TO SEE and look into PROTOZOAS, BABS diferent strains, toxa, plasmodiums strains , tryponasomas and things like that .
Ironicly you will not find them by blood test.In my case I find them again at my hands and feet and they are still in the brain -lower thank good in the liver but if somebody will take my blood test now..THEY WILL NOT SEE a thing if they get it from my arm.
That is when they are wrong.I need to be in this treatment for at least 7 weeks -based on the consistant answer I get before reaching this exstremeties and killed them off there to the maximum( there is never 100% but I am shooting to the closest SCORE ).
I am not letting them regroup.
ALSO noticed that ( I still use RIFING to reach the skin layers and top of head) that every frequency of BABS that was 60-80 minutes testing 1 months ago for me -Now is down to 10 average....So thumbs up to RIFE that is still reaching the free forms only .
I have insisted on cleaning the body by steps colon , kidney and than LIVER .SOmebody mentioned MERCURY .In no way you want to treat mercury without opening up this 3 above and have a clean liver from most of the TICK borne illneses and parasites.
GETTING THEM ALL is imposible( even though I am not for harmony ) but freeing this organs before you attempt to deal with mercury and pulling it -for me is wrong .You do not want to dump some more mercury on top of what you already have so is a BIG NO NO .
They should be on TOP form to work before you dump more things and your gut should be healed before you through metals in there and redistribute them into the brain .
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Marnie, I'm sorry as well for what you and your daughter are going through. Your daughter is blessed to have you as a mom.
Tracy, I missed the posts for a while and am skimming.. I hope you are feeling better.
Selma, I will contact you off list. Thank you.
I've missed alot.. you all are fantastic and fascinating people... I'll be reading more thoroughly when I feel better.
I have my results from my first zyto. I have too much ammonia that needs to be addressed before we start methylation support.
Bb and fungus are my biggest issues today. Babesia was not. Mildly effected by bartonella. Virus in brain. Strep in gut. Mostly fungus messing up my intestinal immunity. The list goes on.
The focus for now is to address ammonia (probably spelling wrong) and fungus and when ammonia is cleared enough, move into methylation support.
I plan to take the yaskow panel. I am tired of guessing and need the concrete support.
I am finding my muscle testing md has not been asking the "right" questions. It seems she has been bandaiding and I dont see how she did not get the fungus, which I believe to be true and have instinctually thoght this since I began Bb treatment and had fungus patches pop out on my legs (as if instinct has anything to do with that.. and as if my doctors believed me, not.)
I am angry, which showed up on the zyto as well. Phenols, some amino acid that begins with a P.. I get the report tonight. My gut, immunity, ammonia, Bb control I think will be the focus for now. No glaring parasite issue. Did have a microscopic parasite show up as an issue.. no report in hand to refer to. No big liver or gallbladder issue but pretty glaring spleen problem.
I was convincing myself Bb was not my biggest issue and it may not be.. fungus showed as my biggest.. but I was almost convinced I have no Bb, but babesias.
It seems some of us (I cant be the only one?) have some real foundation work to build on before we can go on a pathogen killing spree.
I knew this all along. I knew this. That is why I have been spinning for the past year not commiting to any treatment.
I dont even think a liver cleanse is a good thing for me right now. Nothing to stress my system.
I genetically am not to take progesterone (cytochrome P 450 pathway does not metabolize it well), but this month without it has ripped me apart emotionally. I hope the pregesterone is the synthetic one and not the bioidentical one. I think I need this. I'm a wreck.
Posted by lymeberry (Member # 20102) on :
Marnie saying prayers for your daughter's health.
R62 I hope you feel better soon.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I agree with you Alv! It's weird how these things seem to affect on side over the other. Most of my problems are on the right side.
I'm herxing quite a bit today so I''m not going to write a long post. I have started taking Nutramedix Quina with the other herbs & supplements. It's really kicking some butt. I only took 5 drops.
I haven't had symptoms of the co-infections but it doesn't mean I don't have them. I just don't seem to be affected with the symptoms. I'm not sure what Quina is killing but it's hitting something. Guess I'll have to cut it back.
Take care everyone.
PS - R62 - Take a look at this.
Lyme toxins the primary cause of your symptoms!
Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients , April, 2007 by David A. Jernigan
Thank you lymeberry and sparkle.:-)
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
You all are inspiring me. I'm looking forward to Hulda's protocol, when the timing is right.
Did a fine footbath last night for my cracked and fungal harboring feet. Used magnesium sulfate, Real Salt, and some colloidal silver. Not much can live in that mix, and my feet are noticeably better today.
I also dropped in the electrodes to my Sota Pulser that runs on a 9V battery. Our om meter showed .03V (not much) but it was fun to add a lttle technology. I'll repeat, and see how it goes.
The homemade nosode of mold etc. air sample used with biophotons seems to be doing me some good. I am committed to sticking to just this nosode alone for at least a week. I don't even know all of what might be in that air sample after all.
I have a habit of blasting away with everything I can get my hands on, and then paying the price.
I am using the PE-1 while standing up and using the lean forward/lean back method of dousing. I ask whether or not an area would benefit from light, and then how long. I continue to use this kind of light at level 10 for about 8 minutes total. I worked on standard placements, and also lungs, liver, and GI.
When motivated, I change to Nogier settings appropriate for each placement. When too tired to douse that carefully, I just use direct mode.
Woke up this morning with aching kidneys - probably from dehydration. The rest of me aches a whole lot less than it was before, since beginning to treat the mold. I feel almost good again, although still too tired.
I also know I've got Babesia back. That was a surprise. But I'm ignoring it until I get these mycotoxins to back way down. I'm nearly there, I think.
So next is to follow everybody's advice and clear the liver.
Also deal with allergies. I'm inspired by Selma's allergy work.
Marnie, sorry to hear about your daughter. Sounds maybe like a pituitary adrenal axis problem affecting the thyroid.
Does she have a candida load? Has she had her hormone levels checked by somebody who does natural replacement. I hope you and she find some good answers!
Hang in there Robin, Sparkle, everybody!
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I'm re-doing my website. I'm going to try to archive this thread when I have some time. I'll repost it there - I hope it won't be a problem with copywrite.
PS - Bejoy - I always craved iced green tea when I was using the infrared light. I'm not sure why... maybe it has electrolites or some trace mineral I needed. I must have drank gallons of it...
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Marnie, very sorry your daughter has chronic problems, now worsened by a medication that should never have been prescribed for her.....
You said that it was the Yasmin that triggered this downturn and that was over a year ago? And now she has hyperkalemia? That is very frightening.
If medical docs can't seem to come up with solutions, maybe it is time to seek some alternative testing and treatment methods.
I don't know if you are interested, Marnie, and it's a bit of a `shot in the dark', but my first suggestion is to make a remedy out of the Yasmin to counter/antidote the ill effects of the drug. Even though it has been quite awhile since this all got started, there's still a chance that it will work. If you know exactly what caused the problem, then that is often the remedy that will `cure' it - in homeopathic form.
Or, you might consider making a remedy out of your daughter's blood or saliva - those body fluids should carry the information needed to treat the underlying problem. (You only need a drop or two of blood.)
I'm unable to find hyperkalemia or `excess potassium' in my main Repertory book, but under `potassium poisoning', most of the remedies listed are homeopathic potassium salts or compounds; therefore, it is likely that one of these `potassium' remedies could treat your daughter's problem, depending on her symptoms.
It's also possible that a certain Cell Salt (or more than one) could make a huge difference here - a way to use miniscule mineral doses to trigger discharge of toxic substances and achieve balance of fluids and minerals in and around the cells. Even with the symptoms you described, though, I couldn't see anything definite to work with in my books.
Besides homeopaths - and some of them can work with you or your daughter online rather than in person - there are a lot of other practitioners out there.
For instance, I'm considering going to a BioMeridian practitioner near here. I was talking to a chiropractor I know the other day, and she told me that the BioMeridian testing showed a major mold problem in her whole family. They didn't know they had a mold problem in their house. But they found the problem, eliminated the source, and then got treatment from the practitioner. She said everyone in her family is now doing great. She couldn't have been more positive about her experience.
Have you investigated some of the Yasmin forums for information? Your daughter is certainly not alone! I ran across one while looking for some homeopathic ideas for you.........
There are some options out there, Marnie..... hopefully, this will give you a few ideas.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Marnie, I'm very sorry to hear about your daughters illness. I'll be praying for her to get well and keep an eye out for anything helpful.
Selma -- The liver is so essential, getting it working properly should involve a strategy of homeopathics and constituents. Do you think you need to address parasites first? I didn't feel I needed, so I went for it. I think my kidneys are the next cleansing battle ground so I'm preparing to do that next.
R62 -- I don't know if you've considered ornithine an amino acid for reducing ammonia. Just something to consider. From what I understand, an under performing liver due to toxic overload is the reason for ammonia build up in the body.
I'll have to read more about the zyto. It look to be an excellent diagnostic piece of equipment.
I've felt well but recently I've been getting very fatigued. I'm definitely putting out toxins. I'm testing positively for binders again, lots of them. I'm going to have to continue supporting the liver and the kidneys. During this time, so I've put away any killers.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Sparkle, that's funny about the green tea. I've been drinking iced green tea by the gallon this week, something I have never had a desire for before. I make it with fresh ginger, lemon juice, and agave.
My PE-1 update -
Woke up with the herx pain. It's the all over stiff muscle pain that goes with congested lymph. Silly me, I didn't use my Systemic Drainage vial with my last two sessions. Didn't think I'd need it, but now I do. That vial has entirely prevented herx symptoms in the past. It has been a magic bullet for me.
This air sample remedy is really working! It's the one I made on my remedy maker from an air sample of the worst mold locations in my house. I put it in the machine and potentised it to a series remedy that tested good for me.
The best way I can tell I am getting results, besides the herx symptoms, are that I suddenly have no more sores in my nose, and my bladder symptoms have decreased again. Those are my biggest tell-tale signs for candida, molds, fungals, and mycotoxins in my body. Those symptoms have been persistent since mold came up into the house from storage.
Clearly, in my case, the biphoton therapy is effective with bacterials and fungals.
Now, how to get probiotics into my entire system, and not just the gut??? I'm thinking probiotics must do almost as much as the immune system to fight off invaders throughout the body.
Robin, in my experience, an energy remedy can be made for anything you can get a testing vial for, if you can't find the nosodes. Ergopathics.com has almost anything you have ever heard of. If they don't have it, they can sometimes get it.
When I get through this mold piece, I'll give a full report on my copiers, as so many people have requested more information. I have to be super-clear to do that kind of testing and comparison.
Bob, sorry to hear you are fatigued again, but sounds like you are making more forward progress. There will be more good kayaking days in your future!
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Daughter just found out she has a thyroid cyst - 4mm.
Severe dry eyes, photophobia, vertigo (ears), neck "cracks" (Nitric oxide), sore throat, kidney pain, urethra stenosis (had to be dilated because of constriction - ouch)... all because
Yasmin is NOT SUPPOSED TO BE GIVEN TO ASTHMATICS.
I'm livid.
We often have harmless cysts elsewhere (not cancerous) as a result of
LOW Mg levels.
They often show up in our kidneys. Google: kidney cysts.
Genetically triggered (!), she is overproducing too many cytokines (as her bro does).
It appears (since albuterol = Ventolin rescues her) that she is
resistant to an arginine deficiency.
Ventolin (used as an inhaler for asthma attacks) works by ***helping potassium go into the cells***.
Her Th1 pathway is dominant and this impacts her ability to use the Th2 pathway to deal with molds (her allergy trigger).
She is "estrogen dominant" and her bro's testosterone level is sky high.
In some ways those hormones are protective since they look to impact PKC (activate).
You know this puts them at greater RISK for breast and prostate cancer, respectfully.
Too much inflammation -> increased need for the ANTI-Inflammatory, Mg.
She had to have IV Mg 5 years ago to halt premature labor (her system via too much inflammatory cytokines is "hostile" to a fetus).
She OVERPRODUCED serotonin and had hyperemesis for many months (Rx $$$ Zofran) Serotonin -> melatonin to try to deal with too friggin much "oxidative stress" going on which is triggered by the inflammatory cytokines. Too many oxygen free radicals which look for something to lock onto like N -> too much NO = nitric oxide.
I can't tell you how angry I am at her doctor for giving her Yasmin since it clearly says it is NOT to be given to asthmatics.
Same OB-GYN who Rx'd: brethine when she was 8 mos. pregnant, which is a KNOWN NEUROTOXIN and can cross the barrier.
This is a doc she trusted.
I prayed a lot.
Grandaughter was preemie and had lots of prob. - pyloric stenosis followed by post op infection...had to be on very $$$$ formula.
Seems okay now (age 5). Kids are very resiliant.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Thanks for your encouragement bejoy and bob.. I have ornithine and just purchased a yasko supp called Bh4.
I also am ordering l-citrilline and considering yucca and Jernigans formula.
Anyone dealt with Brucella? It came up a bigger stressor than Bb. My gut is so wrecked I cant comprehend how I can take abx, esp when the antifungals are metabolized through my screwed up cytochrome p450 pathway. Zyto says many clostridias, steps, pseudonoma, many yeasts, candidas.. I dont doubt at least some of this is true, not sure how much is out of balance, though.
A little scared.. anyone with perspective to share here or PM would be appreciated.
I know there is a desbio series for brucella. EBV a backgorund player. Ehrichilosis. Babs and bart were not stressors this round.
I was advised to spend some time mopping up ammonia, building immunity, addressing dopamine which we think may not be registering at receptor (homeopathic desbio), addressing candida and gut bacteria.
We talked of the clark cleanse and Dr chrisotphers to prepare for that. I would do paraste even if the buggers did not show up on the zyto. I wont play with that. But prob not a good idea to put out more ammonia by killing them before we get what I have mopped up and learn what supp works best for me.
I'm bitting the bullet and ordering the methylation panel. Looks like some of us just cant simply (haha) kill lyme.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
This single thread at LN has SO much information - it's almost overwhelming!
Hey, that's an interesting Tooth Chart, Bob. I may have to print that one out.... thanks.
Sparkle, that would be terrific if you could figure out how to archive this thread on your website (though I didn't know you had a website?). This thread is getting so big, it needs it own Search Engine.
Selma, I wonder if the 100 succussions is too much for the C potencies? Could that be why they seem too strong for you? Maybe 40 succussions for C potencies and 100 succussions for the D (X) potencies?
Joey, I'm another one with a CFS label (though it came after the Fibro label), and my red blood cells deteriorate rapidly, too (darkfield microscope - live blood analysis). Interesting what you stated about the anaerobic metabolism....
pH balance and acidity are subject to mineral/electrolyte balance. The minute you get excited over something, it upsets the mineral balance in your body. (Where did I just read about that?) And I found that what Selma said is true - too many alkaline foods or supps ingested cause alkalinity of the stomach, when in fact I need more acid there. So, it's a tough balancing act.
IMHO, though we may have `adrenal exhaustion' or `adrenal insufficiency', our adrenal glands are probably the ultimate culprit in this whole dance. It's a Catch-22; we boost our immunity in some way, only to have our immune system get shut off when our adrenal glands get stronger and start functioning! No wonder we can't get rid of the bugs.
I saw a quote the other day that explained it rather simply. I think it's something we've all heard before but we tend to focus on treating the result of the problem and not dealing with the cause. And in a sense, we have no choice because the cause is elusive in that it encompasses a sphere or plane that goes beyond the physical.
This quote is actually copyrighted, but I'm going to take a chance that this person won't get upset if I post what he said. The quote is from Peter Chappell, someone I've been watching with interest for the past couple of years. He's created resonance remedies for specific conditions (including Lyme) which he says are neither homeopathic (in the strict sense) nor are they `radionic'. But he won't tell how he makes them. I guess you could call Peter an ultimate `mongrel' homeopath. - he's definitely a mixed breed.
quote:Chronic Alarm
The body has two defense systems, the external defense system and the inner defense system. One protects from the outside threats and is commonly called the fight, flight and freeze system (FFFS), and one which protects from inside threats and is commonly called the immune system. When the FFFs is activated it shuts down the immune system.... Simply put, the two don't operate together, its one or the other. However we are chronically in an alarmed state.
The external threats defense system is brilliant when you are confronted with say a hungry lion.... However there are not many lions about. But in our present world there are many long-range threats -- epidemic diseases and constant wars and many fears about daily life and our survival and our job, and the external threat system has been over stimulated into a chronic alarm state in most people including athletes. We are in effect living on the edge, as if life is threatened. We are living in a constant chronic alarm as if they are going to be eaten by a hungry lion and we never really calm down.
An example of this is when communism ended in East Germany where there was a huge industrial pollution but jobs for life for everybody, and guaranteed security. The illness rate in the population was about 4%. Whereas in West Germany it was 16%. Since the collapse of communism the illness rate has shot up to 16% even though most of the terribly polluting industries have been shut down. This shows what is really important; communism - for all its faults - provided a safety net for everybody and capitalism is much more like the law of the jungle, a question of survival, and is a far less safe feeling system.
So it's not the pollution that's really the big problem it's the lack of security and the fighting to survive that is the most important factor. Fighting to survive activates the chronic alarm system which in turn switches off a lot of immunity and the illness rate rises dramatically -- 4 times! Which means that much of the whole population is living on its nerves. This is the situation in which most people now live -- it's unhealthy -- and it's capitalism under which most people now live.
This has the effect of stopping the immune system especially in the creation of life-sustaining energy and reserves and to the extent we are alarmed, shuts down a lot of important body systems and reduces our energy.
Peter knows what he is talking about. His AIDs `remedy' that is working so well in Africa did not work well in Europe and America. He had to develop a second AIDs remedy for use in Westernized societies.
It's one thing to worry about having ANY clothes to put on your back; it's quite another to be concerned with fashion or designer labels and what people might think if you wear clothes from Kmart, etc. These are the `little' stressors we put on ourselves in lieu of `the lion'. Some people seem to thrive no matter what the stress is, but others just don't. To some, it's the stress-equivalent of little micro-factures in the bones, or micro-tearing of muscles and tendons...... nothing that can be seen, but it's damage that can't heal under constant stress.
So, once again, it comes back to US as being the problem, not so much what we encounter in life. There is no blame here - we inherited certain traits of personality that cause us to `feel too much' on some level. We've got to figure out how to free ourselves from `the Western lion' that begins to shape our future the minute we are born, IMHO.
Meanwhile, we kill bugs and detox and promote drainage and chelate and bind and excrete and sweat..... all essential unless - or until - we can find some way to detach from the stressors that make this all necessary.
Maybe the `universal treatment' is photons + tautopathic Valium.
BTW, Peter Chappell is offering a free Swine Flu remedy that you simply download to your computer, if anyone is interested...... http://www.healingdownloads.com/
Selma, I hadn't thought about mercury toxicity mimicking so many other conditions..... but it makes perfect sense. Syphilis was the original `great imitator' of other diseases, so it makes sense that early on, the main treatment for Syphilis was with a `like remedy' - Mercury. I'd never made that connection before, but it's there.
Oh, Robin - YOU must have been where I heard about the Zyto machines first..... I knew it sounded familiar.....
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
I posted this on another thread that died, but I thought it was worth mentioning here....
I ran across this at the Frequency Foundation - people who use various machines and frequencies for treatment, etc. I have no idea where the information came from, but the reference to Lyme and Plum Island caught my eye.
quote:Swine Flu Update 30 Apr 2009 Frequency Foundation ongoing research indicates that there are three virus strains circulating. Two variants of swine flu and one of bird flu. This may account for mixed genetic material seen in viruses cultured by other researchers. The frequencies appear to be the same as one of the many hundreds of viruses that those infected with Lyme disease have been fighting for years with minor changes.
So they are likely variants of the many viruses studied and released into the atmosphere at the Plum Island laboratory through decades of violation of EPA safety regulations. At least one United Nations expert thinks these viruses were produced in a lab.... http://frequencyfoundation.com/
So, what I get from this is that the frequencies of the current flu bugs going around are very similar to the co-infections that Lymies have been dealing with for years? Hmmm.
Re Babesia: (maybe I asked this already)....
Has anyone tried or tested homeopathic Cinchona (may be labeled as China-officinalis in many homeopathic books) - the source of quinine?
How about a homeopathic version of Artemisinin (Artemisia-annua)?
If anyone needs to contact Dr Woitzel, his phones are down as he moves his office, but his fax is 49 7231 428880 and his temp email is [email protected]
I just returned from Germany and anyone can email me with questions. [email protected] Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Sorry to interupt this thread.. I hve a thread on brucella.. if any of you have insights to post here or there, I would appreciate it!
All I have been able to pull up is the desbio homeopathic series, which may not be a bad idea, just wanting input on it and other alternatives.
This tested as my highest pathogen stressor (besides gut stressors) on my zyto test. I am wondering if this is causing the tremors in my spine.
Thank you.:-)
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Tracy--
I agree. As of 2 months ago (testing with neuroscience), my adrenal curve is still flat (it doesn't change throughout the day, whereas it should drop steeply from morning to afternoon and drop slightly more at night). My MD told me today it takes the adrenals about 6 months to correct themselves.. that's with proper adrenal supplementation. i've probably only done proper supp for 2 months.. .before then I was always hesitant to take high doses of any hormones, but I realized this is beyond necessary.
I'm sure within 3-4 months many of these fatigue symptoms will improve as long as I keep at it.
I ordered the ozone sauna today, so after 2 liver flushes it's a go. I'm extremely excited! About both! First one is today... wish me luck. I hope I get stoned like a heretic.
[ 05-21-2009, 09:45 PM: Message edited by: m0joey ]
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Go get 'em, joey! Good luck - good to see you are excited about what you've found!
R62, I can't find squat on Brucella in any of my homeopathic books.... not even under other names used like 'undulating fever' or 'Malta fever' or 'Bang's disease'. I'm not turning up anything much on the Web, either. I find that very odd.
Looks like there are several species....
Didn't the Zyto practitioner have any suggestions?
Celletech has a 'homeotherapeutic' nosode with 4 types of Brucella in it....
Sorry.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Just did the liver flush....and I just felt my toxicity level drop 10 fold today. Wow. Also had a legitimate spike in energy...which as I understand is the honeymoon before the toxicity builds up again for the next flush. Granted I did 2 of em back in 06 and didn't experience the same degree of alleviation, but that just means all this stuff has been building up for 3 years.
Can't wait for the next one!
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I'm not real enthusiastic about the Frequency Foundation... Had a kind of negative experience with them.
I do think that what we consider as stressful is damaging. It's all very relative, though. I stopped watching TV & it's made a big difference. Some people who are poor can be happy but the pathogens will make people ill regardless of wealth or poverty.
I guess we just have to adjust the way we perceive the dangers... Quit watching TV & limit exposure to the news, radio, internet, etc. They are sneaking in very violent, unnecessary descriptions even on NPR (which is sponsored by Monsanto, etc.). I suspect there's a reason but I'm prone toward to being suspicious about what "they" are up to.
Robin - what is picked up on the energetic readings may be "energetic" forms of the illnesses - not necessarily the full blown version. You may be able to do quite well with homeopathics. I did well with the mycoplasma remedy from Desbio.
m0joey - I've been thinking alot about the adrenals! I think that once you or I get the liver cleaned up - our adrenal function may become improved.
Taking an "external" remedy like a hormone may not be the key. We need to treat the root cause of the adrenal stress. I have to study it further. I think my cortisol levels are way out of whack. I feel like I was hit by a train in the AM.
I read that cholesterol has something to do with adrenal function or cortisol. It's connected with the liver, somehow - I just have to study it further...
Tracy- I do have a website but I didn't update it since 2006. I'm starting to re-do it... I was just too ill & stressed.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Thank you Sparkle for the perspective. I need it.
I bought a kidney cleanse at whole foods and am starting there. Too many pathogens for me to bear. I just need to focus.
Decided to take the stress level down. I have been about to crack. That means as few nutramedix products as possible.. they are so picky about mixing and I know why, but it is so stressful.
Decided to make lists of anti fungals, anti microbials, anti blablas and take one of each and if one gets many, good for me.
Ammonia protocol, kidney cleanse, some balance with anti blablas.. move on to parasite and or colon or both.. are the colon cleanses too harsh?
Dr. Christophers to prepare for liver cleanse and then liver cleanse.
I have the ph sticks to test that and am going to start hydrogen peroxide baths (copying Joey) and Homozon... can I do that anytime?
KMT for lymph and cellular balance, parasites later.
Valkion at some point. ( I got a deal and cannot believe I bought it without more research but whats done is done and maybe its a good thing)
If Brucella still shows up as a problem, I am blood testing. Can nosodes hurt if I only have it energetically?
If gut bacteria still shows up a problem... MMS or CS.. although I read somewhere that folks with ammonia issues should not use MMS.. ??
A Plan.. I need a plan to make me feel I have some control over this mess. If my spine was not so unstable, and my head not so emotionally unstable at times, I think I could deal better.
For now I am afraid of the light. LOL:-)
Seriously considering Progurt for the gut.
Ive been thinking how much stress effects the terrain and how I have been feeling like a train wreck. Not good.
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Hi peeps,
I agree with you about the adrenals connection ...this seems to be why training programmes like the Lightning Process and the Gupta prog are really helping some people with CFS, in some cases to even fully recover, as they help the body to switch from the fight or flight sympathetic state to a healing parasympathetic state.
Thats a really interesting quote from Peter Chappell thanks for posting it Tracy!
Great news about the liver flush Joey!! I found the same when I did a couple in the past, my energy would skyrocket too... then I never did any more after that..
I have a very flat adrenal curve too with cortisol levels below the ref range so a non-adaptive response.. its been like that for a yr and I was hoping that the photon therapy would have helped a bit but was disappointed to find out recently that my cortisol levels are still below the ref range. Though from urine cortisol testing my cortisol is high, so its not like my adrenals arent producing it, rather something is blocking its utilisation at the cellular level.
Ive been told that I need to take hydrocortisone but Ive taken it before and thats partly what caused my adrenals to completely burn out tho I probably took too much for too long without treating the infections at the same time... I think I'd almost be well by now had I not done that.. but anyway I have been trying to get by without it so far and hoping that taking glandulars and other supps is enough..
I was in touch with a German Bionic practitioner recently who suggested some RNA supps for the adrenals so going to look into those... she reckons that you need good adrenal function to help utilise the photons properly.
Interestingly tho just the last few days I am finding that since taking the super wormwood blend and doing the MFT tapping, which seems to have worked on my liver/gallbladder, have both helped with energy which has had a knock-on effect on my adrenals, so similarly to flushing I'm feeling less like I'm about to crash and have had more consistent and better energy so thats good news.
Hormones are made from cholesterol but lyme uses cholesterol doesnt it and other infections too like chlamydia pneumoniae which I also have ... i notice that when I lower my cholesterol, my adrenals crash.
I'm impressed that you've stopped watching TV Sparkle but I can totally see why it would help as a lot of it is so negative and mindnumbing isnt it?! I live alone so its like company to me tho so dont think I'd be brave enough lol.
[ 05-23-2009, 07:48 AM: Message edited by: shimmy ]
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
The homozon by itself can be used as a colon cleanse. just make sure that you "fire" it with 1/4-1/2 lemon juice immediately after you take the homozon
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I'm going to research cortisol & adrenals in connection to the liver today - if I get a chance...
Shimmy - I don't have time to watch TV anymore. I like to listen to the radio or download podcasts from the internet. There are so many podcasts on interesting subjects you can get for free!
I can also get DVDs from the library or a video store...
I find that since I gave it up - when I do watch it, I can see how manipulative it is. The radio is, too - to some degree but TV is really bad since you get the images, sound, audio, story, neuro linguistic programming & whatever brainwashing frequencies they have underlying all of it.
Get some hobbies to replace the TV or read a book. It took up so much of my time before since I was ill & didn't want to think about anything. It really is a big tranquilizer.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
I have also drastically cut down on the bombardment of negativity via media. I used to just watch a ton of tv cuz it was the easiest thing to do with physical & mental fatigue, but now I'd rather go to a park and go through a deliberate creation process. I find that even if I have the worst brain fog, I'm still capable of meditating, saying what I want, and repeating that until I feel the vibrations of what I want resonate through my body.
IF im' watching tv, it's movies that I PICK, not those that are fed. IF i'm reading, it's books that I pick & match my point of attraction.
I haven't had a single day of depression in over a month. Before then, I was dealing with it almost on a nightly basis as soon as my head hit the pillow and the distractions were gone.
Shimmy--I would be very interested in the RNA product that helps the adrenals. Please keep us updated on that if you dont mind.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
PS - Bob- this parasite killing project is a long term thing... I have been feeling fatigued & a bit nauseous from doing it. I'm not sure if you are doing this but it may be why you are feeling fatigued.
I don't mean to be posting too much info but parasites are gross. If we don't share this than we can't learn... I'm passing at least 1 big liver fluke a day plus what looks like pieces of flukes.
The liver flukes are black & about a inch or 3/4" long. They look kind of like leeches. This means it was drinking my blood & turned black. The smaller pieces are red. I can't believe that these were in my liver along with all of the gall stones I passed. No wonder I was so ill!
I have also been seeing small white thread-like things, too. I'm not sure what these are but I'm looking into it. I'm just posting this so you will all know that these are not uncommon.
I had no idea after all these years of seeing doctors that I had anything like this in my body!
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
curious..did most start passing parasites their first go-around on humaworm? So far I haven't seen anything, and before humaworm I'd done various other parasite cleanses that weren't as strong.
Nothing but gallstones with the liver flush either.
Not only that but nothing came up with energetic testing either. Lab testing as mentioned earlier is
I'm curious if it will show as I do more rounds of humaworm, or if I'm just one of those that doesn't have a huge parasite problem. my energetic doc says she doesn't agree with Hulda Clark on the ubiquity of parasites.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I didn't see any parasite-like things until my 3rd liver flush... Some can be in various forms or microscopic.
I had something strange looking, floating in the bowl. It kind of freaked me out since it didn't look like anything recognizable. The guy at the Humaworm Curezone forum identified it. It was some phase of development of a liver fluke.
Since I started taking the herbs (not Humaworm - I couldn't wait for mail order so I bought some product at the vitamin store) - I have seen flukes & pieces of flukes in the toilet.
You may not notice a parasite unless you really get into it & explore... if you know what I mean.
At this point, I would assume the parasites are fairly prevalent... I think Dr. Clark is correct but you don't have to get paranoid or obsessive about it. It's just a fact of life.
If you have eaten sushi, pork, swam in a lake, walked barefoot, got a mosquito bite, cleaned out a cat litter box, etc. - you can get a parasite. Some people feel Lyme is more of a parasite than a bacteria...
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I passed parasites on garlic. I was not on it long before they came out.. in nests, bundles together some of them.
They were about an inch and half long, thin, almost translucent. Not scary in any way.. just dead debris. I had one that was teardrop shaped. It was obvious these were not food fibers.
Of course none of my doctors believed me.
A friend of mine was doing Dr Natura and got what she called a sting of christmas lights.. or seaweed.. the kind with the pods.. she figured t was the muculoid (however that is spelled) and possibly that some parasites had encased themselves in the pods.
She also had black little stick like things come out of her skin when she took an epsom salt bath.. she watched them come out of her skin. The got one and put it under a microscope.. I saw it..
You know how a bottle brush looks when the bristles are bent back as in the bottle? Thats how it looked. You could see the stick body with the "bristles" attached and shiftd backwards. It was dead of course.. so they were probably swimmers.
Dr Natura.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I stopped the HH capsules and I think the scrape me off the floor depression could be gone.. knock on wood.. and does HH get more than bart because zyto did not see that as a stressor and no positive blood test.
Did you all see this on Connie's blog? Treating allgergies with bionic:
Yes.. a stick and you explore, Sparkle. Thats the way to go. It also is fun to compare notes with a friend who is also purging. :-D
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
The 2 she recommends are RN13 and something else called nebenniererindenextrakt, if you do a search for RN13 on the site you will find it tho you will have to google translate. I'm not sure about the other one, I cant seem to find it. I think they might be glandular injections but I need to clarify this with her ... they might be as they are in mls and she does recommend injections for weak adrenals.
Anyway if I find out more info or start to use them myself I will definitely post.
Cheers for the advice Sparkle I do do all that, have hobbies read tons but still end up switching the tv on .. tho try to watch mostly uplifting or educational stuff like comedies & documentaries..
talking of which I watched The Living Matrix yesterday thnx for recommending it Joey, or whoever else did ... really interesting. I was really intrigued by Eric Pearl and have found out that there are some practitioners near me who have trained under him so going to check it out and have a few sessions to see if it helps.. will keep you posted.
cheers guys :-)
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Hypoadrenocorticism rarely exists without involvement of other glands and organs. The liver must detoxify each and every substance in the body.
This includes not only medications and drugs, but also hormones produced by your own body. Thus the effectiveness of the adrenal in part depends on the efficiency of the liver.
The laboratory tests commonly called "liver function tests" in fact do not tell how the liver is functioning but rather only tell if the liver is inflamed or injured.
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shimmy - I think watching TV makes us feel connected to the world at large. It's kind of a drug... I know what you mean.
I moved, so - I physically don't have the cable connected (which is how it is in the US). I tried to get the local stations but they wouldn't come in for some reason. So, I just get DVDs if I want to see something.
It was weird at first but I'm used to it now. I mostly missed the news & weather. I can listen to NPR or the BBC on the computer, though.
Now, when I watch it - I see how manipulative it is. Even the history & science shows! It all seems geared towards thought/mind control. Alot of things are - like movies... What can you do?
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Hi Sparkle
I was listening to an interesting interview with Steven Jacobson on the Conscious Media Network radio earlier...maybe you heard it already but hes talking about this very subject..
Yes I agree with you its all about being controlled by the big corporations and their agenda... Chomsky has been writing about this for yrs hasnt he.
Apart from political propaganda, medical advice progs really get my goat because you know its all biased towards the pharmaceuticals.
Well at least we are aware of it I guess..
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks Shimmy - I'll check it out later...
We really do have to be more selective about what we watch or listen to.
I can't believe the stuff that in the media these days. Movies, radio, news, tv shows.... even when I go into Walmart - I see death head patterns on kids clothing. It all gets taken into the subconscious.
Stuff people take their kids to see in the movies would have been considered XXX rated when I was growing up - & not just for sex, it's the violence & graphic depictions of gore...
They seem to have gotten more graphic about violence even when I listen to NPR or the BBC.
Sorry to get so off topic of the PE1... It all seems to be working together in my mind. It can't be healthy for kids to be watching this stuff or adults for that matter.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Well.. NMT therpaist cleared my emotional "herx" in about 2 hours. it was unreal. She said I had triggered old trauma and she worked on that pathway.
I also had stopped HH, cumanda and OLE.. so?? but.. had my session, took a nap and I was all better after being close to catatonic at times. It was scary. The last herb I dropped was OLE which I am starting back, so we shall see.
I tested for retro virus HTLV and EBV with the zyto and general retro, EBV and Zoster with muscle testing. Tested to start Brucella series in a month.. ??
I have been so tempted to use my lightworks on my back where the inflammation is on my spinal column area (on nogier).. but I am taking retrovirus homeopathics which I tested for.. not a good idea, right?
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
What if we had a photon therapy thread just for photon accounts and then a photon therapy discussion for issues like we have been "off topic" on?
Hard to draw the line sometimes though.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Very glad to hear your depressive situation was zapped, R62 - pretty amazing.
I know this thread is getting pretty huge.... but I guess I don't like the idea of having two threads to keep track of. My only thought is that maybe we (or Selma when she gets back from vacation) could start a new PE-1 thread, ``Part Two'' or something. It would be a continuation of the discussion here, but it would prevent this thread from getting any longer.
Wow. I'm actually envious of those who are getting parasites out of their `innards'. I SO wish I could do a decent cleanse right now...... I remember how good it can feel afterwards.
Sparkle, I don't know a thing about the Frequency Foundation..... I was tracking down something else when I stumbled across that blurb and just found it to be an interesting idea.....
If I don't watch or listen to some news, I feel like I'm intentionally putting myself in a vulnerable position. But if I had only NPR to listen to, I would probably shoot myself. One hour of that and I'm ready to go commit violence against some inanimate object. But I have the same reaction to most mainstream news sources, as well. I prefer to listen to news programs that are up front about any `opinions' given, rather than the insidious, subtle slants of so-called `news' reporters.
There has to be some way to care about what happens in the world without taking the consequences into our bodies! But I haven't much of a clue how to do that. I don't know how to compartmentalize and sequester strong feelings. And that translates into stress on my system.
Re adrenal issues: I did the hydrocortisone therapy for awhile years ago..... it was the wrong time to try it, probably - a horribly stressful period for me. The hydrocortisone prevented me from sleeping, no matter when I took it. Things are different now, so who knows.
But what are the consequences of hydrocortisone therapy when you have chronic infections? Do we really know? What Shimmy said sort of confirms my fears about it. I've wondered the exact same thing in my case.
To make matters worse, I was on topical steroids twice a day for like 3 years back in the early 1980s..... I didn't know any better. It was after getting off that when I started having lots of symptoms. So, I no doubt suppressed my immune system during that entire period..... NOT GOOD.
Re Crotalus Horridus and Babs: In the FWIW department, my rookie-dowsing with my bottle of Crot-h 200C indicates that Crotalus Horridus is a good remedy for Babs treatment, in both humans and dogs, but the 200C potency is not always appropriate (no big surprise there).
Re my heart issues: I'm still having too many palpitations, so I made up a 12C remedy of the Alpha Lipoic Acid (the substance that I think started the problem)..... but I'm not taking it yet. I'm taking something else right now for my L heel in lieu of taking anti-inflammatories (Ruta 30C). I'm in physical therapy for a possible micro-tearing and inflammation of my Achilles tendon in my L heel (they've used electro-stem therapies and some other `magnetic' stuff on me, which I think it may be messing with my dowsing, incidentally).
Speaking of PT, my physical therapist says he's not entirely sold on infra-red therapy to help `speed healing', as he put it. He hasn't seen enough information about what really happens with infrared therapy. The claims in the physical therapy world are that it helps to `speed' healing, but he says he wonders if that is even possible or if it's a good idea. Time is part of the healing process. So, he's taking a `wait and see' approach. (I was hoping to get some infrared therapy to see how it worked on my injury.)
This is long.... I'll make a second post about some thoughts on photon therapy at this point.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Re the Bionic 880/photon and nosode treatments: Sparkle, you mentioned awhile back that reports on the treatment indicate that maybe it isn't a `full cure'..... that maybe it has to be used more or for longer.
Based on what I read on this board and some of the Bionic-user blogs, I have to agree that it doesn't seem to be a `cure' of anything. It's a `treatment' and may aid in dealing with Lyme (and other issues), but it isn't a stand-alone resolution of any disorder, even with using nosodes. Even those that had great initial results and continued to use the Bionic 880 at home for Lyme and other infections..... most found that they `regressed' at some point.
If anybody remembers what I wrote about nosodes awhile back, this really should not be a big surprise.
I was HOPING that maybe adding photons to nosodes would change something in the personal terrain of each patient so that the nosodes would become more `universal' in dealing with infections in various individuals.
But what I think now is that photons act more like an AMPLIFIER - or perhaps an accelerator - than anything else. They may increase the effect of the nosodes, but they are still just nosodes.
Nosodes have never been found to cure any chronic illness or infection, though they can be important adjuncts to OTHER appropriate homeopathic remedies in a case, but rarely do the job themselves. If they did, Classical Homeopathy would be all about nosodes. But it isn't. Nosodes are limited by their very nature. (Autonosodes are a bit different, but still fall into the nosode category.)
Here's what I've seen happen most often when reviewing homeopathic cases of chronic illness using the Classical approach:
1. An initial remedy(ies) is given, based on `the totality of symptoms' (which may or may not be the `constitutional' remedy for the person, i.e., one that fits both the personality and the physical complaints and tendencies);
2. If traditional remedies fail to act, or the person stops responding to a remedy that was working, or if the person gets nearly well but relapses, then a nosode (or sometimes an autonosode) is introduced;
3. After the action of the nosode is exhausted or it has done all it can do, then either the original remedies are given again, which now work, or the case is re-taken based on the current symptoms and a new remedy given;
4. Once the person is well or appears `cured', then a miasmatic remedy(ies) is sometimes given to alter the inherited and acquired susceptibilities that created the problem in the first place. (Sometimes treatment of underlying miasms is covered in the constitutional remedy or even by the nosode used, but not always.)
I don't think this `order' is set in stone, but these are the elements of treatment that I've seen used. So, my thinking here is that - at some point - traditional remedies MUST BE administered in order to treat the person + the disease. Even with photons, I'm not sure there is any way around it. I think photons open the communication pathways, but nosodes don't provide information about the PERSON for a complete eradication of an infection.
What I would LOVE to read about is someone who used photons with their constitutional remedy..... I would expect amazing things to happen, but no way to predict that.
That's my assessment at this point.....
More importantly, for those who have used photon devices, particularly with nosodes, what conclusions have you come to (if any)? What are your thoughts at this point?
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Tracy, what a great question.
I find that nosodes with biophotons are extremely effective in helping my immune system target and knock back or eradicate specific pathogens I treat for.
So with this therapy the degree of success depends on how you define the goal.
If the goal is to kill off most or all of my lyme and co-infections then it has been a huge success for me.
If the goal is to use this therapy to create total health, then it is a failure, in my opinion.
I believe I have sucessfully treated Borrelia Burgdorferi, Borrellia Garinii, Lyme and Viral Meningitis, whatever might have been left of Bartonella, TB in the eye and kidney, mycosporidia, Klebsiella Pneumonia, Strep Pneumonia, and several strains of fungals and mold. all with nosodes and biophotons.
I'm currently working on Babesia and other assorted molds and fungals.
Then there is the question about why my system was susceptible to all these pathogens in the first place, and how to remedy those issues.
I believe it had to do with a whole variety of things:
Antibiotics for ear infections as a child, that ruined my adult teeth, my gut, and my flora Mercury amalgams in every molar Root canal that went bad and untreated for years Serious spinal injury as a teen-ager Emotional abandonment issues preventing me from wanting to be fully alive in my body Lack of emotional an family support A competitive nature that kept me constantly running without rest Inadequate nutrition - running a marathon on a vegetarian pasta diet A baby who didn't sleep for more than two hours at a time for more than a year
Top this off with congested drainage systems from handling so much crap, And the result of allergies and sensitivities to all kinds of things my body won't recognize appropriately
I can kill off pathogens, but without remedying the above, I'll just make room for more.
Nosodes with photons are working for me along with:
Good nutrition and supplements Flora replacement Parasite removal Good homeopathic and herbal drainage Removal of mercury amalgams, and pathogen clearing Removal of toxins and molds from my home A full course in corrective chiropractic Bach flower remedies and emotional support Allergy and senstivity treatment Adrenal Support
I also think there is quite a bit possible with classical miasm treatment, but have not ventured there yet, so couldn't say if photons make them stronger.
I can say that with Back Flower Remedies, the light does not seem to make a difference one way or another. I can take them with or without the light. They seem to work at about the same pace either way for me.
[ 05-28-2009, 04:43 PM: Message edited by: bejoy ]
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I think the statements made by GiGi that use of infrared light was a panacea where extremely misleading & even damaging.
I haven't used the LightWorks in quite some time due to the fact that my main issue right now is liver flukes.
I have heard that quite a few people have overtreated with infrared light & caused damage to their system. We do need to proceed with caution with this form of treatment.
I believe it is very helpful but not a miracle cure. We are all individual & need different treatments. The testing - especially the standard lab tests - is very poor. The energetic testing may be better but it's still not 100%. So, we just have to be careful.
If my main health problem has been liver flukes all of this time - I took alot of treatments that were totally off base. I'm not even sure I really had Lyme all of these years.
So, it's tricky. Just be careful & don't over do it in case you are treating the wrong thing or in case you don't know what may happen from too much infrared light.
There are many studies that suggest that infrared light is safe. I've read exposure to other colors may be damaging but infrared is pretty safe.
Just be cautious, though. We really don't know. Medicine is very individual. One person may respond well to a given drug or supplement & another might die.
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
> But what are the consequences of hydrocortisone therapy when you have chronic infections? Do we really know? What Shimmy said sort of confirms my fears about it. I've wondered the exact same thing in my case.
Hi Tracy
I think if you test low it is ok to take h/c as long as you take it alongside treatment for the infections (I know some LLMDs prescribe it) ... cortisol (& thyroid hormone) is absolutely necessary to help the body fight off infections (see Safe Uses of Cortisol by Jefferies) as long as the dose is not pharmacological... tho there are debates as to what is generally considered a physiological dose ... a lot of people say up to 20mg is ok (based on Jefferies' work - tho he used cortisone acetate which is weaker than h/c).. but I know in one study over 10mg h/c was found to have an immunosuppressive effect in a study of CFS patients.
I took betwen 10-15mg for 6 months and went up to 20mg for 10 days and I do feel it was immunosuppressive in my case as I had a terribly hard time weaning off tho like you I was under some stress at the time which didnt help.
However in my case I did not know that I had lyme at the time so I was obviously not under any treatment for that, which would have made a difference. I was taking h/c for support as I was chelating & I had actually tested high for both cortisol & DHEA but took it anyway due to my CFS symptoms ... so I dont really know if I truly needed it or not. Perhaps if I had just taken measures to treat high cortisol this would have been enough..
So I dont want to put anyone off taking h/c because of what happened to me. I suspect that when I did take it tho my adrenals were pretty much on the edge and taking it shut down the HPA feedback loop pretty early on..
I have just had my CD57 results back and it is pretty low - 22 and and I do suspect that this might be due to my low cortisol levels (and low thyroid) as I am not responding to all the photon therapy I have had done ... so now wondering again if I need to go back on h/c but still pursuing alternative adrenal support for now.
Bejoy I love the Bach flower remedies! I have used them for yrs, and I really like the Bush flower remedies too.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
I've been reading other posts about what "the real answer" is or isn't. I think it still depends on the "real question."
I think we need to differentiate between Borrelia Bugdorferi, and Lyme Disease, and dis-ease in general.
Bb is one bacteria. Seems to me that photons and nosodes are working to get it to back off and go away. Every report I've read so far confirms it.
Lyme DISEASE is something deeper than that one bacteria. It includes numerous co-infections, toxin buildup, and a predisposition for disease, whether genetic, miasmic, or life-style oriented.
Find me somebody who is free of all "dis-ease", medical, emotional, and social. I'll beg to go spend a week with them, and bask in the presence of that Bodisatva.
I'll want to know how they eat and sleep and dream and play, so I can emulate. But I won't want to give up my coffee.
We're on a rock hurtling through space around a ball of fire at 67,000 miles per hour, and we're all going to die.
I hope to live as well as I can before I crash six feet into the earth myself.
I don't expect to heal from all dis-ease in my lifetime, and ascend as a fully actualized being.
But it would be nice, and I haven't given up trying.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Dear all, I'm writing from an airport terminal in South Korea...
I will try to read everything I missed these last weeks when I'm back home.
I've been about 2 weeks WITHOUT any photon therapy and almost the same amount of time without ANY killers. I left my PE1 with my daughter in Europe. It seems she hasn't needed it either.
My malaria stopped testing fast after doing reflex massages on liver, where it was hidden. Cloves and cardamon was all I needed. I'm still doing reflex massages there as the point is still in pain.
I may consider doing some type of parasite cleanse even though my tests say no for herbs contained in the humanworm formula for a few weeks.
It's been days without any clenasers as where I am, people eat so spicy and fermented that my body is not wanting any enzymes (even rechrsregulat tests as 'cant take'). I'm eating seaweeds in big amounts and realized that I test negative for chlrorella too!
I mean, I test as 'cant take chlorella' which is different that 'no need'. If I test 'no need' but test 'can take' I usually take chlorella.
But I'm testing 'cant take' for both chlorella AND rechts and all other cleansing stuff, thai ginseng, and all other things I was taking...
This is VERY interesting. I'm on HIGH consumption of sea food (either through raw fish) or cooked ones. Almost no cow or pork, no chicken either. So basically on carbs, veggies (loads of mushrooms), fermented foods and sea foods (ALL IMAGINABLE types)...
I thought I would CRAVE chlorella as sea products are conaminated, but that doesn't seem to be the case...
People here love garlic and onions, so I'm eating them too usually raw, but sometimes cooked...
It's a funny experience. People in general look very healthy and I see that, compared to Japan, people here look much better.
People hide from the sun as to have a clear skin is sign of beauty... Funny too.
I'm going to make a test and purchase some packages of dried sea weed (the ones used in sushi, makizushi) and try to compare these with chlorella. Not for myself, as I love chlorella, but for other people reading the thread that find chlorella much too expensive.
Let's see how it goes...
As for allergies, I've been also very surprised it is possible to get rid of them through balancing the body, using YOUR OWN saliva as a start point! It's not a fast treatment, like the AI, but it worths doing it, I think.
I wonder if this is not THE REASON (being allergy free from toxins, metals...) why my body started flushing these metals out? it's like storage places get open, metals get flushed out, then some bacteries or fungi get activated (as I suppose they were hiding there)....
Then you just kill the bacteries or fungi, and a problematic point stops to be problematic.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I've been walking up and down the hills in South Korea, that is extremely hilly. Under strong winds but no rain.
And 2 supplements test: CGF chorella and my magnesium from Sanum... I take these on and off, just once a day. Amazing. Ah, and my saliva product early morning, round 5 (I think?).
I thought it was not possible that these saliva products would kill, but they test as killing SOMETIMES. After malaria went dormant, i got candida albicans testing (probably from the die off of malaria?), without symptoms. they tested in my GI tract.
But a new saliva product tested as enough to get rid of it. So I didn't take anything else against it this time. Specially because all my Sanum are at home, not here. Now no more candida testing.
No fatigue during the trip except for what's expected (as after 6-7 hours standing and walking, it is normal...). And first days of jet lag... as it's 7 hours of difference.
No pains either...
I don't know when I will need my borrelia through photons again, but it just ocurred to me that I could do a photon treatment before it tests? Just an idea I had recently...
Photons work great on borrelia, agree with Bejoy, but not on malaria. It works great on some bacteries, some fungi - candida, and on most viruses (?).
If I suspect any flu symptom (or cold symptom) after taking so many airplanes, I will certainly just collect some running nose samples, make a mother tincture with it with vodka or whatever I have in hands, and test for either PHOTOONING the homeopathic solution OR ingesting, spraying on my nose and throat.
I suspect that photons work VERY well on viruses. No need to panick with the actual swine flu, I suppose...
I feel like photons and homeopathy are a powerful gun against many pathogens (but not all, that is SURE)!
Some candida respond very well to photons ONLY, even. But with nosodes AND L-forms nosodes from candida, these critters have not much chance...
Have a nice weekend you all.
Mine will be hell inside airplanes and car...
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Great to hear from you Selma, and interesting to know how you are faring and what you are taking on your trip. Have a safe journey home.
Thanks for the further explanation, Shimmy. Like you, I had no idea that Lyme was part of the picture when I did the hydrocortisone protocol, nor the steroid cream. Your logic about all of this makes sense to me, and I don't want to prejudge the use of h/c either. At least until the body can (hopefully) get regulated on its own.
Thank you, bejoy - excellent points. There does need to be differentiation between ``Lyme Disease'' and whatever Borrelia strain(s) is involved - I even hate to call it Borrelia burgdorferi, since there are other strains that might be in play. And then there's dis-ease, in general.
And I need to clarify one other thing.... In my previous post, I said: ``at some point - traditional remedies MUST BE administered in order to treat the person + the disease.''
This is strictly from observation of Classical Homeopathy. Please, don't anyone construe this to mean that I believe that homeopathics are the ONLY way to treat ``the person + the disease''. I simply don't have a ready `model' to study that combines homeopathics and other modes of adjunctive treatment, whether its photons, herbs, acupuncture, or Rife, etc..... I'm simply supplying some info on the homeopathic side of things, perhaps so we can all better understand what to expect from photons + nosodes/ homeopathics.
So, it seems the nosodes + photons is great for knocking back some critical infectious organisms. But it doesn't mean they won't resurface.... they aren't eradicated, but they aren't operating at a level that causes dis-ease. Would that be a fair statement?
I love your list of what may have been `precipitating' events leading up to chronic illness/infections, and I think it is right on target. In each of us, a `perfect storm' was created as certain factors all came together to create our individual `imbalances'.
My list would have similar entries..... and I would list one other thing that maybe nobody else would think of:
Years and years of suppressing underarm perspiration with a high-powered antiperspirant (Mitchum). Unfortunately, it worked great.
Homeopathic literature is absolutely full of entries like `effects of suppressed sweat' or `as a result of suppressed foot sweat' as a causation for many, many complaints and states of illness. Obviously, suppression of perspiration blocks a natural path of detoxification, so it makes SO much sense. (BTW, I always wondered how you suppress foot sweat, especially back in the 1800's. I think it was with various powders.)
Anybody else use antiperspirants?
Sparkle, Gigi herself got the wrong impression about the Bionic 880 treatment. She construed `cured of Borrelia' to mean `cured of Lyme'. Dr. W's claims to cure Lyme were true, to the extent that his treatment eliminated certain strains of Borrelia known to cause Lyme. That's why his `Lyme cure' rate was so high. But that wasn't understood until later. It's an easy misinterpretation to make on anybody's part. The language barrier didn't help matters. The prevalence of co-infections in the USA didn't help either - Dr. W. didn't anticipate that. I think he was quite confounded when he encountered USA patients. I don't blame anyone.
Sparkle, I think your experience with the liver cleanse, the discovery of the flukes and maybe other critters has been very eye-opening for all of us. As you pointed out, this could have been a MAJOR problem for you all this time, and the infections simply piled on top of it. (I do suspect you have infections, but dealing with the parasite issue may make the infections much less problematic.) Thanks for allowing me to learn from your experience.
In fact, thanks to everyone for the same reason.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Selma, so good to hear from you again!
Interesting about the seaweed. My chiro gave me Alaria seaweed in capsules to prevent hepatic re-uptake (instead of cholestyramine.) It makes sense that this would also lower cholesterol.
I decided to eat similar seaweed rather than buying so many capsules. My family LOVES it! They can't get enough.
I wonder what it is about malaria that doesn't respond to light and nosodes for you. I think babesia is responding for me, but hard to tell for sure yet. I'll have to ask a few more questions. Finally I can trust my testing again most of the time, since the mycotoxin load is down.
I need to learn how the tapping Selma does to open regulation when the toxins get high.
Tracy, good points about the initial claims regarding the Bionic treatment. Yes, it kills Bb very well with the right nosodes, but doesn't cure the whole disease. The confusion is understandable.
I'm inspired to do a liver cleanse and some of Selma's saliva preparations. It will be about another week for me until I add something new.
I'm still hitting the molds and mycotoxins from the air sample, but they test as probably just one more treatment. Then I'll need to go hunting for more strains to treat, and some more lower GI support as those symptoms are back.
I'm thinking I'll probably do an Asyra reading to work off of, since the computer has so many things programmed in.
I need to do a major leaky gut reconstruction. I think that's my main issue now, after years of candida and other fungals, popping Ibuprophen, hydrocortizone, some antibiotics, and loads of coffee.
Now finally, I am looking at Sanum for milieu adjustment.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I don't mean to bash anyone but some people have a powerful sway over others since they seem to be well informed. It's just that we are all very different & there is no "one size fits all" treatment.
Someone PMed me & said that a number of people who bought the Bionic 880 over treated themselves & ended up quite ill from it. I don't want to say too much since it was a private message.
I just would like people to know that over treatment with infrared light can be dangerous. It's a great new modality but it's not a cure all. Treating more or longer may not necessarily be the best thing for everyone to do.
This is why I am posting that this treatment must be used with caution. GiGi knows alot but she's not a physician. Her advice & info are interesting but I don't believe anyone should be blindly followed. We are all very different. It made matters worse since she was getting a profit from sales of the Bionic 880.
I just would like to be clear about this. Playing around with infrared light is not a good idea. People have PMed me who have gotten ill from it.
I'm not against it but you have to be careful whether it's the LightWorks, PE1 or the Bionic 880 or some other device. I am not against experimenting with this - just be cautious.
Posted by Looking (Member # 13600) on :
Sparkle, in my opinion, you do come across as bashing Gigi (your choice of words) and you have done this several times in the past. This does not reflect positively on you, it just comes across that you have some personal beef you are putting out here against Gigi.
If you think people need to be careful with light therapy, than say that. Gigi is not responsible for people experimenting on themselves and neither are you although you posted much information on the LightWorks.
We all need to proceed cautiously whatever new therapy we try and take personal responsibility for our choices.
Sparkle, you are not a doctor either are you? And yet you liberally dispense advice -- I look at you as one of the influential people on this board due to the amount of posts you make.
I don't blindly follow anyone on this board and I don't believe most people here do. I see it as everyone being kind enough to share experiences and I am glad to see people following up with info on their various treatments as time goes by so we all can see how it plays out -- good or bad. This may be how we will in time hopefully find new treatments that will be appropriate for our needs.
I apprectiate everyone's effort to share what they are doing and hope they feel free to continue to do so.
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
Thank you, Looking, for your very wise post: we must all feel free to post any changes in our views of therapies we may have previously been enthusiastic about, otherwise we are misleading others simply to 'save face'.
As you say, ultimately we are all responsible for our own research and choices of treatment; ideed we are all perforce sharing a huge learning curve about a devastating illness: let's not waste energy and emotion seeking to blame other people for our decisions To do so means that we put people off posting potentially useful experience, good or bad,
Carry
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Looking - I never tell anyone what to do. I only write about what I do & what I find out. GiGi really insulted me on a number of occasions. I mean REALLY kicked me where it hurts at a time I was going through alot of emotional pain, as well as illness.
I believe she did this to discredit me since she was selling a product & it cut into her profits. I was trying to relate that there other approaches to using infrared light & posted my experiments on myself.
As it turns out, she was making money off of people buying a product she was endorsing. Many people were hurt by this.
I'm not selling anything & I don't care if people want to listen to what I say. I do feel what people have told me is very important since some people were mislead into thinking that infrared light is a cure all.
People have very recently PMed me about this & I'd like to keep them out of it since it was private. I do think it's important that people know that some people have gotten very ill by using the Bionic 880 at home on their own.
I'm sorry if my position is offensive to you. I'm just trying to let people know that there are dangers of using infrared light. I have expressed this in the past & I want to express this again to save people from being hurt or making themselves ill.
From what I understand, GiGi is no longer using the device that she told people to do everything that they could to buy - including bagging groceries to make money to afford it.
That's all I care to say about this. I'm just stating what happened. I didn't make it up. Aside from my own feelings, it was a betrayal of people's trust. If you don't feel that way, it's your prerogative.
I'm not making money from endorsing products. I'm just looking for a way to get well & sharing my experiences.
Posted by Looking (Member # 13600) on :
Well, Sparkle, you've insulted Gigi back too and seem to feel justified about it. I wish for your own sake you would just move on, it is appearing a bit obsessive.
You can try to say you are saving people but if that's the case I haven't seen anyone post saying they have been saved by you.
I would like to see you post your own viewpoints & experiences without inserting "Gigi" in there somewhere. It just detracts from any useful info you are trying to share.
You did suggest above to Selma that she do a parasite cleanse and yet you are not a doctor. That is more than just sharing your experience. Are you then responsible if she has a bad reaction to your suggestion? No different than someone saying I suggest you use the Bionic 880.
quote "Selma, I would suggest that you do a good parasite cleanse before doing the liver flush. Hulda Clark has lots of info about it."quote
Sparkle, you have interesting things to say and I would like to hear them without you bringing up Gigi again & again. A lot of bitterness is coming across to me. If Gigi is no longer recommending a device you say she is making money off of, then she sure is a lousy salesman.
I believe your energy is better spent fighting lyme not other posters. This can affect your healing & I certainly wish you the best in that regard.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
A note about my experience with amount of time spent with photons.
At first I was testing as being able to use the Lightorks for only a matter of seconds at a time. Under a minute. As time went on it turned into minutes and the minutes turned into an hour. When it got to two hours I bought the PE-1.
Now I test for using the PE-1 on level 8-10 for under 8 minutes. Now light from Lightworks feels like a child's toy, compared to when I first started and a minute was too much.
Based on some reports I recall reading, I believe the PE-1 might be stronger than the Bionic. I'd love to compare some day, given the opportunity.
Everyone is different. I believe I read somebody say he used the PE-1 for hours a day and got well doing it.
Most of my photon time has been with nosodes. Timing may be very different without them.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I'm not sure what kind of ax you have to grind in all of this, Looking. I'm not sure where you are going with this...
I'm sorry you have an issue with my opinions. Maybe you should just scroll on by if you find my comments distasteful.
I'm not getting a commission for selling anything. It has been disclosed that GiGi was. It's not a myth or fabrication. Isn't it enough to know that?
People here have made suggestions to me in friendliness because they care that I may like to try them. I can decide if I'd like to do them or not. I have some familiarity with Selma. She has communicated to me many times.
If she would like to follow my suggestion, it good. If not, that fine, too. She's a grown up & can make up her own mind.
I do take offense that people here misrepresent themselves. They seem to be offering their experiences but are only trying to make some money.
I'm not really sure why you would want to defend GiGi. She clearly violated the trust of some of the people who post here. I have a very good reason why I'm bringing this up. People are getting ill from over-use of the Bionic 880.
Some people may do well with it & it might not effect them but some do get ill from overusing infrared light. I believe it is a useful tool but one must take precautions.
Since I posted my experience with the LightWorks, I'm trying to be responsible & say that if you use these tools or devices - you really need to be careful.
I'm not just going to post that this is a cure all & then crawl into the woodwork & not say that there are dangers just to protect my ego. I can't ignore it when people PM me & say that the infrared light has made them ill.
It has made me ill on occasions. That's why I'm not using it right now. I was using the LightWorks which was about 8 times less strong than the Bionic 880. If the LightWorks can make people ill - what do you think something that is 8 times stronger will do?
The PE 1 also fits into this category. It is about the same strength of the Bionic 880 (or it may be stronger as bejoy suggested). People can start off feeling better by using these tools but it can change very quickly.
All of the sudden, people have told me that they ended up in the ER. Others, don't seem to feel a thing & it does nothing. So, this technology is unpredictable.
I can't have a clear conscience & not say anything about it. It does have something to do with GiGi because she has not shared with us the long term implications of using these devices. She's the one who started us all into researching the use of infrared technology.
She feels comfortable enough to post on the AI thread. Why doesn't she tell us about her experience with the Bionic 880? There must be a reason why it's collecting dust in her garage.
This is important to know. GiGi has used this technology longer than most of us here. We really need to know if there are dangers.
I have heard that people have gotten ill from using this technology but they don't want to post it here for whatever reasons. Maybe they are afraid of ridicule or getting emotionally involved in defending their reasons...? I don't know.
If this is all not true, fine... but if it is - it's really important that we know about it. Maybe people are PMing me to start rumors? I don't know. All I know is that the infrared light can be very strong & it can make you ill if you aren't careful - even if you have been to see Dr. W or have a practitioner.
Posted by Looking (Member # 13600) on :
Carry: Thanks for your post, I also wish to know if anyone changes their opinion on treatment as they go along.
Bejoy: The info you shared on light tolerance increasing over time is very interesting, thanks for the update.
Sparkle: You are just repeating once again what you already said before -- I don't understand why you feel that's necessary. My point is let's move forward with this discussion on light. There is no lyme treatment that I have heard of at this time that is without it's drawbacks. People will get ill with overuse (misuse) of any treatment, why should light be any different?
Light therapy may or may not prove to be everything we hope it to be. Time will tell and at this point there are a few here who are sharing their journey with light therapy no matter where it takes them. Some seem to be doing better with it than others, but we see that in other treatments as well.
Maybe the allergie treatments first will be key for some, then photons & nosodes or progurt or even something we haven't heard of yet. It's all still experimental at this time. I believe those reading this thread realize that.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Sparkle your still holding some emotional baggage from GiGi. Looking is quite right, it would be healthier for you to move forward. To do this, consider forgiving GiGi for those slights you've felt in the past. Not because GiGi needs your forgiveness, you should just forgive her for your own health.
In the mean time, think how highly folks see you now. You are a well respected and thought of person within our community and a good friend.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Yes Sparkle. This is turning out to be a bit of a black eye. We're only judgmental of others because we ourselves feel a need to judge.
There is a positive and non-personal way to spin everything you want to say about the bionic. Making things personal only hurts ourselves.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
As kind as Gigi has been to share information over the years as it seems from looking at her standing on lymenet, she did come across harsh to Sparkle and she did to me as well when I was a beginner poster telling me to go do my homework after I had been online for hours searching the archives before I posted.
Hurts are real experiences. And we can hurt ourselves to death as Gregg Braden says.. dying of a broken heart.
When I felt hurt, someone took the time to contact me offlist and validate my experience and that helped tremendously. I am 47 years old and I need validation, yes I do. I am not a perfectly sewn up individual.
Sparkle was treated harshly. She was also right and is right. The bionic is not a cure all. The other photon devices may be at least beneficial or as beneficial expecially when looking at this from an individual standpoint. She is also right that we do not know the effects of the photons over time. (the building up idea makes sense, bejoy but still we do not know over time the effect.. hopefully we can read our bodies and know when enough is enough and that will be enough info)
As for forgiveness. Forgiveness is not letting the other person off the hook or covering up the truth of ones experience. It is walking away from that energy truth and knowing intact and applying compassion first to yourself. It helps if others also do the same. Then sometimes we are able to extend compassion, which is understanding that we are all imperfect, to the other.
Also.. there is a group mentality that takes over when something hopeful is being presented.. right? This bionic trip is what 10-12 thousand and although we are all adults here, we are all kind of vulnerable adults in ways. Thats why it is very important not to "sell" (and I mean that not literally) a therapy. I know most of the time folks are very careful about that.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Hey guys, I'm inviting in PMs people who had bad experiences with infrared light to write me! We do NEED to know how they used, in which conditions, who built the treatment protocol, which device etc.
I wonder why they don't openly post as this is important.
We are ALL wanting to READ more about other people's experiences, no matter what they are. So, please guys and gals, post about your experiences, good or bad! I would like to know, at least!
Water... If you drink too much water, you'll get sick. Same for teas, any teas, too much is no good. WHATEVER you do IMPLY risks. Not to mention taking abx for years. Or ANYTHING ELSE.
As for advice, I'm open to everything. I had denied too many things in the past that proved to be good for me later. Even energetic tests.
But it doesn't mean I will follow the advice. Like most of us here!
Please, IF POSSIBLE, open another thread for parallel personal discussions, IF they bring nothing new but are just repetition. If they bring something new, it's fine though to keep them going on. I'm just suggesting that so that we don't get into uninteresting discussions for too long.
But as for the negative experiences, I'm VERY INTERESTED TO KNOW, as ALL OF US here, I suppose?
Only knowing in detail the conditions of use we'll know HOW does the Bionic or other infrared damaged these people.
Alpha lipoic acid can be miraculous for some, and very bad for others, or taken in bad timing, it could be bad, and taken in another time, wonderful. So is light. So is andrographis. Cumanda. Most chelators. Nosodes taken without light make very little impact, while taken with photons can make a huge impact.
Nosodes taken through light without right cleansers make more damage than good. Same for antibiotics or killer herbs. Parasite killing without proper cleansing, the same. Rife. Metal mobilizers can cause you permanent neuro damage. And so on.
Even taking sun can make some people feel sick, right? So why not infrared? Sunlight has infrared.
We know for sure that FIR saunas can mobilize metals all over, right? So people can actually feel much worse after a sauna. Does it mean FIR sauna is bad? The bad item in the FIR sauna is the infrared then?
Does it mean taking sun is bad in itself?
I don't know how many of you people still suffer from neurolyme, but I feel it's more than clear to me that nothing is 'neutral', nor even water.
In macrobiotic diet, water is bad, only warm teas are seen as good. Cold water is to be avoided and big comsumption of water too.
I don't follow macrobiotic but I saw a woman coming back from the dead only following macrobiotic. So even water consumption is NOT a one-thing-fit-all, good for everyone. At least, this water avoidance for a temporary period seemed to have helped this lady who is still alive today after decades having got cancer.
Probably not even sunlight is, in certain diseases, meaning, probably in some cases, at least temporarily, sun avoidance could be good for some in certain part of their treatment. Who knows Marshall is not totally wrong? I never followed it though and did supplement with Vit. D in my worst times just because it tested so and I felt better on it...
I mean, I hope this is clear by now. That everything from sunlight, water to expensive devices like Rife, KMT, photon devices, everything is not a GOOD x BAD thing.
People on the KPU protocol report feeling bad after it. Does it mean this is bad or good? Is it bad because it makes you feel bad or is it good because it is making you finally detox?
Herxes are good in themselves because it means critters are dying and making you feel miserable? Or herxes are bad because you shouldn't be feeling toxic and overloading all your detox organs?
Unfortunately, feeling good or bad temporarily is just one parameter, in my opinion. It's not a definite answer to if a treatment is good or bad.
I CRAVE for reading other people experiences with photons! And invite you guys to post, so that it will help us all understand the limits or wonders of this mode of treatment.
I feel people here in the thread were quite respectful of each others' experiences. I hope I wasn't intimidating anyone. Please post!!
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
R62, what you say in your post echoes some of my thoughts too. I dont know a lot about what has happened here in the past but in my view and in my experience if someone feels the need to bring something up again and again, it is probably because they havent been or felt 'heard' in the first place. Sometimes a simple acknowledgement of the hurt can do wonders to help a person move on because it validates what has happened.
Ultimately of course as you say we have to manage our own 'energy' in any situation and choose to hold on or not hold on to stuff that hurts us, whether we get what we want from the other person or not.
Welcome back Selma!
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
There is a tendency to see one person as being attacked and then to sweep under the rug all that is being said by the supposed "attacker." And that makes the situation worse.
When intentional people validate experience, they are not taking sides or causing more harm.
I think so...
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
By "positive spin" I didn't mean sugar coating. I just meant not being personal.
I don't believe it it necessary for others to forgive us to forgive others, because that means the quality of our human experience hinges on the word of another. What I do believe is that when we give we shouldn't expect to receive, but rather we give because the act of giving (or forgiving in this case) is purging in itself. If we can't see that, on a macro level how in the world can we ever get better?
We are only in control of ourselves, how we construe others' words & behavior, how much of it we take to heart, our responses to those words. In fact, we are in utter control of all those things, and those are the things we should focus on. To think anything else about being hurt by words is reflective of our reputation, and that is nothing but the ego talking.
If we all learned to just worry about ourselves, much of this back and forth would be nipped at the bud. Unbelievable how much energy we sickies waste trying to diffuse conflict when the power is within ourselves.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Light therapy may only be as effective as how much nitrous oxide is inside our cells and maintaining sufficient levels.
Hopefully Marnie can comment, but I believe our cells use nitrous oxide as the means to defend itself against invaders such as viruses and possibly cyst and l-form bacteria. This was something Marnie mentioned sometime ago. However if LED stimulate nitrous oxide release as a defense mechanism, it gets dispelled, then it needs to be supplemented to ensure sufficient stores.
I now have a suspicion the use of LED or excess sunlight depletes nitrous oxide in the body. So initially you feel well from the LED use then over time you are depleting your stores of it. This can make you feel worse.
I think this might be the link between feeling good or bad from light therapy. In either case having enough nitrous oxide in the body is very important. You can't move dangerous toxins or much of anything else unless our arteries and veins are dilated enough.
It could also explain why many lymies have high levels of ammonia and why are PH values become more acidic.
This may tie two discoveries together to rebuild the body's terrain.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Nitric Oxide metabolism being UPregulated has been implicated in chronic fatigue, both by Dr. David Bell and Martin Pall PhD. When NO combines with superoxide it forms peroxynitrite. NO is a double-edged sword... it can do a lot of good (like bob mentioned about dilation) but it can also lead to a ton of bad (when it increases free radical production).
The key is to keep it in balance.
Bob, if you could kindly explain why you think low NO is tied to excess ammonia, I would appreciate it. From what I understand, there is a combination of the mutation in the CBS enzyme in the transsulfuration pathway that leads to excess ammonia & sulfite production in many of us (which can be a potential explanation for the high H2S just discovered by Dr. Meirleir). Also, ammonia is largely removed via the urea cycle in the liver (80-90% of it) so if the liver isn't functioning optimally, much will be left to endogenous ammonia recirculation. There is also protein catabolism going on since our aerobic metabolism is screwed...which creates more ammonia in the gut (and goes back up to the liver via the portal vein)
Also, there are many explanations for why the pH is high... anaerobic metabolism is sufficient by itself to explain via excess production of lactic acid.
Would love to hear more of your thoughts on this
-joey
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
I guess it would be better to view arginine creating nitric oxide which binds to ammonia creating nitrous oxide, thus removing the ammonia.
So the excess nitrous oxide balance might come from using a combination of arginine with LED therapy.
If we look at this as a cycle, we become more inert due to disease. We create excess ammonia and due to pathological issues our arginine production falls off. Then we have a reduction of nitrous oxide inside our cells making them more susceptible to pathogens.
To reverse the cycle supplement arginine to create more nitrous oxide over time and reduce ammonia load on the body. At the same time use LED therapy to reduce nitrous oxide. At least this is the thought for discussion.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Whatever the situation is - GiGi was saying things about the Bionic 880 that were distorted due to the fact that she was making money from commissions by their sales. This skewed the information in many ways about this mode of healing.
I was experimenting on myself in an attempt to find some form of accuracy about treatment with infrared light. She bashed me without mercy. I'm not a fool & I don't accept it when people walk on me. I don't really care about "forgiveness" & all of that. I don't agree with that theory.
If someone punches you in the face are you supposed to lick their boots? I think it's good & even healthy to get angry in situations that call for it.
That said - there are reasons to not forget the history here. We need the unbiased pros & cons to see if this form of therapy is beneficial. People are tending to post the pros but not the cons.
We were presented with a skewed view of this Bionic 880 or infrared therapy. People are privately contacting me & telling me that people are getting ill. They don't want to post it themselves since they don't have all of the facts, they don't want to deal with the fall out of being ridiculed, etc.
I'm not the only person who was bashed by GiGi. This behavior is not acceptable to me in an open forum where we are supposed to be sharing our experiences to help each other.
It just strikes me as being funny that even after the truth came out that GiGi was making a commission from Bionic 880 sales that people still say how great her advice was. To me, making a commission from ill people here is not a nice thing to do. It's unethical & I thought it wasn't allowed here.
Then, people are saying there's something wrong with me & that I have a problem... I'm not the one who was making a commission. I never lied to anyone about what I was doing or that I had some secret agenda.
I've gotten to know some of you through this forum. I really appreciate your support and care in posting the info that you learn.
I never attacked GiG for the info that she was sharing. I was always considerate of her until she started in on me. I thought she was here to share her info just like the rest of us. As it turns out, she betrayed many people's confidence along with being rude & aggressive to some.
We need to put all of that in perceptive in reviewing the potential of this technology. Some people feel threatened about expressing their experiences. If they didn't, they wouldn't be e-mailing me, privately.
This is not a helpful environment when people feel afraid to say what they are experiencing. We all can learn by what each other shares in mutual respect.
All in all, I am finding that my illness is due to parasites & not Lyme. I will probably be posting less here since I want to spend more time researching how to get rid of parasites.
I'm still going to check in since there are many people here who I have gotten to know & I respect their comments & posts.
Good luck to everyone in finding a way to heal your illnesses.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Best of luck to you Sparkle. On a practical note, try not to think it's just one thing or another. This disease will always be multisystemic. Otherwise we just set ourselves up for disappointment if, say in your case, you clean your body of parasites and you're still not completely well.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I agree with Joey. Killing parasites is on step one for dr. K. It's just the starting of his healing protocol for most of us.
Kill the parasites and the toxicity the parasites will expell back into our bodies will be in the same 'size' as our own toxicity. That's what I believe.
The more toxic we are, the more toxic our parasites and our parasitism will be. By toxic, I mean both chemical toxicity as well as the hundreds of other bacteries, viruses whatever these parasites hold.
Don't be surprised that when the parasitic load fall, you'll get loads of other problems (and infections) to treat.
Maybe you'll be a lucky one that's got only one trouble, and that your parasites are clean not to add any toxic burden back into your body when they finally die, but only time will tell.
As for Gigi, I disagree. She had thousands of posts before on things she couldn't make money from (like the dental treatment advice, being just one example).
If she did a mistake, it doesn't necessarily make all her previous contributions reduced to nothing.
It doesn't mean I will go like taking position Sparkle x Gigi, same type of thinking I posted about this or that lyme treatment being good X bad.
Give needles to an accupuncturist, he can save lives. Give needles to another person, they are just needles, most people will do nothing with them.
People are much bigger than that. Needles are much bigger than mere needles. You are much bigger than that, Sparkle! I respect you for what you are. I thank you for having suggested me to take a look into the PE1.
And I thank Gigi for having saved my life.
I REALLY don't care much about people's limitations. Having survived lyme, I can't pay too much attention to people's limitations or I just can't live my life.
There's too much suffering and loneliness in having a chronic disease for years and if I looked around me, I would easily see only limitations in every one, lack of understanding, compassion. If I look for it, that is what I see and it seems to be all around.
A lyme survivor once sent me something like this, from an Indian sage: don't judge others, just look into your own life, because you just don't know how rough other people's paths are.
I don't see only limitations in people, in diseases, in my body, in treatment alternatives, in needles...
I gotta go now. daughter is calling....
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
The conflict is part of life, Joey, right? It could be a part of how we become more healthy. A tool. And the process of how we all use that tool is very personal.
When I get in a situation with people who are destructive in my mind, I know to move, leave, if I cannot detach from them. I do not always succeed "on time" (and time is an ego word not a spiritual word in that sense) and I get entangled in a mess that I again learn from or not.
If someone elses strong emotions, whether valid or invalid in my mind bothers me, then thats something for me to possibly look at within myself. It goes all ways, you see? Is it you or is it me?
Easier said than done. There are so many layers to emotional health and healing just as there seem to be to our physical healing. What I think is not mine, but someone elses, sometimes is mine, too, or just mine.
Micheal Beckwith, my new favorite author, was just talking (CD) about emotions or "blocks of energy".. I like that term in ways better than "energy block".. he speaks in terms of noticing and accepting, not purging. Purging is an act of violence against yourself. When we notice, accept somehow we lessen the grip.. it is more a releasing.
But what I release and when I do is personal to me. If someone feels and acts in a way that is disruptive or bothersome to me, then I can ask myself what there is in me that feels this way because I cannot change the other person and chances are I cannot even change myself today.
My first instinct is to react and I often do, to see the wrong in the other person and set them straight. Sometimes I am right on and sometimes I put more into the story than is there.
I also beieve it is very important to some more than others to validate the facts. It is for activists. It is for respectable journalists. Its not for my husbandother than .. that happened .. I didnt like it.. I stay away from that person.. end of story and enough for me.
I agree with Sparkle regarding the facts, and I also feel pretty sure there is more to the story. Meaning there is intent and humanity that I can not be privy to because I am only me.
As far as believing in forgiveness, I dont either in a sense if it means denying what I know to be for a fact true. I can listen to the other side if the other side will share. I can bring in their point of view and experience to consider, but forgiveness is really compassion for the human condition of the other and myself is it not? Sometimes its just not time for that to emerge and sometimes it never does and thats ok too. You find your peace with it because thats what you need to do and you do that how you need to do it.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
One more thing. My dentist treated me badly. He grilled me about my medical care.. yes my dentist.. to the point where he made statement like "you are being doctor." He was out of line big time. Hes a good man.
I was in tears. I felt betrayed because i trusted him and blindsided.. I was cornered out of the blue with this. It put me in trauma instantaneously. I had a PTS attack.
NO ONE in that office would admit that what happened was inappropriate.. no one. "He's a good man." "He has good intentions" they said.. almost as if my saying THAT WAS INAPPROPRIATE was wrong. I was wrong not him for saying THAT WAS INAPPROPRIATE.
And it was.
What became of it. I was literally in a post traumatic stress state for days and days. Finally my NMT therapist called for our monthly meeting. She asked how I was, and I told her. She said.. trauma.. I had not thought of that.. she said you felt betrayed? Yes.. later she said matter of factly.. blindsighted.. Yes...
Wow. I had not put it all together like that. She was saying my NEURO HERX was trauma.
She worked the trauma pathway and in 2 HOURS it was released. I COULD NOT DO THAT ON MY OWN. My "herx" was gone.
We reached a working resolution. No admission of "wrong doing" but a clean slate to try again. Sometimes thats all you can get from a person and maybe he will surprise me and offer more. But I dont think I need it today. Me herx has left me thanks to my therapist (strangest thing ever).
If this had happened in a community that I had bonded in where no one could see my side and could only see the other side.. yes he is a good man and has very good intentions, but.. without admitting that he did what he did and it was wrong..
Then that would be much more difficult to reconcile.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
R62--
I appreciate your thoughts. You've done a lot of reading & listening on the emotional aspects of this illness, and I always appreciate your insight.
I think the impression my statements gave was that one should be a pushover and rollover in the face of attacks or insults. That was never what I meant. But I agree with you that we "need to (find peace)"...in any situation really, but especially when we're ill. We simply can't afford to take on the alternative.
By forgive I don't mean one should say "it's ok.. you can do or say whatever you want to me and I should be ok with it" but realize that ultimately we're only in control of ourselves and we need to do the best job we can at that. I don't mean you should deny any wrongdoing..but in spite of the wrongdoing, you have no reason to feel any worse about yourself than you did beforehand. If their words are true, then you learn and live (on). And no, I don't believe "setting the person straight" gives anyone positive energy. The ego sure likes it though.
What I do sense is a consistent bitterness and anger in Sparkle's voice when Gigi is involved, and many may not agree with me but I see that as causing harm in innumerable ways. I want all of us to have the best chance of getting well, and my opinion is that we don't need bitterness and anger, especially when it's induced by someone we have no control over. The timing is up to you, but I believe we have the power to instanteously recoil negativity and take the higher road. Anything else is the ego talking. And if you don't believe that, then that's also your ego talking. And I don't mean ego in the sense of pride & defensiveness (although they're part of ego), but that layer of our consciousness that is always looking for an upper hand.
If I didn't get the sense that these emotions were doing Sparkle harm, I wouldn't have given a millisecond's damn. It's not about right or wrong, winning or losing, taking gigi's side or sparkle's side. To condemn a problem produces further condemnation. The body wants to feel good.. I like to give all the tools it needs to do it.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
But no one will come out and say that what Gigi did was wrong or inappropriate or ???
When you have a gap in the social dynamic, someone is going to fill it.
I'll help Sparkle out. It was wrong to take the money to promote the product or to plan to do so, if that is what happened and those of you who got the letter know what it said.
OK?
There is a difference between condeming and validating truth.. this happened and that happened and it does not look good. Thats a fact.
Systems dynamics, when one part of the system is off balance someone comes in and balances it. That for some reason makes the others uncomfortable because they liked the imbalance which they thought was balance. Its classic addictions dynamics as well. Clearly playing out here.
No we dont always have that power and that is what friends are for and we can be friends to two people at the same time. Not to change us, judge us to changing but to support our experience and realize it is OK that we have it whether they see the truth in it or not.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Thanks for the info on NO, arginine and ammonia... currently a big problem for me.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
R62
What did MP say was the main cause of your ammonia? CBS+?
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Dont know. Can he scan that?
I just ordered the yaskow panel and am planning to the vitamin diagnostics panel. I am tired of shooting in the dark.
Sulphur a problem as well .. and I dont understand the whole methylation cycle yet...
The zyto had methylation supps as negatives... he said maybe not start right now.
I have been taking folicin (a more active form of foilic acid), B12, phos serine.. ??
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
No not from the zyto but he might be able to offer you some insight.. but that's only with the genetics in hand
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Thats what i'm hoping for. I hate all the testing. It is clear, though, that methlation is an issue for me in some way and I dont want to spend months of trial and error to figure that out. Thanks..
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Hey friends, I value this thread and this community.
Because I do, If I read anything more from anybody that sounds to me like a put down or judgment of any board member, justified or unjustified, or a negative discussion of another board member without their approval, I'll report it to the moderators.
I'm very sorry if this action was not taken on your behalf at some point in the past! I'd go back in time and do a better job supporting you if I could, my friends! I'm very sorry to those of you who have been hurt in any way while contributing to this board.
Please don't respond to this post on this thread, but feel free to PM me if you like.
So, what else is new in your healing life today? Thanks for all your contributions.
[ 06-02-2009, 11:26 AM: Message edited by: bejoy ]
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Bob:
Forgot to mention that ozone stimulates nitric oxide synthase. Yet another reason why it should be a good complement to the photon therapy.
Posted by Looking (Member # 13600) on :
Hi Bejoy: Sorry, your thread strayed off track and that has distressed you. So I have a light therapy question I wonder if you would know about.
Because emotions are often in a turmoil with lyme, have you experimented with the photon therapy using flower remedies in the same way you would use nosodes? I mean treat the points with light while you have flower remedies on your solar plexus.
For example, I wonder if someone has been emotionally traumatized if it would be helpful to put rescue remedy on the solar plexus and treat with light. Would this not take the message to the cells and treat the trauma at a deeper level?
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Just thought I'd add in about the trauma we had yesterday with my grandson (who has autism & suspected lyme) as it sure made me determined to try not to sweat the small stuff or waste any time on petty grievances -- life's too short.
My 6 yr old non-verbal grandson managed to climb the fence in the backyard (never able to do this before) and get away even though his mother was constantly checking outside as he played on the swings. In just a few short minutes he was gone and this child lives in his own world with no sense of safety. Of course all the neighbors were helping to search the area, but after several minutes went by the police were called.
Finally about an hour and a half later & 2 kilometres away, he was found by a man who had to brake his truck because my grandson was standing in the middle of a busy road entirely unaware and unconcerned.
The man grabbed my grandson and put him in his truck & phoned the police and said there's something wrong with this kid, he won't talk to me and he doesn't seem to know what's going on.
The ambulance came & they pricked his finger to see if maybe he was diabetic & had a blood sugar imbalance or something. Finally a policeman tried to talk with him and realized by my grandson's behavior what was wrong because the policeman said, "this little guy acts just like my niece who has autism."
Ok, the family is reunited and we are all thanking God that our little boy is back safe & sound but things could have worked out very differently.
[ 06-02-2009, 05:45 AM: Message edited by: Looking ]
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
That must have been a horrible hour and a half, Looking.
I'm very glad that all was well i the end,
Carry
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Hi Looking, sorry you went thought that trauma with your grandson, and I'm so glad he's home safe and sound! I sure hope you all will be able to find some answers for him!
I'll keep experimenting with Flower Remedies with light. What I have found for myself so far is that my emotional shifts from the flowers don't seem to be willing to move faster with the photons.
I have not taken a very serious look at this, though. Just my testing says that it doesn't matter if I use the flower remedies with or without light.
By the way, this thread was started by Brussels
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Sparkle -- it would be a terrible loss if you ever stopped posting. i hope the parasite treatment goes well for you and it is the final puzzle piece in your treatment. and yes, gigi should have been more forthright. and you never did anything to incur any negativity whatsoever from all the posts I've read.
m0joey -- thanks for the tip on ozone stimulating nitric oxide. it totally makes sense. another item to add while trying to increase nitric oxide. is plain old cayenne pepper, which increases body heat and metabolism while it also cleans out the arteries. i've just made it part of my diet.
looking -- wow! I'm really happy all turned out well for your grandson. hopefully the relief totally counter acts the trauma!
bejoy -- just a thought, maybe the reason LEDs have little impact on flower essense is because they are already infused with light. curious what you think.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Thank you Bob for wording that so well for Sparkle.
NO, please help me. Is there a primer for this? I think I read in some CFS book I have that too much NO is not good.. it over dilates or something like that? So confused. Balance we are talking about?
NO helps us fight pathogens. We get too much at times which can cause some CFS symtpoms. We can have too little to activate with photons ? because we just run out?
Posted by Looking (Member # 13600) on :
Bejoy: Sorry I got that mixed up, I should have checked back to see this is Selma's thread.
We are trying many things to help my grandson, including homeopathics, diet, cranial sacral and many more. Thanks for your reply about the flower remedies.
I wonder if we have sensitivities or allergies to some flowers if they will test as not beneficial for us in flower remedies? Interesting to explore this along with the light and also is it possible to have a DNA level allergen to certain light or photon frequencies? Just wondering out loud. I know some people actually are allergic to the sun and have to stay covered or indoors.
Carry & Bob: Thanks for your concern. I am trying to dwell on feeling relieved & happy but these "what if something bad happened" thoughts keep pushing into my mind. I think it's because of an article I read before where a child was not so fortunate. http://tinyurl.com/o6edxj
Wish I never read it now, children with autism often are a flight risk and incredibly quick at disappearing.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
I agree 100% with Selma..... it is important - even critical - that we ALL hear from the people who feel they were harmed or made worse from doing the Bionic 880 or some other light treatment! And we need to know specifics about the device used, how they determined their protocol, any adjunctive therapies used (drainage, detox, herbals, etc.), duration of treatment, and so on.
So, PLEASE! Anyone with a Bionic 880 or photon/ infrared light experience to share, please send a PM to Selma!
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Looking, I'm certainly glad to know that there was a happy ending to that story. Too many parents are living with this kind of fear/ danger.... we've got to figure out this autism epidemic......
Selma, your Malaria cycle of ``going to bed feeling frozen, then wake up soaked in sweat'' sounds awfully familiar..... for me, this can be worse or better depending not only on room temperature, but on what I eat that day. Have you noticed this?
I find it ironic that those who feel they are ill from use of the Bionic don't want to post about it publicly...... by withholding that information from everyone, isn't that just contributing to the problem of misinformation? I can't stress enough that this is important information that needs to be made public....
You know, each of us must be careful about what we say. I don't want to feel the need to defend Sparkle or Gigi or anyone. But if statements are worded a certain way, then it can give a false impression to others. Ironically, that's what started this debate in the first place. I don't want to contribute to that problem and, hopefully, no one else on this thread does either.
There's quite a bit of irony associated with this discussion, but no sense in getting into all of that..... but I am concerned about how statements here are presented.
Sparkle, you said: **``GiGi was saying things about the Bionic 880 that were distorted due to the fact that she was making money from commissions by their sales. This skewed the information in many ways about this mode of healing.''**
Although this is stated as a fact, it is actually an opinion . While there is certainly evidence that Gigi received some kind of financial benefit from Bionic 880 sales, I've seen no direct evidence that it influenced any statements she made about the machine, the treatment, or her experiences. Therefore, as it stands, it is a statement that borders on slander.
Simply adding the words, ``In my opinion'' to a statement can clarify it for others. I can certainly respect someone's opinion, whether I happen to agree with it or not, especially if they explain why they came to their conclusions. With some solid information, I might change my mind about it.
It isn't always easy making a distinction between what we know to be true, and what we suspect to be true, even in our own minds! So, we must take a little care when speaking about it.
As if my `inactive bowel' issue isn't enough, I'm noticing more and more evidence that my liver needs some kind of attention. Again, thanks for brining the liver and parasite thing to the forefront for me, Sparkle.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
I for one have been very clear about mishaps with the bionic. I actually dont see any reason not to be, unless your "word" or "reputation" is on the line.
But wouldn't people respect you more for going back on your initial impression of the machine if ultimately you're helping ppl make the right decision?
I don't know who those people are that aren't going public with their experiences. Maybe they're not hiding it, they're just not being public with it. There's a big difference. It takes communal intent to be public about the ebbs & flows of personal treatment. Not everyone on LN has that (not a jab at all.. just the truth)
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I agree that we cannot determine intent for anyone. Only the facts. The rest is opinion, conjecture until proven otherwise.
People not coming public, I agree it may not be hiding it out of fear, but I have not heard from anyone so I cant say. We do need information.
I would like to know the limitations, side effects of photon therapy. Some have mentioned they took a break because of something to do with the photons.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Interesting part of this conversation is the proprietary nature of each biophoton device.
I think we're doing a pretty good job of collaborating information about photon treatment, still, it seems to get a bit compartmentalized according to the device being used.
I have posted quite a bit on my warnings and mishaps with overuse of light and nosodes. Much of it is near the beginning of this thread.
I also posted many of my personal warnings on the Lightworks thread that I let drift away (after I was accused of selling them.)
This protocol has both nearly killed me and has saved my life.
Using it too intensely, with too many nosodes at once, and with substances I was highly allergic to, almost killed me, I think. (I give Selma credit here for identifying the problem and how to recover.)
I have used it to knock out pathogens almost too numerous to mention, which is almost impossible to think of how this could have been done in any other way in my state. I was too sick with fungals to use abx effectively.
A repeat of my basic warnings that I tell myself (not research, just my own experience:)
Learn to muscle test or douse very effectively before trying to do this alone. Get help from a professional ART or Kinesiology practitioiner whenever possible.
Don't use with too many nosodes at once, or the immune system will be unable to fight off opportunisitic pathogens in the environment. You might catch just about anything.
Test nosodes for allergies, and do a desensitization technique if there is a negative sensitivity to the pathogen, before doing the full protocol.
Deal with fungals too, not just the three lyme B's
Use with a good full detox protocol, like IV glut. systemic drainage, or glutathione suppositories. I'm sure we'll come up with other DIY options.
Deal with leaky gut and allergies, and increase systemic flora, or any amount of killing will just make room for more bad bugs.
I currently understand the use of biophotons in two ways:
1. To provide energy to our living tissues - this can help increase neurotransmitters and hromone production, and heal the organs.
2. To provide energy to the thymus as immune system agent, and to direct the immune system about which pathogens or other substances to pay attention to in the body by presentation of little energized bottles of water.
Amazing technology, really. Powerful stuff we have our hands on.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Bejoy, Do you mean too many dilutions of one nosode or too many different kinds of nosodes. I think you mean the latter, but want to make sure.
What would be a desentization technique? By allergy you mean to the pathogen of the energy in the nosode where the body does not recognize the pathogen?
Thank you.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Robin,
Yes to both. To get the full picture there is a long story:
Once directly after a light treatment for borrelia garinii, I cleaned up my kitchen area that is full of tester vials of all kinds of things that had tested positive for.
The following day I noticed decrease in symptoms for several of the things I had touched, but had not intentionally treated for.
Then the next day I offered to treat a friend with light with her Asyra vial that she had containing a whole mixture of molds and mycotoxins energies. (I had not tested or treated myself for any of those yet.)
Read here that I was being dumb, inexperienced, reckless, and foolish.
I exposed myself to her vial, her body, and the light for about twenty minutes, so in effect got lots of energy from that vial without a full protocol treatment myself.
That evening I came down with what Selma later identified as a case of Mycobacterium Tuberculosis in the eye. It also moved into the kidneys. I was horribly sick.
I went to the hospital (which I never do!) and was sent home labeled autoimmune, with no bacterial infection they could think to test for or identify.
I later discovered that MTB and several of the molds and mycotoxins are pathogens or substances that I have had a strong negative sensitivity to. When I came into contact with them they completely dysregulated my system.
I believe my immune system was ignoring them rather than fighting them.
I go to an expert kinesiologist, who had never found those pathogens in my body, I think because my body was ignoring them, or saying it was dangerous to try to treat them energetically in the standard ways, rather than beneficial.
I went in to have him test me for MTB. He placed the vial on my solar plexus, and I leaped off the table and was half way out the door before I realized I had done anything. I'm usually pretty composed, but just the vial gave me an instant panic attack.
I checked this out with my kinesiologist, and did the following: I used a myc TB vial (I forget what potency) with a desensitization technique twice before I began treating with the regular protocol.
Then I got immediately better, and the eye cleared up. It took a little longer for the kidney.
I came up with a desensitization protocol that works for me. I made it up based on a combination of several different allergy elimiation protocols that I have read or experienced.
I tape the vial on my solar plexus, then light the gates on the hands and feet, the ears and the soles of feet for accupuncture points, and the length of the spine for all the organs.
While using the light, I stand up using the dousing technique of leaning forward and backward to test for lengths of time at each point.
I have to be careful to wait about a half hour afterwards before eating, drinking anything but water, or touching anything. I have to stay isolated and still.
I also have to be careful to scrub my hands before, not to be around strong smells or chemical or other homeopathics while in the treatment process.
Usually doing this protocol twice will get my body to a place where I can successfully do a full Dr. W. type protocol, and have my immune system respond.
Shortly after, I becamevery ill from mold and mcotoxins in my house. Read above how I had exposed myself to the vial, and already had severe allergies there.
Treatment there is a looong story too, but included desensitization to the molds in my home, clearing out the toxins, and treating with light and nosodes. I'm nearly in the clear again, but still more milieu work to do.
IMPORTANT POINT HERE:
I have a feeling that sometimes when the Bionic is failing and people are getting sicker, has to do with allergies to the pathogens being treated.
I did not come up with this information in a vaccuum. I have noticed somewhat similar accounts from some Bionic users, even if their answers to the problem are different from mine.
It seems to me that sometimes people have a negative sensitivity or allergy to a pathogen, and as they treat it with the nosode and photons, it makes the body sicker if the immune system can't respond.
I think this is why some people doing the Bionic treatment are getting more success when treating with AI or some other good allergy protocol.
I notice that Selma (if you don't mind me commenting here about you) has had tremendous success with her allergy remedies from saliva dilutions. I think she is brilliant with this.
I have to say that I don't entirely understand the terminology of an allergy at a DNA level. I do understand that many of the most severe pathogens will cause ruptures in the DNA, even especially when inherited from parents.
TB is one of them, and muscle testing indicates that I seem to have that rupture.
I think, but don't know, that this may be the same as a miasm.
I don't fully understand all of this. I'm still trying to figure it out.
So my response to people wanting to use biophotons and nosodes as a Do-it-yourself at home project is a bit of anxiety.
I think this is the most amazing technology I have ever seen for fighting infection. I also think there is a fair amount of danger here regarding pathogens the body isn't capable of making killer T cells for.
Even considering if you kill off dangerous bacteria with a good photon protocol, you make more room and less competition for the bacteria that your body doesn't know how to fight.
I am convinced that the allergy/ sensitivity issue has to be looked at. Personally, I think that AI sounds good. I think that Asyra is good. I think that Selma's technique for allergy elimination is excellent.
There is still so much more to learn...
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
AH.. Thank you, bejoy. What a thorough account.. thank you! I get more and more info as I re-read.
I gave in today. My back pain was so bad, lower and upper.. they I used the lightworks. I used for probably 90 sec on G on lower and about 60 on G on upper.
I feel better. I am also taking a spray under tongue retrovirus homeopath what for some reason has toxo gondii dilutions. So..
We shall see. I couldnt stand the pain anymore. It bothers me that I cannot use this tool that has helped me in the past with back pain because of all these other potential factors.
??? We shall see. I have used the lightworks on my back before with no problem on G. I have also use otehr settign on my back and not a problem other than relief, but not always relief. It seems G is really good for my back.
When I used for 32 min on auto on navel.. thats when I ran into a herx like effect. Same for my daughter. She was on lyme nosodes (all dilutions and all nco-infections) and abx (we had bought this as a supportive tool having no clue other "benefits" and "drawbacks"). She immediately had a "herx", but it cleared quickly and she "loved" it.
????
Do you all think this could play out differently for different people?
She was taking oral doses of the homeopathic.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Adding.. at this point, I do not want to use my LW for controlling or killing pathogens. I want to use it for support.
I know there are folks in the lyme induced autism community using it for detox support without nosodes. Now how is that? They are choosing nogiers.
I may try this as support and I have CS and MMS on hand. I cant not use it when it helps me. I dont know what else to do, except stay away from homeopathics after a treatment other than the one I am taking. I'll discontinue the one I am taking to be able to use the light for my back when it goes out. ??
I want to use the nogiers. Thats what they are for! How to do that? Avoid all homeopathics? And stay on a more broad spectrum protocol? Keep using EDS and muscle testing in case something comes up?
The KMT I heard and could be wrong info also stirs up bugs. ???
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
I agree with Bejoy.
This is why I was hesitant to invest in rifing just because i'd heard the bionic couldn't touch certain types of pathogens.
*This isn't to say it won't have a place later on
Clearing up allergies & restoring the terrain don't sound aggressive enough for some people to feel like they are actively attacking bugs.. but I think we tend to forget that actively pursuing health should be preferred to actively attacking bugs. Restoring cellular commnication & intracellular/extracellular pH (& re-enabling aerobic metabolism) is part of the former approach.
So far, I am the only person that hasn't tested as needing the saliva dilution Brussels created, and we both believe this is because of the AI.
Getting the pathogen load down enough to be functional & focus on terrain & detoxification is one thing. But at this point, barring a major flare, I'm focusing on restoration & doing only a few things like zapping & ozonated oils to keep a lid on the bugs.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
This is where I get why my doctor has been using a degeneration vial set to test my supps, herbs, homeopathy against.
What upsets the balance of zero goes out. It is not set up to kill but to balance.
We didnt use it last time and I am now wanting to go back to it.
I think rife can be a good tool.
I am unsing NMT for dysregulation. My body temp has risen as well as no more hair falling out after the therapist addressed my body not recognizing T3. Then she cleared a trauma pathway almost immediately. Strange coincidences or it works.
Also considering AI. I am not skilled enough to do all this work on my own.
Are you ozonating your own oils or using Dr. Ks?
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Dr. K's. The zetas tested well for me, but nothing else
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Will the saliva or AI treatments cover an unknown "allergy" to any/all pathogens (including mold)?
Seems like a good idea (if not or not using the above technigues) to use the allergy technigue as decribed by bejoy before using any homeopathic whether with nosodes or not?
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
I thought bejoy's allergy technique does use nosodes.. but just different settings & different gates than Dr. W's?
I don't know of any treatment that will cover "all" of your allergies, but the AI certainly tries to. When you get to round 3,4 they usually start presenting chemicals without naming them. I'm not sure how they come to the conclusion they are chemicals if they don't know the name, but after the drops my doc would find chemicals in blood via muscle-testing.
From what I understand, the AI drops are fully energetic-based & not homeopathic.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
You are right. Its like an introduction to the body of the substance or a clearing using the gates?
I was wondering if this would be beneficial whether using light therapy or not.. like when ingesting nosodes.. but maybe no need then?
AI does address "allergies" to pathogens, even molds, fungus?
NMT I know does a general clearing. I'm not sure how specific it gets. Types of pathogens are named as in categories I do know.
Each pathway is pretty specific. This is all verbal and works in the field of energy and can be long dstance. Much more or a stretch that taking drops, but if I believe in one, I believe in the other, personally.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Bejoy -- I really got a lot from what you wrote.
I don't think Selma would mind if I relate, but I did test for needing two courses of the drops. And your correct, It is amazing how Selma came up with this. I'm definitely feeling changes but they are too subtle to be specific. I know I can eat gluten without side effects now as well as dairy. I'm sure the drops had some role but not a full one. Dairy in the form of yogurt and hard cheeses seems to be important to my health.
I think I've moved a lot of toxins out of my body, but a lot of found residence in my kidneys and bladder and it might be inducing an infection which is where I'm concentrating next.
Terrain issues are very important and I agree with Joey. The challenge is to prevent the pathogens from disrupting these efforts.
In a way it would be great if we could find a way to disable pathogens or put them in slow motion, while our terrain is rebuilt. Then slowly eradicate them while carefully detoxifying.
I suppose some day we might find nosode that might just do that, disable the organism and at the same time slow the immune system response to that organism while using light. And at the same time using light and other nosode to rebuild any holes in the DNA fabric.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Robin, I think you are treating with retrovirus nosodes and photons, whether or not you are intending to.
I think you are also treating your daughter with your retrovirus nosodes along with lyme nosodes (if she is currently using them) and photons.
Just be aware that you are most likely doing it, and that you are using an experimental partial protocol, rather than the full Dr. W. protocol.
As long as you and your daughter are feeling good, and you are clear on what you are doing, that is likely to be fine, from my experience. Especially since you seem to have such great practitioners if something were to pop up!
My older daughter got a lyme rash when I treated myself the first time with lyme nosodes. (No photons yet.) It may or may not work this way in other families.
The same daughter herxes whenever I do light and mold nosodes. She has been significantly affected by the household mold that the family is recovering from. I must radiate the treatment somehow.
I tend to check before using any nosode if I need a desensitization protocol first, or if I can go right for the thymus and all.
Additional note: So far people report that drops originating from saliva samples test as best used separately from the Dr. W. photon protocol. I don't know why.
I suspect it is because you are not just helping the body recognize and fight the antigen (the bacteria, fungus or virus) but to deal with the body's reaction to the antibodies.
At this point I feel like good treatment for me needs to contain all 3 elements - killing pathogens, opening regulation to sensitivities (allergy treatment), and milieu restoration.
I think I'll go for Bob's oatmeal breakfast!
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I couldnt stand the pain any longer.
I teste to have the retro in upper neck. Now it feels better. I treated with photons on my upper neck. I didnt think about that.
Lower back was zoster and it still hurts.
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I'm sorry for whatever happens. I dont know what to say.
I guess I am treating my son as well. ?? My daughter's nosodes I dont touch.
Are you saying that when you use the photons with a nosode, you "share" the photons and nosodes to others near by?
For how long after?
Does it matter.. as long as you ingest nosodes, you may be affecting your family.. so my daughter ingesting her nosodes may also transfer to me, my son, etc?
Does it matter if you go to another room and use the photons? It doesnt sound like it.
I wont do it again unless I am desparate for the pain to go away. I think. Not to treat.. not ready for that.
I think my practioners are responsive but have no clue as to the ride.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
If I wasnt taking the homeopathic and using the LW on my back on G, this should me fine, right?
If my daughter is on nosodes, though, ??
This is so confusing.
I'm feeling badly. I dont want to mess her up too. Its one thing if its me.
Do you think not treating the meridians makes this less potent? Like, lets say.. treating the back?:-)
If I go the a chiropractor who uses an infrared.. then what? No for me, but what if she used it on a client before me and Im taking nosodes? (actually thinking of going to a chiro)
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Up for R62
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
This may be the most confusing thread I ever read. lol. I feel like I'm trying to read some ancient Chinese language. I can't even imagine a newbie reading this thread. They'd think we went to the moon.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I have a sore throat and am running a low grade fever. This isnt new lately, so dont know. I've been taking transfer factor EBV and Lymeplus.
My daughter has been playing all day, run around play.
I felt sleepy and relaxed all day. Felt good. Neck doesnt hurt like it did and not swollen at about the C8 (which is a nerve root, not a vertebre and showed up on zyto... I have had this band of swelling extending from the right side of it).
So... ???
I took my one spray again today. It has multiple virus homeopathic dilutions in the C range plus toxo gondii. Its called Retrovirus.
My creepies are gone, but they come and go. These radiate from my spine. Whatever is in my spine, I am considering treating with photons now. I just need more info and back up help. Bb did not test to be there. Viruses did, but we did not do a comprehensive test for things like brucella and other coinfections.
I also adjusted my jaw brace which could be why my neck *upper back) doesnt hurt so much. I dont know.
I have "coincidences" with NMT that adding up and I am still not convinced about that either.
I know there are people using the LW for detox without the nosodes and all is fine. I want to know the difference and how this is working. and why.(folks on another list)
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Robin, I'd say don't worry so much and trust your instincts. Sounds like the photon therapy maybe gave you a herx, and maybe made you and your kids feel better.
You would not be messing anybody up, just maybe making a treatment stronger. If your practitioner helped you select nosodes, then you are most likely not going to have a bad reaction to them.
What is more potent of less potent may be an individual thing.
My guess is that treating the spine is like treating the accupuncture points for all the organs.
My guess is that it would help you unblock any resistance or allergy/sensitivity you immune system might have to the organims represented in the nosodes, so your immune system would respond better to the nosodes.
If you are worried I'd say light the gates on the hands and feet to make sure the immune system is responding. Just a guess still, but makes sense to me.
I don't know if other families energetically share nosode information. I suspect they do, but that's all good in my book. I am so grateful that my daughter picks up treatments, and I don't have to put her through the whole regimen, strange as it seems.
There is so much here we don't know, but bottom line is outcome. There is no fully researched Lightworks or PE1 protocol, just what people report so far. If something works for you, it works for you.
Seekhelp, I think we did go to the moon. I think this thread is one of the answers to splitting medical into ILADS and experimental.
Lots of the experimental goes here, and for sure this is not a newbie thread. But then, people on this thread seem to be getting better, so it's good stuff.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Joey, as for chemicals without knowing the name, when we know that more than 10,000 new chemicals are put in the market every year, I wonder how to name all these chemicals and detect them energetically through radionics the way AI does.... It's almost an impossible task.
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Robin, I hope you are feeling better. I don't know what to suggest you, I feel like blind when I can't test a person...
Photons are two-sided, they can help healing or make you feel worse. The more I am with this machine, I know that I can't overdo. It's like everything else. Too much is bad.
I'm off photons for quite some time now, not only not needing them, but also "can't photoon myself"... It tests as though it could harm me.
I can photoon other people with nosodes and am less vulnerable now that my health is better. I guess it's like ingesting a nosode that I don't need. I just don't react, that's it. But if I photoon something I need, I can react to the treatment as Bejoy said.
As for T3, have you tried the homeopathic version of it? It worked well for me in the past, suggested by my naturopath.
--- Bob and other people on saliva: just go on until it doesn't test anymore. It will stop testing from a day to another. Don't be surprised.
The time frame is usually 2 to 3 weeks it seems, one week will rarely do the job. Then you'll need another dilution from fresh saliva to go on with treatment.
What I see is that some people feel strong reactions at first, but almost always, the reaction will go weaker with the days. I feel that one needs to take BINDERS as one of the main things these saliva stuff do is helping the body to detox.
After the days, you'll feel almost nothing, but curiously, it still keeps testing.
Some other people feel nothing with one dilution, but feel something strong with another. And vice versa. ---
I start to believe that the more we are free from toxins, the more all treatments work. Same as what dr. K. kept saying. Homeopathy now for me works with such an intensity that amazes me.
I keep thinking of Tracy and what I told her in the past, that I never believed homeopathy alone could heal lyme disease, and she kept saying the opposite.
The more I'm better, the more homeopathy works. It IS amazing. I think photons do help us to 'take' homeopathy. But now that I'm much better, I barely need a boost with photons. But my daughter still needs photons on and off.
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My saliva experiments are taking me to places I would never expect. I thought they couldn't kill, but there I am, with two examples showing it can kill. Both hubby and daughter stopped suddenly to test for Humaworm after new saliva dilution. So they are not taking it. Not even started to take Humaworm!
I'm still detoxing from the GI tract too, whatever it is, it is testing like detoxing intracellular stuff there.
I suspect I either arrived to where I wanted to arrive concerning my health or that I'm very close to.
I am not testing for chlorella anymore for a couple of weeks. Nor adrenal support, bear garlic, etc... The only things that test are chlorella CGF homeopathic, chlorella homeopathic, and magnesium homeopathic. And my saliva product, I think 6th round if I counted well. -----
My daughter has been bitten by two small ticks twice in the last days. Both were free of the pathogens, it seems. So she's NOT on tick homeopathic 'soup' as preventive treatment, like I usually do after a tick bite.
She continues though testing for all cleansers (chlorella, bear garlic, cardamon, etc...), once a day.
She's got a vaginal infection one of these days, so I photooned her with the bacterial vial. I suspect she's still not free of toxins, still in the cycle of infections like I was, so now I have to concentrate on her, not on myself anymore.
I would never believe that I would be cleaner and healthier than her one day, but here I am... ---
My malaria went dormant so fast. No more symptoms of cold, light sensitivity, sweats for weeks now. I wonder when candida albicans will test again for me. It got active when I killed malaria (just in energetic tests, as I didn't feel any symptoms from candida), but candida went dormant by itself...
My saliva product at that moment, tested as helping to clean GI too, even though it didn't test as killing that candida... Whatever happened, I was in Korea, so I didn't have any candida killers with me. It went dormant by itself.
I feel SO STRANGE to have my body fighting these infections SO EASILY!! It feels like this is NOT my body. Before, I always needed SO MUCH supportive killers and treatments!!!
It looks too good to be true. I think I will treat myself in the psychological side for my brain to accept that I got a new body, that is better, stronger etc...
My brain still tells me my body is weak, my body can't fight infections, my body collapses easily with infections and toxins, etc....
My daughter got allergic to bee venom product after a few times I used on her, months ago. Her skin got very red and itchy after 3rd or 4th time I rubbed bee venom her. I can't remember for what she was being treated... Ah, her knee, probably. So I stopped using bee venom.
After some saliva treatments, she tested not allergic to bee venom anymore. I rubbed it then on the tick bite a few days ago (just in case...). Absolutely nothing happened. Today again, after the second bite, I did it again, and she went to bed. Let's see tomorrow morning!
She ate a few candies with colorants yesterday as I was visiting a friend, and so far, no reactions.
Another thing is the tick bite itself. Before, she would react badly, like the tick bite itself got an allergic reaction. Now, both bites had no allergic reaction at all! I can't even see the bite an hour after pulling the ticks. Amazing.
She is though still allergic to other mosquito bites as she's got a reaction in Belgium. So she's certainly not done with allergy treatment...
--- Tonight I was researching any homeopathic substance to repell ticks. We're on borrelia burgd LM6 to prevent ticks containing borrelia to bite us, and it has been a success so far.
The problem is that ticks can STILL contain other pathogens WITHOUT borrelia. She got bart like that once and last year, she got TBE, a nasty bad viral infection. No borrelia though.
I got a name here of an homeopathic product and I will try to order it to spray on her clothes.
I tested one homeopathic spray on ants and it worked REALLY well, so far. And I sprayed only once, the ants still didn't come back after weeks!!! So homeopathy can work as INSECT REPELLENT!! we just have to find the right substance!
Daughter's main hobby now is to look for insects. She's raising a caterpillar now, and she catches many insects a day, from butterflies to beetles, crickets, snails... So she's most of the time in high weeds, crawling all around.
Neighbors built tree houses too, a wonder for kids, so she's just inside tick land most of her day. I just gave up spraying her with essential oils. As she got bitten twice in less than a week, I guess it's time to try finding a new homeopathic product to spray on her clothes, at least. Let's see if I find something... --
On camphora D200. I am getting used to it, even though I don't need it now. My daughter needs it on and off, specially during colds. Rubbed only on lymph nodes, it is wonderful. We all get relaxed after it. As it is strong, it is not to be used everyday.
--- Tracy, I just got malarial symptoms for a few days, when I started to 'attack' it. It went dormant so fast only with cloves, cardamon, and reflex massage on the liver. So I really can't say if food intake changed the symptoms... Sorry.
But babesia can ause the same symptoms (go to bed chilly, wake up soaked in sweat).
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Selma- thanks for your comment on parasites. It's far too extensive a topic to go into here on this thread. This is why I started another thread for it.
I never meant to create a "vs" atmosphere about the Bionic 880 thing. There are people who contacted me about it - so I brought it up. There was a disconnect & I felt I had to mention it. There also is a history associated with it that was relevant to the topic.
Since I have experienced the negative side of infrared light, I felt it was important to mention it. I am negative & bitter about experiences I had here. I'm not going to pretend it didn't happen.
If you weren't on the receiving end - you probably wouldn't understand. It's not worth rehashing & I'm tired of trying to justify myself.
Tracy - I don't really appreciate you accusing me of slander. Everything we say here is our "opinion". If Selma says I should expect to be battling more toxins from killing the parasites - it's her opinion... Whatever you write is your opinion. Even suggesting I was slandering someone is your opinion...
If we all have to say "this is my opinion" all of the time & refrain from saying - "maybe you should try XYZ" since one may be accused of giving medical advice - it would be a severe limit of what one might say on this message board.
I just took it as a given that we could express our opinions about things. If we can't do that, I don't see how we can communicate freely here.
I may not agree with everyone about everything but I feel they do have a right to communicate about their experiences & opinions.
If someone suggests to me to try something & I have an adverse reaction - I'm not going to sue them for malpractice. I do think it's important to say when things go wrong, as well as, when things go right without being accused of malpractice or slander.
I can decide for myself whether to try something. I'm sure others can, too. If someone is being abusive towards me, I feel I have a right to defend myself.
It's just getting to a point where I feel I can't really express myself since someone is going to jump down my throat about it.
I think it's good to have a number of ideas expressed here - even if they are in conflict. We can learn from hashing it all out. It's getting to be a closed circuit, though.
I don't think there is one way to do things when it comes to healing. We all are different. We need different ideas & ways to get well.
The Asyra & my own energetic readings completely missed the fact that I have parasites blocking up my liver & probably other things, as well. Standard medical tests missed it completely, too.
All of this energetic testing is not 100% accurate. Sometimes you have to go outside of the box & take a risk. It's not "one size fits all".
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Quorum Sensing. Not sure if this has a thing to do with photon therapy, but I'm guessing it does in some way.
Sorry I've angered you, Sparkle. But please note that I did not `accuse' you of anything except stating an opinion as though it were established fact. I tried to explain why.
I strongly disagree that ``Everything we say here is our `opinion'.'' True, in some cases it is implied, but in other cases it can be very unclear. It's an important distinction, especially for Newbies looking for information. That's why we see the IMO and IMHO abbreviations used so often on this board.
In this case, the problem wasn't about treatments, products, or protocols; it was a remark about another LN member.
I simply do not want any of us to make comments that might get us kicked off the board or get this thread shut down.
Let's just try to evaluate the Bionic and other light therapies based on their merits. Hopefully, more people with vital information gained through experience - pro and con - will post about it.
Believe it or not, Sparkle, I was just trying to look out for you, and for all of us. Again, I'm sorry that I offended you.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Sorry you gals about these troubles. I know Tracy didn't want to be 'mean' to Sparkle, because I 'know' her for sooo long... but it's hard to determine the tone in writing...
Everything is merely opinion here. Even your doc will only get an opinion about your problems, right? So how could we do better than these docs?
I hope no newbie thinks any of us have the final answer for the problem! Newbies, this is a total experimental thread, if you still didn't understand that!
We do cross our fingers for newbies to get cured after a first round of abx then nevermore get back here like most of us!! But if not, well, then this thread could be of some use!
I still bet on the parasite issue being just a single issue for most of us. But we'll never know unless we try to address the problem. I was treated for parasitism both in GI tract and in my brain in the first visit I did to my naturopath. I DID feel better after using microcurrent and continue taking my herbs, frozen garlic etc.
I still did a couple of parasite cleaning about once a year, when they tested... I find microcurrent addressed it well.
gotta go, daughter is back!
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Thank you Selma. I'm sending a PM.
My T3 I think is fine. My temp is back to normal and hair no longer falling out anfter neuromodulation therapist cleared that pathway... she said my body was not recognizing T3.
She uses her body to dowse and then runs the pathway energetically. After that.. temp that was in 97 range was in 98 range. It dipped at one point and I added in a low dose glandular from a blend and on inderol and Im well in the 98.6 range, sometimes a little over sometimes a little under. Never before the nmt had intervention brought my temp up.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Again, I was thinking I was not good patient for the KPU, my doctor put me on it... I'm always learning.
Funny thing, when I ask: 'Do I need zinc?' My body says no.
If I ask: 'Will I detox if I add zinc?' Answer is 'yes'
Same for my daughter. She doesn't need zinc but adding it will help her detox.
these energetic questions are so LITERAL....
same for manganese, and all the other vitamins in the KPU protocol... I don't NEED THEM, but if I add them, they will help my body detox.
The only one I test as needing is magnesium, always, since I first fell sick with lyme, this is THE constant mineral my body craves. I don't usually take it, except for when the the homeopathic magnesium is not enough...
My lyme doc (who is an homeopath) is now saying I need to add the REAL minerals after the course with dr. K. He's pushing me to go to Heildeberg to do a course on the KPU with him... So I may go.
For the first time since I fell sick with lyme, he considers me 'healthy'. He measures my photon field, and that is how he 'knows'. So, I'm healthy guys!!!
It's funny because that is what I wrote in my last post: I arrived where I wanted to arrive concerning my health. Now everything I'll do is on the preventive side!
He's amazed to see from where I came (total fatigue, next to zero energy, my photon field zero literally, he even didn't take full responsibility for me as I was really bad) to now, the speed of recovery was amazing, he said.
He thinks it is due to the testing I do where I change the treatments continuously compared to his patients that come once a month and change protocols just once a month. Their speed of recovery is much slower.
I think the energy tests were great, the photon machine is great, and all the neural therapy I keep doing seemed somehow to help a lot too... Now he decided to put both of us, me and daugther in the KPU.
I got a pill to test (called Depyrrol) with most of the ingredients of the KPU protocol (except for two that I still have to add) and while coming back in the train I asked WHERE these pills will help my body detox heavy metals.
I got very precise answers all over, SPECIALLY in joints, spine, some intracellular organs. Again, all parts that once got infected with lyme or other nasty pathogens in the past, to no surprise.
I am no longer allergic to mercury as I was before the saliva treatment, so I guess I can try the KPU with less fear to collapse like I collapsed in the past with strong chelators...
He said that if he knew about the KPU, that was what he was going to do with me YEARS AGO, when I first came to him. But he didn't know then.
I did again the ozone injection in my tooth, he said that thioether problem shall go if the tooth is stabilized. He thinks that ozone can stabilize a root canal for most patients to about 4 years. If the same tooth continues though to test with infections within shorter periods (less than 4 years), he would advise to pull it off...
If I were brave enough, I would buy an ozone machine like his to do the injections myself in case of emergency (if I'm out of the country, for example). It looks sooo easy.
The machine does almost everything, we need procaine for neural therapy and as anesthetic, then the ozone injection after. The cost of procaine and ozone is next to zero, very insignificant, and the therapeutic effect is amazing, it seems. I'm sure I would need some guidance of a dentist in the beginning, but after a few times, I could manage myself...
Gotta go, hope you are feeling better Robin!
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Hi everyone
I just wondered if anyone here has used the Desbio drainage remedies for detox support? If so did you find them particularly effective? I'm thinking of trying them.
Cheers
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Thats fantastic news that you've been declared healthy Selma!! Way to go! Very interesting that you are not allergic to mercury now too.
Good luck with the KPU protocol if you try it!
Anne
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Congrats Selma!! Wow... I want someone to measure my photon field =)
I hope you do better on the KPU now that everything else is in place. It's rough for a lot of us.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Some repeat info, but just wanted to repost from the Bionic yahoo group:
I've been very cautiously optimistic about the Bionic from day one.. and due to my overtreating I was even more so. Later on, I used my lack of improvement with respect to CFS symptoms to substantiate that the machine is not enough for chronic lyme patients with CFS-dominant symptoms (or CFS patients--whatever you wanna call what you have). I stand by that point.
However, in my last 4 evaluations (my primary energetic doctor who uses muscle testing, 2 zyto evaluations, and 1 epfx/scio evaluation) I can actually say with confidence that infections overall are not a big problem for me. Borrelia only shows up on one zyto evaluation, and the area where it was showing up as a problem was refuted by my primary through direct testing...so I'm still unsure about that particular finding. In any case, it doesn't matter because I intend to use the Bionic for infection management anyway. If you'd only seen how many infections I was dealing with before I left for Germany. I was a hot mess.
As for a cure... I have yet to hear of anything that is a cure, unless you have straight lyme disease or straight lyme & co-infections, in which case any of these machines will do. Many of us deal with a host of other issues that need proper support through other treatments. I have yet to hear of any kind of eletromagnetic machine that chelates heavy metals. I don't believe heavy metals go as soon as infections go, because heavy metals are conductors. A very basic scenario is that emotions are harbored in organs(according to Chinese medicine). If subconscious conflicts aren't resolved or released, metals simply will not let go. Dr. Klinghardts talks often of subconscious conflicts being much of the basis of the altered terrain which attracts disease.I have been chelating aggressively with the best chelators money can buy for the last year, but my heavy metals & chemicals are still off the charts. As I've been working on detoxing gallbladder/liver more aggressively, these emotions have reared their ugly heads.
I also believe the ozone sauna + insufflation will be very beneficial because it should oxidize the intracellular metals/toxins. Do you guys know if any oral chelators on the market get inside the cells?
However, since I am now done with the AI treatment (and theoretically my immune system has begun recognizing metals & chemicals) I am considering treating these with the bionic. Any thoughts on this?
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Hi Joey, thats great to hear that your infections are not a major problem for you now and its encouraging for me too.
For chelators, Alpha Lipoic Acid is definitely supposed to chelate intracellular mercury according to Andy Cutler and Boyd Haley claims that OSR does too. Anyway you probably know that already..
Nothing else that I'm aware of (apart from FCT & NES remedies which are similar to AI), as DMSA & DMPS are only supposed to work extracellularly arent they.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Shimmy, thanks!
I used the Systemic drainage a couple of times, but Bejoy used it more. I hope she chimes in.
I think my body still prefers the Heel products (the ones dr. W. uses and others) and some of Sanum (like rubbed Sanuvis). The magic mix Ubichinon Citro Coenzyme is also a must for us.
As for the camphora D200, that is another unexpensive and amazing product for lymph drainage, I use it only rubbed. My daughter also loves it as it relaxes her when she gets a cold.
--- Joey, I wished I could do the photon field 'reading' like he does... My hands have to go too far away to feel it, so I can't do on myself, or practice on myself....
Yes, IT IS amazing what photons + nosodes do to some infections!!! I can't agree more, this is for me the best killing method I ever encountered for borrelia!
As for metal chelators, that is mostly my impression too. No matter how much money you spend, you can't chelate MOST metals only through chemical products. Not from what I call 'storage places'...
the places that usually get infections often will be the places that store heavy metals, in my feeling. At least, that is how they keep testing for me.
I guess for me, 8 things helped to move metals so far.
1- Oral chelators helped the easiest load to go, binders like chlorella cleaned the general mess extracellular and in organs.
2- Then some type of psychological treatment unblocked some body parts, that's right.
3- Then there was neural therapy and accupucnture, they did some more. NT does some marvelous things to unblock blocked areas of the body and I do NT now only through tapping (without needles, fortunately).
4- I think things like switchings also keep metals blocked as we often have switchings on the places that have long term troubles (organs that had been infected or meridians that got 'sick'). Treating switchings helped too, I feel.
5- I did photon wave, another type of photon therapy with heavy metal vials through the eyes, and I did feel it moved metals too, as I had herx-like reactions after each session.
6- My PE1, I believe, helps to move metals only with Nogier, but also with the help of homeopathic vials of metals. I also used Nurse Andi's vial, but I can't remember exactly how (through photons, I suppose?). I need to go back to my notes.
7- The saliva dilutions unblocked other pockets probably because my body started to recognize some of the metals as being 'garbage'. I'm not done with it yet though.
8- Sanum treatments to get rid of fungi / candida also help as these infections love to live with heavy metals. I feel like while we kill parasites or candida and help our body to eliminate debris, it's like doing metal detox...
But I still test for the KPU... I wonder if I wouldn't add the KPU to my item 1 above, only as a sophisticated oral chelator protocol...
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Joey, I think Gigi did this heavy metal detox treatment with photons, if I remember well.
It would be interesting to test my heavy metal vials now AGAIN, BEFORE I start on the KPU, just to see if the fact that my body is not allergic to mercury, if it can FLUSH it out only with homeopathic dilutions THROUGH photons...
I'm too tired today to do that though, as it's almost midnight now. It would be too easy to be true...
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Shimmy, I use the DesBio Systemic Drainage in a vial, every time I photon. The times I have not, I get congested lymph and other herx symptoms.
I have not tried the products that Selma suggests for detox, but so far her ideas that I have tried have been all great for me.
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I want to try the camphora remedy, but can't find the pure substance or the preparation around here yet. I'll keep looking around.
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Joey, I seem to be clear of the major lyme and coinfection bugs, all but maybe some Babesia, but still have CFS.
I'm still working on some major fungal issues. I tend to wonder if these came first along with mercury amalgams, and made me more susceptible to lyme and co's.
My adrenals bounce back, and then tank again with fungal treatment herx, then continue to improve. It can be an hourly or daily thing, and usually comes with fibro pain.
So far I've made good progress with photons and DesBio FNG, also from a homemade remedy from a house mold sample, and I've started with some Sanum products. I'd hate to tell you the before and afters, but the progress is good.
So far I am a firm believer in doing something to help the body recognize the things we are trying to eliminate.
My response is much more rapid when the "sensitivity" issue is addressed first. I'm excited for your possibilities having finished AI.
I think Sanum is going to hold the key for dealing with fungals. And as Selma said, killing fungals releases metals.
My answers for clearing out metals continue to be chlorella, MSM, garlic, and sweat and exercise.
Gentle little flower remedies are the most powerful kick butt treatments I could possibly imagine for clearing emotional patterns. I'm hovering over an oldy but goody myself right now.
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At first I could only do seconds of lightworks. This week I did 20 minutes PE1 level 10. That's what I tested for, and it was good.
I used it with Nogiers while treating with nosodes. I find I don't need the Nogiers for nosodes, but they are an added bonus to the organs and connective tissues.
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What is photon field reading, I wonder. I think I see or sense photon fields naturally, and that's why I was drawn to this therapy. I don't know.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Could we move away from the Gigi/Bionic controversy here?
Perhaps someone should start a new topic about `What is the truth about the Bionic and AI treatments?' Perhaps that would an avenue where people could post their concerns and negative experiences for all to read and see. Maybe some of those folks who feel they were harmed by the Bionic treatment will step forward there.
That way, if emotions or behavior get out of control - and most of us have seen that all too often in the past - it would be much easier for the Moderators to step in and restore order. (And in a worst case scenario, THAT will be the thread that gets deleted by the Moderators and not THIS thread. Let's have a little consideration for our fellow posters here who have spent time and effort posting what they hope might be helpful to others.)
Okay, back on track here.
Bejoy, it seems that this allergy/sensitivity issue can run in 2 directions: Either a hyper-reaction to a substance or pathogen, or a hypo-reaction where the body doesn't recognize a problem when it should. Both are inappropriate responses by the body.
Good to know about being careful when treating someone else. This properties of this light stuff just amazes me.
Since acupuncture points seem to be important here, this may be sort of related........ I ran across some information compiled by Dr. Auguste Weihe, a French homeopath..... he mapped out correlations between specific remedies and certain small points of pain on the bodies of patients. These are called Weihe Points (or Points of Weihe). This immediately made me think of the odd `tender points' that are used to `diagnose' Fibromyalgia patients! And what would photons do on these points?
Copies of original drawings showing the corresponding Weihe Points/remedies have been scanned and are available online. The remedy names are not always easy to read, but I found the concept rather fascinating. I don't know enough about acupuncture meridians to know if there is a correlation. If anyone is interested, let me know and I can dig out my links. The basic index to the anatomical drawings is in French, but I just used Google translator and saved the page (somewhere, lol).
R62, I like the idea of' balance' that your (one) practitioner is using. This makes so much sense to me.
Congratulations on your new `healthy' label! The past couple of years must seem like a dream to you now.....
Selma, what was the remedy and potency you used on the ants? I'd love to know that one........
Selma, if you can find a remedy to spray on clothes to repel ticks - that would be SO AMAZING! If you found one for ants, maybe you can for ticks! Wohoo!
Thanks, Selma, for your comment about the ability of homeopathics alone to heal Lyme. It CAN be done, although I'm not sure the current knowledge of homeopathy is sufficient for it to happen in every case. Too many pathogens, too many body mistunements, too many miasms - all these confuse the picture and choice of remedies for the average homeopath.
On the Camphora D200, you said you use this for `rubbing' only. So, did you order this as a liquid remedy, or make a liquid remedy yourself?
I'm looking at the Pyroluria thing, too.....
Is there more than one KPU protocol? Could someone provide a link so I don't have to chase it down?
Could the `photon field' be comparable to the `aura' field?
Good points about the subconscious conflicts, Joey. I think this must be key.
Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) about did me in.... I had no idea what I was messing with. My heart still isn't right. I may have to try my `ALA Remedy' after all... use caution, caution, caution with ALA.....
Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Hi Selma & Bejoy thnx for ur replies!
I dont know about the Heel products but they sound very interesting and the same for the camphora too..
Bejoy your post is very interesting as I have longstanding fungal & adrenal issues too and I know that fungal infections can put great strain on the adrenals, again I think its chicken & egg situation with cortisol and fungus..
I do suspect that in my case mercury & candida led to me being suscetible to CFS/lyme too, as I had had candida issues all throughout my teens, partly due to poor diet, and this was many yrs prior to me getting ill with CFS ... and I also had a few mercury fillings so I know my immune system was already under some stress and there were signs of weakness showing before I came down with CFS, which was eventually triggered by vaccines.
I'm hoping as I continue to chelate my fungal issues will be sorted out once and for all..
Its great to hear that the Desbio products have been so effective for you and its also interesting to hear your thoughts on the Sanum products too.
Best wishes.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
You're welcome, Shimmy.
I'm starting on the KPU protocol as soon as the supplements arrive. Again, another protocol for metal detox, let's see what is the outcome. It seems it is a powerful protocol though.
I had asked if Depyrrol homoepathic would be of any help, and got NO. So it's got to be the real substances!!
In fact, I don't know what kind of improvement of symptoms I can have with this KPU protocol, but I can test that with my daughter that is still not out of the microbial soup.
She's much better, but she still gets infections active here and then. I know she is still allergic to things like chemicals, so I guess I could see outcomes more with her now, than with myself. Let's see!
I'm going to try to convince hubby to do that. He IS certainly loaded with heavy metals, as he never really took chelators (only chlorella as binder).
--- Tracy, the Weihe points... Good to know a crazy doc was using points of the body for intake of homeopathy, if I understood well? This is sooo interesting!
It makes me think and re-think our bodies as energetic beings, not simply a large amount of skin and hair.
It has some correlation to the way nosodes THROUGH photons work, it seems! The homeopathy alone has small impact for very sick guys, I believe, IN COMPARISON to homeopathy through photons.
Very sick guys probably have a sick photon field (aura, whatever you want to call it, I guess the best name is still photon field as it is MEASURABLE with instruments, while aura is more woo woo stuff).
Homeopathy acts in this field, at least, I believe so. If the field itself is sick and weak, the homeopathic information is not as strong to heal IN COMPARISON to homeopathy with photon boosting!!
That is my impression.
Would you have the drawings of Weihe? I got the description of points, but it would be SO MUCH easier to SEE the points in drawings! It would be great!!!
I was only testing 3 points, solar plexus, mediastinum and 3rd eye for intake thought photons, but most simple homeopathics don't test there, usually.
Now that I see Weihe has done an extensive list of homeopathic products AND the correspondent accupuncture points, well, THAT GETS VERY INTERESTING!!
I will CERTAINLY try to find out if the homeopathics that test for me in the future could be taken through these Weihe points, WITH the help of photons!!!
People that haven't used the photons can't imagine what kind of technology this is, in relation to BOOSTING homeopathic messages in the body.
It makes a whole difference, like comparing taking one sip of wine or taking the whole bottle of wine. Whatever therapeutic effects you want to get from wine(!), it makes a huge difference.
It seems like a whole field of therapy in itself is open (homeopathy alone is huge, then coupled with accupuncture and meridians in TCM that is another huge field...). Fascinating!
If Weihe is right, and if photons can help those homeopathics to be taken through these accu points, well, this could be a big hit for homeopathy!
Ferrum metalicum C30, against small insects (sort of plant lice, I think in English)...
I am not sure what I used for the ants now... I guess it was Berberis D15. I keep trying things, and I didn't take notes this time. If not Berberis, it could be Abrotanum D4.
Let the ants come back again, and I can re-test them. So far, no trace of ants. They are really gone. My impression though is that each species tests different! At least, they tested different for plants as repellents, so I suspect the same for homeopathic repellents?
I got 3 dead ticks from my daughter last week, in a bottle with alcohol. They test pathogen free, luckily. When I ask, Senega LM4 comes as tick repellent. My lyme doc seems it is VERY possible to find insect repellents through homeopathy.
I'm only afraid to spray my daughter with homeopathics as she will get treated with it. But I was thinking on clothes, that could help... And anyway, Senega is testing for these 3 ticks. Whatever other species of ticks, I wonder if they will be repelled by a single homeopathic.
The safest product so far I found as tick repellent was the borrelia LM6. At least, we have not caught any new borrelial infection since being on them. But 'clean' ticks or ticks with OTHER pathogens than borrelia still bite us.
I thought I could reproduce the experiment taking bartonella nosodes in LM dilutions, but unfortunately, it doesn't work like that... I don't think that ticks containing bart would stop biting us with bartonella nosodes... Unfortunatelly, because many ticks have bart.
I ordered Camphora in granules, 200K. I could have ordered it in liquid, but I find granules more stable than liquid. Then I dilute it again into a sort of 201 C dilution, add alcohol and apply.
--- Sorry to know about your heart, Tracy. Crossing fingers for you.
KPU, I guess you got to go to the other thread. --
Joey,
Intracellular detox, the NDF Plus does that. If I'm not mistaken even, cilantro does that. ALA. Phospholipid exchange, I guess it does too. I also wonder if nanonised chlorella, nanonized zeolites wouldn't do the job.
I also think that anything that is turned into homeopathic dilutions can go intracellular: the chlorella homeopathic, cilantro homeopathic, MSM homeopathic for example.
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
Tracy, sorryyou're still troubled by the heart symptoms.
Mine too have come to a big crisis [beginning of last week]: even had to cancel our precious holiday to Corsica.
In the early hours of Sunday, when we should have been getting up to go to the airport, I was in Casualty [A and E] having an ECG! Oh, the ironies of life!
Anyway, mine turns out to be thyroxicosis [causing palpitations, sinus arrhythmia, faintness etc], quite severe, though have been on the same dose for years;
so I wanted to ask if YOU are on thyroid meds and whether this could be a culprit for you, as we have had similar symptoms.
My doctor thinks my thyroid may have started to work again, perhaps due to antibiotic treatment.
Hope you can get to the bottom of this soon,
Carry
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Thanks for your feedback, Selma. I know you've had success with the Borrelia b. nosode to prevent Borrelia infection.... but as you say, these dirty ticks carry so much more than Borrelia.....
Yes, I found Dr. K's KPU protocol this morning.......
I'll dig out the link(s) to the drawings of the Weihe Points/ remedies......
Carry, I was so sorry to hear that you missed your vacation because of your heart issues. I read that earlier and meant to post to you.
Gosh, it would be wonderful if your thyroid starting working better on its own, wouldn't it? (Though the way you had to find out has been pretty scary.) I'd say that is a good indication of something positive that has changed.
So, how much did they reduce your thyroid medication dose? Was it pretty far off? Did they say you should see improvement in the heart department fairly quickly?
I hope you get rapid resolution of the problem, and can reschedule your vacation.... sounds like a wonderful trip was planned.
I do have some thyroid issues, though I'm not on thyroid meds. And there was a definite heart reaction to the Alpha Lipoic Acid that I can't ignore.
A non-cancerous `cold nodule' (area of inactivity) was discovered on my thyroid back in 2000..... my doc at the time put me on a small amount of Armour thyroid (bovine thyroid hormone) to see if the cold nodule might shrink, see if thyroid might help my constipation, dry skin, fatigue, low body temp., etc. I increased my intake based on taking my temperature several times a day.
All went well for awhile, and then I began to have heart palpitations from taking any Armour thyroid. So, I haven't been able to take any thyroid since - it's probably been 5 years since I even tried to. And I never had another scan done of my thyroid either.
Just a few weeks ago, a small cyst was discovered on my thyroid during an ultrasound of the carotid arteries in my neck. The doc thought the cyst was something different than the cold nodule, but wasn't sure. And my annual bloodwork reveals that my TSH levels keep dropping slightly, which makes docs think everything is wonderful. But it isn't. I've gained 20 pounds, my bowels are barely functioning, I'm dried up inside and out, and I'm colder than I've ever been.
I probably should have my thyroid scanned, but I feel like I'm just going to get caught up in the `medical madness' again, with partial answers, treatments I can't tolerate or radical approaches like removing my thyroid altogether. That was strongly suggested when the cold nodule was discovered.
(My carotid arteries looked fine, BTW. The reason for the scan is that I have a very strong pulse and sort of a bulge around the carotid artery on the left side of my neck but a very soft, light pulse on the R side. But since my carotids look good, the doc just smiles and sends me on my way. No attempt to explain this any further, though he said earlier that the pulses should be fairly equal. This is why I go see a `medical' doctor so seldom. I'm usually no better off than when I started, but my wallet is a lot lighter.)
Gee, sorry for the rant there, and the long answer to your question, though my thyroid issues are a bit outside the box.
I hope you are feeling better already!
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
I thought the Weihe Points were intriguing, too, Selma.
As you probably discovered, Auguste Weihe lived in the 18th century..... and it seems that perhaps one of the key indications for using the Weihe Points is that there is some PAIN when that point is pressed. Here's what one homeopath wrote about it recently on a forum:
quote:If you know the body landmarks of the abdomen, thorax and spine, you can find the points. The landmarks are the bony parts that are easy to palpate. There is nothing to it except when the points are sensitive to pressure, that is added information suggesting that that remedy might be relevant to the case. ..... A lack of sensitivity probably does not mean the remedy won't work. I am not sure, but like most homeopathic information, the information is meant to be used only as supportive evidence and as an elimination device [for other remedies].
Here's the index page for the Weihe Point drawings. http://homeoint.org/books4/weihe/index.htm Though it is in French, if you go down to the links/buttons below the word `Atlas', those are the drawings of various body areas. Here is the Index in English:
Publications: Chapter I: Introduction to "points of Weihe" by Dr. Robert S�ror Chapter II: Directory of points of Dr. Augustus Weihe by Dr. Robert S�ror Chapter III: How I knew the points of Weihe by Dr. Paul Chiron Chapter IV: Points painful homeopathic remedies by Dr. Andr� Rouy Chapter V: Clinical and therapeutic value by Dr. Fortier-Bernoville. Atlas: Head and neck left by Dr. Jean Daniaud. Head and neck right by Dr. Jean Daniaud. Region back by Dr. Jean Daniaud. Spine by Dr. Jean Daniaud. Chest, face by Dr. Jean Daniaud. Thorax left by Dr. Jean Daniaud. Right chest by Dr. Jean Daniaud. Abdomen by Dr Jean Daniaud. Dorsal region by Dr. Fortier-Bernoville. Right chest by Dr. Fortier-Bernoville. Abdomen by Dr. Fortier-Bernoville. Thorax by Dr. Andr� Rouy.
Here are some `interactive' drawings of the Weihe Points/ remedies so you can zoom in on certain areas. I'm not sure how many of them are included here - it's been awhile since I looked at all of these: http://www.harper.to/homoeopathy/weihe_points.html
By all means, Selma - let me know what you think about these Points, and if they seem to have any use with or without photons!
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
Well, Tracy, you certainly do have thyroid issues!
In answer to your question, I am to take only a tiny amount of T3 [10 mcg], which is shorter-lived in the system] for several weeks, and then slowly build up the thyroxine in 25 mg increments.
In my research, I see that Levothyroxine contains lactose, which may be contributing towards my bloating.
Have you read about a product called Thyroid Throu [Chinese herbs]? It is quite an expensive programme that claims to 'unblock' the thyroid over a period of months, supposed to be for hyper- and hypothyroid people.
I can't make any claim for it personally, of course.
I know what you mean about the cold: I've had very cold extremities for 20 years, but, like you, am colder now than ever [though it doesn't prevent terrible bouts of night sweats!].
I do agree that ALA is to be taken with caution, especially with heavy metal problems, though it has some vg actions too.
Hope you can get somewhere with both the thyroid and heart issues,
Carry
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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Tracy is your body recognizing T3?
You could try NMT.MD
Find a practioner and tell them you want that pathway cleared and see what they say.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Leslie Feinberg on using language to restore communication between the cells
NMT is a proprietary system of health care developed by Dr. Leslie S. Feinberg of Oregon, and is a result of his many years of studying the multitude of methods of energetic medicine. In 2002, a breakthrough in his research resulted in the creation of a powerful system of healing based on the marriage of accepted principles of western science with Traditional Chinese Medicine concepts.
NMT is directed at re-establishing the body's innate capacity to heal. When illness happens, it is often a result of factors that confuse the body's internal control center, the Autonomic Control System (ACS), making it impossible to regulate the body to a healthy state.
Some of the factors affecting the ACS include allergies, toxic agents, confusion in the autonomic nervous system, errors in sensitivity settings, environmental chemicals and pernicious synaptic patterns (PSP's). Dr. Feinberg defines PSP's as errors in recording of data in the nervous system that compromise regulation of body function. They are patterns of reacting set in the body, based on past experience and family patterns.
Leslie Feinberg's NMT, Neuromodulation Technique, is one of the most elegant and efficient pathways to healing developed to date. Working with consciousness at the quantum level, NMT helps create clear communication between the cells of the body, By reinstituting proper communication between the cells, the natural healing systems of the body can progress without impediment.
Feinberg says that NMT uses language from the practitioner directly to the client's body to determine where the breakdown in information systems is taking place. Using NMT protocols, the practitioner works with the quantum healing forces of the body to gain cooperation from the areas of the body, mind and soul that have fallen out of communication and the healing process follows - sometimes surprisingly quickly.
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To find an MNT practitioner near you or to become a licensed practitioner, visit Dr. Feinberg's website at www.nmt.md Posted by shimmy (Member # 15883) on :
Interesting points on the photon field Selma.
When my crystal therapist first dowsed my whole body she said my aura was completely lobsided, very little on my left side but very wide on the right side. Also that it had holes in it all over the place. She said that she had not come across anything like it before apart from with people who smoke pot ... (I dont smoke!)
It was the same a few weeks ago too ... no change but it will be interseting to get tested again with the recent improvements Ive had from tackling the worms. Also I wonder if the saliva remedy will affect it..
I dont know if its true or not but she does seem quite gifted with the things she picks up so I kind of believe her.
She feels metals are the underlying problem with me.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Photon Field. After my sister had her NDE. She had a photo take of her leaning down to her daughter cupping her face.
She glowed golden in the photo. She firmly believes this is energy and not a photo mishap. I dont know how it could be (a mishap) because it was only her that had this golden light eminating from her, though I dont know how a camera could capture that either.
I'm reading Past Lives Past Masters and the light was recalled as a Healing Light.
Interesting to consider.
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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
My son's aura was lopsided. I saw this one. First and last time to date to see auras.
I wasnt sure what it meant until I read Adam's book, Dream Healer. Its impacted energy if these kinds of things can be generalized.
The holes, my sister said I had. She got them in certain charka areas. She could feel holes and sharp spikes as well. Not sure what it means. This was before diagnosis and treatment.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Has anyone looked into David Jernigans book?
He is using hers/flowers to balance the body as treatment for lyme and company.
Best I can tell, thats his treatment along with addressing ammonia and toxin removal, cleanses.
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
I like the ideas behind his products, but used several bottles of Neuro-antitox without noticing anything...but that may just be ME!
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Leslie Feinberg, founder of NMT, is talking about the consciousness of the practioner being a key element.
He talks of energetic vials and the ability of the body to recognize as confirmed by muscle testing.
When the practioner was aware of the contents of the vial, the knowledge transferred to the "client." When not aware, the transference was not scientifically significant.
I hope you all follow the link and can find an hours worth of time to listen. Ive been hitting the interview 10 minutes or so here and there.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Tracy, thanks a lot for the link!!! I'll take a closer look later, but thanks thanks. Much easier to know like that. The painful points, it's a bit like in accupuncture, we do feel pain in the points we need to treat, USUALLY, but not always.
I wouldn't take anything like real hormones or chemicals to correct any gland, but will try to go with homeopathy. Homeopathic T3 or any other sarcoides... but that's me.
Adding hormones, in my feeling, can shut the production by the gland, while homeopathic dilutions can help the gland working BACK again...
Tracy, you do seem to be in trouble... I hope this will go soon. Heart problems suc... Also Carry too. Sorry you lost your vacation for this reason.
Robin, interesing links, the interview is too long, but as you said, to go by bits...
As for aura, many people see it, and the holes or unbalanced shapes. I don't, but I feel it with my hands, it's ALMOST concrete. There's a whole geography around the body. That is also what I treat using the PE1 AROUND my body, not only on skin.
People think I'm crazy, but as we know the photon field go far away from our skin, why not giving some input there?
When dr. K. speaks of closed regulation, he is talking about incoherent photon field. The first thing he does, is to make this photon field be coherent. One doesn't need to see it, there are 'concrete' ways to check that and anyone can learn how to do that.
No need for too many magic treatments. Tapping alone can do wonders and I think that is what accupuncture basically does, it helps to organize body's energies and so, the photon field.
The more I go on with treating myself, the more I feel energy work can help. But it doesn't eliminate the basic treatments of metal detoxing and killing. Toxin elimination, specially heavy metals, can't ever be left aside, to my feeling.
Shimmy, your practioner thinks the same for you, right? I wonder how many of us aren't sick BASICALLY ONLY FOR THAT SINGLE REASON, heavy metal intoxication.
I do wonder if my daughter didn't have the toxic burden I passed to her from birth, if she would ever be allergic as she was. If she would have been so vulnerable to tick born diseases as she was.
I'm investing now on the KPU protocol with her, to see if it will do the 'final work' with her.
I start to have the impression that most treatments I did, about 90% were like correcting the mistakes caused by heavy metals. Correcting hormones, eliminating cysts or fibroids (benign), cancelling allergies, balancing all chakras or accupuncture points, even killing. How the heck the ballet of infections now suddenly stopped?
I keep asking myself and it seems my body reached now a point of toxicity that it can handle, while before, these heavy metals simply couldn't stop messing with my CNS and causing me all sorts of allergies and imbalances, ...
...GI symptoms one after the other, then the infections that added toxicity and made me down the hill with all elimination organs blocked or in trouble, plus the pains on muscles, joints, then brain fog, the rise of parasites, my constant fight with fungi and candida etc.
90% of the treatment was then to go trying to clean the mess, lower symptoms, kill, but while in fact, the main culprit was basically heavy metal toxicity...
These are just my thoughts, but I start to believe on this heavy metal story more and more... I'll put daughter and husband on the KPU too and will let you know. We test for 3 months, each of us in different dosages. I'll let you all know.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Around minute 38, the NMT founder talks about using NMT to treat cavitations and restore bone.
Around minute 27 he starts explaining treatment, though not in detail.
The body is being instructed through very specific language as the practioner muscle tests (or uses a type of EDS) to test the body's response.
I don't mean to sound impatient, which I am:-)... I dont understand why folks dont find this absolutely fascinating.
They are using language, specific language (as we are talking of doing with muscle testing) to bypass the conscious mind to access the unconscious mind to instruct the body, cells.
Quantumly speaking.. remember the experiment where the photons had to shift from particle to wave to mass through the wire mesh? This was the experiment (as I understand) that began Quantum Science.. marked the beginning.. the scientists came to the conclusion that it was the THOUGHTS or AWARENESS of the scientist thats indfluenced the photons. WHEN WE OBSERVE, WE CHANGE REALITY.
Same thing here. The "patient" does not have to comprehend or even hear the instructions to the body.
Is this quackery or right on (I include myself wondering if it is quackery,though I am experimenting with NMT)and are we more comfortable with the idea of ingesting drops of information over ingesting them in the field?
Does the info have to be in water and put into the body?
No.. actually.. just thought of that.. with the photon therapy, we place the vials of homeopathy on the solar plexus, in the field close to the body. Some test to ingest. Some test to place in the field close to the body.
The difference is language.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Selma, all medicine is energy medicine. Its the form that differs, right? Even abx, herbs, they all work to change energy in some way. Its the form, I think.
I also wonder if metals can be addressed with different forms of energy. Like the energetic, regulatory forms as opposed to the chemical forms.
My husband played with mercury as a child. He has two or three amalgams. (I have 4) His father participated in above ground nuclear experiments. I think this was after he was born. His entire family has to have been infected with many TBDs. They lived with ticks, squished then betweent their fingers and then probably stuck their fingers in their eyes, nose, mouth.
They are all in their 50s now and none of them, including my husband who was tested is sick. My husband had several IgMs positive and a low cd 57. His worst symptoms are headaches and muscle pain in his thighs, possibly from sitting all day in front of a computer screen.
Every one of my SILs all tested positive for Bb (not with LLMDS btw)the summer before I was diagnosed. All of them were treated for less than a year and *seem* to be ok. Nothing like what I am going through.
My question beyond why is is this all based on genetics and beyond that the informational system in the body.. how the body is regulated.
I know my whole family is sick. Sister bedridden as I have reported, parents in chronic pain.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
If most of the chelators I took do go intracellular, and yet my metal load hasn't changed much after several months of aggressive chelation, I think the missing link has to be emotional frequencies.
Heavy metals are conductors right? So maybe they have a more direct relationship with emotions than do pathogens. The relationship between pathogens & metals might be more of a purely physiological one..symbiosis for the sake of survival as opposed conductance of energy.
I don't think I'll be trying new chelators. I don't believe it's the chelator that's the problem. I also now believe, as Brussels said, that most of (at least in some of our cases) this disease has to do with toxicity, not pathogens.
In light of my recent evals that showed a very low pathogen load, I'm even more inclined to believe that.
R62--I think it's not that we're not interested. There's always a wall of resistance when it comes to new therapies...and even more so when they're hard to explain. It tooks months for the rage over AI to catch on, and having a long-time veteran of the board propose it helped build momentum.
I'm really interested in it though, and I see no reason why it wouldn't work. The only variable is the practitioner's skill & bias, as is often the case with these types of therapy.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Reposting my post because I added more to it. Something in my mind is cranking away with questions:
Selma, all medicine is energy medicine. Its the form that differs, right? Even abx, herbs, they all work to change energy in some way. Its the form, I think.
I also wonder if metals can be addressed with different forms of energy. Like the energetic, regulatory forms as opposed to the chemical forms.
My husband played with mercury as a child. He has two or three amalgams. (I have 4) His father participated in above ground nuclear experiments. I think this was after he was born. His entire family has to have been infected with many TBDs. They lived with ticks, squished then betweent their fingers and then probably stuck their fingers in their eyes, nose, mouth.
They are all in their 50s now and none of them, including my husband who was tested is sick. My husband had several IgMs positive and a low cd 57. His worst symptoms are headaches and muscle pain in his thighs, possibly from sitting all day in front of a computer screen.
Every one of my SILs all tested positive for Bb (not with LLMDS btw)the summer before I was diagnosed. All of them were treated for less than a year and *seem* to be ok. Nothing like what I am going through.
My question beyond why is is this all based on genetics and beyond that the informational system in the body.. how the body is regulated.
I know my whole family is sick. Sister bedridden as I have reported, parents in chronic pain.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Thanks, Joey.
I am riveted by what you are observing for yourself.
I am reading Past Lives, Past Masters. I am not sure what I think about past lives (leaning in that direction), but.. the concept at least does make me think about present lives and what is genetically, energetically (however: biologically or socially) passed on in the family line.. not just polymorphisms in genes responsible for this or that, but "blocks" and dysregulations.
Add to that my sister's recovery which was all non chemical energetic except for a few herbs here and a colon cleanse.
It just doesnt add up that these pathogens are all that for some people and not all that for other people. Same for toxins.
I agree.. the potential problem is practioner skill and bias. For NMT, I think the script stays the same unless the prationer adds something in that comes up as relevant. I think the bias and skill comes in with the queries.
Since AI is more controlled by blood.. more mechanical in a sense, it is probably more thorough and of course unbiased.
NMT.. has the human element but it also seems to be able to flex to address situations such as regrowing bone in cavitations and possibly addressing the bacteria as well. (if of course it is legitimate)
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
After I got my amalgams out and did some pretty good chelation, metals just have never come up for me again. They should be, by all reports, but they have not whenever I have checked.
I wonder if my problems now have more to do with chemical solvents hiding in the cells. What do you think, Joey? Ever had heavy exposure to solvents?
I used to dip my hands in paint thinner to refinish furniture, silly child.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
(personally I am interested in all three (AI, NMT, Body Talk) as well as a few other modalities, understanding the differences and strengths of each one and how each one might contribute to my healing)
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
This NMT stuff is pretty fascinating, especially in light of your posts about it, R62. Time will tell if the effects are cumulative and permanent.... I guess you will have to be the main Guinea Pig.
I did some checking and as I suspected..... all practitioners are at least 150 miles from me. Not the end of the world, but I'd have to make at least one trip in person.
David Jernigan seems to have some good ideas and products..... but I got turned off by the fact that he charges top retail price for all kinds of supplements that you can get elsewhere far cheaper..... which indicated to me that his `proprietary' products were probably overpriced, too. Maybe that isn't a legitimate reason to boot his protocol out the door, but I just found other avenues that looked better to me anyway.
Joey, you would think that the Progurt would have that Candida on the run, though I know Candida goes everywhere, not just the gut. Are your heavy metal issues connected to, attached to, or bound up with the Candida?
Re thyroid issues: I don't remember what my old tests indicate - I have the tests but they probably wouldn't be applicable now. I know that lower TSH levels don't necessarily mean that the thyroid is producing adequate thyroid - it could mean that the hypothalamus or the pituitary are not functioning properly. Or, I could easily have thyroid hormone resistance, which was the theory my doc and I had many years ago. Then we could factor in some adrenal dysfunction and mineral imbalances. In any case, these are all `part' of the picture, and not necessarily the deepest level of where the problem originates.
It's very difficult for me to look at these problems from both a biochemical standpoint and an energetic standpoint at the same time. Sometimes the data doesn't mesh very well. I guess that's why energetic testing is so helpful.... when in doubt, ask the body. (With the right questions, of course.)
Well, I left a phone message for one of the local BioMeridian practitioners. I think I'll go ahead and get tested. I'm very curious about what it might show. Besides, it's only money and I can afford to gamble $100 at this point. I'm also very curious about what these practitioners sell to treat problems that show up. I've been told that this practitioner DOES NOT use muscle testing, though many of them do. That's actually preferable to me than someone who doesn't muscle test well. So, we'll see.
I've taken several different remedies the past week or so to see if any seemed to touch my bowel issues. I've had no reactions to the remedies at all - none. That's unusual for me. The one I took yesterday was one I was just SURE I would react to - it fits many of my signs and symptoms, not just the bowel issues and I've responded favorably to it in the past in a somewhat higher potency. Well, other than making me a little sleepy before bed and a very, very vague version of my usual `vibrating' sensation, not much is happening.
I'm really wondering if some of the treatments I'm getting at Physical Therapy aren't messing up my body `electronics'! I'm getting electro-stimulation, ultrasound, and some other electro-magnetic therapy (not all at once). It would be worth it if my heel/foot was getting much better, but it isn't. I plan to stop the PT next week. It's expensive.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Tracy--
regarding progurt: No at this point I don't believe it is enough for candida. Maybe for some where the pH imbalance is mainly in the gut, but for those with chronic fatigue, the pH imbalance is often if not always systemic, which will foster systemic candida.
in this case, no amount of probiotics can fix cellular metabolism issues.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Hey Robin, you are right, everything is somehow energy 'remedies'.
My opinion above is just made based on my own experiences. I haven't tried all types of energetic treatments that exist on the market to compare... I'm glad there are people like you that are open enough to try and post!
NAET certainly works for short period (but not for all allergies, and not for everyone). But not for a long time, the allergies may come back (and do come back for many, for us at home many did come back).
Same as for homeopathic dilutions of the allergen, it will not necessarily work (in the same way a nosode has its limitations to 'kill' a pathogen).
I would like to see how a practioner treats with NMT or get a session to know... If I see or experiment concretely, I can have a quick idea of what type of treatment this is. But only with the years we will know if this is really effective or not.
Only then we can compare. What matters is what works. If you feel beter, why not sticking with it?
I'm still experimenting with Bach flowers now and with some sort of energy from the earth (don't ask me details as I can't really explain), but now things are more like a game, and I do that REALLY only like a hobby and to 'learn' something new...
the BAch flowers seem to be indeed powerful and go very inside our 'souls'. They are PERFECT for the phase I am, where there's no more visible sign of disease. Where the whole needs to be addressed. I'm really enjoying getting to know the essences of each flower. Nothing too sophisticated, these are JUST flowers, but with amazing 'properties'.
I've been busy with cleaning the roof this weekend, my body is tired of being crouched, under strong sun, and loads of bad things I sniffed through cleaning the tiles...
Days are so much longer when I'm out of the internet, when I don't need to cook 3 times a day with crazy diets and special products I need to buy in special shops, ingest remedies every 2 hours, tap the whole time, etc.... I even forget to give my daughter chlorella every day, so she's also on a sort of treatment vacation.
I'm not even 'taking' the Bach flowers!! I'm just in a sort of 'communication' with them! Similar to the treatment with nosodes and photons, but WITHOUT the PE1.
I just keep the flowers close to my body and do a sort of massage around my body with it. I don't claim this cures anything, but I'm just experimenting.
I again stoppped testing for the KPU protocol. My supplements haven't yet arrived, but the test vial I got simply stopped testing after the last days energetic experiences. Things are changing because I see I'm breathing deeper. Even the question, 'do I need Depyrrol to detox?' stopped testing...
All due to some type of energy medicine too. I may test later for Depyrrol again but only these 3 treatments I'm donig are enough for the time being (saliva, Bach flowers, and some sort of meditation using the earth energy)... Even magnesium stopped to test these days.
Robin, I remember when I fell so sick that I had an intuition that any disease could be cured with meditation. The only problem is that I was so sick I had no energy to concentrate.
Today I do believe it's possible to cure almost anything (heavy metal intoxication, borrelia, any infection) with meditation.
But the problem is that a sick body can barely do it's daily activities (poop, eat and digest, sleep, breathe well, eliminate well etc) that it gets impossible to meditate in practice. The sicker the body, the most difficult to concentrate and be in peace, at least for me.
I remember a guy in Germany that simply went to a meditation group in Greece to cure his lyme disease. I never heard of him later as he was totally cut from the world, no telephone, not allowed to take any killers not even herbs... I wonder what was the outcome for him. He might be cured or dead, I suppose?? I hope cured!!
Then I got in contact with a lady, who was dying, extremely thin, with seizures many times a day, MCS, under oxygen almost 24/24 to survive... She had lyme and was in the Buhner forum. Once she took a sort of holy water from a sage in India, she said she dropped her oxygen bottle and went for a walk in the woods and sea.
Her husband took a photo of the event (it WAS AN EVENT, that she could climb rocks hours after letting her oxygen bottle...). She was SO thin. But smiling. She still sends me some emails, and hasn't been sick anymore since that day of the photo. I believe her, she got cured from a day to another almost LITERALLY.
I believe her, because I had contact with her before and she still seems to be well now, months after the 'miracle'. No remedies at all. She stopped posting too, no need.
She's back to being in close contact with the forest around her house and in nature, the same nature that made her sick (I mean, ticks in nature).
This means a lot to me, that someone is then not afraid of lyme anymore after having being so sick, close to death like she was. There's inner confidence that there are cures for this awful disease. It's a beautiful story, her story.
I'm not discarding any type of healing that works... I'm just saying that for most of us, that are not so lucky like this lady, that heavy metals seem to be an important issue (whatever the reasons why some seem to hold them more than others, specially women in comparison to men).
I wish I had the holy water to drink! Or that I could meditate for a week or a month to get rid of sickness while I was very sick. I have the impression NOW I could go on such a project of long term meditation.
But before, I think I wouldn't be physically able to have started that. My brain barely worked, I could barely sit as I was sofa ridden, my daughter was not starving but kept crying the whole time because I had no energy for her, so how could I have started meditating to cure me?
I had to go through down-to-earth treatments for that! Loads of killer herbs, homeopathy, cleansers, heavy metal chelators, tapping, etc etc.
It seems both Bach and the earth energy treatment I'm doing are still addressing my pockets of heavy metals TODAY. My saliva too. My previous psychological treatments addressed it too. Neural therapy too. Chelators helped too, but far from enough.
But while infections get addressed 'easily', in my opinion, with various remedies (in comparison to heavy metals), heavy metal pockets inside us are less sensitive to treatments and need a much more sophisticated and comprehensive approach, in my feeling.
I did some quantum-type of treatments for it too, if you consider psychological work this way. I did tapping, I'm doing saliva for it, now I think either Bach or the earth energy is still helping... So ALL quantum treatments, to my view...
While borrelia can go dormant with a single protocol and and single remedy (like this dr. W. protocol), I'm still to see a treatment that addresses mercury in a similar effective way. Dr. K. now is betting on the KPU, but who knows its limitation?
I want to believe that things like NMT are the solution for all, but guys like you have to test for us and report!! I believe everything is quantum energy, but what I can't believe is that all treatments saying uses quantum physics heal everyone. I know many quantum type of treatments, and I just see them as one more instrument for healing.
I MOSTLY use 'quantum' treatments, right? Let's say, the nosodes through photons, homeopathy, accupuncture, psychological tappings, talk to past lives (whatever that tests for me...), suggestions with sort of 'magic' words, trasmitting treatments from one person to antoher without touching the person, etc etc.
All the time, I use some sort of quantum techniques, even if no one believes. Even suggestions, words in my mind that I want to talk to someone else to send healing, etc... Aura massages, even if the person is not present.
But I know I'm limited. I know I am unlimited entity in the quantum world, but I'm just a limited person trying to help myself and other people, in a limited Newtonian type of world. So are my practioners, so are my ozone injections in my cavitation...
My practioner is in quantum world for ages I think. He looks at me and say a word like 'sadness', or 'you got to talk to your husband' or similar things. He sees the aura around my body, and keeps telling me, treat this part, that part because the color or shape is not good. But he still uses ozone injections in my cavitations. Before that, he still asked me to pull off my teeth.
Before the KPU, he was still building metal detox protocols for every one of his patients.
My only rule of the thumb is 'stick with what works', no matter what it is. I wished there were holy water all over for all of us, so that we wouldn't need to spend time and money with so many types of treatment. But I'm 'almost' sure that the same holy water that healed the lady above will not heal every person with lyme disease. Any quantum healing technique is also limited, like non-quantum treatments, fortunately and unfortunately...
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I'm really just grasping at straws, Selma. I don't have doctors knowledgeable enough to address these more progressive treatments.
One LLMD I had just gives abx. Suggests burbur, maybe chlorella. Suggested none of these to my husband, just had him on abx for a year until he developed cdiff. Now he is on transfer factor, but he's not very symptomatic. The treatment did not put a dent in the symptoms he does have. I left that doctor when I lost 30 lbs in a few months and crashed. My gut was a total wreck. He told me flat out he didnt believe in systemic yeast when I told him I had fungal patches on my legs, which I did. Wanted me off myers cocktails because certainly I could get the magnesium from pills.
One LLMD has a handful of alternatives up his sleeve and can order tests my other doctor would not. I left him too.
My alternative doctor (today) has biases and will not test for antibiotics at all. I'm not sure of her muscle testing, dont trust it because of that.
My new allopath is the sweetist doctor I have even met and will order any test I ask of her. Wonderful, compassionate, but she does not know what to do beyond abx therapy. She told me I know more than she does and is extremely supportive.
I do not know how to energetically test myself well. I try, but I just cant get a hold of it. So I guess, and that would be fine if I had some sort of instinctual feel that I could trust. Goodness knows I have files and files of information literally in files and in my head, but I dont know what to do with it.
I have my sister as a glaring example of someone who gave up on medicine because she had to. She was on 30 prescription meds at one point. She eventually gave up, I mean on the medical profession. She had a stroke in eary 30s and a NDE. I'm not willing to have a NDE experience to get better. I am not willing to be bedridden, lose the use of a leg, lose time and pass out constantly, deal with wildly fluctuating pulse and BP so bad that the lead in the field of dysautonomia diagnosed her with the most severe forms of it. Severe narcolepsy where she was frozen n bed and unable to attend to her children.. and just imagine being frozen in bed.. unable to move but your mind is alert. This also happened to her in her car once, fortunately while parked. She learned to count down from 100 until her body released. I cannot imagine the strength that took. She said if she paniced, it made it worse. I'm not willing to go that far to have a miraculous healing like she did.
This is the most frustrating, scary, life sucking illness.. not that others are not, but this one sure can be.
I wish I knew how to do i/4 what you do. I feel stuck and hopeless some days.
I gravitate toward these quantum-like therapies because something in me (possibly something really stupid and naive) will not go for the long term abx treatment. It feels very wrong for me. And I know that people do heal.. I've seen that first hand. How frustrating is that? To have a sister that did heal in a miraculous way and not be able to touch it. Yet to know.. yes,, it there, its possible.
I need someone to tell me it gets better this way and that way. I dont know when to do what. When to do this herb or that abx or what. I dont know if toxins or pathogens are causing this or that. I just know after 12 days of flagyl, my body fell apart and has not been the same since. I have the dreaded gene, the chronic of chronics gene, I dont methylate properly, I am missing a glutathione gene. Why the heck am I still alive? Why dont I just get with the program and take the blasted abx and push through it?
At this point, I dont know what works for me. I am lost. The NMT did though seem to raise my temp and stop my hair from falling out.:-)
I have a pile of tests from holistic heal that cost me almost 2000$. I cant bring myself emotionally to get them out and start the process. Its overwhelming. The process is overwhelming. The idea that I paid amost 2000$ is overwhelming. And I dont know if I am doing the right thing.
I wish I could muscle test, use the pendulum, trust my instincts, had a doctor who felt comfortable treating me when we find out the results. I feel stranded.
I cant tell a herx from a flare. I dont know if I am coming or going. Two years this fall and I feel like I am at the beginning and no savior doctor by my side.
Bad night.
Posted by n.northernlights (Member # 17934) on :
Joey, I was thinking about you when I read in a blog that lots of other bloggers post about something newish (well, not absolutely new) about cfs.
Professor Kenny de Meirleir and his team has been researching ME here and now they announced that they have a urine test, and that there are bacteriae that make H2S in the gut, and that causes lots of things, and the accumuation of mercury, and there is a very leaky gut, because og lack of energy or something, and on top of it all there are prions that they found that add to it all.
These prions are quite contagious.(according to several comments on websites) I was thinking what about homeopathics + light for prions, but then one must get ahold of homeopathic prions and the gut bacteriae that make H2S...
Lots of people on the forums here have been to see Meirleir, or he has come home to them if theya re too ill.
Yeah I've considered getting checked for prions, but even in the study it was showing up in only the severest 20% of patients. I might test myself energetically test for it when I get the vial though.
The study is illuminating, but more for political purposes (legit diagnosis & pathophysiology) than treatment. Most alternative doctors that are up to snuff already know we have plenty of hydrogen disulfide release, and not just from one type of bacteria & heavy metals but as a result of all our bugs, toxins, metals, & genetic polymorphisms. This is a downstream effect, not causative.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Just a note, as the prions are present in high amounts in saliva of the very sick ME people, I suspect that a good saliva nosode will do something to correct it!!You just got to find the right dilution to use.
It's 'funny' to read that ME is so similar to fibromyalgia that is so similar to lyme...
Glad to know this Belgian doc is using microbial killers to fight ME. Finally!! I know a woman with ME in Belgium, she's so young, mother of a child, but unable to take care of him. I don't think her doc ever used microbials to treat her ME.
She looked at me in surprise when I simply suggested her to try some microbial killers (herbs) as though I made no sense.
If the gut is THE problematic point for ME sufferers, I guess what we've been 'proposing' here (parasite cleanse, allergy elimination, killing bad pathogens, eliminating heavy mercury in the gut and overall) is already a VERY good starting point for ME treatment too?
I'm really wondering if the same issues (sick gut, excess of toxins, bad pathogens, excess of allergies and sensitivities...) are not the main cause of cancer too...
Since I started visiting LN, I've seen so many lyme sufferers saying they got cancer that it DOES make me think. --
Robin, I hope you are feeling better. I sent you a PM a few days ago.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Very sorry you feel a bit overwhelmed, Robin. I know what it's like when you don't have a practitioner to work with that has all the qualities you need. It sounds like you have some mixed feelings about abx, too..... I guess I look at it as a `last resort' treatment. But it's still an option, of sorts, and I don't get too panicky as long as I have options. At this point, I've got to keep things pretty simple - there's too much that my brain and body won't tolerate right now. There seem to be too many things going haywire..... so, I'll see what the BioMeridian testing comes up with, and what the `treatment' consists of. It will either be enlightening or confusing..... it could go either way for me.
(BTW, I have an appointment on July 1st with the BioMeridian person. It's going to take 2.5 hours. Sheesh! And it's $150.00, not $100.)
Selma, Robin - thanks for sharing these stories. I love to hear these accounts of `spiritual' healings, of methods that go beyond the physical body. I've witnessed or experienced too many events myself to doubt the reality of these `miracles'.
We live in a supernatural world, but have little understanding of that world. As humans, we seek control over our existence as a means to attain `security' in our lives. Thus, we attempt to explain our experiences by reducing them to simple mechanical processes which can be altered or manipulated by us. But clearly these `miraculous healings' show us that illness does not lie solely in the physical realm (as we understand it).
Personally, I tend to believe that though we have found `cures' for so many killer diseases of the past - Syphilis, Plague, Tuberculosis, etc. - we only cured the physical manifestation of these diseases. The diseases of today are still those same diseases, but now they are in a more energetic form. They exist on a level that science and medicine don't understand or acknowledge (and they have no desire to!).
I'm all for physical medicine that addresses the biochemical malfunctions of the body. I just don't want to see it forced upon the world as the ONLY acceptable option for getting well. That's manipulation of the worst and most dangerous kind. We will all pay for that polarity of thinking, and so will our kids.
Speaking of polarity..... Joey, yes I see what you mean about a systemic pH problem. The whole `cellular polarity' and systemic pH issue is linked to mineral imbalance, I'm just sure of it. Heavy metals and anaerobic issues are in there, too. Cellular dehydration is a result in my case. I just am not sure exactly which came first...... the old chicken-or-egg problem.
I'm sure that years and years of drinking distilled water had something to do with all this for me...... I washed out too many intrinsic minerals and it isn't quite so simple to add them back. It's like my cells learned to function with a deficiency - which compromised a lot of normal processes - and I'll have to `teach' it to revert back to a more normal way of doing business.
I've never been exposed to the Bach flower essences. Bejoy certainly seems to think they are powerful. I don't know anyone personally who has benefited from them. But I also wonder if you need your physical system `cleaned up' before you can fully experience what the flower essences have to offer.....?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Good luck Tracy with your biomeridian practioner! Crossing fingers for you. I hope your heart issues have slowed down now and that you are able to try new treatments!
Interesting point about diseases boing more energetic now than in the past. I never thought about that....
Mineral imbalance... I guess that's the theory behind the KPU protocol? I would add some electrolyte imbalance to the theory too, I suppose...
Talking about energy and KPU, I don't test for it anymore. My body tests with a big negative now for Depyrrol and so does my daughter.
She stopped needing chlorella and ALL other cleansers, so suddenly. I wonder what did that, I'll post about it as soon as I understand better.
We even DIDN'T start taking Depyrrol, and I had already ordered a 3 month full protocol for all 3 of us at home. They will sit in the closet when they arrive....
As for the Bach flowers... I guess you are right, a bit like homeopathics, I feel they are more efficient the better you get. The better you get, you feel their effect stronger, I feel.
Or maybe they work in different ways depending of the stage of disease you are (same flower essence doing different things?).
I had a WONDERFUL experience today with water violet, it was a whole 30 minute experience, one of the best I felt with a plant, I think.
I'll send you an email to tell about it, Tracy.
Yes, I am also FOR physical medicine and biochemical 'corrections'. We all have used this medicine for a purpose or another, right?
The same way bichemical remedies help some but don't help others, miracle cures apply too. Some will get miracle cures while others will NEVER get one!!!
Until we wait to get a full miracle cure (that may never come for most of us, unfortunately), we gotta try everything IN BETWEEN to get well!!!
Biochemical medicine, chiropratic work, energy medicine, praying, holy water, whatever feels 'right' or meaningful. What matters is to keep improving, in my view.
In a way, homeopathy is for me a miracle. It is amazing what it does, the way it does. Same for accupuncture. When I see what people that did the Bionic keep reporting about putting borrelia either dormant or very low profile SO FAST, it makes me really feel a sort of wonder.
No biochemical treatment so far can reach what homeopathy through photons accomplish for borrelial infections, not in such a fast pace, for what I understood. Isn't that also a miracle?
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Thank you Tracy and Selma for your well wishes. Tracy.. I'm all ears! Cant wait to hear of your experiences with the biomeridian.
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I had my second zyto scan. I dont have the numbers in front of me. Here is the general gist:
Dont have the numbers yet. Just a general report.
Lyme and company are not my major stressor this month or last month. Brucella did show up as the major of the lyme clan, but it seems again, as with last month, gut is the focus and that has improved with OLE. We shall see how much when I look at the numbers.
I hve what looks like inflammed nerve endings and still ammonia issues. The report indicated that my problems are more bio-chemical than emotional .. not sure what other measures where included in this panel, possibly pathogens. This supports looking more deeply into the yasko tests.
Immunity, lymph, nerve rots, strep in nose and gut.
This seems like a good tool for assisting what to focus on. When pathogen killers were put in, there was no improvement in balance. The improvement came with charcoal and horsetail (for ammonia most likely)and a digestive enzyme with pancreatin. OLE tested well as did GSE, noni and cats claw. Only not all at once, just options.
I think I understood that pancreas and ammonia/sulfur somehow play a role with each other.. not sure. ??
Spine C1-C8 have issues which can be bacterial but we did not get into that or I missed it..
Oxalates came up as a high stressor.. this can cause pains in joints. I hope NMT will address this for me.
I am having a hard herx on vitamin A, OLE, and transfer factors lymeplus and EB (virus) and a retrovirus homeopathic. We found indications of HTLV-1 retrovirus (which can inflam lining of brain) and EBV first zyto. Not sure those numbers with the second. Hard to get it all on phone without looking at numbers.
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I'm sorry for the post above. I hit a little bottom.
I have a slew of yasko tests here to take to take a look at the bio chemical aspect.
I am not testing (per zyto) for the methylation protocol.. either I am not ready for it or I dont need it. My COMT++ indicates I would. We shall see as we move on.
Something is not right. I didnt feel this way two years ago. I am fortunate to have the help I do..
I just get tired of all the work to piece this together. I cant just take abx. I realize my issues are more than that.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
What does dormant Bb look like on a zyto scan? Is it a zero or a low insignificant stressor number?
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Tracy the recommendations for broths etc sound very familiar to the GAPS diet. Have you looked into that? Bone broths are used for minerals. I bet this helps with hydration.
CFS Dr. Cheney has a drink he recommends for blood volume that is equal parts no salt (potassium) and sea salt.
GAPs has you live off of stews, bone broths, homemade apple sauce with ghee (its really good), then move into juiced carrots adding more veges to juice as your gut improves. Sounds also like a good way to hydrate and very similar to what Gigi is talking about over on the AI thread.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Robin and for all, I agree R62 that ammonia is a big issue. Part of the problems we experience is our chemical make-up as we push to homeostasis and to becoming symptom free. I've been supplementing with l-citrulline specifically for ammonia reduction.
This amino acid seems to fly below the radar. But I believe it is extremely important to supplement. I've noticed great benefit from it in a little over a week of using it.
My believe is based on experience of using it to reduce ammonia and at the same time increasing nitric oxide. I've reasoned that if nitric oxide vasodilates arteries it is essentially putting fluids in the cells lining the artery walls. Which I believe translates into hydration. I also think once hydration has occurred in the artery walls it increases the arteries ability to push blood through. By increasing blood flow you increase the transfer of O2 into the body. And we all know the importance of O2 in maintaining the balance of friendly bacteria to pathogenic bacteria.
Just a thought, if you feel dizzy or have lots of headaches, isn't the cause poor circulation? Maybe this is how we can tell we don't have enough nitric oxide in the body.
I've been taking a lot of cayenne pepper before meals in water. I can tolerate about 1/4 teaspoon before meals. I think this to helps increase blood flow but more importantly helps to increase metabolism and overall body temperature. I think I've gone up 1 degree in my basil temperature readings.
The cayenne I'm using isn't just the cayenne you get at the super market. It is the 90,000 HUT variety.
While I'm doing these things, I'm using herbs to support my kidneys and bladder.
I've just started using acs 200 and acz nano, more for mop up of any pathogens left over or any detoxification still required. I really like these products, there is something very good about them.
One more thing, I have just started to notice the viagra like benefits, I wish I knew about this along time ago.
Sorry I haven't posted in awhile, been a little busy for many reasons, and my sister just had a baby and I spent some time with her and the rest of my family for a week.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Very weird.. my skin smells like burning skin. I had my kids smell and they smell it too. Esp if I scratch my skin first. What the heck is this???
I have felt really bad lately. Taking OLE, 30,000 IU vit A, retrovirus homeopathy, Renew Life Kidney cleanse.. burbur, redroot, wood betony (last 3 are not new for ,me).
I was smelling burning skin and finally thought to smell my arm and there is was.
I am hoping in the sauna. What the heck could cause this?
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
The smokey smell is still in my skin. First time I noticed it, I smelled smoke.. wondered what was burning.. then I smelled my arm and it was my arm.
I had a strange sweat that day.. actually same day as zyto and while having the zyto consult.
My kids checked and smelled it too.
Sauna.. shower.. better. Today.. no shower yet and I have to scratch.. but when I do, I can smell it and so can my son and my daughter.
???????
Any clue? sulfur, ammonia, chemicals releasing???
I was taking BH4 and ornithine for ammonia. Stopped everything (for tests coming up and all killers because of such pain I am in.. this is the worst I have ever had.. joints, muscles, fatigue)
Any clue what to do??? I've been taking 30 chlorella a day and 6 modifilin.
This is a bit scary.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Robin,
No idea, but do you usually smell when you sweat? I was odorless before, and since my body has been learning how to detox (or when I took stronger detoxifiers), my sweat now smells something yucky.
I keep changing T-shirts, while before I could keep on the same for a week without any trouble, no smell, no sweat. Even for longer. It felt like clean.
Now, it's different, and I'm HAPPY I smell. I think my body is learning to throw things off through sweat.
I hope it means your body is detoxing nasty toxins. (?)
I had very awful joint pains while detoxing heavy metals. For me, arthritic pains were different or herx pains were different. The metal detox pains were VERY ACUTE but didn't last the whole day. They came and go in cycles.
Muscle pain could be lactic acid too? Or infection (borrelia)?
As for the recipy, it looks like an electrolyte recipy, if I understood well.
I merely use Himalayan salt, in small quantities, succussed in water. The sucussion give to it a sort of homeopathic imprints. I find we all lack electrolytes. Dr. K. is always remembering we all need these electrolytes for a number of things.
And the bone broth, I also do that in winter, very often, with chicken. I just put the whole chicken in, the more inner organs I can find too, and let it cook with low fire for a long time.
The Chinese have a VERY old recipy with chicken brooth for a variety of problems, they also add some of their magic herbs in for different problems and let it cook for a loooong time (about an hour minimum,if my memory is good).
A chicken at home will be used to its bones, literally. When the meat is eaten, I just continue to use the bones for other purposes, specially for soups.
And also the fat that comes from a healthy chicken is very good for the immune system. So I'll just keep that fat in the refrigerator and add it to all veggies I usually cook on steam in the next week. The fat tastes for me wonderful. But mostly in colder seasons.
Now that is warm, I don't feel much eating these soups and fats...
I read that ghee butter is used for detoxing in India. People would even rub it on skin, and ingest at least two full table spoons of it a day for helping the body to detox.
When I ask it energetically, it comes as a good detoxifier. Even for heavy metals.
Anything has to be done for some time to have effects. So long term chicken bone soups, long term ghee consupmtion, long term electrolyte consumption... That is how I feel.
Crossing fingers your pain goes better soon. I hope it's 'just' a herx and that you'll feel better soon, Robin!
---- Bob, how do you feel with supplementing with that aminoacid?
What do you think made the aminoacid missing? And would you need to supplement it forever? ---
I just bought Ecklonia cava, an expensive weed known as one of the best antioxidants in the market. Millions were spent researching its properties that is why its extract now costs a fortune (patented). Dr. K. consumes that himself.
I'll let you know how this feels...
I also got my Depyrrol for the KPU protocol plus some of the vitamins that my doc told me to take, but they simply don't test. They test as 'can't take it', so I'm not taking it. Nor my daughter...
we're on a sort of Reiki massage 'trip', I think, that made our bodies finally detox by themselves.
We're off everything, except for the saliva products that continue testing. Everything else, simply stopped testing. I'm still trying to wonder what happened, but I think the sort of 'reiki' massage did the job of opening our own detox pathways from within??
I don't think Reiki or some type of chakra therapy is enough to heal anyone SOLO again, but I think it can help some of us in some issues...
What I want for both myself and my daughter is that we don't fall sick again. And for that, we need to have our bodies to learn how to detox by its own, not to depend on dozens of supplements like we were.
We're off everything. First trip I ever did WITHOUT KILLERS, without a box of supplements, only my saliva products and we even forgot to take it.
It was only a 3 day trip, but that's a BIG STEP for us!!! I wouldn't feel comfortable to travel even for 2 days without taking my PE1 and all killers before, first for me, now for my daughter... Now, the PE1 stayed at home and so everything else.
So, I'm crossing fingers my daughter's has entered lyme remission with me. With a difference from before, we're on detox supplements 'remission' too!!!!
What I'm treating for myself now: the color of my fingers are still not like a healthy skin color, so I'm trying to move energy into it. Same for the tips of toes. I'm trying to avoid future infections there.
I think my EMR sensitivity dropped to the point of symptomless too. But it's still early to say. I attribute that to a Bach flower, but I will never know for sure.
I don't feel hungry or uneasy or excited in front of this same computer in the last days... VERY strange for me.
My daughter, I will still do this sort of reiki massage on her daily until it stops testing. We both still have heavy metals to release as they are being released through stools (at least, they test so)... I feel herxy on and off, but nothing too big. I'm overall more energetic.
I still feel colder than most people, not to an extreme like before.
I can't say much for my daughter as I'm not in her body. She's just not having her normal cycle of recurring infections for the last weeks.
She's got 3 tick bites this last month, not treated against it, but still fine. I'm testing a new homeopathic preventive treatment for her, to see if ticks don't bite her anymore.
It's been just a week on the product (it's a mix of about 10 different homeopathic things). So far, no bite, but who knows. She just takes a couple of drops once a week for it. It's a vet product (!) and animal owners seem to like it.
The product in fact, is a parasitic killer for animals. I tested my brother who got a liver fluke (I think it was that) and he tested good for it (sufficient to kill it).
I'll continue testing her for mercury until I can't find it anymore. They are still there, but flushing out. We are both having more bowel movements than usual even WITHOUT chlorella.
Maybe because of heavy metals?
I'm also definitively not allergic to dust anymore. I was, since my early childhood.
I'm cleaning nasty stuff at home that I was afraid to touch due to dust BUT I didn't sneeze even a single time. No runny nose. It doesn't feel like my nose, or it doesn't feel like dust!
gotta go now.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Thank you,Selma.
I was just told on a list that ammonia die off can smell smokey.
I dont smell it when I sweat or smell much when I sweat.. just in my skin or coming off it. Thats whats so strange. Maybe this is the beginning of good stinky sweat to come!
I started smelling this burning smell.. like hair gets when you are around a fire pit.. then I thought, its me! I've subjected my kids to smell me many times.. and yeah.. its me, in my skin.
Scratching my skin makes it "come out" more. It is like smoke coming from my skin.
I did start taking Bh4 for ammonia... and ornithine since I had some handy.
I'll take it as a good sign.. try to, anyway.:-)
Joints may be heavy metals.. if I just had a die off with Olive leaf, then it could be. It feels like residual like or arthritis like pain.. sharp, like shards. Not like herx like achey pain. This can be in jaws, in hips.. everywhere.. all over, both sides of my body.
Muscles could be lactic acid or Bb, but this is right off the OLE which I think hits Bb. Im wondering if it is a cyst buster or if it hits a layer of other things that brings out Bb. But Bb did not come out as a major stressor on my zyto scan.
Its the use of arms, of lackening use that scares me.
Figuring the puzzle out is half or more the battle...
Ghee has butyrate in it. I did the GAPS diet for months and am thinking of going back to it, at least incorporating the stews and bone broth.
There was something mentioned about a synergenistic effect with coconut oil and ghee that I have forgotten.
We did the same with duck fat... stored and used. It helps the cooking to feel functional. Kind of a catch 22 there.. :-)
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Robin, I had loads of awful pains in my arms (back muscles and arms) the last time borrelia showed up.
It was a nasty pain and it took me many months cleaning that area of my back muscles AFTER borrelia went dormant. Loads of neural therapy to get the toxic load out of the muscles.
I hope your joint pain IS heavy metal detoxing symptoms then! If the pain doesn't last more than a couple of days in its acute form and after you feel the joint got some mobility back, that is exactly what happened to me. Heavy metals flushing out.
A herx had a sort of rhythm after ingestion of killers. The pain came and went like clockwork if I took the right killers. This was when I was using herbal intake before the PE1 though.
If you are using the Bionic or similar devices, then it will be hard to know the difference between a herx and heavy metals flushing out in my opinion... because the way we herx with infrared is continuous, non-stop BUT lighter than with ingested killers.
And heavy metals flush out when THEY want to (in CASE you're NOT on oral chelators but with things like psychological treatments, AI-like products or something else...).
Have you tried Nogier on painful muscles and joints?
I thought ammonia was a chemical NH3 or so...? Is it also the name of a critter??? (you speak of ammonia die off...)
You CERTAINLY said right, the worst is to find out what is this puzzle. If we had just one or a couple of symptoms, that wouldn't be a problem to be guessing. But with dozens or MORE symptoms, it starts to be worrisome...
That's why I love energetic tests. They are not RIGHT all the time, but they give you a much better idea of what's going on than pure guessing.
---- We're on day one not testing for saliva dilutions anymore. Not me, nor daughter, now it's only hubby needing it!!!
So it took us about 5-6 months of saliva treatment. Hubby didn't take his last dilution due to trips. I'll prepare him a new one when he's back.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Hi Selma, Thank you.:-)
I took one 50mg minocycline and woke up with more relaxed muscles. Just one. I have heard that minocycline has other effects besides antibiotic that help people with ALS and or MS. I cant imagine such a small does would knock out active Bb symptoms.. ??
Or, I am just getting coincidental "break" in symptoms.:-)
I would love to be able to sort out some sense in these symptoms and get comfortable with the energetic testing. I was doing pretty well for a while with it.
Keeping in mind the possible sequence:
Die off from pathogens, followed by release of metals (probably from biofilm)and candida (not sure how it relates except know there is a symbiotic relationship with the Bb and yeast and/or the mercury and yeast)
Die off from parasites, followed by Bb and pathogen flares (metals and candida too?)
Chelation of mecury, followed by release of Bb. You pull the mercury out of biofilm, that releases the Bb..
The ammonia is either from die off from Bb, I think candida or from a faulty methylation-detox thing.. see I dont understand that yet. I think Yasko does call it or something NH3.
We don't know yet since tests are pending or sitting here for me to complete at home. Zyto is picking up ammonia. I have a feeling the ammonia is what has caused my hypersomnia as it has been associated with African Sleeping Sickness. I feel like a thick fluid is passing over my brain when I feel like I cant stay awake.
I've been afraid to do the nogiers. I gave in and did once while taking a retrovirus homeopathic a few weeks ago? Not sure how to use nogiers and not start light treatment for pathogens.. not sure I am ready for that until I have a better understanding of how all this works.
I would love to be able to without starting a light treatment protocol yet.
With the photons, the herx is less severe but more continuous, therefore the pathogen herx and the metal flush can coincide? The effects of the light last longer, so the actual "killing" could still be taking place while the metals start releasing?
Less of a line between the actions in the body?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I don't know exactly how the candida and other critters co-exist together. I just know most of us lyme sufferers have candida and other fungal infections.
When we look at nature, the main decomposition process from dead insects, dead flowers, wood, fruits, dead leaves, dead animals, every single thing passes NECESSARILY through fungi and candida to get decomposed. So they are all over, in all fresh stuff we consume (and in many other non fresh stuff, of course).
A healthy, clean and 'alive' body will fight candida and fungi to avoid decomposition / sickness.
There seems to be a perfect symbiosis in between candida-fungi-borrelia-heavy metals, I also agree.
As for low doses abx working on borrelia, why not? I never took any full dose of anything and improved this way for years, and reached remission quite a few times (until re-infection or relapse).
High doses 'kill' me, shut my body, I feel literally sick from 'poisoning' when I take high doses of anything. I could only improve with little doses of COMBINED things, be that homeopathics, herbs or supplements.
Abx (I don't know if all) are also chelators according to dr.K.
I think you are right on the die off of parasites and Bb flares. But other stuff can also follow, like other pathogens and CERTAINLY candida and metals.
Chelate heavy metals well, and yes, you may get a come back of Bb and MANY other nasty critters. Watch out not only for candida but many other critters.
I am not sure if it is merely like a ballet of pathogens by their own, a sort of ecossystem balance, one pathogen goes dormant, another comes up
OR
if it's like you are saying, layers of problems holding others (parasites holding metals holding candida and so on), passing always through the main 'streams': Bb, heavy metals/ toxins, candida/ fungi, (probably add bartonella, for others mycoplasma...)
I guess it's a bit of both.
If you start photons, be sure to make the AI, in my opinion. Any dissentization technique would be good simultaneously or before it.
I wonder how amonia homeopathic would test for your problem. Sometimes I got a sort of regulation with taking the problematic substance in the right homeopathic dilutions...
the main advantage with photons, to my view, is that you put the damm borrelia behind and it stops showing up ALL the time and creat�ng symptoms.
It will still be there, but low profile, probably, if you still are full of parasites, heavy metals and biofilms...
But really, I feel the photon protocol helped me skip months of AGRESSIVE treatment against borrelia. I could then concentrate on something else, heavy metals again, my teeth, my photon field, allergy dissentization, etc. Before photons, I had to put a lot of energy and time into Bb mainly, due to massive symptoms and the rest became secondary.
Bb kept blocking my body all over, so I spent a long time unblocking parts of my body too. Then I got food allergies, one after another. It's been like that EVERY time I get active Bb with full of symptoms. So I had to shop different, cook different for me than for other people at home. Another BIG waste of time, but I couldn't skip that.
With photons, killing Bb becomes secondary, if you see what I mean. Ther's much more time to treat other things then, that WERE the cause for my body to fall so sick with Bb.
But of course, you got to detox continuously too, as your body doesn't rest from the killing. It does kill night and day and you lose the herx cycles to 'rest' (I mean, when the herx is finished).
At the same time, I think that's exactly where this photon + nosodes win from ANY other approach to kill: borrelia has no single moment of rest!!!
But so does your body, it can't fully rest to eliminate Bb debris!
I meant that with photons I can't see the clear cycle of herxes like with ingested killers. Depending on the killer, I felt I could almost say the TIME of herxing, if it was a couple of minutes after ingestion, or if it was an hour after the intake...
With photons, I lost those cycles of herxes, so whatever I felt, I didn't know anymore if they were from chelation or herxes.
Unless you rely on an open regulation and your energetic tests. But often we get both testing together, probably because critters release metals while they die off. At least, that is how I saw in our case.
I think my body never stopped killing Bb while on the photon protocol. There were some hiding places of more difficult access, but the GREAT load of Bb is like 'shut down'.
But anyone that doesn't test all levels of detox organs can get in trouble when a single organ gets stuck. For most is liver, intestines, kidneys and lymphatic system. You're sort of stuck with killing if that happens. Your body won't be able to do anything well and your condition gets worse due to toxicity IF that happens.
that is the danger of any protocol that involves moving metals or killing, but a bit more with photons + nosodes, because there's simply no rest and the body continues trying to kill, even when you don't want it anymore.
With other killing protocols, you merely can interrupt killer intake and take a rest. But that's impossible with photons, in my feeling. It takes MUCH longer for the photon effect to wean, specially if you add a message 'nosodes'.
NOt sure I understood what you meant below, Robin:
"I've been afraid to do the nogiers. I gave in and did once while taking a retrovirus homeopathic a few weeks ago? Not sure how to use nogiers and not start light treatment for pathogens.. not sure I am ready for that until I have a better understanding of how all this works."
did you have a bad reaction after the retrovirus treatment? I usually don't use Nogier with nosodes, but I think Bejoy is using like that...
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Hi Selma.
Thank you so much for your insights. I am thnking about what you are saying about not being able to do high dose of anything. I think that may be ME!
I can see why my doctor pulled out her degnerative vials and tested my supps and herbs against that.
You said: NOt sure I understood what you meant below, Robin:
"I've been afraid to do the nogiers. I gave in and did once while taking a retrovirus homeopathic a few weeks ago? Not sure how to use nogiers and not start light treatment for pathogens.. not sure I am ready for that until I have a better understanding of how all this works."
did you have a bad reaction after the retrovirus treatment? I usually don't use Nogier with nosodes, but I think Bejoy is using like that...
My reply: I dont think so. Its just my fear of combining photons with homeopathy or anything for that matter.. it bringing out pathogens from hiding and my immune system not being able to handle.
I bought the lightworks for the purpose of using the nogier and not a photon protocol. Would love to be able to "safely" use it for that without bringing out more pathogens, empowering them, so to speak. I cant deal with that right now.
My body is too fragile.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Robin, don't be worried if you can't ingest killers or whatever in massive amounts. We are all different and I react MUCH better to minimum amounts.
My daughter too. It was amazing to see her bartonella infection disappearing with so little, like arnica homeopathic. My highest dose of andrographis was 50% of Buhner protocol, and I only could take it short term.
The 2nd time I took high doses artemisinin, I ended up in emergency with terrible air hunger. I still don't know if it was due to a bad herx or due to 'poisoning' of artemisin itself (or because I had a bad idea to take more of andrographis simultaneously...)
I just need larger combinations (of herbs / homeopathics) to get better, not large amounts of things.
I wonder if I need to combine MORE things than other people BECAUSE I can't take higher amounts of individual substances.... How do you feel about that for yourself, Robin?
More amount = poisoning. More variety in lower amounts = healing. I see other people though needing to ingest massive doses to feel any effect with abx or herbs. Different bodies.
Buhner now recognizes his recommendations for the amount can vary (he wrote that in Planet thrive or in his site, I can't remember where).
He has seen people improve with his protocol with much lower doses than he proposed in his book. So no worry on that. People are different.
I see people stressing because they can't tolerate high amounts of abx or herbs. It's unecessary worry. What matters if you are improving.
As for bringing pathogens from hiding... They will come up anyway, in my opinion. If you chelate, they will come up. If you kill anything, others will come up.
The photons, on the contrary, are potent killers and will lower your pathogen load very fast, in my opinion. It will increase toxicity temporarily, this yes, with die off.
Don't forget you can use homeopathics with photons too to clean your body. It's not only for killing.
The ballet of rising pathogens for me just stopped in the past after months / years after fierce fight. And it stopped only temporarily to come back later again. This was before photons.
With photons, things got MUCH easier. I also had Sanum to help, which was a great help on candida and other common infections (strep, staph, TB, salmonella, etc).
When borrelia and candida are down, little shows up for me and daughter. This couple Bb + candida /fungi are, in my opinion, the most imunosupressive couple (for us at home).
For some is bartonella too though.
Just see the Bionic reports. People were FULL of active infections before the protocol and after, their fight clearly MOVES to something different.
From killing to adjusting, modulating, fixing other troubles, allergies, heavy metals, parasites, whatever. Of course, there may be exceptions... I don't think photons will get the Bb inside parasites, for example...
If your problem is parasites, then you are right, I also feel the photons will feed them! Again, energetic tests...
Now that I said that, I thought of Sparkle. She had so many liver flukes / parasites and the use of light just shut her body down... I wonder if it didn't have to do with feeding further the liver flukes with photons too (?) ----------------------------
I just want to share you an info I saw yesterday again on a video by dr.K. The info is for cancer therapy, but I guess it could help most chronic sufferers too.
One is about a cancer therapy proposed by a Japanese dr. Omura, the one that created the O-ring test. He said that sun setting (or sun rising) has cancer curing properties.
There's a sort of exact time (gate) about 10 minute before sunset til 10 minutes after sunset every day that has the highest healing properties for cancer.
There is a clinic in Japan that has high rate of cancer survival patients and the basic therapy is ONLY THAT.
You got to look at the direction of the light (light has to enter through your eyes, if possible, leave more exposure to skin too). But not directly to the sun (except if you are an experienced yogi....).
The mono-therapy of this clinic is eating healthy during the day, and at sun set, cancer patients go up on the roof to watch the sun set using only bathing suits. Their 'cure' rates are high, it seems.
The creator of the PE1 flashes nogier directly into his eyes, he told me. He learned that practicing yoga.
Some yogis look directly into the sun, usually at sunrise or sunset. I wouldn't do that because I'm not a yogi and I'm sure I can get permanent retinal damage if I'm not trained, but just look at the direction of the sunlight avoiding directly looking at the sun.
When it stops to rain, I'll try that just to see what my O-ring says. If you do energetic tests, you can figure out the exact timing of it. If not, the basic 10 min before and 10 min after sunset shall be enough according to dr. K. The 'gate' time varies every day.
Cancer therapy number 2 dr. K. was proposing is a sort of hole in the earth. Just dig a hole size of your body, depth enough to be totally 'inside' the earth when laying down. So the fatter you are, the deeper you got to dig.
Well, he joked about this "grave therapy"! So this 'grave therapy' consists on laying there, directly inside the grave for 20 minutes a day, no matter when (best is at the end of the day) and just relax.
You can wear clothes. Don't forget to check for ticks and other biting insects. I would put a sort of white cotton sheet (easy to spot critters).
He said most cancer patients improve or even get healed ONLY with these 2 FREE therapies. This video was from 2006 though, I don't know if he changed ideas now...
The explanation for the 1st is related to some best healing properties given by direct sun light exposure (whatever the reason is for the tangencial sunlight being better than perpendicular sunlight)...
and the grave techique, he said that this way, you get the most of the earth eletromagnetic field, if I understood well, that is very very healing.
In a later seminar I attended, he was proposing to connect your bed to the earth through a silver net under your bedsheet. So I think the 'grave therapy' idea is still valid for most chronic sufferers.
If you are an expert dowser, you can search for the best place in your garden to dig your grave (!), which is where the yin-state will be mostly promoted. Or to connect the silver net under your sheet.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Hi, gang....
Well, my back decided to go haywire in a major way, so I won't be at the computer much for awhile...... at least I'm not totally non-functional and on 2 or 3 different drugs like in the `old days'..... there's always a bright side.
I'll let you guys know how the BioMeridian session goes. I may have to postpone the appointment if my back isn't WAY better in towards the end of the week. It's too long a trip for me, at present. We'll see....
Robin, thank you SO much for the hydration, broth, and salt info. This is EXACTLY the kind of information I need right now.
You, too, Selma. I, too, started adding Himalayan salt (sometimes Real Salt - sea salt deposits) to my drinking water (and my pets) a couple of weeks ago.
I've been drinking sea-salted broth made from locally-grown, grass-fed lamb every day (too bad it's gone now).... Then I saw some of the info posted over on the AI thread about hydration..... then Gael posted a new topic about sea salt and dehydration, which is an excellent starting point with some good do's and don'ts...... (here's the link)
Some of what is in the `Water Cure' (above link) won't coincide with the AI recommendations or the other info, but I'm not sure all the answers are completely known about hydration and electrolyte balance, cellular vs intracellular minerals, osmotic action, etc. Opinions differ, but I think there are some basics that can help all of us in our efforts to get the bad stuff out and the good stuff back in.
I've looked into where to buy lard.... yes, plain old, non-hydrogenated pork belly fat LARD. If I need to make anything that calls for `shortening', I refuse to use hydrogenated oils anymore. Butter won't work for everything, and neither will vegetable oils. I did buy some natural shortening made from palm oil until I can find some lard. I may have to render my own lard - I can get the pork fat from local people.
Okay, back to salt and hydration....
There were some interesting statements in one of the links that Robin posted..... it is mostly I reference to salt/c protocol, but I think there are some real nuggets of truth in there....
quote:12 - We all have an infection-induced form of something called `channelopathy' which means that our electrolyte ions are dangerously low, and the salts help restore that ......
14 - We are making up for decades of salt deficiency, and the body simply has to work though the things it would ordinarily have taken care of over those decades. This may include EMOTIONAL issues that we have not been able to process properly due to lack of electrolytes and thus low or unbalanced neurological and brain activity.....
16 - The good salt is finally pushing out bad salts and other bad minerals and toxins, and it is those bad salts and toxins that have allowed us to be sick. Sort of like putting good gas into a car after years of bad gas, it has to burn out the bad stuff.
27 - The body is an electro-chemical device, producing extensive electrical fields and charges. Some people have theorized that subtle energy fields in the body are essential for cell-to-cell communication and immune functions. Also, many people are quite sensitive to electromagnetic fields. Salt is a strong electrolyte, and with a sodium deficiency some of the fields of the body may be weak......
28 - Salt water is a high alkalinizing drink.....
And it's interesting to note that the most effective remedy (in single-dose, high potencies) for old, prolonged grief or emotional trauma is..... ta da..... NAT-MUR. And what is Nat-mur? Natrum muriaticum or SODIUM CHLORIDE. Common Rock Salt.
This is all fitting together.
Much interesting reading here the past few days.... I always learn something new here....
Selma.... a little late to comment but I don't know of anyone who cleans their ROOF!
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Hey guys,
be sure to check out gigi's post on KPU. Interesting angle on it..as a symptom of mitochondrial dysfunction.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Selma -- l-citrulline is very usefull for pulling ammonia from the body. Body builders use it after working out.
Ammonia reduces the body's ability to recover from strenuous exercising. Aerobic exercise increases ammonia. I believe kidney issues prevent ammonia excretion and uric acid crystals start to form in muscles and joints. Something that may have been going on in me now for the past 3 years. 3 weeks prior to that I was starting to get uncomfortable around the kidney area (a little bit of pressure and slight pain).
So, I'm very sure in my case kidneys were congested for some time. It is most likely the reason I had periodic inflamation in some of my joints as well as stiffness in muscles specifically the calfs and thighs. Add to all this, I had developed lower back pain. So I stopped aerobically exercising while I addressed, kidney, bladder and prostate function together all of which can be dysregulated by lyme and crew. And even if lyme and crew are gone the dysregulation is still there.
So far, I've seen gradual and steady improvement. In the last three weeks much has normalized again. Back pain is gone!
So I addressed it in the following way. 1/4 teaspoon of citruline in the morning and one at night. I used now foods arginine super stack formula (I want to supplement arginine but not too much). You could get the ingredients from the net.
I've also been taking some herbal teas, in the morning a combination of celery seed powder 1/2 tblspn 1 tspn hydrandea root, 1 tspn marshmallow leaf, 1/2 tspn gravel root and 1/2 tspn goldenrod steeping for about 30 minutes thus making 16 ozs of tea. I drink it on my way to work.
At night a combination of hydrangea root, echinacea, and skullcap using dried herbs.
After breakfast take a supplement for prostate.
I'm drinking lots of water during the day to increase volume and detox. And like Tracy, using the water cure for kidney and bladder detoxification.
Hydration is no longer my issue. The test of soking in the tub for 1/2 hour and being pruney doesn't apply to me. In a matter of fact, I feel very hydrated.
Also taking a bit of (1/4 tspn) cayenne pepper before each meal. I've started to cut down on the cayenne to 2 meals and 1/8 tspn. I think I'll be cutting down on the amino acids for awhile.
I don't see anything we do as permanent, just what you need for the situation. I needed to take care of the lower extremities before I could move on.
I'm also using the LED a lot more. It seems increasing nitric oxide is testing to use the LED more. Plus I'm drinking an energy water called emergen-c. It's like taking a b-complex with lots of vitamin C and minerals. Besides I got a great deal from the health food store.
I'm still taking triphala occasionally. However I'm pretty much in detox mode.
I've just added acs 200 and acz nano.
After all this has cycled talk to my doctor and see what's next. Especially for homeopathy. So I've gone hard for fixing terrain issues. I'm sure I have some energetic issues to still needing resolution.
All that I'm doing right now is temporary including the citrulline.
I'm going to schedule another appointment with my LLND to see where I am. Especially with homeopathics.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Hi bob--
Glad to see the l-citrulline is working for you. I am taking Pure Encapsulations Growth Hormone Support because it has arginine HCl and ornithine alpha- ketoglutarae, all of which are ammonia detoxifiers. But I should mention that the urea cycle occurs in the liver, so without a well-functioning liver, ammonia is often in excess endogenously, where it can get recirculated into the brain & tissues instead of kidneys for excretion. This may not be the case for you where it may be an issue with just the kidney, but ammonia excess is seen in hepatitis.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Joey --
That's why I spent soooo much time cleaning the liver and trying to rejuvenate it with glutathione suppositories / cleanses / and coffee enemas. One of the big stimulants for liver function is cayenne pepper especially the super hot variety I've been using. I really feel my liver is functioning well. I've noticed my smell is irritating to others after I sweat from a work out.
I think urea is my real issue with the kidneys. I'm just not getting rid of it. Ammonia is an issue when the kidney aren't pushing out urea through urination. So my efforts are to get my kidneys to work as well as they can.
If urea is an issue it is very much like having gout. But instead of the big toe it is in muscles and joints.
I did read some of Gigi comments in the KPU and it talked about the body excreting citrulline. What is meant by that and if your fighting kpu is citrulline conter-indicative?
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
In the article Gigi posted, the following is said on citrulline:
"The amino acid citrulline has the property to be stored in certain proteins such as e.g. fibrinogen. This citrullinated fibrinogen acts as an antigen and triggers auto immune reactions, i. e. aseptic (not bacterial) inflammatory reactions especially in the joints and the spinal column, so that as a result chronic crucial joint complaints or even chronic pains in the lumbar spinal column arise, which have nothing to do with physical strain. If there is a longer chronic condition, joint rheumatism may be developed."
I suppose this would imply that too much citrulline is counterindicative. However, I've never heard of anyone testing with excess citrulline. Even when I was taking it, my amounts were always low despite a possible NO surplus. This may mean that it would take an extraordinary amount of citrulline ingested to neutralize the excess ammonia and then have more left over to get deposited in fibrinogen.
I've never personally experienced arthritic symptoms from taking l-citrulline (2g/day) so I would THINK that it should be ok.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Selma... I think that sounds good. Thank you. I needed to hear that.
Joey.. I'm not working with all cylinders.. does this mean citrilline is bad? Help. I feel like I developed arthritis from taking Bh4 and or OLE. Im not over it yet.
About AI.. help me y'all. I am so frightened of these drops. Can you point me where they explain how they are made or can someone tell me? For some reason, I gotta know.. I can take homeopathics fine.. energetic drops I just dont understand.. ( I trust you, selma.. its the idea of how a company mass produces presonalized energetic drops.. how can they?) I really want to feel safe and right taking trying them out. Just a block.
Robin
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Anyone done yasko? I have all these tests rolling and here to do.. I am guessing something like AI is best to do before the protocol?
Joey, did you do the simplified? I dont think I can with my ammonia issues (but dont you have cbs issues as well? so how did that play out for you?)I am also comt++ which means slow methlator and not to take folopro.
Bob.. if I have hepatitis, the basic liver tests show that, right?
I bought systemic drainage thinking it could be used with the LW without killers? or just alone.. seems if one has parasites, the light's a no go anyway?
I probably made a huge mistake coming off all my supps after this last event with the OLE, Bh4.. I learn NOW I should have started with less than a capsule of the BH4 and moveed up very slowly. I was not told that. My directions said 1-3 so I ramped up like an idiot too fast. Im becoming a neuro-mess.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Hi robin,
My opinion is that taking citrulline is fine. Esp if you have ammonia issues you probably need that as well as ornithine.
I still do the simplified yes. I have a minor CBS and my ammonia seems to be OK. Not great but limited enough so that I can continue with methylation supps.
Could the BH4 be causing you arthritic issues by speeding up iNOS? I'm not sure if it does that but you may want to ask MP to check you for NO levels.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Thanks Joey. ?? I am trying to wrap my brain around this chemistry stuff.
Minocycline may prevent dopamine-cell damage by blocking the action of nitric oxide (NO) in the brain. Some research has suggested that the release of NO from activated brain cells called glial cells is involved in the degeneration seen in Parkinson's. This remains only speculation, however. ******************************************
Maybe its for real. And maybe why mino helped me last time I had this burning in my head... and clears up my burning aching muscles and joints. Maybe it also acts on NO in nerves.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
yes Robin, hepatitis should show up on basic liver tests. If you trust blood tests. You can have them specifically test for hepatitis. But, it is only as good as the lab doing it. My daughter was tested positive, but she had been sick. two weeks later we had a more sensitive test done. And she tested negative.
citrulline is very good for removing ammonia. Joey how long have you been supplementing with it. And how did you decide to use it in your protocol?
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Bob--
Not too long. I do it on and off depending on my ammonia situation. Sometimes I use it to aid in muscle recovery
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Joey --
I see what you mean, you can feel when you don't need any more of it. My inflamation is down quite a bit. I stopped aerobically exercising for about 2 weeks to remove the ammonia and to give my organs a break. I think I'll use it after exercising specifically for recovery.
When I was using it, I should have been taking more zinc then I was. Fortunately it is just an adjustment.
I wonder if a bad life style creates a congested liver it then compromises the amount of citrulline, and when citrulline declines ammonia starts to increase in the body causing at least some of the inflamation.
So, increasing citrulline in the body might go hand and hand with liver cleanses. Sounds to me Hulda should include it in her liver cleanse protocol.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
Took a break from treatment for a few weeks, then went back to testing yesterday.
Found more than I was hoping for, but at leas Babesia isn't showing anymore.
Found and currently treating Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever. New one for me, as it has never come up as a treatment priority before.
I'll be making a series homochord in one vial from the mother tincture strength energy signature tester vial, on my copier. Have used this technique with other pathogens, and it works well with biophotons.
Also up is Aspergillis. I'm using Aspergillis 5x from Sanum, placed in a vial. This is also used to treat all kinds of other symptoms and problems, especially related to mucous membrane disorders. This with biophotons as well.
And also lyme viral encephalitis. Darn it. I thought the head, neck and shoulder pain was from the old neck injury. I'm using LYM from DesBio with light. I've treated this twice before. This viral tends to leave and come back from time to time.
Looks like viral encephalitis will need a few treatments, then add Aspergillis, then add RMSF on alternate days. I always use Systemic Drainage, as this really agrees with my body and avoids the herx.
Just in time for vacation cross country. I hope I'll be able to keep this up as needed, so my health stays strong. Glad to know there is an excuse and a cure for the headaches.
So glad to have the PE1. Takes no more than 20 min total to do a treatment that was taking up to 2 hours with the Lightworks. Results, however, seem to be the same.
Still not showing since light treatment: borrelia x2, bartonella, babesia, candida, TB, strep pneumonia, klebsiella, multiple fungals. (Am I missing any?)
What a zoo.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Hi Bejoy, I hope your aspergillus and all other issues will get better soon!
Great then to know that the results from PE1 and LW are the same in the end! LW just takes longer, if I understood well? -------
Update from us at home, still no infection showing up for both of us. Daughter started again on Rechtsregulat + Omega 3 (she tests 'no need' but tests as 'can take them').
She eats almost no fermented foods, so there's no danger in getting some enzymes through Rechtsregulat. And the fish oil, we'll probably drop it when we'll have to eat more fish as we're moving to the coast.
I'm also giving her chlorella CGF, also testing 'no need' but I re-phrase the question again to 'is she allowed to take it?' and I get a yes. So I'm giving her.
What I am noticing is the following. Kids this early age catch colds very often at school. She's still catching a cold or another (like once a month), but her treatment got so simple. Merely propolis drops once or twice a day! And the cold goes 'dormant' after 2 days or so? It's 'funny'.
Before she needed quite more, many homeopathics, lymph drainage, rubbed essential oils on lymph nodes, accupucnture (without needles)...
Let's see in winter. I start to feel my daughter HAS an immune system!!!!!
Before, I had the impression the herbs / photons /homeopathics WERE her immune system. I couldn't trust her body!
I do think she's not allergic to anything anymore. I am still dreadful afraid to let her eat candies around in neighbors (with colorants and a hell other stuff inside), but so far, she's not having any reaction to anything new she's trying. Great!
I also tested her urine just with the word "pyrrol" and get a no.
I see people testing positive for the KPU and their saliva also tests as containing pyrrols, not only urine! Of course, it could be just my 'mind' playing tricks with me...
But I', suspecting that we also have pyrrols in the saliva (as pyrrols are in the blood in high quantities if you are a 'Pyrroler') and that the saliva dilutions treated her pyrrol problem! And mine!!
Depyrrol tests absolutely negative still, for both of us. 'Not allowed to take it'. So we're not taking it. Excess of zinc might be not so good, I suppose.
I do wonder if the AI wouldn't treat the pyrool problem too, but I guess not, because we see people that are on AI still needing the KPU protocol...
Our photon machine ONLY comes out of the box when we get hurt (contusions, wounds, scratches) now. If not, it stays in the box. We're out of preventive treatment.
I am just thinking before winter, though, to test and see if I could still photoon the borrelia 1,000K or borrelia antibody nosodes as preventive. But for the moment, we're not thinking about it.
We're still detoxing heavy metals, I wonder until when this will go. Both of us. No chlorella, no binders test ('not allowed to take them'). So we're still not taking these.
Our bodies seem to have learned how to detox these nasty metals by itself. Which is for me still unbelievable. I'm still not fully believing that, it feels like in a dream.
No zeolites, no phospholipides, no cilantro, no clay, no MSM, no chlorella, nothing nothing tests as 'allowed' to take... Only water.
For so long, we needed so much help to first mobilize heavy metals, then flush them out. It was so hard, the herx-feeling was the most awful thing one can imagine (except for babesial herxes, these are even worse than flushing metals off). But only babesia herxes compare to these 'metal' herxes.
Now they just flow out. No effort! I feel my head a bit 'airy', I feel my breathing is going on a bit deeper than usual while it happens, but these are my heavy metals intoxication symptoms!
And the skin got some pimples here and there. My daughter also gets some pimple-like thigns that test as 'heavy metals' being detoxing... Only that!
I am not 'allowed' to take anything to help these metals off, except for water. And they even don't flush out through urine, it seems, but by stools!
I'm so happy to get them out without mobilizers nor binders, you guys can't imagine what this means for us. My daughter too. It's really like a dream. That is why my brain still can't believe.
I am having the feeling relapse won't occur in the next months, but who knows. It's just a feeling. We're both testing as having a good immune system!
I'm also taking Rechts and the fish oils, like daughter. I also test 'no need, but allowed to take them'. So I take them. I bought many kilograms of chlorella like I always do for years (I stock them for the year), but now am giving them away to family members that need them. I'll keep just a kilogram or two, just in case. The rest, I'll give them away!
That's it. I'm also 'cooking' my ecklonia cava tincture to prepare homeopathic dilutions with it (sort of antioxidative preventive treatment to avoid having all these brain diseases in later age). I also test 'no need' but 'allowed to take it'.
I'm even thinking to make a website, then people could just contact me through it. I'll let you know.
Specially to talk about the saliva dilutions, because I think it was that that made our bodies finally turn the corner to detox by themselves (my daughter and myself).
And I will also talk about photons there because I still think there's nothing better than photons against borrelia and many other infections! (but not all!)
I do think photons helped immensely. They at least gave me a break to treat infections so that I could concentrate on other things.
And for life threatning infections like TBE or tuberculosis (many strains) I do think these photons + nosodes can save lives or prevent permanent damage!
Gotta go for now. Summer finally came!!
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Selma, I love the idea of you creating a website. That would be fantastic!
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
This is going to be an odd thought.. but I will post anyway..
zyto.. if you are receiving frequencies of balance or imbalance.. not sure which one..
either way.. then is that not sending messages to the body that it might respond to..
you know like the quantum theory that observation changes reality?
imbalance .. being pathogen and toxin etc frequencies would alert the body like a homeopath
balance would message the body a reminder?
so zyto or other forms of electrodermal screening could be like biofeedback? and theraputic just by doing them?
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Bob...NO citrulline!
Organism: Borrelia burgdorferi B31
***Putative***Identity: arginine deiminase
Arginine deiminase is a calcium dependent enzyme.
This enzyme participates in arginine and proline metabolism.
Metabolism = breakdown.
an arginine deiminase is an enzyme that catalyzes the chemical reaction:
"Arginine is synthesized from citrulline by the sequential action of the cytosolic enzymes argininosuccinate synthetase and argininosuccinate lyase = ASL.
This is energetically costly, as the synthesis of each molecule of argininosuccinate requires hydrolysis of adenosine triphosphate = ATP to adenosine monophosphate = AMP; i.e., two ATP equivalents."
Look into ACZ zeolite.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Marnie -- Already taking it along with acs 200.
Arginine -- becomes nitrous oxide which seems to need to be replenished if you are using LEDs. In energetically testing the more I used the LEDs the more citrulline I needed. The citrulline seemed more important then the arginine specifically. Citrulline is suppose to take ammonia and convert it to urea in the urea cycle. At the same time I'm cleansing my kidneys and bladder to make sure my detoxification is going well.
It might be possible to exhaust our bodies ability to create ATP if we use LEDs for an extended period of time. I think the LEDs are like a strenuous workout in that LEDs are causing a physical reaction. NO might be a bi-product of LED use and gets detoxed out of the body as long as our detox organs are working well. Citrulline might be a good supplement for converting ammonia to urea and removed from the body through the kidneys.
Citrulline has to be in balance in the body to manage the amount of ammonia. In summary, LEDs are like exercising, they create ammonia.
It could explain why so many haven't had a positive reaction to rifing or using LEDs. Or partly why there is such a powerful herxing / detox reaction using rife. Rifing may stimulate the same wastes as if you were aerobically exercising.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
R62 -- You may be correct about the therapy of an EDS session. Maybe the therapeutic affect is only as long as your observing. In otherwords, if the session could on for 10 hours that might be therapeutic but 5 minutes might not be. Its a hard question, because there is no real way of telling unless you try it.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Joey, if citrulline combines with proteins, how would an excess be detected? The whole synthesis of ornithine and citrulline is interesting, but complicated.
I'm having some interesting results from adding more Himalayan Salt to my body throughout the day. For instance, for the first time ever, my morning urine is testing alkaline. And all I do in the morning is drink my 80% decaf coffee - I don't eat for several hours. That alone should trigger more acid urine. But I'm adding a sprinkle of Himalayan Salt to my coffee grounds, too. In fact, my urine might be a little TOO alkaline (7.0) much of the time. But that's so much easier to fix than too acid.
In some ways I feel better, some ways I feel worse. Something is changing, though.
I've also discovered a somewhat different type of salt..... found it in my own basement. (I forgot I had it.) It's called Bio Salt. It is a triturated combination of minerals with a `biochemical balance corresponding to the normal saline content of healthy human plasma.'
It was formulated by some `homeopathic doctors in England', and it was designed to preserve the proper mineral balance in and around cells for optimal generation of healthy electrical impulses. (RTBI - Reams Theory of Biological Ionization). Also, it was tested by Hulda Clarke and found to be pure (no sea gull poop or anything like you might find in sea salts).
Well, it sounds good on paper. I haven't messed with it yet.
Well, wish me luck. I go get my `electro-dermal' testing tomorrow. My back is well enough to make the trip. (Turns out she does NOT use the BioMeridian system - she uses EAV equipment and database.) In any case, this is my first time doing this particular type of thing, so it's all new to me.
The woman told me to bring ALL my supplements to the consult so if I already have something that will work for me, I won't have to buy anything. Ha! Now, I know most of us on this thread literally have boxes and boxes of supplements on hand.... taking even a fraction of all that is impossible. I don't think I need to bring any homeopathics - those are pretty universal brand-to-brand. I suspect her database is full of combination remedies anyway....
Maybe I'll just bring the stuff I'm already taking, and some things that I want to take but don't know if they are right for me. Any other suggestions?
I hope I don't overwhelm the woman or make her equipment start on fire or anything.
Well, I'll keep this short today.....
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Tracy when you go for your EAV eval, don't forget to bring marshmallows. If the machine catches on fire, you could put the marshmallows over the flame and they could become frequency energized. Sorry, couldn't help myself.
I hope you find some good answers.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Mmmm. Electro-thermally imprinted marshmallows - my favorite!
Thanks for the encouragement. This type of testing is a new adventure for me.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
How was your EAV, Tracy?
did you have good mashmallows there???!!
Posted by lymewreck36 (Member # 4395) on :
I just tried to scan these posts....took an hour, did not do it justice.
Had my first bionic 880 treatment today by Dr. W. in Germany.
I posted a new thread about it, but wondering what the talk about negative bionic 880 experiences is referring to?
Did someone get harmed by this treatment?
I know I ran across a website not too long ago of a guy saying that bionic had harmed someone, and people were not talking about it, and some of the negative posts about bionic 880 were mysteriously being removed from the internet.
Thought that was pretty crazy... the entire idea of people hushing it.
Any comments?
Mary
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Selma and all.......
WOW.
I have to say that I'm impressed with the `diagnostic' part because it has confirmed SO much of what I already suspected or knew.
I'll have to see about the `treatment' part of it.
On the drive home - in the middle of the most AMAZING thunder and lighting rainstorm - I thought to myself, `This is what medicine SHOULD be.' This system not only looks at the imbalances, but it assesses what the CAUSE(S) are. The treatment is geared towards treating the CAUSE(s). Including miasms.
It's so logical.
I feel a bit like Robin, though - pretty overwhelmed with information right now. Ideas are flying around in my head like popcorn in a popper. I guess I've got to wait a bit until all my ideas get `popped' before I can really settle down to lay out my `plan of action'.
(Oh, BTW, this isn't exactly EAV, either. Well, it is, but because it's hooked into computer software and a database, they call it CEDSA - Computerized Electro-Dermal Stress Analysis. This lady also has am 'imprinting' plate interfaced with the software so she can make all kinds of remedies with mixed potencies, etc.)
Oh, and thanks a lot, Bob. Now I have this overwhelming craving for toasted marshmallows. I'll bet it's been at least 12 years since I ate one. I've waited long enough. I am a woman on a mission.......
Sorry, Mary - I only heard rumors about some of the same things you mentioned, but I don't know anything more. I'll have to check out your post about your experience, though!
Posted by lymeparfait (Member # 14268) on :
"I do wonder if the AI wouldn't treat the pyrool problem too, but I guess not, because we see people that are on AI still needing the KPU protocol..."
Selma, I am not doing the KPU protocol any more as the AI seems to be clearing it. Stopped the KPU after my first round of AI.
I did test positive for KPU, but my ND and I both energetically test now that I should only do the AI at this time.
Results are to be seen after completion of the AI, and I will report, but most that I know of who are doing the AI, are not doing the KPU.
I only know of two active posters doing both therapies together.
lp.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Does anyone know if homeopathic marshmallows taste as good as the real thing?
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Tell us more soon, Tracy! I wonder if zyto looks into causes.. want to know more what you mean by that. I have a list of stressors more pathgen toxin related..
Glad it all went so well:-)
LP and Selma.. when you get that KPU is cleared, do you also get a detox, moving of metals?
Thanks
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Robin, we may have to compare notes on the Zyto and CEDSA methods. Probably through PMs.
Perhaps stressors and causes equate to the same thing - just different terminology.
For example, 3 areas of my body came up as priority issues, and testing indicated that these 3 were all I could handle treating at one time. The causes for each were a little different, but they included: major pH balance issues and acidosis of my whole system, trace mineral deficiecies, heavy metals, toxins, and the Sycotic and Syphilitic MIASMS. (The miasms were inherited and who knows how far back they go in my ancestry.)
Note that 'infections' did NOT show up at all as 'causes' in these first 3 areas.... at least not at this time or not in these particular places. And the practitioner DID check for infections as a cause for each area - the list of possible causes was pretty long.
So, then the protocol - the products/substances/ homeopathics needed to balance these areas - is then put together and a final analysis is done to see how many problem areas - not just the top 3 - could be balanced or improved with the products. Isn't that very similar to the Zyto system?
Boy, if you ask me, we really need a thread out there where a number of these testing + treatment systems can be briefly explained and discussed, all in one place..... there are so many out there!
I'd start a thread myself but I'm still trying to find my fanny with both hands understanding this CEDSA stuff, plus I've received some fantastic information about my problems from another souce, so I'm on total overload.
When I think of all the medical 'tests' I would have had to do to learn what I have with the CEDSA, it seems pretty darn cheap.
As for treatment.... well, the practitioner warned me about detox symtpoms, etc. She has assured me that I'm not going to be lodging any heavy metals in my brain, that the support products I'll be using insure that the metals are eliminated, not relocated.
*gulp* Hope she's right....
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Tracy, great to read about your experiences with this testing machine.
Quite on the actuality, as I do think the AI does the same (with a computer, then create a remedy, probably something similar with Asyra or so?).
I wonder what kind of magical treatment your doc will give you to insure heavy metals are eliminated for good. That you GOT to share with us!!!!
Posted by lymeparfait (Member # 14268) on :
R62 - not sure about the movement of metals after the KPU clearing...neither has happened yet, but I am in anticipatin of metals and a form of detox happening with it.
I will post either way. This whole AI process could take a year's time. but I do see detox happening, but to what healing extent is the question.
This will be hard to compare individually, but so far I have experienced enough positives to say it has been worth it so far, no matter what else clears. It's fun to observe and get pleasantly surprised.
I'm interested in all each of you are investigating or trying, and love to hear all results. I will not do any other treatments until my AI is done, so I Know what treatment is actually ccomplishing what outcomes!
Although I am adding a few remedies for support when needed.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Interesting, Tracy.. probably are the same: stressors and causes..
I am going to ask for some things to be scanned that you got and I did not get scanned...
Did this person do a lyme panel with co infections?
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I also wonder the difference if any between AI and Asyra/Zyto etc like energetic drops.. the saliva or blood has to be scanned and then "energetic" balancers or informers? are put into the water?
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Thank you, LP.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Selma, when I sit down and figure out exactly what I'm taking, I'll try to sort out which is for what....
Robin, no, we didn't get into any investigation of infections as they didn't come up as a primary `cause' through testing (at this point). They might surface later or in another area - I've no idea. And I have no idea what this lady might have in her database of infections to look at.....
I wonder if all these testing methods are similar in how they `prioritize' individual malfunctions in the body. Do they all try to address the most basic, underlying problems first (the bottom of the pile)? Or do some of them work on the most obvious `top layer', and work downward?
In the case of the CEDSA, supposedly, it is MY body/brain that tells the machine what should be the priorities. In that sense, it's difficult to determine if my body is working from the top layer down, or from the bottom layer up. Or, none of the above.
I must confess, the treatment spooks me. Not only are there lots of homeopathics and potencies mixed together, but there's one remedy in there - Thuja - that I swore I would never take without the support of a homeopath. Thuja (and Sulphur, too) is known to `throw symptoms out to the surface'..... meaning that hidden or suppressed symptoms will manifest themselves...... it can be like poking a stick into a hornet's nest.
*gulp*
I haven't gone through all of the products yet to see what's in them..... and I don't have them all yet, anyway.
Meanwhile, summer is finally here and we are having incredible weather - not hot, not cold. I'd better enjoy it while it lasts. Could someone please pass the marshmallows?
Oh, one other thing....... ever since I started taking quite a bit of Himalayan salt - sometimes in water, sometimes I just lick it off my hand and then drink water - my urine smells REALLY strong, all day long. It's definitely related to the salt intake. Hopefully, it means that I'm releasing something nasty.
I keep looking around expecting to see a horse that has been drinking a lot of beer..... as if this smell couldn't possibly be from MY urine.......
Anyway, I've started backing off the salt late in the afternoon - give my kidneys a chance to clear everything out for a few hours.
(BTW, my `salt protocol' did test as something I should continue to do - all in keeping with the pH/ acidosis/ lack of trace minerals problem. The practitioner tested all of the supplements I'm currently taking, and everything checked out as being fairly `balanced' to my body, and compatible with her `protocol'. She suggested a small dosage change on a couple of them.)
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
My daughter used Thuja so much. It's a common remedy here sold over the counter against viral warts. That's the ONLY thing that works, that I found so far against these warts that are very common here in Europe.
I also use Thuya for the immune system sometimes. I find it gives a boost for some types of troubles...
Which potency is the person suggesting you to take, Tracy?
It seems you had a BIG trouble with electrolyte imbalance Tracy. Congrats for your horse wee!!!
Funny that electrolytes is one of the FIRST thing followers of dr. K. check you for. Electrolytes, enzymes, heavy metals.
I've been using Himalayan salt then for about 3 years (I guess since I first saw my naturopath) and I love it too. I cook with it, it tastes so much better than any salt!
When we were still sick, we drank a water solution (sucussed!!!) with bits of Himalayan salt every day. Now this simply doesn't test anymore. I guess when the body is not anymore sick, it loses less electrolytes or we get balanced only by eating minor amounts of salt in food, so no need to supplement?
If I were you, I would buy a bottle of Rechtsregulat, do a D1 dilution with it and take one dropperful a day. A bottle will last the whole year, probably. I find that another simple but very effective way of balancing the gut.
This D1 dilution of Rechts always tests better for us than any probiotics so far. I didn't buy Progurt though to compare. But I never felt adding probiotics for a long time did a great deal when compared to these enzymes (I also took Pro Em San and Vita Biosa). I liked them too.
---- I was reading about breathing exercises today (dr. Mercola was talking about an interesting breathing technicque called 4-7-8) and provided some other links to read about.
I am wondering if such technique (and another about breathing from different nostrils) wouldn't help us to have more oxygen INTO our cells.
The feeling after doing these exercises is REALLY good!!
Yes, oxygenation of our cells is another challenge. And when you think about it, most of the water we drink today is DEAD water; it has sat around in water tanks or pipes or bottles and lost most of its oxygen content. Maybe we need to buy those oxygenator things they put in fish tanks. Sometimes, I just succuss my water to put oxygen bubbles in it!
Rechsregulat, huh? I can't even remember what that's for..... well, one thing at a time. I'm working on the dog right now.....
Oh, and I think the Thuja is a 10x potency in the one product I have coming. Thuja is a wonderful remedy and some people handle it just fine. But if you scanned through hundreds of comments on homeopathic forums, you would notice that there are a surprising number of `HELP!' posts coming from people who have taken Thuja and they are having troubles. Good to know about the wart thing as I've developed a few small ones the last couple of years.......!
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Selma & Tracy -- a simpler solution might be prill stones. i haven't commented on it before, because I wanted to be sure, but i've energetically tested against "smart water" and is it's equal imo. One of my main issues last year was dehydration. I think this one little thing solved my dehydration issues forever for about 20 dollars, such a deal.
you don't have to agree with these gentlemen's methods for cleaning water. but at least agree who important it is for all our future.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Bob!
Many thanks for posting a 'testimonial' about the prill beads...... I'd forgotten I even had them.
Are you still drinking the Prill water? Did you get your beads from Global Light (globalight.net)?
I guess I got mine well over a year ago.... I bought the Prill Beads + the Cosmic Energy Stones as a package. I also bought one of those basic Stirwands..... I didn't tell anybody I got this stuff because it sounds so woo-woo and kooky .......
Unlike you, though, I didn't notice any difference from any of them. I tried the Stirwand first for a couple of weeks, then I made the Cosmic/Prill Water and didn't notice anything from that, either. I can't remember how long I tried this stuff, though.
Bob, what kind of water did you use with your Prill Beads? (Distilled, filtered, RO, etc.)
I think I should try all this stuff again. I can't remember enough about what else I was doing at the time, so I should just start over.
There's a PDF file at Global Light about the Cosmic Energy Stones that got me interested. Here are a couple of excerpts:
quote:Cosmic Water emits infrared energy. Infrared energy energizes water molecules in the body and improves oxygen levels. Infrared energy warms fats, chemicals and toxins in the blood to assist in eliminating them and also improves the flow of blood. It also helps reduce body acidity.......
The Cosmic Energy Stones modify water in five main ways: - Making water more alkaline-producing when processed by the body - Flooding water with a wavelength of 656 nanometers (far infrared) energy - Reducing surface tension more than 8 percent - Increasing water's Life Force energy and changing water's atomic spin. - Removing deuterium oxide from water.
I thought it was interesting that one person at Curezone said the Prill Beads stopped working after awhile.
I'll go read the line from your second post.....
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Bob, I didn't understand something you wrote......
**``i've energetically tested against "smart water" and is it's equal imo.''**
``Smart water' is something you didn't test for, but the prill water is similar? I guess I don't understand - could you clarify for me?
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
I took two bottles of water and asked the question which one would be more hydrating. Which one would be more nutritionally valuable. I got an equal response from both questions.
So economically speaking, the prill stone are far more economical then buying smart water. 20 dollars and you have the prill for life.
The water by itself isn't going to get you well. But it will aid in detoxification, but more important, you'll be hydrated.
I drink about 48 ozs of prill water every day. I also drink a lot of herbal teas, about 32 ozs of different varieties made with prill water. The teas are concentrating on the kidneys and bladder function.
As far as the cure zone comment on stop working, well how detoxified or hydrated can you get. In other words the water completed its job.
I'd say my hydration is perfect right now, I'm not quite sure I'm completely detoxified yet. But I believe the water does help.
It would be great now to see if a few others would try it and offer comments. I believe it has helped me over the months of using it.
And your right, its way too woowoo for most here. Especially the idiots who complain every alternative is MLM. I really don't care what folks think of me, to me its more important to try something and post the results if it seems to help. Which i did, so if I was guinea pig so be it. We all are guinea pigs whether we're using long term ABX or MMS.
I alway keep the eyes on the prize. Health not just for myself, but for all lymies.
No one has a lock on how to cure lyme for all of us yet. We may find we need lots of levers to remove this disease. Water, Air, Food, environment and desire to be well, might just be the most important levers to getting well -- not just killing some organism.
Water is very important lever, if this works for 20 dollars for life, seems like a modest investment. Then, why don't we as a forum have few people try it. And let are own testimonials guide us from people who have posted and those we respect.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Oh, I see what you mean now. Thanks for the clarification, Bob.
So, what kind of water do you use to make your `prill water' with? I'd like to know since maybe I wasn't using the right water to start with when I did this before.
And I wasn't sure if it would be wise to heat/boil prill water or not (for teas and such), but I guess you are doing that, too.
If I'd had any success with my Cosmic Water, I would have posted about it, too - kooky or woo-woo or not. It will be interesting to see if it works for me this time, now that I've stopped using regular salt, added more trace minerals (Himalayan & sea salt) and changed my diet a lot.
I started seeing signs of hydration problems clear back in about 1880, so I've had this problem awhile. Maybe that means it will take longer for me to respond to prill water. This hydration thing has to be a key element in toxin/waste removal and nutrient uptake....
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Amybody heard from Sparkle or Alv? Just wondering if they were okay.....
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I started a thread called, Epigenetics, if anyone is interested.
Tracy -- prill can be used in teas as well. It took 2 to 3 months for prill to rehydrate me, I was extremely dehydrated. I can't say it was totally responsible, because I've taken sooo many things all natural though.
So you have to be patient, by the way I think you meant 1980.
I have an aquasana filter and use the water filtered from the tap.
A pinch of a good cayenne pepper and lemon every now and then might help as well.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
R62, I should probably stay away from the Epigenetics thread...... it is my contention that Epigenetics is simply `science' catching up with the homeopathic Miasm theory. Some people get all bent out of shape over that.
Thanks, Bob. I think I'll use filtered tap water, too rather than distilled (though I have a distiller if I want to change or do that from time to time.) I cleaned out my Cosmic/ Prill water jar last night - I had left water in there with the prill beads and stones for months. I had to use Limeaway to get the mineral deposits off the glass. But it was completely different than the stuff I have to clean out of my distiller. Interesting.
Ha, ha! Must have been my inherited Miasms talking when I typed 1880 in my previous post.
I can only tolerate a wee bit of cayenne - if I wanted to take much of it I'd have to put it in capsules. Lemon trashes my stomach. I can't figure that out. I can drink this hot, ultra-salty water all day long and never a problem. A few drops of lemon in water and my intestines tend to get all bloated and rigid. (Probably some parasite down there that just doesn't care for lemon. Though this can happen with Stevia, too. All these things I mentioned should be alkalizing...... - go figure.)
Nobody has heard from Sparkle? Do we know that she's okay?
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Actually, I would like to hear your thoughts on that, Tracy.
Sadly, very few are going to be interested in the topic anyway.
Thats too bad when epigenetics is the basis of the future of medicine.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
No not heard from Sparkle and hope she is OK as well..
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Sparkle is fine, I think she needs some time off from the lyme world.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Oh, thanks for the Sparkle Report, Bob. Good to know.
I started back on the Cosmic/ Prill Water yesterday. I'll be more patient watching for results this time.
R62, I'll post on the Epigenetics thread and bring it back to the first page. Maybe it's the wrong time of year for that type of discussion. People are busy enjoying what they can of summer or are involved in warm-weather projects. I know that's my main issue right now - too many other priorities occupying my mind.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I'm also out a bit from LN.
I think Sparkle is fine (she sent me an email not long ago that I still have to answer...) and great to know Alv is trying to live her life again!
If it takes time to get out of lyme and all health problems, it takes LONGER to heal the rest around (relashionships, house, garden, professional life). Much longer than healing the body.
Creativeness will come up again slowly, knowing again what is to ENJOY simple things in life will come back again (music, dance, eating out, friends swimming, cycling, reading things that have nothing to do with lyme or disease, and so on...).
The physical energy is the first to come back and it can come back rather fast when all infections and great load of toxins are out. Multitasking comes back with physical energy, I feel.
But all the other subtler energies will come back only slowly after. For me, the main thing I notice that is back is INITIATIVE. I only knew I had lost it for years when it finally came back recently.
I find it is mixed with creativeness and feeling pleasure. I want to get more pleasure out of everything (food, activities, work, relashionships, music, whatever), then I'm more creative to achieve that. All that involves personal initiative, get to the telephone, google, new shops, new places, new experiments...
When I was still sick, to go out to simple excursions or to the swimming pool was hell. It involved so much planning that I couldn't handle without much effort. I still remember that very clearly, like if it were yesterday.
Driving became boring again, while before it was big effort not to crash into another car or kill a pedestrian!
Even my sense of direction came back, and I feel, better than I ever had. I suppose some heavy metal cleansing in my brain did the job?
It is funny that these 3 concepts keep popping up in my head (initiative, creativeness and pleasure) as though I had never had them before. I am only SO aware of them because I lost them during lyme.
I'm also working on my fears, that sickness will come back again one day. I still have to fight with my brain saying "I don't need to take these remedies with me anymore when I go out for a week". Nor my PE-1.
That is where I'm working now. I can't live in constant fear of being sick again, I have to enjoy life as it is. But it is not that easy because I'm dealing with a recent trauma.
Enjoy the sun and the water, Alv! These precious moments, even if we relapse a bit after, will be imprinted and are sort of inspiration for us to continue our healing journeys!
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
Great to hear you're doing well, Alv; all the best to you,
Carry
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Alv! You GO, girl! Enjoy your improved health, by all means. That's the bottom line for all of us. And thanks for checking in - I was wondering about you......
And same for you, Selma - in your recent post - and other posts, as well - you've beautifully described your journey back to wellness and the `collateral' healing that takes place along with just the physical aspect.
I want to experience those things that you and Alv - and Bob and Bejoy, etc. - have described. I felt like I was on my way there before I broke my pelvis 2 years ago. Nothing has been the same with me since then. It seemed like I `recovered' well from the actual physical broken bone itself and thought that's all that mattered, but something fundamental was altered.
I lost my boyfriend of 6 years at almost the same time. I thought I handled that somewhat gracefully, as well. Maybe it was the combination of the two events - enough `trauma' on more than just the physical level that set certain processes in motion...... and shut down other areas of Me. Whatever it was that changed, I simply could not `pick up where I left off' and move forward.
Now I know why some prominent homeopaths and unorthodox practitioners write entire books on the effects of trauma. And no wonder some of the treatments along the lines of AI are getting a lot of well-deserved attention. We all have a lot to `undo' and a lot to get rid of besides just infections.
I'll be starting my new `protocol' in early August - after a couple of important events are finished. Plus, there was a foul-up and still one product I don't have yet.
And besides eating some toasted marshmallows this summer, I plan to find some time to go shooting in the near future. It's been nearly 3 years. Time to enjoy it again before I forget how.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Congratultions Alv and Selma.:-) Thank you so much for sharing your journey with us and leaving so much good insight and experience for us.
I have taken the yasko test for methylation and have 15 of 30 genes polymorphic. Urine test shows very low to non existant cobalt which is supposed to mean B12 is not being utilized.
I have located an ND who is familiar with the methylation issues and works in a clinic that incorporates many of Dr. Ks techniques.
She uses Scio and there are detox specialists there who use ART. They work as a team. I will hopefully have my amalgam situation evaluated.. and taken care of there.
Hoping to find an energetic way to address methylation and everything else for that matter. I think this may be my best place to go for now.
My goal is if there is active Bb, to eventually treat with photons. I cant see using the abx route or herbs long term. But.. whatever it takes to get well, i need to stay open to.
Please share your new protocol, Tracy!
Oh.. body temp is still regulated and hair still not falling out from NMT. Less shakes and tremors (knock on wood) but more pain and muscle weakness. Not sure if it is the NMT working things out or the way lyme and company works. We worked on a balancing immune pathway last time and are to work on the two other pathogen pathways next unless something else comes up.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
R62 -- add the mms, 6 drops in water twice a day it will kill the lyme start with one drop twice a day working to 6. Your body shouldn't struggle to much with that dose and imo is synergistic with the LED. Add l-citrulline when doing the LED treatments 1/4 teaspoon of powder twice a day. first thing in the morning and before bed at night. Will take care of any ammonia buildup as well as increasing nitrous oxide lost from the LED treatment. Just my opinion, but I think that will get you closer. If later down the road you need to do KPU which I'm guessing is the case.
I also like taking teasel root tincture. 2 to 3 drops in water three times a day. I feel it is very strong herbal medicine.
by doing all the above, take herbs to support liver, kidneys and bladder to help ensure elimination and organ health.
I'm writing this quickly, just providing some ideas for others to chime in.
Tracy soooo sorry for some of the traumas you had to endure. I hope sometime in the future we can all sit down together and enjoy a few of your famous toasted morcels and have a good laugh.
I'm very happy for the success of both Alv and Selma. Its sweeter then marshmallow morcels.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
R62, I will share my protocol, though about all I will be able to tell you is the name of the product and what in it and what it's supposed to do...... I finally got a list made up and a `schedule' made so I can stay on track. Oh, and some of the `imprinting' stuff she did is only available as a printout, and I won't have that info for a week or two. I'm still VERY nervous about some of this.....
R62, with all these tests you've had done, was there any protocol or products recommended at the time for treatment? (I think you talked about some of this but that was many pages back. I'm not sure what you ended up doing and how you ended up taking/doing what you have recently....)
Thanks, Bob - I know we've all been to hell and back at various times in our lives. I also know that some are more likely to be affected long-term than others, and as in my case, I'm not even aware of it. The effect goes far beneath the surface.
Bob, you've mentioned bile salts in the past. Could you share what specific product(s) you used?
Preferably on a beach near sunset...... I love the image of all of us sharing some laughs around a fire while toasting a few marshmallows. By the way, you get penalized if your marshmallow catches fire...... so I suggest you practice beforehand.
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
I've got to admit it, I've been too busy enjoying life to spend much time on lymenet. I'm writing this with a huge sense of happiness, and with great encouragement to everybody that you can get well.
I spent the weekend hiking at 9,000 feet enjoying the alpine wildflowers, and also remembering how to roll my kayak in the local reservoir, something I have not dreamed of attempting in many years.
I have had lyme and or co-infections since I was 7. I'm 44 now. I was seriously ill for most of the last 15 years, with some rebounds and breaks along the way.
The deeper I look into my recovery process, the more I understand about shock and trauma on a deep level, to the point that it affects the immune system.
The body/mind is one system, and trauma is trauma regardless of the cause. Trauma can come from car accidents, abandonment, toxins, bacterial overload, and anything too intense to handle all at once.
When there is more trauma than we can handle, the body will go into shock, and become unresponsive to the situation. Even the immune system will sometimes not respond to a terrible onslaught of multiple tick born infections, This can help why some people are more vulnerable than others to tick born infections.
My history contained birth trauma, loss of a sibling, mercury toxicity from a mouth full of amalgams, encephalitis at age 7, a serious neck injury at age 17 without any family support, yada, yada.
At 22 multiple tick bites and weeks of no sleep threw me into illness without internal reserves or external resources to recover.
The key to my recovery seems to be gathering resources of all kinds to help the limbic system and immune system recover from shock and trauma, so they can respond to illness in a healthy way.
Treatment included counseling, bodywork for physical injury, CST for deep level shock, and of course immune support to attack the pathogens, and detox support to clear all manor of the unwanted out of the body.
Clearing lyme borrelia to the point that my immune system can effectively respond to any low level that may pop up has been a remarkable and successful journey.
I have twice had lyme return symptomatically after periods of extreme stress and trauma, but both times recovery was straight forward using the biophoton and nosode technique.
A very interesting aspect of my recovery has been the discovery of the tick born encephalitis viruses. There seem to be at least one American version and one European. Thanks to Selma for alerting me to the FSME virus.
Biophoton and Nosode treatment for this virus is currently balancing my hormones, reducing pain in my neck and shoulders, giving me more energy, and increasing my neurotransmitters to the point that I feel happier than I remember, possibly ever.
I have treated both with an energy transfer of nosodes available in Europe, and with a series remedy made from the energy signature tester vial.
I encourage people with chronic fatigue symptoms to check into the possibility of these viruses, and to treat as appropriate.
This has been the next step in getting my life back for real.
Best wishes to you all in your health and recovery.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks for inquiring about me. I'm doing OK. Not completely cured but OK. My main problem now is bad lower back pain. I'm not exactly sure what's causing it.
It may be parasites, a structural thing, or something I can't even imagine, yet. My feeling is that it's still parasites & I ordered some Humaworm today.
I guess I just realized that I didn't have Lyme. I really believe that my main issue is parasites. I went through alot of phases of freaking out & trying to kill everything off too quickly.
There are probably people here who have been misdiagnosed as having Lyme when they don't just like the false negatives.
I wanted to post a warning about MMS. It is very strong stuff & not to be taken casually. Once you begin to kill of the parasites, you may become very ill. Both myself & my guy became very ill from doing this. It kind of feels like a bad flu or virus.
My advice at this point is that one could look at Lyme, etc. as a parasite & start from that point of view. My feeling is that all of the energetic testing & computerized stuff can make things very complicated.
In my experience, it was better to simplify & to start with cleansing & detox. It's really quite powerful. I became quite ill from detoxing which pulled massive amounts of stuff out of me that I would never have imagined were in my body making me ill.
Someone inquired about people getting ill from using the infrared light - yes.... people did become very ill on occasion. One lady e-mailed me & said she ended up in the ER due to using the LightWorks & taking abx at the same time. There have been other occasions where people became very ill, as well.
There was a good article on Mercola recently about certain types of abx. Many of the side effects of abx as were described are the same as symptoms of Lyme as people post here! How do they know which is what?
I became a bit put off by this message board since there may be people here who derive money from touting products. Once we have that, objectivity about treatments goes right out the window.
It also occurred to me that some people here could have obsessions with medical treatments, being ill, etc.
I'm not discounting anyone's suffering or search for a treatment that works - but the concept of obsessiveness did cross my mind.
It also occurred that these people with the energetic testing could take advantage of people & make quite alot of money selling people all kinds of stuff that they don't really need.
I'm not trying to invalidate anything but I'm going to be a bit cautious about this area of medicine. Intuition & trust play a big part in getting well. There are people out there taking advantage of people's desperation & trust.
For me - years of research came down to treating with some of the simplest & most inexpensive things. These are the things that have worked for me. It may not work for others but it's working for me.
I wish I used that $10 grand I dropped on the Fibromyalgia & Fatigue Center & went on vacation to Hawaii instead...
Take care folks!
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
That's great bejoy, we seem to all be making progress.
I feel your description of tick born encephalitis viruses had triggered memories of a tick that bit me January 2008. I thought I was making good progress but then started to slip. I found my thyroid tsh level was 72 at one point.
It feels good to feel healthy again. I'm glad your feeling well.
I've been doing a limited form of the KPU protocol. I was taking a good bit of ionic zinc, equivalent to the recommended KPU dose. A little over a week I no longer test for it. I still test for evening primrose, manganese is a no, but still testing for b6.
Its great knowing when and when not to do something.
I'm also thinking of going to a raymon grace seminar in virginia. aug 2 and 3.
I've been creating my own tinctures. I'm planning on starting a poke root, yarrow, st johns wort, and teasel root tincture tomorrow. There is a field growing these plants wild.
I'm going to purchase a PE1 just to have one. The lightworks is just not powerful enough.
Tracy -- the bile acid factors is from Jarrow. I got it had iherb. I used it for about 8 weeks and haven't tested for it since. Bile is interesting, we produce it in small quantities, and our body recycles it. If something damages the level of bile we can find ourselves deficient. Just taking bile acid for a little while can replenish the stores of bile.
Energetic testing allows you to determine if you need more.
Posted by jl123 (Member # 15594) on :
BeeJoy,
You wrote: "The key to my recovery seems to be gathering resources of all kinds to help the limbic system and immune system recover from shock and trauma, so they can respond to illness in a healthy way. "
Are you saying you did not use any herbal or abx to kill your lyme but rather used techniques to build up your immune system? Yes? thanks, JL
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I have a feeling you are right for more than you Bejoy. I have a strong feeling this will be true for me as well.
Excited to hear more, Tracy. Yes a protocol, very low dose supplements.. its all very interesting. This therapy is described as epigenetic through use of supps to support the methylation cycle.
It would be very interesting to see how homeopathic dilutions of the supps would work.. or if trauma work, etc would do the same. I am going to give specific genetic snps to my NMT therapist to include in one of her scripts.
Bob.. wish I could. I'm concerned about citrilline and how it plays in the methyaltion cycle for one who is "broken". Not sure what it breaks down into. I know some of the supps for ammonia break down into glutamate and I may be high in that as well. None of the amino acid supps are recommended by the protocol.. there has to be a reason. I asked the board and waiting for a response. Dr. Y is very particular about how each supp effects the cycle and other supps. Its a strict protocol.
Anyone heard of the teasel healing that uses the flower essence.. think thats how it works.
Friend also doing NMT had a fear traced back to an age of a trauma, had the memory and release from that age which was definitely related to the fear... I didnt know NMT did this and am asking next session to make sure. The practioner combines therapies.. healed his wife and a family member of MS with NMT, alone or in combo with other like therapies.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Sparkle.. good to hear from you.
Side effects of abx (or any medication).. I have been thinking that alot lately when listening to commercials for drugs.. thinking.. those are my symptoms..
Intuition and trust are huge and so is the process that we all take to our own recovery. Its all a learning process and we all are here to learn different things.. and sometimes the same thing. Like religion.. its personal and sacred this path of illness and healing.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Teasel either works wonderful or does nothing. This is my own experience. My old lyme disease reacted ZERO to teasel.
Then I got bitten again a few times, and in one of these times, teasel tested good. I took it and yes, it worked VERY WELL.
Daughter's FSME reacted very well to teasel too. Not only as monotherapy, but yes, she reacted well to it too.
Another hint for FSME, high doses of Vit A. But I don't know if it helps with old FSME infections (with acute, it does seem to help).
As for MMS, different diseases, different people, different treatments. I could never ingest it. Rubbed on skin, yes, but not ingest it.
Bob, try to ask if you need MANGANESE WITH ZINC to DETOX heavy metals. If I merely asked 'do I need manganese? or Zinc? I never got any positive.
As for bile, I guess if we add fats (butter, cream, and any natural oils) on the right combination (together with the right foods), it makes your body to produce bile already (?).
Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
JL, I've used just about everything in my recovery, abx, herbs, homeopathy, structural work, etc. They all helped. In fact the bacteria killing took away some of the cause of shock and overwhelm.
I'm just looking at healing through a different filter at the moment. For me the resources for bacteria killing were essential, but the bottom line was a system too overwhelmed to fight on it's own any more.
What I'm seeing at the present time is how major trauma and micro traumas throughout my life left my body in shock to the point that I had no internal resources to fight infection.
Healing the shock gives my body back the capacity to fight infection in a normal way, like those other people who get bitten but don't get many symptoms...until they have a life crisis.
I have been using biophotons with nosodes to alert my immune system to pathogens it had been ignoring because of being overwhelmed.
I may be talking about trauma in such a way as to make it sound too simplistic. Simple the concept may be, but easy to overcome it may not be. Just going to counseling to get over your issues probably is not going to heal lyme for anybody.
Dealing with trauma on a deep neurological level might heal somebody's lyme, but even so, I wouldn't bet on it without some additional bacteria-fighting technology. Both together are very effective, in my opinion. Take your pick of bacteria fighters. I prefer biophotons and nosodes.
I've seen several different technologies that deal with neurological shock. They include craniosacral therapy, network chiropractic, rapid eye, EFT, NET. I'm sure there are many others. The effectiveness of the therapy usually depends on the skill of the therapist.
I prefer to work with somebody who doesn't need to heal me for their sake, and can just do the techniques from a place of peacefulness and patience with the process. I find that this is usually somebody who has been through their share of trauma and has overcome a great deal of it.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
The teasel i'm using isn't targetted for lyme anymore, just don't think I've got it. it just to help rebuild what is broken, leg muscle and bones. I test very strong for it!
Selma, I don't test very strong for manganese either or together. I think I topped out on both of these metals and I'm in the stage of backing off them. I test more for the b6 and evening primrose then anything else and I think that is winding down too.
I finally broke down and purchased a PE1. Talked with its maker for about 30 minutes, he has great deal of information that he shares on the site.
I determined lightworks isn't going to cut it for the long term. Its just not well built enough. Mine is starting to fail at times. I know a pe1 over the years is going to be a great purchase.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I would like you guys to know that I'm not anti infrared light & energetic testing. In my case, I feel there is something physical that I needed to work on removing.
I'm concerned that residue from chemtrails or biowarfare may be influencing readings from energetic testing. In my case, several energetic testing methods did not find parasites that I clearly saw leaving my body. So, it can be hit or miss - just like standard lab tests.
I would like to go back to treating on a more subtle level at some point but I found it was important to get as much of the toxins out as possible, first.
Where I live is incredibly sunny & it's stronger than where I lived prior. I have been spending time outside to get infrared light & vit. D.
I feel I don't need to use the LightWorks right now. My feeling now (which I may change as some other time) is that the exposure to LED infrared light may be imbalanced as compared to natural sunlight.
I'm not sure what role the Nogier frequencies add. It may be possible to tape remedies onto the body & just go outside to get the effect. I haven't tried it, so I'm not sure what the result would be as compared to using a device.
I have been reading some of Dr. Schulze's ideas & they make sense to some degree. I just decided to try to take everything back to a simplified form of treatment to see how far I could get with it.
With some of these supplements, we really don't know what the long term repercussions will be to use on their own or in combination.
We also don't know if the supplements are potent or pure, as is the case with many herbal products. Sometimes, they use inferior products to produce the supplements or herbal tinctures/pills. They also may not be as strong as they could be.
If things like trauma or epigenetics can influence our health - it's worthwhile to consider the effects of everything. It's hard to get away from all the toxins, pathogens, toxic emotions, everyday exposure to memes, etc. We don't really know how everything will effects us psychically, spiritually, physically, emotionally...
I decided to try some basic hygiene & concepts of detox as a way to approach the issues of toxification & exposure to pathogens. I'm not sure it will work completely but I figured I'd give it a try.
Bob- I've read some of Raymon Grace's stuff - very interesting!
Good luck to everyone!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Tracy, I'll get back to you soon, sorry for delay in answering your email!
I hope you are feeling alright. Summer is here, and my moving away too, so quite messy. I'm now on my herbal and remedy cabinetS. There are thousands (no exaggeration) of things to sort out and throw out and to keep.
I discovered I have so many OWN homeopathic substances I had done by myself... I also put all your little homeopathic gifts in bottles and I keep them as gold!!
I didn't take any carcinosin, but stopped testing for it... I guess either a scar treatment or a kind of reiki treatment 'canceled' it.
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I just want to share with you all (that got an infrared machine) that I think I found an effective way to get rid of scars (I mean, of scars as causing troubles)!
The technique is the following: pulsed light, about 60-70% potency, different Nogier frequencies for each scar (muscle tested).
I applied light to the scar, while I tapped all MFT about 12 times each, in order from MFT 1 to MFT 9, and then repeated the operation.
Sometimes, my scar needed still to get further photons without the tapping, but usually, that 2x MFT sequence tapping was enough.
I suspect that I will only need treatment again in 2 months or even 3 months. I will do every month for about 3 months to see if they are definitively gone.
-- congrats for your PE1 Bob! Welcome to the club then!!!
Great that teasel works for something else than killing! I didn't know it does. ---
Update, if I didn't do it yet:
I had a recent fight with candida (that got dormant fast with Sanum Albicansan and San candida). No diet, no clear symptoms.
My daughter fought something in her intestines too, that reacted to Fortakehl and Ledum. It is dormant too.
It happened when we stopped ALL treatments.
I think that some sort of REIKI massage in the chakras is what we are needing to continue detoxing without supplements. So we are back to this reiki 'massage'.
A few days ago, I noticed I had some pain in one of my thumbs. I tested my box of nosodes, and what came up is NONE of the Bb nosodes (not even the 1,000K), but Borrelia ANTIGEN. So I photooned the nosodes, and yes, the pain is gone.
Funny thing is that one of my toes started to 'herx' too after photoning with Borrelia antigen.
gotta go again!
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Hey, Sparkle - thanks for checking in and letting us know how you are and what you're up to! Sunlight destroys homeopathic remedies - just something to keep in mind if you decide to experiment with taping remedy vials to your body out in the sun. I don't' know much beyond that so not sure which light waves do the damage.
As for energetic testing - computerized or otherwise - I hope it will turn out to be a valid from of prioritization. When too many things go haywire, it becomes nearly impossible to know instinctively where to start. Eventually, perhaps I'll be able to dowse or use a bobber or muscle testing, but until my body gets hydrated and minerals are more in balance, I'm not a good `conduit' for energetic currents. The accuracy won't be consistent. I can still practice, though.
Bob, thanks for info on bile and the Jarrow bile acid factors. I had no idea that we recycle bile! I've realized that my current bowel issue may be a deficiency of bile (judging from my stool color, which HAS changed). Since our intestines require bile to stimulate movement (peristalsis) and keep stool soft, this makes sense. And what also fits the picture is that I'm borderline low on sodium (blood tests) and energetic tests indicate I'm deficient in most minerals, and sodium is ESSENTIAL for bile production. So, it's back to the main mineral/ electrolyte issue. Not sure if I'll order the Jarrow product or just limp along and wait to start my `protocol' and see how that goes.
I've been tempted to try the Triphala again, but really don't want the same problems it caused me before. I should probably just sit tight (no pun intended) and not over-think or over-orchestrate too much right now.
And Bob, I really hope you can go to that Raymon Grace seminar. You seem like a perfect candidate for the type of work that Raymon does! And I'm sure there will be a lot you can share with us, as well. Go for it!
Bejoy, you've expressed the whole trauma dynamic perfectly - thanks so much for that.
R62, yes it WOULD be interesting to see how homeopathic dilutions of various supps might work. Selma has certainly found that dilutions often work better than `therapeutic' (full strength) doses.
HI, Selma - no problem. Just answer when you get time. I need to send you another e-mail, too.
Re the Carcinosin (cancer remedy): When indicated and at the right time, it is a ``beautiful'' remedy, according to a German homeopath I've chatted with who was involved in translating an Austrian proving of Carcinosin. She has studied the remedy in depth and said this is a very deep remedy and so often indicated today, especially in kids, but is often overlooked. (you don't have to have cancer to need this remedy, BTW)
I've been attempting to learn the MFT - Mental Field Therapy - tapping technique that Selma has been talking about on LymeNet for ages! (Thanks Selma!)
There's a basic routine involving a specific sequence of points for tapping combined with speaking corrective affirmations for a given problem (physical, mental, etc.) - this varies a bit depending on which website or practitioner is explaining the procedure. When I become familiar and comfortable with the basic routine, I can incorporate more specific body areas for `treatment', like scars, organs, etc. - anything where there might be some blockage or energy drain.
It seems simple enough on the surface, and staying `in the present' and avoiding language which could have a negative effect appear to be the only pitfalls. I really hope I can work with this and get my `regulation' going better before I start the new `protocol'.
I'll be honest - having had no perceivable success with `positive thinking' exercises or reciting personal affirmations in the past, I'm not altogether convinced this will do anything. It's not the validity of the technique that I question; it's my personal capability that I wonder about. But the good news is that I don't have to believe in it for it to work. Not only that, it's free so there's nothing to lose if nothing comes of it.
Maybe most of you already do this or some version of it. (I explained a little about it for those reading this who may not be familiar with it.) If you have any tips, please pass them forward!
Here are a couple of websites about MFT (or EFT - Emotional Freedom Technique or MTT - Meridian Tapping Technique - all very similar):
Yikes! I better get going, too.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Tracy, on positive thinking... There's another technique using MFT 1 and MFT 2 SIMULTANEOUSLY tapped that is not positive thinking but sort of NEGATIVE thinking!
You would be amazed to see how this negative thinking technique works!!! You think of the trouble (negative) and then tap these points and suddenly, the trouble feels like fainting. It's as though the trouble, when it surfaces with words and tapping, stops to be a problem! Wihtout any positive suggestion!
It is though a bit dangerous to do that often as according to dr. K. this specific treatment reaches the lymbic brain. Meaning, it changes your 'animal brain', so it's very very deep inside.
Not indicated for all types of troubles either (it will take too long to explain here).
I'm experimenting now with photons to see if we need less time tapping... I'm still not sure for all cases. So far, I guess the scar treatment is efficient, but the rest (positive statements, negative statments, switching...), I'm still experimenting. Bejoy is also!!!
So let's see what we come up with in the next weeks. She's got 2 photon machines, so she can flash simultaneously two points (the switching points, for example). I am just wondering if one can't get an overdose of light, but hopefully not as the treatment itself is short.
Anyway, I certainly wouldn't be playing with photons with parasites (if I had active parasites). I still couldn't find any parasite that is killed with photons. On the contrary, it seems they benefit from it.
Update on hubby's liver and GI fluke. Psorinum Vet homeopathic is NOT eliminating the whole 'infection' by itself. I just changed his protocol to either ANDROGRAPHIS + GERVAO or GERVAO + bellis perenis tincture (homemade, from a sort of daisy flower).
My brother took Humaworm and is still with symptoms. So it didn't work either for him.
I start to see why people have troubles to kill parasites like liver flukes. I would just keep adding herbs like I did with bacteries, but 'normal' people are afraid of combinations and prefer going one by one (my brother is like that).
Buhner would certainly recommend the opposite, combinations!!
I would also add microcurrent or Rife. I think daughter and I never struggled a lot with parasites because they really got killed with microcurrent. Hubby hates microcurrent, so he has to go only with herbs. He can't stand it more than a few minutes (the KMT).
Let's see how long he will still take to eliminate his critters only with herbs! I feel kind of funny to get back to the herbal world, trying to find good combinations to deal with eggs, larvae, adult forms. A bit like going back to the past when I had only herbs to kill!
It feels a bit old fashioned now!!!
He is feeling tired, so it may be that I got it! He also had a flare (for 2 days) of Mucor mucedo suggesting (for me) that there's some killing going on.
With Sanum, again, Mucor muc is dormant for him, so here we go adding chlorella tomorrow...
---- Hey Bob, great you got into doing your tinctures! I love doing my own too.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Uncovering more with my tests. Mycoplasma, strep, clostridia in gut. Stongyloides. MAP and Amino Acids tests pending. B12 not bring absorbed.
I have a light coming thats blue, green and infrared with a place in it to put vials. Its for detox. I can share more as I learn more.
New ND is not as alternative as I hoped but same clinic is totally alternative on the detox team.. they divide these things up. treatment and detox.. they have LED detox, MFT, AET, etc.
ND wonders bart but I have strong reservations. Did not show up twice on zyto. Anxiety can be caused by other things like possibly the gut situation or lyme.. pooling in legs may not be bart edema.. so we are testing again.. like that means anything. She also has a Scio and I am not sure that tests for lyme bugs. We are also checking for systemic yeast.
Working on methylation (to include ammonia) and gut first. Hopefully Amino acids and metabolic tests will be very revealing. I wish they used ART for treatment like they do for detox there.. doesnt make sense does it?
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Have used EFT recently on several occasions and immediate relief... so many layers to peel, though..
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Dead tick barely embedded in my daughter... any clue how a tick can die barely embedded. Every small... made me wonder about using LED on points after someone has been bitten. She is taking lyme homocord.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
What's a `lyme' homochord? (I know the homochord part - I just don't know what the remedy is - Bb nosode or something else?)
One Lymie I know says that every tick that bites her dies.
Thanks for pointing us to your NMT update.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Brussels--
Very interesting about the photons possibly strengthening the parasites. So curious to find out why it works for most infections but not parasites. I've heard from others that photons don't work for parasites all that well too. However, maybe not so much for larger parasites, but babesia--considered a parasite--seems to respond well to photon therapy.
I was recently put back on wormwood, so I'm probably dealing with c. pulmoni again. Only wormwood tested--no humaworm, no VRM formulas--so I'm pretty certain it's this one.
I'm having a lot of success with ozone thus far. Although ear insufflation was originally suggested as a way of easing into ozone therapy, it increased my brain fog tremendously and I found out later it was because I have a backload of toxins in the hindbrain. Now I'm just doing ozonated water, sauna, and rectal insufflation. I think the rectal is by far the most beneficial, because my gut is still a huge problem (despite taking progurt). I can actually feel an immediate different in energy after the rectal.
I've also been using photons as a means of replacing neural therapy (ref. Brussels above). It seems to be working well, so I'm delighted that I don't need to go hunt down a NT practitioner to inject procaine. my first procaine/prolotherapy injection was $250. Straight up ridiculous, because in europe I heard it costs 1 euro.
I got a mouthguard recently for my jaw occlusion, which was tested to be a huge problem with polarization filter (ART). I also had pain on the left TM nerve, but I could never quite figure out what it was due to. Now with the mouthguard, my jaw isn't testing anymore, and the pain on my left hip & knee are better too! Interesting how our biodynamics tend to work in a top-down way.
I would love some more info on this homochord business! Tick repellent in the blood--tempting to say the least.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Its a Bb nosode with all the dilutions. Thats a homocord, right? ??
She had red blotches on her chest this AM that went away in a few hours. She says she has had them before... ??
I dont understand the dead tick. It looks like one I found hanging on the dog.. dead and barely embedded.. the dog is on frontline.
So many ?? (questions) these days.
Thank you for the neural therapy directions, Selma!
I've lost my muscle tester. I dont trust her testing anyway at this point. Cant get a consistant hang of the pendulum. Considering the biotensor but wondering if that is really that helpful?
I think my kids will see her last time for a while at least and we are going to concentrate on their guts. After looking at my results, and knowing their main symptoms are gut related, I think logically this makes sense. I think you can energetic test on a bandaid level too much. got to use it with some logic or deeper thought than just muscle testing organs and symptoms in a hodge podge way.. perhaps I am missing something here...
Thats intereting about the ozone, Joey. Thank you for sharing that.
My flora and sig A are up thanks I think to VSL. The gut bacteria are out of whack though. Mycoplasma in teh gut concerns me and I cant get any info on that. Anyone familiar?
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
Oh.. my daughter has been bitten more than once this year.. last one was not dead. We did catch it fairly soon.
This last one might have been on half a day?
My husband is out in the yard all the time and never gets bitten.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Question:
Has anyone heard anything about Dr. Cheney's bison cell-signaling factors and stem cells? This is interesting to me in light of epigenetics and signals being the ultimate decider of gene expression. Cheney's protocol addresses both the hardware (actual gene replacement with stem cells) and software (shunting gene expression-phenotype-to normal with bison CSF).
Here is the quote on the more difficult to do of the two, replacing the software:
"Dr. Cheney has found that certain low molecular weight peptides called Cell Signaling Factors (CSF's) have the ability to more quickly shift gene expression towards normal as measured by echocardiography. CSF's can often improve function within 90 days, though tests results show progress well before the patient actually experiences it. For instance, measurements of cardiac diastolic function typically improve months before patients report feeling better and doing more."
This sounds more promising to me than just replacing stem cells because scientists are starting to realize the problem isn't just genes: it's the adaptation of genes to our environment. However, stem cells also make sense because genes themselves can evolve during the course of illness, which Dr. Cheney addresses: "There is also the problem of genotype corruption which can only be addressed by stem cells."
I know my flora is in better balance and sig A higher (from 13 -> 47) from my last GI function profile by metametrix. However, I think the gut is the hardest organ to fix and it's not even close. Coupled with the fact that 70% of immunity is gut-related, and serotonin production is largely gut-regulated, we have a major problem. Most of the top CFS researchers in the world emphasize the gut ecology (cheney and merleir esp.) as a top 2 or top 3 impediment to wellness.
That is why I think rectal ozone is probably one of the best things we can do for the gut. It just about kills everything, maybe besides large parasites. Replacement with probiotics is critical after insuffulation though.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
I dont know how this happened, Joey, but my fecal sig A went from rock bottom on the CSA test to 74 on the GI function test... still a long way to go.
I am using VSL and mastic gum. I went at least a week without probiotics and supps before the test.
My good flora is 4.1 and 6.4 as compared to 0 and 1 on the CSA.. not sure how those compare. The CSA was over a year ago.
My anerobic bacteria are sky high which is supposed to be a clue that opportunistic bacteria are significant.
Now did lyme cause this or did the abx cause this? I think I had candida before I was ever treated for lyme. Gut issues.
I wish the ozone did not kill the beneficial flora. I am close to sold on it, though.
The body can produce its own stem cells.. I wonder how that can play into this. So genes can evlove during the course of illness. Thats good to know.
This is amazing:
One doctor told him, ``Well, your body adapted to the reality of a failing heart in order to survive and now that your heart is fixed, it will take a year or two for your body to re-adapt back to the reality of your new heart.''
Then:
In other words, all chronic illness always has two problems to solve: the problem at the core of the illness and the adaptation the body makes to survive. The first can sometimes be fixed very quickly (hours to weeks) but the latter takes time. There is no ``hours to weeks fix'' to the second problem of adaptation because it becomes programmed into one's gene expression, also known as phenotype.
Since his surgery and adaptive cure from heart failure, Dr. Cheney has found that certain low molecular weight peptides called Cell Signaling Factors (CSF's) have the ability to more quickly shift gene expression towards normal as measured by echocardiography. CSF's can often improve function within 90 days, though tests results show progress well before the patient actually experiences it. For instance, measurements of cardiac diastolic function typically improve months before patients report feeling better and doing more. There is also the problem of genotype corruption which can only be addressed by stem cells.
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
You know the acclaimation: you are already healed.. (thinking of above)
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I am reading The Genie in Your Genes. Much more scientific than Braden or Lipton.
pg 47:
Stem cells:
When you cut your hand and your body needs to repair the break in the skin, the trauma sends a signal to the genes associated with wound healing. These genes express, stimulating stem cells to turn themselves into healthy, fully functioning skin cells. THe signal results in the putty being formed into a useful shape. Such processes are occuring in our bodies all the time: "Healing via gene expression is documented in stem cells in teh brain (including the cerebral cortex, hippocampus, and hypothalamus, muscle, skin,,,,
When there is an interference with this signal, which in the would healing studies comes from the emotional states of angry subjects, the stem cells dont get the message clearly (my thought just popped up.. the LEDs speed wound healing) Not enough putty is turned into useful shapes, or the process of molding the putty takes a long time, because the body's energy is instead being sucked away to build threat-response biochemicals triggered by the angry emotion. Wound healing is compromised.
Notice that these signals do not come from the DNA.... they come from outside the cell. The signals tell the proteins surrounding the DNA strands to unwrap and allow healing to begin.
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Not sure if this has a thing to do with stem cells repairing DNA.. but maybe apply to the CFS action??
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks, Tracy, for the info on sunlight & remedies. Why isn't this the case with the infrared light?
I've tried some of this infrared & homeopathic remedy treatment in my own format. It's quite interesting but I don't know how effective all of this really is. It may be some kind of placebo - which isn't a bad thing if it works. The mind is very powerful. I just can't say for sure why or how it works or doesn't work.
I really don't know why I had such an extreme effect with the infrared light. I tried all of this over a year ago. It's hard to tell what my exact problems were or still are. I do know I killed massive amounts of flukes with wormwood, cloves, & black walnut hulls. The infrared light did not help me.
It's really a simple but effective way to get them out by using the black walnut combo. I've read the the flukes are pretty easy to get rid of that way. I think the caps are better than the tincture.
Since I didn't have money to spend on natropaths & expensive tests, etc. - I did it all myself. My advice for anyone new looking at all of this is start with the simple basic stuff first. You can get very far with simple, inexpensive remedies & avoid lots of headaches later.
If you are still ill after doing some basic cleanses - look to the more complex solutions. You really have to do the cleansing properly & stick with it, though.
I recently read an article that says that people who take vitamins do not live longer than people who don't. Some vitamins can be harmful to take to much such as vit E & beta-carotene.
I know folks are ill out there. I can empathize. The answer may not be to spend hoards of money thinking that eventually something will work. I think that the body responds to basic stuff like good, pure food, air & water, exercise, rest, & detoxification.
I am not against alternative remedies but extreme thinking either for drugs or alternative medicine may not be the solution. Our culture is very materialistic so we may think having all of these complicated choices is beneficial. I'm not so sure that's the answer.
I may be a "devil's advocate" here but I'm just sharing what worked for me.
Please check out this article about a war criminal who became an energetic healer...
We really need to be careful who we trust to be our healers & doctors!
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Man, I had another bad heart episode last night - I thought I was going to faint but didn't. I've known for a couple of weeks that one was coming. Fortunately, I was back from my `sunset walk' with my dog when it happened. The Lachesis 30C worked again! This time it took a little longer - about 3-4 minutes (forgot to time it). So, the Lachesis has worked both when the tachycardia, etc. had been going on for over an hour, and when it had only been going on for maybe 8 minutes. That makes it less likely that it was just `coincidence', or that I just happened to take the remedy at the time the problem was going to resolve itself on its own.
R62, the Bb homochord sounds great, but what do you use preventatively for all the OTHER junk that ticks can carry?
Good to hear how well the EFT seems to work for you!
Selma, that's interesting about the `negative thinking' approach with the tapping. But how do you tap MFT1 and MFT2 at the same time? Just do one side of the head and one eye area, I guess?
Well, I won't do that because of what you said..... thanks for the warning about it.
Regarding parasites, I wish I knew whether they were a big problem for me or not. I'm sure I have some - everybody does - but I just don't know (yet) where or how bad. I'd sure like to know that before I attempted a liver/ gall bladder cleanse, that's for sure. I may have to ask the CEDSA lady to specifically test for that a couple weeks after I've been on her protocol, though it's possible that parasites simply won't show up yet. (She does quick check-ups every 2-4 weeks for free to see how things are going. She can use saliva sent through the mail or in person.)
I'm not sure how well homeopathics do with parasites, either. Though there are lots of references to worms and other parasites in prescribing texts, I rarely see this discussed on the homeopathic boards, and maybe that's the problem. Unless they know it's a problem, they don't treat it. And how would they know unless there was `evidence' in the stool or something? We all know that getting tested for parasites in the Western world is nearly a lost cause.
Homeopathics sure worked for me when I picked up some bug about a year ago - whatever it was, it acted like Giardia. It took awhile - and I had to repeat the treatment - but it did go. But that's just one instance, and it was something `acute' that hadn't been around awhile. Acutes are always easier to treat than chronic stuff.
Ozone and even ozinated oils spook me a little bit. I respect you guys who are using these treatments. I'm not sure I have the guts to try either of them.
Some of the stem cell discussion should go on the Epigenetics thread! Seems interconnected, to me.
Sparkle, I'm not sure. But it's possible that the infrared light DOES degrade the nosodes/remedies. This was a topic that came up early on in the Bionic 880 discussions. Then my computer went down and I was out of touch for several months. I don't think the question was ever answered, though. I don't see it discussed at all now.
Homeopaths who are working with Agro-homeopathy use remedies on crops ONLY in the evening hours because of the sunlight problem. All labs that make remedies for professional use put their remedies in amber bottles.
I assume you are using clear vials or bottles for your experiments? Maybe when you experiment with the sun, you could just use a very tiny amount of remedy or nosode, then discard it when finished? Start with fresh remedy every time?
Maybe the extreme effect you had with the inf. light was because your parasites were thriving on it? It makes some sense based on what others here have said.
Sparkle, I'm with you on doing simple, inexpensive things to clean up our bodies. It can only be helpful to anything else we do in the way of treatment. But as you learned with the liver/ gb cleanse, it gets tricky if you do more aggressive things and do them in the wrong order. (Thank goodness there are people like Hulda Clarke who've made this easier for us.)
Posted by Forgiveness (Member # 20417) on :
If anyone needs nosodes, Dr Marc said to put his name and number here, he has no fear of the FDA since he is in Mexico. He can get the kit and the live Borrelia nosode as well. His number is 011 52 664 686 2981 this is how you dial from the states. His email is [email protected] you will deal directly with him. His Cell is 011 52 1 664 307 6049
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Thanks, Troy. This info could come in handy.
Posted by n.northernlights (Member # 17934) on :
There is much about homeopathy here in this thread, i wonder about the homeopathic thuja for viruses, how does one use it? Any thoughts on the new xmrv virus and this kind of therapy? (infrared plus homeopathic nosodes) Saliva would contain it, that would be the answer?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Just pulling the thread up for those interested. Since May, my daughter and I remain free of lyme, free of lyme treatment.
I still use the PE1 for some things, but mostly on the Nogier frequencies.
I still take a few Sanum when they test.
Selma
Posted by Forgiveness (Member # 20417) on :
I have both the Bionic and the PE1, there is no comparison in power, I have to do much shorter treatments on the PE1, it goes deeper as it has a 940 frequency as well. It also has 880 like the Bionic, 875 which are infrared LEDs (invisible). It also has 655 and 680 with are red/far LEDs(visible). 9 herz is very close to what Dr W uses and believe me it works, it also has 4.5 and 18 in the lower ranges. You can only use this machine at a fraction of the time that you use the Bionic, it has larger LEDs 5mm the Bionic has 3mm. The lights are positioned in such a way that they work synergistically together. In other words they enhance the power of one another. The Bionic was the innovator, it is a good machine, but using both I find no need for it, in fact I am now selling mine. For more info and discussion on these two machines visit our group:
I do my treatments on the pulsed mode with the PE1 at 9hz and 18hz. It's very effective and since I have both machines, I find it much more powerful than the Bionic, larger LEDs 5mm the Bionic has 3mm older technology. It not only runs on 880 (this is the Bionic's only wavelength), the PE also has 940 for deeper penetration, 880 as mentioned, and 875nm all near infrared LEDs, there are two others in the red/far LED visible range of 655 and 680 nm. I have no use for my Bionic any longer, as by directly using both, there is no comparison in power. Troy
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Very interesting, Troy. What exactly are you treating at this point? Are you using nosodes with all of your light treatments?
It would certainly be good news if the much cheaper PE-1 could be used in place of the Bionic 880! Do you know if Dr. W. is aware of the PE-1 or has any interest in experimenting with it?
Thanks for the great news, Selma! Do you think your new `environment' is better or worse for you, healthwise?
Hope everyone had a great summer!
Bob, did you go to the Raymon Grace seminar in August?
Sparkle, how's the detox going?
Robin/R62, where are you at with treatment protocols?
Alv, would love to hear an update from you.
Carry, I've been following some of your other posts here at LN
Bejoy, the whole trauma issue is probably at the forefront of illness for many of us. Not just major trauma but all the little stressors of life that affect some of us more than others. I just finished reading the book ``The Potbelly Syndrome: How Common Germs Cause Obesity, Diabetes, and Heart Disease''. I'll never look at multiple infections quite the same again!
This book has shed new light and revealed many dangerous misconceptions about cardiovascular problems, insulin resistance, osteoporosis, weight loss, specific diets, MS, arthritis, and a host of other ailments. Though the title is misleading, the premise of the book does go back to the `terrain' problem. Similar to a pain-inflammation / pain-inflammation loop, there is a cortisol-infection loop that `feeds' chronic infections and invites new ones. I think any seasoned Lymie would appreciate the information in this book, though the index could use some expansion. (I don't remember where I first heard about it but I know Keebler has recommended this book a number of times in her posts.)
Gee, I never did post my protocol based on the CEDSA (Computerized Electro Dermal Stress Analysis) testing, did I. Well, everybody seemed to need to take some time off this thread, including me. I'll get around to it eventually. It has helped my elimination issues immensely, and for the first time ever I can tolerate taking some chlorella. So, I've had improvements in some critical areas.
Hopefully, folks will check in once the nice weather has finally faded.
I think we need a ``PE1 and Bionic, Part Two'' thread.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Pulling it up again for the ones asking me the points I treated. I'll try to see if I find them here again.
My daughter and I are still in remission from this treatment, so no need to add anything for the moment in this thread. Entering then month 9 without any lyme treatment whatsoever.
For me, since I caught lyme, this is my longest remission. I'm still crossing fingers though. I'll see if I find the points to use the PE1 and pull that up too...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
This is from my notes, in the beginning of May, these are the points I used photons every time I used nosodes (not for cleansing, but for killing), just one second each, in direct mode (not pulsed):
L+R wrist (inner part) R+L ear 3rd eye (in between eyes) L+R MFT4 (upper neck, behind each ear) Top head (MFT1) R+L thyroide Thymus (collar bone area) Navel Tailbone L+R MFT8 (under the arm, height of nipples) L+R knee (behind them) R+L palms (middle of them) L+R soles (middle part) L+R under the ear (upper neck, sides) L+R kidneys (back, upper part) energy point (under the knee to the outside) liver (right side, on ribcage) above both ears inner elbow side hips (exactly where legs and hip connects) shoulders (front, in acupuncture, the 'lung' points) Omoplata (sp?) (back of shoulders) Belly (side of navel, both sides) Inner part of ankles (if you stand up, about 7 fingers from floor) cheek (MFT 5) upper column (middle) top of shoulders (lymph node area) all around knees
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Bumping for Susan
Posted by dan67 (Member # 20344) on :
Any updates from PE-1 users on effectiveness and results? I'm thinking of getting one. Is this the right place? http://www.photonicenergetics.com/
I hope its worth $1600.... I'd love to hear current thoughts on this since most of the posts in this thread are a year or more old.
Thanks.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I used the Bionic and I'm still free of infections.
Posted by dan67 (Member # 20344) on :
Six, is there any way for me to get nosodes without going to Germany? In general, what's the best source for nosodes?
Also, what are peoples' experience using auto nosodes with either urine or blood (or some other way?) How do I do that and how much to dilute? Thanks...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Bumping for Mo, Scorpio and whoever is interested.
It's been more than 2 years I stopped treating, so I'm sure I must be forgetting things today...
If you are patient to read this long thread, congrats!!!
Posted by scorpiogirl (Member # 31907) on :
Oh yeah another novel for me to digest!! LOL...
Seriously this is very helpful. I'm excited to learn more about it!
Thanks Brussels! You are wonderful for coming back and helping us! God Bless you!
Posted by dan67 (Member # 20344) on :
I tried photoning with a bottle of Bactrim on my chest instead of nosodes. Not homeopathic Bactrim, just regular Bactrim antibiotic, and it actually did something. Amazing. Who knows why...... ?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Dan, I guess either infrared itself did something? How long did you photoon?
Or it could be the effect of pure substances (not nosodes) that dr. W. uses. I don't understand the principle, sorry.
I am GUESSING it is like auto-urine therapy, or taking own blood. It's an 'old' therapy, widely used (I heard about it since I was a small child, used for people with autoimune disorders like lupus).
Somehow the undiluted stuff (blood, urine) sends some messages to the body and the body corrects itself (similarly to nosodes and homeopathy).
I never tried but I may try (through photons) to heal some allergies, who knows? I just didn't take my time to do that yet!
Just keep us posted. Do you feel herxes and symptom improvement?
-------------- Scorpio!
In Japanese, they say Ganbatte kudasai! It means, try your best!!!
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Maybe you're detoxing the Bactrim? That would be my guess.
Then the Bactrim coming out could cause a herx.
Just a theory ...
Posted by dan67 (Member # 20344) on :
Actually 1 day later I can say photoning the bactrim DID give me a herx and improvement! it wasn't detoxing bactrim... I have only taken one dose years ago.
My theory is when you hold nosodes close to the chest, they "highlight" or "expose" the bacteria and the photons kill or disrupt them and I suspect something similar happens when one holds an antibiotic near chest. When I hold either nosodes OR antibiotics near chest I can "feel" my infection spots get active and achey even WITHOUT photons. So maybe nosodes and antibiotics do roughly the same thing in a different way? once the spots get achy the body is aware of them and they stand out and then the photons go to that place? Just a theory but remember I don't think ANY of our theories are solid fact, this whole area is pretty unknown and its possible even Dr. W's theories aren't what's actually happening.
I do have a question though for six and brussels since I have both of you (the photon experts) right here in this thread....
I've always reacted very quickly to any treatment, ie have a herx within a few hours, improvement very quickly afterwards, and need another treatment immediately afterwards. I'm not one of those people who can use the same treatment for months. It stops working for me in a matter of days or a week max.
So my question is.... is it OK to photon every day? I know I could have a massive herx that spirals out of control but trust me that doesn't happen. I have the herx, improve, then back to normal symptom cycle happen litterally every 24-48 hours. If I can photon every day, that would help a lot. Thoughts? Again remember - herxing isn't an issue for me, all of my herxes so far with about 20 photon treatments have been mild to moderate, and gone in 24 hrs. Thanks.
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
I am seriously considering purchasing a PE-1. I have done everything in the book of healing over the last 4 years with little to no improvement. I think the PE-1 is a move I have to make at this point.
BUT, I just recently found out that I have a very small amalgam filling. This came as a HUGE surprise and actual shock to me, as I had ALWAYS paid out of pocket for composite fillings. I wonder if this is actually a filling from childhood that I do not remember getting...???
In any case. Is it ok to use the PE-1 with a small amalgam filling?... I eat tons of chlorella everyday and do other stuff to detox... I have treated everything under the sun.
Also, I believe my true problem is not even lyme, but biotoxin, mold illness.. Is PE-1 helping people with that problem as well?
I am worried about wasting money that I really don't hae to spend, but at the same time... what have
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Dan, that's interesting.
The act of taping the item to the chest and the act of photoning are two entirely separate things. Taping the item to the chest alerts the body of it. Photoning gives the body the strength to go after it. So it's not surprise you feel it even without the photons.
Unexpectedills .... we talked elsewhere, hopefully Brussels will answer your questions.
Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :
thanks for pulling this up, brussels. i have my light unit but am studying allot here.
could folks please keep most of the IMPORTANT info about use here, on this thread, for everyone interested?
at least on how-to stuff.
that way, the info is accessable to more people here, rather than spead amongst so many threads.
mo
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Dan, very interesting experiences, what you wrote.
I will tell you something: that we don't need to ingest homeopathy, nor photoon it. Just hold the vials (if on glass is better) and they will work, in case your cells can communicate the message.
I use Bach flowers ONLY this way, without ingesting, and it works better, deeply, and faster than ingesting for weeks. I used it with many people and I see kids and animals react VERY WELL and fast,like with homeopathics.
There are other VERY mysterious ways to treat, but that equally work very well, but this would go TOTALLY in the quantum world, and it will be hard to share here in public, as people are even skepticals of ingested homeopathy or even herbs!!! But you can send me a PM and we can talk.
I do think that for you, you got to tune the way you feel works better. I am usually very sensitive and then I need LESS than others. But your sensitivity sounds different than mine?
What I guess for you is that you need rotation of things. Or possibly treat some sort of psychological problems? Would you know a bit of EFT or know someone who can test you energetically to rule out this issue?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Unexpectedills!
Glad you 're going on!
My opinion: the place for mercury is not in our body. Just one amalgam replacement costs not a lot: get it out anyway, with or without photon treatment! It just takes minutes and it can save you sooo much more.
Just the chlorella you need daily to keep the mercury vapors out of your body will pay for your replacement in less than a month!!
OK? Next: Mold, yes yes yes. Combined with Sanum and other nosodes, plus LONG TERM chelation or KPU or AI, that was the best treatment I found, so far.
I'm still treating candida/yeast /mold on and off. Photons are EXTREMELY efficient with that in comparison with anything I ever tried before, but you need nosodes, very similar to borrelia treatment.
As for the money issue, so sorry you STILL have to struggle with that on top. I would first take off my amalgam because it causes havoc, short, middle, long term.
If you have little budget, buy the Sota Lightworks after your amalgam removal. It is like a toy, some people say, but for what I remember, it still works!!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Hey Mo, you are right, but I wonder, now that the threads started, where to stop them??
Which machine do you have? Can you post the website or a photo or the technical info? I'm curious!!!
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
So, is the PE-1 out for me? I have a mouth full of amalgams. There is no way I can or would have them removed right now. Are you saying the PE-1 will not work if you have any mercury in your body?
Posted by dan67 (Member # 20344) on :
I am now completely convinced that 3 days ago photoning a bottle of bactrim held at my chest was massively effective, possibly among the top 10% of effective treatments I have ever tried. I would love to hear if people have had a similar experience. I will say that I am highly allergic to Bactrim and have had major eye problems with one of the ingredients in bactrim - trimethoprim - in the past when taken orally. However I will also say that the dose or two I took of Bactrim in the past (orally) was VERY helpful, so maybe that's why this works? Maybe it is like all the benefit of Bactrim without the side effects.
In any case, I am also allergic to the quinolones and I plan to try this again with a quinolone antibiotic, maybe I'll get benefit without the tendon reactions.
This is mind-blowing. How would anyone believe that this works? I would never believe it if I didn't experience this first hand. I still hardly believe it!
This seems to open up a whole new world beyond just photoning nosodes. I think nosodes AND perhaps antibiotics do as Six suggested - alert the body to the presence of something. Then maybe Six is right, the photons give the body the energy to go after the thing. But while nosodes have definitely helped me when photoned, photoning the bactrim was much much more effective for me at least so far. This is like being in a fiction world! Fascinating.
Posted by dan67 (Member # 20344) on :
By the way Brussels I have held Bactrim to my chest as an energy test many times and have never had the experience I describe above, so I think photoning it was key, not just holding it, but the quantum world sounds fascinating and I am sure this is in that world!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I found a very interesting article of a dr. who uses infrared and red laser to transmit the message of homeopathic and radionic remedies (as those found in Asyra).
He also uses acupuncture points to flash the infrared, but he uses another machine he calls Quantaray.
does anyone know this doctor?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Hey Dan, you are in the same position as I was when I first used it on my daughter, with a knee that was so swollen...
She sat on the hard floor of the kitchen on her knees 5 DAYS after 1st photon session!!!!??? She not only sat on her knees, she THREW herself on the floor to show me how her knees were not painful anymore!!!
She could not even SIT on her bed without pain, nor on the sofa. The wheel chair caused her pain, the toilet was each time a traumatic experience of screams...
5 days, and the knee pain was totally gone. And the swelling. I couldn't believe my eyes.
If you had told me, I wouldn't believe either. I only believe and keep posting more than 2 years after our experience because this was amazing!!!
I will give you a hint: get the Bactrim, and succuss about 300 times, against your palms or hard surface. You have to use glass, preferably on a clear vial.
You can either add a LOT of water to it, or do it WITHOUT the water. Or do both in two vials /bottles. Then photoon again (or just keep them on your solar plexus).
The effect of it should be even stronger. Do more dilutions, and more succussions, and you'll get a stronger effect (theoretically).
Just a note: when you use infrared flashed through your meridians, as you were doing, it's a bit like you are FEEDING your meridians with energy that is proper to them.
You can see that acupuncture meridians shine infrared in Pubmed articles.
So, your meridians that were depleted due to disease are finally well 'fed', and doing what they should do: flowing, transmitting information. Popp says that one of the functions of these Chinese TCM meridians is to trasport light and with it, information. At least, that is what I understood he said in his website.
So, suppose you stop taking infrared today and use something on your body TOMORROW or even in a few days, on the solar plexus or whatever 'energy' opening from your body (accupuncture points are such places, chakras other places).
Don't ignore all the infrared you took in the days, weeks before. They are still boosting your meridians. So with or without flashing light NOW, it's not a BIG difference. You will be getting the info in a stronger way than if you weren't using infrared at all.
There is a lady that posted here called Bejoy. Her 2 daughters had lyme disease, like herself. She swore, many times here and in private emails, that everytime she treated herself with the PE1 using nosodes, HER WHOLE family was herxing after, even if they were not present in the house during her treatments but at school.
She became a sort of shining nosode wlaking entity!!! Wherever she went, even outside her home, people with lyme disease could react to her previous treatment!!
So when she treated anyone from her family, she had her binders ready for ALL. She knew that eventually, everyone would be treated.
She noticed that on and on.
That is another reason we don't usually flash the nosodes with more than a person in the room. If you do, we are treating everybody in that room.
But even after leaving the dr's office, I'm SURE dr.W would agree with this thought, we can be treating other people too.
I'm glad you come to the club of nuts. I do feel I'm nuts compared to what most people believe. There is MUCH more in life and in our bodies that we don't know.
Just stay open and even more AMAZING things can be proven right. Not to scientists, but to your own experiences. Many more new stuff is to come!!
Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :
i don't mean to stop the other threads, brussels, i mean with individuals, we never know what direction things may take. lots of great information will be had from all threads..
but i wonder if here we can just keep up with some of the mechanics, some of the general questions. if possible.
i have a general question:
could someone do a re-cap of the ten points to be lit, and for how long on each point?
i've read for days, and a refresher post would be fantastic.
second question re: photoning with substances/herbs/medicines.
can sussessing give any substance a frequency?
like, could you photon cephalosporins (rochephin) if sucessed?
could you photon a live, cold pressed plant remedy? does that have frequency in and of itself, or also, necessary to success this?
mo
Posted by dan67 (Member # 20344) on :
My gut feeling is that photoning the bactrim did not transmit the energy of the bactrim to the body, but instead, holding the bactrim to my chest "alerted" the body to the bacteria that the bactrim would kill if swallowed, and the photons gave the body the energy to kill. The bactrim just did the alerting. In this way it acted not so differently than a nosode.... just my guess.
Brussells, Thanks for all the great info! I don't doubt anything you say, as after my crazy experiences, I do believe anything is possible. I mean, photoning that bactrim was so incredibly powerful, it touched symptoms that no other treatment has ever touched. I made the mistake today of taking another herbal supplement and I could tell it was a waste of time and disturbed the "energy" from the photons. Could it really be that all we need are photons and nothing else? That would be amazing! (of course I don't mean for every health problem - we still need chelators, nutrients, detox -- I just mean, maybe photons are all we need for infections.)
Nevertheless I still have a few very highly rated herbals like Bar-1 that I still want to try in the coming weeks.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
It could be that photons are all you need for certain pathogens. Not ALL pathogens react to photons, so don't be overexcited!
Borrelia does, no doubt. Babesia, I have my doubts. Bartonella will be killed, almost for sure, with photons and the nosodes. Not much worry on bart either, I would say. Specially after borrelia is gone.
Another point I FORGOT to say to you, Dan: if you use the 9 EFT /MFT points with photons, A LOT can be happening in your body.
I believe I saved my husband from anaphylatic shock basically with EFT /MFT and homeopathic dilutions of both his saliva and the allergen. It was fast.
All dr. K's practioners know that we can cancel an allergy using the EFT /MFT points. If not permanently, at least temporarily. I've seen that so many times that I know it works. I use this technique very often with my daughter too.
Suppose that when you put Bactrim, that you were allergic with, on your solar plexus after having photooned your EFT points some time before.
You could have been treated for your Bactrim allergy!!!!
In energy medicine, whatever you use on your 'triger points' or meridians, will send only an energetic message to your body. Whatever your body does with this message, is INDIVIDUAL. It's your body that interprets the symbol (in this case, the Bactrim on your solar plexus).
It depends on what your body wants to do with that information. That is how homeopathy works. And I believe, Bach flowers, and auto urine or autohemo therapy. Or even EFT or MFT. Even acupuncture is somehow related to that all.
Have you read about neural therapy? Practioners inject something homeopathic on trigger points and you react like hell? Well, I guess infrared do the same, perhaps even stronger.
I hope you all get hold on how INTELLIGENT our bodies are and forgive our bodies for getting so sick. If we are sick, is that because our bodies are OVERWHELMED with things it cannot cope anymore.
Give back some peace to it, not flushing it with chemicals, give back its real nourishment, nature, deep breaths in pure air, exercises, sunlight, good food, good medicine, good water,
good sleep, not burdening it with too many EMRs, your body WILL do what it has to do but it couldn't. No chemical medicine can do this for you!! Not even hundreds of chemicals you ingest combined will do the full job for you.
that is where I say that energy medicine is much more intelligent as it uses your own body's energy to heal and talk intelligently to your body.
A chemical drug is like an angry mother sending you a command: do this, and only this and shut up!
The energy treatment is more like: I just talk about this topic that I find important for you (in this case Bactrim, or borrelia): what would you like to do with it?
Once you learn energy testing, you will see HOW much your body knows and how much your brain is limited. Sometimes you are convinced you want something, but your body says 'nope'. I follow my body now and ignore my brain!!!
Some people are fortunate to have great feelings and openess and they practically don't need any energy testing. They go by instincts, feeling. And they get most of the time, right things for their health condition. Many children are like that.
I guess that learning to read your body is something that is the most important thing to do. Don't poison it, respect it, and it will tell you a lot on what to do, to take. Put your brain apart when you do that.
Once you decide with your instinct, then use your brain. But not during the choice.
When I was on my sickest days, I had a big intuition. I relaxed all my muscles and said, just do what you want! I left them all relaxed, and then I started walking around and my hands went to cardamon. With cardamon I got rid of babesia once.
Now I just found an article that cardamon is antiparasitic!!! I still take cardamon to this day.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Mo, I gotta go to my piano lesson! I'll answer you later!
Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :
wonderful info, selma.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Mo, go to lumenenergetics, she has a chart showing many points you can use (more than dr. W). If you have the Bionic, follow dr. W's point though.
PHotooning with substances, plants. No idea, you got to try and see? My Bach flowers never tested with photons for myself, but who knows?
Succusing can give frequency? I guess the frequency comes from the water content, if I understand it well. The less diluted homeopathic dilutions need MUCH MORE succussing in my own experiences, than higher dilutions.
So I would succuss my D1 rechtsregulat about 200 times and feel it is better than the original bottle of undiluted Rechts. But for dilutions bigger than D30, surely, only 100 succussions are enough.
In my opinion, succussion works with water.
As for frequencies, EVERYTHING has a frequency, that is how the biofeedback machines work, how energy tests works. Whether your body can read the frequency and do somethign with it, I don't know. It seems yes, but in what way does this stuff work, I am new in the subject.
I even never photooned undiluted blood in my life. I may do it, just to test and see myself, but I think you got to read about autourine autohemo therapy to get an idea of the subject. My guess.
Some people took HOMEOPATHIC antibiotics here with good results. You got to know the dilution your body needs.
Dan is the first that I know to use the frequency of Bactrim undiluted. But he is using infrared in other days, so don't expect something to happen if you never used infrared or some otehr forms of energy boosting technique.
I use many kinds of homeopathic penycilins and have no doubt about their efficacy. It is even MUCH SUPERIOR to the undiluted penicilins as they cause no harm to the gut and they kill still BETTER than the mere chemical.
Dr. K is a great fan of Sanum killers, and he's got decades of experience with these killers. Many are merely different types of penicilins.
As for plants, try if it tests good?
Buhner has a beautiful book about plant communication. Very inspiring. I do think we can get more than chemicals from plants, but I don't know how healing they will mean in the mere physical world. I mean, would they help you killing pathogens only with their presence /frequency? I don't know...
I know that plants can heal us in other levels, very high levels (purely spiritual) but we don't need machines for that!!!
We use our primeval basic instincts only and they work if you are open to these incredible and superior beings: plants.
If you have doubts, try Bach flowers first to grasp what is this plant language that Buhner is talking.
Once you dilute anything made from a plant, it becomes homeopathic, and then, you got to go back to Hahneman, I suppose, for guidance!!
Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :
thank you, selma!!
Posted by dan67 (Member # 20344) on :
Great info, Selma, you amaze me.
Posted by aMomWithHope (Member # 19255) on :
Does PE1 eliminate the anxiety caused by obsessive thoughts (caused by the tick borne infections)?
Does it help eliminate muscle aches?
How would you use the PE1 to eliminate these issues, i.e., with nosodes, without nosodoes, Nogier frequency, etc.?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Momwhope,
Anxiety: caused by infections, I guess yes. But if caused by herxes, you got to use the right treatment for it.
The nosode treatment will increase herxes, so it can cause more anxiety. For lowering anxiety, I used 2 treatments: anti microbials and cleansers, a variety of them. Diminishing inflammation is also a must, in my opinion (allergy free food and allergy free environment), and also addressing local inflammation, specially brain.
As antimicrobial, the PE1 with nosodes will work for some pathogens.
As cleanser, you need another protocol but it also can work with the PE1.
------------ Muscle aches: yes, depending on the origin of the trouble. I use it for muscle aches after too much exercise and I feel it helps.
It also helped me with cramps. But if muscle aches come from other reasons, you got to see what causes it and deal with the cause... ----------
Nogier frequencies can work wonderful with some symptoms, like the muscle aches above. Or back aches. Or sciatica.
The use of nosodes happen only when you need to kill a pathogen causing the symptom.
Posted by aMomWithHope (Member # 19255) on :
What would you suggest for reducing the inflammation in the brain?
I've been wondering if the increased anxiety is due to herxing vs. the infections. DD did just recently start an herbal protocol that seems to be working, yet her anxiety has gotten worse. Hence my thoughts that it may in fact be due to herxing. Either way, dd is very uncomfortable when these thoughts "attack" and I'd love to find a way to eliminate them.
(The recent full moon and mid-period cycle has only added to the increase.)
Have been using some Pekana and flower essences, but they don't seem to be working.
Have also just added a clay-type mineral/detox product--hopefully this is aiding the detox not adding to accumulation?
The muscles aches are due to the infections as well, using Pekana but so far no help (but has only been a week or so on the new protocol).
Thanks!
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
quote:Originally posted by aMomWithHope: Does PE1 eliminate the anxiety caused by obsessive thoughts (caused by the tick borne infections)?
Does it help eliminate muscle aches?
Once the infections were gone, the symptoms from the infections were gone.
Posted by DolphinLady (Member # 6275) on :
aMomWithHope, I love your name! I pm'ed you. You can also contact me at [email protected]. I look forward to hearing from you, DL
[ 10-21-2011, 08:56 PM: Message edited by: DolphinLady ]
Posted by anuta (Member # 22646) on :
Another up for anyone who is interested. Good reading!!!!
Posted by hopeful4 (Member # 8486) on :
Thanks for bringing this up again.
Does anyone have new updates to share?
Posted by canadianmama (Member # 36298) on :
Thanks Anuta I had never read this thread before!
My son just had his 12th birthday this weekend and is in his 5 month of treating with photons.
While there have ben some ups and downs in the last few months in February he was bed ridden and now he was playing with his friend all day on his birthday, walked two kilometres to a lake and swam!
Really photons have been such a gift of health for us.
He still has a ways to go and we are continuing to find ways to get him to 100% health.
Reading this thread has been really helpful. Thank you.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Bringing this to the top so it's easier to find for a person who has been looking for this information.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Bumping this up too, for someone asking for information.
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
I have used the PE1 successfully for treating wounds on my horses. It has been proven to stimulate circulation to promote healing.
When I used it for lyme it had a calming effect when place over acupuncture points, but it did not help kill the organisms, or help with mental clarity or even my headaches.
I used to use it literally for hours. It just didn't work for Lyme.
In the beginning I purchased the nosodes, which were expensive and completely worthless.