I am also a member in other forums, and was wondering here if anyone had the Western Blot, in which only the 41 kDa showed positive AND in the past has been diagnosed and treated for Klebsiella?
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
What is that?
Posted by lauirel (Member # 16640) on :
It is a nasty little gram negative bacterial infection.
Please don't be mislead by the reference to pnumonia. This microbe can invade and does invade the body as a whole, even the skin.
Posted by njlymemom (Member # 15088) on :
hi - the second link is not working
i am having trouble reading - so if you could
tell me how this is connected to the band you mentioned?
thanks
Posted by lightparfait (Member # 22022) on :
My father in law (83) has Klebsiella bacteria as a UTI, that is antibiotic resistant. It is one of the worst bacterias to get, as it can cause death. Many people get this from hospitals, and being on catheters. It is considered an infectious disease. It never goes away, but can go into remission, and come back any time.
He is now in assisted living due to mental confusion that is alzheimers like, but comes and goes. I believe the Klebsiella as well as possible other bacteria and viruses are responsible for this type of dementia. Just my observations from working with him and other elderly patients with this and similar things. Especially when you follow each of their health situations and timing of events over years. Most relatives are not meticulous enough to keep good records, remember past conditions or research this as we lyme sufferers do.
My mother in law has Alzheimers and her mental symptoms are different, but also has loads of UTI's and bacteria. No Klebsiella has tested positive yet for her, but every other type.
He came down with this dementia recently, as he was her caregiver, and I always thought he actually had lyme, but family will not test him. They think I am over the top with my theories. Also his specialists from Columbia U. and renowned MD's. NO one puts it together.
NOw he has Klebsiella diagnosis, and I see how he gets more confused when it is active, and after IV antibiotics, it goes into hiding, and his dementia goes away. Along with the timing of the Klebsiella symptoms, he gets lower back pain and cannot move, then shingles come out n his trunk.
This goes away temporarily with antibiotic treatment as well.
All symptoms come back each month together as a well orchestrated scenario. As I notice his decline mentally, I get his urine tested for Klebsiella, and it is always positive. Then it becomes negetive after a week on IV.
I see the relation with this bacteria and possible lyme and co-infections. Not sure if any researchers have looked into this, as I have been hunting for this connection as well. I just know there is a pathogen soup brewing in most of the elderly. Especially if their is imflamation in the prostate or urinary tract. Bacterias sit there and brew.
Personally, this is where I believe our health care money should go...into research of the core root of chronic illness...not bandaids like is recommended from our misinformed gov! It is amazing the costs for treatment for the elderly with all these Non-diagnosis of root cause. Tax payers are paying for symptom management...not curative treatments.
FYI: WE are over billed by thousands each month. (My husband and I take hours going through the bills and have to fight the charges that are bogus) Most family members who get bills just let it go un corrected as the Gov. is paying anyway...this is so corrupt!
We are paying for this out of pocket for them, at least the part not covered by medicare...until all their funds are gone and they are put on medicaid in several months. And we are straped with our out of pocket Med. expenses for lyme! This is what is breaking America. Once on Medicaid, our Gov. will pay for all their hosp. stays and costly procedures yielding nothing positive. It urkes me for my inlaws, for us and for all the American tax payers.! No one wins.
Except for those who do not work, and can get us to pay for them too with the new Gov. Plan!
Posted by lauirel (Member # 16640) on :
Klebsiella is a normal enterobacterial occupant of the intestines. It is not however normal outside of it.
What I have found is that Klebsiella expresses an OMP (outer membrane protein) homologous (similar in ancestory and function) to E. Coli.
Of which E. Coli can cause a cross reaction in the Western Blot for Lyme, the 41 kDa band.
Klebsiella expresses the OMP 41 kDa protein similar to the OMPF of E. Coli.
Sorry about the link that doesn't work. Copy to above adress bar and take out the www and it will work.
I am sorry, but I have to go to work and will not be back until later. Thanks guys for your interest and help.
I have also been searching for this connection and am still left wondering if there is more.
It has been alleged to me that the OMPF of E. Coli can cause a cross reaction on the band 41 of the Western Blot.
Posted by disturbedme (Member # 12346) on :
I only had band 41 on the Western Blot and I am pretty SURE I don't have E. Coli. Doubt I have that Klebsiella either.
Posted by karenl (Member # 17753) on :
I only have band 41 and was diagnosed with enterobacter cloacae gram-neg. bacteria). But I had ofte e-coli and once klebsiella. Lauirel, do you think they can elevate band 41?
Posted by disturbedme (Member # 12346) on :
Karen - what made your doctor test for that? And is it just a blood test? The enterobacter?
Posted by cactus (Member # 7347) on :
My WB showed more positives than band 41, but later I did test positive for an overgrowth of Klebsiella in the intestines (and E. Coli).
Was treated for bacterial dysbiosis, and symptoms are all gone.
Thanks for the info on Klebsiella - quite sobering.
Posted by karenl (Member # 17753) on :
disturbedme,
the enterobacter showed up in a Genova stool test. The test is for everything. About $ 235 and shows bacteria including the meds or herbs to kill them. Also shows yeast, immune problems, pancreas, digestive problems and also parasites. I would recommend it for everyone.
Posted by Fordace (Member # 14874) on :
Interesting, That band 41 keeps coming back with my tests
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
An ID doc told me before 90% of the population has band 41. He then told me my symptoms weren't Lyme and presumes marital stress, though I mentioned nothing about this whatsoever.
Posted by disturbedme (Member # 12346) on :
I disagree, I don't think everyone has band 41. I think a lot of people do, but then again, many LLMDs believe that at least 80% of the population have lyme disease and co-infections, but are just asymptomatic or have very little symptoms or symptoms that they attribute to something else. So then for so many people (including supposedly 'healthy' individuals) to come back positive with band 41 makes plenty of sense to me....
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
That 80% number is just alarming. I hope it's not true, and I hope LLMDs don't say that publicly. What a way to discredit Lyme. Posted by disturbedme (Member # 12346) on :
I don't think it's discrediting... It makes sense to me that 80% of the population has lyme. Makes a LOT of sense to me. It's scary, sure, but I believe it.
Posted by cactus (Member # 7347) on :
quote:Originally posted by seekhelp: An ID doc told me before 90% of the population has band 41. He then told me my symptoms weren't Lyme and presumes marital stress, though I mentioned nothing about this whatsoever.
Wow. Marital stress? What a presumption on that doc's part!
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
How is this 80% figure determined though? Pure gussing. Igenex results? Too many people live normal lives and don't have our symptoms to have this much Lyme in the world.
If it truly was 80% and we use the philosophy shown here, LLMDs would treat EVERYONE and the system would be bankrupt.
Where exactly can I read this reference?
Posted by disturbedme (Member # 12346) on :
I did not read it anywhere.
I don't know how they came to that figure, but it makes sense to me... Maybe it doesn't make sense to you, but to me it does.
And no, LLMDs would not treat everyone because most people are being given the wrong diagnosis, just like they are now - fibro, CFS, MS, etc., etc....
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