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Posted by Tincup (Member # 5829) on :
 
I have no clue why they waste their time writing this garbage.

http://www.cdc.gov/eid/content/16/3/pdfs/379.pdf

[loco]
 
Posted by Tincup (Member # 5829) on :
 
Oh, that's right! They do it for the money!!!

How quickly I forget!!!

[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by tosho (Member # 10191) on :
 
Wormser is disgusting.

What about this? :/
http://www.cdc.gov/eid/content/14/7/1074.htm

Abstract
Bartonella spp. are facultative intracellular bacteria associated with several emerging diseases in humans and animals. B. henselae causes cat-scratch disease and is increasingly associated with several other syndromes, particularly ocular infections and endocarditis.

Cats are the main reservoir for B. henselae and the bacteria are transmitted to cats by cat fleas. However, new potential vectors are suspected of transmitting B. henselae, in particular, Ixodes ricinus, the most abundant ixodid tick that bites humans in western Europe.

We used a membrane-feeding technique to infect I. ricinus with B. henselae and demonstrate transmission of B. henselae within I. ricinus across developmental stages, migration or multiplication of B. henselae in salivary glands after a second meal, and transmission of viable and infective B. henselae from ticks to blood. These results provide evidence that I. ricinus is a competent vector for B. henselae.
 
Posted by tosho (Member # 10191) on :
 
Maybe someone can send an email to Wormser with this abstract above [Roll Eyes] because it seems that this article is not listed in references at the end of wormser's text.
It would be "interesting" to read his response.
 
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
 
Clinical diagnosis: obsessive / compulsive Worm !
[bonk] [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by KS (Member # 12549) on :
 
This makes me angry! His paper makes a conclusion that ticks can't transmit bartonella based on his biased assumptions of other reported cases, not scientific facts!! The only conclusion that he could maybe make here is that more studies need to be performed to better understand transmission, etc.

Seriously, what is wrong with his colleagues and other medical professionals? Anyone reviewing this stuff objectively would realize there is no value here..... ugh....
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
He's wrong.
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
TC, why did you have to go and tick me off first thing this morning with Worm studity?

I was asking myself where/why such stuff could come from and then I read your second post....money.

I woke up real sllllllooowwwwww this morning. Some darn semi ran over me last night?????

Pam
 
Posted by sickpuppy (Member # 23846) on :
 
The Worm and co--like a disease in themselves-- belong in prison.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
OH.. he's the one with the plastic surgery "worm" in his lip, right? [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by sutherngrl (Member # 16270) on :
 
The Worm and Co need to have studies done on them. It would go something like this.

Put numerous infected ticks on each IDSA board member. Leave ticks on for 47 hours. I think they say it takes 48 hours for the tick to pass lyme to a human.

Once they become ill, leave them untreated for 2 years. Then at that point treat the Worm for 4 weeks and treat the others for 5 years. Unless of course their Elisa and WB test comes back negative; then no treatment will be needed and this will make the study null and void. That will too bad!

At this time give them various diagnoses, such as FM, CFS, MS, or mental disoder...... or maybe its just the "aches and pains of daily living"!

If LD is so hard to get and so easy to treat, they should not mind volunteering for this study!
 
Posted by WildCondor (Member # 434) on :
 
Can someone post the studies of the proof that bartonella IS in ticks please. Thanks!
 
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
 
How are we certain that the ticks carry bart?

We may have been carriers of Bart (in fact a lot of people probably are)... but lyme brings down our immune system and crap bacteria that's been in our bodies for years comes roaring out.

Fact is we don't know much about all of this crap.

When my Lyme symptoms started i was diagnosed with H Pylori as well. Did MY tick carry H Pylori too?

Doubt it. Borrelia just cleared the path for it.
 
Posted by tosho (Member # 10191) on :
 
WildCondor, here is one suggesting that ticks may act as a Bartonella reservoir and vector:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/l7622381l70t11h0/

Another one:
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=981498


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12643827

http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/76/5/1395
 
Posted by Tincup (Member # 5829) on :
 
Cane said... "How are we certain that the ticks carry bart?"

Prior to Dr B addressing it in his work- I asked if he please would do so because we were having big problems with it years ago and really needed help - I sent him 45 medical citations/articles stating Bart was found in ticks.

There are more published now.. but originally I found 45 of them.

[Big Grin]
 


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