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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Lets all talk about Rife here in one spot and share our ideas and about machines and frequencies and techniques including our experiences.

We can learn so much from one another.. and there is a lack of Rife info no this forum overall and I would love for us to gather here and just talk in detail so we can learn from one another...

Curious how many of you all use Rife as part or all of your treatment?

And how you feel about it.

How has it affected your overall treatment and do you do it with abx as well or do you stop abx to do rife? And why?

[ 02-26-2013, 02:01 PM: Message edited by: springshowers ]
 

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Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
I am on a waitlist to get one. I plan to start using it along with abx as soon as I am able!

I have tried it once and did feel it doing something (tightening in forehead where I normally have my dull lyme or babesia headache) during the session. I didn't herx b/c I only used it for 30 seconds, but from what I have read, it appears to work!

My husband also felt some effects during the short treatment and didn't really notice a herx since he was feeling lousy anyway from Mepron.

I know it could take months to see results, but I am very excited to incorporate it into our protocols. I am particularly interested in trying it for babesia and bart. I feel if we could just get rid of those coinfections, we would improve much faster.

If you want to learn more, The Rife Forum is very good.

tickbattler
 

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Posted by Nutmeg (Member # 7250) on :
 
Rife and AI + binders and fibers for detoxing are the main things I'm doing.

Started Rife last winter and AI in the early spring.

Nutmeg
 

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Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
I am using only rife and feel that it is THE reason for my current state of wellness. I am off all lyme meds and most supplements.

I am working fulltime, parenting and able to be very productive.

Of course, I still have to take care of myself and I rife once per week. I have posted frequencies in other threads, but I rife for erlichiosis, babesia and lyme.
 

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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
I began rifing about a yr and a half after finishing Lyme treatment. I wanted to help KEEP it away. I rifed for about 3 yrs.. once every two weeks.

I must confess I have not rifed in almost a year now. I need to get back to it... just in case!! It's great to have for other things too, like yeast!
 

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Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
 
I'm seriously considering going to rife route. I think Abx is useless for me, but I would like to try one real shot at a serious protocol the way it should be given (Dr. B-style).
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Cats.. can you point me to some of the threads you posted on with frequencies and such.

It seems like a small number of people (on this site anyway) are using the rife.

I am glad to hear successes with it and am using it as a transition off abx..

Not there yet.. but starting to rife.. while still using abx with the goal to hopefully get off abx without worry of relapse..

I am only able to tolerate it one time a week but am told I should do it for shorter time frames and more often is better

Does that sound right?

I ordered the Rife Handbook and am waiting on that to read and learn more..
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
I started rifing about 5 weeks ago with a DT EMEM5a machine. I am def. herxing on it, but I am not sure if I am using it properly or to its fullest capabilities.

I am on abx as well.
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Asummers.. i am in the same boat.. i started but not sure about it all.

There seems to be no ONE protocol or method to follow but just general guidelines...

Kinda frustrating but that is how it is.. it seems.

Would love to share ideas or what your all doing and maybe we can learn from one another??>

Or maybe the Rife Forum would be a better place for that. But there are not many there treating lyme either??
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Sounds like a plan to me springshowers I would love a rifing buddy.

I feel like I am staring at this wonderful machine that can help me, but I don't know how to use it? I am one of those people that 'likes to read the directions' before starting something new. For me and how my brain works, I feel that there are really up in the air directions with the rife.

I know that all of our bodies are different, so there really can't be a 'one size fits all' protocol for this.

I have been following D Bergy's post's like a mad woman. And I got on the rife forum because of him. There is a lyme forum there.

Or maybe we can start a Rife thread, kinda like the AI or Germany threads??

I would be more than happy to discuss my treatment protocol on a lymenet thread, or over email or a PM.
 

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Posted by jarjar (Member # 8847) on :
 
I use rife as part of my treatment. I look at it as a piece of the puzzle.
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
I've been rifing for almost a year now. I'm functioning at 90% most days. I quit all abx in June and have continued to get better and better. I rife once a week - sometimes more. I can't recommend it enough!

Lauren
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Asummers..

Yeah. A Rife Thread on Lymenet would be good..

If you would like to start one or any other ides .. or I could head over to the thread on the rife forum.?

I dont know what would work best There are more people coming out about using Rife here on Lyment and I bet there are quite a bit more..

So maybe start one here.

I think it would be helpful to go back and forth on dialoge about how to start out esp...

What frequencies or programs to use..

How often. Do you pulse and cycle programs?

Etc.

I have been doing things like Overall Cleansing Detox programs and lymph and liver and kidney supports that I was given by the manufacturer of my machine along with some recommendations by a doctor...

And then.. I cycle in Viral and Parasite and Lyme programs.

The thing is.. I have not ventured past the main general programs I was given to start with and I have been reading the Frequenies list and there are like 10 plus different lyme programs and also many of each of protozoan and viral and fungal..etc.

So my biggest question is...

Do you try to treat a few things or one at a time.. and do you choose one program or rotate different ones.

I am finding to get information about what might work for me is going to take alot of trial and error. Like a lot....

I personally feel I need to find a good program for Lyme and as well as the protozoan viral and fungal issues..

On top of that detox and organ support I think are important.

I have been using these pre programed programs for now.

Each one has 5 to 15 frequencies and running 1 or 3 minutes each frequency. It adds up to a lot of time.

I know some who say they use one frequency and treat for 1 minute and work up..

But that seems so minimal.. and ... well ..I want to use supports too if I can..'
 

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Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
lymielauren - I tried to pm you but your box is full...

I was reading an old post about your reaction to your first babs frequency.

Can you tell me if you have kicked your babesia through rife?

If so, how many sessions did it take and do you happen to know which strains you had?

I have read in a couple of places that it is not too hard to get rid of babs through rife, but then I've also read that people were unsure of rife clearing coinfections.

What babs frequencies did you use?

Thanks so much!

tickbattler
 

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Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
I have used it successfully in the past and am using it again for a new bite - i'm not an expert or doctor but I'd be happy to share my experience with anyone interested. Please feel free to send me a PM.

For me it helped tremendously three years ago - I used it as my main treatment during a relapse or new bite - not sure because I developed a severe yeast infection from the meds.

In my opinion and experience - it was the best thing that ever happened to me while dealing with this disease!

The second best thing was learning how to detox!

All My Best,
Scott
 

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Posted by lifeline (Member # 3445) on :
 
I have rifed for approximately 4 years now, usually at least every 2 weeks. I feel it helps me maintain the wellness I have. I have also been off abx.

I have an EMEM5A from DT.
 

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Posted by Karen Mc (Member # 23354) on :
 
this is great info everyone,
keep contributing..


as with everything else here most of it is "greek" to me. I am trying to educate myself and this really helps.

Interesting though (as I had no idea what rife was) so I quickly google it (on my way to work) and found 1 site that offered a machine for 1795.00 ouch but when listing the things it helps it didn't include Lyme--hum interesting, seems like they would like to include ALL ailments it can/may help.

Hate to say but at first I was glad to FINALLY get a REAL diag. as to why I am sick but now after the "stigma" and denial of medical community I feel more like a red headed step-child

Don't mean to offend any red-headed step children but I think you get my drift (:

Take care and God Bless
 

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Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
I am a rifer. Have been for 5 yrs.

Pam
 

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Posted by sapphire101 (Member # 6638) on :
 
I'm seriously thinking about using rife. How in the heck do you know what machine is best to get? I have no idea.

I'm afraid I won't know how to use it if I get one.

It would be great to have a thread here for rife.

Can some of you give me your opinion about the different machines? I would appreciate it.

Sapphire
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Frequency treatments have been my wife's main treatment all along. She no longer has any lyme symptoms. The bacteria has been reduced to a very low level, but is still present in some of the joints, as she can still feel the treatments in specific areas.

The Rife labs EMX is a decent machine for the money, and can run high frequencies needed for the calculated DNA frequencies for Lyme, which do seem to slowly degrade cyst form Lyme.

The GB-4000 is also a good machine with lots of features, but requires contact mode for use.

Most any of the EMEM's will work for the standard Lyme frequencies.

There are many different models that will do the job, and are proven. I recommend one that can run in the Mhz range so a person is not limited to the type of frequencies used.

I think a Rife section would be a good idea, but I suspect that it will not fly. It is not politically correct treatment.

In the past, it has been difficult to even mention it, without a barrage of negative posts, from non users. That has changed for the better lately. I suspect if it gets to be a serious subject here, you may see a flurry of what has happened in the past. But, maybe I am wrong.

Dan
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I know what you mean Dan.

but already there is a lot more interest and people participating that i thought would answer this post.

I think its great..

I would love to ba able to start sharing specifics.

I have the BCX Ultra because it was recommended to me specifically by a professional.

I had no idea what to choose and figured it is pretty much down the middle and not the highly expensive but really low either and has all the options of tayloring and programing that I thought I might need.

It also has the Plasma Ray Tubes that are the Contact method as well as the foot plates and metal hand cylinders. It also have LED as an option and I haee the LED attachements for it. Also Wet pads and sticky pads. I hvae not used the extra yet. I wan0 to figure out what I am dong more first.

I would like to start out by posting a set of Lyme programs I started using

Lyme Program (3 minutes each progamed)
799-803-640-847-1087-1112-1455-2016-2050-4320-6870

I then do

Liver Support (1 min each programed)
337-463-574-668-787-803-912-1862-3337-5546

Lymph Support (1 minute each programed)
146-346-428-596-767-982-1078-5176-5443-8846

Kidney Support (1 minute each programed)
248-463-522-622-658-917-1865-3374-5162

In the end I do a General Detox

I will not post all those numbers but can another time too.


Then I do a General Viral and General Protozoan in addition to Lyme if I feel up to it.

Thats as far as I have gotten...

I also am looking at the master lists of frequenices on the CAlFL site and you can download
the condensed frequency list.

http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/CAFL.htm


So far I have not been able to do this more than two times a week.

Each of the frequnecies on the lyme and viral and protozona are 3 minutes each so it gets to be a long session if I add them in.

I read and was told that you should use at least 3 minutes on the frequencies that you are using to kill things off...

I am just learning.. Any comments and suggestions welcomed..

I could change the title of this started thread.. too.
 

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Posted by sapphire101 (Member # 6638) on :
 
Dan, thanks for the info. I know absolutely nothing about these machines other than what I've read here.

They do sound like a good alternative. I'm assuming they treat co's also. I think I've read that. Sorry, I'm sure it's been answered. I can only blame it on my lyme brain.

If you were getting a machine which one would you get? I want to get the most for my money and since I know nothing I don't want to make a mistake and wish I had gotten a better one.

The way I see it if there is a thread on rife the ones that don't want to read can just pass on by.

I don't see what the deal is since it has helped several here.

I appreciate all the information you share with your experience.

Sapphire
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
What I have been recommending is the EMX from Rifelabs. It will run any Lyme related frequency, and yet is a very basic, bare bones, easy to use plasma machine.

I think for most people starting out, this offers the needed features without breaking the bank.

The GB-4000 is more expensive and has lots of handy features. The contact mode is inconvenient to use for long term treatment, and that is the only gripe I have about it.

The BCX Ultra is a good machine also, but I have not used one, so I am not familiar with the features.

Dan
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I have really wanted to use the Rife machine for Detox but I have not heard of others doing it.

Here is a site that sells a machine just for that.!

http://www.detox-review.com/the-detox-box-rife-machine

I have found a great comparison document of kinds of rife and the actual machines out there too. But i can not find it.

Here is another one that is ok but not near as good. But it might help beginners understand the kinds of rife machines and get familiar with the "types" and "names". For me I was suprised about how much there is to learn about. Just learning about the types of machines was step one.

Then... starting to learn about the various models available for each type... I then became familiar with some of the lingo that semed so foreign

http://www.pulsedtech.com/products_comparison.html

If anyone else has any sites or documents to share on just learning about Rife machines and comparing kinds and products.. please post them.. it would sure be helpful to us newbies.


 

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Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
The emx Dan is talking about (correct me if I'm wrong) was from www.rifelabs.com and this is where I bought one of the first machines Dave made. I was referred to him by DT because I was in a hurry (just my personality).

I used the emem3d machine to get close to 95% better then added periods of antibiotics for 3-4 days at a time, once a month which got me back to 100%. Also salt/c for a couple weeks.

I also spoke to Dave numerous times throughout the time I was using it and he was a fantastic guy. Unfortunately he just passed away a few months ago but lucky for those interested his son is taking over the business. I am not affiliated with anyone!

When I got better and returned to work I also bought a coil machine from www.coilmachines.com. I rarely used that one until now and it is pretty strong(just bitten again).

I was bit on Nov.1 and used the following: I also have had breathing and sweat symptoms this time which the machines wipe right out - Babesia? who knows - I did not have those symptoms years ago.

...4 days of doxy - herxed

...Rifed with both machines 2 times a week - herxed each time

...added another 3 days of doxy - felt better but no herx

Been rifing 2 times a week since - herxed each time.

I'm trying to get to once a week.

Almost 6 weeks and I've used 7 days of meds.

I'm not recommending anyone follow my treatment -this is just my choice.

Detox is a definite.

I too will be interested to see how long this thread lasts.

All My Best,
Scott
 

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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
According to B. Rosner, you should only rife every 2 wks. That's how I do it.

The EMEM5A is a very good machine and it's "cheap."
 

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Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
I agree, every two weeks is a starting point but as you get further into treatment each person should/could individualize their own timeline.

Right now I do not feel like I have a high bacteria load but I do feel like I have an active infection and can feel the difference with closer treatments; plus I am able to deal with the herxing thanks to a steadfast detox plan - knock on wood. Time will tell.

3 years ago - the further I got into treatment the more time in between I took - just because I felt better.

Thanks for pointing that out!
 

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Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
 
Lymetoo, how much was your rife machine? I really may go this route soon.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
We are to the point that I can treat my wife every day, with no herx reaction.

It took a long time to get to that point, but it is good to be there.

I am trying to eliminate the last of it, but like every other step along the way, it is not fast.

Dan
 

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Posted by aiden424 (Member # 7633) on :
 
I have the DT EMEM5 too. I only rife every two weeks. It still makes me herx really hard. I usually have one really bad week after I rife and then a really good week.

Kathy
 

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Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
Here is the frequency thread from October:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/86510?

I use an EMEM3- it's an analog machine where you have to tune in each frequency. It's very annoying, but effective.
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Tickbattler, I cleared my mailbox!

To answer your questions: Yes, I kicked babs with my machine. I was on malarone and zith for 7 months and relapsed, then did mepron and zith for 6 months. Within days of stopping I relapsed again.

I started out using my machine (I have a DT EMEM5) twice a week for babs. The first few times I did 570, 20 and 27 for 2 minutes each. After like the 3rd time I increased each frequency by one minute until I worked my way up to 5 minutes each frequency. Then I heard that 76 was a possible babs frequency so I added that one to the mix. I would say it took me about 3 months to kick babs this way.

I know one guy who beat babs in 3 weeks but he treated every day...I didn't feel I could handle doing it every day so I went at a little slower pace. In the same breath babs herxes are mild and there's usually an immediate clearing of symptoms following a treatment, so you actually feel much better.

Hope that helps!
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Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Wow lymielauren,

That is wonderful to hear. I wish I could start now but am waiting for my machine.

Did you take Mepron or artemisinin or anything else for babs while you were rifing? If not, that would certainly indicate that rifing did it alone.

Thank again for such encouraging news!

tickbattler
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Wow springshowers, I am gone for a day and this thread has grown!

This is great. Thank you for starting the thread here, I think it is a good idea to post here rather than another site.

Keeping track of all the lyme sites to visit is getting a bit overwhelming.

When I read your post about using all the detox frequencies, I had to chuckle, b/c that is what I have been wrapping my head around wanting to try. But I am too scared.

I have only been rifing with the lyme & babs frequencies. And I realized that I have been going over board on the rife. (a problem with my type A personality)

Any frequencies I knew about where from either Bryan Rosner's book (IMO a must read for rifer's) and frequencies listed here on lymenet by other rifers.

Lymielauren28 & Maureen2174 - gave me the confidence to start rifing. I used to live in the midwest and when I found out I would be moving to Australia, I got nervous and purchased a rife machine as an insurance policy.

I was concerned that I wasn't going to be able to get the kind of tx in Australia as I was in the states. So I ordered it before moving, so I could pack it up with our house stuff, that way it could pass through customs.

When I first started I was doing 30 seconds on the following frequencies:
Lyme: 432, 380, 612, 650, 800, 4320, 4328, and then 10,000 (1 min).

I didn't feel any herx, so 5 days later I went up to 1 min on each frequency - no herx. 5 days later 1.30 min - no herx. 5 days later 2.00 min and finally a herx.

I have never been a big herx person. I mean, I can be herxing and still function, not a full capacity, but I can be somewhat productive.

I was thinking that the reason that I wasn't herxing was b/c I was on 10 months of abx and had made really great progress. I was thinking the lyme was hiding real good in my body and that is why there was little reaction to the rife sessions.

Around this time I started to treat Babs with abx. And I began to herx real bad and all the progress made on abx, was gone. So that got me thinking, I should treat for babs mostly and then lyme every 2 weeks.

Babs frequencies: 570,20,27,76,5776,753,432,1584,1583 all 2 mins. I do this every Monday & Thursday. Then every 2 weeks I do the lyme frequencies.

The night of and day after I rife, I sit in my FIR sauna to help detox.

I am going to New Zealand tomorrow and won't be able to rife for 1 week, so I will see how I feel when I get back. But I am thinking of cutting back on the time for each frequency.

I am also planning to looking into ordering the DNA frequenices that D Bergy has talked about. I will do that when I am back in town next week.
 

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Posted by jenny76 (Member # 18205) on :
 
Can anyone recommend a certain kind of Rife machine? Can it be done with abx or just herbs? I really want to do this!
 

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Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
I think there are five being mentioned in the thread.

emem and emx - rifelabs
DT Emem
Gb4000
coil machine
BCX Ultra

I can only speak on the two that I have - the emem3d from rifelabs and the coil machine. I like them both.

At the time I was out of work and could only choose one when I bought my first machine - I only had money for the emem3d plus it had a 60 day money back guarantee and I personally picked it up so I knew where it was being made. I would make the same choice again if that were the situation.

Actually, I may be looking at a third machine that gets to the higher frequencies but I have to wait until Christmas is over before I run that one by my wife!
 

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Posted by jenny76 (Member # 18205) on :
 

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Originally posted by secondtimearound:
I think there are five being mentioned in the thread.

emem and emx - rifelabs
DT Emem
Gb4000
coil machine
BCX Ultra

I can only speak on the two that I have - the emem3d from rifelabs and the coil machine. I like them both.

At the time I was out of work and could only choose one when I bought my first machine - I only had money for the emem3d plus it had a 60 day money back guarantee and I personally picked it up so I knew where it was being made. I would make the same choice again if that were the situation.

Actually, I may be looking at a third machine that gets to the higher frequencies but I have to wait until Christmas is over before I run that one by my wife!

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Originally posted by D Bergy:
Here is a table that compares many, but not all devices and their features. Someone from the Rife Forum is still working on the table, so it is not complete.

http://www.rifewiki.org/wiki/R.I.F.E_Machine_Table

Dan

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Originally posted by CD57:
what about RIFE for bartonella? I really need to get rid of that one, BLO whatever it is. Does it work?

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CD, do you know if our doc is on board with this?
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I would like to see sharing of Frequencies but it seems people are not sharing that info too much.

Do most of you use the CAFL list??

The Consolidated Annotated Frequency List (CAFL)


The latest versions of the CAFL and NCFL plus a few articles are also available in a paperback book called The Electroherbalism Frequency Lists..Click here or on the bookcover picture for details. Note that there is nothing in the book which is not also available on this website. The book includes the CAFL, the NCFL, the CAFL Cross Reference, an Introduction to Bioelectronic Therapy Devices, James Bare's "Understanding Our Frequencies Through Harmonics Associations", and "Electrical and Frequency Effects on Pathogens."

See the Introduction to the Frequency Lists to view notes and explanations of terms used in the CAFL and NCFL.

The CAFL is available in both PDF and text formats. Text is included below, or click on the link to view the PDF version.

CAFL v2007-05-16 (PDF)

Here are the programs for

Babesia - 76, 570, 1583, 1584, 432, 753, 5776

Bartonella_henslae (virus which causes cat scratch fever) - 364, 379, 645, 654, 786, 840, 842, 844, 846, 848, 850, 857, 967, 6878, 634, 696, 716, 1518


Lyme_and_Rocky_Mtn_Spotted_Fever_v - 7989, 1590, 239, 846, 422, 417, 1455, 39975, 40439, 884, 797, 758, 693, 673, 577, 4870, 4880, 578, 128, 579
Lyme_disease (also known as borreliosis; relapsing fever in humans and animals caused by parasitic spirochetes from ticks. Also use Babesia if necessary.) - 6870, 6863, 46866, 46851, 34170, 34112, 4200, 2050, 2016, 1520, 1455, 920, 884, 800, 797, 758, 673, 625, 615, 605, 432, 345, 344, 338, 254
Lyme_1 - 864, 495, 485, 490, 495, 500, 505, 625, 610, 615, 620, 625, 630, 690, 790, 785, 790, 795
Lyme_2 (use 625 for 10 min, 615 for 5 min) - 10000, 6870, 6863, 4200, 2720, 2050, 2016, 1520, 1455, 943, 920, 885, 884, 880, 864, 800, 797, 795, 790, 785, 758, 732, 727, 699, 690, 688, 673, 664, 673, 660, 644, 630, 625, 620, 615, 610, 605, 597, 534, 533, 525, 510, 505, 495, 485, 490, 500, 484, 432, 345, 344, 338, 306, 254, 230, 3
Lyme_3 - 27735768, 1380882.58, 68750.10, 3422.87
Lyme_4 (use 2016 and 625 for 10 min, others for 5 min) - 2050, 1520, 615, 2016, 625
Lyme_5 (use 920 for 10 min) - 920
Lyme_6 (borrelia afzellii) - 387500
Lyme_7 (borrelia burgdorferi) - 380000
Lyme_8 (borrelia garinii) - 382000
Lyme_hatchlings_eggs - 640, 8554, 203, 412, 414, 589, 667, 840, 1000, 1072, 1087, 1105
Lyme_JB - 27735768
Lyme_secondary (254*) - 254, 525, 597, 644, 885, 699
Lyme_tertiary - 306, 432, 484, 610, 625, 690, 864, 2016, 790
Lyme_TR_A (Program A, run every other day) - 6675, 4879, 2899, 2720, 2016, 1800, 1600, 1550, 1519, 1455, 1433, 885, 880, 863, 828, 802, 786, 776
Lyme_TR_B (Program B, run every other day) - 765, 758, 749, 726, 672, 604, 600, 581, 464, 451, 432, 345, 250, 144, 62


http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/CAFL.htm
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I am not familiar with Teasal Root, so I guess I do not know. I am hoping I can get to it where it is at. My wife does not tolerate oral treatments at all.

Joint pain seems to be caused for two Lyme related reasons, although other pathogens such as Mycoplasma Pneumonia can also cause it.

Active Spirochetes in the joints will make joints painful all of the time. When you kill these Spirochetes the joint pain will go temporarily higher. It can even go higher during treatment.

Once you have killed most of the active Spirochetes joint pain will go down, usually dramatically.

You can be symptoms free if you have little or no active Spirochetes and still be infected with Cyst form. It takes quite some time to be able to kill most of the active Spirochetes. The Herx can be so severe it limits treatment times to what you can handle.

It would be quite easy to kill most of them in one shot if you ran the frequencies long enough. I would not advise trying it, but treat as often as is allowed by your Herx reaction.

Another cause of joint pain comes when you use the DNA frequencies for the first few times. Now you are killing cysts, but at a slower rate, and the dead material causes more inflammation. This takes a while to go away, but it does go away as the joints are cleared out.

This is based on my experience over the last four years, and what I have figured out is happening based on repeatability of treatments and results

The 612 hz frequency is probably given at its lower Harmonic of 306 Hz. I found that 612 Hz worked better. This particular frequency was used by Coil Machine originator Doug McLean. He witnessed, under the microscope, Lyme Spirochetes spinning and being broken apart with this frequency.

Another one he saw working first hand was 432 hz.

I think these two frequencies are likely all that are needed to kill Spirochete form Lyme native to this country. Some of the other frequencies likely work also, but I do not know to what degree.

Now, all I use for Spirochetes is 612 Hz. I also run a Harmonics auto program on my GB-4000 that runs eight Harmonics of 612 at one time. Works real well, but I am not sure if it works any better than 612 Hz alone.

I have treated for Babesia, but I cannot say for certain if my wife had it or not. She had some symptoms, and reacted strongly to the frequencies.

I have used all of the CAFL frequencies and the DNA frequencies for Babesia. They both seem to knock it down fairly quickly. I never treated for months for Babs, but maybe a week, and the symptoms abated for a long time. Some times coming back months later.

I cannot identify any particular frequency that is effective, as I ran them all as an auto program on the GB-4000.

Viruses seem to be real easy to kill. I have never treated any virus longer than a week. Sometimes two treatments will eliminate a viral illness.

H-Pylori is easy to kill also. Six days of treatment will eliminate it from the Stomach.
676 Hz is usually the most effective frequency for this.

For a particular pathogen, I prefer to use Char Boehm's DNA frequencies. They have such a good track record with me, that it saves time and hunting for an effective frequency. Most of these will work better in the Mhz range.

I would suggest anyone with Lyme that is also having symptoms of autoimmune disease, treat for the XMRV retrovirus. It is not clear at this time that it causes autoimmune disease, but since we have a good method of disabling it with super low risk, why not use it? Char Boehm has the only frequencies available for this.

I have some scant personal evidence that it XMRV might be the cause of my autoimmune illness, but it is not bullet proof by any means.

I have not treated for many of the other co-infections, and I do not think frequencies can kill everything, so I cannot say how effective this works for them.

Strongyloides do not seem to respond to frequency treatment, even with a high powered Rife type device.

There are some circumstances where other methods are better for some particular pathogens.

Pads and such can be used for localized treatment, but also work for the whole body, especially if using an RF carrier frequency.

I have used a positive and negative contact on opposite sides of my stomach, when treating H-Pylori. What a relief it was when it was gone!

That was my first success on myself. What a revelation that was!

Dan
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dan.

Thanks so much for answering many of my questions. I so appreciate your sharing. Your experience in all these years really helps us who are starting out.

It is so valuable. Thank you thank you thank you.

So much.

I may start buying the DNA frequenies as you mentioned. It is hard to "find" the right ones sometimes as you mentioned.

One more question for now.

Have you treated for parasites or protozoan type infections. I am positive I have the blood type parasites such as fry bug and babesia too.

There are SOOOOOO many Protozoan Frequencies on so many lists and there are also Soooo many disasease that the lists refer you back to the parasite listings.

I was curious if you have been able to narrow down any numbers that work on those types>>>??

I do not know where to start??

Thanks again

I have had H Pylori too and I would like to treat to make sure I still do not have any issues and putting the contact pads on each side of the stomach sounds like a great idea.. probably so for the liver and other organs too>> ?

I really do like doing the Liver, Kidney and Lymph support that I use..

I can feel it when I do them and I can feel too my digestion system being stimulated which is very important too.

Just for that alone I think that rife is a good tool.
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Oh

Do you feel it would be better to Rife one time a week and let the herx calm down that takes about a week..

or do less time 2 x a week.

I am at the point where I know what i can so far handle 1 x a week but I do a good time period of treating on that day.

I was not sure if it would be more effective to do less time and do it two times in the week.. or try that ?? Or stick with what I am doing and work up from there??

Any feedback?
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I think more frequent treatments are going to be more effective than a long treatment farther apart.

The reason is the Lyme converts to Spirochete form whenever, and the sooner you can kill it, the less it can spread.

You also are not allowing a huge amount to gather in between, so the Herx should be more predictable.

Of course, you still have to go by what you can handle. That is really the only limitation you have.

As I mentioned, I do not think the CAFL frequencies kill anything but Spirochete form. So the best you can do is keep hitting it often and gradually reduce the infection by preventing it from spreading and reproducing.

If you are using the DNA frequencies, you may be able to use these more often. They do not produce the intense Herx as it does not kill them quickly. You may kill quite a bit the first few times, so be careful at first using DNA frequencies. You likely have never really affected cyst form before, and there can be a lot of it. Expect a couple weeks of bad joint pain when starting these.

I use 612 Hz and the first ten DNA frequencies each treatment to keep hammering it in every form.

In general work toward an every day treatment, but you will not be able to do this fast. Do not push it to where you are miserable.

Babesia is all I have treated for. I do not know the specific frequency that was effective, but I will see if I can find a reliable source that knows the answer to that question.

Dan
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
As far as treating babs is concerned, for myself, the most effective frequencies were 570, 20, 27 and 76. 570 is babesia-specific. I had very strong reactions to 20 and 27 every time I ran them. Were they killing babesia or some other unknown pathogen? I can't say but they definitely killed something.

Dan - have you ever run 1224? I ran that as an experiment a few months ago and had a heck of a reaction to it. I've been running it ever since and it never fails to give me a strong reaction.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
1224 Hz is part of the Lyme Harmonic Auto program I use. It is another Harmonic 0f 306 612 etc.

I have also used 2,506,752 Hz which is a much higher Harmonic of the same frequency. It works well also.

I have been converting some of these frequencies up to the Mhz range to see if they work better.

It is hard for me to tell now, since so little Lyme is left to get rid of.

Dan
 

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Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
I had tried a digital rife machine at an acquaintance's home. I had an immediate reaction.

I bought an EMEM3D machine (2 bulbs) 2-3 yrs. ago from Rife Labs.

I bought the analog because in Bryan's book he said that the frequency kind of migrated (I can't remember how he put it). He mentioned this might actually be better. Sorry, Lyme brain here, I read the book so long ago and now can't find it.

I never been one to get strong herx symptoms (accept with salt/C) and at the time didn't know that, so when I wasn't experiencing any obvious herx reactions I got nervous.

I did go to abx much later, because of being reinfected. So, for the mean time my sis is using the rife, because she can't afford treatment. She is kind of lax with treatment too, because she doesn't feel she is bad off. (She had treated with abx yrs. ago).

I plan on using it for maintenance when I go off the abx. I am real excited to hear you all talk about your experiences. Has anybody used it shortly after finishing abx treatment and noticed any herxing or further improvement?

liz
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
An analog machine has a natural slight drift in frequency as it is not digitally controlled.

This amounts to a small sweep as you are using it. Many Digital machines can do a sweep but they do not drift naturally.

Other than that aspect, they work the same.

Dan
 

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Posted by Dancer (Member # 11039) on :
 
Glad I found this thread. My LLMD, from observations of numerous patients, is convinced it works. He is not formally recommending it because there need to be studies as to any long-term effects (potential DNA damage perhaps.) I am quite interested though.

He particularly mentioned the GB4000 as that's where he's seen the significant results and he said it has some feature, I forget my notes, which has an amplification effect and that makes it much stronger than other models.

He also said the Doug coil is also effective, but less user friendly than GB4000, I don't know why. GB4000 costs about $2500.

I'm definitely going to learn more about this, so thanks for starting this thread!
 

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Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
GB4000 has a long positive track record and is portable.

Doug Coil does too but it is pretty big - the desk top one that I have from coilmachines.com is not hard to operate at all but is not very portable - it could be moved but it is heavy -

There are also a few other people making them now. Not sure how good their product is.

Emem's track record is very good too. I used the one from rifelabs three years ago got better, put it away and pulled it out 6 weeks ago and it works fine. I'm sure the DT model is just as reliable.
 

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Posted by BTTaylor (Member # 14342) on :
 
I have been using EMEM 3D from Rifelabs since May of 09. It is the first thing I have tried that makes me feel positive about getting better - because I have been feeling better. I was on antibiotics for 18 months along with lots of other things most doctors prescribe to rid yourself of lyme bacteria. Some people are afraid to try rifing because of the unknown but my feeling was that my quality of life was not good anyway so I was willing to try. I had been sick for 4 years before finding out I had lyme. Diagnosed with chronic fatigue.

I started rifing slowly - one minute. Now I am up to 14 minutes at each sitting every other week. Tried to rife more often in the beginning but I was herxing too much. After the holidays I may try rifing weekly. I rife for babesia, lyme and always end with the 10k for detox.

A little frightening starting out since I felt there wasn't much help out there but Rifelabs was very helpful as have these forums. Plus my doctor, who also has lyme, has been encouraging, but she is cautious about what she says of course. She is going to begin to rife herself with the Doug Coil. I mainly wanted the EMEM machine because it is portable. Plus it was one of the ones recommended in Rosner's book.

Yes, I feel my healing has gone to the next level with the Rife machine. But even with the machine it takes time and getting better is still going to be a slow slow process. You have to keep with it, keep good records of which frequencies you use, how you react, rifing time etc. I am just so glad to be off antibiotics and excited to have something to feel positive about again.

Glad this post was started. I hope people keep adding. Beth
 

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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
I use the CAFL list almost totally. Then I add other frequencies I hear about here and there online.
 

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Posted by JOLA (Member # 23498) on :
 
I just had my third session w/rifing. think maybe we did a bit too much since i've been extremely ill for two days now. we have a machine on order, we have to get something going or else? when my husband first heard of it he thought it was quack med. but now has seen that it really does something everytime we use it so he up and ordered one. when you're as sick as we are you have to try everything.
apr09tested pos. lyme/bart/babs/ehrl
currently on mepron/biaxin/ceftin/plaquenil/diflucan herbs....
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Someone started this thread about killing the Fry Bug which is a goal of mine

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/88900

I added in the 72 and 120 and it hit me with the biggest punch yet...

So I suggest trying these to to start with. I will post any more infor I find out if and when I do.. : )
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I would recommend the BCX ULtra Rife Machine to anyone who is looking to buy. Just from my own experience so far and not from comparing to other machines which I have not..
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dan

You mentioned there are XMRV Frequencies floating around. Can you share or point to where you have seen them?


Thanks
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
They are from Char Boehm. I was surprised that this virus had been genetically sequenced, but there it was.

http://www.dnafrequencies.com/store/index.pl?type=human


Dan
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Check out this Machine.. if you got the money..

http://www.braintuner.com/Tesla-Star/index.html
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
PS

Is this true.?

If you want a Plasma Tube Non Contact device you have to buy a frequency Generator separately anyway.

Such as.. the BCX Ultra that I bought .. I can now buy the BCX Ultra Vortex Modulator Gas Filled Tubes that are used for NON CONTACT treatments.

http://www.sanovivstore.com/bcx-ultra-vortex-modulator.html
 

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Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
 
Has anyone rifed at night and fell asleep and ran the machine for 8+ hrs accidentally?
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 


[ 07-04-2011, 06:22 PM: Message edited by: springshowers ]
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
I have not rifed during the past week due to being on vacation. Looking back I am glad that I had the opportunity to be away from my machine b/c I was able to see how great I felt!

Dare I say, that I almost felt normal? Still struggled with fatigue, but overall I was doing pretty good. I also noticed that the ringing in my right ear had stopped. I attributed to rifing for babs with it disappearing.

While away on my trip I did partake in alcohol, which I think brought back the ringing in my ear just two days ago-- but it was worth it!

With the break in rifing, I also realized that I had been rifing to aggressively, and I am going to cut back on the amount of frequencies and length of rifing for babs, bart and lyme.

I am going to start rifing again tonight after a 1 week break.

I am so glad to see this thread growing.
 

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Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
 
Wow, maybe this really is the route I need.
 

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Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
It is so nice to be able to read threads about alternative treatments without the nastiness that used to happen on this site.

It's no longer all about abx. Lymenet has become the big picture of healing with lyme & company.

Pam
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I agree Map.. !!! Very much so.


Asummers... Hey I had the same thing happen. I had to skip some time and I had better and better days!!


For me now .. Hitting the Parasite Frequencies seems to be the best bet. I think all my intensive IV abx and Treatments has handled the Lyme.!!!!

YEAH!!!

When I rife for Lyme I have no reaction. I have been trying it for a couple months....and various programs....

So the co infections that are Protozoan are left for me...

Also I do a Viral program every week for safe measures..

BY the way.. This is part of the transitional program from Envita. I sm sure you remember the other woman on here who was sent home with one after her six weeks of her son being treated.

I am getting more and more confident that this is what will get the last stuff that is not hit by the abx treatments...

My blood work was evaluated giving a direction for me too...

Reminder about 72 and 120 ... Nynah Silver writes that those two numbers kill 75 percent of parasites.

I am having reactions and side affects.... from the rifing that are typical of other treatments too. Its crazy..

Hey and do not forget to support your liver and lymps and kidneys etc.

If I skip a week of those Then I notice a strong reaction again the next week.. I think the toxin build up and the rifing helps detox too.. .

It is working for me...

: )
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Springshowers --

Yes, I remember a woman posting about her experience with Envita. I remember her eluding to her using a rife...interesting.

I am so excited that you are gaining confidence - that is great. I am hoping it will rub off on me soon 

A couple of questions for you:

So do you rife once or twice a week for liver, lymph, lyme?

Do you rife with the new numbers of 72 and 120 on a different day than the liver & lymph support?

I will be trying 72 & 120 around the 1st of the year. I just can't afford to be knocked out during the holidays.

I am also going to start rifing your liver & lymph support numbers today. I haven't been rifing for lyme, babs & bart this week b/c I have to attend my husbands holiday work functions.

I don't think it would look good at the dinner table if I was curled up under it experiencing a herx.

Thanks!
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
hi..

I have not had herxing (per say) from Liver Kidney Lymph and Detox cleansing Rifing.

Therefore.. I do rotate now ... by doing the
Parasite Program... plus those two numbers I posted.. Then I do the viral program and then go into the liver kidney lyph and overall cleansing detox program.. Ending with detox

That is 1 x a week. Mondays

Then the 2nd time . Thursdays I do the same as above but I take out parasites and put in Lyme.

I have not had near the response to lyme anymore but I do not want to quit doing it. yet..

This way I keep in viral and body support and rotate back and forth Parasite and Lyme.

Does that make sense.

My own soup.. of sorts.

This last week.. I did Parasite two times and I am not quite ready of that.. i tried it and I am going to back off again.

Esp since the holidays.. as well....

But my goal is to get to Two times a week with the parasite protocols which are so much harder for me than Lyme now..

Thats it.. I hvae not extended past those.

I can feel it in my liver and kidneys when i run those programs. for liver and kidneys. It aches and I feel movement in them and .. sometimes when I am doing the kidney one I have to pause it to go pee.

I am not going to push it ... I am tired of herxing... I want to find that balance of moving upward without huge herxes .. I would rather go up slow and steady at this point that hit it hard and have to recover and repeat.

Hope your doing good... I relate to you about needing to time this stuff around certain timing of things and family and holidays etc..

Keep In touch..
 

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Posted by David Miller (Member # 21583) on :
 
Does anyone know of any in-vitro rife research?

Can anyone point me to any published research on rife machines?

Thanks
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
I just got the approval to order DNA frequencies.

Is D Bergy the only one posting here who is using these frequencies?
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I have been having great results using Rife for Detox.!!

I feel asleep this morning after each program . well I dozed off... tiny naps..

I recommend anyone using rife to consider trying the organ supports..

My whole system gets stimulated and I can feel the movement... Esp in the digestive system.

That makes sense when your working on the organs and such. I am actually quite amazed.. by it.
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
springshowers,

i was logging on to post the same thing that you just did.

i rifed the numbers that you provided for the lymph, liver and kidney detox/support and i felt great afterwards.

i was wondering if it would be OK to do this 3 -4 times a week?
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
David..Sorry, I do not have such studies to point you to. Maybe someone else>??

Asummers..Good deal. Glad to hear it and that it not only helps me but works on someone else..

I have not gone to order the DNA frequencies yet but plan on it. Been busy and was going to wait a while yet. What do you mean you got the approval? Do you have to apply> and wait?

I do the detox and organ supports more often and just when I feel like I need to detox. So the answer from me is yes.

I am still at two times a week for killing... things : ) and then I will do the others at the same time and a couple extra times when I feel the need..

I am going to research some other supports for the organs and tr to match up numbers and see how those programs match up to some other lists too..

Let me know how the DNA frequencies go.. ok?
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
David -- I searched briefly the rife forum for your question, but did not see any info. You might want to google the topic of in-vitro rife.

Springshowers -- In my earlier post, I forgot to say Thank you for providing the frequencies to run for the detox. It is much appreciated.

The owner of the lists, asks you to sign legal documents. So you print them off and fill them out and then email them back. Then they send you an email that they received the documents and that you are now able to order the DNA frequencies.

I had no problem signing the documents, and felt that it was very reasonable to ask. It states that the money is used to fund her research. So if she can find more numbers for us to run on the rife machine, the better.

It will be a couple of weeks before I start to use them, so I will let you know.

In terms of detox, I am seriously considering coffee enemas. Yes, I said it! I am also getting to the end of my abx regimen, so I am considering doing rife & salt/C. But I will keep you posted.
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
I can't wait to try 120 and 72! I believe some unknown parasite is a problem for me as I still react to other parasite frequencies I use.

Also, can someone point me to the detox frequencies? I've been all thrugh this thread and can't find them.
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Oh yeah - Can someone also explain the DNA frequencies to me? How and why they work and why they're called DNA frequencies? What distinguishes them from all the other frequencies? Thanks!
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The DNA frequencies are relatively new, although they have been around for a few years.

These frequencies are solely mathematically calculated based on the genetic sequencing of the DNA/RNA of the specific pathogen. They are not well tested, and they are essentially being tested by users at this time.

They are designed to hopefully disrupt and negatively affect the genetic material of the pathogen you are using it for. Since they have not been used by lots of people yet, it is unknown how well they work.

The CAFL frequencies are pretty much frequencies that past experienced users have reported work for various conditions. They are purely anecdotal, and are not calculated in any way. They have been determined by trial and error. Why they work is not always clearly understood.

Some frequencies probably do not work at all. But some do work well for certain applications.

Dan
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
LL28
Here are the organ support numbers.

Liver Support (1 min each programed)
337-463-574-668-787-803-912-1862-3337-5546

Lymph Support (1 minute each programed)
146-346-428-596-767-982-1078-5176-5443-8846

Kidney Support (1 minute each programed)
248-463-522-622-658-917-1865-3374-5162

In the end I do a General Detox

I will not post all those numbers but can another time too.
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I can come back and add the others I use

I have three others that are Detox, cleaning, healing type.. that I end with ..

I usually do the
1. Kill or treating of infections
2. Liver kidney Lymph supports
3. Detox and cleanse.

In that order..

Rotating .. what I treat... but always ending in
Number 2 and then number 3...

I guess I owe my 3rd numbers after reading my past posts...

Anyone else have any detox or support frequencies they use that helps.. Please.. let us know.

I also am working on transitioning off abx.. and Am thinking of either Salt C or MMS and Rife.

Or just rife...

Even when your feeling like you are getting better I do have fear of remission and know there are still issues to either clear out or to keep at bay.

It seems unfair we have to work so hard to just try to gain or even keep health.
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Here is a set of Detox numbers that I was using.

DETOX Frequencies
20- 146- 333- 522- 555- 727- 787- 880- 10K, end with 465

I think I like yours better.

I have been re-reading parts of Bryan Rosners book over the past two days and I have made the big executive decision to go off abx.

As in, this week.

My LLMD has been treating me over the past year with a monotherapy approach to abx. I need to call him to see if I can arrange a telephone consultation with him to discuss my decision.

I feel that the abx has caused the bacteria to bury itself and hide in cyst form. I need to activate the lyme so I can hit it with the rife.
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I can understand your decision.

I ams SOOO Happy I have been doing Hard Core IV abx for the last few months. I have made a TON of progress.

I though feel that.. there are infections that go places abx can not get to...

So that is also why i am trying it.... So far it is obvious I am right.. in my own case and for me..


I still am not letting go of IV Abx but am doing them in pulsing manner like M W F and not every day anymore...

I can see how this is a good transition choice..

I think if I started RIFE off the bat without really knocking things down I would really have a rough rough time.. I am sure it would take a lot longer to get to the point I am on..

But it might be possible.. but I visualize at least a year.. or more.. if even..

So there is a place and time for everything.. Its tough to know those answers but I have no regrets on my recent choices what so ever..

I really am so glad that I did what I did by and getting an integrative intensive approach..

Rife.. is another part of the puzzle. I think too that Rife is a great tool to keep things in remission..

As I feel better and better I am going to keep doing it on a regular basis.. not as often but regularly ...

Thanks for the detox numbers...

Here are my

General Cleansing program Numbers
337 464 467 576 688 728 786 803 856 882 912 1554 1862 2128 3337 5762 6667

Programed for 3 minutes each..

I have read about 10000 and end with 465

I have put those into my machine and used them but not so sure why and have not noticed a difference..


Anyone know the concepts of ending at 465?


AS .. Try the detox numbers above too and let me know what you think..
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
465 Hz covers a huge amount of pathogens and conditions. It is one of those catch all treatments.

Dan
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Thanks for the number SS, I will try them tomorrow and let you know how it goes.

I did a bit of an experiment on Monday. I have been using your detox numbers and feeling really good.

Since I am glutton for punishment, after I ran your numbers, I ran 432 & 612 for just 1 min 45 seconds each. Right after I was done, the fatigue set in and I swore I could have taken a nap. Also right away I could feel the pain in my neck & shoulders. I could feel the herx all that night.

I was so excited. I never used to feel a herx right away. So I went to bed early, slept about 10 hours and later the next day, I feel great again.

So, it just confirmed for me that I was rifing too much before, and that sometimes, less is more.

I am glad you are finding success on IV abx, if I was still living in the States I think I would have tried that as well. I was on abx for 1 yr and I feel that I was stuck at 85% for a while.

Then when we moved, I felt really alone in terms of finding a doctor over here to treat aggressively with abx. I agree that I wouldn't have been able to do rife without lowering the bacterial load first.

Thanks D Bergy for the explaination for the 465 number.
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Its funny.. Your on here at this time and its when i am about to go to bed I check in.. around 11pm or midnight....

I sure would love to go to Australia. I have a life long friend who is from there and she and her husband go quite often and I have been invited.> Just too sick..

But.... I will go someday..

: )

Do you like it there?

Anyway. Great about the Detox numbers working for you. They have worked for me too and keep on working. Are you doing it 3 times a week?

How funny that you did that and just added 432 and 612 at the end.

I am not going to try that... but I like to kill first and then cleanse?? LOL

Why did you choose to run those at the end? Just curious. Maybe it would be good to .. clear out to make room for the next kill LOL.

Funny Huh?

I still respond .. as far as herxing.. to parasite numbers..

I have a general parasite program and then the two other numbers I posted..

For now those are giving me a strong enough reaction.

It is funny how from session to session and week to week how I respond can be different. IN herx and in how i feel the frequencies.

What machine are you using again? I guess I could read up... Is it contact? If so .. do you use salt water on your plates and hand holds?

I have ray tubes. Those are my favorites but I run them along with both contacts and read that all 3 can be very benefitial. So I do it.

The joint pain is new for me and I assume its those cysts.

I am going to study my Neynah Sylver book more and I want to really read what she says about cyst forms and such.

I have learned a lot from D Bergy but I still feel I do not have a good grasp on it..

Does anyone know about or use any of the Rife that is used along with Foot bath ? It is being recommended to me.... but. I think i have enough going on..
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Check this out

Rife killing parasite on video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSYcN5A1qJE&feature=PlayList&p=5FFCFAD1DA0ECF1C&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=6
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I am beginning to think that the DNA Lyme frequencies damage cyst form Lyme when in the soft tissues, more than in the joints themselves.

I am guessing that the cartilage and bone somewhat protects the bacteria from the frequencies, reducing a direct killing effect.

What I am seeing is that even though the frequencies are not as effective in these joint areas, they do seem to threaten the bacteria enough that they tend to convert to Spirochete form shortly after treatment. Within one weeks time. Sometimes the next day, but not usually.

I will get these surges in Spirochetes, within a week of no treatment. In another words there is no real remission period any more, longer than a week. One week of not treating and there will be this surge in Spirochetes. She starts feeling joint pain, I run 612 Hz and this kills off the Spirochetes. She can feel this frequency quite easily when there is active Lyme, and does not feel it when there is no active Lyme.

Active Lyme = Joint pain

No active Lyme = No joint pain. (This does not apply when starting DNA frequencies. There is a temporary surge in joint pain as the easier cysts are eliminated in the beginning.)

Active Lyme = feeling 612 Hz frequency

No active Lyme = not feeling 612 hz.

From what I can tell, based on symptoms, is that there is a direct slower killing effect from the DNA frequencies in easy to reach places such as soft tissue.

A secondary effect of causing the cysts form to convert to Spirochete form faster than it normally would.

Of course, this is based solely on observation, and I do not have the means to 100% verify this process, but I think it is accurate enough for our purposes.

Dan
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dan that is very interesting indeed..

Can i ask how long you have been trying to get at these last parts of the disease on your wife?

Meaning you feel you got all you could and now are chasing the cysts and are on this one week cycle.

Do you see a decrease in the load as you move along week to week? Meaning I wonder if you keep on hitting it each week that they come out as Spirochetes that the cyst load will decrease?

Or do they somehow have the ability to remain the same or even multiply and grow in numbers?

This end spot sure seems key and so important in our recovery...

Does your wife have other symptoms besdies joint pain when the lyme is active again? Or is it saying localized to joints?


Thanks for all your input and time.. Your feedback is so very valuable to us all.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
They bacteria is not increasing, that much I can tell. The cyst load is down from when we started using the DNA frequencies in June.

There are no more hits in the soft tissue as there was to begin with. So what I can determine is that overall there is less Lyme than six months ago.

Whether we are still further reducing the load down from one month ago, I cannot say for sure.

She has no Herx reaction even when Spirochetes occur and are killed. But that has been the case for a while now.

I was treating every day, but kind of gave it a rest as we had many Holiday functions going on.

Now, I am kind of interested in seeing if this cycle of less than a week conversion stays the same. Previously she could go two or three weeks without symptoms, although it varies. Six Weeks was the record, after a high fever.

One week is quite a bit shorter than normal. Until I can routinely get no reaction to the DNA frequencies or 612 Hz, and no conversion, I will not really know if the level of bacteria is getting lower, or just staying the same. There is too little to gauge it one way or another.

I will need more time, and I am getting impatient.

She does not have any other symptoms, other than the joint pain when the Spirochetes come out. Possibly a slight amount of ankle pain, with or without the Spirochetes.

Her initial invasion was heavy in the ankles, and it seems to be the place of choice for the Lyme.

If the ankles are cleared out completely, I doubt there would be any left any where else.

Dan
 

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Posted by mati (Member # 15233) on :
 
I am really keem to start Rifing but I am scared because I don't think that my body can cope with the mercury that will be released when I start. At the moment I am trying to heal leaky gut and Hashimoto's and to do this have excluded gluten and dairy, juicing vegetables and taking digestive enzymes.


I am wondering how I will know when I can start Rifing, has anyone else got mercury poisoning amd at what point did they start to Rife? Thanks.
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Hey SS --

I was without internet access so I am playing catch up.

I really like living in Australia. I think the plan is to be here for 4 yrs. So maybe we will meet over here one day

I am meeting some other Aussie Lymies on boxing Day (the day after Christmas). We are meeting for support and to learn more about the Salt/C protocol. I think some of them are familiar with rife.

I didn't mean to add 432 & 612 at the end, it was kinda an impulse decision. Like you said, I would rather do them 1st, then mop up with the detox protocol. And that is what I will be doing from now on.

I rifed the other day for Babs, just 570, 20 & 27. 1.45 mins each number, and I felt it right away again. Neck pain and fatigue. Then used the liver/lymph/kidney protocol.

I know this sounds foolish, but I am feeling that I am finally getting good at listening to my body and its reaction to lyme & the die-off/herx.

I agree it is weird how week to week we have different reactions to the different numbers.

As soon as New Years is over, I am going to try your parasite frequenices. I just didn't want to chance taking the plunge and be out for the count for the holidays.

I have a DT EMEM5a machine, no contact for me. There is someone who is selling a GB4000 over here. I was thinking about buying it. But I need to do more research.

I am also going to look into buying the Sylver book you mentioned.

Well it is Christmas Eve for me so I would like to wish anyone who is reading this a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Sounds good..

I like checking in on what your saying and doing and it seems we are kinda doing the same things on the same time frame etc.

I am thinking about getting the add on plasma attachment that is a stand alone for my rife. Then I have the choice of doing no contact or contact. I also have the plasma ray tubes and led and other attachments. I have a lot of choices.. I like that and want to start using more options and experimenting with them.

I have used the LED lights and put them on my face : ) Heard the help with skin too and my skin has felt like it has stopped regenerating.. I also read that LED treatments can help with the blurry vision problem we all seem to struggle with.. I have only done it two times so I can not report..

Like i wrote on another thread.. Rife takes lots of patience and time.. but it feels worth it so far.

Thats great that your feeling more in touch with your body.> Go with it. Just saying that means you are!. its great.

I am going to try those babs numbers too at one point.. I have not done much in trying to isolate things like babesia bartonella etc.. There is a big learning curve in just using the machine and listening to our bodies.. And in time I am sure I will learn to fine tune more.

Did you run those DNA frequencies you got? ...

MERRY CHRISTMAS to you too... and Happy New Year.
 

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Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I did my first treatment today on my GB-4000, I did 7 Candida frx @ 1 min ea.

(Candida is my worst problem right now i think).

Tomorrow i'll try some more Candida frx.

There are so many Candida frx. How will i be able to sort out the effective from the ineffective? I don't have time to run each one separately, one per day!

Has anyone cured Toenail fungus this way??

----Polly Polygonum or how about
----Nilufar Knotweed
 

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Posted by Lauralyme (Member # 15021) on :
 
Had my first rife session. I did two minutes at 484 but didn't get a herx

What do you experienced rifers advise me to do on the next rife session with regards to frequency and duration?

[ 12-27-2009, 05:00 AM: Message edited by: Lauralyme ]
 

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Posted by unsure445 (Member # 15962) on :
 
Is Rife recommended by your LLMD's?

This sounds too good to be true that I am beginning to feel like a fool not going this route.

Is there a good website with information and some decent models available?

Thanks!
 

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Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
Lauralyme,

Since you didn't feel anything on that one freq, I (what I would do) would try others until I found the ones that work. There are plenty of numbers to choose from listed here. My favorites are:

21,27,306,432,612,800,918,4200

Unsure,

All of my doctors were aware of me using it but they could not and did not recommend it. The truth in my case the last time I was sick is that I slowly stopped seeing them because I just got better and better.

This time I was bitten again 8 weeks ago and did a total of 7 days antibiotics pulsed at 3 days and then 4 days so far with rife as my main treatment again. I also added in 4 days of Buhner's herbs which made me herx too. I think, well at least my experience has been that I needed to do a number of things to get better with rife as my main thing.

It's a personal decision that I made and this is just my experience but it seems to be the best choice I ever made.

All My Best,
Scott
 

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Posted by Lauralyme (Member # 15021) on :
 
Scott many thanks

How long should the treatment be? I am still on antibiotics but have finally started feeling really well with just a handful of minor symptoms. I've just returned to work so I am apprehensive to experience a massive herx from too long of a rife treatment. Would two minutes be too long for the first treatment?
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
612 Hz for one minute or less is plenty to start out with.

Since you are still on antibiotics, it is unlikely you will have much effect, as most frequencies only hit Spirochete form. The antibiotics tend to either kill all of the Spirochete form themselves, and/or prevent them from converting into Spirochete form.

That does not necessarily mean you are not killing any Lyme with the frequencies, but you are not killing as much as would normally occur using no antibiotics. That said, between the antibiotics and the frequencies, you are not leaving the Lyme much chance to progress.

To hit cyst form you will need to use the DNA frequencies.

Someone asked me about treating H-Pylori, so I will post here for everyone's benefit.

I had H-Pylori in the Stomach and after much experimentation, and failures, I did find an effective method of killing it.

I used the GB-4000 with one positive contact on one side of my Stomach, and the negative on the other side. I ran the single frequency of 676 Hz for five minutes, and ran a sweep for five minutes from 675 hz to 677 Hz to account for any mutation.

You do have to run this for at least five days in a row, or it will come back. I ran it for six days. I had run it for one session earlier and the burning Stomach pain would go away for about 36 hours, but then would come back.

You should get the same results with a plasma machine, but put it right next to your body for maximum effect.

There are some other strains of H-pylori, but 676 Hz addresses the most common strain. You will notice that even the CAFL notes that this frequency is one of the most effective. I can confirm that it is very effective.

Dan
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
My suggestion would be not to limit yourself to just treating lyme. IF you know your co infections treat those too.

If not. still treat them.

I am finding that the protozoans are holding on and I herx the most when treating them.

Also. instead of one number or frequency there are also programs listed on the CAFL site. Where you run a string of numbers and therefore you chance of hitting on something is higher in my opinion.

But then again.. later one you may want to save time and try to narrow down which numbers are you responding to.

At first going one number at a time is hard as there are soooo many to try..
 

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Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
LLyme - You are welcome

From my experience I had to stop all antibiotics so I really do not know how to treat while on them.

From reading and talking to others that were using the machines most were off meds but some were not - you could use the machine to run detox and yeast treatments too but it all needs to be adjusted to what you are feeling and comfortable with.

The best thing for me this last 8 weeks and generally with rife is that you can time your treatments to deal with the herxes as soon as you establish a pattern.

Two minutes using a couple freqs should not be a problem - just try it when you are expecting a day off.

Four years ago I would rife and not herx until 3-4 days after (probably because my immune system was a wreck) so I thought this time would be the same - nope, I herxed the very next day and needed 2-3 days to detox but as soon as I figured it out I set my treatments up around my work schedule.

For me Wed. nights were good because Thursday and Fridays I had no meetings and Saturdays were good too because I would feel better by Monday when I had meetings. Of course there were other things like the kids games and stuff that I had to make so I rifed around them too.

It offers plenty of options so go slow and see how you respond. Things may be different if/when you stop the meds but you will, by then have a better understanding of how your body reacts.

By the way - I'm glad you are feeling well!!!

All My Best,
Scott
 

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Posted by Lauralyme (Member # 15021) on :
 
Thanks so much all of you......the information is so helpful
 

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Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
I began rifing right after stopping IV rocephin. Then I did oral ceftin and zithromax while rifing for a year. Then I dropped the zith, then a few months later I dropped the ceftin, but I kept rifing.

Now I rife 1 time per week or every two weeks if I get lazy. I notice increasing joint pain if I go more than a week or so without, so I know I still have bugs, BUT I am so, so, so much better.

I rife for lyme and mulitple co's. I do the lyme frequencies every time and certain co's on certain weeks. I also do a few detox frequencies but rely more on other detox measures like supplements, rest, acupuncture, etc.

Anyway, just wanted to report that I did overlap abx w/ rife and was able to wean off of abx without a significant relapse. I've now been off abx since 8/18/09.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
My wife had some discomfort in the finger joints and joints in the toes, with the treatment two days ago using the DNA frequencies. No symptoms other than those during treatment.

We have slacked off during the holidays, and it seems that the Lyme has gained a small amount of ground in that short period of time.

She has not had pain in the fingers for a few weeks, but now it was back again. It is hard to say for sure, but I think it multiplied a bit during the break.

The 612 Hz bothered her a little, but not much. Not much Spirochete form, judging by her minimal reaction.

That was in one weeks time without treatment. It makes me wonder how fast it can actually reproduce?

Tonight, she is not feeling any frequency, DNA or 612 Hz. It does not make a lot of sense to me, as she certainly was not cured with the treatment two days ago. I think in the future, I am not going to get much feed back from her, as the Lyme is so minimal.

Now I will have to come to some kind of time frame to keep treating, with no symptoms in general, or reactions from treatment. I need to kill the rest of the Lyme flying blind.

I also ran DNA based XMRV frequencies on my oldest son, as he may have my autoimmune problem. They did not have much, if any affect while running them.

The strange effect was my wife felt the second frequency in the area she developed Shingles. She was in the same room, but not close to the machine. I got that look, you know the one, and she asked what I was running on the machine.

The XMRV frequencies likely caused the original outbreak, and it seems that at least one XMRV frequency affects Herpes Zoster virus also. Not destroying it, but causing it to activate sometimes.

It also tells me that we did not destroy all of the Herpes Zoster Virus, but the CAFL frequencies did put it into remission.

You get some strange experiences after using frequency treatments for a few years. Luckily, most of them are positive, but my wife did not like the Shingles episode.

Dan
 

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Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
 
I can picture this mad scientist Dan pressing buttons and people screaming in the house. YES, THAT'S THE ONE. TURN IT OFF HONEY.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
It is not quite that dramatic, but quite often I get, "what frequency is that!" and a nasty look.

That means that is the one I was looking for. The one that has an effect.

She has never refused a treatment. She knows it has worked without side effects, except for the Shingles episode, unlike all of the other methods we have tried.

She refused Spiro, because it made her mouth break out in thrush.

She refused Samento and Cumanda, although they worked well for a while, but Stomach problems eventually made it impossible to keep using.

MMS worked real well, but Stomach problems stopped that also.

That did not leave too many other options. She is running the machine herself tonight. She can't blame me this time.

Dan
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The wife had sore ankles last night, apparently from the previous nights treatment. We focused treatment on the ankles, since this seems to be the single biggest reservoir of Lyme.

Ran 612 Hz for 10 minutes, no reaction.

Ran all of the DNA frequencies for five minutes. Some slight reactions in various places, but very slight.

She feels fine today.

Dan
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
For those interested in current research in frequency treatments download the PDF at the following site and take a look at page three.

http://jdc.jefferson.edu/jss/vol4/iss2/1/

Dan
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dan.. Your machine is Contact or no?

Have you used Sticky Pads or Wet Pads on her ankles to get a more direct treatment?
 

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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
To whom it may concern:

Please do NOT give out DT's phone number to those you DO NOT KNOW or do not have reason to TRUST.

If they are brand new to the board, please be careful!!!!!
 

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Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Dan,

I just read that article...WOW! That is very encouraging...I don't see how people can call rife and/or frequency treatments quackery when Jefferson Hospital is looking at it.

I know you mentioned in a separate thread that you didn't think rife would be accepted by mainstream medicine in our lifetimes...do you still think that after seeing this article?!

Thanks,

tickbattler
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I have both a contact machine and plasma.

I use both, but use the plasma machine more often, as it can be used hands free.

The contact method is run directly through the feet, but it does not seem to be any more effective than using the plasma machine near the feet.

I really cannot tell if one works better than the other. They seem to be about the same.

Dan
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I think regardless of the outcome, it will be buried, just as it was last time. No one but the patient can benefit, and no one really gives a hoot about the patient, at least not in official channels.

DCA is an equally promising treatment method, but do to the lack of money, it is slowly slipping into obscurity.

Low Dose Naltrexone same situation.

There are dozens of these examples.

Dan
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Dense moment here..

where is page three.. how do you get to it??

Thanks.. about to buy a rife and all the info I can give my dh will be helpful.

Download.. got it:

http://jdc.jefferson.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1079&context=jss
 

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Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Dan,
Sorry - what is DCA?
Thanks,
tickbattler
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dan..
What I was asking is if you have tried contact method that is the add on features. Not necessarily the Feet plates.

You can use various combos on my machine. Including the Using Sticky Pads and Wet pads where you put them on each side of a joint or on your stomach and back so that the frequencies move more direct through the organs or liver etc...

My machine can run the Ray tubs with any of the other features including LEDS and Sticky pads and Wet pad and Foot Plats and Hand cylinders..

I am going to try some of those combinations at some point...

Output Type:
Select from 7 possible combinations
* Electrodes only
* Ray Tubes only
* LED Wand only
* Auxiliary only
* Electrodes & Ray Tubes simultaneously
* Electrodes & LED Wand simultaneously
* Electrodes & Auxiliary simultaneously

I have read and was told that will direct the frequencies in a more direct way to that location you want to work on....

So well> I think it makes sense that it would be more effective maybe? I am trying to research the various methods.....
I also can buy an additional tabletop plasma for hands free method and may one day get that if I feel this will be a large part of my ongoing maintenance.

Some information about my machine.. (not trying to promote)!

Can read more here
http://healingtools.tripod.com/BCX_ULTRA.html

Our Ray Tubes use only the most durable Quartz Glass, which are evacuated of Air, Fire-Quenched, and filled with a proprietary mixture of 5 different Inert Gases known as Noble Gases (Argon, Neon, Krypton, Xenon, Helium). The difference in effectiveness between Stainless-Steel Hand and Foot Electrodes is PROFOUND due to the DEEPLY penetrating nature of the R.F. (radio frequency) Energies. We include 4 kinds of Applicators/Electrodes (foot plates, hand-held rods, glass tubes and Red LED Wand) in order to offer our customers the GREATEST levels of choice.
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
PS.. Here are 4 lyme frequency programs that were posted as the top successful for lyme.

Just as a suggestion. I have no experience with them...

Lyme Frequencies (these have been helpful to other researchers)

290,306,345,432

Master frequency,484,610,742, 790
810,864,930,1064,1440,2112,4200

Doug's Frequencies for Lyme 20,432,727,787,800,880,4200,4320,10K,305,306,600,611,612,625,920

John Garvey's Frequencies for Lyme
797,605,673,1455
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I have not run any of the machines in contact and radiant mode at the same time. I probably could rig it up that way, with a little thought.

I have not localized one area with a positive and a negative contact opposite of an isolated spot either. Since it is in all of the body, I don't think I would gain much that way.

I have no other accessories, but I may buy a whole new system since several people in my family would like to use the ones I have now. I also would like a more flexible and powerful system.

We will see how the money looks after the holidays.

Dan
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
DCA information:

http://www.dca.med.ualberta.ca/Home/index.cfm

http://www.thedcasite.com/


Dan
 

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Posted by f13girl (Member # 23844) on :
 
Has anyone had success with neuro lyme symptoms and rife? i.e muscle jerking, optic neuritis/optic, brain fog, coordination,numbness, twitching, insomnia etc
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
I found a good deal on a used Perl. Anyone have thoughts, experiences to share?

I am confused regarding the Perl protocol. 5 days on and two days off, up to almost 2 hours.. how can a machine that strong be used like that?
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
The DNA frequencies.. how high do they go? Thank you..
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
You can convert the DNA freqencies to any range you want, but personally, I would not go higher than the MHz range. They seem to work well in that range, and going higher is entering unknown territory for treatment.

The PERL is a great machine, but I am not familier with the protocol that you are referring to. Is it for Lyme specifically?

I treat my wife everyday for several days in a row. While the average Lyme person cannot do that without big problems, it can be done over time, once Lyme is minimal.

You would have to work up to it. I would not try it right off the bat.

When buying a used machine, make sure you can test it using an ocilloscope. Or run it at a super low frequency like two Hertz, and you should be able to see the tube pulse.

Dan
 

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Posted by Lauralyme (Member # 15021) on :
 
I am experiencing my first rife herx
I did:
612- one min
570- one min
864- one min

Once I settle down should I repeat the exact treatment? Or decrease or increase?

Happy New Year Everyone!
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Laura.. you now have a gauge of your response. You will have to decide taking into account how long your herx lasts and how severe it was.

If it is bearable and doable I would continue doing it the same way and same time frames until you feel it less

After that you have room to add more time or numbers or programs etc

Sadly there is no real instructions and you have to feel it out and figure out what works for you..

What made you choose those three numbers?

I am reading more of the Nyhah Sylver book and it am learning more as I go.

Adding in some detox would and should help your herxes and your body keep on flowing well..
 

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Posted by Sheryl777 (Member # 17804) on :
 
Do the DNA frequencies refer to human DNA or spirochete DNA? What do these frequencies do to the DNA - help or destroy?

Sheryl
 

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Posted by Lauralyme (Member # 15021) on :
 
Thanks Spring
I chose 612 and 570 from this thread and 864 was chosen by doubling 432. Not sure exactly which frequency was effective but the herx started with babs symptoms...
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Lyme DNA. It is thought that the frequencies disrupt the DNA of the pathogen you are tareting. These are rather new, and it is not clear how they actually affect the DNA of the pathogen.

From what I can tell, they do kill Lyme cysts, or damage them enough so that they will die over time. I did not have a problem with ridding it from soft tissues, but the joints are harder. I have not yet eliminated it from the joints completely.

That is all based on reactions, or lack of them, to the treatments themselves, and the symptoms, or lack of them, after treatment.

Dan
 

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Posted by NellieK (Member # 23554) on :
 
Wanted to post on here as well as a separate thread so it will be seen:

Can anyone recommend a particular Rife machine? I'd really like to try it. Here's software that claims to turn your computer (along with an amp) into a Rife machine:

http://www.noriftrife.com/default.asp?PARTNER=yahoo

Is this legit? Or would you recommend getting a separate machine?
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Lauralyme -- I would suggest keeping a rifing journal/log where you write down the date, which frequencies u use, the length of time on each frequency and your herx reaction. That way you can look at patterns and keep track of the different frequenices.

After a while your three freuencies that you mentioned above might not cause a reaction, but you might was to revisit the frequencies again as time goes on.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I would stick with the proven machines, unless you have the ability to measure output, such as using an oscilloscope.

It may be legit, but I do not know anyone that has actually tested it. There are scammers in this field, but sometimes it is not easy to spot them.

My journals of treatment have been very useful. I refer to them once in a while, as my memory is not great.

I have one on the Rife Forum, I am always adding to.

Dan
 

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Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
Someone told me that when they 1st tried a Rife machine that it was with a group of friends. They each took a turn on the machine. The next day they all herxed terribly, she felt that everyone was effected by each turn.

I, also, read of a woman who says that her daughter was in another room and was effected.

The Jefferson article was very exciting! Thanks for the link.

I kind of feel bad, but I asked my sis for my Rife machine back. Right now, I am more interested in detoxing with it, but of course will treat the Lyme, also.

liz
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
I'm likely going to start Rife therapy very shortly. I've held off for many years but I've thoroughly demonstrated that 7 years of antibiotics and an enormous array of other therapies have failed in my specific case.

I've run testing and come back positive (after 7 years.......of consistent treatment).

It should be extremely useful to monitor my results via blood work and excruciating documentation. I should be able to document it using video as well. I'm thinking of creating graphs. I could use them documenting symptoms and blood work numbers. It will be fantastic to see visual graphing.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
That would be an excellent way to track progress, or lack of it. It may help reveal some aspects of the treatment we are not currently aware of.

Good luck

Dan
 

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Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Metallic,

I am so excited that you are going to start rife therapy! Seems like it is certainly worth it at this point. I will be interested to hear your progress. What did your LLMD say about your plan?

I am still waiting to get a machine but plan to start it soon as well.

tickbattler
 

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Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
I want to express my appreciation for this thread. Rife is my current treatment and it was not addressed on lymenet in a significant way for a time.

I overdid it over the holiday- ate sugar, drank alcohol and worked hard at packing for a move. Then I had major fatigue and sound sensitivity. It made me wonder, what is the mechanism for sound sensitivity? Is it inflamation?

In any case, I rifed yesterday and tried to eat and drink anti-inflamatory foods. I feel a bit better today.

During my rife session, I had pain in my finger joints on the erlichia frequencies. Does erlichia hid in the joints like lyme?
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
I believe most of the symptoms are a result of the immune system responding to the infection. This includes visual, auditory, tactile and a variety of other symptoms.
 

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Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
catskill, interesting question on finger joints. I've had the finger pain since early on. I will run erlichia freqs and see what happens.

I've never focused on erlichia with rife.

Pam
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Glad for this thread that has stayed nice and calm...

I was wondering if anyone has tried to add in toxoplasmosis or malaria freqencies.

What was your experience.?

BLUE>. How do you plan to start? Meaning.. do you have some sort of plan yet?

LEt us know
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
Spring, I don't have a concrete plan yet. I'm formulating one. I have a vague idea though.

I posted this in another thread about Rife. I want to post it so people understand the angle I'm coming from. I want people to know the mental processes of what has brought me to Rife.

The only reason I'm attempting Rife is after having evaluated a friend of mine after his 2 years of therapy. In 2006 he bought a used EMEM23D for about 500 dollars, just like mine. He began keeping a diary. The diary was primitive and simply included the frequencies he used during each session, how long the sessions were and the time frame between treatments, his symptoms, and a percentage of what he felt his function was i.e. 50%, 60% etc. I told him I would purchase a machine of my own from someone he didn't know if the results he had in 2 years were significant. I made it clear I would do this even though the report would be subjective.

He had been on antibiotics of various combinations for 3 years (From the start of 2002 thru the end of 2004). Unfortunately he got stuck at about 40-50% (He waxed and waned there, just like I wax and wane between 35-45%). He stopped treatment for a year in order to prepare for treatment. He fell extremely ill inbetween since he wasn't on any medications or any other supplements except for eating a "regular" diet, and taking plant sterols (Cholestapure) which is what his LLMD recommended he use while on Rife. He did gradually start exercising after a year of therapy, such as walking.

I told him I didn't believe Rife was an appropriate therapy for me to even consider at that present time and he didn't try to persuade me before or during his own process.

Once he was ready, he did his thing. When he completed the 2 year protocol he told me he was very confident in recommending the treatment to me given our cases were similar. He recommended it only after I requested his opinion. I told him "You have no proof it works though. Just because you're feeling better doesn't mean anything" His retort was, I'm 95% functional Mike, I feel great. I have a job, and I'm in a long term relationship." That's all he had to say. This kid was down to earth and I knew him well enough to trust his judgment since he and I worked together on the Myspace Lyme group that he founded. He had built boats with his father and was an avid civil war and Revolutionary Gun builder/collector before he fell ill. He kept carving the guns during his healing process he told me.

This kid and I talked constantly prior to his starting treatment -- 2 years actually. Once he began treatment however I tried intentionally to not talk to him very much so as not to be affected. In-fact, the 2 years passed by extremely quickly as a result. We spoke perhaps 3-5 times in the two year period.

So that was how I came to consider Rife a viable option. I bought my machine used from a young guy who felt he'd bought the machine prematurely, given he hadn't used antibiotics or herbal therapies. He felt his load was excessively high and thus even minor treatments with the Rife caused debilitating herxheimer reactions. Whether he was actually experiencing herxheimer reactions is unknown to me, but I trusted his judgment and he didn't try to sell me on it. He simply answered my questions. I asked for pictures and that was the end of it.

As anyone who knows me can imagine, I was extremely skeptical, but over time (In 2008), I began researching the results of other patients who performed a similar treatment pattern with the same machine that my friend had used. The reports were overwhelming, especially when I began talking to other people who I trusted too. I didn't follow their cases for "years" but I knew that for me personally, I could tolerate and trust their judgment as honest and worthy of consideration. The "average" consensus of the patients I spoke with was simple. They all made it very clear that it probably would not cure me.

When I spoke to people, I focused exclusively on those who "didn't" use supplements and who went off antibiotics before starting therapy and who remained disabled before therapy began (I defined disabled as unable to work).

I did a variety of research on Rife and felt the evidence was thin, but frequencies were being used in a variety of settings that demonstrated that it was possible that the claims people made might be reproduced. I felt the controversy was absurd surrounding Rife, but all I had to do was compare it to the current controversy of Lyme and long term antibiotics (which also had no objective proof via studies). It was obvious to me that while there was no proof and that hundreds of thousands of physicians around the world denied Lyme was Chronic, that it obviously was, since I kept coming up positive inspite of long term antibiotics. I felt better using antibiotics but better didn't mean "well." It meant I was no longer dying from the disease and was stabilized at 35% on most days.

So, will it work? I really have no idea but I've spent thousands of dollars in my own money as well as a million plus dollars over 20-25 years of my insurance companies' money) and wasn't healthy. Earlier in the thread I spoke about what I knew. I don't know if regular Rife machines sold perform as I described earlier but I do know that frequencies do cause damage to various cells and organisms if enough energy is supplied.

600 dollars (For the EMEM23D) and a commitment of 2 years of therapy seems harmless to me to at least try since nothing else has worked. I see Dr. H in New York. His PA is the one I really like working with and so I asked her (as well as his) opinion on the therapy. They said the results were mixed and the felt antibiotic therapy should be the first line. If treatment failed they said a lot of patients turned to Rife. Most flared up directly from using the treatment and decided not to continue, but some got much much better." I decided to also investigate further by having patients intentionally ask their LLMD's directly (As a favor), if they felt Rife treatment was effective in cases where antibiotic failure was present. Since I maintain one of the major LLMD lists and collect patient reports after they've seen the doctor, it was easy and very logical to use them to accumulate knowledge for my personal use on their dime. The majority of LLMDs said they "DID" feel it helped people but they didn't know why -- they each also made it clear they couldn't recommend it for legal reasons but they could give the patient their opinion and information if specifically asked about their observations. Some very well known doctors in the Lyme community did recommend it, but they are so cutting edge that I felt uncomfortable personally putting much weight on it.

After all of this, here I am. Does it work exactly as reported and claimed? I have no idea. Are there side effects that might hurt me? I have no idea. I've been on so many toxic drugs and tried so many alternative treatments it seems self evident to take the risk.

The reason I'm telling everyone this is so they understand what has motivated me to consider this avenue.

One last note. My friend who got well has not returned to the Lyme group (even to moderate) since reporting his recovery to me. He told me privately when asked that "I see no reason to take part in the group now, it self functions fine by itself and I'm well now. I don't know if I'm cured and I don't care. I'll continue to maintain my health by doing Rife monthly or every couple months. If I get sick again then you'll know because I'll be back immediately to try something else."

It's coming up on two years now and I haven't heard from him since, though I do see he signs onto his own myspace page occasionally. I'm very happy to have not heard from him.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I am glads you are detail oriented, as this should help out quite a bit concerning frreqeuncy treatments.

Since you have not had a great deal of luck with any other treatment method, now you have the opportunity to narrow down why.

Your documentation will help immensly, and I cannot stress enough how important it is to document everything. Patterns emerge over time that really help pin point problems, and what is most effective.

I hope this works out well for you. You really have had a tough time, and do deserve some relief.

Dan
 

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Posted by Stacyb (Member # 13084) on :
 
Mike,

Did you stop the new protocol that you
were suppose to go on last time you saw L.
in NY? Just wondering as I know you had just
started it and now saw that you are going to
try Rife. I assume that you will d/c abx then too?
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
A couple of us are trying to target the mystery protozoan and

Karenl stated in another thread "started rifing the 787 for malaria and it did something all over my body"

I added progrsms to my generator and they are

Malaria - 4, 20, 28, 222, 550, 713, 880, 930, 1032, 1433, 1444, 1445, 455, 743

Malaria - 555,728,787,880

Toxo - 434, 852, 19665.89, 979.11

I always still add in the Detox and Kidney Liver Lymph programs too

I am seemingly able to handle a lot of rife without huge herxing.. I have gotten my loads down a lot via IV abx...

Therefore i can play around with full programs but my goal is to narrow down to certain numbers that work best for me.

Otherwise I am doing long periods of time on the rife...

I started with just the detox and organs supports for the first few weeks. This really helped me alot.

I now do those plus rotate with a Viral program and Parasite program and Lyme program. Now added in Malaria and Toxoplasmosis.

If I skip the viral program I seem to respond more strongly after that next week so I am going to stop skipping weeks and keep that one in there more continually.

I have been able to do 3 minutes on each frequency for every program. I sometimes feel better the day after and then herx the 2nd and 3rd day. Kinda weird ....

But the herxes do not seem to last more then 3 days now for me. They used to last 5 or 6 and I only could rife once a week. I am up to two times week now..

I am hopeful this will erradicate whatever is left or hiding or was not able to be hit by the IV abx treatments.

We will see... I see it also as some insurance on not allowing what I have done to return as well. That is my hope..
I am very fearful of relapse situations. Even though i am not in full recovery I also have been much worse and bedridden and ill than i am now..

So we will see.

I am keeping a log as well... and keeping track of time frames and numbers too...

I hope it all is fruitful....

Dan.> how long did it take for you to get to daily???
I am curious??
And how long are your sessions daily? when you started daily and how long did you work up to?

Thanks much
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
Thank you. Stacy, I am still on their protocol. We have a limited number of options left. I began LDN yesterday for the second time. I had side effects the last time so I started again at .5mg and hope to get up to 1 soon. My protocol presently does not appear to be working.

However, it did result in massive herxheimer reactions when I initially began. I also feel better when I stop treatment (but not beyond 40%), so it's possible the medications are at least doing something. They wanted me to start Lariam too but I'm not comfortable using that drug at this time. I'm going to probably finish up whatever protocols they ask me to perform (except further IV) and heavily consider the Rife as the next stop. Things are subject to change, but this is where I'm aiming for now.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
We waited over three years to try the daily treatments, but we could have done it after about two years, or maybe even sooner.

Until recently we did not have any way to hit cyst form, it really did not make much sense to treat daily with just 612Hz. So we never tried to get to a daily treatment until recently.

We can run any frequency as long as we want. I have run 612 hz up to 2 hours, but it did not really have any more effect than running it for 20 minutes.

The first ten DNA frequencies are usually five minutes each, but I run them ten minutes if time permits. I do not use the secondary ones, although I may try them in the future.

To the best of my ability to diagnose, we were only treating Babesia and Lyme. I have no indication there is any Babs at this time, but it has bounced back in the past out of nowhere.

Lyme cysts are mostly in the ankles and spine at this time, judging from reactions, or lack of them. Reactions are getting more unreliable as we progress.

Dan
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
Can you tell me whether or not you can use a Rife machine around computers, Plasma/LCD TV's or other electrical equipment.
 

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Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
 
LCD light even from a television might be therapeutic. I doubt the EMF emanating from the electronics would be helpfull, could be quite harmfull.
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
What I want to know is whether Rife will damage electrical components in my home.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
If I get my machine right next to my laptop, it will cause interference. None of them have damaged anything.

I have not heard of anyone having damaged any electrical componants using one. It is too weak to really cause much trouble, other than maybe some radio interference at the designated frequency.

Dan
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Metallic, I strongly agree with Dan that you are a perfect candidate for Rife because you are so meticulous and thorough in your note keeping.

This is VERY important when using Rife therapy, and cannot be stressed enough. You already know my experience with Rife as we've talked in the past, so you can add me to your list of people that have been successful using Rife as a main treatment.

I've never experienced any problems with electrical components in my home when treating, so this shouldn't be a problem.
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Why does there seem to be reluctancy to share frequencies or programs used for Lyme that were successful for those who have treated successfully?

I have asked a few times and Dan has given a couple numbers and one other person who has just been starting out has too.. and thats about it.

Is there some reason for this?
I think it would be helpful information to see. Not to duplicate but as a cross reference and for ideas as well.

Any reasons for this??
 

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Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
 
I have wondered this too Springshowers. I think for some reason the originator of the frequencies wants money for finding them and people who get them may agree in some fashion to not release them??
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
No, there is no hidden agenda for the frequencies. You can go to electroherbalism.com to get the ones that have generally been used successfully for free. If you ask people to list all the frequencies they've used through their entire treatment they would probably be willing to share.

Dan, what about the DNA frequencies? Can those be provided publicly or privately by you for free?
 

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Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Dan can explain it better than I, but the DNA frequencies have taken a lot of time and effort to discover and it is my understanding that the person who discovered them (Charlene Boehm) charges a small fee to compensate her for her time and to fund future research in this area. I went on her website and tried to read one of her papers explaining the frequencies...very complicated stuff.

I don't have her website handy but it has been posed on this site before.

I plan to order her frequencies. In order to get them you have to sign a confidentiality agreement.

All of the other frequencies are public info from what I understand.

tickbattler
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I only use two CAFL frequencies which work well for Spirochete form.

612 Hz and 432 hz.

There is probably other frequencies that work for Spirochete form, but these are better proven than the others. I only post frequencies that I am sure work, not because I am holding out on anyone. The rest of the Lyme frequencies are pretty much listed on the CAFL list.

http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/CAFL.htm

I have not found any of the CAFL frequencies that affect Cyst form, and this is why I am using Char Boehm's DNA frequencies. She charges a small fee for exactly the reason given by tick battler. they would not even exist if it was not for her research in this area.

She also will send you a frequency conversion program for free upon request.

I have agreed not to disclose her frequencies by agreement, and I am a man of my word. She does not charge much anyway, and will update them for free if any changes occur.

http://www.dnafrequencies.com/

You can do very well without the DNA frequencies, using just 612 hz and 432 hz for Lyme. I would just start out using these.

It will be all most people can handle to begin with.

Dan
 

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Posted by Stacyb (Member # 13084) on :
 
Mike,

Thanks for the explanation on your decisions
on treatment protocol. I am interested in Rife
too and other alternative tx as well. I was just
in NY and I got a real aggressive tx plan to start
with the Tindy added in. I have not done any
cyst tx except Plaq all along.

Do not want to steal the post but wanted to
let you know the Factive is working great!
Fingers crossed this new 5 abx protocol does
not knocked me down to hard!

Good luck with the rife if that is the way you
will go. I know you will report all the details
honestly so that is a plus for those of us
wanted first hand accounts.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Congratulations on finding a treatment that works for you. I always like to hear good news.
Stick with it, as long as it is working.

Dan
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I understand that you can get the list for free. I just noticed not many who seem to use rife talk about what works best.

By the way here is a list of lists... including history anectodes from previous years and peoples accounts. Very interesting stuff. The CALF Mystery PDF is amazing. Does anyone know of somewhere they did something like this for Lyme?

http://home.earthlink.net/~vibrnthealth/Misc/FrequencyLists.htm
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Its interesting about 612

Everywhere I look I do not see Lyme Referenced.
Another reason its great to share..

612 - ALS_2, Coxsackie_B3, Coxsackie_General, Echo_Virus, Enterovirus_General, Influencinum_vesica_general, Leptospirosis, Leukose, Mucor_mucedo, Transformation_series

Am I missing it somewhere Dan?

432 makes more sense to me though

432 - Babesia, Bacillinum, Bacillus_subtilis, Backache_2, Cholecystitis_chronic, Complete_early_crane, Conjunctivitis, Coughing, Coughing_from_flu_vaccine_1, Diphtheria, Euglena, Immune_system_stimulation, Influenza_virus_swine, Kieferosteitis, Lyme_disease, Lyme_2, Lyme_tertiary, Lyme_TR_B, Morgellons_disease_TR, Pullularia_pullulans, Rhodococcus, Sinusitis_3, Sore_throat_comp, Yellow_fever

Just curious.

I understand about the DNA deal and that you have to pay for those and not share....

It would be cool to see what someone has done even for the first year as an example. For new people it can be frustrating not to see much in that way.. Just numbers and are presented and it is said to work up in time..

I just think it would be cool and educational to see a sampling from others who have lyme and have done or are doing rife.

Such as..
Month one....
Did A B C for Blank minutes ... Blank times a week.
And so on and so forth..

Again not to follow. Just to see sampling and get ideas of how others started out and see a progression of sorts changing in time and numbers and or if there were detoxing or organ supports used as well etc.

I know everyone is different. But from my point of view when I even first started this and approached it.. its amazing how objective it is.

And since we all are in the lyme community together we can only learn from eachother...

Or are there such samplings somewhere. I did not see any on the ancedotes pages.. yet..

Thats and interesting compiling..I am still reading through....
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Here are a couple peoples accounts from the list

"For lymes disease I use: 432, 484, 610, 690, 790, 800, 864, and 4200 hertz. My first herx was so severe it lasted over 3 weeks. I quickly learned to watch treatment times"

"Some have divided 380,000 by 440 for a frequency of 864. Here are some effective Lyme frequencies:
312, 345, 432, 484-504, 592-634, 690, 785-795, 800, 864, 1590-1640 "Doug's" program
is 432 or 864, 592-634 (3-4 minute sweep) and 1590-1640 (3-4 minute sweep). The two sweeps are very effective and seem to have less die-off symptoms than 432."


This one is interesting since my back just went out.
"For about 15 years Ive had lower back trouble. It will all of a sudden start to ache and then WHAM! it goes into spasm, hurts like hell and I have to hobble around on a cane like a cripple. Often times I can bring it on by lifting or doing any strenuous work without a gack brace on. It usually takes about a week and a half to clear up.

The other night at the office xmas party it started to ache after dancing. The next morning I was well on the way to having a full blown back episode....

My question is, why do you suppose my back would feel 90% better after using the EMEM2 for an hour each on 432 (Lyme) and 465 (yeast)? Ive been able to do this twice now..."
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
A couple others

"There was a fellow who came to our Canadian group from Vancouver, who had actually obtained the Lyme bugs from CDC in Atlanta. He also has a live cell microscope and could see what each frequency was doing to the bugs, which gives an additional level of confidence to this one.. He found that 306 was the frequency that destroyed the Lyme ane he used this on his wife and a another person, and cured them both, so I would add that to the list.

=================

In response to silver bullet for Lyme recommendation, my Developer source (who has no computer) says: "There is no one silver bullet on frequencies. One woman used 432 Hz on her son and miracles happened. It did not work for her, but 625 Hz did. Both were infected on same camping trip." "Doug" originally gave list as: 864 or 432; 690; 610 and 610-630 scan; 484 and 484 to 503 scan; and said, "Always run the 610 Hz after the 864 Hz--it lessens the severity of Herxheimer reaction," and later added 480-540 scan, and 765-810 scan."
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
and..

"A male subject, aged 52, suffering from medically diagnosed Lyme disease for 15 years (pains, stiffness, chills, etc.) was given a 20 minute exposure, holding the glass plasma tubes, one in each hand {a contact device, not a BRG}, to 2,016 Hz and 625 Hz. Two weeks later he phoned to person who had given the treatment to report the absence of all symptoms. It is now almost 6 months later and all symptoms are still absent, after just one treatment. Though anecdotal, it is still food for thought. I had suggested 625 Hz as this was Rife's frequency for syphilus, another spirochete, and I reasoned that it might also be applicable to the Lyme spirochete. What are the medical complementarys ? And what is their success rate ? This patient had previously tried intravenous antibiotics and many other conventional medically suggested methods with no success."
 

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Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I've used my GB 4000 six times. This rife experience is fabulous; i feel it's curing me fast; i didn't have bad herxes at first and now almost none at all. I think i can go to every day pretty soon, so far just one minute each on 612 and 432, for lyme. The other frx i'm doing are for candida, and they also seem to be working fast.

This is far, far pleasanter ,faster, and more successful than i ever imagined. Of course, after 5 1/2 years on antibiotics, there may not
be many bugs left to kill!

I've found plenty of frx in lists, so i haven't needed to experiment. There's a frequency list that comes separately along with the other part of the GB 4000 --- i'm glad i bought the extras; i didn't know the frequency list comes too.

I feel so good. I can't put in words how pleasant i feel, how wonderful my forehead feels to be clear, without the fog; the last time i had a clear forehead, until now, was a day or two in March, 2005.

I can't explain my happiness at feeling so well from the rife. I never read anyone else like this,-- just a minute or two of frequencies, and it makes me well, i'm almost cured.

Has anyone ever cured toenail fungus with rife?

I tried Hulda Clark's frequencies for onychomycosis today, but my toes are the same; but i didn't even use the two highest frx, since i haven't hooked up my amplifier yet.

---Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
612 Hz is the same as 306 Hz but one higher octave.
They are essentially the same frequency, but 612 Hz seems to work better for us. That may be why you have not seen it as it is listed as 306 Hz.

306 and 432 are both "Doug" frequencies. He witnessed the Spirochetes dying under the microscope using these. That is why I decided to focus on these two, and my experience supports his conclusions as well.

That is a very interesting anecdote Spring Showers. I have not seen that before. Thank you for posting it. I am always amazed at the things I learn here, unexpectedly.

Dan
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Not one to let grass grow under my feet, I put the above Syphilis anecdote to the test.

I had thought of trying this same thing a couple of years ago, but never did. I do trust Rife's frequencies more than any others, since he was far too careful to make mistakes.

I ran the 2016 Hz frequency and got my wife to holler at the pain shooting through her ankle. I just ran the 612 Hz harmonic and the DNA frequencies yesterday, there should have been little in the way of Spirochetes.

I am also running 625 and I am not sure if she is having effects from the previous frequency or if it is from this one, but she is not very comfortable.

I will reverse the order tomorrow, and see what the reaction is.

My initial impression is that 2016 works, and not just Spirochete form. I will have to do this a few more times to confirm, but others should try this and see what happens.

My advantage is she does not know what I am running ahead of time. She was not happy that it was a Syphilis frequency. I had to do some quick explaining.

I know a guy from England who is going to want to hear about these frequencies. He will give them a real test.

Dan
 

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Posted by Sheryl777 (Member # 17804) on :
 
Any opinions on the ReslWave 77 and lyme treatment?
http://www.resiwave.com/en_ResIWave77.html
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Wow. Thats cool Dan.. It was on my list to try as I read through those.

I was wondering why the lists stopped being posted in 2004. I wonder who was keeping track of those and keeping that log going>?>?

Any ideas?

I find those very valuable indeed.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I am guessing Turf was keeping the list. Can't remember his whole name at this time.

I wrote the post above as I was running the frequencies. I ran 2016 two more times and the reaction was less but still made her uncomfortable.

She had the "spine breaking" sensation that she had with MMS. I am not sure what to make of this, but she is too sore to try again tonight. I do not usually have to skip a day because of a reaction, but this hit pretty hard.

Her spine and ankles are pretty sore, these are the areas I had already determined were still harboring more Lyme than anywhere else..

I am not going to jump to any conclusions, but this frequency needs more research for sure.

I would advise anyone who has a good load of Lyme go real short with this frequency. Until we know exactly how much it is capable of.

Dan
 

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Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
I am going to try 2016 this weekend for an ultra-short duration and I will report back. I often feel like lyme hides in my wrists.

Spring, I did share my frequency list in October as did a few other posters, here's the thread:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/86510?
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Thanks Cats..

I feel this stuff hides in my elbows wrists and back..... time to come out from hiding.'

My docs always say.. its one thing to clear this stuff from the blood and a whole other story clearing it from tissue and organs and ligaments etc..
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I ran 612 Hz last night first, to see if any Spirochete form was present. There was some, as she could feel it in various places. I would not have expected any.

I then ran 625 Hz because I did not get a good test of that the other day. I ran it for a half hour and got zero reactions. Absolutely nothing.

Then i ran 2016 Hz and had no reaction for eight to ten minutes and then, it started to hurt in her lower spine, hip and ankles.

Paul, the guy from England has had a delayed reaction also with 2016 Hz, but he has several infections going at once, so it is harder to tell with him.

I ran the 2016 Hz frequency for forty-five minutes which made her uncomfortable, but less so than the previous treatment. She fell asleep at the end, so she could not have been in much discomfort, toward the end.

Still not sure why this frequency is hitting something being missed by 612 Hz. I assume it is a different form of Lyme, hopefully cyst form, but I am not totally sold on that yet.

I am going to keep using it, because it is doing something the other frequencies are not. Since it is affecting the Lyme areas, it almost certainly is Lyme related.

I am tentatively putting 2016 Hz up there with 612 Hz and 432 Hz as my three main Lyme frequencies. I am going to temporarily stop using the DNA frequencies, to try see what this 2016 is actually affecting.

Maybe i can get an effective Lyme treatment with just these three frequencies. That is what i would like to find out.

I should add that i am using the EMX plasma device and I am sitting about four feet away, my wife is right next to it. I feel nothing from the frequencies.

Confusing disease.

Dan
 

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Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
A few years ago when I was seeing a muscle testing retired chiro...my body wanted/needed the Malaria protocols several times.

In no way did that mean I had the malaria bacteria, whatever freqs that were in the pre-programmed Malaria program was needed.

They helped tremendously. I wonder if I should go back and do more Malaria sessions. I also did many other programs based on the muscle testing.

Ex:
staph
strep
Yellow fever
meningococcinum
leukoencephalitis
e-coli
tetnas
salmonella

Staph has been a blessing to me over and over again. I can tell when I need to focus rife on staph. In fact I need it today.

Again this muscle testing & rife protocols were over a two year period and my body needed those programs because the freqs in them were beneficial to me.


Some sx disappeared into all this tx. Brain fog, fatigue improved, vision improved, and others I can't recall now.

I will say I gave up on the muscle tester because I felt like I had become his car payment and it was time for me to move on. He seemed to only be able to get me to a certain point.

For 10 yrs medical treatments/protocols have come to me in very spiritual ways. Each have been a blessing.

Right now I'm struggling and have been for about 6 mths. I need something or someone to help me, but I haven't found it yet?????????

I have developed a new rife protocol based on some threads in the last couple weeks. Thanks to those of you who have shared your experience with some info here.

You might be one of my angels.

Pam
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dan I also tried 2016 and felt it in areas and in ways other frequencies have not shown to. I agree that it is an interesting number and I have added it to my list as well.

I ended up looking into the list I was given with my machine for syhphillis and ran that program last night.
Wow. it was powerful. I am herxing badly today. Quit intense.

If your curious about those numbers.. they are

900 660 650 625 600 626 20 658

Notice all the 600's!

My machine shows me when each number in a program is running so I can make notes to how I am reacting and my plan is to take off the numbers I do not want to keep and keep those I feel I am getting a larger reaction to. I too can feel them like you said your wife does and I am making the assuption those are the ones doing the affecting. I hope that is an appropriate assumption because when i read about this they say that you should not assume that necessarily?

Not sure about that. But the feelings coincide with a herx as well.

Let me know what you think of those numbers.

The Malaria and Toxo numbers I ran were no where near as intense as these Syphillis numbers..

Interesting stuff.

The Lyme protocols and numbers I have tried also have not been as intense either yet.

I am starting to use just the Ray Tubes I have and no electrodes. It helps me fine tune and feel more readily what is going on. The electrodes feel more like just zapping and the ray tubes feel like they are pulsing through my body and are more deep.
 

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Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Thanks for all of the info.

I spoke to my doctor the other day & he insisted that babesia may be a problem for me. He was never too concerned about co-infections but now he seems to think babesia may be a problem for me.

I don't have the typical co-infection symptoms but he said you can still have babesia even if you don't show symptoms or have a negative test result.

Anyway, he wants me to do the abx for it & I don't really like the idea of it. I'm considering Rife more seriously in light of this. How have you guys done with treating the co-infections & specifically babesia with the Rife type machines?

I've read that babesia is hard to eradicate with the Rife machine. Would anyone suggest to skip the abx & go directly for the Rife?

On another tangent - has anyone tried pulsed electro-magnetic frequency devices? SOTA has an inexpensive one. I've read alot of interesting stuff about PEMF.

Dan (or anyone) - does the GB-4000 have any glass tubes or does it only generate frequencies some how? Is it important to get a device with tubes? Does it make a difference?
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I do not have a lot of experience with babs, but my wife did have symptoms of it, and it was easiluy knocked down running CAFL frequencies.

I can't say for sure she had it, but I think she did. It also came back twice months later. I have not seen symptoms of it lately, but you know how that goes.

I cannot make a resommendation since I do not know the effectiveness of ABX or the effectiveness of frequencies for certain.

If ABX works well for it, then I would use it. If you already have a machine available then try the frequencies. If they work, it should work fast. They did for us, but we just treated until symptoms were gone. It may take a longer time to be rid of it for good.

The GB-4000 has regular stainless contacts, no plasma tubes. Plasma tubes naturally produce harmonics of the frequencies you are running. there are long debates on what effect these harmonics have, but either method works well enough.

Dan
 

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Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Thanks. I just came across this about babesia & fibromyalgia type pain...

http://lymemd.blogspot.com/2009/03/fibromyalgia-remission-with-malarone.html

excerpt-

This is conjecture: She never had Babesia. The motile parasites seen in blood wet mounts may have been responsible for her muscle disorder. We known that these parasites do not live in blood or blood cells- they are extracellular.

This means they primarily reside in other tissues. Their numbers must be so numerous that they egress into the blood. A likely place for parasites to live is muscle tissue. One must wonder: could fibromyalgia be caused by muscle parasites, at least in some patients?

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It seems that this doctor has found some "other" parasite that can be associated with babs & fibro.

It would seem that this could be treated with the Rife. From the article, she treated it with a 3-5 months with Malarone with good results. Rife seems like it would be a good continuing treatment to keep the bugs away.

More about babesia-

http://lymemd.blogspot.com/2009/07/babesia-questions.html

excerpt-

Another helpful test is the evaluation of a wet mount slide. Many patients show a crescent shaped organism which resembles Toxoplasmosis. I do not believe this organism is Toxo: many patients with the organism have negative serology (antibodies) directed against Toxo. I will explain why I mention this finding in connection with Babesiosis in a moment.

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Malarone seems to address this crescent shaped parasite whereas Mepron does not. It is my suspicion that this other, yet unknown parasite, is responsible for much muscle pain, including that associated with fibromyalgia syndromes.

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Seems it's some other parasite that may be causing some of our fibromyalgia type symptoms. One day it's XMRV, one day it's Lyme, one day it's babesia... all of this is so difficult.

I guess we just have to keep an open mind & keep trying new things.
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
I responded extremely to Malarone, and I did show the abnormal cell shapes in my blood when I tested via Fry Labs. It did not resolve the muscle pain, but it did resolve the heavy sweating to a significant degree and the breathing trouble.

To treat Babesia, I really think antiparasitics are necessary, not antibiotics alone. Malarone is antiparasitic.
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
ORGANIZING RIFE THERAPY: WHAT PRINCIPLES MATTER MOST

Ok so I've begun organizing a plan. I'll need help to refine the "study" so to speak. If you can pick a part of my project and criticize it constructively and offering potential improvements, please consider doing so. I also need specific frequencies directly from the source of individuals who have identified and confirmed the frequencies are effective. A minimum of at least 5-10 individuals confirming each frequency is effective In-vitro, at a very specific frequency, can allow me to narrow down the methodoly. The machine itself doesn't matter as long as they've measured and confirmed the frequency is Plasma driven, and accurate. Let me know who here has this data, or who has contacts to those with the data.

Why Rife And Not IV

IV would improve my health probably, if we used the right drugs -- but it would be short lived. I am certain I will fall ill again. I did IV previously and the risks don't seem worth the attempt at this time. Sepsis and death -- from my last encounter -- aren't points I'm aiming for.

Why not try other alternative protocols?

I've done around 95% of all the available options that patients typically seek. The few I haven't include some Homeopatic treatments, HBOT, and Salf and Vit C. These aren't on my mind yet. I will research further. Adding immense salt to my diet is not a thrilling concept given I already have problems with other organs. I am not closing my mind to it though.

Rife may or may not hold me back for a little awhile.

The Focus On Rife, A systematic Process

For now I'm focusing on Rife. I feel confident about it, and believe it will work if I do it right.

I expect to be sick for many months however, but I'm going to work out a plan of attack that allows me to scientifically document things, so as to control variables. I want the material to be accessible to others when I've finished.

If it succeeds, even better. If it fails, the notes should help even more so patients can avoid mistakes, or consider alternative routes or ideas I missed while doing my own therapy.

Scientific Experimentation & The Hypothesis: How to Organize The Parameters

Detoxification

I wish to avoid Detox and supplements as much as possible from an herbal or unconventional format. Simple formats will be used, such as exercise and a select 1-2-3 trivial supplements.

Yet I don't want to devastate my ability to recover, so I will have to figure out a system that can allow both the science and full recovery potential at the same time.

There are ways of detoxing using substances which will not influence infection, but are common house hold items, as well as exercise and drinking a measured amount of a specific type of water.

Diet

I will avoid vitamins, and follow eating a normal diet -- not controlled. An uncontrolled basic diet of 3 meals per day (Or 4), with soups with vegetables, regular breads or whole grains, pasta, meats, cheese -- typical foods. I can tolerate most foods. Foods which can't be tolerated will be substituted, and I'd also measure these, to see when these intolerances did or didn't disappear.

Credibility Is Crucial

I want the process to be as close to scientifically valid, so as to exclude things. A diet of that nature would not influence outcome if Rife in-fact works. Vitamins however "would" influence the outcome, as I've responded to them in various ways previously.

Some supplements should not however, such as the Cholestapure, or ALA, NAC, or some very primitive and basic nutritional items. Cheap, easily accessible items, including Baking Soda, may be considered.

None of those would influence an infectious disease process.

The less supplements, the less variables.

The less variables, the more credible the research.

I'll ask the doctor and Sheryl and find out how to establish a controlled experiment

How To Objectively Measure

Blood work of specific kinds would help.

Including updates on Igenex blood work done constantly.

my Igenex test was positive, we already know what is present.

More testing would allow objective indications of how fast it takes for the titers and bands to fade.

Other blood numbers, such as the immune system, thyroid, and other hormones (without supplementation), would indicate progress as well as worsening.

Initialy, if correct, things should worsen. Immune dysregulatory numbers should become abnormal, with non-specific inflammatory indication.

Blood counts can be graphed using a progrogram over months.

Combined with accurate testing, simplified diet, minimal supplements known to have no impact on disease, and simple exercise protocol starting with the bike alone, the duration, an perhaps even the amount of sweat can be measured.

I can do that using a simple tee shirt that I can work out consistently with.

I can pour water on it via measuring, to see how much water it takes to saturated the shirt. I saturate my current shirt to it's maximum when I finish exercising, so I can measure it's weight as well, to compare.

Once I know, I will know the amount the shirt is consistently saturating, and the weight of the shirt on a scale.

These numbers and indications should also see a decline in the amount of sweat on a graph. My numbers have been consistent for years -- constant saturation. This should not take place in a normal human being.

A decrease would suggest infection is decreasing, and bodily regulation is normalizing.

Circumstantial and Subjective Evidence

I will also report subjective numbers, such as percentages of health, and define the percentages clearly so people understand what I can objectively do physically at each level.

I will also list the symptoms on some form of graph to demonstrate the rate at which they increase, decrease, duration, intensity, and time frames over months to years.

Choosing Minimal Frequencies

I will organize the frequencies according to what is considered significant by those who have used actual machine tools to objectively identify the frequencies that effectively killed the bacteria -- and attempt to find others who were able to do the same with various co-infections.

If I understand the invitro results, it may allow -- in comparison -- to make a presumption clinically of which numbers are effective invivo in cases that follow the identical pattern and course of my own illness.

I can then follow-up with all the tests which I tested positive.

Including RMSF, CPN, MP, Mold, Lyme, etc -- as well as attempt to run Bartonella testing again.

I will include the labs and dates of blood draw, and such. -- the numbers can be graphed too.

Conclusion

All of this, when finished, should give an accurate reflection of what patients can expect to really see with a chronic Lyme Disease case, with secondary co-infections. If treating the Lyme alone seems to instigate results of the co-infection numbers, it would support the hypothesis of Lyme being the underlying cause of an immune dysregulatory process, including suppression.

Pre-Activity To Prepare For Rife

Unknown variables such as unknown infections, parasites, or other processes will need to be understood more fully before I begin.

Thus, parasite cleansing is needed, and further antibiotics to lower the load before Rife therapy began. A long rest period between -- and an allowance of symptoms to worsen again (assuming they improve at all) would ensure the infection was not killed.

Since Rife therapy is presumed to be primarily a project for those who have failed Antibiotic therapy, it only makes sense to provide adequate time before finishing antibiotics and supplements, to ensure they don't actually influence or impact the Rife therapy outcome.

This is to avoid the "Well antibiotics and not Rife could be why you got well.

That can easily be ignored by documenting proper symptom patterns and test numbers via CMP and Igenex re-testing of the Western Blots.
 

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Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
Metallic Blue,

Wow. That is quite a plan and I look forward to your substantial documented recovery! No joke.

I think that blood work is an ok measure, but I think you should give the subjective measures more attention, especially since your posts are well-edited and well thought out. "You don't sound sick" so it might be hard for some patients to connect your experience to thier treatment plan. I found that blood test results didn't measure half the mess I was in, if you know what I mean.

Subjective things I would consider relevant and things that changed radically for me are:

1) nap urgency, number of naps per week and duration (I went from a must-have, fall down in my tracks, 2 hour nap every day to no napping)

2) instances of word-finding problems (I went from several a day to none)

3) ability to tolerate noise on some sort of scale- can you tolerate a three way conversation with the radio on when an ambulance drives by?

4) ability to tolerate trips out of the house- perhaps measured in recovery time. For example, it should not take 2 days to recover from a trip to the local lab for blood work.

I'm sure there are many other subjectives and they should be tailored to your experience.

That being said, best of luck. When does the plan begin? Not sure I have ever been so excited about someone I don't know starting a new lyme protocol, seriously.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I think it is admirable that you are doing everything you can to properly document your experience.

I have done it in a similar but cruder manner, but not as detailed as what you are planning. I also would use a combination therapy, if there was one that my wife could tolerate. I am here to cure her first however I have to do it.

I am trying to help others by recording the experience, results and observations. That is my second priority.

I had no doctor or medical tests to work with, as our local doctors would be more of a detriment than a help.

I think you are going to do this properly, but I do not know if I would go as far as deprive yourself of vitamins and supplements just for the sake of eliminating variables.

You still need a good immune response to improve.

The object is to get well, and if possible cure the disease. I do not want you to sacrifice yourself for the sake of credible documentation.

No matter which way your results go, many people have a religious like zeal for one type of medicine or another. You really are not going to influence that group no matter how well you do this.

I understand your objective, as it was mine also, within limits. But you matter the most. Do not deprive yourself of anything you may need to improve, for the sake of scientific method.

Other than that, way to go!

Dan
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
Thank you for the additional notes you both offered. I'll have to think carefully and discuss many things further before I can further refine the ideas. The aim at first is always a "plan" -- but planning is priceless, but once at battle, plans are useless, because you often find better ways, or must compromise certain aspects in order to achieve a priority result.

So, absolutely. I come first, and I'll make sure it's something I can live with and recover. As far as the subjective issues, it will be done right.
 

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Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
Well, Wed I tried 612 & 432- 2 minutes each and followed up with 10,000 for 5 minutes for detoxing.

As usual my herx reaction came on strong 24 hrs later. Yesterday I thought my head was going to explode and that horrible lyme neck pain.

During both 2 min. I felt the usual body sensations that tells me I'm hitting on something.

Looking forward to hitting some of these other

Thanks gang, Pam
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Blue.

After reading all that.. Although admirable.
I so agree with Dan. Put yourself first. I can not imagine the energy and time it takes to do just the planning and tracking of what your talking about.

That energy ... just in my opinion.. (and of course it is up to you to decide) might be needed in other areas of your life and treatment to get you well.

I have been for myself even talking to myself about cutting down my computer time and time on even this forum as I can see it takes energy even when I am laying in bed..

So we all have to make those choices but you have described your level of functionality to all of us and I can not imagine doing what your doing at this level is going to help your own health.. .it might help later prove how it happened but.. is that worth it/?? I would truely think this over..

Written with care..
 

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Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by METALLlC BLUE:
[QB] ORGANIZING RIFE THERAPY: WHAT PRINCIPLES MATTER MOST

For now I'm focusing on Rife. I feel confident about it, and believe it will work if I do it right.

Detoxification
I wish to avoid Detox and supplements as much as possible from an herbal or unconventional format. Simple formats will be used, such as exercise and a select 1-2-3 trivial supplements.

Credibility Is Crucial


Wow,

That is pretty substantial and while reading it there were quite a few times I asked - WHY go through all of this however, only you know what feels right to you, I definitely don't want to sound like I am judging you.

But, I will put my two cents in though since you opened it for discussion:

How do you define right in your statement - "I know it will work if I do it right" There is no predetermined right way or wrong way to do this.

As many detox methods that are available should be used - In my experience it was and is still extremely important to offer yourself the best chance of recovery.

Keep in mind (I know you know this)that most people who get well use more than rife - I personally treated with the machine and pulsed antibiotics,used vitamins as well as salt/c and detox.

Credibility is important - getting well is crucial.

I know you know all of this - I follow your posts and I think it is great you are willing to document this and pay all the extra lab costs but in the end it will mean that it did or didn't work for you since we are all so different.

I do hope you get well - I just don't want you to limit your chances.

All My Best!
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I do think it is extremely important to be methodical and have a third party rate results.

It is hard to be objective with your own symptoms or lack of them. I know this from my own disease, and past problems with depression. My wife was the first to notice that my depression was gone. I had not even noticed myself.

Randomly running this or that frequency without regard to what is happening is not going to produce a knowledge base to draw from.

I suppose that is why I like to run frequency A on my wife, without telling her what it is and rate responses myself. Sometimes I throw in a frequency for detox or some other benign frequency to make sure she is not responding to the fact I am treating her, instead of the particular frequency.

This provides me with honest reactions, that I then can repeat over and over again, gaining information that will be useful in the future.

I am in the situation in that only frequency treatments are available to treat the disease. They may not be the best treatment, I really do not know, but doing it properly is important.

Dan
 

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Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
"I do think it is extremely important to be methodical and have a third party rate results."


Methodical is one thing but above and beyond comes into play at some point - which differs for everyone of us.

For me and in my experience it is not necessary to go to that extreme but I do respect it.

More importantly, I don't want anyone to risk not getting well by leaving certain things out that helped others.

And I agree - a third party rate result is very important - I would have given up rife everytime I herxed because I thought I was dying but my wife knew I would come out of it and make progress. Having her see it made all the difference in the world.

You, yourself have also invested in other treatments (although frequency)by paying for the DNA frequencies - so you are using everything possible to get better and it sounds like it is working.

All My Best!
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
It has worked as far as symptomatic improvement is 100% better. She works 60 hours a week and keeps up with the housework also.

Now I want a cure, but that is proving to be more difficult.

I am overall impressed with the result. I have between $4,000.00 and $5,000.00 total investment if you add up everything we have tried, and the current treatment and equipment.

That is not too bad considering the results so far.

Dan
 

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Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
I agree 100%

Hopefully - the cure will come eventually for all of us!

My total investment not counting doctors fees(which were 4g's when my whole family had our 1st visit):

850 - emem3d

2500 - desktop coil - not used during the time I got well. it was bought after I returned to work.

1500 - my infrared sauna - which just stopped working 15 minutes ago and there is no schematic.

$$$ for vitamins - which I was taking prior to getting sick.
 

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Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
MB - What you are doing is admirable. The main thing is that you get well, though - not be a science experiment. If you have to go off your course or do things outside of your plan, please do so.

"I expect to be sick for many months however"

I took exception to this one remark you made. It may be counterproductive. It may be better to expect nothing or be neutral rather than to expect to be sick. Expect the unexpected!

I know it's really hard to get a positive mindset after all of these years of being ill but we have to. I know because I've been there & I'm still ill, too.

Sometimes, you just have to try to think outside of the box. Even if you document your results with tests - these are your results. They may not apply to anyone else since we are all different & have different manifestations of illness.

Your studies & observations are for you. They may be helpful for others to see your experience but we are all unique. Also, the tests are not always accurate.

I think you really have to go by how you feel, not what the numbers on a lab test are. I appreciate the time you take to detail all of your experiences & all of the things you have gone through.

The main thing is to get well. I won't think less of you if you don't document everything or if you change your plans.
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Anyone else do the syphillis numbers at all?

After herxing hard .. (which for me only lasts a day and a night) I feel a lot better. I am excited to continue using those numbers. But I also will not push it too hard.

I am amazed how quickly the herx clears. Much faster than any other treatment I have used. By Far..

Is this what other experience?
 

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Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
I just ran 2016 for 90 seconds. I did not feel anything in my joints but my head felt like I was waking up from a dream or something when I shut it off. I also ran 76, 570 and 1584 for babesia, but I didn't do the rest of my lyme frequencies. I want to see if I herx from 2016.

If I don't see a herx by Sunday night, I'll run all the syph numbers.
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
I am back! I haven't posted in a while, but I have been following this thread carefully. I am really excited about all the people who are posting and using rife to help with their treatment.

I have a feeling that together, we can really help each other as we figure out what is needed to kill these bugs/infections in our bodies.

The last time I posted, I believe that I stated I was going off abx and soley doing rife & supplements. Well there has been a change in plans.

I have been off abx and not rifing for about 4 weeks. I have held my own while eating sugar, drinking and acting like someone who doesn't have lyme & co-infections.

With that being said, I am back on the treatment protocol as 2010 is going to be my year to get better.

I decided to get a second opinion about my past tx protocol as well as someone to tell me of my current options.

I met with a LLND, Dr. N, and she thought that my year on abx had really gotten the lyme under control since I told her I was 85% better and stuck. She felt that Babs hadn't been addressed and that is why I am still left with fatigue.

So I agreed to go on another yr of abx targeting Babs. New protocol is: Flagyl, Zithromax, Mepron, Artemesinin, Teasel Root and possibly Larium in the future.

With this being said, I has decided to still use my rife as part of my treatment. I will be using it regularly.

I am excited to try this new number 2016 and any other Syphillis numbers.

Well I am off to rife for lyme & babs. Today begins my new 'renewed' commitment to my getting better.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I am glad you have made some progress.

I hope the combination therapy brings you to 100%.
Sometimes we have to hit it with everything we can.

Keep us posted on your progress, and Good Luck.

Dan
 

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Posted by Jessica (Member # 23405) on :
 
I am deciding between GB-4000 and a coil machine.
Which one does run in the Mhr range (Dan's advice)?
Which one can run DNA frequencies?
Is anybody using GB-4000 or had any experience with it?
Where did you get it?
Any suggestions?

It's really expensive, so I would like to make a right choice.

Thank you.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The Coil is not able to run the high frequencies.

I have a GB-4000, and a Rife Labs EMX. I bought the GB used from a private party. The GB is a very good machine and has lots of handy features. The EMX is more bare bones, but can run high frequencies, and can do the job.

There is a used GB-4000 with amplifier for sale on the Rife Forum for $1,800 or best offer. I think he only has it listed on that site.

Of course, you have to be careful when buying something site unseen, from a person you do not know.

Dan
 

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Posted by dogmom2 (Member # 23822) on :
 
hi, secondtimearound, just wondering if you got well the 1st time with the emem3d machine, why did you then get a coil machine? Just trying to decide which type of machine to purchase.

Thanks and take care, diana
 

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Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
FYI, 2016 had NO effect on me. I felt no herx. Can't rife right now but I wish I didn't have to miss my weekly. Maybe the herx will come later. I think I will go back to my regular protocol if I get a chance to do it midweek.
 

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Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
Hi Diana/All

The first time I only used the emem3d machine - I did however add in different antibiotics every once in awhile, salt/c and big time detox. I tried to follow the plan as outlined in the lyme and rife book by rosner.

I bought a coil machine because I wanted a second machine but I did not use it except to try it out a few times until I was just recently bit again. I purchased the coil machine only after I returned to work and had the money.

This time I have alternated between both machines and have herxed from both. I have also used a total of 7 days of antibiotics and 3 days of Buhner's herbs (1/2 the recommended dosage)since being bitten again on the 31st of October.

I'm pretty close to 100% again but this time I would bet my house I was treating babesia too with both machines. My experience was very similar to lauralyme's as described in earlier posts. Do I know for sure - no, but the symptoms were there.

I'm not prepared to say I'm 100% well yet but I haven't really herxed in about 2 weeks and have been feeling really good since about Christmas. I've been dealing with this disease off and on for 11 years so I know not to get to confident but I also feel like I am close to being well again by doing it the same way as the last time.

For those interested:

1998 - 15 different docs - finally treated with antibiotics for 11 months - pulsing the last 2.

I was completely well for almost 6 years - relapse or re bitten (not sure)but got really sick again and developed a severe yeast infection which turned me to alternative - rife. My doctor would not prescribe anymore antibiotics until the yeast was completely gone so I basically had no choice.

I was back to work in 4 months and totally better after about 1 year of treatment mentioned previously.

October 31, 2009 - found a deer tick - got sick again and still treating as of this writing.

Both machines work fine for me, it just depends on what you can find and afford plus what you feel comfortable with.

I am now looking at the GB4000 and the BCX Ultra because I want a more portable option and higher frequency ranges but I have to remodel the bathroom before my wife will give the okay! I'm planning on doing that project in February.

I am not trying to make this sound like it was easy because in 2005 it was pure heck and this time I was just as scared and it seems funny but I doubted my choices again every time I herxed - thankfully my wife has become an expert in helping me hang in there.

All My Best!
 

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Posted by Lauralyme (Member # 15021) on :
 

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Originally posted by springshowers:
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I am amazed how quickly the herx clears. Much faster than any other treatment I have used. By Far..

Is this what other experience? [/QB]

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No not in my case. It's not my intent to scare any new rifers I just want to share what I experienced and learned from my first rife herx.

I followed my rife treatment with all kinds of detox methods... binders, epsom baths, swimming, regular sauna, daily coffee enemas and nothing was really touching it.

It wasn't until I had an infrared sauna session that actually lifted my herx. I can't say enough great things about FIR Saunas.

I should add that I am still on ABX and herbals as well as chelating metals. I had to cut back the dosage on herbals and chelating after rifing.

From what I have learned to do after my next rife session is to immediately have a colonic followed by going to a FIR Sauna as my usual detox methods were too light to offer relief.
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
For those interested, this is the machine I'll be doing my research on.



Frequency Read, Contact Foot Plate, and Contact Hand Wand.







As you can see, I carefully researched the specific machine and the person I was purchasing it from. The item was in mint condition, with all parts included -- just as the seller said. I was pleased
 

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Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
MB,
Your machine is very similar to mine, they must be brothers. I am very happy with my machine, but I find the tuning is very delicate and can be annoying. I rarely use the foot plate or hand wand at this point.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I ran 2016 for about twenty minutes but she could not feel any reaction. I am not sure that means a lot at this point.

I doubled it at 4032 and got a reaction after about one minute in the various spots where the Lyme always seems to show up. Knees, ankles and a shoulder blade, no spine sensations. These would come and go and eventually disappear after a while of running.

I also ran an original Rife Syphilis frequency of 789,000. this produced a similar reaction to 2016 0r 4032. The reaction was the same as the prior two frequencies, coming and going after it was run for a while.

I have not been able to correlate either 625 hz or 2016 to any original Rife frequency, although the anecdote seems to imply 625 was one of his.
In any case I can get nothing in the way of reaction from 625 hz.

I have not run the DNA frequencies, as I wanted to test some of these other ones. I did not have time to run them last night, but will at the next opportunity.

The reactions are getting less and less to the 2016 Hz frequency, and I hope that means there is less Lyme, but you know how that goes.

Dan
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
MB,

Your machine looks a lot like mine as I have a DT EMEM5a. So far I really like it. I do have the opportunity to buy a good condition used Ultimate B3 (the model prior to the GB4000).

The reason I was thinking about buying this other machine was b/c I think you can pre-program the frequencies and it will run multiple frequencies for you.

Currently, I sit in front of my machine with my stop watch and manually program a frequency into the machine. I run it for a minute or whatever, then turn off the machine, plug another frequency in, turn on the machine, ect.

I was under the impression that this Ultimate B3 might be faster & easier to use.

Can anyone confirm or deny these thoughts?

Thanks
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
I agree asummer, that's the only reason I'd buy another one. It may get tedious to do it with my machine. I'd like to use my machine while working out or something. I play Xbox, ride the exercise bike at the same time. Doing the Rife frequencies on top of that, and having it stop and start automatically might be a lot better for me.

What can you tell me about this Dan? Any options? Would the newer machine by Rife Labs do this?
 

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Posted by steelbone (Member # 14014) on :
 
Anyone know if this is a good machine

The BCX Ultra

http://www.bioelectricsforhealth.com/
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Steelbone,

I believe that one or two other people on this site are currently using the BCX. You might want to use the search section of this website for any references to it.

MB,

Looks like our machines are basically the same - manual, individual input of the frequency numbers.

It sounds like I am a multi tasker like you and it is hard to sit alone in a room with my machine for 30-40 minutes working the stop watch and such. That's why I am hoping the B3 would be a bit faster.

I can PM you about Dan, but it looks like you have the same machine that he makes. I am not sure about any newer models that Rife Labs offers.

Maybe someone will respond about the B3 or GB4000 and we will see if that could be an option for easier input.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
None of the Rife Labs machines come with the ability to program a sequence of frequencies to run automatically.

The BCX Ultra is a good device. It has been use by many people with good results.

The GB and B3 are convenient from the autoprogram stand point. The contact mode makes it less convenient, so if you have an EMEM already, you can use both to make it easier.

The GB-4000 or B3 frequency generator can be hooked up to an EMEM of most any kind that has an external frequency generator with an adaptor, and run that way using the autoprograms.

You do have to run it in audio mode,(no carrier wave) and turn up the power just enough to light the tube. I reccommend running the frequencies in a sequencial mode. One after the other, but not at the same time. The effectiveness of running multiple frequencies through a tube is not known at this time.

Be sure to check with the builder of your EMEM before using the GB or B3 as a frequency source. Some may not be able to run this way. I do not know of any, but you do not want to ruin your machine if it will not work.

Dan
 

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Posted by steelbone (Member # 14014) on :
 
Thanks Dan and summers

I am actually buying a dan tracey rife machine from a friend who doesnt need it anymore.

But i am thinking about adding another machine.

Is there one that is considered the best?
 

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Posted by jamieL (Member # 16563) on :
 
Is the Ultimate Zapper a good machine?

If so, why does only cost $175?
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
A zapper is usually a battery operated frequency device that only runs one set frequency, or possibly a couple of frequencies.

It is said to clear the blood of pathogens, but I have never used one, so I cannot say what it does, if anything from personal experience. It is one of the Lyme treatments in Bryan Rosner's book, but it is a complimentary treatment to be used with other methods.l

Some people that I trust say it can help with some conditions, but it is not the same as a Rife type device.

Dan
 

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Posted by jamieL (Member # 16563) on :
 
Thanks, Dan.

There is a comparison chart on the website that makes it look like it's better than programming different frequencies.

???

http://zap.intergate.ca/page3.htm
 

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Posted by jamieL (Member # 16563) on :
 
So is rife an electrical frequency/frequencies or a sound frequency?

Forgive my ignorance. I've read the whoe thread and still don't get it.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
He is comparing to battery operated zappers or a few battery operated frequency generators. I doubt a battery operated device has the same power level that a Rife type machine has.

You need the ability to use specific frequencies, as all pathogens do not respond to the same frequencies.

It may have its uses, but it is not the same thing.

I will make a correction. The device mentioned in Bryan Rosners's book was a Magnetic Pulsar, not a zapper. Two different things.

Dan
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Rife frequency treatment uses frequencies, but they are not converted to sound. If you took a Rife type contact machine and hooked the positive and negative leads to a speaker, you could hear the frequency, if it was in the audible range.

It is similar to the frequencies in your speaker wires. They make no sound until the speakers convert them, but the frequencies are present.

Dan
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Thanks for the info Dan. Yes, I agree that you wouldn't want to run different frequencies at the same time. I am excited about typing in the numbers and running them in sequencial order.
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
Summer, that's what I was talking about, wasn't it? We program in the sequence we want, how long we want it to run, and then we sit and wait, right?

That would work for me while biking, playing Xbox, and all that stuff?
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
MB -- yes, it looks like you could ride your bike b/c the machine would run the numbers and you don't have to keep entering them in manually the whole time you are operating it.

For some reason, I didn't think you were supposed to use the rife near computers or TV's. Might want to double check about that, in regards to your xbox wish.

Do you think using 2 machines during your treatment will affect your systematic process?

IMO - Get started using your current machine, time is a wasting!
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
I may forego many plans as I continue research. I have not begun. I'm finishing a number of books on Rife and frequency. Sylver's book is really great. I'm finding that a simplistic routine may not be in my best interest, even if it could be helpful for controlling variables. As usual, reality is so much more complicated than a laboratory experiment can entirely account for.

We'll see what happens. I'll do my best to get the best of both worlds if possible.

It's a constant process of working things out in my head. I have an appt with the LLMD this Thursday. I know she's going to have ideas and plans that may conflict with Rife, so starting the therapy within the very near future may happen.
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
What are the primary underpinnings of an appropriate routine for Rife therapy in your opinions?

In other words, water, detox, exercise. What do you find to be the three most crucial things, and do you use specific machines for purifying water or at least making it safe and healthful, and do you use certain brands of a certain detoxification product or drug?
 

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Posted by dogmom2 (Member # 23822) on :
 
2ndtimearound, thanks for your reply and info, and everyone else thanks for sharing all of your experiences, it is very helpful/informative. I plan to try a machine at the llmd office a couple times to make sure I can tolerate it, and then get myself a machine.

thanks again, diana
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
I finally bought a rife.. a used perl. The info I have so far suggests rifing every day for lyme. This scares me. I think you can also run multiple freqencies at once (banks I think). This sounds contradictory to all I have learned about rifing lyme. Any thoughts???

Thank you.. and thanks for such a helpful thread.
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
For anyone who is interested - I wrote this out the other night and it got lost in cyberspace somewhere! Arrrgh! Oh well, here goes again

1st treatment ever:

612 - 1 Minute
432 - 1 Minute
= 2 minutes total

I herxed VERY hard. My first herx started about 12 hours after my first treatment. Increased brain fog, joint pain, fluey muscle aches, chills, freezing cold hands and feet, increase in muscle twitches, extreme irratibility along with crying spells, and fatigue that was out of this world. This lasted about 3 days and then lifted pretty quickly after that. For detox I drink LOADS of lemon water throughout the day along with 3-4 cups of strongly brewed green tea. I also take turmeric, milk thistle and vitamin C daily for liver support.

2nd treatment: 2 weeks later

612 1 and a half min.
432 1 and a half min.
=3 minutes total treatment time

I had basically the same herx as the first time - all the same symptoms - but to a lesser degree. It was a little more tolerable.

I rifed again 2 weeks later but added 306 for 1 minute and 2 minutes each on 432 and 612, totaling 5 minutes treatment time.

From that point forward I increased my treatment times and continued to add new frequencies such as 76 and 1,224, and ending with 10,000. By my fifth treatment I was up to 18 minutes total treatment time. I had very strong herxes but tons of improvement always followed so it was worth it to me.

A few months into treatment for Lyme I had a Babs relapse so I used my machine for that. I did 20,27 and 570 all for 1 min each totaling 3 min total treatment time. I had an immediate clearing of all symptoms. I didn't have near as bad a herx from Babs as Lyme, so I got really brave really fast and upped my time substantially until I was rifing for Babs anywhere from 15-20 minutes at a time several times per week.

All the frequencies I use with ratings:

Lyme
612 - 10
432 - 8
1,224 - 12 (yes, it's that good)
306 - 5
76 - 6
10,000 - 7

Babesia
570 - 10
20 - 10
27 - 10

Hope that helps and happy Rifing!
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Also, I haven't been around a computer for a week or so and it's so great to see this thread growing so fast!

The past couple of weeks I've kinda felt that I've hit a wall as far as rifing for Lyme is concerned. I know that Doug Mcclean felt that spirochetes could become resistant to the same frequencies and I'm wondering if maybe that's the case??

For the last year I've pretty much had the same pattern: Lyme symptoms hit - I rife - typically have an immediate clearing of symptoms which lasts a glorious 24 hrs or so and then classic herx.

Here's the new pattern over the last few weeks. Lyme symptoms hit (which lately has included a lot of old symptoms I haven't had in a while) - I rife - I have the same clearing of symptoms that lasts for about 24 hours - AND THEN no herx! Just the same symptoms back that I rifed for to begin with and they don't go away again until I rife AGAIN and then they're only gone for about 24 hours before returning again....it's really confusing me.

I'll definitely be trying the syphilis frequencies - I need something to hit this this stuff hard.

Trial and error...trial and error. How I wish there were an easier way!
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
MB -- You ask an interesting question about the underpinnings of an appropiate routine for rife and I think that it differs from person to person.

IMO, I do feel that purfied water and detox are imporant to everyone. You don't want all the die-off to be recirculated back into your system. You need to flush it out.

I think exercise is important IF you can do it. Right now, I can't.

In terms of the water, most people I know have installed a reverse osmosis system in their homes.
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
LL28 -- Thanks for posting your tx protocol. Just like you, I don't feel a herx come on for 12-24 hrs after I rife. And then the fatigue is crushing along with the flu-like symptoms & pain in the neck.

I think that it is good that you are seeing old symptoms re-appear. I think I read in Bryan Rosners book that it is like peeling away layers of an onion and that towards the end of tx, peole report their first lyme symptoms re-appear.

So don't get discouraged, I think that it is a good sign.

I think it would be a good idea to throw in some new frequencies for lyme & babs. I will post some frequencies that I use.

You also might want to look into doing some research into the DNA frequencies. I haven't used them yet, but I plan on it within the next few months.

I agree that the trial and error part of the rife process is the hardest. Sometimes it feels like finding a needle in a haystack.

LYME Frequencies
42- 125- 203- 240- 432- 380- 484- 570- 610- 611- 612- 650- 690- 790- 800- 810- 832- 864- 920- 942-1224- 2112- 4320- 4328- 2,506,752 and 10,000. You can do 10K everyday

BABS Frequencies
570- 20- 27- 76- 5776- 753- 432- 1584- 1583- 650-661
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I have found that 612 works for Spirochetes.

2016 Hz works for some form of Lyme that I have not determined yet. It is not killing all cyst form and might not kill any. But it does kill some form of Lyme that 612 Hz is missing. Possibly, it is just more effective at killing Spirochetes than 612 Hz, but I am still not sure on that point.

What I do know is that the DNA frequencies are still hitting something that neither of the above frequencies are eliminating completely. I am fairly certain the DNA frequencies do hit cyst form.

I have contradictory evidence, so my new frequencies consist of:

612 Hz
2016 Hz and multiples such as 4032 6048 hz (Syphilis)

789,000 (Syphilis)

The first ten DNA frequencies run in the Mhz range.

I am going to try determine if 789,000 Hz and 2016 Hz are doing the same thing. I also am going to try determine if 612 hz is needed at all if the Syphilis frequencies are used. I have some evidence that 612 Hz may not be needed if the Syphilis frequencies are used.

Confusing results, but nothing else has been easy either.

Dan
 

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Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 

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Originally posted by R62:
I finally bought a rife.. a used perl. The info I have so far suggests rifing every day for lyme. This scares me. I think you can also run multiple freqencies at once (banks I think). This sounds contradictory to all I have learned about rifing lyme. Any thoughts???

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I would not rife for lyme everyday. A friend of mine also had a PERL and he said they recommended the same thing but he didn't do it that way. I would also check the frequencies they use in the "banks" just to see if they are in agreement with some of the more effective ones people here prefer. If not, I believe you can set up your own programs.

Once again - I wouldn't do it everyday or very long until you verify the freqs and see how you react - start slow - just my opinion.

All My Best!
 

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Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
 
Interesting thread to say the least. Something I've definitely considered after I'm done with Dr B protocol is Rife treating.

Is that pointless to do after doing an abx treatment and going into remission?

Could i possibly pull myself out of remission by starting to hit lyme with rife? lol
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Thanks for all the great information.

I have had to take a break from Rife since I was in the Hospital all week but I want to get back to it and again start slow using the detox numbers I have posted I use to see how it goes.

My whole body feels so different after this infection and I got to feel the waters again.

This thread really has grown to become a wealth of great information and experiences and includes some great specifics that I know is helping us all and will help many to come...

Blessings to all...
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Asummers,

Thanks for the encouragement and the frequencies you use. Some of them were new to me so I'll give them a try for sure. I plan on rifing tomorrow using the syphilis freq that Dan posted. I'll let everyone know how it goes...
 

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Posted by Lauralyme (Member # 15021) on :
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by asummers:
Just like you, I don't feel a herx come on for 12-24 hrs after I rife. And then the fatigue is crushing along with the flu-like symptoms & pain in the neck.

Asummers...Your rife herx description is exactly what I experienced added with dizziness and pain on the back of the head. Would that be a lyme or a babesia herx that you provoked with rifing?

Are you able to distinguish between the types of herxes based on the frequencies you used?
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
secondtimearound.. thank you. I dont see how if one herxes 12-24 hours later that you can judge what is too much if doing every day.

It is most desirable to hit one frequency at a time, right? The bank will go through all the frequencies set in it.

LL28.. what if the rife is disabling but not killing? Then the immune system would come in and fight but not be able to finish off? Would taking homeopathy or transfer factor be helpful?

If you are herxing with the same frequency again, then it is still working, right?
 

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Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
"secondtimearound.. thank you. I dont see how if one herxes 12-24 hours later that you can judge what is too much if doing every day."

In my opinion - It really appears to depend on the individual and their immune system.

If you want to try it everyday - that is certainly up to you - I personally wouldn't.

You could rife for other things though.

Three years ago when I first started rife my immune system was in real bad shape so I, actually my wife identified my pattern.

I would rife and 3-4 days later I would be a wreck - so I believe that it took longer for my immune system/body to identify the toxins. Of course this is all opinion/personal experience.

This time after being bitten again I would rife and then herx the next day. Of course I had been completely well for three years with a healthy immune system.

The idea is to kill the active spirochetes, detox and wait for the spirochetes to build up again - this appears to be the case when lyme has converted to the other dormant forms of the bacteria.

I noticed this both times being sick - the first time I had to take my time waiting for it to activate plus I was so sick. This time because it was a new infection I needed/wanted to rife every 2-3 days for the first 8 weeks. Now I haven't had to in the the last 2 weeks. I will tonight and see if I herx - but I don't really have any symptoms at this time so we'll see.

As they activate and you have detoxed the previous toxins you do it over again for as long as it takes.

This has worked for me twice now with the small additions of other treatments - meds,salt/c and this time, 3 days of buhner herbs.

I have done very little outside of the protocol outlined in the lyme and rife book by rosner.

Frequencies:

It would probably be beneficial to do both - run multiple frequencies and individual. I can only run individual frequencies but running the multiple would cover more per treatment, hit the in between ones and save time - This is why I am looking at the GB4000 so I can have the best of both worlds.

All My Best!
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
I saw my LLMD yesterday (Dr H in NY). They are encouraging me. They said "We have a routine for people who Rife that will support your treatment. The Rife is your decision, we don't know or suggest frequencies, but we can provide plenty of help in detox, heavy metals, and many other areas that we use with patients who do take that route.

This was a shock to me. It was the PA who I saw and have worked with. She is brilliant. She did "not" prescribe or recommend this to me, but she seemed excited and happy about my decision to take it seriously.

At any rate I'm exhausting a few more antibiotics before starting. She prescribed ongoing Rifampin, Tindimax, Naltrexone, RX Chelex, Vitamin D3, Milk Thistle, Vitamin B6, (Multi Mineral), Lariam, Magnesium, Diflucan or VFEND, Ongoing Nystatin, VSL3/Theralac/Saccrymycin, ALA, and NAC, as well as Dr. Zhangs Hepa#2.

She also told me to get a Reverse Osmosis unit installed for fresh water. She told me I need to drink a lot (but also replace the lost minerals from Reverse Osmosis with one she prescribed), especially when I begin Rife. She told me once I'm done with the antibiotics, then I can start Rife if I choose. I told her that's how I wanted to do it.

Anyway, I thought this was exciting news since I'd never heard her so excited about Rife before.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Frequency treatments are not as unknown as you would think. It is just not discussed openly for the obvious reasons.

I am glad they know how to go about detox, since this can be a problem for some people.

Dan
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
From an old post of mine

"I ended up looking into the list I was given with my machine for syhphillis and ran that program last night.
Wow. it was powerful. I am herxing badly today. Quit intense.

If your curious about those numbers.. they are

900 660 650 625 600 626 20 658

Notice all the 600's!"

Has anyone tried this sequence?

I found I got quite herx from it and after finding the 2016 in old antidotes then I went searching for other syphillis numbers.

I think there is something to this and from readings here Dan is in agreement with the signifigance.
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I noticed that there were some questions about the BCX ULTRA Machine posted by some.

I am using this machine if you want to Message me or ask me any questions feel free to and I will try to help in any way I can.
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
LL28 -- you have inspired me to try the syphilis number/s as well and see if i get a reaction. I hope you will post your reactions to the frequencies here, as I am curious to see who else reacts.

lauralyme -- i have been concentrating on rifing for babs more than lyme. from what i can tell so far, i seem to have the same herx whether it is lyme or babs that i am rifing for.

my goal is to get to rifing once a week for lyme and twice a week for babs.

and my pain is actually in the back of my head/base of my skull/neck. another thing that i noticed was that the nights that i rife, i actually fall asleep easily. i usually have problems with insomnia.
 

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Posted by Lauralyme (Member # 15021) on :
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by METALLlC BLUE:

She also told me to get a Reverse Osmosis unit installed for fresh water. She told me I need to drink a lot (but also replace the lost minerals from Reverse Osmosis with one she prescribed)

Viewing a recent video of Dr H at a conference he stated that he put alkaline water ionizers in his office. Hearing him say that was encouraging me to buy one but now I see his PA leans towards reverse osmosis.

Now I'm confused as to what water system to get.

 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
Laura,
She told me about the Ionizer too and said that's really great. She wasn't pushing for one or the other per se.
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
MB -- glad to hear that you had a positive experience with your PA about rife. I used to see Dr. C (MO).

I brought up rife to him as an option and he stated that he has had many patients use rife and they no longer need to see him b/c they are doing so well and are in remission. He in no way tried to discourage me from using it.

I know what you mean when you want to exhaust all abx options, I am in the same boat. That is why I signed up for another yr of new abx to try and kick this babs in the butt.
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Okay, I didn't Rife yesterday as planned. I felt so good and I didn't want to ruin it!

I woke up this morning and had a lot of symptoms and just an overall "Lymie" feeling, so I decided to play around with the Syphilis frequencies to see what happened.

Like Dan's wife, I can feel what frequencies work and don't work during treatment. I get weird twinges and twitches and shooting pains in my bones and things like that - very helpful b/c it makes it easy to tell which freq are working and which ones aren't...

I just rifed about 2 hours ago and here's what I did:

2016 - 3 minutes

600 - 3 minutes

658 - 3 minutes

900 - 1 minute

I had zero reaction to any of these - nothing. I was pretty disappointed and starting to feel a little discouraged. I decided to go back through my notes from months back when I was having so much progress to see if there was something I was missing....

I noticed that back in July I had used 800 and noted "major reaction" in my notes - but I never used it again (whoops).

Sooo, I thought I better give 800 a go again and see what happens. WOW!! About a minute into it I started twitching everywhere. My right leg started tingling and I got a stabbing sensation in my head near the back of my ear. My wrists also started to hurt REALLY BAD. I ran 800 for 3 min total.

I then decided to play around with some other 800 numbers so I ran 832 and 864 for 4 minutes each freq. I had a very similar reaction to both of those - a lot of twitching and random pains.

About an hour later I had to run to the toilet several times because I had bad...you know...

NOW I feel sooo good...almost like I took a happy pill or something and just a total feeling of relief.

I'd love some speculation as to why the 800 frequencies caused such a profound reaction in me. Aren't those Bartonella frequencies? I thought I got rid of Bart a long time ago...
 

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Posted by Stacyb (Member # 13084) on :
 
Metallic,

That is great that L. gave you options again.
I always liked her. Hope the new protocol goes
well!

BTW your PM box is full!
Please contact me.
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
LL28 - first let me say how jealous I am that you can feel the frequencies as you are doing the rife. I think that makes it so much easier.

Yes, those 800's are Bart frequencies and I am not surprised that you had a reaction to them.

Off the top of my head I am remembering something in Bryan Rosners book about when people are on abx, that the lyme & coinfections hid from the abx deep inside our bodies. Then, when we are off the abx, over time they come out from hiding.

I am guessing that is what is happening to you. It sounds like it has been a while since you treated for Bart and now they think it is safe to come out and have a party.

That is why I thik rife is something that is used over the long haul (years). Because a lot of us pushed these infections into 'remission' and it is just a matter of time before they come out to play again.

Not sure if I made sense, I have terrible brain fog and difficulty formulating my thoughts in an adult manner these days. I think you have Bryan's book, it is in there somewhere.
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Hey asummers,

I do feel very blessed that I can feel many of the frequencies working...it does make it easier.

I think you're absolutely right about pushing the infections into remission on abx and when things are "safe" they come back out to get you.

I've had increasing symptoms over the last few weeks and I've been rifing and rifing and rifing with basically no results. Of course I was using Lyme frequencies - I thought I was chasing the right thing. No one is more surprised than me that it seems to be Bartonella rearing it's head again.

I took Zith for about a year and it seemed to have cleared it for me, but apparently not completely.

I KNOW that I'm gonna have a nasty herx from this treatment, but hey, no pain no gain!
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Hello..

I was wondering. Does anyone just feel better after each rife and does not herx?

Also.. People who use Foot Plates. Have you used them on your calves while laying in bed? And if so did you notice any difference? I have tried it and I notice I get a much bigger sensation and even burning feeling. I wonder why that is. Is it because of the thinner skin?
 

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Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
I've used a footplate under my calves and felt nothing from it.

Last night I rifed with someone in the room who isn't usually there and isn't symptomatic, although he had lyme with a bullseye and was successfully treated with abx years ago. He felt pain in him left wrist every time I hit an erlichia frequency, even without knowing when I hit them.

Interesting.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
A wet wash cloth should be used on the plate for conductivity. Dry skin is not a very good conductor.

Interesting result with the Erlichia frequency. you can use this same blind method to eliminate any placebo effect possibility.

I used to do this extensively, which is how I determined that it was an effective treatment.

Dan
 

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Posted by Healing in Santa Cruz (Member # 7798) on :
 
Since doing Kpu,I am feeling better after Rifing with my EMEM. Quite interesting to me.A few days later though I feel ill. Not sure if that is a herx or not as KPU protocol still is quite intense.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Tonight I tried something different. I hooked up the GB-4000 to the amplifier and the EMX. I ran frequencies through the contacts and the plasma device. Contact mode and plasma mode at the same time. I also ran the Gating feature.

I am somewhat limited to frequencies this way as I am in Audio mode, which leaves me lower frequencies to use. I ran the Lyme Harmonic first, which is 306 Hz and doubled each time to a total of eight frequencies. These run at the same time. It had some effect, but less than moderate.

Then I ran 2016 Hz for forty minutes. She felt this quite a lot at first. She felt it in her jaw, spine, hips and just about any place a joint existed. After about 15 minutes the effect diminished and was not too bad after that. She did say she might have to turn it off in the beginning. She did stick with it, and it got better.

I ran 6048 Hz also, but not much was felt from that frequency. It seems that either most of the Lyme was killed, or she just could not feel it anymore for whatever reason.

Dan
 

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Posted by jamieL (Member # 16563) on :
 
Does anyone know if there are frequencies that could possibly kill healthy cells?

Is this a concern with rife?
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
From the NCFL

5000 (allergies, short use only, long exposures may affect red blood cells)

Treating Tuberculosis should not be done, as there are some possible hazards in making it worse, by missing pathogens released by the breaking up of the bacteria.

This comes from Rife's experience in treating animals with TB. If done correctly, it was very effective, if done wrong, it was deadly to the animals.

These are the only potential problems I am aware of. Of course, not everything is known.

Dan
 

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Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I'm happy rifing mostly every day. I'm just beginning, not very sick, not very big herxes. I haven't used the amplifier yet.

I do 612 and 2016 for 1 minute each day. They feel warm in my forehead. 2016 feels warmer and stronger.

Candida rifing hasn't cured my candida yet. It's better, but not cured. Also, i just assume it's candida, haven't had any scientific diagnosis.

Dan, what frequencies did you use to cure it?

I'm using the Candida CAFL 1 , both as groups and sequence, for 3 minutes on groups, and then gradually increasing the number of single frx, i'm up to the first 6 frx, 1 min each.

Before that i was using the GB4000 candida frx as a group, their channel #122.

The candida frx feel warm in my forehead too! I'm feeling everything in my forehead, and nowhere else.

----Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I have never treated Candida or yeast of any kind.

464 Hz was mentioned by one researcher that I trust.

Dan
 

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Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Well, I did it...I just ordered the GB-4000 last night!

I have a lot of studying to do so I can start using it on my husband (and myself) soon after it gets here!

tickbattler
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The GB is a great machine. I hope it help you both a lot.

Dan
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Tick battler congrats on ordering the GB 4000. I doubt you will be disappointed. I am buying the B3 which is the model the company put out before the GB.

I ran the syphillis frequencies for 1 minute each. I didn't have a herx from it. In order to double check, I ran the frequencies again the following day. The second time, I might have felt a twinge in my head on 600, but still no herx or other reactions.

I think this is a good sign b/c if I had a reaction, my husband would have some explaining to do

I have a DT EMEM5a and when I ran the high frequency of 789,000 - my machine sounded like it couldn't go that high. There was no light coming from my machine and the noise was so slight. Can this machine handle high frequencies like these??

I was also reading another rife website that states Dr. K feels that many lyme patients have chronic strep that they aren't aware of. And some people were rifing for strep off the CAFL list.
 

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Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Thanks Dan and asummers. I hope it will do the trick. I haven't ruled out also getting an EMEM down the road.

I too worry about strep...particularly for one of my 5 year old boys...he has OCD tics but has tested negative for strep. I do wonder if it is just not showing up in testing.
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Good Deal Tickbattler.. I hope it wokrs out well... I am excited for you.

I have had to lay off the Rife at all since I was in the hospital and recovering.

I got the guts to try it two nights ago and It was sooooo painful to do. I am still dealing with risidual pain from the whole ordeal even after two weeks post discharge.

Not sure if that had something to do with it or if it is because I had to take a 3 week break?

What do you think.

I barely could handle it. I then after a few hours did just detox and healing and organ support and that sure helped it calm down some.

Now I am fearful to do it again but I know it might be helping too.

I ran a new program just for bacterial infections because of this Port Blood Infection but I do not think that was the issue. I ran my other normal programs I have been for Lyme and Parasites and Viruses. I have 3 I run now consistently. And I felt like never before. The pain shotting through my legs and arms and knees and wrists and head and toes and feet and fingers and and neck and back and all over the place.

HAs anyone had shooting pains like all along your nervous system?

I think that is where these buggers are hanging on.. Is that known ?? Do they hang on the nerves or do they just affect the nerves as a reaction??

Anyone know how this works?

Thanks..


OH Good point on the STREP Commment. Before I got sick.. I had STrep throat every 3 weeks for 6 months and that is what precursed my huge illness and bedridden condition forward...

So Thanks for reminding me. I am going to look those up!!!
 

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Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
Spring,

Maybe the blood port infection took alot of work for your immune system and while it was busy with that lyme and co's popped back up again, then when you rifed you hit them?

In any case, be careful and go slow.
 

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Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
I react favorably whenever I ran strep and staph freqs. I don't know why. I've often suspected I have a chronic staph infection hidden somewhere in this old body.

It rears it's ugly head every so often.

Pam
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I am pretty sure Lyme attaches to nerves. That is what brings on Bell's Palsy. I also think that is why my wife can feel the effective frequencies.

Strep is common, and anyone can have it. I was randomly running frequencies to try find out why I was so sick, prior to my Crohn's Diagnosis. I ran strep and had several hits in various parts of the body. I was surprised by that since it was one of the few times I felt a frequency doing something.

It did not resolve my problem, but I never would have guessed I had any Strep in my system.

Dan
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
Dan,
Have you tried running the frequencies for Mycobacterium Tuberculosis, or any of the frequencies that some suggest may be causing Crohn's Disease. Mycobacterium avium subspecies paratuberculosis?

I'm just curious where you are in that regard. Since I was also diagnosed with Crohn's Disease, I now attribute it to tick-born infection having caused my autoimmune illness, but I suspect infectious disease is general the cause of conditions like this.
 

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Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
Dan, which bacteria do you contribute to your Crohn's sx?

Pam
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Yes, I have treated for MAP and a few other suspect pathogens. I had already used MMS, which actually brought me straight out of a flare, so the effect of the frequencies is hard to determine.

There likely is an interplay of several pathogens that exist because of a faulty immune response. My use and the success of MMS suggests this may be the case.

I simply do not have hardly any symptoms to resolve at this time. I have it under control so well it is hard to really tell if any other treatment does anything or not.

I have several potential methods to get me out of any future symptoms, and I would be surprised if one or more of them would not do the trick.

Dan
 

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Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
Very interesting about the strep. My niece, who has Lyme, had frequent strep infections as a child.

As far as Lyme attaching to the nerves, do you mean neuro. through the nerves themselves or the brain or a combo? I have had many neuro problems, but the one I find most interesting is my voice problems. An ENT said it was a neuro effect of Lyme that causes my vocal cords to go in spasms.

I was given a diagnosis of indeterminate colitis (because it skipped my transverse colon), but lately my gastro has been calling it ulcerative colitis. He says because the damage isn't that bad, but it was only the 1st scope that showed it.

Anyway, a long time ago I read where somebody said that Bartonella is the culprit for IBD. Didn't Dr. Fried say that, too? I tested neg. for Bart, so guess it's my Lyme.

My hubby is going to go to my sis' and retrieve my EMEM. I feel bad taking it from her, but since my relapse and the expense of the Bicillin injections, AND everything other part of the treatment is killing me I feel I need to.

Should I try it on my Lyme or no, because I am getting the abx? Or should I just use it to detox and/or use the frx for other infections (like the ones in this thread)?


liz
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
It will not hurt anything to go at the Lyme, but I would try 789,000 Hz and/or 2016 Hz in hopes of hitting something other than Spirochete form.

The ABX will pretty much have eliminated any Spirochete form.

I hope you are drinking Green Tea to help the ABX.

Dan
 

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Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
 
How can one use rife with EMF sensitivuyt? I have it severely, so I am guessing RIFE would not be a good option for me??
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The sensitivity problem may prevent you from using frequency treatments or not. The problem is worse when using a sine RF carrier wave, but many machines either do not use a carrier wave, or you can run it without it.

I would try find a machine to try before buying one for sure. Then you will know for sure. The sensitivity problem seems to always get better as Lyme is reduced, but getting past that problem is not easy.

Dan
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Well, I'm definitely having a flare of some sort. In the beginning of this thread I just had to talk about how great I've been doing and how I'm functioning at 90% - Well not anymore

I'm trying not to look at this as a full blown relapse but I've got about 20 different symptoms all at once right now that I haven't had in a loooong time. Muscle twitches everywhere, feels like bugs are crawling around under my skin, the right side of my face is numb and tingly, eye pain, crazy floaters, headaches coming and going with the wind, severe joint pain in my hips, insomnia, random anxiety and a few other things I'm sure I'm forgetting because the brain fog is back too!

All of this happened after starting coconut oil - that is the only thing I've done differently. I didn't start out slow either. Nope, I thought, "Hmmm, I'm doing so well I think I'll take 3 TBLSP a day. No worries, I'll be fiiiine". Ha!

Not positive that's the culprit but I don't know what else it could be. I rifed last Saturday and had major reactions to all of the Bart frequencies which really surprised me, but no reaction to any Lyme ones. I rifed again last night and had zero reaction to the Bart frequencies and a lot with the Lyme. Soooo, basically I'm totally confused. Maybe they're taking turns?

One thing is for sure - this SUCKS.
 

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Posted by richedie (Member # 14689) on :
 
Where do you buy an economical rife machine? How come I can find no companies on-line? Only thing I can find is site warning against rife as being a total scam.
 

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Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
 
I'm so sorry to hear about the relapse LymeLauren. THIS is why I responded on that one thread saying this crap IS a LIFELONG battle. All these talks about cure/remission never hold up. I hope it turns around soon. Good luck.
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Thanks Seek, I really appreciate it. I believe too that this is likely a lifelong battle for most of us....
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Sorry To hear Lauren. Dang. How long were you at 90 percent? What percent do you guage now? And how fast did it go down to that? Just like a month or two?

Are you doing anything besides rife? or are you planning on just doing rife to try to recoup the ground? Did you stop the coconut oil? Did that help at all?

Gosh I am so sorry. This whole disease sucks bad and I do not wish it on anyone ever... I thick about near every other disease and sometimes wish I had them. Even the deadly ones. I guess the long term suffering gets to me. Sometimes it just makes you feel like you wish at least there might be an end soon.

Well. Hugs and My thoughts are with you... I hope this is a short setback and you will regain your 90 percent very soon. 90 percent is great!!! so you were there not that long ago and I have faith you will return soon...

OUr bodies have memories. I saw a show last night about pain and how after years of pain our minds develop a pain memory and that they are researching how to break that cycle with various visual neuro therpies and that they feel confident that we can teach patients to retrain the brain back again to feel no pain and help the chronic pain sufferers. Pain is and has been a large part of my symptoms and meditation a large part of what helps. So I do believe that it can work. It was just reearch.

But point is that your body has that memory of 90 percent that is still pretty fresh. I hope you bounce back to it soon.
 

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Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
Lauren,

Hang in there it may be just a progression backwards through the infection - as outlined in Rosner's book. I wonder if the coconut oil could have opened some cysts.

Rich,

I think others have posted links throughout this thread where we purchased our machines.

Here is where I bought my two machines:

www.rifelabs.com - they just had a family death so I'm not sure if the son has gotten back up to full production yet.

www.coilmachines.com

I am not affiliated with either.

All My Best!
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
LL28 -- I agree with secondtimearound about the progression backwards theory. Now that you aren't on any abx, these lil' critters are coming out of hiding.

I am not familiar with Coconut Oil and its purpose, but it sure sounds like it did something.

This is the time for you when rife is going to be more important than ever. It sounds like the bugs have come out to play, bart, babs, lyme -- who knows, but I feel you have to be vigilant and rife.

If coconut oil is a cyst buster, then I would rife after b/c what you don't bust could turn into spiro's.

Hang in there.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Look up monolaurin in regards to Coconut Oil.

Richedie there are many different machines out there. The GB-4000, Several EMEM devices. One of the lowest cost devices is made by an individual who makes them at cost.

I will PM you some info, but I will have to do it tomorrow as I have to go to work right now.

Dan
 

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Posted by Deb133 (Member # 18544) on :
 
We have a DT EMEM for my daughter. Easy to use and is very inexpensive. There is about a month wait list.

PM me if you have any questions on this particular machine.

DG
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
I am so far behind and this is so far back in the thread, I am including the entire post.

Thank you, secondtimearound. This makes a lot of sense. It seems folks that use the perl have a diff protocol and I am not sure how to go forward. I dont understand 5 days on and two off. Esp with delayed immune responses.

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Originally posted by secondtimearound:

In my opinion - It really appears to depend on the individual and their immune system.

If you want to try it everyday - that is certainly up to you - I personally wouldn't.

You could rife for other things though.

Three years ago when I first started rife my immune system was in real bad shape so I, actually my wife identified my pattern.

I would rife and 3-4 days later I would be a wreck - so I believe that it took longer for my immune system/body to identify the toxins. Of course this is all opinion/personal experience.

This time after being bitten again I would rife and then herx the next day. Of course I had been completely well for three years with a healthy immune system.

The idea is to kill the active spirochetes, detox and wait for the spirochetes to build up again - this appears to be the case when lyme has converted to the other dormant forms of the bacteria.

I noticed this both times being sick - the first time I had to take my time waiting for it to activate plus I was so sick. This time because it was a new infection I needed/wanted to rife every 2-3 days for the first 8 weeks. Now I haven't had to in the the last 2 weeks. I will tonight and see if I herx - but I don't really have any symptoms at this time so we'll see.

As they activate and you have detoxed the previous toxins you do it over again for as long as it takes.

This has worked for me twice now with the small additions of other treatments - meds,salt/c and this time, 3 days of buhner herbs.

I have done very little outside of the protocol outlined in the lyme and rife book by rosner.

Frequencies:

It would probably be beneficial to do both - run multiple frequencies and individual. I can only run individual frequencies but running the multiple would cover more per treatment, hit the in between ones and save time - This is why I am looking at the GB4000 so I can have the best of both worlds.

All My Best!

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Originally posted by canefan17:


Is that pointless to do after doing an abx treatment and going into remission?

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I didn't Rife until I had been off abx for about 6 months. I didn't even think about it taking me out of remission! EEEKKK!!!

I credit Rife with keeping me off abx.. that and mangosteen.

I need to get back to rifing again.. been lazy over here!!
 

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Posted by NellieK (Member # 23554) on :
 
Having great success with No Rift Rife! See separate post. Yeah!
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Beth -- I have an EMEM machine and I use it up to 30 minutes 4 times a week. I rife for other things besides lyme (babs/bart/detox/parasites/candida, ect).

For example, when I rife for lyme I use all the numbers on the CAFL list. So it can take some time.

I thought the idea was to increase the time as you herx less.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 

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Originally posted by NellieK:
Having great success with No Rift Rife! See separate post. Yeah!

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Originally posted by BTTaylor:
[QB] Can those of you who rife with an EMEM machine- if you have been rifing for close to a year- tell me the amount of total time you are rifing?

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I used to Rife about 30 minutes every two weeks on the EMEM.
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Just wanted to chime in here and say that I'm feeling lot's better. I was caught up in a nasty herx that took a while to clear.

I know I still have some active bugs but my symptoms are greatly reduced since my last treatment.
I plan on rifing again tomorrow and trying to re-start the coconut oil next week.

Beth I've been rifing for about a year now. I rife 3-4 times a week also (mostly for parasites this often) Lyme about once a week sometimes going as long as 2 weeks. When I rife for Lyme it's usually between 30 and 40 minutes per session.
 

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Posted by lifeline (Member # 3445) on :
 
I also rife for approximately 30-45 minutes at a time about every week, sometimes 10 days apart.

Mine is an EMEM from DT, and I love it. Just like Lymetoo, I also credit my staying off abx due to rifing.

I just need to start on parasites, I think, from what I'm reading here.

This thread is excellent reading.

lifeline
 

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Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I started getting a little tinnitus, just a touch on waking, which i think started after doing the Dental Foci channel #200.

Then today one ear started fading out at times during several hours, but stopped after drinking more water.

Was it because i did 3 min total on lyme today, including 2 min on 2016? Was it released mercury affecting the ears? Or was it something to do with the Dental Foci frequencies? Or was it a reaction to one minute on a Bartonella groups channel?

It seems i'm getting reactions, possibly, to all the bugs: Bart, Babs, Lyme, Candida, Dental; but the herxy feelings seem to all clear within 24 hours.

Does that seem like a correct analysis?

Thanks for insight,

----Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Polly,

Most people I've spoken to herx about 24 hours after rifing...but I know according to Bryan Rosners book herx reactions are as different and varied as the people using the machines. The fact that you feel bad right after rifing THEN feel better later is still indicitive of a herx. Sounds like you may have excellent detox pathways and your body is cleaning up the mess really quick.
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Im going to be really dense.. so sorry..

I am so confused about this perl and how to use. I am still told to use 5 days a week even if for 2-5 minutes a day then two days off..

wont that put Bb into cyst form even if I can handle the detox?

Are you all finding that running multiple frequencies is best later in treatment? Do you do that at all?

I can see sweeping as being beneficial and hitting many frequencies in general sound like a good idea to me... except for maybe lyme. ???

A general health frequency is recommended first. It targets organs and staph, strep... a few other things cant remember. That sounds like a good idea, but ????

I am just thrown off here.. It doesnt help to hear contradictory info. Its driving me nuts, feeling so confused.

How the heck are you all who have a perl using it? I am guessing I can create a bank with just one frequency?

I am beginning to regret the purchase. I got a great deal on a used one, but I am so confused how to proceed. Esp when support is telling me info that totally is diff from what I have been reading for the last two plus years.

Thanks so much..
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
You can try their method and if it is too much for you go the way most people use it.

The frequencies will not put it into cyst form, but it will eventually remove all of the Spirochete form, and then you have to wait for it to convert from cyst form into Spirochete form to kill it effectively.

That is not going to happen until you have used it for a longer time, unless you have just got off antibiotics.

The PERL is no different than any other machine, so you are not required to use it any particular way. I do not like canned methods of treatment. We all respond differently and have to make adjustments.

Take one way of using it of your choosing and see how it works for you. You have to start somewhere. Adjust based on your reaction. If it is not working well that way, try the other way.

Sometimes you just have to adapt as you go. Let us know how it goes. The right way is the way that works for you. You will find that out with experience.

Dan
 

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Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
R62,

It may seem like it is confusing but try and relax. You have to decide how you want to treat yourself, everyone progresses differently.

The PERL manufacturer told my friend the same thing - use it 5 days and two days off.

He did this at first and then changed his plan.

He chose to make up his own frequency bank and just use that one based on the main numbers that most people have listed here.

If it were me (my opinion only) - I would make up a sweep consisting of the popular numbers listed throughout this thread and run that one.

I would also experiment with individual freqs to see if I could notice any reaction.

This is a long long process for most so hang in there and keep a documented journal to help you remember.

I agree with Dan - it should not force lyme into a cyst form.

All MY Best!
 

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Posted by daphnesmom (Member # 22267) on :
 
Just thought I would jump in here to say that if anyone has a rife machine they would like to sell I would be interested.


 

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Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
What if the coinfection frx also treats Lyme, should that one be avoided between the 2 wks?

My sis is bringing back my Rife machine Tues. All of you have got me so excited to do it!

liz
 

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Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
I have another question (I know that comes as a shock ). What kind of things do you keep in a journal?

I had a journal of sorts, but I know it wasn't a good one. I don't think it contained enough info, but I don't want to require so much info that I don't keep it up. I am not good, at all, in keeping journals to begin with.

Thanks again,

liz
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
A journal entry should be basic and not more than a paragraph at most. You may include brief notes of symptoms which worsened (main ones), the frequencies you used, how long the duration was, and how long inbetween the present treatment and the last treatment was.

That's pretty basic, and probably a reasonable foundation to start with.
 

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Posted by BTTaylor (Member # 14342) on :
 
Thanks to all who replied to my question about the length of time to rife as the months go by. However why is it that you should rife only every 10-14 days for lyme and you can do it a lot more often for co-infections such as babesia, bartonella and the others. That doesn't make since to me. Don't the co-infections let off toxins as well? Where is info to show this?

I am learning that some of you who can rife weekely or daily must be further into rifing and also your body detoxes quickly. Then also a person needs to learn if their body is reacting to the toxins of the dead lyme or are you reacting to just the living lyme in your system. I haven't quite figured that out yet.

Before I first started rifing I asked myself what quality of life did I have after being on antibiotics and not improving as much as I thought I should. Not much. It was scaring me more to be on antibiotics long term than to try rifing. I so wish we had a manual on rifing. At least we have Rosner's book to refer to but even with that there are so many variables that affect people differently. So I continue on.... Beth
 

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Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
R62, I had a naturopathic doc that thought I should use my Beam Ray rife everyday M-F off on weekends.

I was her first lyme patient and did I ever teach her a thing or two. Early on after coming off 3 yrs of abx there was no way I could use rife daily without killing myself.

I was a walking talking dying toxin. Had to do tons of detoxing and still do. I finally settled in at rife sessions every two weeks.

I'm able to focus on other protocols with my machine, but I still don't rife for lyme and more than once a week.

Pam
 

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Posted by dogmom2 (Member # 23822) on :
 
pamoisondelune, can you keep us posted on your tinnitus? I had tinnitus already(zithromax), but got a new sound in both ears when I tried a computer-based rife machine 3 weeks ago, and it hasn't faded yet.

Thanks, diana
 

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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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BTTaylor:

partial answer to your question is that lyme is one of the most toxic infections known to man. Some say second (or third) only to botulism - or antrax.

So, yes, the toxins/die-off from lyme ARE much stronger than from other tick-borne infections and, added to that, the debris from the broken up spirochetes themselves, it's just a tremendous amount for the kidneys and liver to filter out.

Still, your question about die-off from other infections- and from the killing of those - is a good one. Maybe others will have light to shine on all that.

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www.townsendletter.com/FebMar2006/lyme0206.htm

From the Townsend Letter for Doctors & Patients, February/March 2006

BIOCHEMISTRY OF LYME DISEASE: BORRELIA BURGDORFERI SPIROCHETE / CYST

by Prof. Robert W. Bradford and Henry W. Allen

Excerpts:

. . . A discovery of great importance relating to a toxin produced by the causative agent of Lyme disease, Borrelia burgdorferi, has been linked to a similar toxin produced by the organism Clostridium botulinum (botulism). . . .

. . . The toxin from Bb belongs to a family of toxic proteins known as "zinc endoproteinases" or metalloproteases, and includes the toxin from the organism causing tetanus as well as those from many other well-known infectious diseases. . . .

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Wow to that Keebler..

Pam, Dan, Second... thank you!

I am very neuro lately since this fall and this is not easy to focus.

Im going to bullet point to help me sort this out.

(1) Keep a notebook

(2) Start with one frequency and see what happens or a bank of how many? Then the usual start time is a about what with a perl like device.. for a frequency or bank?? I as told 2- 5 minutes with the bank (which I am thinking means you dont get all the frequencies in the bank unless you have progammed several at 30 seconds... )

(3) Once I do a session.. wait two weeks and at least one week to see what happens since my immune system may not respond right away.. then as long as it takes for the herx to clear.

(4) I can do other settings like the General Health setting of lymph etc.. on any day, but keep the lyme 1-2 weeks apart, at least to begin with.

(5) Do you recommend rifing for other bugs in the beginning?

thank you... Robin
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Does rifing hit more than abx? Does one session of rifing equal a week of abx for example..

I have been on a pulsed protocol (for only two months) with omnicef and biaxin on MWF for three weeks and one week off.

This second month, I had to stop at two weeks on.. my head was so stuffed literally, sinuses and neuro symptoms very bad.. which have cleared a good deal since off this week.

This technique sounds like rifing only we are putting some bugs into cyst form. But you are not allowing the bugs to encyst so that you are symptom free.. I am herxing the weeks I am on even on my off days. There are no clear days like when I was on ceftin for a lower respiratory infection and one day felt like I was almost normal.

How do you have good days when rifing.. if the bugs never encyst as much as they will on long term abx.. then how do you have good days?
 

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Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
Ok lets try this another way:)

Here are the frequencies I used the first time and the second time I was sick:

21,27,306,432,612,800,918,4200,5,000 and 10,000 -these were all I used for lyme and detox.

I used 832 for bart and 76,570,1584, for babs.(not sure that I even had these but it felt like it) I did have ehrliciosis but doxy wiped that out.

I started out just doing a couple at a time and keeping notes - real simple ones like MB suggested.

I did not go slow the first time I was sick and really hurt myself because I did not know how to detox properly and my body couldn't detox that fast anyway. That is why everyone suggests 1,2 or for some, 3 weeks in between treatments.

"How do you have good days when rifing.. if the bugs never encyst as much as they will on long term abx.. then how do you have good days?"

It's kind of rough in the beginning especially for someone not on meds (My doc stopped all meds so I had no choice). I use to rife - feel like crap (neuro and fatique) and around the third or fourth day I would be crying like a baby - I honestly couldn't stop it but I always felt a little better because it felt like my head cleared out a little.

I'd wait a couple more days and do it all over again. The first 3-4 months it seemed like I was in a constant herx.

When I went back to work I tried to time it as best I could because I didn't want to be crying on the construction sites - I got pretty lucky that way.

"Does rifing hit more than abx? Does one session of rifing equal a week of abx for example.."

For me - I herxed REALLY bad on flagyl and zithromax and pretty good on doxy. My herxes with the meds were almost identical to the ones I got while rifing. Totally worn out and then an emotional wreck around the 3rd or 4th day.

The new bite I just had in October I rifed 2 times a week and added in some meds and herbs but I felt that I had a low bacterial load. It still took me until Christmas to feel close to 100%

All My Best!
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
I am calming down a little here. Thank you, second.

I think I must have gotten the impression the perl works differently and am getting from Dan it does not.. same concept and will go with the slow and paced. It threw me with the 5 day deal.

What do you all think of running the General Health bank (before addressing lyme) for a few weeks 5 days on 2 off. It supposedly acts as a test for detox reactions (for one) and balances body systems.

(this has been recommended for the perl before lyme treatment)

It seems like a bit much to me, but I dont really know...

It addresses the following:

ecoli, herpes, staph, strep, candida, fibromyalgia, muscles, tremors, kidney, skin lymph, chronic fatigue, blood, nerve disorders, liver issues, digestion issues, autoimmune issues, cold and flu, parasites, fungus and mold.

I can see addressing body systems, detox organs, but the pathogens all at once as well?

[ 01-30-2010, 11:50 PM: Message edited by: R62 ]
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
How can one frequency do all this?

120 - Anal_itching, Arthritis_1, Arthritis_general, Arthritis_1, Asthma_2, Backache_and_spasms_1, Bed_wetting, Bone_spurs, Cancer, Cancer_breast, Cancer_general_1, Cancer_maintenance_secondary, Candida, Chronic_fatigue_syndrome, Cold_3, Complete_early_crane, Complete_early_rife, Dental_infection_2, Diverticulitis_acute, Eczema, Emphysema, Emphysema_comp, Fatigue_general, Fibromyalgia, Fibromyalgia_1, Fibromyalgia_2, Fibromyalgia_TR, General_antiseptic, General_demo, General_prog_Blaster5, Immune_system_stimulation, Kidney_stimulation_TR, Moles, Morgellons_disease_TR, Multiple_sclerosis_4, Multiple_sclerosis_6, Muscle_tonic, Muscles_to_relax, Myositis, Parasites_enterobiasis, Parasites_filariose, Parasites_general_1, Parasites_general_2, Parasites_general_comprehensive, Parasites_general_short_set, Parasites_roundworms_comp, Parasites_roundworms_general, Rabies, Rhinitis, Ringworm, Sinusitis_1, Sleeping_sickness, Sore_throat_comp, Tetanus, Throat_tickle_chronic, Warts_plantar
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
R62 -- In the beginning of your rife 'journey' it will be a slow process b/c you are trying to figure out what frequencies work for you.

For example: Last week I ran the syphilis numbers and got no reaction. Then I waited two days and ran 72 & 120 for parasites and was knocked over.

So I marked that in my journal that these parasite numbers will be in my weekly rotation. Then today I ran the Malaria frequencies and herxed right away with those. So those will be added to my weekly rife schedule. When I am done herxing from today, I will try out the EBV numbers, and so on.

It is a slow process, but IMO you need to run the sets of frequenices separately at first to see how your body reacts. You don't want to run a bunch of different frequency sets and have a reaction and not know which of the sets caused the herx. you would be wasting your time.

My journal consists of the date, frequency numbers, duration of each frequency and reaction (herx) when it started and how long herx lasted.

Once you start to rife enough, you will begin to listen to your body and know when it is alright to rife again.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
One frequency probably does not do all that is claimed. All of these frequencies come from various sources. Some reliable, some not.

I just assume that a frequency has a chance of doing as it is supposed to. Until I get a measurable result, I kind of expect it will not work.

But some of the Lyme frequencies do work, and I can measure and repeat that result.

Dan
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
R62,

Asummers just gave you excellent advice. Start with one or two freq. at a time and document what kind of reaction you had - that's the smartest way to go.

Change of subject: I rifed again yesterday and tried 72 and 120 for the first time ever (I only used these 2 freq) and ran them for 6 minutes each.

OUCH. I had a knarly herx today. Just very achey and toxic feeling. I've downed over a gallon of water since and it's starting to ease off. I'm excited that I had such a good reaction and will definitely be using these 2 again.
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
One frequency.. 612. OK. Thank you.

One more thing to grind out.. so sorry..I was told to start with the General Healing bank as I mentioned above. This is not a lyme bank, rather it hits a bunch of bugs and targets organs for support. Does this make sense to you all to hit these bugs first? I can see targeting organs for detox and support as a general cleansing, supportive thing before starting a protocol, but this seems a bit much and for over and hour for 5 days in a row:

It addresses the following:

ecoli, herpes, staph, strep, candida, fibromyalgia, muscles, tremors, kidney, skin lymph, chronic fatigue, blood, nerve disorders, liver issues, digestion issues, autoimmune issues, cold and flu, parasites, fungus and mold.

Can lyme folks do this kind of bank esp for that long and consequtively and survive?

(promise not to continually be posting like this.. extremely cold feet here)

Robin
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The conditions mentioned in the general healing bank are quite common infections. I do not think it would hurt to try it out. Quite often you can tell if something is being hit. I had a reaction to Strep that was quite obvious, although it was not causing me any problem that I know of.

I have run hundreds of different frequencies for various pathogens, and have only had a reaction to a couple of them. While you do not always feel an effective frequency, if you do feel it, you can be pretty sure you are hitting something.

A person just does not normally feel any frequency in these ranges.

Start out with a minute or less with any frequency and work up. It is just a general rule if you have Lyme.

I prefer to do things very deliberately and methodically. I run frequencies for one pathogen at a time. Then I have a better chance of determining if it is something I have, and if the frequency for that pathogen actually works.

The DNA XMRV frequencies had a very obvious effect on myself. I ran them the first time and had sore intestines after.

Later runs of the same frequencies produced the same effect, but to a lesser degree. Eventually I could not feel it at all.

My adult son had the same reaction, my daughter had no reaction, my wife developed Shingles from the frequencies.

If I would have been running multiple frequencies for various pathogens, I would not have had a clear picture of what I was hitting, or what caused the effects of the treatment.

In the end, I still do not know if the frequencies helped me in any way, but I am pretty sure I had XMRV and also my son. I am pretty sure my wife and daughter did not have it. My wife has Lyme, so as far as I can tell, XMRV is not playing a role in her disease.

Dan
 

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Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
I thought only syphilis and Lyme could make you herx literally? If that is so, what are the other symptoms from cleansing, detoxing,...?

I found it hard to figure out what frx might have been helping me, because I only had one obvious herx. It was the 1st time I rifed and I only did it 30 secs.

But since I had herxed terribly on doxy. and a good bit with salt/C it made me nervous. Now, that I am on abx and find I have very mild or no herx, but continue to improve I won't get so nervous about not herxing with rifing.

So, the problem is it will be hard to gauge feeling better with one frx and in such a short time, and so ironing down frx. Any suggestions?

Ok, now I want to see if I got this straight. I should rife for Lyme every 1 or 2 wks, but in between I can rife for anything else and I can cleanse at any time?

Dan, when you say one frx how often do you run it (every day, every other day,...)? When do you stop running it? I imagine when you don't have a response any longer.

liz
 

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Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I've graduated to using the Amplifier now.

Today i did 7 min total including 612 ,2016, and 464, 1 min each, also 3 min on Bartonella groups (which i had no obvious symptoms of), and 1 minute on Filarial worms group (tick borne). I did the Filarial worms yesterday too. My guts are a lot better, mabybe because of this.

Now i'm feeling the current or reaction to the current only on the scalp at the top of the head.
My reactions have changed so fast! First on the forehead only, then in the head only and not the forehead, now only on the top of the scalp.

Why?? what does that mean? I wish Selma were here--- she always had an explanation, an interpretation.

One day i zapped only on Candida frx and put the foot plates on my abdomen, and felt nothing at all in the head.

My PLAN is to gradually go OFF ANTIBIOTICS.

Does this plan look good? I'll start by skipping the abx every other day, but rifing on 612 and 2016 every day. That way any bugs that come out of cysts in 24 hours will get zapped; the purpose of the abx being not to kill bugs, but to keep the lyme in their cysts.

Then i'll skip the abx for 2 days, then for 3 days, while rifing on 612 and 2016 every day, to catch any early-emerging spirochetes; and so forth for longer and longer intervals. The purpose of this is so i don't get swarmed with 10,000 emerging cysts all at once; to pick them off little by little.

Does this jive with lyme biology? i should review that first.

I have no idea how many cysts i have, since i took GSE Grapefruit Seed Extract 3 times a day for 2 or 3 years, but never took Flagyl or Tindamax.

dogmom, i didn't get any more tinnitus, sorry.

I had a slew of eye and ear pains last two days; now i feel good today, herx hasn't started yet today.

Eye pains can be from lyme, babs, or bart. I don't know if it was a herx or what. I've had that before, it's not new, a whole series of eye pains over a couple of days. What does it mean? I wish some magician could analyze for me, what the eye pains are; i was on abx that day, so the lyme would be in its cysts, wouldn't it?

---Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
The general health setting has so many frequencies that it is impossible to do it for just a few seconds. In fact they say if you have to stop, make sure to continue and complete within 4 hours.

I cannot imagine using a machine as long as the protocols call for. You'd be sitting in front of a rife machine all day.

Unfortunately the progen frequency generator does not scan frequencies simultaneously. You hve to purchase more progens to hook up and run together.

Dan and all, have you found the need to run simultaneous freqencies as the GB4000 does?

I am thinking not.. it looks like most of you hit a handful at most and consecutively not simultaneously (?) and run for 30 minutes or so at most and you work up to that?

The detox support settings can cause a "herx" like feeling because you are moving toxins out, I am assuming?

Do regular support settings like liver or lymph cause a "herx" like reaction?

When you run a supportive of detox frequency, do you also start with seconds of time.. how do you gauge that.. also other pathogens that do not cause herx reactions.. how do you gauge time?
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
A herx and a Cytokine reaction are hard to distinguish from each other. The first is a reaction from an actual toxic substance and the second is an immune system response to a pathogen. The symptoms are very similar.

I run frequencies every day when trying to eliminate a pathogen. Since I do not have Lyme, that is not a problem. I usually run each frequency for five minutes, but I have run them much longer, if I have time. For non Lyme frequencies, five minutes is a good starting point.

I do wait until I no longer have a response, but that does not really mean it is completely gone, so I will run it on occasion, just to be sure.

I used to run eight frequencies at once, but now that I have isolated specific frequencies that do the job, I only use a handful of frequencies.

Running eight at a time did work, but each frequency only has one eighth of the power of running one single frequency.

I will run eight at a time when treating the Flu or something with a huge number of frequencies. Since you do not know which strain or the specific frequency that will work. I also run the GB-4000 in Channel Sweep Mode to sweep all of the frequencies at the same time.

Dan
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
I think I may be getting it. Thank you.

There is only so much power. If you run simultaneous frequencies, you are sharing the power between the frequencies.

This is fine for dealing with certain infections or organ support, detox and esp like a flu when you dont know which frequencies will work and dont want to sit in front of a rife machine all day running sequential frequencies.

For lyme and company (Or just lyme?), we want to use full power so one frequency at a time and select out the frequencies we need, which we can create a personalized bank for.

How do you use the organ support, detox frequencies.. 5 minutes to start and possibly per treatment as a general rule unless treating lyme and does that include co infections?

Are there any co-infections frequencies that also need to be started with less then 5 min?

The GB sounds very handy.

Thanks so much..

Robin
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
How do you all rife with family members in the same house.. room.. esp with a device that has a range that might cover half or more of your house?

I'm thinking we all get exposed from the beginning and work up together or I have to find some time alone in one corner of the house and make them stay at the other end, which is not going to be easy around here.
 

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Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Dan-- Thank you so much for revealing that each frequency in a simultaneous group of 8 frequencies
gets only 1/8 power!!! That's the first time i ever heard that!! i feel a bit gypped. Did i miss that in the manual somewhere?

Is that information found in the books by Brian Rosner and Nenah Sylver? should i buy the books ?

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I didn't get ANY Herx from 7 min rifing yesterday, so i did 31 min today.

Thank you for the information---

---Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I learned that from the designer of the GB. It also has been discussed on the Rife Forum.

I do not remember it being in Brian's book, but it has been a while since I read it.

Even at the lower power level, it seems to work OK, but it is something to be aware of for tough bacteria like Lyme.

Brian's book is good as an introduction to Lyme disease and the various treatments used. I think it is worth while for anyone new to Lyme Disease.

I am still reading Nenah's book. It has a great deal of information on all kinds of subjects, and I have learned a lot.

It is a one of a kind book, and really is probably the best book on medicine from the alternative point of view, I have ever read.

I am glad I bought it, and have not been disappointed in any of it so far.

It is expensive, but you just are not going to get much of this information from anywhere else. It has an amazing amount of information.

Dan
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
I also like Sylver's book. Expensive as hell, but worth it for any serious Rifer. It is also where I learned about the DNA frequencies like you did.
 

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Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
My plan is working perfectly! Significant treatment capability!

NO ANTIBIOTICS Sunday or Monday. I rifed 31 minutes Monday a.m. early. By Monday afternoon the pressure in my head was building up, continuing through evening.

(Pressure build-up is the usual symptom i feel upon stopping abx, and it starts in a day or two. I've done this in the past, and the pressure continues to worsen, till after a few days or a week, i really can't stand it.)

Another symptom was a fluttery feeling in the chest, but the pulse was normal.

The pressure build-up told me that the lyme (or other??) was coming out of cysts. If they are live and loose, i'm not going to let them grow and multiply! So i decided to rife again Monday evening, even though i haven't heard of rifing twice in one day. I agree with Dan, not liking canned treatments. The bugs are out, vulnerable, kill them!

I intended to rife maybe 5 min each on 612 and 2016. As soon as my head felt the 612, it said, "yes! yes!"; it felt like the right current is hitting the right target. The pressure began subsiding; i got relief while rifing. My head told me that 2 minutes was enough on each frx. The pressure was relieved and gone during rifing. Afterwards my head and also eyes felt greatly relieved. They felt good.

But the fluttery chest feeling did not subside. It was scary thinking of loose spirochetes around my heart. So i decided to take an antibiotics dose to either kill them or send them back to cysts, because I already had enough future toxins and herxing coming to deal with in the next day or two or three. I didn't want to continue treating active bugs, since i had just treated enough bugs for now.

So i took abx, and went to bed. For the next hour i felt the fluttery feelings, which in bed i recognized as the "invisible tremors" or fasciculations. That's a scary or unpleasant lyme symptom. One hour after taking abx, this feeling stopped.

The SIGNIFICANCE is that i can TREAT MYSELF in REAL TIME. I can FEEL the attacking SYMPTOMS, I can TREAT them IMMEDIATELY, I can FEEL IMMEDIATE RESPONSE, and i can FEEL when to STOP.

I KNOW what's happening and can TREAT IMMEDIATELY. That was the great advantage Selma had in her self-treatments. I can't identify the pathogen as much as Selma did, though.

People say lyme is slow-growing! So why do i feel something growing after a day and a half? This is consistent with me; over years, it's always been like that. People say that if you relapse fast, it's bartonella. But other doctors say that lyme can come out of cysts very fast; so it's a dispute about facts.

This is a variety of off-and-on pulsing, except i get to choose the timing! One LLMD forced me to go off abx for 2 weeks at a time, to follow the schedule of 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off. But i felt terrible and very resentful, when i could feel the bugs coming out in 24 hours and making me worse, and i'm supposed to follow the RULE based on inaccurate (?) FACTS, and just suffer for 2 weeks because it's a STANDARD, "canned" treatment not adjusting to my symptoms.

So my treatment schedule worked and i plan to repeat it--- when i FEEL head pressure building up, rife; then deal with herxes in the next few days.

---Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed

[ 02-02-2010, 05:57 PM: Message edited by: pamoisondelune ]
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I have never used any organ support or detoxing frequencies. I just could not quite grasp how anyone could have determined a frequency for organ support.

We really never needed to focus on detox much. The couple of times we did, it was using Burbur.

I do think detox can be a very big obstacle for some people, preventing them from improving.

I would think the frequencies that stimulate the Lymph Gland's would be beneficial, but I have never used them. Some electrotherapy devices focus on just stimulating the Lymphatic system, so it may be fairly important to those who do not detox well.

As with most everything with this type of treatment, the user will have to determine what works for them and what does not.

Dan
 

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Posted by daphnesmom (Member # 22267) on :
 
Has anyone been using Rife, who has has EBV? I am wondering if there is any negative or positive effect.
 

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Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
Interesting experience on detox and organ support for me.

I have had several bad days in a row. I just felt so toxic, achey, exhausted and bad headaches. I had thought maybe it was just from rifampin I had started about 4 weeks ago?

Yesterday I couldn't handle feeling crappy anymore and turned to my rife machine. I ran 10,000 for 5 minutes and followed up with 465 for 5 minutes.

Spent the evening in toxic h#ll, mind and body were exhausted last night so I went to bed early. Bed early and up early has been a new experience since starting rifampin.

About 30 minutes after awakening this morning my stomach was cramping so bad. Yes, after the body function.....I felt like a different woman. The obvisious result was the horrible toxic BM. How embarassing, but true.


I completely felt relieved, energized and so different today. So the detox freq got something moved out.

Pam
 

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Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
 
This is such a long thread and I apologize as I am sure it's probably here...

But has anyone here ever done about one year of abx( a long course) and then stopped for about a year and then the symptoms start to creep back and then you decided to use rife(instead of abx) and has the rifing helped?

Have the results using rife been better than any other results that you noticed while on or after using the abx?

Has it been noticeably better than when you used the abx???

I am considering buying a rife machine, but have used abx first.
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Polly -- just read your last post. Really interesting! Good for you, that you are listening to your body.

You have given me some ideas about when to rife. For example after taking certain abx or after a rife session to do a coffee enema.

Thanks and I look forward to your next posts.
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Daphnesmom -- My titers for EBV are very high. And fatigue is my worst symptom.

I have noticed that there are EBV frequencies, but I haven't gotten around to trying them out yet.

I do know there are DNA frequencies for XMRV -- which some say is the cause of CFS. I was going to try them out this month.
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Last night, 612 for 20 seconds plus a few to turn off the machine.

This afternoon, severe breathlessness.. i hate it when its in my lungs, tachy... low grade fever. Had to stop my myers IV because symptoms were either triggered by it or just the herx symptoms.

Anyone herx where you feel breathless and have tachtycardia? Lost all color in my face for hours.

Also noticed my blood was very dark.. the man across from me had this beautiful cherry red blood.. mine slow and dark. Came home and took serraptase since it helps with lungs as well as blood.

I do take 2 nattokinase or serraptase a day, but thinking when toxins are out, the blood might need more enzyme support?

Thick blood causes breathlessness? I prefer the flu like herxes. This is pressure in my chest and feelin pretty ucky.

Any ideas what to do? Sound like a herx?
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Thanks for all the great info.. Out of town for a good long week and will be re reading them

I have not seen any information from Blue on any start or progress or reports on experience. Blue have you started??

I am off all IV now as of 6 days ago.... I am taking this weeek to calm my body and let things settle and heal. After the hospital visit and treatments and taking out a port and now picc, my body is a big exausted as you might imagine.

Good news is I am tired but do not feel so sick and ill like I used to. I have cleared a lot of infection out of me. I now am focused on how to get my overall fatigue and pain to follow. I have bot still but I can sense that those will take longer to leave. I have windows and days where it better than in a long time. If I had not ended up in the hospital I think I would have progressed more by now. Also that H1N1 flu I got back in Nov.

I did a rife session last week and after that blood infection the rifing experience has been a bit painful. Looking forward to moving beyond that.

I definately think the detox programs work. They work for me. I am suprised that people like dan not only do not use it or them but do not seem to believe or see how they could.

For me rife is a much bigger picture than just killing bugs, Our bodies are all made up of energy and our organs are part of that. I believe We all work best at a certain energy or frequency or harmonic or whatever... I think f it makes a lot of sense that you can affect certain areas of the body with the rife. Think of accupuncture and the chi energy and how the Flow of energy keeps organs healthy and moving and working well. Ever had a accupuncture treatment where you feel your stomach and digestion start to move dramatically during or after. The energy can get stagnant. I so hugely think that rife has helped me so far just as much with detox and energy flow ... as it does with affecting the bugs I have. As a matter of fact i think moreso and that is what motivates me to keep using it.
While herxing too on any modality including rife. The rife helps so much.
My rife has the ray tubes and I heard recently from a professional how much that is better than just a rife with just electrodes ... (feet and hand plates and holders). Also that direct contact of the tubes and completing the curcuit is better than sitting in front of the stand along plasma machines and devices...

Food For Thought.

Glad to see this thread thriving and growing and great experiences and details of all of you help so many. No thread like this have I see online really and not on lymenet.
Great Work..

I love it.

How are the 72 120 numbers going for those using them? Those protozoans are not to be ingored IMO

Blessings...
And Love and Light and Healing Energy To All
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Question. How do you tell a herx?

The symptoms I had: breathlessness; a low grade fever that would vascilate back and forth 99.1 highest, but I run low around 97.9- low 98s regularly; slight achyness, feelign unstable physically..

Fever gone in hours and went to bed with the heaviness in the chest. Achyness, which was not as stong as some herxes I have had, also gone within hours?

If a herx.. what does this mean?

I did take extra serraptase (in hopes to thin the blood.. wondering if thick toxic blood can be a cause of breathlessness).

This also started or seemed to start when I was getting my myers cocktail. I have had in the past shakiness and light headededness from myers in the past but not a low grade fever..???

It doesnt add up caused by myers or rife.

Thank you for any insights.

Spring.. I have a KMT that uses electrodes and it has settings for the ANS, meridian balance.. others. There are other machines out there that also address harmonizing the body, right? So seems possible.. ?? The KMT and LEDs are said to help raise ATP as well.. not sure how with the KMT, electrical stimulation?
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Spring, your mailbox is full!
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
A fever can mean that now that some Lyme was damaged or killed, the immune system can now see the bacteria and is responding. There also are so many possible co-infections that it is impossible to say anything for sure, until you have eliminated most of them.

I have accidentally run into information on Tachycardia and quite a few people are saying either Magnesium or Potassium seems to either improve this condition or eliminate it entirely. But, these are not Lyme patients so there may be a difference.

I do not use detox frequencies, mostly because we have not needed them. I do not know that they do not work, or that they do work. I have not tried them to any degree. I am relying on your experiences to shed light on that.

What I am most skeptical of is Organ Balancing frequencies. First of all, what does that mean? And how would you measure if your organs are balanced or not? What are the symptoms of unbalanced organs?

As I said before, I am a natural skeptic. I do not rule anything out, but I do need some kind of reasonable way to measure if something works or not. Conveniently, I have no way to even define organ balancing, much less test to see if it can balance organs.

If someone can inform me on what this means and how it is defined, maybe it can be cleared up. Like I also have said, I do not know everything, and never will. But I will always be skeptical, if I have no possible way to test something.

Dan
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Dan, I'm really appreciate that you are skeptical, methodical and go by results. I am skeptical and have not had the nerve to try (rifing) until now, and still I am very nervous.

I did not see a diff using the KMT when using the lymph setting. I have noticed a diff from either B12 and or magnesium, glutathione with B12 shots, nasal glut, meyer's IV.

I don't understand how "they" have come up with any of the frequencies for anything beyond what Doug tested with his microscope and the more historical frequencies that were actually seen.

How did the rest of the frequencies, pathogen or detox support, etc come about?

Who "regulates" that?

Same for the DNA frequencies.

What if you rife, disable bugs then feel herxy but dont really kill off enough to make a difference? If that is possible, then you cant really judge progress by herxing (unless you get slammed, I guess).. ??

My concern is that my immune system cannot finish them off. What do you all do for that?

Robin
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I think a functioning immune system is vitally important to any Lyme treatment. I still believe that the immune system does most of the work in eliminating slightly damaged bacteria. I do not think most of it just blows up. People will Herx in a matter of hours if that does happen.

I do not know how you go about building up your immune system, because I never had to deal with it. Low Dose Naltrexone is what i use to make my own immune system work more normally, and that is one option. I do think proper nutrition is important and lots of minerals, but beyond that, I do not know.

The frequencies are reported by people who have a lot of experience treating with frequencies. Of course the more people that report a given frequency for a condition, the more credibility it has. There are a few doctors that use this treatment, and they do report what has worked for them. Brian McInturf keeps the CAFL list and I am not sure what criteria he uses.

The CAFL list 676 Hz for H-Pylori and it has an asterisk by it. This means it has been used by many people for resolving this infection, including myself. It has credibility because it has been done repeatedly by different people.

I worry about people that have had Lyme for many years, and the ability to gain on the reproduction rate. I am concerned that it may be very difficult to get ahead of the curve in that situation. In that case in particular, it may be better to use antibiotics to kill as much as you can, and hopefully attenuate some of it to slow reproduction. And then try kill the rest off by other means.

That is just speculation, but a person can only take so much die off at a time, and there are plenty of examples of people who can't seem to get better no matter what treatment they use. These are the people I am worried about, because until that problem is resolved, they are not going to improve.

We need to figure out how to go about correcting that situation and what can help. Maybe the detox frequencies can do the job, but we do not know at this time.

Even a person who is in relatively good physical condition can pretty much count on six months of suffering before the frequency treatments bring some noticeable improvement.

The DNA frequencies are based on mathematical calculation based on the DNA sequencing of a pathogen, and the space between the genetic material. It is quite precise, and has worked often enough that I believe they are accurate.

Accurate just means that the DNA frequencies do impact the organism, but does not mean it will always damage it enough to eliminate it. I think it depends on the organism and the form it is in.

On the plus side, I am learning much more now, than prior to this thread. I am glad that others are reporting their results. Good or bad.

Dan
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Thank you, Dan. This is very helpful.

I am either herxing again tonight two days after treatment or flaring in the PM with a slight fever.

Its a little scary, actually. Its in my lungs, chest, upper back, neck, some head... ears even.. stuffy. Feel like I could pass out at times. I miss herxes (if thats what this is) that "just" feel like the flu.

I rifed in the PM and two days following have been achey and running a low grade fever in the two consequtive PMs (just 99ish but thats higher for me since I dont run a normal temp).

This is my second year after diagnosis. I was fucntional when diagnosed. Did OK for a year on abx and mepron for 6 months, followed by a busted gut and salt c for a summer. Then following that downhill to today.

I started a pulsed abx protocol 2 months ago based on Dr Js (NC now in DC) protocol. ABX MWF three weeks and one week off. I am wondering if I should continue that for a while. He has used this protocol for the last 3 years exclusively and it is modeled after his work with HIV patients. The pulsing helps the immune system plus takes into account the slow growth rate for Bb as well as the cyst form.

I had to take the third week off this second month because of inflammation in sinuses and brain.. that did go down in a week.. Due back on Monday and debating whether to do the pulsed protocol only for a while longer, rife or do both.

It does sound a bit like rifing, doesnt it?

I also wonder about following the rife session with silver or herb or abx. It would have to be pulsed. Rife then antimicrobial then off time to bring cysts back out.. ??
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
We did try pulsing with Cumanda, Samento and Rife, early on, but it did not seem to work too good for us. I ended up just using Frequency treatments.

I had no clue what I was doing then, so that could have been the problem.

The sinus frequencies have drained my wife's sinuses on more than one occasion. I also remember one time it did not work. You reminded me that this was a problem at one time.

Yeah, the results of both treatments sound similar, and really they should if both are doing something.

I have never used Silver, because I do not like its ability to kill all bacteria, good or bad. And I am not sure if it ever leaves the body, but I am no expert on it.

Do what your gut tells you is right. If it does not work, rethink it. It is not whether you make a mistake, everyone does. Use the mistakes to refine your treatment.

You are early into this, and you have better days ahead.

You will get there. You are determined, and that gives you the edge.

Dan
 

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Posted by steelbone (Member # 14014) on :
 
this might be helpful to some- I dont know much about it- Someone sent it to me... just sharing

http://www.dnafrequencies.com/dp/human.shtml
 

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Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I'm rifing routinely now.

Thurs---29 min rife, herxish cleared after 32 hours
(i call it herxish because it's not too severe. All day Fri i'm wondering if it's herx or actively worse. By Fri eve i decided i was getting worse. But, gradually better, clear by Sat a.m. waking)

Sat--- 17 min rife, not much herxish . Rife was cut short because of sleepy, too late at night, knew i needed a longer session, so not much herx reaction.

Sun--- 27 min rife occuring 19 hours after previous session. Not much herxish yet. Stopped because brain felt warm full of plenty of radio waves, didn't want any more.

Consistent reactions, every time---

612 always feels happy, good, clears out my head.

Bartonella groups (CAFL list) always feels beneficial--- but i never tested positive for Bart, never treated for it, didn't have the obvious symptoms. I have wondered or suspected a couple of minor symptoms.

Babesia groups never gives me any feeling that it's doing anything. Yet i responded excellently to Mepron/Zith, twice,; i had what i thought were mild Babs symptoms; but tested negative for Babs three times.

So it's just a boring, standard, routine treatment mostly every day or so. My head gets warm and woozy and can't take more than a 30 min session.

I WENT OFF ANTIBIOTICS, for the time being at least, because the rifeing seems to be adequate treatment and i don't seem to need abx, for now at least. I just don't feel any need to take them.

Which is a MOMENTOUS MILESTONE for me after 5 1/2 years on abx!!!!!

I'm still on herbals though, what a pain, LOTS of herbs to take, and my gut candida isn't in good condition. Rifing for candida isn't working, probably because i don't put the plates on my abdomen where it counts.

----Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 

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Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
 
^ have you thought about putting the plates on your abdomen or is it just too much of a pain.

How long have you been rifing regularly now? Thx!
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
R62 -- In regards to your 'sticky blood' comment. Have you ever been tested for hypocoagulation problems? Dr. C in MO, my old Dr, states that 90% of lyme patients test positive for this.

I was tested for it and did test positive. I took Heprain for 7 months. I am now on a natural blood thinner.

He states that treating the thick blood actually helps improve peoples pain and fatigue.

Also, in regards to your questions about your herx -- to me it sounds like a herx, but we all experience them differently.

I can relate to the heavy feeling in the chest, but I more relate this to my breathing & lungs. I think these bugs are hiding in there for me.

Well I am off for a rife session, I will post my schedule at the end of the week.
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Robin.. I should have room in my Mailbox now. if you would like to PM me still.
: )
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
A note that i forgot to mention and just posted on the Fry bug thread.

I was told and I do do this as well.

I do any biofilm treatments I choose and respond to and then Rife about one hour after I take that treatment.

I did this with ABX treatment as well and was told that this works with Rife as well. Even though your not "supposed" to have to worry about biofilms with rife. I have read it and heard of this and ... well I do use it. I did not notice the huge difference as I did with abx. But I do notice it does help and provokes a bigger and different herx.

ALso it works most and best when I am rifing for protozoans.

Something to try out?
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Thanks, Dan for always being so helpful.

asummers... I probably should. Have had a fibrinogen test, but not the same. Good to hear you did well on heparin. Motivation for me to get tested. Thank you. I was wondering if they are in my lungs & sinuses and hoping this is die off. It is interesting that omnicef caused such a sever sinus inflammation that I had to go off of it early (on the pulsed protocol) and it is used for respiratory infections in addition to lyme. So hopefully hitting same thing with rife as with abx. It is yes breathing and lungs.

Is that the Hemex test?

Thanks, Spring.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I know there are frequencies for "Sticky Blood".

I also know that more than one person has looked under the microscope and verified that they work.

I cannot find these frequencies, but if anyone runs across them, please post them here.

I never thought to use them before, but this thread has brought up conditions that I do not normally think about.

Thanks for the discussion.

Dan
 

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Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
Dan, I was looking through all my rife books and lists and didn't see anything on "sticky blood", hypocog or anything close.

I did notice something interesting hemobartinella felis. Freqs 603 & 957. I'm looking for freqs for myself and bart or BLO. History of + testing for coagulation.

Anyone familiar with hemobarinella felis?

Pam
 

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Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
R62--- Yes, you really should test for hypercoagulation!

My LLMD required that people have the "coagulation panel" blood test before going on any IV, because people who have genes for blood clots, like me and Tracy9, can't have PICC lines.

Ever since that test, i've been taking nattokinase, and am very happy with it. First i spent time reading a blood clot forum. There are more details, i;ve posted before.

I take high dose nattokinase, 10,000 FU's 3x/day w meals (that's (5) 100-mg pills per meal), plus smaller amounts on empty stomach once or twice; plus additional if symtpoms signal that i need more.

(Wrong thread, sorry to put it here)

---Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Here are some blood numbers I found online as possible options on the blood subject?

CAFL v2009-04-4 � CAFL ASSOCIATION 2009

Blood Coagulation Disorders Cure: 35hz, 525hz, 675hz, 1.00Khz, 1.25Khz, 3.75Khz, 7.75Khz, 10.00Khz, 30.00Khz, 47.50,


Stimulate Normalized Blood Circulation 337 Hz
Stimulate Increased Blood Flow / Circulation 17 Hz

Red Blood Cell Production
Anemia is characterized by an insufficient number of red blood cells (RBCs). RBCs carry oxygen from the lungs to tissues throughout the body. All cells require oxygen to function.

Red blood cells originate in bone marrow as erythroblasts (a "blast" is a primitive cell that develops into a mature cell). Hemoglobin (Hb), a protein that binds to oxygen, is the main component of red blood cells. Once RBCs become filled with hemoglobin they enter the bloodstream as erythrocytes. Healthy hemoglobin holds the oxygen molecules with a precise degree of force. If it binds oxygen molecules in the lungs too loosely, it cannot hold onto them and carry them away. If it binds them too tightly, it cannot release them to tissues.

Red blood cell production is stimulated by the hormone erythropoietin (EPO), which is produced in the kidneys. If the kidneys fail to produce adequate EPO, anemia develops

Normalize Red Blood Cell Production 1524 Hz


White Blood Cell
White blood cells (also called leukocytes, pronounced: loo-kuh-sytes) are a key part of the body's system for defending itself against infection. They can move in and out of the bloodstream to reach affected tissues. The blood contains far fewer white blood cells than red cells, although the body can increase production of white blood cells to fight infection. There are several types of white blood cells, and their life spans vary from a few days to months. New cells are constantly being formed in the bone marrow.

Normalize White Blood Cell Production 1434 Hz

Found on this site along with some other frequencies collected
http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter232/index.htm
 

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Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
Questions???

Hypocoag would be the sticky, thick blood. Hypercoag is thin blood? Those with vector borne illnesses, don't they tend to be hypocoag?

I don't believe I ever seen anyone post about hypercoag.

Pam
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Hyper coagulation is thick blood, Hypo coagulation is thin, non clotting blood.

Just for clarification.

Dan
 

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Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Liesandmorelies---

Sorry i didn't write clearly! Certainly i should put the plates on my abdomen for candida rifing and plan to do so, just haven't got around to it.

I've been rifing for about a month.

----Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 

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Posted by bugabooboo (Member # 7383) on :
 
I have been using the EMEM5a from DT for almost 5 years. I still herx.

I got to a place where I could not take ATBs or much else really.

I feel much better than when I started but still have sx.

Bug
 

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Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
Thanks Dan. I can't image me having something a** backwards or forgetting what I used to know? lol

Pam
 

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Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
Wow! I didn't know that about not being allowed to have a picc line. I have FVL, so I am glad I couldn't afford IV's.

liz
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
I'm re-evaluating the possibilities. It's a long complicated process deciding how to proceed with such a long term agenda.

I'm considering starting Tetracycline again, which always increases my health by 5-10%. Given I have almost 10 years of experience with this specific drug, and that it's cheap, I can discern results achieved using the Rife machine against the drug.

I'm very sick now, so If I attempt to Rife, chances are it may be too difficult. If I make a transition from the Tetracycline -- overlapping -- onto Rife, I can possibly avoid some needless suffering while still making adequate progress.

Dan, given I have the EMEM3D2, are the DNA frequencies worth having, whether I use them now or in the future? Also, if I missed it earlier, which site do I purchase them from?
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I think the DNA frequencies work best in the MHz range or higher. They may work at the highest frequency your machine can run. I never tested in between the three digit range and the MHz range.

I think for twenty bucks it is worth a try. I actually think the DNA frequencies may be the best chance of slowly eliminating the disease, when combined with the known effective regular frequencies. The DNA frequencies do not cause the nasty Herx that the other ones can cause.

If you order the DNA frequencies, ask for the free frequency conversion program.

http://www.dnafrequencies.com/

Dan
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I wanted to let the people who are interested in on an upcoming device that will be avialable in April of this year.

Basically, this device is a M.O.P.A. transmitter that when used with the GB-4000 will duplicate exactly, to the best of our knowlege, Royal Rife's AZ-58 output, with proper use. Since it will broadcast frequencies about a half mile, you do have to be careful where you use it, not in an apartment in a city.

I will report more as I get more information, I feel comfortable disclosing. This does not neccesarily mean more effective Lyme treatment, as Rife never worked with Lyme, but I will be testing it, as it has the potential to be more effective.

What it does mean, is that Rife's Cancer treatment and work with other pathogens, should be able to be reproduced. The results remain to be seen, but I have no qualms about Rife's credibility. Of course, it is possible that an error in interpretation of his device has occured. But I doubt it. A lot was unravelled in the last couple of years thanks to some really good research by James and others.

Dan
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Dan -- I am able to run the DNA frequencies on my DT EMEM5 or should I wait until I get my Ultimate B3?
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
You can run them at a lower frequency, and then when you get the B-3 you can convert them up to a higher range using Char's frequency conversion program.

You won't have to buy them twice, as you can just step up the frequency.

Dan
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Dan -- great, thanks!
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
OK. Rifed last wed and still running PM fevers, low grade 99s.. is this normal? One week later. No fever in day, just PM.

I also ended up in the ER. (20 sec on 612 with perl). Chest pains and shallow breathing.. would not go away. Md out of town. They were checking me for a blod clot in my lungs. CAT scan showed nothign remarkable. Left with a shot of toradol (for inflammation and pain).

later others confirmed to me that costrochrondritis can cause these kinds of symptoms. I could not tell if it was muscular, connective tissue or not because the pain was in my skin and felt like down into my lungs.. pressure on chest really bad.. shallow breathing even when sleeping.

I have to make appt with cardiologist. I also had heart palps and tachy.

I dont know if the rifing caused this, but it showed up a day after as did the fevers. I will not run that frequency again for that long next time.. if I have the nerve.

I have not been on any extended therapy herbal or abx for maybe 1.5 years.. so my load may be really high.. also wondering like metallic blue if I should go on abx to get load down and some in cyst form (not the pulsed protocol because that doesnt make the bugs go dormant so much ( I herxed full time on the pulsed protocol the weeks I was on and only taking MWF.. it was crazy... good but crazy as in no life the weeks on).

I am also on KPU and starting to dose up on methyl folates for methylation support (both of which will cause heavy metal dumping and have for me), so dont want to push the Bb die off.. just want some balance for now. I dont know how my liver and kidneys put up with all this.

Thanks for the hypercoagulation info. Did you all test with a regular lab or a speciality lab and can you tell me the name of the test(s)?

Thanks for looking up those codes, spring.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I see the heart problems crop up quite often when treating Lyme. My wife has had some of this sometimes during treatment, but mostly at any time during the day.

She does have a history of Heart Disease in her family, and that just confuses the issue.

She already takes Magnesium so I doubt it is a deficiency in this mineral. I may try some potassium as this can play a role also.

The Heart thing is worrisome, and we need to sort that out. I need to find a good doctor to test her heart. Not easy around here.

Dan
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
R62,

Those symptoms scream Babesia to me. Have you tried rifing for babs at all? I use 570, 20, 27 and 76 for Babs. The herx from rifing for babs is NOTHING like the herx from Lyme - I actually only felt better afterwards. Something you may want to look in to...
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
R62 -- I agree with LL28. Also the fact that you are on the KPU protocol and dumping heavy metals is interesting.

I have read that people can feel pretty awful on that treatment as their body is detoxing.

Maybe the rife in combination with KPU is too much for you right now.

And try the Babs numbers that LL28 gave you a little later.
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
It def manifested as costrochrondritis/Tietze's syndrome. And I wonder if babs can be a cause of that. I can feel where the third rib down at the cartilage is swollen.. which differentiates Tietze from costro. In fact, this was one of my very first symptoms.

I started enula for babs just in case. I have had other babs like symptoms like scary images and wicked neuro symptoms that I have heard associated with babs.

I had a flare this fall and now into winter so whatever it (all) is, needs addressing. How to balance that with KPU will be a challenge and I am not quite sure how.

I have not consistantly treated any of my infections for the last 1.5 years. This was after a digestive tract fall out after 6 months abx and 4 mepron. Then salt c for a summer and herbs on and off with a few short rounds of abx when symptoms flared badly. And this fall one, some decided to act up, again.

If anyone has ideas on how to balance keeping bugs under control while doing KPU, I would appreciate that. I am wondering if herbs at low doses might be best or rifing a very low time frames... like 5-10 seconds.. would that be a good or bad thing to do with the rife?
 

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Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Dan, I go see a cardiologist next week. I wil feel more comfortable with a work up. I also want to request a coagulation panel. After having several myers where the blood was so syrupy as it barely oozed its way down the tube.. and being so dark.. I know I need to check this out as well.

Last time at the clinic for myers Iv, the man across form me had the brightest flowing red blood.. and this shocked me. I saw what good blood is supposed to look like for the first time. I have no idea why he was getting a myers because his blood looked good.. oxygenated, flowing, clean. Mine has left sediment in the tube in the past..I am not sure if that is a terrible thing, but it sure did not look healthy to me.


I take natto and serrapeptase, but maybe not at high enough doses. I dont know how anyone can get well with sticky blood.. and sticky blood is a result of toxins and debris as well, I think.

Homocysteine levels (which can lead to heart issues) may be related to B12. There is a book called, Could It Be B12, that explains this. I am B12 deficient, so have been looking into this.

http://www.amazon.com/Could-Be-B12-Epidemic-Misdiagnoses/dp/1884956467
 

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Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
My heart symptoms (inappropriate sinus tachy. and neurocardiogenic syncope) were my 1st symptoms.

I have costochondritis, too, but it rarely bothers me now and not half as painful as originally.

As far as the blood work, mine was done through a reg. lab, but I heard that it was very expensive. My ins. did pay for it.

liz
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Please let us know what you find out. This is so common and yet I never had a solid explanation for it.

Dan
 

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Posted by jamieL (Member # 16563) on :
 
Dan,

do you know anything about this machine?

http://dougcoilmachine.com/technicalinfo.html
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Yes, it is made by a person who is reliable and actually makes very little off of the construction of the machine. About $300.00 for his work.

He does it to help anyone with Lyme. To build it yourself, the parts would be about $1,300.00 or more. I E-mailed him a long time ago, but when I suggested he could sell his plans for the machine, at a profit, he said he was not interested in making money off of them.

He is a straight shooter. I have a lot of respect for the guy.

If you are going to buy a Coil machine, this is place I would buy it from.

This must be his old site.

http://sites.google.com/site/coilmachines4less/coilmachines4less

Dan
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I am trying something different tonight. The last few treatments have produced the same effects. A little sensation in the joints when running the DNA frequencies. Some slight effects when running 2016 Hz but not a lot of sensation.

I spent the whole day reading Jeff Garff's paper on Rife's various machines and what James Peters, Jason Ringas and whoever else was involved discovered. I had read it before, but I needed to refresh my memory. If anyone has not read it here, I highly recommend it.

The PFD file is here.

http://www.rife.de/history_of_rife_instruments.html

Anyway, I got the relationship of how the harmonics may have been important to the good results of the original machine. Also, how gating produces a de-ionization of the plasma tube, which also is likely important. So I applied this to the GB-4000 and the Syphilis frequency of 2016, which bears no relationship to any Syphilis frequency listed by Rife or Vern Thompson. That makes me wonder where it came from originally.

I made a harmonic program like my 612 Hz harmonic program only using 2016 for Syphilis.

Eight harmonics of 2016 running at the same time from the GB-4000 through the Rifelabs EMX with 75 Hz gating. It is producing a rather uncomfortable result with my wife, and I am going to run it a long time. The spine is getting a brunt of the reaction.

We will see what result this produces. Sooner or later, I will stumble onto something that will bust this disease for good. Either by accident or on purpose.

Dan
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Well,

I started having wicked neuro symtoms a few hours ago with intermittent stabbing head pain and pains shooting across my forehead. This weird depression came over me a while later so I broke out my machine and zapped myself good.

I rifed for thirty minutes then let my machine cool down and did another thirty minutes for a total of an hour - this is the longest I have EVER rifed.

I ran 20, 27, 432, 864, 832, 800, 612, 1224 and finished with 10k. My head pain got worse as I rifed and is still bothering me now.

Want to add that I started my period yesterday - always coincides with worsening symptoms for me. Dan, have you noticed this with your wife? Just curious.

Anyhoo, I expect I'll have a doozy of a herx, but bring it on. I'm ready to be done with this sh**.
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
She had early menopause, which is a family trait, for lack of a better term.

I am sure the shift in Hormones is not going to make it better. It doesn't seem to make the average non-Lyme woman feel any better.

Dan
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Dan -- I admire your thoroughness and dedication to research. With my brain fog, I am lucky I punch in the right frequency numbers on the rife.

LL28 -- I am curious to hear how you felt after your rife session. I seem to have a flare up in herx like symptoms when ovulating & during my period.

I think I might be over rifing again, but like you, I just want to be done with this sh**.
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
I'm feeling much better today - my typical "symptom clearing" before the herx sets in. I'm enjoying it for now!
 

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Posted by sammy1 (Member # 12754) on :
 
dan-
when you do a harmonics program of 2016 do you just keep multiplying 2016 times 2 and then again that answer times 2?

i want to do this on my gb4000....thx so much
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Yes, times two, but since the GB can only run eight frequencies at a time up to a certain range, you also have to divide 2016 by two so you can get all eight to run at a time.

I am not at home right now, and I do not rememeber the limit, but it is in the GB book under creating autoprograms.

Start at the upper limit and work your way down until you get eight.

Run the gating also. My machine only goes up to 75 Hz gting but 1,000 woud be better, if your machine will go that high.

Dan
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Hi all.
I have been away dealing with family and friends and just getting off IVs and Recovering from hospital stays etc.

I how have been off IV abx for a good two weeks.

Whew.
I am pretty happy about it and feel a sense of freedom. I forgot how it felt not to be hooked up all day to that pool and that tubing etc.

I was prescribed plaquenil and minocycline forward and have been doing 3 days a week of Mino and every day of Plaquenil for now.

I do not want to HERX so I want to take it slow ..

I am done with Big Herxes >. I DECIDED that 100 percent now.

So I broke through that STUCK wall and NOw I am ready to move on forward. I was so stuck and bedridden so much and so SICK feeling .. I was ready to end it all. I was.

I now have some hope forward and I have to come up with a new schedule of Rife that is gentle yet consistent and I have enough Rife experience now that I feel I can plan that out more specifically now.

Thank you for all your support.

I have not been on the site much lately and I think that is a good sign.. because I was on mostly when I was laying in bed sick. I also have not been on my lap top much anymore either and another good thing since I used it because I could from the bed... Ick

My thoughts are with all of you though.. and I have read through and seem some good news from many..

Keep ON keeping on.

I will come share my protocol after a few weeks..

I am losing my house and have to figure out how to get help to move .. its too much for me.. but I have friends and family who ..might be able to help.. I hope so..

Keep on . sharing.. I am learning alot still even though I do not post so much lately I have read over the experiences and numbers and your protocols on rife. This thread has become very valuable!!!

Thank you ALL of you!!!

Blessings..
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Sorry about losing your house. That is a bummer.

I am glad you are in better spirits, and any plan is better than no plan. I hope it goes well for you.

I think you will improve more, but you know how slow that can be. I see people that seem to have a better attitude if nothing else. that can help a lot.

We will figure this out, I have not had a complete failure yet, and I can see we have a very savvy group here that can get the job done.

I am about done running the 2016 harmonics autoprogram. I am running it for one hour. A reaction to treatment, but less than yesterday. She had no symptoms or pain today from last nights treatment.

I do not think we are that far from eliminating it. Maybe it is just optimism, but we have reduced it further in the last few weeks. That much I am pretty certain of.

If this does not eliminate it, I will have a brand new carrier wave plasma device in couple months, that I hope will deal the death blow.

Dan
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Awww Summers, I'm so sorry about your house. Sometimes the burden of things does seem too much to bear...but you have such a wonderful attitude and spirit about you that I have no doubt that you will prevail and come out on the other side of all this healthy and whole.

And Dan is right - this is a very saavy group and together we'll find a way out of this mess!
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
So which frequencies did we decide were appropriate for

• parasites (Including Fry Bug), and which did we
• Detoxing Lymph
• Detoxing Liver
• Detoxing Kidneys
• Pain Relief
• Organ Support and Tissue Regeneration

I'm also curious what type of water filtration system people are using while doing Rife therapy. It has been recommended I buy a Water Inonizer Filtration system, but they cost well over the amount of money I have.

I see a good system for Distilling water. It's called the Mini-Classic II Stainless Steel Steam Distiller - Pure Water

Anyone know anything about that? What are your thoughts?

[ 02-13-2010, 01:45 PM: Message edited by: METALLlC BLUE ]
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Using the GB-4000 attached to the Rife Labs EMX
I ran the 2016 Harmonic program for one hour last night. She could feel it, but it "was nothing like last night" in her own words.

I speculated that the 2016 frequency might only hit some of the Lyme, and possibly a sweep would hit more, so I ran the same frequencies in Channel Sweep mode, and it produced a more pronounced reaction, more than the first run, but not as much as the previous night. I ran this for one hour also.

She said spine and ankles were sore after the treatment, but by morning she only had a little soreness in the spine.

The first treatment, the previous night, produced more reaction than the second, and the Channel Sweep mode produced a reaction in between the two. No one else present had any reaction to the frequencies.

If memory serves me correctly, the Channel Sweep mode varies the frequency five Hz above and below the selected frequencies.

Dan
 

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Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Is everyone on here using the same or a dfferent kind of machine?
 

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Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
Different ones are being used.

liz
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
What do you all think

I have been rotating various programs that are for
General - Lyme Parasites Viruses Mold Fungus
Specifics - Syphillis Malaria Toxoplasmosis
Immune support - Cleanses organ supports, well being, pain etc

I have been rotating the generals and specifics but not concnetrating on one or another so much for fear of things having time to "come back at me".
I rife 3 x week and it takes me two weeks to get through all that i want to get through. I always do the cleansing and organ supports after each treatment. But the other things I do 1 to 3 things each treamtent.

At the end of those two weeks i do it again.

I was thinking maybe I should concentrate more on one thing now. At least one items if not one frequency. Most of all my items are programs that include about 5 to 10 frequencies of 3 minutes each.

I recently started to increase the 3 minutes depending on how I am responding to them.

If anyone has any suggestions that I should maybe not worry so much and stick with one thing and for how long?? or always keep some of the others on board but at just the levels I have gotten to?

I have not been herxing as badly as I used to. So i know I need to somewhat move on. Not sure if I should increase all i have been doing or like I said concentrate on one or two things instead of like the 8 I have been working on ....

I have read that many who try to treat too many things at one time do not do as well as those who choose just one or two and then move on to the others?

Are there some bugs that come back faster than others? I heard things like babesia and parasites can come back at you faster that lyme. Does anyone know more about this concept? I have not had time to read more of my book by N. Sylver and if others who have read it maybe she gives this advice in there?

Thanks all
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Do you know for certain what you have besides Lyme?

I do not know your history as far as testing and such.

Dan
 

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Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
Well, I finally Rifed! I did 2016 for 2 mins.

Do I wait to see if I herx or can I rife for other things now?

liz
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Liz -- IMO, I would wait 2-3 days to rife for other things. You want to see if you have a herx reaction or any reaction for that matter to the frequenciy 2016.

If you rife for other things, you will not know which frequency is causing a reaction.

It can be slow in the beginning, but you need to know what provokes reactions so that way you aren't wasting your time running frequencies that don't help you.

I can herx anywhere from 24-48 after a rife session.
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
SS -- so sorry to hear that you are going thru a hard time right now. When it rains, it pours. Just know if you ever need support or to vent, you know where to find us!

You ask some great questions in your second post and I am not sure if I have the answer for you. I think it is great that your herx's are less on certain frequencies. That's great news.

At this point do you increase the ammount of time on these frequencies or rife more frequently...aahhh. This is the fustrating part of rife (for me). This is when I feel I am rifing blindly.

I do know that the Babs & Parasites do replicate more frequently than lyme. I was told to rife twice a week for Babs & Parasites.

I don't have Sylver's book, and not sure what Rosner says either.

I would probably pick two or three things to rife for and increase the time & frequency if my herx is getting less & less. I would continue with the detox frequencies and not count them as my frequencies.
 

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Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I'm doing longer sessions, and getting different reactions--- i don't know what it means.

On Fri i did 34 min, longer than before, then today i did 43 min, longest ever.

I put the foot plates on my abdomen, for gut candida, and did 10 min on 464 , the candida frx-- but felt NOTHING at all.

I did 5 min on 612 and 5 min on 2016,--- but felt NOTHING, no head reaction like before.

At the end of the session i was getting woozy on channel #589 for Filarial worms, frx: 112 120 1200 332 753 and several Fungus channels: frx 823 824 825 826 827 828 829,
and 943 886 866 1550 784 7870 72 254 422 582 1016 1134 1153 2222 594 880 8450 803 8300 728 7270 20 2644 634 854 776 7660 464
and 414 254 344 2411 321 555 942 337 766 1823 524 374 743 132 866 158 512 623 774 222 565 592 623 745 933 1130 1155 1333 1833 4442.

I don't know if feeling woozy was because it was at the end of the session, an accumulated reaction, or because of the particular targets.

Afterwards i was woozy and eyes felt bleary, a bit exhausted.

There's a big difference, how i feel after a rife session: an OVERALL SMOOTH feeling of wooziness in the head. My usual head feeling is of one DISPARATE DISCRETE symptom at a time popping up here and there, only ONE at a time, in ONE spot at a time.---But PS, i do also get thick overall forehead fog and a uniform head pressure increase.

In my early treatment, i thought it showed the bugs MUST be COMMUNICATING, because
first the right eye would go off, then the left eye (e.g.), but NEVER both together!

I'm so sorry about Spring! What will Spring do now?

---Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed

[ 02-15-2010, 08:51 AM: Message edited by: pamoisondelune ]
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Thanks all

dan. I have tested positive for most all of the typical stuff.. Lyme Babesia Bartonella Echliriosis
Anaplasma HHV CMV EBV Mycoplasma Candida Valley Fever Toxoplasmosis Fry Bug 1 and Fry Bug 2Sorry for spelling errors.. I am tired.

So. though.. Through follow up tests a lot of the numbers have gone down enough for me to worry most about lyme and fry bugs... and then viruses and possible candida fungal stuff....


So.... I think i will be sticking with what i have been doing but still got to think about how to increase without having to do Hours... each time I rife..

Oh... well. hey..

Thanks for the kind words and saying i can come vent or talk any time. It means the world to me!1

HUGS

Blessings

Same here.. I am here for all of you and you can PM me anytime... : )
 

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Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Candida treatment, which was putting footplates on abdomen last night on 464 for 10 min --- seems to have worked! Somewhat at least. Or any of the other things i was rifing for --- something helped.

This morning belly was flat and hard! That's not usual. Often some distension of intestines makes jogging slower and uncomfortable. Usually there's some extra area or volume that the candida adds.

---Polly Polygonum
 

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Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
One thing that is NOT improving is toenail fungus.

Does anyone else have it? In fact it is getting worse. And the toes are closest to the frequency source.

Last night i tried a minute each on Hulda Clark's Onychomycosis frequencies 35,000 and 20,000. I've done some of her lower frequencies a bit previously; never noticed improvement.

After rifing, the toes were redder and bumpier than ever with new swellings. In fact, the redness and swollen bumps have increased coinciding with rifing; which of course does not indicate causality--- but what does it mean?

(i do also put the vinegar and hydrogen peroxide on the toes; i stopped putting geranium essential oil on the toenails, because the essential oils are so strong, they might eat up the cloth covers on the footplates, or just get everywhere and cause a mess. Still, the toes are pretty bad so i'll have to employ essential oils.)

---Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
Do you rotate in front of the machine over time? For example, sit facing it for a few cycles, then back facing it, then side (left and then right?)
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Pam, I have no idea! I wish I had some good advice but I'm not sure about the fungus thing. As far as reacting differently now to your machine - this is very common and this is when it gets confusing.

For me, I would rife and have the same pattern for months - then it would do a 180. This is when you need your intuition more than ever.

Metallic, Yes, I do rotate in front of my machine exactly as you just described. Since I have an EMEM, it doesn't have plates or wands and I feel it helps get everywhere by turning in different directions. Don't know if it truly makes a difference but it makes me feel better
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Oh - and sometimes I rest my forehead against the bulb of my machine when running frequencies - especially if I'm having bad neuro symtoms.
 

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Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
I just checked out one of my toes today, because there was something different about the nail. The nail is kind of bent and it's thick. I am assuming it is a fungus. Yuck, just what I need.

Is this from Lyme? I thought getting Lyme treated I wasn't supposed to get anything else from it.

I'll have to check to see if there is a frx for it for the EMEM.

liz
 

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Posted by jamieL (Member # 16563) on :
 
Dan, thank you for the info on the coil machine.

I emailed him and he will make a machine for me. He seems very nice.

BTW, Your input on this thread is invaluable! Thanks for all you do!
 

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Posted by jamieL (Member # 16563) on :
 
I've ordered a coil machine but won't have a clue about what to do with it.

Book ideas, anyone?
 

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Posted by jamieL (Member # 16563) on :
 
And Dan, you should write a book on rife.
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
MB & LL28 -- I have an EMEM5a and I NEVER thought to rotate my position when sitting in front of it. Thanks for the idea.
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
For Book Suggestion>> i have the One called the "rife handbook" by Nehah Sylver. Very Good and complete!!

I would love to hear how to treat toenail fungus. I have had trouble for years. I recently gave up on natural things and begged my doc for lamasil pills. It took a year and I am now Near Rid of it.. It is so hard to keep under control for some reason..

WE took me off the lamasil and Valtrex to give my body a break and live etc.. Glad for it but have a fear of it coming back..

So if you find frequencies or know of ones that work or are working for you.. Please post them

Thanks so much all

Blessings
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
PS
I found a program for Nail Fungus in My Booklet that came with my BCX machine and I think this could be a good test to try to use it to see if it will keep it under control and rid those last amounts... I have a few more months of growth to outgrow it if it is killed..

The issues is that after my IV abx that I did for 5 months I noticed in the end my hair and nails stopped growing at all. I was getting really toxic but at the same time I think i was killing a lot of stuff.

Its a real tight balance when doing IV abx....

I have tried Tea Tree Oil and GrapeSeed Extrat Oil and Lamasil Creams and Bleach and Lactic Acid and anything else I could find that was anti infective in my medicine cabinet.. that was topical.. and.. I would soak my feet in salt baths and sometimes with bleach too..

I think that nail fungus is not just in the nail but in your blood stream.. That is what it think and it is not easy to treat topically..

Rife should work..

Not sure what it takes though or how much or how long or what frequencies..
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Here is the numbers in my booklet from the BCX

Nail Fungus - Program 612 644 766 1000 190 465

Fungus Infection - 465 1550 2127 942 880 802 788 727 543 474 412 220 310 361 160 73 20
 

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Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
 
It sounds like with rife if you have all the frequencies, one could eventually become invincible and possibly immortal!
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Boy Seek.. Your sarcastic in so many threads..

Are you doing ok. you sound like you have had it with everything and just go around writing this or that in that same tone on various threads.

What do you feel your contributing? Just curios. And maybe you might want to rethink your approach?

Everyone is trying to do the same thing and that is to get better and help one another along the way.

Wishing you the best.

Blessings.
 

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Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
If this thread bothered me or any other thread....I do believe I just wouldn't open it.

Pam
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dog... YOu might want to search under eye problems and after reading through a few and having this problem and problems myself over the years during treatment of various kinds... I would say that most of the time it seems that people get the eye syptoms when they have a high load of bugs or of a parasite bug.
I had that sort of thing happen the most when using treatments for parasites like babesia and the fry bug and when I was on anti protozoan meds.
So far during rife I have noticed the blurry vision thing but not the aching red eyes and behind the eyes. But also I have gotten my loads much futher down.
Just and idea and you may want to search other thread as There have been quite a few on this subject..
I would say it is not related to Rife but the treatmnent and your conditions themselves..

I Looked up 2112 and 570 after I wrote this to you and 2112 shows up under two catagories of parasites and 570 for babesia.

Just an ideas about it..
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Hello all.
I have a question ..

What is the longest Rife Session you have done or heard of people doing?

Also what is the longest on one frequency that you have done or heard of people doing?

I am trying to get a guage on that subject...

Thanks
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I have just recently run my 2016 Lyme harmonic program for a hour long run, followed by the same autoprogram in channel sweep mode which varies the frequencies 5 Hz above and below the programmed frequencies. I ran this for two hours.

This followed a similar run the previous night.

The result was a Herx, which is quite unusual at this stage of the game, as my wife has little Lyme left, and what is left is buried on the joints or maybe even in bone.

I am waiting for more information as I initially was not sure if the reaction was due to Lyme conversion to spirochete form, or die off.

If it would have been conversion her symptoms would have gotten worse. Since the reaction is getting better with time, it appears to be a big die off. I am still waiting to confirm this, but in order to do that, I need to run the same program again to see if the reaction is less.

I also need to let her clear all the way before I can test it again.

If the reaction is less, then I think I may be able to say, I have cracked this disease, but that is only speculation at this point. I will confirm with time.

I do not recommend anyone that is a typical Lyme patient try this long run, and you must be careful if you even try duplicate this protocol.

I think it is possible, but not known at this time, that this way of running this one frequency may have the potential of eliminating all Lyme given a long enough run time.

If that does turn out to be the case, I can foresee someone rashly going into a long treatment trying to kill all the Lyme at once.

This could result in severe illness and possibly death in a weakened, high bacterial load person.

The last thing I want to see is a death due to massive, unprecedented die off. It will set us back ten years, and we do not want a death or even a severe reaction associated with this method.

I do not know that this is the case, but I do not want someone to try prove it either.

I need more time, and I will be able to say with 90% certainty, one way or another. So don't get your hopes up.

I will post more later as I can decipher more information, based on future results.

Dan
 

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Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Last night i did 53 min, including 5 min each on 612 and 2016, and candida, fungi, bartonella, etc.

I was too sleepy to keep count or notice reactions; i didn't know i was going so long. Afterwards my head felt a bit stunned. I thought i rifed too long this time; expected a big herx day.

But--- all day i've had comparatively few symptoms! far fewer than usual! and no herx, yet.

So maybe overdoing it was the right treatment this time!

------
I'd certainly like to try Dan's program eventually, in about a year?
----
J-Dog, that is scary. We do need a rife teacher. Do you have a good ophthalmologist? Does Nenah Sylver's book say anything about it?

---Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The protocol I am using is applying what was found to be possibly important concerning how Rife used his treatment.

Four Factors are involved, one I have not addresed yet.

Harmonics:

Frequency variation:

Gating:

Power level: (Penetration)

Rife's original machines and the Hoyland model put out so many harmonics, in the RF range it would literally be impossible to use the same machine today. It could possibly destroy or damage virtually any electronic remote, cell phone or any other electronic device.

Later models, that were built to comply with FCC regulations due to AM radio and other RF uses never worked as well. The lower frequencies did not work as well, and they were prohibited to using the prior, effective method. They also reduced the power level.

Harmonics appear to be important. When I run 2016 with seven other harmonics through the tube I get more reaction that running 2016 alone.

Frequency variation:

One thing that has come to light recently is that Rife never used a single frequency to treat anything. He swept the MOR he had identified. Partly because he could not reliably hit the same frequency with the old equipment he was using.

The other part is that there could be variation between some pathogens within the species.

When I run Channel sweep mode, I get more reaction than when I run the straight 2016 harmonic. I am assuming at this time that more Lyme is being hit and killed. There is the possibility I am hitting some other pathogen also, but that does not negate the effect on Lyme.

Gating:

Rife always gated his frequencies, in his early machines. This allowed Plasma deionization, and a spike in the power, to putit simply.

I am not sure how much role this plays at this time.

Power:

Rife had fifty watts of power out of the tube more or less. We do not have that much power out of any commonly used Rife inspired device at this time. I am fairly certain this is hampering my ability to kill Lyme deep in the joints.

I also think I may be able to overcome this by running longer sessions, but am not sure at this time.

Dan
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
HI Dan
Thats great news and Glad you feel you have hit a spot of new progress and hope..

I feel great because I think it was this thread that brought about the ideas of that number frequeny from digging deep into some of the websites and fining other peoples experiences and ideas as well that were somewhat like this one..
People brainstorming and writing down numbers and how it worked for them and why they used it and how they used it.

So it is coming full circle. How cool.

Now.. That Said.. I have been doing longer and longer treatment times and I agree you can not just jump in and do and hour...

My machine runs sweeps. But what I am not familiar with is how to do harmonics. ADo you make those up yourself and program in?

I am a bit confused on that?

Let me know when you get a chance.

Thanks

My machine will run a program and times it for me. I can sit and watch as each frequency changes from one to the other and that really helps me see which frequencies I am reacting to or how I am reacting during treatment.

Killing bugs is a zapping feeling and the detox and organ supports are just calm and nice.. or some tingling around the liver or kidneys. > Pretty neat..
 

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Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
I have a DT EMEM machine. I can only run it for 30 minutes before I have to turn if off to cool down. Maybe I run 30 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes at night. The morning session could be targeting lyme/co infections & the evening could be detox/support.

This will allow me to run longer frequencies.

Thanks for the idea
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dan

If you happen to have a chance can you look at this page that has my machines specs and info about Sweeps and Gates and Such.. THe first parapgraph tries to compare what Rife was doing and showing how my machine compares etc.

The default settings on my machine already incorporate sweeping and gating and some other things that I have control over but was told to leave alone if I do not know what and why I would change it.

So far I have not had time to play around or figure it all out but I plan to.

Any ideas on what I first should look at as a option to "tinker" with of the options I have?/

I know its kinda asking a lot.. So if you cant I understand!

Thanks

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:zVSjMQokxDsJ:hymbas.com/doc/NEW_BCXULTRA_BROCHURE.pdf+BCX+Ultra+and+watts&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
If that page is hard to read

Here is the google search that shows it as the TOP download of PDF THe view I first sent does not show the graphics and graphs etc

http://www.google.com/search?q=BCX+Ultra+and+watts&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
 

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Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Where's R62?
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
If the gate feature is automatically on, you do not have to change that.

The GB-4000 has the ability to run eight frequencies at one time. I do not think many other models run more than two or three at a time, and one of them is usually the carrier wave, that you generally leave alone.

The GB can run eight besides the carrier.

The Harmonics autoprogram is based on the frequency 2016 and the frequency is either doubled of halved up to the limit of the machine.

So some of the frequencies are 2016, 4016, 8032, 16640, and so on. Some are also lower than 2016.

When you run a single frequency through a tube device it automatically produces harmonics. I am just really pushing the effect by having harmonics run right from the machine, into the tube. Then the tube produces even more harmonics.

On the BCX, you can get some of the same effect by using a triangle wave form. At least in theory. You can try it out and see if you get any different results.

Dan
 

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Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I did 464 again, the Candida frequency, with the footplates on my abdomen, 10 min, (no other fungi or candida channels) and my belly is flat again, in spite of eating chocolate.

This really seems to be working! It's the miracle cure i need!

If only something would work on the toenail fungus. I haven't tried your frx yet, spring. I'm going to try Sanum homeopathics that Selma used for her fungi.

PS, later, i tried your frx, spring, and again the toes got red, bumpy, and worse. The frequencies irritate the fungus, but do they cure it or harm it at all? I see no signs of that.

----Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed

[ 02-18-2010, 06:19 PM: Message edited by: pamoisondelune ]
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Polly. thats amazing you get such a response from rife on your toes?? How odd.

I have not had such a thing happen to me.

THis week I tried something new.. I did two days in a row. I was getting up there in the amount of time I was doing each session and not really feeling any herxes etc.

IT took 48 hours but I am feeling it now..

I Think I have cleared so much out lately that it is taking more and more to get a herx of any kind.
I do not want big herxes believe me...nor do I think it is good to get big herxes..

But I figure I should push it til I feel a little bit of something..

SO not sure if I should go back and just do longer and longer.. Or try two days in a row and wait it out again... and repeat that for awhile.


I am finding the Fungal / Mold program helps me along with detox.. and is a "good" feeling.

I have two catagories it seems.

Feel good ones - Support and detox
and
Feel bad ones - Killers

I like the first ones better and find I have to run them after or along with my second Killer category to support my body fully and so I can handle those toxins..

I can tell the difference big time if I skip those. ... do the rest of you notice this sort of difference.

When I first got my rife that is all I did was organ support and detox because I was afraid of the darn machine!! LOL

And I then slowly started adding in the killer frequencies.. and this process has really worked out for me. ANd that balance is now so important and I can not skip it..
 

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Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Well, speaking of big herxes I think I waaay over did it last week by treating for an hour. I started herxing Sunday and it hasn't let up yet. I slept for about 23 hours straight and I'm still so tired that I can barely function. Not to mention the headache that won't quit along with the body aches. Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day....
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Hi I hope you feel better.

I am up to treating for up to two hours total. One in killing and one in supporting...

At least.. Even longer. That is why I went to two days in a row. It seemed that I was no longer hitting anything..
I also threw in some new numbers and ideas and did 15 minutes straight of 2016 on the 2nd day. So I guess I will have to figure out if it was that or the two days. I probably should not have mixed it up when doing the two days in a row and next time I wont. SO I can tell what happened.

That is where consistancy and tracking are important but sometimes we get anxious and tired and do not want to do it..

I am sure you can relate..

: )
Take it easy and feel better.
I just took a shower and back to bed too. for me to watch the olympics and take it easy!!
 

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Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
J- dog - are your eyes better now? I hope so - that is scary!

tickbattler
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Yes.. Give us an update.

I did not do Rife at the time I had all the eye symptoms since I got through all that on a toxo med. But i will say during the treatment the eyes got really scary and so did my brain and head. It took two months or so and then it cleared up..

I hope it is just that they are trying to escape and causing the problems with what your feeling and seeing..

I hope so..

But its all hard to tell.and know....
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Let us know what they find out about the eye problem. This is kind of a scary symptom, and I hope they can diagnose it quickly.

I ran the 2016 Hz Lyme harmonic program last night and it had no effect as far as sensation or Herx reaction.

I ran the same program again for another hour in channel sweep mode and it produces a moderate reaction but no Herx yet.

The plan is to run 2016 harmonic program in sweep mode until it produces no effect. I am also going to run 612 Hz harmonic program in channel sweep mode and see if it gets any reaction.

I will also try the DNA frequencies and see if they produce a reaction.

When all of these fail to produce any reaction, I am going to treat for one more month, and that is it.

Then I will wait and see if it is gone for good, or if it has failed to get rid of all of the Lyme.

It should not take very long to know one way or the other. She never goes long without treatment, before the symptoms start coming back.

I think I am probably looking at the end of April as the time when I will be done. It depends on her reaction or rather lack of reaction.

Dan
 

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Posted by smileyz53 (Member # 24204) on :
 
Hi all,
I need a little help. My husband has had Lyme for 8 years. Our chiropractor gave us his energy wellness rife to try. today we are on schedule to rife for lyme after doing a detox

this machine has codes that run with the frequency
I cannot turn the time down less than 1 minute
so the total time for a session would be 15 minutes or more for the first time out wouldn't this be to long

I'm a bit nervous about over doing the time and treatment
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Yes, it is too long.

I would run it for no more than two minutes the first time out.

There is no point in risking a real bad Herx.

Dan
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
I have extremely interesting news for everyone. My girlfriend purchased a Bionic 880 and it will be arriving on my doorstep this Monday (2 days from now).

I know almost nothing about it, but I've heard so much chatter lately from members.
 

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Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Wow Metallic, how exciting....It guess it's time to do some research!

Keep us posted!

By the way, have you tried rife yet?

tickbattler
 

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Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I am interested in what the Bionic can do. Please keep us posted.

Dan
 

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Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
 
Be careful MB. GiGi said it's a deadly weapon if not used properly. I hope it helps. I recall she stated it put her husband from walking into a wheelchair from overuse. Now, AI seems to be the way to go first.
 

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Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Are you reading the forum at

/health.groups.yahoo.com/group/bionic880-PE1/

What they say there is, do not use it alone, but with homeopathic nosodes.

They say it is much too strong alone, especially since you are so sick. They say you need the nosodes for a specific, limited, directed attack on whatever pathogen the nosodes represent.

People who have been treated well and aren't very sick, can make nosodes from their own blood. However, sick people like you should not do this.

Here's a quote:
QUOTE
To:
[email protected]
I was told to absolutely NOT start with your blood. It's simply too powerful. I've been going to see someone for almost six months and only in the last two weeks was I testing ok for doing the Bionic at 25% power with Biopure Lyme and co-infection nosodes. Doing the blood nosodes could also really mess up your regulation pathways if your body is not ready for it from what my doctor told me. You have to go slow and really need to be working with someone who can do ART to see what your body is ready for unless you're very good with a biotensor and have a good intuitive sense for healing.

UNQUOTE

By the way, i'll soon be getting a PE-1. One fellow in that forum does rife one week and PE-1 the next! I don't think they're compatible to do both at once--- is that right?

----Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 

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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
SO Blue.. Was it just a surprise ?

For you?

What will you do? Dont you have two rife machines now? Have you been using them at all?

Thats a lot of machines..

Let us know how it goes.

I might be wrong about what I said about you having two rife machines.. but that is just what I somehow remember you saying..
 

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Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Hey guys -- question -- for the frequencies all posted here -- do these apply to all machines we are discussing or not? Mine is EMEM DT and I don't have it yet.
I'm looking for frequencies for the Fry mystery bug, bartonella spp, and mycoplasmas in particular.
 

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Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
CD57--- i've been doing a Bartonella channel from the CAFL list, which seems to give me the feeling that i think it's working: frx:

364 379 645 654 786 840 842 844 846 848 850 857 967 6878 634 696 716 1518--- however, i run that as groups on a GB-4000; i think the EMEM doesn't do groups. It would take a lot of time to run all those separately. But Dan says the EMEM adds its own harmonics, which the GB-4000 doesn't do.

Springshowers says 72 and 120 for Fry Labs mystery bug. I didn't get a reaction to those, yet i did get a photo from Fry Labs showing a ring-form in or on a red blood cell.

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I wasn't feeling a reaction to 612 or 2016 recently, so i started doing sweeps. I've done that several times and i do feel reactions to those. I'm doing sweep 611-613, and sweep 2015-2017.
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I have information for R62 about hypercoagulation--- too bad she's incommunicado--- what happened to her?

On p 353 of Nenah Sylver's book, she quotes Dr Richard Loyd saying that treatment with an F-Scan, often at 62,000 Hz and 63,000 Hz, cleaned up hypercoagulation in the blood so that the RBC under a microscope weren't all clumping together.

----Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 

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Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 

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Originally posted by tick battler:
Wow Metallic, how exciting....It guess it's time to do some research!

Keep us posted!

By the way, have you tried rife yet?

tickbattler

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Originally posted by springshowers:
[b] SO Blue.. Was it just a surprise ?

For you?

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What will you do? Dont you have two rife machines now? Have you been using them at all?

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Thats a lot of machines..

Let us know how it goes.

I might be wrong about what I said about you having two rife machines.. but that is just what I somehow remember you saying.. [/qb]

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Originally posted by CD57:
[b] I was just reading my new Lyme and Rife book tonight. It is from 2004 so I assume a lot has changed since then.

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Question: book says the machines discussed therein are not known to be effective against the coinfections (maybe not in 2004. He also says that herbal abx will hinder progress.
So: -- who is treating with success the co's with Rife, or are you using herbals and/or abx also and having luck?

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My problem is that something grows back *fast* and I need to keep it at bay while I work on the Lyme. Its' probably the bart/Fry/myco bug, it's very debilitating (brain).

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Originally posted by pamoisondelune:
MB, you're not ready for the Bionic 880 till you get the homeopathic nosodes! You're not going to run it alone, are you?

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Wow! Nenah Sylver's book has a whole lot of Candida frequencies and excellent treatment advice.
I'nm glad i bought the book, "The Rife Handbook".

What are the copyright rules? I'm not allowed to divulge her lists of candida frequencies, am i? I'd at least have to ask written permission first, i'm sure.

It's a gold mine and i'm going to try them.

---Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed ]

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