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Posted by mammakitten (Member # 18913) on :
 
Could someone tell me if the loss of mental-self talk is a symptom of lyme disease.

Over a year ago I had bad reactions to adrenal supplements DHEA and Hydrocortisone & since then have lost emotional feeling and my personality.

You know that subconscious voice inside your head that chatters away at you...mine is gone & I'm just blank.

My thoughts aren't being verbalized in my head - I have no random thoughts, in order to think of something I really have to concentrate.

Thanks for any input.
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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Q: " . . .if the loss of mental-self talk is a symptom of lyme disease."


Yes, it certainly can be.


Well, I wouldn't want chatter but I can see that it's nice to have thoughts.

My guess is that your brain is just too tired. Thoughts, emotion and personality pizazz all take energy. Your body is fighting an infection and trying to heal. First things first.

IF you listen to music, do you feel the emotion? If you watch a moving movie, do you feel in some way for the characters?

My guess is that emotion is still there but your body just has to hold out in exerting the energy.

AND - some of this closing down can be expression of grief - and some shock. This is a shocking condition to find one's self in - day after day. We are in a different reality than most people and that can take a toll.

All that you describe above and over at your other thread is just part of the deal with lyme. While alarming, it just goes with the territory and will likely reside with good treatment.


See some of the medical literature in the menu to the left - and articles at the LDA site (link below menu).

www.ilads.org also has some articles.


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I see that you have just started posting here and I see you have posted in "Seeking a Doctor" and have gotten one reply.

Hope that is a good lead.

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You can download a page of lyme symptoms at http://www.lymediseaseassociation.org/

(half-way down the page, in the left column menu)


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Here are some books that may help explain symptoms and offer solutions:

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This book, by an ILADS member LLMD, holds great information about treatments options and support measures:


http://tinyurl.com/6lq3pb (through Amazon)


THE LYME DISEASE SOLUTION (2008)

- by Kenneth B. Singleton , MD; James A. Duke. Ph.D. (Foreword)

You can read more about it here and see customer reviews.

Web site: www.lymedoctor.com


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http://tinyurl.com/5vnsjg


Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme Borreliosis And Its Coinfections - by Stephen Harrod Buhner

web site options: www.gaianstudies.org/lyme-updates.htm


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http://tinyurl.com/5drx94


Lyme Disease and Modern Chinese Medicine - by Dr. QingCai Zhang, MD & Yale Zhang

web site: try www.sinomedresearch.org and use "clinic" and then "clinic" for the passwords or call Hepapro through www.hepapro.com


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http://tinyurl.com/5crsjv


Cure Unknown: Inside the Lyme Epidemic (2008) - by Pamela Weintraub

This details what an entire family went through. Having this knowledge of their journey will help others to get better, faster treatment.

http://www.cureunknown.com

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This explains a lot:

www.thehumansideoflyme.net

The Human Side of Lyme


- An Inhumane Disease of the Brain

Deliberations of a psychiatrist . . . sharing case histories of those who . . .

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As you get settled on a treatment path, ----

There's a thread about magnesium at http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/77095?

I don't know what supplements you are on right now, but magnesium has some wonderful benefits. You might check you level - you can take to bowel tolerance and back down a bit then.

Best of luck to you. This can get better. While it may be a bit of a journey, you can get your life back.

Take care, now.

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[ 02-04-2009, 05:45 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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Is there any chance you are over the age of 35? If so, some of the links below may help. If not, you might pass this along.

I was thinking about this today as I am learning about hormone replacement therapy. I've neglected it for a long time.

Two weeks ago, on Oprah's program there was a woman who said much of what you said about lack of emotional stuff. Within one week of being on bio-identical hormones, she was much better.


True, lyme is not on her plate but if pre-menopause or menopause might be a player, dealing with that might help.

You can watch some of the clips from that show:

http://www.oprah.com/article/health/womenshealth/20090115_bioidenticals

Hormone Replacement Therapy and You


Resources on Hormone Replacement Therapy

. Synthetic Hormones

. Bioidentical Hormones

. Compounding Pharmacies

. Find a Doctor

. What to Ask Your Doctor

. Reading Resources

. Share Your Story

http://www.oprah.com/article/health/womenshealth/20090129_hrt_webcast

Watch the Hormone Replacement Therapy Webcast with Dr. Christiane Northrup

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Christiane Northrup, MD has some books out about this and

Robin MacGraw's Book: What's Age Got to Do With It (55) also rings a chime from the patient-experience perspective.

And Tori Hudson, ND is an author/naturopathic physician who explores natural ways to work with these issues.

You can find these books at Amazon where you can read customer reviews.


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Posted by robin_wachs (Member # 3525) on :
 
The thoughts that come to mind are that I can remember when I was worse physically with less energy, ie couchbound that I didn't have many thoughts. I was just too tired so I agree with an earlier poster that your brain is just exhausted. I also agree with the most recent poster that this sounds like hormone imbalance as well. I had a hysterectomy after Lyme (supposedly due to inflammation causing problems) and my hormones have been hell to balance out since then, though one does not need a hysterectomy or Lyme, but rather perimenopause or menapause can create a horrible imbalance. the information surrounding the Oprah show IS very good information.

Robin
 
Posted by pigwit (Member # 9059) on :
 
I have experienced my thinking going blank at times during treatment, especially when I needed to detox. It was more frequent that I was emotionally cut off and others seemed to notice it more than I did.

I'm wondering if you taking a steriod has something to do with it. Steriods suspress the immune system and allows the borrellia to develop faster which increases symptoms in the long run.

For me, the thoughts and emotions shutting off was a sign I needed lots of rest. That is hard to do if you work or have children.

I think of Lyme disease as a soup of borrelia, co-infections, parasites, etc. It is common to have problems with hormones (including adrelin). In a way, it seems like your body is shutting some things down to give you a rest.

Note: I am not a doctor, but am sharing some things I picked up while trying to heal. I recommend you see an LLMD.
 


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