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Posted by richedie (Member # 14689) on :

I saw my doctor yesterday and I showed her my mottled hand and luckily while in her office she got to see my hands turn dark red and then with blue patches! She said, wow...I see that a lot with Bartonella and sometimes Lyme. I started bart treatment in two weeks after my current course. Ugh.

Posted by Tincup (Member # 5829) on :

Rainbow man!

[Big Grin]

Posted by richedie (Member # 14689) on :

So, anyone else have this? The spot were gone the next day....but the arm pain goes on and on.

Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :

Do your hands looks like the post on Melanie Reber post?

Check is up with today`s date on it .

She has her pictures..there.My case in bart and lyme but I am still dealing with BABS/protozoa bug.

Posted by FuzzySlippers (Member # 13658) on :

richedie,

Yep, I've got it. It's called Raynaud's Phenomenon or Raynaud's Disease. Doc says he sees it alot with Lyme and Bart. Many feel it's caused by Lyme/Bart entirely. Of course, you'll find little mention of that in the mainstream literature. *rolling eyes*

When the hands get cold it can become painful actually.

LLMD's have told me that Bart, in particular, causes lots of vascular issues.

Here are some photos, there are lots of images on the web.

http://www.riversideonline.com/source/images/image_popup/ans7_raynaudsdisease.jpg
http://www.sclero.org/medical/symptoms/photos/raynauds/alexandra/blue-fingers-500w.jpg
http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/wwii/VascularSurgery/figure53.jpg

Fuzzy

Posted by Piegirl (Member # 14786) on :

I have this too. It was one of my first symptoms that I got with joint pain. The palms of my hands are almost always red. Then they turn blue when cold.

When this happens I have to put them under warm water to get it to go away. Of course then they turn bright red! I also suspect that I have Bart.

Mary

Posted by richedie (Member # 14689) on :

Warm water does not help me because they do not feel cold.

Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :

Raynaud's syndrome...secondary.

Now this is weird (!):

http://kmbase.medric.or.kr/Fulltext/08696/2002-19-3/309-314.pdf

An anti-depressant drug?! to treat Raynaud's?

PROZAC?

Whoa. Keep serotonin levels higher, longer?

Okay...my sis (with lyme) is on the highest doses allowed and this MAY have helped prevent neuro lyme for HER, but...

it did not stop the joint destruction which still continues.

I often wondered if her lack of neuro symptoms was due to the particular STRAIN of Bb she got.

Prozac is:

Fluoxetine hydrochloride

hydrochloride? A chloride link?

See this link (what it is also used for):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoxetine

"Many pharmaceutical substances are prepared as hydrochlorides so that they may be quickly released in the gastrointestinal tract; the body usually absorbs a hydrochloride within 15 - 30 minutes."

Here is a really odd link:

http://biopsychiatry.com/serotonin-7deadlysins.htm

But one word caught my attention: platelets.

Oh my goodness!!!!

Get this:

"Platelet-Derived Serotonin Mediates Liver Regeneration"

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/312/5770/104

We KNOW Bb uses/needs tryptophan (can't grow in culture dishes without it)...is this yet another critical nutrient that is preventing our liver from...regenerating following "insult"?