We are switching up my treatment to finally hit Babs (something I have never done except with occassional artemisinin). So I will now be on Zith/Mepron. (I was just on zith/rifampin.)
My question is what can I add (herbally) to continue to hit the bart? My neuro symptoms are off the charts. Very uncomfortable. Buzz buzz buzz.
Thanks! Tammy
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
Anyone? Someone mentioned perhaps Cat's Claw (Una de Gato). Thoughts?
I'm afraid to step away from Bart treatment.
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
Nefferdum who seems to know a ton about Bart has repeatedly said all bart herbs are useless and only real Abx can beat it/suppress it.
I've heard of herbal mixes like A-Bart, HH, and homeopathics like Deseret Biologicals Bartonella Remedy. I have no experience with any of them though. Of course you can rife away anything too!
Levaquin and Rifampin seem to be the winners with maybe some Bactrim DS tossed in for fun.
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
Thanks seekhelp.
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
Cumanda and Banderol for sure.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I have heard Humaworm hits bart and judging by how it used to hit me when I used it I would say that's very possible. You take care of parasites at the same time.
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
We are currently using Cumanda as a Bart treatment, and symptoms were reduced immediately.
I do not know if it can totally eliminate Bart, but it certainly does have a negative effect on the co-infection.
I plan on using both frequency treatments and Cumanda to see if it can be eliminated that way.
Dan
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
The Antiparasitic herbs like Humaworm, Hulda Clark, Hanna Kroeger, Parastroy etc. have helped me with all of the co-infections. The herbs should contain Wormwood, Black Walnut Hull and Cloves.
Humaworm, Hanna Kroeger and Parastroy contain a lot of other herbs that are too numerous to list, but I think are very effective against Lyme and Co.
Gael
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
Cumanda is our practitioner's bart treatment. It has gotten rid of it in my 3 young children and myself. We also take Samento with it and that shows as hitting bart too but will not kill it alone. Cumanda can apparently kill it on its own, according to our practitioner.
tickbattler
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
I am glad to hear that Cumanda can kill Bart on its own, but what time frame is needed to accomplish it?
What dosages and how often do you take it?
We are using ten drops, twice a day, in hopes it will not trigger a stomach problem, which has plagued her in the past with oral meds.
Thank you.
Dan
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
Thanks so much for this great info! You guys are THE BEST!
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Ozonated Rizole Oils, probably Zeta and Gamma, added into the Lyme Cocktail. Read Klinghardt protocols I posted recently. Notice he adds many of the non-pharma agents into one cocktail. It all goes into one cocktail, with a little phospholipids as a main ingredient and all the others the patient tests for energetically in the same drink. I prepare it daily or every other day.
Find a doctor who does ART or muscle tests or any other energtic testing. I use my tensor and know what works and what doesn't in a second.
Change bed location for a couple of days and see if it makes a difference. Read Dr. K. protocols I have posted and pick the items to select from.
Buzzing for me was always toxic metal accumulation. Over time as they came out, the buzzing and mini-earthquakes disappeared. Pull the fuses into the bedroom and use flashlights. I bumped my toes once too many times.
Take care.
Posted by Stacyb (Member # 13084) on :
Tick Battler,
How much Cumanda and for how long to eradicate Bart for you and the kids?
So glad to hear it helped.
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
Stacyb, our practitioner says that sometimes she can get rid of it in as little as 3-4 months with her protocol of Samento, Cumanda, Burbur and GSE. (She also gives zeolite for metals and homeopathic remedies for viruses as part of her protocol.) Normally people have more than just bart so they are taking all of these; I don't konw if Cumanda alone could do it that fast - most are not just taking it alone.
It took my kids and me about 6 months to get rid of it. The adult dose is 10 drops in water twice daily before meals.
But in any event, she claims that it is gone in less than a year with her protocol. And she confirms this through electrodermal screening.
It is too early to say this has helped my husband...he has had the most difficult time making improvements...and we just switched him from abx to this herbal protocol about 2 months ago. But I really think it will help him...it will just take time.
tickbattler
Posted by FYRECRACKER (Member # 28568) on :
i have bart just wanted to keep this thread in my posts so i can find it easier. good info
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
Bart comes back real fast. I would guess if they have not had any symptoms for a couple of months, it is likely gone for good.
Dan
Posted by deerose (Member # 27484) on :
I was on Cumanda for well over a year and it did not eliminate Bart.
In fact, after that duration Bart came raging to the surface as lyme was being dealt with by EDS.
Even though I had been taking Cumanda.
Not denying others could use Cumanda to eliminate Bart. But not a given across the board.
Rifampin has done a lot.
also herbal tincture with lomatium, periwinkle, astragulus,isatis,sarsparilla, red root(sp)
also for my most scary psychneuro symptoms with Bart--the pit of depression and anxiety which at this point in recovery can compromise my ability to function much faster than the physical symptoms
I use homeopathic aurum metallicum 200K I think it is Rx strength, not otc
doesn't hit bart but the symptoms...a big deal in this situation
not herbal as such but very effective
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
deerose - thanks for your input. Sorry the Cumanda did not work for you. I know there are a lot of bart strains out there...did the EDS machine tell you which strains didn't respond to the Cumanda? We had luck with eradication of Bart Hensalae, Bart quintana and bart bacilliformis. Our EDS machine does not look for any others.
I also do think the effectiveness of the treatment really depends on the person. It was interesting to see through EDS testing that in some of us, Enula hit babesia, but in others it did not. Even with the same strain of babesia. We have seen this phenonmenon several times with the infections. Some herbs work better in some of us than others, even with the same strain of bacteria.
I'm curious, were you on Samento with the Cumanda? Or anything else when you took Cumanda for a year? I have a feeling it's important to hit all of the infections at once to have more of an effect on them.
Finally, when we were still taking abx, I found for my kids, Rifampin was the best to go after bart and reduce the symptoms, but the bart still showed up through EDS testing even after 10 months on rifampin. At that point we switched to herbs.
tickbattler
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
I was told by the last LLMD I went to (two years ago) that nothing herbal will take care of bart.
When I reacted to Levaquin and was left with such chemical sensitivity I could not use any drugs for months, I tried everything recommended for bart.
I read in Dr. S' book that HH capsules, Clove Bud Oil or Cumanda "in extremely high doses" is effective so I took all three of them at once. I also took large amounts of TOA free cat's claw and grapefruit seed extract plus supplement like cysteine and lumbrokinase. I relapsed completely.
I found out extremely high means exactly that which traslates to about 6-7 times the recommended amounts. For instance I was taking 12-20 HH capsules. That is expensive!
Maybe I have a very resistant strain but it is just impossible to knock it out. It always comes back.
I got a very bad yeast infection so I quit abx the end of Oct. I am going to another LLMD tomorrow. During the time off I took Cumanda and Quina three times a day - about half a dropper full of each. It did nothing to keep me from relapsing. Just doesn't work for me.
Posted by FYRECRACKER (Member # 28568) on :
Tick battler: When you use EDS, were you actually able to find the specific strain you have of bart? I've had Borrelia Burgdorferi pop up one time after 2 years of being tested on EDS, haven't been able to make it pop up since. Never had Bart show up but I know i have it.
Not sure if you knew of a special way to dig a little deeper to find if certain strains are present. We have an EDS tester in town that I'd like to find more answers with.
I was always skeptical of EDS, when BB popped up last december i was in complete denial I even had it for so long. Recently tested with it and it said (forgot the name of the remedy) but it was a homeopathic (10M) for lyme and it said it was showing up in the spine and heart. That EDS is a little over my head at times. I don't necessarily trust the tester, he found the BB by accident.