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Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
I was reading a post about how Buhner has changed his core protocol. What herbs is he recommending now? Thanks.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
The book is still very valuable with a ton of great detail, so it's not about just listing herbs - the book explains so much.

You might look around the websites.

I don't readily see his comment about how he is putting less emphasis on one supplement - or just is seeing that others may have more benefit.


Book: Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme Borreliosis And Its Coinfections - by Stephen Harrod Buhner

website - see both pages, for a start:

Q & A:
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
Here's the link to the source, the original comment that started the buzz:

Question posed:

. . . 1) In your book on page 78 you state that ``Andrographis is perhaps the best primary herb to use in the treatment of lyme disease.''

However, on page 74 in your update you say that ``the single most important herb is Japanese Knotweed, secondarily Cat's Claw ... Andrgraphis is problematic ... may produce side effects.''

If one is able to tolerate it, do you still recommend Andrographis or are t he potential risks greater than the potential benefits? . . . .

Buhner replies:

"I think andrographis is fine if you do tolerate it.

Over time I have come to feel that knotweed followed by cat's claw are the two best primary herbs followed by eleuthero followed by andrographis then stephania.

(In the last book updates I did not notice that andrographis statement.)

If you tolerate it (that is, no allergic reaction) there is no reason not to be on the herb long term.

If you are feeling better, keep at it. If you experience digestive upset, take them with food, otherwise it doesn't matter.

Yes, andrographis helps break the encysted forms. The red root should be taken as a tincture, not a pill. The most important for the collagen protocol are glucosamine, pregnenolone, biosil."

- end quote.

posted on December 11, 2009
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
What is biosil?

Does Buhner have a recommendation for collagen protocol?

(I guess i need to pull his book back out : )
Posted by FunkOdyssey (Member # 15855) on :
Originally posted by canefan17:
What is biosil?

Does Buhner have a recommendation for collagen protocol?

(I guess i need to pull his book back out : )

His recommendations for collagen support include a product with bioavailable silicon such as I linked above, glucosamine, and pregnenolone (I really wonder about that last though, doesn't seem wise to me).
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
This is the 2nd time someone has told me to take silicon for a slight hernia or connective tissue damage.

Guess maybe I'll give it a shot.

Maybe it'll help with my knees, elbows, etc

There isn't a product with silicon and glucosamine in it?
Posted by FunkOdyssey (Member # 15855) on :
Not that I know of, the good silicon products are always a liquid solution, and glucosamine is a large amount of powder either encapsulated or in tablet form.
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
I like the idea of taking the tincture of JarroSil

What about this for glucosamine

I don't want anymore capsules.

I could throw some of this powder in my protein shakes, no?

What is MSM, is this safe for us Lymies?
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
canefan17 just posted this at another thread:

Just got off the phone with this website...

Buhner works directly with them and recommends them (even more-so than source-naturals)

Only reason Buhner recommends source naturals is because when he wrote his book they were the only company using the whole plant (japanese knotweed)

Now for the exciting news...

They have a Buhner Core Protocol Product (360 capsules for $50) that combines japanese knotweed, Andrographis, cats claw, sarsaparilla(detox/lymph), and dandelion.

The guy on the phone takes it and was telling me a lot of people use it in conjunction with abx's.

Just giving you Buhner-Users a headsup. This sounds much easier to manage/take/find and is much cheaper.

Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
Thanks Keebler and everyone. I bought some Andrographis today to try out. I have been taking 8 cups of green tea, cat's claw and olive leaf. Thought I would add the Andrographis.

I have been afraid of the knotweed because it dilates blood vessels, and I have autonomic dysfunction which causes blood to pool from my head to my feet because of blood vessels dilating inappropriately.

Green Tea is loaded with lots of phytochemicals, reduces inflamation and helps to kill the bacteria that causes gum disease, which I believe is a spirochete.

Thanks again

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