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Posted by LymeCFIDSMCS (Member # 13573) on :
For the first time since I got bartonella six years ago, I suddenly have one of those stripe-y rashes (three stripes) under one breast. I have never had this before, but I know from pictures it's a very characteristic bart rash.

Is is possibly a herx? Do people get new bart rashes years into treatment from herxing?

It is freaking me out. I have been outdoors lately but very very careful -- wearing tall boots, checking for ticks. I will lose it if this is a new infection.
Posted by Leelee (Member # 19112) on :
I don't know the answer to your question, but I would like to follow this thread and see what others think.

Have you been on abx the entire six years?

My guess is that the bart can hang around for years and years even while on abx before showing up again, but I don't really know.

I think I have had Bart for about 30 years. I have been on abx for a year and a half. To this day I still get bizarre skin stuff happening to me.
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
Yes, it happens. It happened to me when I started doxy. Tests were negative but my LLMD said there was no doubt that the long red streaks I suddenly got were from bart. I likely had it for decades but never had the rash before. It took the streaks several years to clear up and I still have a faint one left.

Back when this happened, I did a search here at lymenet and several other people had the same thing happen.

Edited to add,
It is highly unlikely that the rash was from a new infection. I don't have cats, had not been scratched by cat or dog recently and I have only seen one tick at my house in 20 years and that was brought in on a bunch of flowers that my daughter brought over.

That said, of course it's possible to contract a new bart infection without my knowledge. Stranger things have happened afterall, I have lyme which is impossible because we don't have lyme in Oregon. [Big Grin]

Posted by Marrit (Member # 25454) on :
See my post on Bart title "Bartonella-Information Update."
According to a recent Infectious Disease report, antibiotics generally are not effective in eliminating Bart!
Posted by erikjh1972 (Member # 20964) on :
do these rashes(bart rashes) the stripped one's go away fast?? when i started treatment a year ago i would get these rashes on my back but they would only last 20-30 min. then disappear, i figured it was a herx from the lyme at the time.
now im not so sure.
also, i havent had one of these rashes since late last year.

does anyone have any insight on this please???

thnks in advance.
Posted by LymeCFIDSMCS (Member # 13573) on :
Thanks everyone!
I have been on bart treatment (Cipro then Rifampin) for 3 years now. I take a lot of herbs (i.e. Houttuynia) as well.

I took a brief break of about five or six days from Rifampin recently, as my liver felt taxed, and then resumed, so now I'm thinking that could have brought on a new herx? (Resuming that is).

I *know* my bart isn't gone. I relapse very quickly if I go off of meds and my bart symptoms have always been dramatic (mainly the cardiac symptoms) -- however, I sure do want to eliminate this bug!!!!

I am less worried now after reading these posts and now think it IS a herx -- so thank you for reducing my freak-out!
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
erik -
I watched a presentation from a doctor on bart rashes and he stated that they don't go away until the infection goes. It took a long time for mine to go.

OTOH, I've read a number of accounts from patients over the years who say some of them can come and go quickly.

I know that heat can make them more visible - like taking a bath or shower. So, they may not be very visible until the temperature changes.

Basically, your guess is as good as mine. What does your doctor say?

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