My son went to a new clinic last week. He had an appointment with an NP and will see the doctor in 2 weeks.
The NP told us to buy the book "The Paleo Diet" by Loren Cordain. I've heard this diet also called the caveman diet.
Does anyone follow this diet? If so, do you feel better?
Thanks!
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
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Does this diet suggests eating raw meat?
There is one popular diet (from caveman times) that does. If so, that can be very dangerous and it raises the risk of serious infection sky high.
I have just spend a good while searching this diet and get mixed links about whether it's raw meat or not.
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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
pab... What else besides raw meat is involved? ( I wouldn't go there myself. )
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
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It appears that the Paleo Diet is not the raw meat diet I had associated it with, if the Wiki site is correct.
The Wiki site actually looks excellent. It's all I can read now but, actually, my curiosity is piqued. They make some good points.
I can't read the main web site because the background is so white and the way it's all squished together, my eyes just swirl. I found the the Wiki link below much easier to read, although spacing is still very tight.
Unlike raw food diets, all foods may be cooked, without restrictions.[1][54] Cooking is widely accepted to have been practiced by around 250,000 years ago, in the early Middle Paleolithic.[55]
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Amazon has this book, The Paleo Diet, and a few other similar books. There are 71 customer reviews for the main book.
I have followed this diet in the past before I was sick. No raw meat has to be involved. I'll just say that within days of following it, my energy levels shot up and I found that I could do much more in a day and not feel so tired. (I also lost about 60 pounds in 6 months)
really...I should get back to it!
Posted by emla999/Lyme (Member # 12606) on :
Speaking of the raw food diet. I personally don't eat a strict raw food diet but I did come across some info a few years back that got me to thinking that maybe I should add a little more raw food into my diet.
When food is cooked, sterilized or pasteurized a toxic substance called Advanced Glycation End products (AGEs)is formed. AGE's are consider to be a contributor to the development of health problems.
Since raw uncooked foods contain essentially no AGE's I would have to think that eating a raw food diet would lessen your dietary intake of AGE's.
Note: Cooked foods are not the only source of AGE's. But eating cooked foods does increase your intake of AGE's. Fried foods especially.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
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And shifting a bit, if someone has a stressed liver it might be hard to digest a lot of raw food (as the liver is instrumental in stomach function).
However, JUICING, some vegetables can be wonderful, especially if adding back in the pulp for fiber.
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Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
Keebler you don't think that the liver may benefit from raw foods ? It is typically the antibiotics that are hammering the liver, isn't it ?
Posted by pab (Member # 904) on :
NO raw meat in the Paleo diet.
Basics:
1) All the lean meats (not-grain fed), fish, seafood you can eat.
2) All the fruits & vegetables you can eat.
3) No cereals
4) No legumes
5) No dairy products
6) No processed food.
There is a lot more to it. I've just starting reading the book. It's probably close to the anti-yeast diet.
Posted by pab (Member # 904) on :
This is Amazon's review:
According to author Loren Cordain, modern health and diet problems didn't start with the advent of packaged snack food, but much earlier--back at the dawn of the agricultural age many thousands of years ago. As humans became less nomadic and more dependent on high-carbohydrate diets, we left behind the diet we had evolved with, which is based on low-fat proteins and plenty of fruits and vegetables. Sugars, fats, and carbs were rare, if they were present at all, and survival required a steady, if low-key, level of activity.
Cordain's book The Paleo Diet blends medical research with a healthy sprinkle of individual anecdotes, practical tips, and recipes designed to make his suggestions into a sustainable lifestyle, rather than a simple month-long diet; he even includes cooking recommendations and nationwide sources for wild game.
Claims of improving diseases from diabetes to acne to polycystic ovary disease may be a little overstated, but in general the advice seems sound. Can any of us really go wrong by adding lots more vegetables and fruits to our daily regimen? One recommendation on safe tanning with a gradual reduction in sunscreen is surprising and not much detail is provided for safety issues that can accompany increased sun exposure. Still, Cordain's assertions have helped many people, and could provide exactly the changes you've been looking for to improve your health. --Jill Lightner
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by pab: [QB] NO raw meat in the Paleo diet.
Basics:
1) All the lean meats (not-grain fed), fish, seafood you can eat.
2) All the fruits & vegetables you can eat.
3) No cereals
4) No legumes
5) No dairy products
6) No processed food.
There is a lot more to it. I've just starting reading the book. It's probably close to the anti-yeast diet.
I eat that way .. except I do eat grain fed meats.
It's a great way to eat. I also do food combining, which is really great too. You're almost there with the paleo diet.
What about breads? I don't eat that either.
Posted by pab (Member # 904) on :
No breads
Posted by Erica741 (Member # 15186) on :
A nutritionist recently recommended this diet to me, but in really simple terms:
Eat ONLY foods that were available to a caveman.
There will obviously have to be minor variations (eg. poultry in lieu of a wooly mammoth) but the essential concept is to eat only the basic foods found in nature: meats, nuts, fruits, vegetables...anything else?
Though I don't follow it, I know I should. The diet makes sense given that we are genetically exactly the same as first humans millions of years ago. We evolved to survive best on a diet that existed those millions of years ago.
It would be really hard to cut out legumes and all dairy though.
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
TuTu...how do you survive???
Good grief!!
Lauren
Posted by eric555 (Member # 18343) on :
But a bread that is yeast free, sugar and preservative free bread is it ok ???
Posted by MirandaVB (Member # 16581) on :
It really isn't that hard to survive and thrive on the paleo diet. People think it's really expensive, but I know everytime I have come off of it (typically to save money) I end up spending more money because I am hungrier more often.
It's all about being creative too. I also find that I eat a larger variety of foods when Im on it.
Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :
similar or same as "hunter gatherer's diet".
supposed to be superb for optimal immune system health, and i believe it.
"eat what your ancestors ate, foods available within fifty miles of their home"
industrialization of food is said to be where we started loosing our natural sources of nutrition as it were; based on genetics and evolution.
www.paleodiet.com has tons and tons of info that i read years ago and firmly believe.
cheers, mo
Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :
of course, for me, that means i should be eating lots of cabbage, lamb, and drinking guiness.
Posted by lymeHerx001 (Member # 6215) on :
I have to eat this diet. No one knows why.
Recentlly I ate some english muffins and toast.
I am very sick today because of it. They were delicious though.
I have been eating this way for 6 years. No telling how long this will last.
Its depressing if I think about it.
Posted by lymeHerx001 (Member # 6215) on :
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Posted by richedie (Member # 14689) on :
I can't eat that way! I eat mostly grains, fruits and veggies, with some meat here and there. I tried that and got sick. I never understood the reasoning behind that diet since hunmans were around WAY before caveman times so our system already developed eating differently. Cavemen didn't live very long. No thanks! Posted by lymeHerx001 (Member # 6215) on :
richedie you are lucky as hell.
You allready say that you are improving in your sig/ good for you!
Perhaps you have treated early. I dont know why I got this bad where I cant eat grains or fruits.
I get very very ill.
Posted by minimonkey (Member # 8693) on :
I do Atkins, which is similar -- limited fruit, and includes cheese. I feel infinitely better on low carb than off it, and it helps a lot in keeping yeast at bay, and fighting the weight that lyme tends to cause -- also very anti-inflammatory on the whole.
Posted by emla999/Lyme (Member # 12606) on :
The paleo/hunter-gather diet and its connection to the Garden of Eden.
Interesting!
Posted by lymeHerx001 (Member # 6215) on :
have to eat this way
Posted by omgwtfbbq (Member # 15446) on :
With a paleo diet you eliminate almost all non-meat allergens. I'm sure it'd help quite a few people. I can get processed food very cheap so the candida diet is going to cost a lot more expensive for me. Posted by lymeHerx001 (Member # 6215) on :
not really, you just eat less.
Eggs are very very cheap! So is chicken.
Good quality veggies are expensive but then again you can get the reduced stuff.
I just dont eat alot.
Even canned soup bothers me because of the noodles and all the starch. I cant have starches in potatoes or anything like that. They make me sick.
Like I said before I eat almost 30 eggs a week.
Posted by lymeHerx001 (Member # 6215) on :
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Posted by Denver (Member # 22526) on :
Hello, my name is Denver and i am the father of a 3 year old girl with lyme. We are undergoing treatment with antibiotics, and while researching diet on this site, I found that some of you are looking into the paleo diet.
I have been aware of the paleo diet and the protein power diet (which is almost atkins..) since starting Crossfit 5 years ago, and I can attest to the paleo diet's effectiveness in strength gains and general health. I swear, it is almost like a miracle drug that fixes everything from heart problems to skin rashes.
Trying to get a 3 year old to give up her pasgetti and pb&j is not easy, but with the heavy dose of antibiotics she is on, our whole family is being more strict about the grains and sugars we eat so she is not singled out.
Almost everything on his site is focused on health in general, but he strongly advocates the paleo diet for athletes and anyone who wants to be more healthy. I highly recommend taking a look at his site, you might learn something, like I did,from you guys.
Thanks for having such an awesome resource available.
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