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Posted by BugBit (Member # 7829) on :
Please know that Lyme can be transferred from pets and horses to humans.

I have been re-infected twice by dogs licking my face.

When you treat yourself, plz treat your pets.
Posted by sutherngrl (Member # 16270) on :
I guess anything is possible, but I don't think there is any scientific proof that you can be infected by being licked in the face by a dog.

My best guess would be you were in remission and relapsed or you were re-bitten by an infected tick; maybe that came off your dog.
Posted by BugBit (Member # 7829) on :
What have the scientists done for you lately?

1. I don't have a dog, it was a friends pet, and no, i was not re-bitten.

2. I have been Lyme-free for years.

3. Just try and take what folks say here as something to consider for your own safety and that of others. Try not to judge or jump to conclusions.

4. Why on earth would you decide that since I have not provided scientific proof that what I say has no value? Would you like the labs and that friends' statement?

5. I love dogs, but I won't let them lick me in the face.
Posted by BugBit (Member # 7829) on :
6. I don't CARE what your best guess is, my personal experience has far more value to me.
Posted by aiden424 (Member # 7633) on :
I don't think you can get lyme from a dog, cat, horse, or any other animal licking you. We have 4 dogs and a horse. They lick everyone in my family, but I'm the only one with Lyme.
Posted by BugBit (Member # 7829) on :
Yes, and you got a tick bite at some point when your immune system couldn't beat it off. They didn't.

Borellia has been found (yes, Scientifically proven) in tears, saliva, blood and urine and sweat.

Good grief. Just consider the possibility - respond with something other than emotion and attachment to your own pets.
Posted by sutherngrl (Member # 16270) on :
OMG, please don't get so defensive over me throwing out an opinion. Isn't that what you just did?

You did post this thread. And did you not expect others to chime in? Thats all I was doing? I don't mean to make you angry.

I just have to wonder why you would think a lick would be a more likely way to get LD, then a bite from a tick. And how do you know you weren't re-bitten or didn't relapse?

Actually my LLMD is a "scientist", he is a pathologist and a lyme researcher and he is doing a lot for me! He would laugh his head off if I told him that I got LD from a lick from a dog. Unless of course you were french kissing the dog. That would make more sense.

Sorry, I'm not making fun of you. I just don't buy this. Being re-bitten or relapsing just makes the most sense to me. We all have our own opinions though.

Your personal experience has no "scientific" basis, but thats just my opinion. I'm not saying it has no value!

We discuss opinions here. You don't have to get angry about it. Geesh!!!
Posted by BugBit (Member # 7829) on :
All I'm saying is to consider the possibility and please treat your pets when you treat yourself.

Veterinarians have far more resources for accurately testing animals for the Bb bacteria. So all those who get so defensive about their animals might want to consider having those pets tested by a Vet. THEN tell me you didn't get sick from your pet.

I reacted to Sutherngrl's statement because it was so blatantly condescending. I don't care if you buy it, I don't care what you think you know.

I was simply trying to pose a thought for consideration. You considered, judged and rejected. So be it for you. But if you can't get rid of it...

I have been living with Lyme for 50+ years and my parents had it before me. Yet 'science' says it's only been around since 1975 or so. Go figure.

Sheesh now I remember why I only dip in here every year or so. So many judges. Everyone is right, thing is, it isn't a matter of being right.
Because it hits us all so differently, Everyone is Right!

No One Knows anything about Lyme, for sure. But the Veterinarians have a better grip than any.
Posted by sutherngrl (Member # 16270) on :
I re-read my post and I was most definetly not blantantly condescending. I simply gave my opinion. I am not a rude person and try very hard not to sound rude.

When and if I do come across rude, I always apologize.

My opinion still stands!

If you are trying to start some kind of drama, I won't get involved in it. I don't go there!
Posted by merrygirl (Member # 12041) on :
I was a vet tech for 10 years. I also agree with sutherngrl. I dont think you can get it from a lick on the face. Bartonella maybe.

That would mean you could get lyme from kissing someone with lyme, I have no proof it couldnt happen, but you were more likely bitten by a tick that was on the dog or cat.

I have 4 dogs and 3 cats in a house of 4 adults and 2 kids. no dogs have lyme and no other human has lyme. I wont be getting rid of my pets.

sutherngrl was also not offensive or emotional in my opinion.
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
i have always wondered about the pet connection.

My dog has had some problems with walking and pains etc and my vet said "lets test for Lyme" . I told her I had lyme. She did not say it was something the go could give me but wanted to test anyway.

Got the test results back this morning and my dog does not have it. She also tested for many co infections and other infections that we all get tested for. She gave me a phamphlet and I said "looks like the testing list I go through at my doctors office". Ughh.. Scary.

I think we have to be careful because there is no proof either way really.

I have read about so many who said they find it in the tears and also sexually.. but that has not been proven either..

Who knows for sure.. Yet.. Nobody.

I say be careful... is a good warning.. and reminder...
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
Lymes job is to survive + thrive, isn't it ?

Does it really think it should go this way or that way ? I really doubt that. To me vets seem to be much more aware of the reality of the situation.

And why oh why are so many afraid of a clinical diagnosis ? Especially when the [bow] ELISA / Western blot is wrong almost 50% of the time ?
Posted by ChuckG (Member # 19093) on :
Originally posted by BugBit:

I have been living with Lyme for 50+ years and my parents had it before me. Yet 'science' says it's only been around since 1975 or so. Go figure.

Science says it has been around for thousands of years. "Lyme" dates to 1978.

The examination of preserved museum specimens has found Borrelia DNA in an infected Ixodes ricinus tick from Germany that dates back to 1884 and from an infected mouse from Cape Cod that died in 1894.[181]
In the 1950s, the relationship among tick bite, lymphocytoma, EM and Bannwarth's syndrome was recognized throughout Europe leading to the widespread use of penicillin for treatment in Europe.[187][188]
In 1970 a dermatologist in Wisconsin named Rudolph Scrimenti recognized an EM lesion in a patient after recalling a paper by Hellerstrm that had been reprinted in an American science journal in 1950. This was the first documented case of EM in the United States. Based on the European literature, he treated the patient with penicillin.[189]

Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
guys-us oldies have known for a long time it is really dangerous to put stuff out there as being true if there is no science to back it up

its ok to talk about it-but not to say it is true or fact

there are many discussions on here about whether lyme is sexually transmitted and lots of anecdotle examples---but the science is not conclusive yet

and borrelia being in fluids doesn't mean it can be transmitted ... its possible for sure...but again no conclusive science to prove it

talk about the issues just be careful not to say something is fact when you can't give the science that shows it

when that happens WE all start looking like fools and lose credibility
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
You can get worms from a dog licking your face/mouth because they lick their behind and then lick your face depositing the parasite eggs. The same would be true for any other pathogen they would be carrying.

Another Point:

If syphillis can be transmitted sexually (another spirochete) why wouldn't borrelia be able to be transmitted?

The LLMD that initially dx me found borrelia in semen he tested and it has been published and documented as scientific proof. Most of this is just common sense anyway.

It doesn't always need scientific proof. I have a medical background and if I was taking care of a patient with any infectious disease and they accidentally sprayed me with saliva I would be given antibiotics. I know because it happened to me.

Posted by Wimenin (Member # 15294) on :
Oh brother...

Sorry, but Ill refer to my LLMD or someone from the lyme medical community before my vet when it comes to the scientific facts regarding transmission of bacteria, specially borrelia from canine to humans.

If your face had an open wound, and if the dog had an active lyme precense, and if the saliva had borrelia present, or if the dog had blood in his mouth and the blood had active presence, etc.

Is it possible..yes. Is it probable.. no. But if you really want to be safe, no problem, treat the dog at the same time. Typically most dogs have some sort of tick, flea treatment in place while humans don't.

But its an interesting topic.

Next up... the transmission of CWD prions to humans via the digestion of venison.

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