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Posted by Annelet (Member # 13503) on :
 
Are there any antibiotics that Milk Thistle SHOULDN'T be taken with ?
Anne
 
Posted by maureen2174 (Member # 11471) on :
 
i have heard that it shouldn't be taken with mepron (but that is not an abx., it is antimalaria). it reduces the absorption rate of mepron in the body from what i have read from others.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
also studies show that it can reduce Flagyl by 30%
 
Posted by 22dreams (Member # 17846) on :
 
I heard about a single study relevant to erythromycin and rifampin (among other meds).

Study was to do with HIV patients & small concentrations of milk thistle.

Milk thistle significantly slowed down the activity of the liver enzyme CYP3A4 by 50% to 100%.

Causing an Increase in blood levels of the antibiotics---thus increasing any side-effects.

Below is a link to a list of other meds that are processed through that same CYP3A4 enzyme:

http://www.hcvadvocate.org/hepatitis/hepC/mthistle.html

oh, and Mepron is on the list as having its levels lowered as the person above stated. Also Ativan and estrogen.

http://dmd.aspetjournals.org/content/28/11/1270.full
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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3/4 of the way down page one, there are lots of LIVER LINKS:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=065801

Topic: TINNITUS: Ringing Between The Ears; Vestibular, Balance, Hearing with compiled links - including HYPERACUSIS
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Posted by JunkYardWily (Member # 24271) on :
 
so keebler this is another thing ive seen on milk thistle not being so hot. im on rifampin now should i stop the mt? if not should i lower my dosage of mt?
 
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
 
There are 2 supplement companies that have specifically designed supplements so their products do not interact or interact as little as possible with drugs:

www.inno-vita.com
www.systemicformulas.com
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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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JunkYardWily, ask your doctor.

No, this is not another thing about "milk thistle not being so hot" - Please read all this liver links and it will become clearer. It's rather complex.

But, always, ask your doctor. Read what all the LL authors suggest.
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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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To compare and contrast the work of authors regarding complementary methods -- abbreviated list:
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http://www.ilads.org/lyme_disease/B_guidelines_12_17_08.pdf

Advanced Topics in Lyme Disease (Diagnostic Hints and Treatment Guidelines for Lyme and Other Tick Borne Illnesses

Dr. Burrascano's Treatment Guidelines (2008) - 37 pages

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As important as any supplements, sections regarding self-care:

Go to page 27 for SUPPORTIVE THERAPY & the CERTAIN ABSOLUTE RULES

and also pages 31-32 for advice on a safe, non-aerobic exercise plan and physical rehabilitation.

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MAJOR REFERENCE LIST FOR SUPPLEMENTS:

This is included in Burrascano's Guidelines, but you may want to be able to refer to it separately, too:

http://www.lymepa.org/Nutritional_Supplements.pdf

** Nutritional Supplements in Disseminated Lyme Disease **

J.J. Burrascano, Jr., MD (2008) - Four pages

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http://www.lymeinducedautism.com/images/Lymewhat_is_it_part_3,_LIA.pdf

LYME DISEASE Considerations in Diagnosis and Management

June 26, 2008 Lyme-autism Connection Conference

125 pages - Powerpoint presentation

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Same author:

Chapter 1 from the book "Insights Into Lyme Disease Treatment"

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http://www.klinghardtneurobiology.com/LymeProtocolOct09.pdf

A Treatment Guide: Lyme and other Chronic Infections

by Dietrich Klinghardt, MD, PhD

October 2009 - 87 pages

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Great information about treatments options and support measures, this book is one that should be required reading, absolutely required - as an introduction:

http://tinyurl.com/6lq3pb (through Amazon)

THE LYME DISEASE SOLUTION (2008)

- by Kenneth B. Singleton , MD; James A. Duke. Ph.D. (Foreword)

You can read more about it here and see customer reviews.

Web site: www.lymedoctor.com
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Posted by MariaA (Member # 9128) on :
 
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Originally posted by massman:
There are 2 supplement companies that have specifically designed supplements so their products do not interact or interact as little as possible with drugs:

www.inno-vita.com
www.systemicformulas.com


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Oh come on, that's so not true. the first one of those that I opened the ingredient lists to contained grapefruit, which is a major drug interaction issue. I looked at a few others (without looking up drug interactions for the herbs other than a few I knew off the top of my head) and found dandelion, red root, grapefruit again, and other stuff that interacts with various drugs.
 
Posted by Annelet (Member # 13503) on :
 
Thank you everyone....very helpful
 
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
 
MariaA - combining specific parts of specific herbs changes how those specific parts then work.

The sum is greater than the total of the parts.

Does the energy and performance of a team change when different players are used ? Or did Michael Jordan perform by himself when other specific teammates were on the court with him ?

One herb when used by itself can have certain side effects. But it can be specifically blended with others so side effects are greatly decreased or eliminated. That is one of the basic things Systemic Formulas and Inno-Vita products are based on.

If I don't really understand something I do not attack + belittle it.

[ 04-03-2010, 09:16 AM: Message edited by: massman ]
 
Posted by skigal (Member # 7443) on :
 
"Or did Michael Jackson perform by himself when other specific teammates were on the court with him"


You've got the wrong Michael, that would be Jordan NOT Jackson [Smile] .
 
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
 
Thanks skigal, just edited it.
Excuse is early AM.

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