The author, Henry Niman, a flu expert, believes the Ukraine government and WHO are keeping the seriousness of the situation hidden.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Oh My. That is scary. Especially if they have more than the 6 cases they have reported. It sounds more like Ebola than swine flu.
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
i think i heard on the news today a cat tested positive for it
Posted by MarsyNY (Member # 7766) on :
This is not good. This is more like the lethal 1918 'Spanish' Flu.
Correct, Ip. I heard that, too. Turns out, we humans can give H1N1 flu to our cats, ferrets, pot-bellied pigs, birds.....
Why the h*ll weren't we warned early on that this could happen? Well, I'll make up a new thread about it so people are aware.... Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
i'll look for your new thread-but-we can give to them...can they give to us? what about dogs and horses?
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
The article says "At this time, it does not appear that the cat has transmitted the virus to any other animals or humans."
This statement suggests that it's possible for animals to give it to people.
They aren't sure if dogs are susceptible. The article doesn't mention horses, but I thought I read about horses somewhere.... there are other articles out there. Like dogs, they probably just don't know yet.
Posted by feelfit (Member # 12770) on :
I am going to bunker up. Filling my pantry and freezer and staying home. The book the HOT ZONE was not pretty...and this sounds similar. Hate to be an alarmist, but I can't afford to contract any illness.
Posted by c3mom (Member # 16412) on :
I found this article interestig when talking about the 1918 flu and hemmorraging. If it has already been posted I apologize.
Look what it says about pregnant women and ovulation and Vit C levels.
Note they (c3mom's link) claim a 28% death rate in pregnant women.
This is inaccurate and appears to be a scare tactic. The 28% comes from 100, the number of pregnant women in the hospital for the flu, not the number of pregnant women who have the flu which numbers in the many thousands.
It appears to be an intentionally misleading article meant to scare the livin **** out of pregnant women.
They appear to be, intentionally, misleading pregnant women in order to scare them into getting, what we know to be, a dangerous vaccine. I wonder why. I fear for them and their unborn children.
[ 11-06-2009, 03:40 PM: Message edited by: grandmother ]
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
There are claims that medical staff in Ukraine were not aware of the hemorrhagic symptoms
possible in H1N1 victims (the first reports of this came from Mexico City) and the health
minister keeps making statements in the press that Ukraine is dealing with a mutation of the
virus. I've considered the political pressures he is no doubt under to excuse the complete lack of
preparation but I don't think he could possibly know for sure if there is a mutation or not at
this time.
People in the region have reported light airplanes spraying at night, (most likely an
effort at the aeroclave pandemic response) but by not publicly announcing it the rumors of bio
weapon use and other conspiracies surrounding the election have people stirred into near total
panic. I've had several first hand reports of eyewitnesses to the spraying so I personally
believe it, I just doubt its an effort to infect the populace.
A quarantine is being enforced in Lviv by police who are forcing people to remain indoors, the border is still open and flights are available, my med student friend is leaving later today, hopefully without a viral souvenir to take home.
It's extremely 'coincidental' that someone could predict a deadly flu outbreak in an unlikely region 2 months before it happened.....
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Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
OH Truthfinder I remember that.
But I did not connect the 2. I think the reports were even posted here.
I remember when it was reported and I even told my husband. All the lab animals died.
Thank You.
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Not surprised.
It is histamine.
That virus locks onto a particular receptor that is on ALL of our cells.
If it attaches to our defensive MAST cells, they release HISTAMINE.
And look at this:
"Hemorrhagic shock is one such stressful stimulus which may cause mast cell degranulation and histamine release.
Histamine may be involved in the pathophysiology of hemorrhage.
It was reported that there are large amounts of histamine in the anterior and posterior lobes of the pituitary and the adjacent median eminence of the hypothalamus.
Most of the histamine in the posterior pituitary is in mast cells.
In addition, both vasoactive intestinal peptide (VIP) and histamine-containing neurons are available in the hypothalamus.
It therefore seems reasonable to suppose that these three systems (i.e., mast cells, VIP-containing neurons, and histamine-containing neurons) may play an important role in the
Persons who have underlying allergies (asthma) or COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease) are the ones who, if they get H1N1, end up in the hospital and are at risk to die.
Anti-histamine at the first sign of H1N1!!!
In a way...the destruction of RBCs is protective. This releases stores of Mg in the RBCs and ultimately -> the breakdown of hemoglobin -> CO (yes carbon monoxide) and free Fe which is very toxic to many pathogens.
Like many pathogens...their survival depends on a cytokine storm (massive inflammation - many free radicals).
Prevent the storm = prevent the infection.
VIP above is interesting! It is THE hormone that controls if we are fat or skinny.
For those able to follow this:
VIP produced an acute, dose-dependent 90% inhibition of acetyl-coenzyme A carboxylase activity.
Inhibits ACC2.
***....that balance between fatty acids and glucose as energetic fuels is under neurohormonal control.***"
vasoactive intestinal peptide (VIP)
PMID: 2564395
...when an enzyme called ***acc2 is blocked*** in mice, the animals can eat much more food than other mice and still weigh 10 to 15 percent less."
There is a very specific ketone that comes FROM caprylic acid (when it is broken down in the liver) that inhibits ACC2.
P.S. I keep misspelling hemoglobin...I gotta watch it!
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Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
"How many people die from seasonal flu each year in the United States?
The number of seasonal influenza-associated (i.e., seasonal flu-related) deaths varies from year to year because flu seasons often fluctuate in length and severity.
CDC estimated that about 36,000 people died of seasonal flu-related causes each year, on average, during the 1990s in the United States.
This figure includes people dying from complications of seasonal flu.
This estimate came from a 2003 study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), which looked at the 1990-91 through the 1998-99 flu seasons [10].
Statistical modeling was used to estimate how many flu-related deaths occurred among people whose underlying cause of death on their death certificate was listed as a respiratory or circulatory disease. During these years, the number of estimated deaths ranged from 17,000 to 52,000.
In 2009, CDC published additional estimates of seasonal flu-related deaths comparing different methods, including the methods used in the 2003 JAMA study.
The seasons studied included the 1993-94 through the 2002-03 flu seasons [9]. Results from this study showed that during this time period, 36,171 flu-related deaths occurred per year, on average."
This sustained *elevated level of AChE* in the brain, thymus and spleen *activates capase-3* in response to cerebral ischemia.
Inhibit AChE...acetylcholinesterase. That metabolizes acetylcholine.
Aricept?
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Pinelady, whose arrest? (I'm unable to watch online videos.)
Marnie, I've taken note of your antihistamine suggestion - makes a LOT of sense. The coconut oil is another good idea.....
Wonder when we'll get any kind of update on what testing shows coming out of the Ukraine. Of course, if the WHO is in charge of the investigation, we may never know the real facts. Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Joseph Moshe's arrest was caught on video. It was reported he made threats to the president etc. back
in Feb. He did not but FBI/SWAT arrested him for such. He was whisleblowing and they had him
arrested. He was supposedly sent back to Israel, and doing well? I would say he got very lucky. You
can look up his name.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Oh, thanks Pinelady. Should have realized you were talking about Moshe.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Joseph Moshe (Moshe is the man's middle name) is a bio-scientist. He works (worked?) for a unit within Mossad. He is an Israeli citizen.
The Secret Service was not the agency involved in the surveillance of Moshe at his home in California. This was done by the FBI, who had orders to detain him, or "bring him in."
Moshe did not send a threat to the White House. Rather, he communicated that he intended to go public with information he had regarding the flu vaccine that is being prepared by Baxter Labs, an Austrian company.
The information is this: The vaccine is being manufactured in Ukraine. It is not a vaccine at all, but rather an engineered genetically mutated bio-weapon meant to cause sickness and death. Moshe informed the White House he intended to go public with this information. When he became aware that the FBI was about to detain him, he packed some belongings in his car and set out for the Israeli consulate, located in close proximity to the federal building where the standoff took place. FBI pursuit kept him from reaching his destination.
Mounted on top of the large black vehicle was a microwave weapon which fried the electronics in Moshe's car as well as any communication devices he had which might have been used to contact the media or others who could help him.
Moshe did not suffer the same effects of the gas and pepper spray that others would have because he had built up an immunity to such weapons as a by-product of his Mossad training.
Moshe was not handcuffed because he was not placed under arrest. After leaving police or FBI custody, he returned to Israel, where he is at this time.
could be caused by water conditions.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Thanks for more background info, Pinelady.
I love a good mystery but this is a little too spooky for comfort.
I just wrote to a friend who has some inlaws that live in the Ukraine and were visiting in the states last summer. I asked if she's heard anything. Probably not, but I thought I'd check with her.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
ALERT A novel virus with pandemic potential causes severe disease in humans who have had contact with infected animals. There is no effective transmission between humans. Novel virus has not arrived in Australia. DELAY Novel virus has not arrived in Australia. OS4 Small cluster of cases in one country overseas. OS5 Large cluster(s) of cases in only one or two countries overseas. OS6 Large cluster(s) of cases in more than two countries overseas. CONTAIN Pandemic virus has arrived in Australia causing small number of cases and/or small number of clusters. SUSTAIN Pandemic virus is established in Australia and spreading in the community. CONTROL Customised pandemic vaccine widely available and is beginning to bring the pandemic under control. RECOVER Pandemic controlled in Australia but further waves may occur if the virus drifts and/or is re-imported into Australia. PROTECT Pandemic virus is mild in most but severe in some and moderate overall. This phase sits alongside CONTAIN and SUSTAIN phases with a greater focus on treating and caring for those more vulnerable to severe outcomes. Vaccination in PROTECT
Under the AHMPPI (2008) immunisation would normally mark the beginning of the next phase, or CONTROL. However, given the moderate nature of pandemic (H1N1) 2009, and the desirability of continuing current measures under the PROTECT phase, a change to the CONTROL phase will not occur.
The PROTECT pandemic immunisation program enhances current efforts to reduce morbidity and mortality in people at increased risk of severe outcomes if infected with the pandemic (H1N1) influenza virus.
* Protect Phase Annex to the Australian Health Management Plan for Pandemic Influe
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
discusses genetic changes in Ukraine that raise pandemic concerns.
The sequencing of genetic changes should have been released to the public/media by now and the fact that they have not been released is also raising concerns.
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
Responding so I can follow the thread.
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
Dean W. A. Pearson of Philadelphia collected 26,795 cases of influenza treated by homeopathic physicians with a mortality of 1.05%, while the average old school mortality is 30%.
I do not find evidence that Flu vaccines prevent deaths from the Flu, but the case for Homeopathic Remedies do have a track record to fall back on.
I guess if I used anything, it would be homeopathy.
Bea Seibert
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
Hi Bea,
What are you and Steve doing to safeguard him? Has he taken / will he take the vaccine?
xo
Posted by seibertneurolyme (Member # 6416) on :
Canbravelyme,
No vaccine for us.
Just trying to keep hubby away from other people as much as possible.
I did increase his oral vitamin C from 3000 mg daily to 5000 mg daily and added back herbal tinctures of billberry and elderberry and hyssop. Hubby has been on a prescription antiviral for 6 or 7 years -- amantadine for borna virus -- not really sure it does anything but afraid to stop it right now.
I usually have hubby on some sort of antiviral tincture -- switch around between different herbs -- lomatium, cryptolepis, lemon balm, St John's wort etc. Also, hubby has finally worked up to 10 tablets daily of andrographis. Have been working on getting the dose up for a couple of years actually.
Hubby's WBC has gone back to normal (after resuming levaquin) -- had been low for about 9 months -- so right now I am not extremely worried about the flu.
Bea Seibert
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
WBC normal after Levaquin! That's astonishing! I'm so relieved!
My neuro would like me to do Levaquin, but I'm having difficulty accessing it in Canada, as there's a witch-hunt out for anyone willing to treat remotely outside CDC guidelines.
In the interim, I'm thinking of going back to andographis etc.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
I think they have had enough time to tell us what the heck it is.
Anyone heard?
Posted by coltman (Member # 21272) on :
Somebody tell me why 135 death from infection in 45 mln ppl country is considered serious .
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
Yes, please: could someone find us comparative stats re: regular flu season this time of year vs. other years?
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Reportedly the cases are double reg flu season. But what they are investigating it what this is.
Incidentally Egypt is reporting their first death of the hemorrhagic flu. While H5N1 has been their problem. If H1N1 is Ukraines problem things may have changed.
More then 70 clinical trials have been completed or are ongoing as of July 2009. While most of the
clinical trials have focused on healthy adults, new data is now available on safety and immunogenicity
of vaccine candidates in the elderly and in children.
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
This is creepy; did I understand correctly that Egypt is now looking at the emergence of a possible recombinant?
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
banning of public gatherings are among the harshest measures in Europe against the H1N1
virus. Yet Tymoshenko has not forcefully advocated for people to get vaccinated against
the virus. "I am not vaccinated," she said in a television address this week. "I am protecting
myself like everybody, with lemon, onion, garlic, everything that is needed. I think the best way
is simply to protect your health through well-known means." Yushchenko, meanwhile, has
urged people to get vaccinated immediately.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
I'm getting confused. H5N1 is the `bird flu' (avian) virus, correct? Well, the current H1N1 swine flu virus contains the avian flu virus gene, along with a couple of H3N2 genes from Eurasia.
Which is all very interesting, but I have no idea what it means.
Canadian Broadcasting reported Friday that the Ukraine government is `over reacting' to the recent surge in illnesses, probably for political reasons, they suggest. Note that neither the severity of the illness nor the rapid spread is specifically noted. Well, the CBC isn't one of my favorite news sources anyway.....: http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/11/06/h1n1-world.html Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Talks about Hill and WHO
Posted by coltman (Member # 21272) on :
Anonther scare tactic. When death count reaches hundreds of thousands - that would be legit concern, otherwise you have better chances to die in car crash
Posted by emla999/Lyme (Member # 12606) on :
I re-read my post: In case you didn't catch that: I'm saying the plague has been here for a while; it's vector borne, like the previous one...
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
"Pneumonic plague is the most deadly form of plague but least common. It can be spread through airborne droplets released through coughs or sneezes, or through contact with infected body fluids. It can also be spread through contact with clothing or bed linens that have been contaminated with infected body fluids."
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
I personally believe all land mammals can contract Lyme disease.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
I can't believe I'm talking about Plague here,
but with over 200,000 cases of Lyme why not?
Without early treatment, patients may die. Early treatment of pneumonic plague
is essential. To reduce the chance of death, antibiotics must be given within
24 hours of first symptoms. Streptomycin, gentamicin, the tetracyclines, and
chloramphenicol are all effective against pneumonic plague. Antibiotic treatment
for 7 days will protect people who have had direct, close contact with infected patients.
Wearing a close-fitting surgical mask also protects against infection.Plague
is an infectious disease that affects animals and humans. It is caused by the
bacterium Yersinia pestis. This bacterium is found in rodents and their fleas
and occurs in many areas of the world, including the United States. Y. pestis
is easily destroyed by sunlight and drying.
Even so, when released into air, the bacterium will survive for up to one hour, although this could vary depending on conditions. Pneumonic plague is one of several forms of plague. Depending on circumstances, these forms may occur separately or in combination:
That's 200,000 new cases / year
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
You know that would absolutely contradict what we
have been told. Antibiotics will not work for flu,
don't bother. If it is vital to get them within 24
hours, why not bother?
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
The plague was a bacteria. I do think that abx will help with the "flu", as the real issue has to do with secondary infections.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Yes, thats why they told the people in Ukraine
to get to a doctor right away. No delay. Seek
treatment immediately.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Thanks for the updates.
As for preparation for the plague, I've got my homeopathic remedies all accumulated and ready for most deadly diseases and bio-terrorist attacks, including plagues.
The article claims that death rates in the Ukraine are 10 times those attributed to H1N1 cases in other areas, so far. There are some new points raised in the article which are worth reading (though the article is a bit long).
Have you noticed that in the past 15 years or so, absolute power of assessment in any given health situation has always devolved to governmental entities such as the CDC, the WHO, or the UN. Why? This is the equivalent of saying that local doctors, medical examiners, and coroners are incapable of empirical observation and reporting about what they see in a localized situation. Why do we need a team of international experts to verify what local authorities find? Does it really take outside experts to confirm that people are dying with their lungs full of blood? I don't think so and I'm bothered by that. At lot.
It's a different story when there is a pressing need to determine the cause of the problem, i.e., whether it's a virus, the plague, etc. Then outside experts are often required. But we can't even get objective reports about the initial observations at the local level.
What troubles me most about this is the lack of coverage by the `lamestream' media; nothing from any major network or cable news outlets, nothing coming over the AP wire or out of the BBC.......
We are in a near-complete media blackout regarding this story, and it all started over a week ago.
Then there's the paucity of information available about adverse events from the swine flu shot here in the USA.
I, too, would like to know how many deaths and hospitalizations occurred in people who received either the seasonal or the swine flu shots - not just in the Ukraine but in every country. There's been enough time get some preliminary data, at least. But frankly, do we have accurate information from past years in that regard?
Perhaps we should all start hammering our favorite media outlets and demand to know why there has been no coverage on the Ukraine situation, the adverse event reporting, etc.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Tracy I started a week ago and yes total blackout.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
I just sent a joint e-mail to Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck. I got a confirmation that my e-mail to Beck was received.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
They are using Baxters.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Oh, one other thing.... in that article I posted about, it talks about 'shedding' of the vaccine virus. This is something we haven't even talked about, but we should.
quote:Public health authority, Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz sees a deadly connection between governments and the drug cartel over dangerous, toxic vaccines. On You Tube, he recently warned that:
"These vaccinations contain highly unstable viruses that easily mutate, because they are 'live active' laboratory mutants that are being administered....People shed these 'live' viruses up to three weeks following vaccination. That means if you haven't been vaccinated, and you get near someone who has and then sneezes, you can get their H1N1 laboratory infection."
He explained that anyone contracting H1N1, from vaccinations or other Swine Flu-infected persons, risks combining it with other internal or environmental viruses, creating a lethal mix that can kill. He expressed great concern about vaccines used to transmit dangerous viruses, capable of mutating into deadly ones, believes this may be happening in Ukraine, and thinks America and other nations may be next.
Posted by Skyler (Member # 11549) on :
This is absolutely terrifying...
My family has letters from our ancestors who survived/tried to survive the 1918 flu epidemic. People were dropping like flies!
This is VERY creepy.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Antivirals early for patients immune compromised-blaming it on docs for withholding causing severe illness.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Advice on home remedys WHO asking network for evaluation. no recommendations
Absolutely no mention of hemorrhagic illness.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
You are right Truth. With the reports of animals also getting this I think they fear it could cross. But so far WHO says it is very stable.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
My brother in West Virginia has 4 kids. The oldest got the live vaccine at school by mistake -- the nasal spray is live vaccine and is not supposed to be given to immune compromised patients (she has asthma). She got the swine flu and so did the 3 youngest kids (none in school yet) -- the baby also developed pneumonia. My mom also had the swine flu -- probably got it from the kids as well.
The only one that was vaccinated was the oldest girl who gave the flu to everyone else !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bea Seibert
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
due to become available next week. Continued...http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE59852M20091009
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
This is insane. We have 5 different vaccines being given in the US and no one is telling the public these things. How easy is it to screw up?
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Its getting much bigger...
Posted by Cold Feet (Member # 9882) on :
Skyler, interesting links. An excerpt from one story is interesting:
"...Donations of supplies, vitamins and antibiotics valued at over $160,000 and donations of over $60,000 in cash for medical supplies have been received..."
Pinelady, I know of three vaccine types -- what are the other two?!
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
You'll know if it's a bioweapon if the Burmese government uses it against its' people - a sudden increase in Swine Flu cases.
The regime sees most of the inhabitants of Burma a nuisance. This is why aid was blocked to assist hurricane Nargis victims.
What a world!
I wonder which vaccines Gary Wormser had.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
I like this webcam because you can look at pics from any time of day prior.
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Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Wow, thanks Bea, and sorry to hear that. Bea, do you know if the family was given ANY warning about the `shedding' of the live virus?
Pinelady, I don't think we have that many vaccines in the US. We contracted with only one or two companies - I posted about it somewhere but who knows where - there have been so many flu threads, I lost track. All I remember for sure is that vaccines for the US don't contain squalene or an adjuvant (supposedly) like the European vacs do.
Well, India has a problem with Dengue Fever every year. It seems to be worse this year, though.
[Some noteworthy quotes from the Shuswap News article November 9, 2009]
quote:This is not H1N1 2009 pandemic swine flu, also called California flu in Ukraine. People everywhere continue to refer to it as H1N1, but according to both WHO and the Ukraine government they are different diseases. The Ukraine government still reports only a handful of deaths from H1N1 California (''swine'') flu.........
Meanwhile both the government and WHO have been tracking the exponential increased of illnesses from severe acute respiratory illness, which have symptoms very different from H1N1 flu.
It is expected that within the next day or so WHO will release the gene sequence from tissue samples.......[we're still waiting]
On October 29 people ..... reported that light planes and helicopters had been spraying something ........... There were many reports to local newspapers and radio stations, but local officials would not let them be published.
Dubbed the ``Ukrainian plague'', there are also reports today of almost a million infected, 50,000 hospitalized, .......
WHO has had a team in Ukraine for several days and is reported to be in control of some key government positions......... and mandatory mass vaccinations for swine flu appear imminent.
The government is now rounding up anyone who speaks out against swine flu disinformation, hype and alarmism or against mandatory vaccinations. Doctors in particular are not allowed to contradict the government's line or to speak about the cause of deaths.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Me too Tracy. I think it was CDC. I have a doc appt. today so here is a good link to someone who is keeping up with it. You all have a good day. Prayers for the family miss bea.
I think, Dear Lyme Friends, it's time to start stocking up on food, drink and supplies.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
It's difficult to know what to make of all of this. There's a situation of aerial spraying & there's the vaccine. There's also the problem of disinformation about everything concerning everything we read, see or hear.
Seems that whatever the case, the powers at large want everyone in a constant state of panic. I'm not going to panic about this. Jane Burgermeister has been talking about all of this for a while now.
deal.http://tinyurl.com/yk2qzho
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
True, Sparkle. Disinformation abounds. This is like that old, old TV program called `What's My Line'. The panel had to guess which one of 3 contestants was actually telling the truth. That's now our reality, not a TV show.
Re Oscillococcinum: I'm sorry to say it, but Wikipedia is the LAST place you want to look for decent information on anything homeopathic. Entire profiles of prominent homeopaths have simply vanished from Wikipedia over the years. They tend to defer to only `scientific' evidence and philosophy.
If the efficacy of homeopathics matched the scientific evidence out there, homeopathy would have died out long before the AMA `killed' it in the early part of the 1900s (in the USA). I've read many accounts this year of people who take a dose of Oscillo whenever they `feel something coming on', and it has worked great to nip the flu symptoms in the bud. Nothing is 100% effective and this isn't either. But it's good, by the accounts I've read.
Try looking at the reviews of the product over at Vitacost or something to see what some real people say about it.
Re the Ukraine situation: I'm still waiting for the gene sequencing test results to be made public by the WHO. Anybody want to guess how long that will take?
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
8 months
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
LOL.
Wow. Okay, I'll guess 6 weeks.
Posted by grandmother (Member # 19908) on :
Thanksgiving weekend.
Nobody will be paying attention.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
They closed their top lab there. So I will say after the presidential election.
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
Now you see why I'm saying eight months. And that's at the earliest in my estimations.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Tracy - I posted the link about Oscillococcinum as reference. I thought the historical info was interesting. I don't pay attention to their "opinions" about alternative medicine. Wikipedia is far from the end all & be all of medical info...
I read many very glowing reviews about Oscillococcinum from several sources. I'm taking that if I come across any flu this season.
I also made my own "super tonic" as described by Dr. Schulze - garlic, onions, horseradish, ginger, habenero peppers in apple cider vinegar, I think it was... You let it sit for a couple of weeks & take it if you feel low.
I don't believe anything I hear in the media or on the internet - even the Republic Radio broadcasts. Disinformation abounds on all sides of the issues whether it's from Rense or Fox, Alex Jones or PBS, NPR, CNN... I don't trust any of 'em.
In fact, I got rid of my TV & cable. I'm just so tired of the mind control aspects of it. Once you stop, it becomes apparent how much lying & misinformation is going on.
You really have to be careful what to believe out there & cross-reference everything. The only things I take seriously these days are Mad Magazine & the National Enquirer.
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
I understand, Sparkle. Just thought I'd clarify the problem for other readers.
I've got my Thieves Oil spritzer poised and ready, canbravelyme. (Though I mostly forget to use it.)
I get to go to a doctor's office tomorrow so I'll get exposed to all kinds of nice stuff going around, I'm sure. Perhaps I'll remember to sniff up some spritzed Thieves Oil mix before I go and after - I probably should be more careful these days.....
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Now I know why they are on them so hard. Reel them back in before everyone else follows suit.
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
Wow.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Unicef said what they gave them was the best in the
world. If that was the best I would hate to see
what ours can do.
Posted by grandmother (Member # 19908) on :
I'm concerned about that 50,000 in the hospital in Ukraine.
At the moment, 300 dead is a very low number for 22 million ill, and that makes me wonder why everyone is going crazy, but that 50,000 in the hospital...
So, was Joseph Moshe right?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I took Oscilococcinum 200K and the remedy Tracy suggested for the H1N1, Eupatorium perfoliatum. Both tested good during the flu back in summer (July-August, can't remember), and we both passed through the flu without any complications (me and my daughter). It was even milder than a simple cold as it went away fast.
I just helped treating a boy with confirmed H1N1 (by local hospital) here in Korea. One day with fever, second day with mild fever, third day, fever free. He was playing with his mates on day 4. He only took homeopathics, mostly from Sanum, sometimes something for his fever like Aconitum.
I even brought my daughter to play with him as he was bored on day 3. She didn't wear any mask, nor him.
The local hospital gave him Tamiflu and many other things. He took NONE of the remedies, not a single dose. His mom is more afraid of the Tamiflu than of the flu. Just google Tamiflu effects and you'll get to your own conclusions.
His whole family caught the flu, one after the other, the boy was the last one (except for his father), they all got the classical 3 day fever then got well (I just helped his mom getting better, but her daughter got no treatment from anyone and recovered anyway). They're both back to school.
No paracetamol, no aspirin, nothing.
This H1N1 is just another flu. What's going on Ukraine is something else, it can't be the same. No other country in the southern hemisphere that already got their flu season GONE got anything close to what's going on Ukraine.
Everyone has problems with the lungs there in Ukraine, it seems, according to an Ukrainean friend of mine. After Chernobil accident, many breathed radioactive dust for months, if not years. Maybe they are still breathing some, or ingesting some of the bad dust through food and water. Radiation will still be active when we are all long dead, so there must be some damage still going on.
Both Ukrainean persons I know catch colds easily and get very bad cough even from normal cold viruses. When they catch a flu, they are both in bed for days. They live in Switzerland now.
My friend told me her mom suffers from chronic coughs there in Ukraine, for years. They all know how much Chernobil has caused harm to their health.
Now add a poisonous air chemical or spray, whatever the government is willing to test...
Well, the outcome can't be good. I'm sorry for the Ukrainean population. It's a real scandal if any sort of spraying is confirmed.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Thanks for the report from S. Korea, Selma! Good to hear you and family are doing fine, and that you are able to help others with the flu.
There are at least 2 types of flu going around here in the U.S., plus some short-duration `stomach flu'. Then there are those who recover from a cold or flu, only to have some kind of `post-viral' symptoms like weakness, dizziness, nausea but no fever. It has become very confusing.
According to many reports, the homeopathic remedies that were indicated and worked well in the spring, did not work well for the summer bouts of flu. Now that fall is here, the remedies that work now have changed yet again from either spring or summer.
Your comment that the Ukrainians and others in that part of the world might have compromised lung function is an excellent point.
Well, Natural News finally did an article on the Ukraine situation. Not much new in the article, but there are now 65,000 that have been hospitalized (and more every hour).
One noteworthy quote:
quote:Depending on the degree of genetic changes, there is a possibility that some level of immunity may be conferred to people who already have H1N1 antibodies, but here's the dirty little secret the vaccine industry doesn't want you to know: People who built their own natural immunity to H1N1 through exposure rather than vaccines have a much greater likelihood of exhibiting natural immunity to genetic variations of H1N1. In other words, people who overcame H1N1 exposure on their own, without being vaccinated, have a far stronger defense against H1N1 variations that might appear.
According to the article, the best place to go for Ukraine illness news; there are a number of new items the last few days: http://ukraineplague.blogspot.com/
WHO virtual press conference on 11/12 - no hard questions asked by the `lamestream' media about the Ukraine and the severity of illness there is minimized; claims that H1N1 is quite stable and has not changed, blah, blah; apparently Afghanistan has been hit pretty hard with this, which may explain why our President does not want to commit to sending more troops there?: http://ukraineplague.blogspot.com/2009/11/who-press-conference-questions-on.html Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Right on the lung issues. Also we have to take in
consideration in many places there is not running
water. And in many places it is rationed. Only on a
few hr. am and pm. So if you take into
consideration quality of life for those folks it
could be a combo of contributing factors. Low
immunity caused by deficiencies and exposures.
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
No running water in Ukraine?
I'm wondering whether the figure 65,000 refers to people who got checked at Emergency, or if there are truly 65,000 admitted. Any news?
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
I cked out a few chat sites for Ukraine. They
were very political, talking about govt. making
their gas payment on time. And complaining about
specific water conditions in their flats.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Pinelady, many thanks for the VERY INTERESTING information FROM THE VACCINE MANUFACTURERS!!
I'll keep that in my files.
Doctors say we should read the remedy 'instructions' (I don't know how we say that in English) before we take them, right?
Why don't they recommend us to read what the MANUFACTURERS wrote then before injecting a substance in our bodies? Why keeping these usage instructions hidden from the public?
I am PRETTY sure many parents will never vaccinate children if they read those papers.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Aw Brussels, that is nothing new. That started over 40 years ago. Thats where we got blessed with Simian Virus'.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Two new pandemic vaccines, Panenza�, produced by Sanofi Pasteur, and Celtura�, produced by
Novartis, have recently received marketing authorization in France and Germany,
respectively. Sanofi Pasteur has filed a decentralized marketing authorization application
for Panenza� in six European Union countries; Belgium, France (acting as ``Reference Member
State''), Germany, Italy, Luxembourg and Spain. Authorizations in the other five countries will
follow the authorization in France. Novartis continues to pursue registration in other
countries including Japan and Switzerland.
Panenza� is a non-adjuvanted, egg-derived, inactivated monovalent influenza A(H1N1) 2009
vaccine containing 15 μg of hemagglutinin of influenza A/California/07/2009 (H1N1)v-like virus
per dose. Clinical trials have been performed in France and Finland in adults and children aged 6
months of age and older. First immunogenicity and safety data have been presented to the French
drug agency Afssaps (Agence fran�aise de s�curit� sanitaire des produits de sant�) before
authorization.
Celtura� is an MF59� adjuvanted, cell-derived,
inactivated monovalent influenza A(H1N1) 2009 vaccine containing 3.75 μg of hemagglutinin of influenza A/California/07/2009 (H1N1)v-like virus
per dose. Clinical studies in more than 1,850 subjects evaluating safety and immunogenicity
have been presented to the German drug agency Paul Ehrlich Institut before authorization.
Previously, in the European Union, the European Commission has granted authorisation for three
specific A(H1N1) vaccines following a positive scientific opinion issued by the Committee for
Medicinal Products for Human Use (CHMP) at the European Medicines Agency (EMEA).
The products centrally authorised are Focetria� (Novartis), Pandemrix� (GlaxoSmithKline) and Celvapan� (Baxter). The vaccines are authorised for use in all Member States of the EU and the EEA (Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway).
For further information including indications and doses in different age groups, see LINK
In addition, the National Regulatory Agency in Hungary previously has provided a national
licence to a pandemic vaccine, Fluval P, produced by the Hungarian manufacturer Omninvest. For
further information, see LINK
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Home > News > Information > Information on influenza A (H1N1)
Side effects from Pandemrix� from 4 to 10 November 2009 (12.11.2009)
One dose of Pandemrix� against influenza A (H1N1)v for healthy adults (23.10.2009)
EU Commission authorises a third vaccine against influenza A (H1N1) (14.10.2009)
The European Medicines Agency recommends authorisation of another vaccine for pandemic influenza A (H1N1) (06.10.2009)
EU Commission authorises two vaccines against influenza A (H1N1) (01.10.2009)
European Medicines Agency recommends authorisation of two vaccines against influenza A (H1N1) 2009 (25.09.2009)
Side effects from medicines used to prevent or treat influenza A (H1N1) (27.08.2009)
About prevention and treatment of influenza (26.08.2009)
European Medicines Agency reviews data on vaccines against Influenza A (H1N1) (29.07.2009)
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Wow, some interesting vaccine info, Pinelady (though I confess, I'm not paying much attention to what they do with vaccines. Funny how these vaccine patents get issued BEFORE a disease shows up, though.....)
Well, here's an interesting Ukraine synopsis from over at FluCase...... Now, this is pretty scary stuff and I'm not trying to scare people, but we all need to know what's going on.
quote:A Tale of Two Stories: The European BioWar outbreak and the censoring of it by the mainstream news media. by Dr. Rebecca Carley
The biggest story on the Planet today is the outbreak of a very serious Advanced Biological War virus in Europe.
The second biggest story on the Planet is the suppression of this story for almost two weeks by the corporate owned mainstream news media.
There is a lot we know and a lot that we can only speculate on about what is unfolding in Central Europe. We know that in mid-October, less than a month ago, there was a growing number of cases of what many thought was Swine Flu (A/H1N1) in the western part of the Ukraine. We know that many hundreds if not thousands of people in western Ukraine witnessed low flying light airplanes aerosol spraying something over Ukrainian cities during the days of October 29, 2009 and October 31, 2009.
We know that beginning the night of October 29th, massive numbers of people begin to get very sick. We know that the Ukraine government issued a statement denying that it was doing any aerial spraying to combat the growing disease or authorizing any spraying over Ukrainian cities. We know that by October 30th, the Ukrainian authorities closed all schools for three weeks and banded public gatherings.
We do NOT know what disease the people were/are coming down with. We do know that doctors are describing the disease as Pneumonic Plague, or as some type of hemorrhagic fever, or as hemorrhagic influenza, or as hemorrhagic pneumonia. We know that the illness, whatever it is, does not appear to be A/H1N1. We do not know if the disease is a recombination of A/H1N1 with other viruses or some totally different virus or if it is in fact a virus. We know that the World Health Organization (WHO) has had several days to sequence the genes of the disease but has failed to release this data.
We know that WHO has NOT called for the quarantining of the Ukraine or the shutdown of all global travel to/from the area of infection and that this is the same thing that they did when Mexican Swine Flu (A/H1N1) first broke out and that the failure to contain that virus early on ensured its spread throughout the world.
We know that the internal temperature of the lungs of those with a terminal case of what many are calling 'Ukrainian Plague' is often from 130F to 135F. We do know that autopsies show that the lungs are filled with blood, and are black in color, and that the lung tissue has turned to mush. We know that patients who first show any signs of illness usually crash in less than 48 hours, sometimes the same day.
We know that the disease was spreading by about 200,000 per day but that this has slowed to about 100,000 day now, in the Ukraine, as people take extraordinary steps to contain the spread of the disease. We know that well over one and a third million people in the Ukraine are very ill with the disease (according to published official sources) and that over 60,000 are hospitalized in serious to critical condition.
We know that the disease has a very high transmission rate with a likely low amount of viral (if it is in fact a virus) material needed to cause an infection. We know that the official reports of deaths are under 300 in the Ukraine. We also know that it is normal for hospital admissions of people with ARI (acute respiratory infection) to have a fatality rate of from 5% to 10%. We know that non-official sources were reporting over 3,000 deaths several days ago and that this number is more in tune with the 5-10% fatality rate than the official figures.
We do not know what effective treatments are for this illness. We do know that young adults seem to be more in danger of this illness. We suspect that 'cytokine storming' similar to that in the 1918 Spanish Flu, that killed approximately 50 million people, is taking place.
We know from official Ukrainian Health Ministry reports that the illness does not test out as Mexican Swine Flu (A/H1N1). We do not know if the existing Swine Flu vaccine has any effect, but based on the non-positive response to Swine Flu in testing, we suspect that the vaccine is ineffective as the viral protean shell is different than A/H1N1 (if in fact it is a virus that causes the illness).
We know that the illness has spread to Poland, where over one quarter of a million people are now very ill. We know that it has spread to Belarus and to Hungary and elsewhere in central Europe. We know that 900,000 people are said to have Swine Flu in Norway but we do not know if this is related to Ukraine Plague in any way..........
We know that the corporate owned mainstream news media (with strong links to global banking families) have censored this story in a way that has never happen before. We know that the outbreak of a unknown but deadly and very rapidly spreading disease in Europe is the largest story on Earth but that it is NOT being reported on.
Never say Never.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
.....except that we have no idea if this is viral or bacterial.
I have my homeopathics, but......
..... one thing that might be good to have on had, as Marnie suggested, is some kind of antihistimine, like Benadryl. Something to curb the 'cytokine storm' that (appears to be what) does the damage.
I even saw that suggested as one of the things to have on hand - this was on some medical website. Wish I'd paid more attention.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
I'm like you, Pinelady. I would have written this off as hype if it were coming from more 'traditional' sources. But those sources seem to be extremely reserved about this - almost inhibited - yet there is some reporting going on even from the WHO itself, so it doesn't appear to be a hoax.
If this weren't so serious, it would make you laugh to realize that with all our communication abilities today, we know less in the way of truthful news than we did back in 1918.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Hi all, been listening quietly to all your posts. I thought I'd drop this little link:
Curious what you think of this coroner's viewpoint of things. Especially, the engineering of the this pathogen.
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
From lymie_in_md's link,
"Antibiotics definitely should not be taken. Antibiotics are the reason we have such a high mortality and infection rate in this country, because people go to the pharmacy, describe their symptoms to the pharmacist and ask for drugs. They buy antibiotics, take them, this lowers their immune system and as a result they become sick. If prescriptions were required to buy these medications, like in other countries, this would not have happened. It is the ability to buy antibiotics over the counter without a prescription which has done so much harm to the State."
Marnie?
Posted by n.northernlights (Member # 17934) on :
In Norway there is only the swine flu, the kind that is very easy. I read several people got pneumonia after the vaccine. Mostly risk groups have had access to vaccine and not even all of them have gotten the vaccine as the deliveries ahve been delayed. There is only pandemrix available, the one with the two adjuvants. People often got unwell for a day or two after the vaccine, and some got pneumonia right afterwards. Some died from cardiac failure after the shot but they say it was totally unrelated to the vaccine.
I had the flu, and others I know, and it was very easy.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
I was in the doctors office today and I overheard a
conversation, dr to mother of child with heart
problem. They advised mother to get the dead/killed
vaccines only for the child. As for Bob's post I
don't know what to make of it. If they don't tell
pretty soon I guess we still have to draw our own
conclusions.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Very interesting info from someone who has studied the autopsy reports, Bob.... (though I am unsure if this man was ever present DURING an autopsy). Thanks.
I don't know enough about viruses to comment on the engineering of this pathogen. (I did look up `parainfluenza virus', which appears to be a virus that causes upper respiratory infection, including the common cold. I thought `colds' were caused by a rhinovirus, so I'm already in over my head.)
If there is no pneumonia involved, then is the article suggesting that there is no `inflammation' of the lungs, only destruction? If so, an antihistamine wouldn't be helpful, correct?
The whole antibiotic issue is a touchy subject because so many Lymies are already on abx. This has worried me a great deal from the very start of swine flu illnesses last year. Antibiotic use during a viral illness, generally, is sort of `the elephant in the room'.
I ran across an article not long ago but never posted it. Unfortunately, there's no easy or obvious solution for those doing abx treatment.
quote:Long-term Antibiotic Use Heightens Cold & Flu Risk
The September 2005 issue of the "Archives of Dermatology" reports that patients under long-term antibiotic therapy ran a risk of developing upper respiratory tract infections at more than twice the rate of people not using the drugs.
The findings highlight the dangers that prolonged antibiotic use raises the risk for infection from bacteria that have developed resistance to the drugs.
Researchers at the university of Pennsylvania School of Medicine studied 118,000 patients with acne and discovered that those receiving the standard treatment of oral or topical antibiotics for more than six weeks developed colds, flu and other upper respiratory infections at more than twice the rate of those who were not being treated with antibiotics.
The researchers point out that even though antibiotics generally have no effect on the viruses that are associated with colds and flu, they believe that the activity of drug-resistant bacteria may change the upper respiratory tract in such a way as to allow the viruses to gain a stronger foothold that results in higher rates of infection.
It seems those taking ABX should do what they can to both lower exposure and use herbals to strengthen the immune system. I also like the idea of using aromatherapy in salves for inside nostrils, talk to an ND about it. I believe if you topically put antivirals on the inside of the nose where we breath we limit the virus's entry into the body. If the virus does affect you it might give the immune system a boost to repell it. If you are a mouth breather, get some cloves and occasionally chew 1 or 2 several times during the day. Very antiviral, if you talk to some folks from India, it is common practice there.
quote:Clove (Eugenia caryophyllata), main constituents of the essential oil are phenylpropanoids such as carvacrol, thymol, eugenol and cinnamaldehyde. Topical application relieves pain and promotes healing. The biological activities of clove have been investigated on microorganisms and parasites, and antiviral activity against Herpes simplex and hepatitis C viruses. Clove also has antimicrobial, antioxidant, antifungal and antiinflammatory, insect repellent and anaesthetic properties.
It doesn't hurt to occasionally gargle with GSE and water or salt water.
All very simple and inexpensive ways to battle this flu season.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Good thinking, Bob.
And onions and garlic would be good to eat (or take).
And I am using my spritzed Thieves Oil mix! I got some sniffles yesterday and just inhaled a bunch of spritzed Thieves and the sniffles disappeared! (Thieves contains Clove oil, BTW.) Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
link to pub med if you would like to look up anything on your free time.
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"In June 2007, the EMEA approved Optaflu, a Madin Darby canine kidney cell culture-derived influenza vaccine"
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Why to the canine cell culture?
You are right Tracy. You might as well toss a
coin. Look what kind of stink they have started on
the Breast Cancer early detection issues.
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Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
I hadn't realized that animals were used in vaccine manufacture until I read this through your posts.
I read about the Green? Monkey. But when you hear a second animal, one must estimate that the use of various animals is widespread.
And as you pointed out about the Monkey, I wonder how many fewer people would have vaccines if they knew they were created at the torturous expense of other sentient beings.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
You may want to look at this before jumping to conclusions about the Ukraine flu-
Ukraine, WHO and the Geopolitics of Swine Flu Panic
"Broxmeyer suggests that the WHO and CDC wish to divert attention from a worldwide epidemic of tuberculosis, while focusing attention on flu instead. Indeed recently the WHO changed its categories of causes of death to lump death from influenza in the same group as death from tuberculosis and other pulmonary disease.
Given the present Swine Flu hysteria, any pulmonary death seems to be reported as "death from H1N1 influenza." In a passing note the report typically notes the patient also suffered from lung problems."
PS - hello Brussels! Seems everything went well with your transition.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
So lets connect the dots so far:
> A microbiologist, a member of Mossad and well published announces a pandemic is to occur in the ukraine 2 months before it happens. Is pulled from his car and sent back to Israel. Why would you announce this?
> A pandemic is announced and 2 million have the flu in the ukraine
> A pathologist announces this disease to be a combination of h1n1 and parainfluenza
> national press isn't touching this either as hoax or real
> the influence of big pharma at the global level, scary!!!
> the WHO took samples from the ukraine and confirmed H1N1
> the WHO down plays the pandemic while others are turning up the volume.
We are all being played! If the ukraine was say proven to have a deadly form of h1n1. Wouldn't you expect every one to be lining up for the h1n1 vaccine?
So is this pandemic part of a plan gone bust or a plan still in motion, or will we see the institution of plan b. Are we sure we aren't all living in a movie, where you don't find out the truth until the very end?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Yes. It's very much like a disinformation campaign. When I started to see this, I just lost interest in the whole thing.
Rumors & lies spread like wildfire over the internet. Even if you think you may be cutting edge - there's the potential to be played.
You have to be very careful & read between the lines - not just connect the dots...
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
I wish it were that easy. No one ever read between
the lines for me and lyme. I had to do it myself.
But I am awfully thankful I got the chance to do
something about it.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Yes. We have to do it ourselves! No one is going to make you see (sounds kind of like a Beatles' song doesn't it?)
After you study it enough, you can start to see the misinformation & disinformation. You have to look at all of the angles & cross-reference everything.
Being kind of skeptical helps.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
I believe there is a lot of flu going on in the Ukraine and it is H1N1 and I still don't believe H1N1 is as bad as portrayed in the press.
Yes there maybe 2 million people sick with the flu. They are a new form of casualty involving politics. And I believe the doctor doing the autopsy finding h1n1 and parainfluenza is what happened.
This is a national story not covered, either hoax or not. I'm confused by that.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Interesting article/research on flu resistance to antivirals.
I don't know what to make of it.
Was the vaccine not effective at all or did the
vaccine make it resistant? Another back to square one.
OH OH OH I see, they had preexisting conditions.
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Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Not to be paranoid but I couldn't find "anything" about this Dr. Victor Bachinsky on the internet other than this article. This one article was referenced everywhere... The same article over & over again.
Please prove me wrong!
It's nice to get a few opinions about this sort of thing.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
How does one end up in prison on a misdemeanor, and end up with no bail. And no release.
Pinelady, I believe that Joseph Moshe was an agent provocateur...
Just my gut feeling. I don't have a TV with cable so I missed the whole news event.
If you are into conspiracies - look up about all the microbiologists who died mysteriously...
Sorry Grandmother - I just don't have the mindset for all the technical stuff. I've been researching XMRV & that's quite enough for me.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
There are reports of spraying in Germany now and
reports of birds falling dead in Europe. We are
under high alert for air and elevated for national.
I can't find a roster of teachers at the school. Plus we're doing searches using English to find someone. Might not be the best method of finding him.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
German newspaper says they gave their military non additive, killed vaccine.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks for looking into it Bob... Still doesn't make me trust him or the media. I'm a "devil's advocate" when it comes to stuff like this.
Someone I know always says - "If the world comes to an end, at least I won't have to pay back my student loans..."
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
I've got to say, I'm digging this so much more than the Cold War. I mean, we should have done this ages ago!!!
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
WoW. Sounds like Victor knows what he's talking
about. I don't think it was a boiler flue stopped
up. If any of my birds start croaking I will let
you know. This is unheard of and very alarming.
I think we should be at severe alert. You know how
many chicken farms we have around here. Ouch.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Dr. Bachinsky may have high credentials but he still could be towing a party line (if you know what I mean).
The Bushes never denied they were Skull & Bonesmen... if that makes any sense to you.
I have to stop before they come & get me here - LOL
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Swine flu: intensive care beds for children 'could run out' Intensive care beds for children could run out in Britain this winter due to swine flu, researcher have warned.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Global incident maps of what is going on around the world. With everything from swine flu to terrorist attacks.
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Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
I wonder if Dr. Bryzinski has an axe to grind. He mentioned in his interview it was a bioweapon. Human beings are emotional beings, it may not sit too well knowing a bioweapon inflicted the injuries to the people he forensically reviewed. He may be acquainted with many who have become sick. My intuition is he's angry at the situation. I guess in time we'll know more.
I'm sorry too for the budgies, but in a way they may have some folks from being sick or worse. In essence they did what they were once used for in mines.
You might want to see the following interview on immune system:
I'm sure it would help to some degree with Lyme to get rid of any viruses in the system. I'm not sure how it works with retroviruses. I don't know hardly anything about them but I think they change your DNA. You would need to clear the retrovirus & then heal your body from the damage. Just a guess...(?)
PS- now that I think of this - it only filters the blood... how would it get to the intracellular pathogens?
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Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
It's funny you should mention kombucha. Who would have thought it would be a way of keeping h1n1 away.
I drink 16oz's a day. I have 30 bottles in my refrigerator down stairs. Probably cost me about 6 dollars to make it. So it is about 30 cents a bottle. You go to the health food store and it is over 3 dollars a bottle. I've got 2 very healthy scobies. I've stopped production for awhile so I have the scobies hibernating.
I've heard people warning not to take kombucha if you have candida issues. Not sure how much of an issue it really is. My guess it isn't, but when you consider one of the constituents is yeast, well maybe that excites candida. All I know is I feel better drinking then not.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Bob -----we need to talk. LOL
Can I have your recipe? Or where you got your start?
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
@Bob: Yes, please post.
Posted by grandmother (Member # 19908) on :
"Thus, all references to D225G, in the NY Times, have been EDITED OUT, as has cytokine storm. This is WHO and CDC warning the NY Times NOT to create a panic (directly or indirectly). Message management is a high priority but the cat is now out of the bag (or the toothpaste is out of the tube and getting it back in is next to impossible). WHO and CDC spin mode will remain in high gear." Henry Niman PhD
Dear Lyme Friends, PLEASE STOCK UP ON FOOD, DRINK AND SUPPLIES, just in case.
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Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Thanks grandmother. I guess I am not the only one
scared. Luckily at this point in history it is
being very spotty. But if they do not get it
contained by major efforts it too could also become
more virulent. Yes they edited. It appears they
don't want us dummies asking people who work with
it just exactly what it can do if conditions are right.
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Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
This is my impression:
1. The reason WHO stated pandemic watch so early on is due to the virus being an accidental "escapee" from a lab.
2. That the rapid availability of the vaccine is a move by governments to indemnify themselves of a "plague".
Considering 2, one does wonder about whether one should be vaccinated.
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
My other question is whether the vaccine is effective / how effective the vaccine is for this mutated strain?
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
According to your nieman poster link, it will not
take much...quote "A vaccine panic is next,
followed by real panic." What is know is the
vaccine may have some effect. Fact is
they just don't know.
Posted by grandmother (Member # 19908) on :
I care about all of you. We have been through so much, together.
PLEASE STOCK UP ON FOOD, DRINK AND SUPPLIES.
It is better to kick yourself for stocking up... than to wish to God you HAD stocked up.
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
I think the issue is going to be face masks and the vaccine.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
I agree on the masks. I'm not so sure it did not
get started in a vaccine, I guess history will have
to tell that story.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I don't think we need to panic. We really don't know exactly what goes on in countries like Russia, Ukraine, most of the continent of Africa, etc. unless you are there.
There's a language barrier & most people in the west (EU, USA, etc.) can't even read the alphabet in Russian & some of the other locations exotic to the western world. It's very easy to spin all of this to make people panic.
My feeling is they want people to panic so they get the vaccines. I have been doing alot of research on AIDS, HIV & XMRV. It crossed my mind that the reason people have developed these retrovirus based illnesses is due to vaccines! I'm not a scientist but I do alot of reading.
Retroviruses are caused by implanting genetic materials of animals into humans via organ transplant & injection. These retroviruses effect people differently depending on their genetics.
If it is true that "they" want to kull the world's population - then, the way to do it is through vaccines. They just want to panic people into getting the jab... This is just my opinion.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland
"Three Polish doctors and six nurses are facing criminal prosecution after a number of homeless people died following medical trials for a vaccine to the H5N1 bird-flu virus."
"In 2002, a number of ambulance medics were found guilty of killing their patients for commissions from funeral companies."
You see, corruption is represented in the medical "industry" just as so in other professions.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
I wonder if they knew how many billions it was
worth, or rather did they get their moneys worth.
Now what will the consequences be? I wonder who
ultimately will be at the end of that trail?
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Avian flu vaccine under development with help of WCS WCS news release November 3, 2005
Avian influenza virus samples collected from wild birds in Mongolia by field veterinarians from the
New York City-based Wildlife Conservation Society (WCS) have been selected by the World Health
Organization to be part of a new human pandemic influenza vaccine currently in development. The
samples, collected in the midst of an outbreak in August killing wild ducks, geese and swans in
northern Mongolia have unique genetic characteristics which make them a valuable
addition to a human vaccine based on a variety of strains of influenza.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
On Tuesday, a 9-year-old chimpanzee named Kipper died at Lincoln Park Zoo after he and the other six members of the group he lived with contracted a mysterious respiratory infection.http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/03/gorilla-dies-at-brookfield-zoo.html
The gorilla, M' bili, was 17-years-old when he died this morning of unknown causes. And that age is well below the average life expectancy of 40 to 50 years for gorillas. http://www.wibw.com/localnews/headlines/69527717.html
Well, I ran across something interesting on another board that sounds very plausible (hope it isn't a repeat of what's in some of the links here that I don't have time to look at right now....):
quote:See: Synergistic Action of Hemophilus Influenzae Suis (Bacteria) and The Swine Influenza Virus on the Chick Embryo. Frederik B. Bang, M.D. J Exp Med. 1943. January 1; 77(1): 7-20. The Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research New York. PMCID: PMC2135289.
* The above study identified a greatly amplified and highly lethal effect on chicken embryos when normally harmless HIS bacteria were combined with harmless Swine Influenza Virus.
This resulted in immediate destruction of chicken lungs -- black like coal, bloody, quasi-pneumonia -- just like in the 1918 pandemic and also these Ukraine Flu outbreaks.
Infection with the Swine Virus also allows the HIS bacteria to remain in the system longer. It was also found that pigs were susceptible to human Influenza A virus and the addition of cultures of H. influenzae, either human or swine, produced a more severe disease.
Now that's a very interesting find about the synergistic action of the swine bacteria Hemophilus Influenzae Suis and the swine flu virus - apparently, ``In the early fall and winter months swine have in their bronchi and lungs the germ (Hemophilus influenzae suis) which is quite harmless......''
So, only in combination with the swine flu do we have a deadly combination..... perfect!
I'm going to go out on a limb here and state that should a more deadly pandemic emerge here in the USA along the lines of the Ukrainian outbreak, simply making a homeopathic nosode out of the phlegm from someone ill with the disease could save a lot of lives.
After all, this was the way most nosodes were made back in the early days - this was how the original Influenzinum was made, for instance. If adequate dilutions are made of the sample, no molecules of `disease material' will remain in the final product.
I'm NOT going to try to tell anybody how to do this! I caught all kinds of flack here for explaining how to make a homeopathic remedy out of a tick, so I won't go there again. Just keep the idea in the back of your mind and if things get scary here in our country, I'll post more about this (or make the information available in some way).
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
together for a finish to the epidemic.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Thanks SO much for all your research on this and related topics, Pinelady. That goes for others here who provided information. It has really helped `flesh out' the situation where few facts are available.
And yes, prayers in this area would certainly be in order! Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
You may want to take a look at information about xenotransplants...
----- Xenotransplantation is any procedure that involves the transplantation, implantation or infusion into a human recipient of either (a) live cells, tissues, or organs from a nonhuman animal source, or (b) human body fluids, cells, tissues or organs that have had ex vivo contact with live nonhuman animal cells, tissues or organs. ----- Besides facing possible rejection, xenotransplants could potentially transmit animal diseases to humans and result in epidemics. Baboons and pigs carry myriad transmittable agents which are harmless in their natural host but extremely toxic and deadly in humans. -----
Vaccines are from animal sources. Once we start crossing these boundaries with various species - there's a big risk to public health.
I find the fact that they would give vaccines to gorillas abhorrent. It's not my decision, though...
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The other thing to research are the studies of Dr. Will Taylor regarding selenium & viruses, retroviruses. It's important information & there are truckloads of scientific studies proving it.
Also look into Dr. Harold Foster.
There are simple ways to avoid infection.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Here are a few other ideas as to what's happening...
Yes, I'm okay here now, thanks for remembering. I hope you are also doing fine.
Whatever is happening, it is always going on the side of scaring people. And when you get scared, you do stupid things (like getting vaccinated or thinking you'll die in case you get a fever).
Thinking you're going to die can actually help your body dying (nocebo effect).
I would also simply do an homeopathic dilution of the mucus or saliva in case of infection. People are afraid because they don't trust that as a good remedy (because it is said that homeopathics don't work and are only placebo).
Read more about the 1918 influenza and the homeopathic remedies, you'll get a pretty good idea of how efficient these remedies can be.
Amazing the amount of false information we get. Fortunately, we're not new to disinformation as we all know how things are for lyme sufferers.
So that you'll end up taking the flu jab or H1N1 jab or, worse, both one after the other. And still buying Tamiflu.
Don't forget that lyme sufferers are usually 'immune' to colds and flu. I haven't caught any flu and rarely got any colds during the time my lyme was active. Many people report that. Another reason not to be so worried in case your lyme is still active.
Once my lyme got dormant, I started catching many colds, one after the other. So did my daughter. Now we catch a cold about once a month (small cold, runny nose, some cough sometimes). I suppose, now that we are healthier, we're more exposed to the flu viruses!!!
I would go with what Tracy says, learning how to make homeopathic remedies with own mucus, and get informed about potencies. Get ready to do that in case any symptom shows up.
If you are still scared, buy all Sanum foundation remedies and keep them at home. Most are penicilin derived remedies and I swear they work WONDERFUL for colds and most common ailments. For viruses, I use Grifokehl and Quentakehl. For some bacterial infections, Notakehl.
Only with these 3 things, I even don't take my propolis or any other immuno boosting supplement to avoid colds or flu. I believe these remedies can save lives, specially if combined with other Sanukehls like for Strep, Staph, Tuberculosis etc. when double infection occurs.
These Sanum kits do make me feel safe. I've seen them working many times and am starting to feel quite comfortable in uing to them. It's been now more than a year that I decided to invest my time and own experiments in Sanum (I look like a marketing person, I know), and I'm not disappointed.
They are certainly my first remedies I look into, when I see someone with an infection, no matter what.
I owe about 60-70% of being candida free, for example, to Sanum. Or let's say, to have candida under control to the point I don't do any diet anymore and still keep symptom free most of the time. I even don't take any Sanum for candida anymore either. Not now. The rest I obtained with detox, photons and diet.
It's almost a miracle in my case, because I had suffered from candida for about minimum 2 whole decades. I thought I was going to die with candida infections without being able to doom it, but here I am.
I am cooking cakes again, eating my chocolate, taking my social coffees with buns here and then, etc. I don't eat that as nourishment, but I'm no more a slave of candida like I've been for decades. I never say 'no' if I feel like eating something with sugar socially.
Don't be slave of fear either. Just take action, get prepared and no panicking.
I'm also pretty sure you can try to use mucus remedies in different potencies to either treat different phases of infection (from first day infection, to the following days) and also use different potencies to treat parallel infections that my arise, because they may react to different potencies than the first viral infection that triggered everything. For that, energetic tests are a must, in my opinion.
You can also try to find a source in own blood autonosodes.
Tracy, I wonder what the wonderful people in your forums are talking about the Ukranian deaths.... Any suggestion for a remedy?
Selma
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
I just sent an e-mail to the CDC - not about the Ukraine stuff but about their failure to update their `regional flu map'. (Those people make me crazy and it's all I can do to remain civil whenever I write to them.) Oh, here's the map I refer to: http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/regions2008-2009/hhssenusmap.htm
This map has remained static since about week 37 or 38 of this year, even though the data through week 45 has been collected and published by the CDC. So, I asked them to update the stupid thing. Oh, here's the data for week 45. http://www.cdc.gov/H1n1flu/update.htm
Anyway, seems like they stopped updating the maps when it appeared that flu cases were dropping in the USA...... well, if the map ever gets updated, we'll find out.
Well, Selma, as of this moment if I had to pick a single remedy to have on hand for prevention and/or treatment of the hemorrhagic illness described in the Ukraine, it would be Aconite 200C (sometimes called Aconitum).
Interestingly, this is also the remedy used successfully (so far) as a preventative remedy by a homeopath in California. She has also given it to several other people and none of them have gotten the flu though others around them have.
Phosphorus is similar to Aconite, but I would NOT recommend using Phosphorus. It can be a dangerous remedy in severe respiratory illnesses (such as tuberculosis) if given at the wrong stage of the illness and/or in the wrong potency. Thus, it is a remedy best left to experienced professionals for serious respiratory problems.
Now, this is all speculative as far as the Ukraine `flu' goes - I've not found any information coming out of the Ukraine regarding the use of homeopathic remedies.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I use Aconite for fever, sometimes, when it tests. I don't use so high potency as you suggest though...
It TESTED for my H1N1 confirmed case, but just once.
I'll keep that in mind. I read a bit about it, interesting remedy.
Thanks for the tip on Phosphorus!
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
Thanks for pointing out Phosphorus is counter-indicated. I've been using ferrum phosphoricum for years to stave off colds and flu.
I won't be using it this season.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Canbravelyme, I wouldn't hesitate to use Ferrum-phos at the first sign of a cold or UPPER respiratory illness, even now. I, too, have used Ferrum-phos successfully for years to stop a cold in the very early stages. Great stuff!
I think that if the Ferrum-phos doesn't seem to be working well and/or the lungs become predominantly involved, then I'd simply look for something different that fits the symptoms best.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
I have to post this in case anyone else did not
see it. It was on national news. President and
Mrs.Obama's entrance to the first White House
State dinner. In the door entryway were two
soldiers on either side of the door. Those
soldiers had on masks. While the others did not.
I am assuming those soldiers got the live,
wherein the others did not and they are taking
precautions so those soldiers do not spread the
live vaccine. This is just my assumption. I don't
think the masks were to protect those two from
infection it was to protect others from them. As for
the crashers, it is ridiculous they were let in.
Sad indeed, how could that happen? What if they
had been terrorists?
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
replicate in human primary DCs and macrophages and efficiently avoid the activation of innate
antiviral responses. It is, however, highly sensitive to the antiviral actions of IFNs, which
may provide us an additional means to treat severe cases of infection especially if a
significant drug resistance will emerge.
I will add they have had some success, but I am sure that has many variables. Such as when it was introduced, dosage, etc. etc.
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
@Tracy: Thanks for your clarifications on Ferrum Phos!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Me too, another fan of Ferrum phosphoricum. Thanks to Tracy, I've been using it for quite some time already (couple of years?). It does work for some colds /flus if used in the very beginning of infection.
It is a funny remedy, as it is either 'works pretty well' OR 'doesn't work at all'. All depends on the infection and on the timing (intake).
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Same for me, Brussels - it either `cures' the cold before it ever gets started, or it does nothing. Now a friend of mine just used Ferrum-phos during a cold and got better in 3 days. She didn't catch it in the early stage, unfortunately, but it did seem to work, at least partially. I say partially because either it wasn't quite the right remedy, or she quit taking it a little too soon because the `cold' is trying to come back some 4 weeks later. She hit the Ferrum-phos early this time and the symptoms went away, so we'll see if it's gone for good this time. It wouldn't surprise me, though if she has recurrences of this until we hit it with the right remedy.
You're welcome, canbravelyme.
One of my books says this about Phosphorus: ``Should not be given too low or in too continuous doses. Especially in tuberculous cases. It may act as Euthanasia here.''
Well, that's a pretty big warning, I should think!
But you won't find those warnings about Ferrum-phos. In fact, I find this:
``Iron and its salts possess the property of attracting oxygen...... Ferrum-phos is a useful remedy in acute exacerbation of tuberculosis.....''
Oh, I almost forgot....
I got a response from the CDC. Well, I actually got 2 responses.
Anyway, they put up a new map on the `flu' page for the 2009-1010 flu season.
Frankly, I didn't pay much attention to when inoculations for healthcare workers and `at risk' people became available. But this is the way I remember it........
I think it's quite convenient that in most regions, `flu-like illnesses' peaked between week 41 and week 43 (Week 41 was the 2nd week in October.) The H1N1 vaccine was just starting to become available. The H1N1 vaccine `delay and shortage' began to resolve right about the same time that cases of `flu' started falling off.
I knew this would happen. The fall-off in illnesses would conveniently correspond to availability of vaccines.
It is interesting, though, that there was still a `shortage' of vaccines in most areas even as the number of cases was dropping like a stone.
Does anyone remember when the H1N1 vaccine became widely available?
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This is WHO and CDC warning the NY Times NOT to create a panic (directly or indirectly). Message management is a high priority but the cat is now out of the bag (or the toothpaste is out of the tube and getting it back in is next to impossible). WHO and CDC spin mode will remain in high gear." Henry Niman PhD