After much consideration...i've decided to not go on abx. My homeopathic dr. strongly believes certain people with certain miasms are vulnerable to certain diseases, and that homeopathy can correct these miasms resulting in the disintegration of the root of disease.
I personally feel strongly against using abx but I have no doubts they help many people. I just dont feel its best in my case at this point.
I've read alot online about successful stories of people that heal without abx, but it seems like here on lyment abx is the mainstream method.
Anybody have any positive feedback on homeopathy as an alternative?
Posted by j57401 (Member # 26395) on :
I should add, this is in regards to Chronic Lyme. I believe in abx 100% in new cases.
Posted by JR (Member # 16898) on :
Nothing is set in stone. If you are more comfortable with your homeopathic doc, then go with that for now. If you see progress then continue. If you don't see progress, then you can always make a different decision. Take Care, Be Well
Posted by jl123 (Member # 15594) on :
As someone who has tried homeopathic remedies of all kinds and from many many homeopaths I find that these elements are as strong and in some cases stronger than abx or anything for that matter. But alas for me ALL homeopathic remedies have brought my body and mind to its knees and made me much more sick than I ever was before. It feels like homeopathics change the DNa/Rna structure at the core.
To my mind homeopaphy is very random and while it might work it also might make you worse. Of course your local Homeopath will never tell you that. j
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
There is a previous member who I have talked to on the phone several times and who is better. I haven't seen nor heard from him in a year or two. He used classical homeopathy.
Posted by dmc (Member # 5102) on :
I know naturapath doctors who went the abx route for their own lyme. (went to my llmds)
So, try it, if doesn't help rethink. Only you can do what you feel comfortable with.
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
Allergie-Immun treatment [see long thread!] is aimed precisely at clearing the inherited miasms and other acquired disregulations from our environment.
It may be worth your while to read some of the thread to see if you want tp try it.
Posted by j57401 (Member # 26395) on :
Thanks all, I've been under homeopathic care the last year and a half, withOUT knowing I had lyme. Yes, there are times that one may feel worse physically or mentally. Just like with LLMD's it all depends on the doc. my doses are extremely small, so that if there is a major reaction, its minimum.
I haven't counted abx out. It just seems so far the classical homeopathic route with this doc has (although extremely slow) shown much mental improvement.
Considering some people are on abx for years at a time too, i figured each path is pretty slow acting.
I will check out that thread, thanks ukcarry!
J.
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
Would you consider herbs or just homeopathic remedies? My children are doing very well now on homeopathy (for viruses) and herbs for the lyme/coinfections. However, they started with 2 years of abx. They now have candida issues from the abx and allergies from the overgrowth of candida.
If you can get well on herbs and homeopathy, that is a very good way to go. I do think that some may need abx, however. I have not heard of anyone who used only homeopathy to get well.
tickbattler
Posted by j57401 (Member # 26395) on :
yes... i consider herbs and i do take some already. i was on abx for a long time ...even before i had lyme disease. they've kind of already done damage long ago.
I am sure at some point i will get put on abx for lyme but i really feel like some of these layers need to be peeled away before i approach that. Or, maybe its the other way around. Not sure.
tickbattler...did your children ever have the musculoskeletal pain?
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
Yes, my children had muscle pain, joint pain, headaches, insomnia, hyperactivity, light and sound sensitivity, and many more symptoms.
tickbattler
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
I really didn't understand what homeopathic remedies were until just recently. I took a test on an Asyra machine and was then given a tincture. The tincture was imprinted with information from my tests. Sort of like you copy information onto a CD.
I assumed the tincture was some sort of herb but I now realize that it is an imprint of all the funky stuff in my body and that is the remedy. My first tincture brought back symptoms that I had not had in a year so, I don't know what to make of it. I have not really had a problem with pain in the past, I now do, but I have only taken one tincture.
I am going to try two more tinctures starting tomorrow. If things get worse I will probably try a different route. When I read about what I am going to be putting in my body it sounds much scarier than abx. I guess I am trusting my doctor.
He bought this machine because he saw some miraculous cure to a young boy that he thought would never get better.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Haley, you might ask your practitioner what he calls the liquid - but it's probably called a homeopathic "remedy" or "treatment" as a tincture would be from an herb or combination of herb/plant material.
Good luck with your treatment. -
Posted by bcb1200 (Member # 25745) on :
I just met a guy yesterday whose daughter was cured from lyme (over 1 year infected) by herbs / natural medicine. Abx did nothing for her.
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
Keebler, The liquid is water and 15% alcohol. The Asyra machine takes information from your body and applies frequency waves to the tincture. So it imprints the remedy onto the tincture. It will customize what your body needs.
The machine can create an herbal remedy. For example one of my remedies was Conium Maculatum which you can find in the Materia Medica for a symptom picture. But it was the machine that created the tincture.
I'm telling you, this stuff is science fiction. I may just be blinded by the brilliance of my doctor.
[ 07-30-2010, 05:22 PM: Message edited by: Haley ]
Posted by applewine (Member # 26220) on :
There is no benefit to homeopathy. It is complete BS. The only effeects it can have are psychological if the doctor is nice to you. Homeopathy is supernatural. Watch the Pen and Teller episode of Bull**** that was done on alternative medicine. It is not logical even in theory, which is objectively provable. The solutions contain nothing. I suggest you try another treatment or another doctor.
Posted by c3mom (Member # 16412) on :
I would also look into Cold Laser Therapy. I did abx for a year and a half and would always plateau. The Cold laser uses frequencies and is able to penetrate the skin into the bone. It is a Rife Concept, but 100x faster.
PM me if interested
Posted by c3mom (Member # 16412) on :
I forgot to add that the Cold laser killed Bart, Lyme and EBV. We are now using it on the Yeast.
Posted by troutscout (Member # 3121) on :
I've been around this block too many times....
I personally don't believe that you can beat this with Homoepathy alone.
Homeopathy is the basis that Modern Medicine was started from.... but, I just don't believe its enough.
Trout Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
Applewine. My doctor is a complete genius and he would not do anything that was not based on logical principles. He explained to me how it works. It is very complicated. He doesn't claim that everyone will get well this way but he is coming up with alternatives to abx.
He also has an IV room where many of his patients are on IV abx. He is also getting a Hyperbaric oxygen chamber. He is ahead of many doctors in my opinion.
He tells me that I can stay on my abx protocol while I try this method but he probably would prefer that I try it without first.
Believe me I am far from the idea of not taking abx anymore but at this point I am willing to try new things. If I feel that it is making things worse I will stop.
It is definitely not psychological.
Also, as boyfriend who is an MD says - plants can be just as powerful as prescriptions. Think of Cocaine, obtained from the leaves of the coca plant.
[ 07-30-2010, 05:20 PM: Message edited by: Haley ]
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
My experience with cold laser was amazing.
Been looking into it for a better method of maintaince that Rife.. Like C3mom said.
Pmd you..
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Like Penn and Teller are experts... I thought they were comedians.
Right, they know all the answers. Psssst. They are a glorified vaudeville act... Good place to get medical (mis)information.
Penn & Teller (Penn Jillette and Teller) are Las Vegas headliners whose act is an amalgam of illusion and comedy. Penn Jillette is a raconteur; Teller generally uses mime while performing, although his voice can occasionally be heard throughout their performance. They specialize in gory tricks, exposing frauds, and performing clever pranks, and have become associated with Las Vegas, atheism, and scientific skepticism.
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Homeopathy is the basis of modern vaccines. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't - just like most "modern" medicine.
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
I have not had any success with it.
Funny, when these homeopathic doctors are diagnosed with lyme, they do abx. I know a vet that used muscle testing to treat animals. He did not diagnose effectively and did not pick up on the lyme a horse had, that was covered in ticks. One of the ticks bit him and he got sick, finding out 15 months later when he was in heart failure that he had lyme.
He took doxy.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
I with Trout. Give me everything and the kitchen sick....
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
I would not limit myself to one modality. It often takes many different types of treatments depending on the individual.
In my view, lyme and co-infections are best treated clincially. That is, treatment should be based on how one responds.
I've been using homeopathy for a very long time. The key is getting the right remedy. A remedy won't work if it is not exactly right for you and your specific problem.
Homeopathic remedies are regulated by the FDA, not as a food like most other supplements but as a drug. I have found them to be remarkable at times and I would not want to be without them as a tool in my toolbox. I really don't give a rip if the reason they work is placebo or not. I personally don't believe that they work due to placebo but they do work and that is good enough for me.
edited to add: Just because something seems illogical based on current science does not mean that it is. For example, many aspects of quantum physics appear highly illogical but science has proven them to be true. One example is quantum entanglement.
As new science is discovered, we may come to understand why homeopathy works.
Terry I'm not a doctor
[ 07-31-2010, 12:51 PM: Message edited by: TerryK ]
Posted by j57401 (Member # 26395) on :
quote:Originally posted by Haley: I really didn't understand what homeopathic remedies were until just recently. I took a test on an Asyra machine and was then given a tincture. The tincture was imprinted with information from my tests. Sort of like you copy information onto a CD.
I assumed the tincture was some sort of herb but I now realize that it is an imprint of all the funky stuff in my body and that is the remedy. My first tincture brought back symptoms that I had not had in a year so, I don't know what to make of it. I have not really had a problem with pain in the past, I now do, but I have only taken one tincture.....
That is not classical homeopathy... its much different.
Posted by j57401 (Member # 26395) on :
quote:Originally posted by applewine: There is no benefit to homeopathy. It is complete BS. The only effeects it can have are psychological if the doctor is nice to you. Homeopathy is supernatural. Watch the Pen and Teller episode of Bull**** that was done on alternative medicine. It is not logical even in theory, which is objectively provable. The solutions contain nothing. I suggest you try another treatment or another doctor.
I believe I put the term "positive feedback" when i asked for input. I can attest to very real progress being made on homeopathics, again, maybe its only an anecdote since its hard to measure the progress scientifically. But wherever you got your information, apparently you didn't have a positive experience. no need to bash a science based on very little knowledge.
Thanks anyway.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- For clarification of terms (as there are so many with natural medicine), tinctures are from herbs - tinctures must contain actual herb/plant material. Otherwise, it's called a homeopathic remedy. Even if it has an imprint of plant material, in absence of actual plant material, it would not be called a tincture. All homeopathic remedies are imprints of something from nature, just not containing the actual material.
Although, I've also seen homeopathic remedies made on a special computer machine - for an Rx. I've had this done twice to get my body ready for medicines that had previously knocked me out.
It worked for one but not at all for the other. I seriously doubted that the Rx implant remedy would have any effect but I sure was surprised when the imprint for Neurotin had the exact same effects on me as the drug had with prior trials.
Here, I had not believed at all that the remedy was really anything but proceeded with an open mind anyway. The effects were profound, really. I knew then that my body just couldn't hand Neurontin - no matter how diluted the dose. -
Posted by j57401 (Member # 26395) on :
quote:Originally posted by TerryK: I would not limit myself to one modality. It often takes many different types of treatments depending on the individual......
I agree with you Terry, never have limited myself to only 1 modality. I'm a firm believer in using what works and supporting it with other things that work with your body. I just dont believe abx in the long run work with your body. I was mostly looking for good success stories from people who treated with homeopathy.
All homeopathic docs are diff, just like there are good western med or LLMD docs and others blow big time.
The hp doc I work with uses only 1 remedy at a time, never blends, and extremely low doses, and NEVER repeats doses. you climb the latter so to speak until you hit another layer that requires a different remedy.
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
Unfortuantely I don't have a good success story as far as treatment by a classic homeopathic doctor. I was seeing one for several years prior to figuring out that I had lyme disease. I got a lot worse during that time.
When I told him I had a positive lyme test he said a lot of his patients did. He would not treat lyme. He operated much like your doctor but we weren't directly treating lyme so nothing can be inferred from my treatment with him as far as lyme and like you said, docs are diff.
I do know that several people here have treated with homeopathy for lyme. Usually nosodes from here (although several other companies make them): http://www.desbio.com/series-therapy.html
You need a doctors prescription to get them. Some have had great success. I have concerns about borrelia as a nosode based on what I've read about survival even in the face of freezing and processing for blood banking.
I've posted in this thread with information when I contacted the manufacturer to find out how the borrelia pathogen was killed for the remedy. You might want to read some of the info there if you are concerned about borrelia nosodes.
Last December I was nearly on my deathbed from lyme disease. Homeopathic and herbal medicine saved my life. I have late stage lyme disease, didn't get dx until five years ago. Took abx for five years and only got worse. Abx didn't do a thing for me, in fact, they ruined my gut.
* For the record, I am NOT anti-antibiotics.
I went to a DC in Wichita, KS who once had Lyme disease himself. He's written a book (several actually), "Beating Lyme Disease" by Dr. David Jernigan. He's walked in our shoes and know's this disease inside and out. If you want to read more about my experience with homeopathic treatment and therapy, see my thread that I started in January.
I don't claim that this is the "only" way to get better from Lyme disease, but I can say with some certainty, that had I not gone to this doctor for treatment, I seriously doubt I would be alive today.
If you have any questions feel free to post them here or email me at [email protected]
You can beat this disease!
Gary
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by applewine: There is no benefit to homeopathy. It is complete BS. The only effeects it can have are psychological if the doctor is nice to you. Homeopathy is supernatural. Watch the Pen and Teller episode of Bull**** that was done on alternative medicine. It is not logical even in theory, which is objectively provable. The solutions contain nothing. I suggest you try another treatment or another doctor.
Why some people would come on here to reveal their ignorance and make a fool out of themselves is beyond me. So, what makes you an expert on this subject?
Gary
Posted by lightparfait (Member # 22022) on :
What I have found and observed is that there is not a one size fits all treatment! Homeopathy does work...some clear with it, and others just manage symptoms with it and need antibiotics to keep the bugs stored deeper just to function.
It is foolish to put others down who are posting about treatments they have experienced success with. We owe each other that respect...as wse all post to help others and get help for ourselves.
The biggest thing to work on that gets overlooked and is a major part of the picture is emotional clearing. Miasms are not known, they are stored deep in your dna. Passed rom generation to generation. Clear those...can be done either with homeopathy, or many here are doing the Allergie Immune therapy, to clear those very quickly, then seen what is left to work on.
Those once cleared...will not return...there is no relapse when those are removed...all will experience some sort of emotional relief with this. For some this is life changing alone!
I suggest for those who feel led to this...give the allergie immune therapy a try, clear the miasms and emotions, and allow your immune system to process things better!
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
light, I agree with what you said. Thanks for saying it.
I am still interested in the AI thing, but the problem with me is I'm too simple minded (black and white) and the AI is too complicated for me to understand. I like to know the what, how, why, etc of how this stuff works.
Plus, I get nervous about taking something that doesn't list all the ingredients in it. I'm far more open to unconventional medicine since getting better on the Jernigan protocol, but at least I know what the ingredients are in the remedies I'm taking, and that's something that's important to me.
Maybe you can help me to understand this AI protocol a bit better. Feel free to email me at [email protected] if you wish, or post it here. Either way is fine with me.
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