I was researching Sanum products after reading about them here and saw an article by an Australian doctor who uses them in a nebulizer.
I am very intrigued by this concept and was wondering if anyone here has tried this or knows anything else about it?
My daughter has crashed again and I am trying to decide on what we might do next to treat her.
She currently has no insurance, so we are paying for everything out of pocket. She has developed new pain and of course the ultrasound and labs were normal--which is better than surgery that we thought she might need.
The pain is left flank. She had shingles about 2 months ago. She had a break out on her upper right back. I am wondering if this is shingles related, but with no break out.
She had shingles about 2 years ago and she had the same pain that she is experiencing now. She eventually had a tiny blister and that was the only way we knew it was shingles.
Anyway, I am thinking that isopathic and/or homeopathic medicine might be the way to go now and nebulizing it sounds like it would be the most effective.
Any advice would be most appreciated. My dauther is in her 20's, so no age concerns.
Posted by bettyg (Member # 6147) on :
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Posted by Dawn in VA (Member # 9693) on :
bumping up
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
How old is your daughter?
I use Sanum, but mostly ingested or rubbed.
Why not trying ingesting first to see if she gets any results?
My daughter is now 5, but she has taken Sanum since she was 2-3 (when she caught lyme). Rubbed or ingested or both.
I wonder which remedy are you thinking for Herpes zoster (shingles are caused by H. zoster, right?).
Do you think any of the foundation remedies will do that (I don't know any isopathic to Herpes zoster in the Sanum products...).
Or do you think things like Not, Fort, Quent, Grif will do the job to kill the herpes?
Or are you just interested in the immune boosters of Sanum (Utilin?).
I don't have all Sanum in my head, but I can't remember any for herpes z..., that's why I'm asking...
Selma
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
You could try LOMATIUM.
I have no idea if it would work at all.
It's anti-viral, antiherpetic, anti-pandemic-flu.
It's an herb in the parsley family, sold as extract on the Internet, that i used to completely cure my herpes simplex lip sores. It wiped them out, permanently.
I'd be really curious to know if it has any effect on herpes zoster. Let us know if you try it!
--- Polly Polygonum
Posted by Sparrow (Member # 11734) on :
Thanks so much for bumping this. I tried a dose of 20 drops of lomatium and she said it burned. She did not seem to respond to it. Nausea is one of her biggist problems, so I didn't try another dose. Tincture was all I could find at the time.
I know that Sanum does not have a specific remedy for H. Zoster, but Deseret does. She did do a round of Deseret bart series last summer and responded better to it than alot of other things we tried.
I was interested in the Quent and the Not. I also was interested in the Leptu--I made a note that it was anti everything--and in the remedies for gastro problems. The article said that nebulizing worked almost as good as IV--so I want the biggest return I can get. I have not tried rubbing any homeopathic remedies, just oral dosing. The nausea sometimes makes that difficult.
Homeopathy is all knew to me and I am still trying to learn everything I can about it. My daughter is in her 20's and has been sick for more than half of her life now. Antibiotics do help, but have not been successful enough to make any long term changes.
Because her immune system is shot, the H. Zoster seems to be a problem now. I did see 2 tiny lesions finally in the area of the pain and we tried zovirax cream on them last night. I am not sure that the are shingles, but they do look viral. She is still sleeping, so don't know if it did anything. I have given her lysine and I gave her a dose of monolaurin last night.
I am all ears if anyone has any suggestions. I do appreciate everyone's help.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Sparrow, there are many things that look anti everything. Even the Utilins can be used against something.
Do you do energetic tests? I would bet on them for you to guess your Sanum. You are right, some of the non-isopathic remedies can help sometimes, like Quent, Grifo, Not, Leptu, Recarcin, etc.
Do you use photons? I would have a good suggestiong for that if you use photons. Do an autonosode from the blister or water coming from the lesions. THey work for viruses like magic, sooo fast and still treat whatever aditional infections the lesions will have (like candidal, for example).
I would start with a D1 until a D12 on these potencies: D1, D3, D5, D6, D10 and D12 to start.
Then will prepare the next ones in the next days: D15, D30, D60, D100 if you are patient enough. I believe there's no better viral killer treatment than a good autonosode.
Photoon following dr. W.'s protocol with the BIonic or do other trigger points (see the PE1 thread). That's the cheapest, most specific, and fastest remedy I can recommend.
If you do energetic tests, go for all the basic foundation Sanum and the immunomodulators. You'll probably find something to help. But the above treatment is by far the most specific and probably curative (unless daughter is allergic to any toxins from the virus...)
If you'd like something better than injected, I guess you have to go through photons. I don't think injected borrelia nosodes would do the amazing results that dr. W is getting with photooned nosodes.
my opinion! Photons will even cross some of the bones, while injected homeopathics won't.
Good luck!
Posted by Sparrow (Member # 11734) on :
Thanks for the advice! I have an infrared light I bought on sale for $50--not quite the Bionic--but it does have several settings. I have given her 2 treatments and one tiny thing improved, so we were encouraged.
I tried to follow as closely as I could with the Bionic protocol: I used a clear vial of the Deseret lyme nosode taped to the solar plexus; she drank a liter of Smart Water during the treatment; we set the light at the highest frequency and placed it on all of the points I read were used by Dr W; for detox afterward, she took baking soda(in a capsule), a mag chloride tablet,Heel detox remedies, and a Japanese detox capsule I have just started using.
We had to do a family event and traveled for several days, so we couldn't continue with the protocol. She got sick on the way back home.
I actually have a preparation that a doctor made from her blood before I really knew about the Bionic. We have been trying to use a drop a week, but it is very potent and makes her sick. I have planned on using it next in a vial and do the light therapy.
Your idea about the blister liquid is great. These lesions are so tiny, I can't tell if there is liquid in them--they may even be scabed over. I probably would not have seen them if I had not been looking. I will still be on the look out for anything else I can use to make a remedy from.
Thanks again for the advice.
Posted by LymeCFIDSMCS (Member # 13573) on :
I nebulized Heel Ubichinon Compositum, but I'm not sure it was any better than the oral form. I read the same thing you did on the Sanum site.
I am taking Pleo Quent and Pleo Not, but I put them on the back of my hand and snort them up my nose, which I think is more effective than taking them orally.
I read that both Pleo Not and Pleo Brucel might be good for Lyme (esp. Not). Quent is the one for viruses.
Posted by Sparrow (Member # 11734) on :
Thanks! Are you noticing any improvement on them?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
CFIDS, hey, great you are on the Ubichinon and these other foundation remedies!!!
The Ubichinon gets MUCH stronger if you add Sanum Citrokehl (to correct the citric acid) and Heel Coenzyme compostium. They work WONDERFUL.
You can redilute them about 10 times adn they still work the same way.
I sniffed, drank, rubbed, then photooned these. Photooned is the strongest.
I gotta go, will come back after!
Posted by LymeCFIDSMCS (Member # 13573) on :
I have been trying to get Sanum Citrokehl in sips to nebulize along with the Ubichinon Compositum, and in fact ordered it from somewhere but it never came!!!! Can you tell me where to order it in the sips? I want to nebulize them together.
How do you photoon? Have you ever injected them? I was also reading about a method of drawing some blood, mixing it with injectable remedies, and re-injecting it.
And yes, Sparrow, I think they are helpful. I was in a very very bad place when I started and have had some improvement.
Posted by LymeCFIDSMCS (Member # 13573) on :
Actually, another question on this topic: has anyone ever read anything about Sanum or Heel remedies for bartonella? I read those mentions of Pleo Not and Pleo Brucel being possibly good for Lyme when I was reading Sanum articles, but I'm not clear on which remedies would help bart.
I'm hypothesizing Pleo Brucel might be helpful since brucella is so similar to bartonella, but I would love confirmation on this.
Posted by Sparrow (Member # 11734) on :
I don't know where to buy any of the Sanum products. In fact I was wondering where you bought yours. I only saw some on a Dr Z site, but was wondering about that site.
My daughter did a bart series by Deseret Botanicals and it was amazing. In fact I thought we had finally crossed the line and it was going to be mostly up hill, but she crashed in April and we have not been able to go forward.
That's why I am researching new ideas.
Posted by LymeCFIDSMCS (Member # 13573) on :
I got many of mine from Dr. Z's site since it seemed like the only place I could find a lot of them, but they don't sell the sips I was looking for.
I was wondering about the bart series. Can you tell me more about that? What meds did she treat bart with and for how long before trying the Desert Biologicals series? Do you think her crash was/is bart-related?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
With the blisters: no matter the amount, even minimum amounts can do the job. You collect with cotton, then let the cotton sit on vodka for one or two hours. Then take the cotton out. You got your mother tincture. Take a drop of it and redilute it 10 times, you get a D1 (or X1) and so on.
I did that with a drop of my daughter's knee liquid, that was already dry, and I swear it worked!!
That was her main remedy against a multiple infection (even staph tested in the liquid), borrelia, bart, babesia, whatever else tested energetically. ---
I live in Switzerland and get my Sanum here or in Germany.
As for bart, no idea.
As for San Brucel, I never used it against Bb (because I had the nosodes dr. W. uses with the Bionic). These are MUCH more specific against Bb than San Brucel.
I don't know ANY place in Europe that sells bart nosodes. I only know Deseret Biologicals in the US.
My bart went out when Bb went out. Both were persistent infections. I can't remember what I used, except that it was a big combo.
Bart went dormant with Bb after photons. Before, I got it dormant too only with herbs (I did a thread called bartonella alternative herbs long ago). At that time, I wasn't into Sanum as much as now, so I didn't try Sanum for bart.
The most important Sanum for us are: Fort, Not, Quent, Alb.
2nd most important: Bovisan, Pef, Muco, Nig, Mucedo, then the Sanukehls (Strep, Staph, coli, Myc...)
I'm curious about Brucel for bart too though, but I would first give a try on the desbio bart series.
I have it at home, I could just do an energetic test for you people with active bart. I know no one for the moment with active bart to test the remedy...
Now I'm moving out, so it will have to wait 2 weeks though. If someone is interested in the test, write a PM.
I'm curious to know if any foundation Sanum remedy tests for bart too.
But even though I find Fort and Not excellent wide spectrum killers, my choice usually goes to the nosode (in case I know against which I'm fighting). The specific nosode tests usually much stronger than the foundation remedies. But you can add the foundation remedies too.
Ex: my daughter caught something yesterday with the neighbor. She started vomiting. It's infectious, because the whole neighborhood's kids were sick iin the last days.
I went through my bacterial, viral and fungal boxes, found nothing. So I collected bits of the vomit, put into alcohol, diluted and did 3 nosodes that tested.
I'm lazy, so I put them all in one single vial in the end, and taped it to daughter's solar plexus, photooned it (like dr. W. does, or like I posted in teh PE1 thread). It takes about 5 minutes.
that was her main treatment. An hour later, she was still feeling lousy (because she didn't vomit everything), I asked the Sanum vials and got Fort. This is usually THE remedy for GI problems. I rubbed on the GI part, other entrance gates and still gave her couple of drops through the mouth. She threw up once more, felt better and went to bed.
today, she doens't test for the autonosode (because photon treatment is muuuch stronger and deeper, it holds for days, sometimes for a week or more). So I only had to give her Fort (which I gave her 2x).
She still got some fever in the afternoon (low but persistent). Again, I went to the Sanum box just to experiment. First time Reb tested. But I just couldn't give her, not through photons, nor through rubbing or mouth.
So, I just put the Reb vial on some entrance gates (chakras or accupuncture points), until her body got the 'message'. It looks crazy for normal people to take some medicine just by placing the vial on the body, but her fever went down very fast after that (in a matter of minutes), not to come back again.
I have to try Reb again on and on to be more familiarized with it (first time I used it).
I find playing with Sanum and some of the Heel gives us LOADS of possibilities to treat a great variety of problems. If you use photons, it's a one time buy, very cost effective!!
I combine both treatments, so I need to buy the actual products to ingest and rub (or snif).
I was having difficulties to find all Sanum in Europe because many are getting outlawed (damm pharma lobying...). But I found mine (made in Germany) in the US (a nice 'bird' sent them to me). I think she just called Sanum and got them.
Good luck!
Posted by LymeCFIDSMCS (Member # 13573) on :
I read for an actual brucella infection it is good to use San Brucel and then the brucella nosode, so my thinking was that this could also work for bartonella (bart and brucella being such similar organisms that respond to similar antibiotics) -- that is, do the San Brucel then do the bart nosode. But who knows.
I am interested in finding out more information on how Sanum remedies are combined with acupuncture points (if they are) -- do you know of any European sites that might have info. on that?
I am interested in the testing you're talking about though I don't really understand how it works.
Posted by Sparrow (Member # 11734) on :
Thanks, Brussels for the detailed instructions on making the autonosode. I actually tried to make a nosode out of a scab for her, but I soaked it in water and strained it and used that liquid.
She has a wound that she has had for at least 3 years and I have put everything in the world on it. I am sure it is one of the lovely tick infections, but I have no idea which one. The lyme specialist we see thought it was a basil cell, but I know it is not that. It usually stays scabbed over, but sometimes we will put something on it and it drains. I thought it was maybe bart related, but just can't figure it out.
She has done Bicillin shots, doxy, and zith and the wound never changes. I will make a mother tincture with vodka when I can.
LymeCFIDSMCS, my daughter had a positive bart when she was first diagnosed with lyme, but the lyme specialist could not tell if it was old or current and told us the antibiotic we were going to use would take care of bart also. I knew nothing at the time and just accepted that.
She was diagnosed later with babs and has always done the best on that protocol, but just about the time she starts to feel better she crashes. Sometimes I know what causes the crash and sometimes I don't.
Last June I decided bart was maybe more of a problem than we thought and had read here about the Deseret bart series. She sees another doctor for a different problem, but he is lyme sympathetic and he also does a lot of alternative medicine. He uses their remedies and agreed with me and ordered a box for us.
The bart series has 7 different strains and you take a vial every 3 days. It took a month to do the series. She did herx, but it was not as intense as the antibiotic herxes.
She was more active and was able to do somethings she had not been able to do for years. She did fairly well from June until April and then she crashed. This time I don't know why, so it is harder to decide on the next step.
I want to change lyme specialists because we have to go so far, so I don't have a lyme expert to try to help me figure this out right now.
Hope this info helps you decide one way or the other on the Deseret for you. I am happy to answer any questions you have and very much appreciate your input.