dr. frieden on tv says there are 200 kids now in new york who possibly have swine flu with mild symptoms.
oh great....
so what would a lymie do if they got lyme?
the last time i had a flu shot i thought i was going to die...i mean i was sick as a dog for days...not going there again.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
we'll be dead ducks
and don't get any immunizations trying to protect yourself!!!
Posted by disturbedme (Member # 12346) on :
I don't even like to think about it...
but I'd probably die because my immune system is extremely sick itself... my entire body is so sick... I think it's tired of fighting this... so anything else.... yeah, it'd be over. Posted by charlie (Member # 25) on :
...The worst case of 'flu' I ever had was in the late 1970s from a swine flu shot. Some people were partially paralyzed from those shots also.
If you get the flu you'll get over it like most viruses...I wouldn't worry about it. We live 5 minutes off of US 59 a few hours from the border. Trucks and buses and cars go by here 24/7 from the interior of Mexico.
I'm not going to make myself miserable worrying about a virus....I'd worry way more about people trying to immunize themselves and doing more harm than good.
Charlie
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
we have confirmed cases, according to fox, in california, texas, new york, and now kansas.
cdc says "we have young adults being infected and that is raising alarm bells". also they have said that it is being passed from human to human which is "very unusual".
oh great....
and another 24 confirmed cases in mexico...
right, they'll all run from this and where are they going to run to? right across the border into the u.s. that's where....arrghhh
i got a feeling this could get nasty.
they're saying tamiflu is the only cure but also that it may NOT work if you're too sick.
think i'll stay home...
Posted by Tincup (Member # 5829) on :
Hey tutu..
Could you be a little more specific?
Just come out and SAY what you mean?
BTW- I am determined nothing else is going to "get" me.
I've waited too long for my obituary to say LYME disease.
I'd hate to be disappointed at this point.
Posted by Tincup (Member # 5829) on :
Oh.. and not to worry...
I hear the CDC is in charge.
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
well at least if something happens, i get to see my mom again (hopefully)...
Posted by disturbedme (Member # 12346) on :
So far they say that the few cases of people who got it in the U.S. have recovered from it so that sounds like a good thing. Hopefully....
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Lymetoo is unfortunately right. It looks deadly.
Remember the "Asian Flu" in the early 70s?
My mom had the Asian Flu...EXACTLY ONE MONTH to "run its course".
Boy, was she sick!!!
The vaccine caused a lot of serious problems...
With a little "luck" maybe it will mutate to a less serious form fast.
Haven't any of you seen "Andromeda Strain" (the original movie with Dustin Hoffman)?
Posted by lymemomtooo (Member # 5396) on :
I am into my 6th week of getting over a flu this year..Not sure I am ready for another one. Tamiflu did nothing to help and neither did the flu shot..
Still have lingering affects from the double pneumonia. Guess I better get a mask now..lmt
Posted by Leelee (Member # 19112) on :
This is scaring me to no end. Really, really scaring me.
What should we do? How do we protect ourselves?
Posted by adamm (Member # 11910) on :
Wait, Marnie--is this because our overabundance of Th1 cells makes us more susceptible to cytokine storm?
Posted by kissis (Member # 4165) on :
I thought most Lymies dont get sick, It's almost 10 years since I even had a cold.
Posted by adamm (Member # 11910) on :
Yeah--but when you get something like swine flu, the immunity that protects you from colds becomes extremely dangerous.
Marnie--do you think any of us could survive if we got Tamiflu? Crap--this thing, at present, looks to have a fatality rate comparable to that of the 1918 flu.
Posted by Amy C (Member # 19297) on :
Ok my question is how did this get from pigs to humans? I heard this was a pig disease. Not sure if that's true?
But I am smelling some lab altered viruses here!!
Posted by feelfit (Member # 12770) on :
Well, I hope I know when it comes around to get me so I can have a nice glass of wine, unlimited french silk ice cream, and a BIG bowl of pasta alfredo........
feelfit
Posted by duke77 (Member # 5051) on :
Lyme or no Lyme, healthy people are in jeopardy with this one. They are claiming a pandaemic by the time it is through.
Posted by Kerryblue (Member # 4077) on :
Hi, I agree with some of others. Having Lyme makes us immune to other diseases. 1 Good feature if you look at many of us do no get many colds or flu. Even though we rather have something that goes away. Look on bright side of this Lyme if there is this 1. Hugggss, to all in Need, Kerry
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
re: cytokine storm
Actually - it's the healthy people who succumb. People who are already ill, their bodies fight less so they may not be as bad off as people who are well.
In a pandemic - many of the young & healthy people are the worst hit.
Posted by Buster (Member # 19472) on :
The media has really blown this thing out of proportion right now. I have read only 16 are dead and there was no dateline given for them. Then another news station will tell something completely different.
Wait for more info to come out before you go into shock. Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tincup: [QB] Hey tutu..
Could you be a little more specific?
Just come out and SAY what you mean?
That's just what I think every time there's a big "scare" like this. I figure if it happens to me, it happens to me. Nothing I can do about it.
God will take care of me, but if it's time to go, it's time to go!
Glad I gave you a chuckle! Posted by adamm (Member # 11910) on :
Sparkle--but isn't our immunity against respiratory viruses as "healthy" as it could be due to the Th1 excess?
Posted by dguy (Member # 8979) on :
With my immune system already chronically on high alert due to lyme, infectious agents like a flu are going to have a tough time gaining a foothold.
Marnie - Dustin Hoffman was not in Andromeda Strain, but I'll recheck the polycron gaskets anyhow. :-)
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
huh, i had the recent strain of some bug back in february and it lasted over 3 weeks. i was gurgling and rattling in my lungs so bad i had to sleep in another room cause it kept hubs up.
geez, was i sick....
i get something every single bloody year.
ah well, this world is getting crazier every day.
but i think this thing even has those idiots at cdc worried.
Posted by adamm (Member # 11910) on :
I figure that we've just been lied to about the severity of the illness in the US.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I don't know adamm. I'm not a scientist - so my understanding is just in layman's terms. It's just something I read about cytokine storm...
I don't have a TV connected to cable. I just watch DVDs. I have no idea how the media is reacting to this.
Flu can be bad. I read on CNN that it was the young, strong people who were dying - not the old & infirmed. Best to be prepared for the worst but it's also good to not get too stressed out about it.
I'm glad I don't live near NYC anymore. Seems like big urban areas would be a nightmare.
Remember - wash you hands & don't touch you face alot. This is a big way to prevent illness.
Posted by aiden424 (Member # 7633) on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by charlie: [QB] ...The worst case of 'flu' I ever had was in the late 1970s from a swine flu shot. Some people were partially paralyzed from those shots also.
Hey I remember that. I had the shot too. Didn't get sick but I remember hearing about all the people that did.
I catch everything, so this should be fun. Posted by Tracy9 (Member # 7521) on :
I'd get your affairs in order. Just in case. And stock up on all the awesome concoctions outlined in these threads.
Like I said before, perhaps being bedridden has it advantages; no exposure.
Posted by adamm (Member # 11910) on :
This is disturbing. According to what I've read, elevated levels of this, TNF-Alpha, are what cause the most damage in bird flu cases...
Posted by Ocean (Member # 3496) on :
Yeah, I'm not crazy about this thing either. Right now I am wishing I was homeschooling my son. About an hour north of where we live, a 9 year old boy has swine flu (I had read it was in OH and googled it and found out it was relatively close).
I hope it's not as serious as they are forecasting. I guess we'll just live in a bubble for awhile!
Take care, Ocean
Posted by Niere (Member # 14387) on :
I came across this link at another site--I'm vaguely recalling some discussion regarding lyme and vitamin D, but for the time being I'm considering going out and stocking up.
check out their LYME BROCHURE ...small print so i couldn't read, but looked interesting.
Posted by lymeparfait (Member # 14268) on :
Heard it is not the typical "swine flu". But something like swine flu. A mutated variety.
I don't trust the media or the CDC to give us the facts, just the hype. Or just what the administration has decided we should know. We need non-political , non- media induced truthful info and help.
We should shut down the borders until this is under control. But that is political suicide for the administration...so no border control?
We are fortunately enlightened by dealing with lyme and co. And this administration has been showing in the last 100 days that it does not have our best interests in mind, especially for the chronically ill, it's all political.
I was hoping for so much more. Will someone please tell the emperor he has no clothes! Enlighten him a little please!
Posted by adamm (Member # 11910) on :
Anyone heard about this? Murders of microbiologists:
This disease was created in a lab - period. It is a mutant form of bird flu, swine flu and a very virulent human strain all conveniently mixed into one.
For those of you that aren't aware please google the New World Order and the Illuminati. Also google chemtrails. There's a group of people out there that want the worlds population reduced by 90% and they will stop at nothing to achieve there goal.
The sad thing about it is that these people have the means to do it. They are the wealthiest people in the world - the Rockefellers, the Rothchilds, etc. They own our banks, all of the pharmacuetical companies, the oil companies, the cars we drive, the foods we eat. They own most of the major universities, and the media including all of the internet service providers, etc.
They believe that the earth is vastly overpopulated and they also believe in "survival of the fittest". If you can survive the onslaught of chemtrails poisoning the skies, vaccines, fluoride in the water, poisons in your food, all of the manmade diseases (lyme being one of them) and finally a massive biological attack then you deserve to live and procreate in their eyes. If you don't survive - well - then you were "weak" to begin with and you didn't deserve to live anyways. They call us "useless eaters" and they're "culling" the population. If you don't believe me look this stuff up for yourself...
Lauren
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
Yes Adam - I read it last night. These people have been planning a worldwide biological attack for years - killing off the worlds best and brightest microbioligists is all part of it. How can their agenda be successful if some brainy biologist finds a cure for the next pandemic 6 weeks after it begins?? Another thing to google is Fema coffins - and the fact that our government started buying up cemetary plots by the millions several years ago "just in case of a biological attack". Just in case huh?
I know I'm sounding like a nutbag here - I didn't believe any of this stuff at first either. But I've spent the last 6 weeks researching and reading and researching some more and everything I'm telling you is the truth.
I've come to the conclusion that Lyme is the least of our problems and only a small part of a sick and twisted puzzle...
Lauren
Posted by blinkie (Member # 14470) on :
Wow Lauren...that's pretty bold.
First of all, there is a different belief for every person on the planet, so of course you are going to find some kook that believes this crap. Just like there are people that believe in aliens and UFO's and have "proof", there are also those that do not.
Why would they want to reduce the population by 90%? IF they own all the banks and big pharms, etc, they are going to need "people" to use those resources if they are going to make any money.
And, why would they poison the planet just to poison themselves. They are not immune to these illnesses.
In any case, I for one, have not had a cold in two years but before that, I caught everything. I think my immune system is in such overdrive that I can't get a cold if I wanted to. I also have illnesses that should be lifelong, clear up on their own. Strange...but true.
I do worry about my infant son as we are getting on a plane in a few months. I may get him vaccinated but will wait as long as I can to see how this thing plays out.
The CDC has already made a huge mistake by not telling people not to travel to Mexico. It's too late to avoid a pandemic. They have already screwed up big time, but that's no surprise, the CDC is a waste of an organization.
Then again, I don't see how anyone in their right mind needs the CDC to tell them not to travel to Mexico. People there are dying from an airborne virus spread as easily as the common cold. It is not rocket science. Don't travel to Mexico people!
Luckily, so far, no deaths in the US have been reported but I would not be surprised if they find some that happened before they knew what it was.
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
oh, obama says not to worry that our government has a stockpile of meds.
he said not to panic.
uh huh....
Posted by disturbedme (Member # 12346) on :
LOL. Too late, I'm already a bit panicked here.... Posted by charlie (Member # 25) on :
....I live a very few hours from Mexico, every pathogen there goes right by my house. Nobody is sick around here that I know of, and the health officials are saying if you get the 'swine' flu just treat it like a common virus and it'll resolve after a bit.
This is just an out-of-season flu bug and the health crisis du jour.
Charlie
Posted by feelfit (Member # 12770) on :
Here is something to consider, I read in yesterdays paper: Fort Myers News Press
"The outbreak coincided with President Barak Obama's trip to Mexico City on April 16. Obama was received at the anthropology museum in Mexico City by Felipe Solis, adistinguished archaeologist WHO DIED A WEEK LATER from symptoms of the flu, Reforma Newspaper reported."
Ok mutated flu= Pig, Bird, Human, engineered? Purposely arising at Obama's visit or coincidence??????
Feelfit
Posted by John S (Member # 19756) on :
I went to Mexico City once and after my experience I can't be so sure they just weren't eating one of the burritos I had!
Posted by charlie (Member # 25) on :
John S said: I went to Mexico City once and after my experience I can't be so sure they just weren't eating one of the burritos I had!
.....John I doubt the burritos would hurt you too bad but you might avoid the sashimi tripitas.
Me, I'm hooked on barbacoa de cabeza. Yum. (not kidding)
Charlie
Posted by Starfall1969 (Member # 17353) on :
I know I'm just freaking unnecessaarily from hearing all this swine flu crap,
but my son came home from church nursery (AGAIN) acting funny yesterday.
He slept for 3 hours yesterday afternoon and woke up again with a 102 temperature.
I'm sure it's just thie upper respiratory crap that everyone else seems to have right now, but I can't help wondering sometimes....
As for the people who want to kill off certain sectors of the population, yeah, we studied that in my ethics class--eugenics.
Read the book "War Against the Weak" by Edwin Black. Very disturbing, if you ask me.
I don't know how much I buy into the Illuminati story (at least what I saw porttrayed on the SciFi Channel or wherever it was), but who knows.
Posted by bettyg (Member # 6147) on :
wow, many more opinions, conspiracies, etc. since i was on here in wee am hours. i don't know what to believe myself.
Posted by Dawnee (Member # 15089) on :
Starfall..I'm thinking temperature isn't part of the swine flu symptom list. Mostly respiratory issues.
This is a brand new strain of swine flu. It is Human,Bird and Swine combined. Completely new strain. And that does not happen "on accident".
I absolutely agree with LymieLauren.
Craps gonna hit the fan relatively soon. If not with Swine flu, with something else. People really need to start doing their research and preparing.
Also, I read yesterday that the CDC is saying that this swine flu will be worse for those with systemic bacteriological infections. Gee.. wonder who they are referring to.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Seems pretty obvious to me that there's a plan going on here as far as control of the planet...
There are many cross references to depopulation at this time.
Funny, I was just looking into the microbiologists who died under suspicious circumstances.
Truth is - the hoards of masses are not needed anymore. We can be replaced by robots or androids. Seems that the plan is to round everyone up & make everyone live in domes in large urban areas so they can be controlled & monitored.
The wild will go back to being natural habitats for the enjoyment of the wealthy elite.
Is it sci-fi? Maybe or maybe not... Will it happen in our lifetimes? I don't know...
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Still don't think there's a conspiracy? Take a look here...
While I certainly agree that the swine flu should be taken seriously, I do not believe it is related to any type of conspiracy or attempt to purposely reduce the world's population!
Next thing you know we'll be hearing that everyone has tiny microchips embedded in their brains....some people seem to have spent way too much time watching the Sci-Fi channel.
Posted by disturbedme (Member # 12346) on :
I really don't know what to think, but you people are freaking me out HUGELY.... thanks a LOT. Posted by charlie (Member # 25) on :
Disturbedme said:
I really don't know what to think, but you people are freaking me out HUGELY.... thanks a LOT.
I hope I'm not freaking you out...i'm trying to be the voice of reason here....just remember the bird flu and salmonella in almost everything palatable and how salt will kill you then it saves you.
That's just the tip of the overhype iceberg...and oh of course your car makes the weather change so there won't be any of those.
I really need to form a cynic's club so we can counter all the types who have access to the airwaves and make catastrophes out of nothing. In fact maybe we can tax them and call it a catastro fee.
see you back on the rational side.
Charlie
Posted by Amy C (Member # 19297) on :
I think everyone is different and has their own thoughts and beliefs.
I am a big conspiracy theory type person myself. But that doesn't mean then everyone agrees with me. And that is ok.
I think we are all entitled to our opinions and should be able to share them with others. Then people can make their own mind up on what they choose to believe.
Noone should be put down or made fun of because of their thoughts or beliefs!
Posted by feelfit (Member # 12770) on :
Actually, Ugagal, microchipping the population has been discussed. It is not science fiction.
Posted by Silverwolf (Member # 9196) on :
<<<<< LymieLauren, Dawnee, Sparkle >>>>>, Sending hugs your way!!!
I agree with you on this Illuminatist mess,and if I am tho't a conspiracy theorist that's alright!!!
Many folk already feel we who suffer from Lyme and Co. are conspiracy theorists, and paranoid etc.
I do not speak of some subject matter very often, there will always be scoffers. Look how many scoff at we Chronic Lyme sufferers!
At any rate,I hope this swine flu doesn't spread further, and will try to stay as well as I can, beyond what is already happening to me.
For those who don't believe in a group that is trying to control and dominate the world,that's okay !!!
I will keep an open mind about the subject!
Just the Silverwolf
Posted by charlie (Member # 25) on :
....I am actually openly conspiring to take over the entire Southwestern US and turn it into Charlieland...
Posted by charlie (Member # 25) on :
By the way folks....I live just off the main corridor from Mexico as stated earlier...and the flu is NOT happening here...so that's why I'm acting like I am. Posted by Amy C (Member # 19297) on :
How is that an excuse to be rude??
Posted by charlie (Member # 25) on :
...cynical isn't rude, nor is sarcastic. nor is disagreeing using humor tho some can't take jokes period.
If we ever meet i'll buy the margaritas...
Charlie Posted by Silverwolf (Member # 9196) on :
Hey there <<<<< Charlie >>>>>>,
I am glad that there isn't any swine flu close to you dude! I do hope it stays away.
Course then, who knows,maybe the methane pollution from cows could kill some of these odd flus???
To bad that it cannot kill the dang ticks and mosquitoes!!!
I do believe there are lots of varied beliefs here on LymeNet... but I tend to learn a lot by reading things from folks who may believe differently than I do !!!
That said, I still have to side w/ LymieLauren !!! I d wish I had a good strawberry Margerita right now tho'. Can't cause of the darn Lyme and Co.
Jus Silverwolfy jabberin along!
Posted by Amy C (Member # 19297) on :
That's your opinion.
My opinion is that some of your comments are rude. Some are making fun of what people are saying.
Lauren and others are being serious with their thoughts and you are making jokes about that.
I just think that is wrong. Enough said. Enjoy your drinks.
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
charlie, we have now confirmed a case in richardson which is a suburb of dallas and they said they have one very likely case in fort worth, where i am.
they closed the school in richardson and fort worth for the rest of the week.
they also said there is another confirmed case in san antonio, a teenager.
well some may not take this seriously but i think anyone who has an autoimmune disorder or lyme (like we do), needs to be extra vigilent.
Posted by charlie (Member # 25) on :
...sure you can have a margarita wolfie it's an antibiotic after all; It's salt plus vit C in the form of lime juice and orange liqueur, plus tequila to act as a vasodialator to get the active ingredients flowing.
I know it works because I drank a couple of pitchers of the stuff at a party and I herxed the whole next day...
Charlie
Posted by charlie (Member # 25) on :
Lauren knows me and knows my snarky sense of humor...and I'm with you on a lot of the conspiracy stuff like the absurd man made climate change hype. But with this flu thing I'm right on the front lines...
Charlie Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
where the heck are you anyway? i'm in keller actually which is just north of fort worth off I-35.
Posted by Silverwolf (Member # 9196) on :
Hey <<<<< Randibear >>>>>,
Sorry to hear the darn swine flu is hitting near you...please be careful hon'!!!
Charlie,darn I wish I could have a Margarita, the lime sounds fantastic...alas I can't do it tho...darn it.And you stay safe too!!!
If I had any tonic water right now I'd have some tonic and lime juice...
Wolfie jabberin again!!!
Posted by disturbedme (Member # 12346) on :
I know Charlie too, and I just love him!!!! And he's not being rude at all. At least not meaningfully.
Charlie you were not the one freaking me out to begin with. You were the one actually making me feel better about all this going on... I would love to live in Charlieland... as long as you keep the swine flu out of it. Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
hi hon, i don't drink at all since hmmm, i think it was lymetoo or somebody, told me that alcohol was converted to pure sugar and feeds the lyme.
i sure wish i could have one. mike drinks wine every single night, but i'm such a coward, i won't touch a drop of anything.
Posted by charlie (Member # 25) on :
Randi...we're near Rosenberg which is southwest of Houston right on US 59...which is why I claim front line status...In a few hours I can be sitting in Arturo's in Nuevo Progreso sipping a margarita and eating cabrito.
My kids live one in Keller and one in Flower Mound tho...
Charlie
Posted by Silverwolf (Member # 9196) on :
<<<<< RAndibear Dear Sistah Friend >>>>>,
I've set a PM or too... I don't drink either because of this darn Lyme Disease.
<<<<< Charlie >>>>> I do hope your area stays Swine Flu free!!! Even if I can't take ya up on the MArgi' drink!!!
Slivered Silverwolfy
Posted by bettyg (Member # 6147) on :
greta, i'm so sorry to read this; i went to NIH's medical library and found this:
if you need things, have a neighbor/friend/family member go do things for you. STAY HOME; keep son at home too. wear MASKS also in home or anywhere.
greta, my best to you, your son, and family. [group hug] [kiss]
Posted by luvs2ride (Member # 8090) on :
I posted "Lozenges and Spray may keep flu away" It is bonifide research conducted by nih and my post sunk like a rock to page two.
Go read it and see what tests reveal works.
Glutathione. Get some from your doctor. It does a whole lot more than just fight the flu.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Sorry, luvs - I didn't have time to chase down a link without knowing a little more.... but I know you post about good stuff.
Lymielauren, you don't sound like a nutbag to me at all.... as you pointed out, a little research will start unveiling some evil truths in the world.... there are just too many COINCIDENCES for my comfort level.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Oh, forgot to say....
Getting a mild case of this flu NOW might be our saving grace.... the virus could mutate to a really ugly bug before it's all over. And having a mild case early on could confer some immunity against a more deadly form....
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
what about if we had that terrrible flu back in er, january or february. i was sick for 3 weeks.
Posted by disturbedme (Member # 12346) on :
I have a doctor appointment tomorrow and I am thinking of canceling it because I really don't know if it's a good idea to be going to a doctor office right now....
Posted by Silverwolf (Member # 9196) on :
Hi <<<<< Lyme-r family >>>>>,
The News here last night was rather worrisome, Four suspected cases in Idaho.
One is in Ada county [Boise area ], two are in Madison county,and a the fourth is up in Fremont county.All had recently been to Mexico.
We have to do banking,and take packed boxes to new place, but I am not going out anymore than absolutely necessary now!!!
Fremont and Madison are too close for comfort,and we have friends up there!!!
I am sticking to my vitamin and supplement regimen, and so on [Cats Claw, Garlic too etc.].
The worry is TxC road- warrior-ing, when he gets a bug,I generally get them as well.
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