One high risk group for H1N1 is immune compromised individuals.
Is that us? Any time I have asked my LLMD the answer is rather vague.
Has anyone with Lyme, coinfections and viruses had the H1N1 virus and gotten over it with no complications?
Did it exacerbate your symptoms?
Thanks
Posted by hopeful4 (Member # 8486) on :
I'm also wondering about this. Especially since I'll be taking a trip, and exposed to more people at the airport and on the plane.
Also feeling confused about the vaccine. I've never had a flu shot before, but so many people seem to be protected by them. And, my doctor does not recommend getting it...therefore I'm confused about what to do.
Posted by dmc (Member # 5102) on :
Like many others here, my immune system is so much in chronic overdrive that I've not caught a cold for many years. Doubt I could catch H1N1 if I tried.
Posted by IckyTicky (Member # 21466) on :
I believe we should be more concerned about that vaccine than the actual flu.
Posted by Hoosiers51 (Member # 15759) on :
I am actually more worried about being one of the last people exposed to it (since I don't leave the house much) and by then, it will be mutated in all kinds of crazy ways, and might be harder to get over.
I have no scientific references that that will happen, it is just something I've been worried about. I would almost rather just go get H1N1 from someone now, to get it over with.
I will not get the vaccine, because the last vaccine I got made me extremely ill. It basically caused a relapse. It was a DPT vaccine.
I feel like my body is probably strong enough to recover from a regular flu, which is probably what we would experience if we were to get H1N1 now. But like I said, I worry what the virus will do later.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by dguy: Like many others here, my immune system is so much in chronic overdrive that I've not caught a cold for many years. Doubt I could catch H1N1 if I tried.
That's my opinion, for sure!
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by IckyTicky: I believe we should be more concerned about that vaccine than the actual flu.
Absolutely! See Dr Mercola's info. I'm not putting that toxic stuff in my body!!
The flu vaccines are all about making money.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Hoosiers51: [QB] I am actually more worried about being one of the last people exposed to it (since I don't leave the house much) and by then, it will be mutated in all kinds of crazy ways, and might be harder to get over.
I read recently ( not sure where .. maybe mercola ) that the virus is NOT mutating like they thought it was going to.
Posted by Hoosiers51 (Member # 15759) on :
Well that's good news, if it turns out to be the case longterm.
I am even worried about getting it years later when I am pregnant. Kind of like toxoplasmosis...the exposure is safe just as long as you aren't exposed during pregnancy.
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
i'm pretty sure i had it for two weeks-i'm in the third week now and still dealing with cough and lung stuff...but don't really feel sick anymore
there is a post on here about what i went thru and herbs i took that i think made it not as severe as it could be
Posted by peacemama (Member # 17666) on :
My son, who is a congenital lymie had it in June. He did fine. He is the healthiest of our family, and the rest of us didn't get it. And let me tell you, we share glasses all the time because we forget who is drinking out of what.
I was locked in the house with him for 4 days, and with my almost 5 year old. Neither of us got it at all.
It didn't set him back AT ALL.
This is how I've prepared myself, but I am a big fan of homeopathic medicine.
This man is a medical doctor who is also a homeopath. He is working with our state health department to help them see that the homeopathic medicine used in the pandemic of 1918 was more effective than anything else.
flusolution.net
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
I say be careful. I got the flu and had it for a good week and then right when i thought i was a bit better a couple days later a whole new set of symptoms hitting me.
Its horrible.
My Pain and fatigue and headaches and all the flu like symptoms are worse.
I am in the middle of some intensive treatment of abx IV and all sorts of immune support and i am still sick and the whole thing is scary.
I have not ended up in the hospital but it s not over yet and My lungs are really hurting.
Just wash your hands and do all you can do to take care of yourself and thats all you really can do.
i am not for the shot either... but at the same time two years ago it was the flu that made me relapse fully of lyme and co infections.
I am afraid ... of regressing once again...
You got to be careful no matter what.. I am not sure why there some of you think you can not get sick? And i guess everyone is differet. I never got colds or am sick either on that level.. but the flu seems to find me..
Take care.. everyone..
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
spring-your sx returning are what they are warning about. this is when it is very impt to get to a doc and let them know you were geetting better and took turn for worse.
this is serious. don't want to be alarmist-but this is what is happeneing to the ones who die or almost die. please let doc know what is happening. resp sx are the biggest problem-get to er fast if breathing is a problem. take care.
Posted by lymers (Member # 21512) on :
I agree with lpkayak. Your symptoms returning are what is being warned about with this flu. Especially lung symptoms.
Lymers
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
from flu.gov;
Additional Information Warning signs that you may be getting worse: Most people with the flu (including H1N1 flu) will get better over a few days. However, some people may get sicker and should see their doctor if they get worse. Some warning signs that should make people consider calling their doctor or going to a walk-in clinic or emergency room are:
*Hard time breathing or short of breath. *Pain or pressure in the chest or stomach. *Feeling dizzy all of a sudden. *Being confused. *Not being able to stop throwing-up.
****Flu-like symptoms that were getting better - but then came back with a fever and worse cough.***
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
from flu.gov;
Additional Information Warning signs that you may be getting worse: Most people with the flu (including H1N1 flu) will get better over a few days. However, some people may get sicker and should see their doctor if they get worse. Some warning signs that should make people consider calling their doctor or going to a walk-in clinic or emergency room are:
*Hard time breathing or short of breath. *Pain or pressure in the chest or stomach. *Feeling dizzy all of a sudden. *Being confused. *Not being able to stop throwing-up.
****Flu-like symptoms that were getting better - but then came back with a fever and worse cough.***
Posted by mixxster (Member # 22765) on :
I came down with a suspected case of H1N1 in early September, and I think having tick-borne infections made it so much easier to catch, and made my flu soo much worse, and flared all my infection symptoms of Bartonella, but particularly Babesia.
It caused my fibromyalgia to come back in full force, and I haven't felt pain free since.
I think part of the problem is that I'm 19, and it seems to be hitting the young pretty hard.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
There was an article at NaturalNews - there are studies indicating that it is the 'immune-compromised' individuals that often fail to make antibodies when given a flu vaccine.
Therefore, the ones that need it the most are the ones who are less likely to benefit from vaccines. (Sorry, I didn't save the link.)
Posted by mixxster (Member # 22765) on :
In regards to some people having mild cases and others having severe, I think people who are already ill with other infections will probably have worse cases than healthy people. My experience was pretty severe, I probably should have gone to the hospital from my fever of 102.5 and the breathing troubles I was having. It took me almost a month to stop coughing, 5 days to stop having fevers.
I would recommend the vaccine, but I know everyone in the Lyme community has pretty strong viewpoints on this, and I don't want to be in another argument about it.
I'm just trying to warn you that this flu is pretty bad, easy to catch, and especially bad for the young. But I also don't want to argue, because I'm just sharing my experience. (Was in another Lyme forum, and they threw the biggest argument when I warned them how bad my H1N1 was, so I left because that was really indecent of them since I had suffered so badly with that flu.)
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Truthfinder: [QB] There was an article at NaturalNews - there are studies indicating that it is the 'immune-compromised' individuals that often fail to make antibodies when given a flu vaccine.
I would believe that!
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Mixxter .. We'll be nice to you!!
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
OH dear Thanks for posting this. I do fit in that category... I am having problem but not to the point I feel like I need to call the doctor.
But i did feel better for those couple days and now it is all coming back but more in the lungs and sinus and headaches and nausea.
Hmmm Thanks for the warnings because I was not aware of it. I will keep a tight eye and make sure to get to my doctor asap if I have trouble breathing or it gets much worse.
Uhgg.. this whole thing is concerning.
I have not been able to make any progress with my lyme treatment either while this is all going on.
But such is life...
Thanks for information...
Blessings.
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
I am not getting it or any other vaccine.
Have you read this: "...vaccine containing more mercury than is usually permitted. There is no specific notification method required; most patients will get a handout to read."
i'm flatly terrified to catch it, but hey, if the Lord says so, he does....fatalistic i know but i figure i'm already on antibiotics so maybe i'll cross my fingers...
but i won't get the shot. my friend has been sick for weeks afer getting the shot and i'm not willing to risk it.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
randi, they are sick from the seasonal flu shot or the H1N1 shot? (I didn't think the H1N1 shots were available yet in most places....)
Posted by cs (Member # 15270) on :
I am getting over it right now. It sucked, it was miserable, but it was the flu - I honestly can't say it was any worse than any other flu I have had in the past. Still have the cough and am still feeling lightheaded, but am definitely on the mend.
I think Sambucol and Occillococinum may have helped to get rid of it faster, most I have talked to had the worst of it for longer than I did. My 2.5 year old got a bad case of it like me (but got over it quicker), and my 4.5 year old we think got a very mild case of it if anything.
fwiw.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I heard them say something on the news about that when they have to be in a big hurry to put out a vaccine they are "allowed" to put more mercury in .. or any mercury in general.
I hope that makes sense. Did anyone else hear that today?
Posted by RDaywillcome (Member # 21454) on :
According to one news station...the vaccine has Mercury, Themersol and Formaldehyde.
The doctor said it was used to preserve the vaccine.
I often wonder what the government is trying to do to us? Help or Harm?
Money IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL!
[ 10-24-2009, 02:15 AM: Message edited by: RDaywillcome ]
Posted by mixxster (Member # 22765) on :
My lungs had never hurt so much in my life, and I should have seen a doctor, I wish I had taken anti-virals when I had the chance.
Its all been down hill since I got that flu. I dropped out of my remaining college classes that were hard enough with Lyme Bart and Babesia. Its been the worst spike in my symptoms that I've had in my entire life.
Its been almost a month since I stopped having fevers, and ever since then my body has felt like it has collapsed, forgetting that there is a life in here.
Now that I've flared up so badly and am so weak and ill, I wonder if I have to cut my Bart treatment short and just knock out the Babesia, or if I should just suffer and wait till my Bart treatment is further in.
Wish I could underline everything I said 4 times, but there is no underline option.
Posted by RDaywillcome (Member # 21454) on :
How many people are taking advantage of taking time off and saying it is the flu? Especially, school and college's.
The CDC never quite got the amount of lyme cases right, so what should make us believe in how many H1N1 flu cases there really is?
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
I think I read that, also, Lymetoo.
Very good to hear you are getting better, cs. I do think Oscillo can help `tame' some of the symptoms.
Good questions, RDay.....
Mixxter, very sorry to hear about your situation. Though I won't get any shots, I think it's important that people hear stories like yours so they are better informed about what COULD happen.
We also have to realized that there have been several posts here at LymeNet from people who got a regular flu shot, relapsed horribly, and have never fully recovered from the SHOT.
Hearing both sides is part of the process of making an `informed decision'.
Posted by lightparfait (Member # 22022) on :
My daughter and I had it this past July we believe.
Muscle tested positive, but had no lab test to prove it was H1N1. MD was not giving the test if it was truley flu symptoms. It was a definate flu for us, but Milder symptoms than a lyme herx for us! 4 days for me of extremely light symptoms, and 6 for her. We are lyme free at this time for comparison sake.
My son, also on A.I. therapy, had very severe symptoms for 24 hrs, and his two roommates were quarentined with H1N1 for over a week each as he got his symptoms. He did not test positive for it, and all symptoms gone in 48 hrs. I believe his load was down as well with the AI to protect him.
We have also been on the Allergie Immun therapy, so I sense that is helping clear things faster.
I agree that those I know with severe symptoms have underlying problems that are active, and any extra burden on the body causes major problems.
I would be interested if that is the case with the very young people and pregnant women who have died from this. So many unknown disregulations are passed onto our children. And when they get a tick bite or a flu or added heavy metals or any pathogen...their bodies cannot handle the load! And being pregnant, our immune systems are in high gear, especially if we have underlying undiagnosed lyme or another condition.
Those with lesser symptoms seem to have less of an active pathogen load.
This is why I would not want the vaccine now...as I do not want to add more of a load on my body that is in a healing mode already. But I understand the fear of those who are very ill.
If they are not knowledgeable about their underlying health conditions, they have a chance of either getting worse with the flu virus, or getting worse with the vaccine!
It feels like a no win situation for many of us.
Go with your instincts and knowledge base!
Posted by s0ngbird1962 (Member # 16395) on :
I had the flu beginning of August within 4 days I slipped into pneumonia. Fought that for 3 weeks.
Never stopped coughing, but just when I thought I was getting better, I came down with strept, sinus infection & otitis media.
Now almost Nov. still fighting effects, just finished doxy for my sinuses. Still not clear, but there is an immprovement.
8 yr old daughter got it 2 weeks after me. High fever, sore throat, headache, fatigue. Lasted 7 days...never progressed to respiratory and she is completely recovered.
My lymie and hubby big time exposed, both did not come down with it.
Posted by mixxster (Member # 22765) on :
I feel like I went through most of that too, I probably had pneumonia and a horrible sinus infection as well.
I was on doxy since the beginning of the flu bout. I will say antibiotics did nothing to help me get through the flu nor to help with any problems after my fevers were gone.
I think after a battle with the flu, we must be more susceptible to becoming infected with antibiotic resistant infections such as staph, candida in the sinuses, ect.
The sinus problems have led to the worst allergies I've ever experienced.