certain bacteria?
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
Good question. Sorry I can't answer it but maybe someone else can.
Posted by jwick25 (Member # 15190) on :
I've wondered the same thing. Wish I had an answer!
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Why do we need a fly swatter sometimes and a sledge hammer other times?
Even chemicals are restricted in their function. -
Posted by sutherngrl (Member # 16270) on :
There are different types of bacteria, thus you need different types of antibiotics. Like Doxy will not kill the strep bacteria, but zithromax will and so on.
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
They were designed that way.
Not for you, not for me. Designed so drug companies could make lots of money.
And the massive overuse like with kids for ear problems made a lot of them less effective. Many of those ear infections were from viruses so the antibiotics were useless.
There are specifically mixed herbals - NOT single herbs - that are what we can call broadscope - that are effective for many types of bacteria. And they do not kill the good bacteria that are supposed to keep your intestines and immune system healthy.
Posted by aiden424 (Member # 7633) on :
quote:Originally posted by sutherngrl: There are different types of bacteria, thus you need different types of antibiotics. Like Doxy will not kill the strep bacteria, but zithromax will and so on.
I think Doxy does work on some stains of strep. My family all had strep and I got a really bad sore throat and headache with a temp of 102. The only antibiotic I had was Doxy so I took that and was much better the next day.
Posted by Remember to Smile (Member # 25481) on :
"Antibiotic" is a very broad term. It means "anti-life."
There are MANY "broad-spectrum antibiotics" that can & do kill numerous species of both helpful and harmful bacteria, but that can literally be "overkill."
Some antibiotics are antifungals, some are antiviral agents, and others are antibacterial in the way they act.
In contrast, we know to ingest "probiotics" to get healthy flora in our guts to help process our food. "Probiotic" means "Pro-life," so probiotic supplements support living things that we've learned are essential for proper body functioning.
Antibacterials are a group of antibiotics knoown to harm or kill bacteria. That is still a VERY broad category.
There are WAY more microbes (little microscopic beasts) living on this earth than all the birds & mammals most people think of when talking about living creatures in general.
So, back to your question...
It is VITAL to focus on using a very specific antibacterial agent (drug or herb) targeted at THE parasitic species AND the life stage of that bacterial parasite which is most negatively impacting your health at this time.
Not all bacteria are the same, just as not all beasts with spines (Vertebrates) are biologically identical.
So, we want to kill spirochetes, or a virus, or...
Well, our LLMD's focus treatment protocols just for us as individual. LLMDs understand about the complex life cycles of spirochetes. Spirochetes are WAY more complex than other bacteria. They act more like intelligent protozoans, not the simple bacterial organisms most PCPs focus on.
IF we were dealing just with the more common species of pathogenic bacteria, it'd be easier to target bacteria with a cell wall with "Cell wall bacteria-cide C" (i made that up) and try to rid ourselves of all the parasitic bacteria without cell walls with a Rx for "No Cell Wall NC Kill 'em" (made that up, too).
But, instead, thousands upon thousands of Americans are suffering with spirochete infections. And spirochetes can take on 4 different forms!
There's more about this in many published research papers. Try looking around on the ILADS website for some great articles about the stealth spirochete our LLMD's are willing to tackle with us.
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
hmm, good question.
i asked it recently in the er when i was being treated for diverticulitis.
i told them i was taking biaxin and they said "totally useless. won't touch this stuff. you need flagyl and cipro."
so apparently what i was doing wasn't working cause i was getting much worse. i'm still bad but not as bad as i was, so apparently it's true.
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
How can we treat effectively with specific ABX (antibiotics) if we cant TEST effectively to find out what we really have ? ? ?
Posted by lymetwister (Member # 19590) on :
RememberToSmile, thank you for typing what I would have typed.
I jumped into the thread with a question I could answer being a Nurse.
You beat me too it..........
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
How can we treat effectively with specific ABX (antibiotics) if we cant TEST effectively to find out what we really have ? ? ?
Posted by lymetwister (Member # 19590) on :
Massman,
Some do test pos. for their infections, while others don't.
Even those that test pos. may have another infection that doesn't show. The testing methods with this disease are outdated. This is not in question and new methods need to come about. I would think even the IDSA would agree. This is why the CDC also states that Lyme can be a clinical diagnosis as well.
With that said, there are many strains of the co's. BLO and Babs are good examples.
Despite the strain, the protocols seem to address the strains, despite what they are. Treatment is not nailed down, thats why when one drug doesn't work another is tried.
There is much to learn about treating this disease efficiently and quickly. For now, we have to treat with what we know or what the LLMD's know.
Help me out here folks if I'm not stating this correctly.
Gary
Posted by Remember to Smile (Member # 25481) on :
Hi, all. To continue where Gary left off...
There ARE effective tests available through IgenX in CA, MDL in NJ, and Stony Brook in NY.
imho, more research into effective treatments for those with late stage chronic Lyme is most needed, rather than throwing more $$$ at the testing issue. Continuing the lame debate about testing is part of the corruption & greed-feed plans of GlaxoSmithKline/ Kaiser/ IDSA, et al.
Thousands upon thousands of holistic practitioners worldwide have dx, tx, and healed people, pets & livestock of fevers, etc based on "clinical diagnoses" without the (questionable) "benefit" of lab tests.
A significant reason for the diversity in treatment effectiveness is that each case of LD & co's is unique. Every person infected gets a different cocktail of pathogens from the dirty mouth of whatever bit them or from the saliva of someone close to them, etc.
And LD & co's strike each person at a unique life stage with regard to their personal health history, current stressors, dietary problems or strengths, genetics, exposures to environmental toxins, etc.
We're blessed to have ILADS-trained LLMDs who look at our whole life situation, not just one body system as many conventional Western medicine ducks have done.
To maximize results with abx, we need to get more health-care practitioners to train with an ILADS mentor.
How many healthcare workers have you told about ILADS training & mentoring opportunities?