I backed off the IV meds except Rocephin. Ramped back up on the Salt/C and Parastroy.
Herxing like a mad man with Flu like symptoms and exacerbation of crazy head stuff, especially that rocking on a boat sensation. Some crying Jags, etc.
Flu like Symptoms from the protocol include Bad Nausea, Malaise, Cold to the bone and hard to get warm, body aches, etc.
So I've been having die off daily.. Decided to take a photo today and post if here. I hope I don't offend anyone, but I would think not as I posted the warning in the Subject. So please don't get on me. I know it's not pretty, but it's reality with this disease and just thought everyone should know what were dealing with.
BTW, my appetite has been terrible and havn't eaten much, certainly nothing that could look like the picture.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I had many of those with parasite treatment.
Posted by bcb1200 (Member # 25745) on :
I guess I should treat for parasites. Buying my Parastroy today.
Posted by jennie46 (Member # 20953) on :
I have been passing these since middle of Sept.
I plan on adding salt/C to albendazole treatment.
Posted by 17hens (Member # 23747) on :
And these would be ___??? (So I know what I have to look forward to...)
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
Bean sprouts? They look exactly like what I passed once and many here said that. One thing for sure is they don't look pretty. Sorry you're feeling so terrible. I can relate. Good luck with the salt/c
Posted by dyna3495 (Member # 24126) on :
Drink water, water and more water. Yes it works for me too!
Posted by ryansmom (Member # 27456) on :
Sorry to be so dense, but was this in your BM?
Posted by lymetwister (Member # 19590) on :
Yes, not sure where else it would come from :-)
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
17Hens, I think they're roundworms. Mine were always 10-15 inches long. They look like digested fishing bait.
Posted by wealdsteve (Member # 25281) on :
Lovely, just started on humaworm today. Although part of me doesnt want to see those I sure dont want anything like that left inside me ;-)
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
Do you guys have to dig through to find these - or do they float at top?
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
They float or get stuck on the way out. (sorry)
I did not expel any of these with Humaworm. I did expel them with Enula.
Posted by wealdsteve (Member # 25281) on :
stuck on the way out lol
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Funny now, not so funny at the time, LOL
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Looks like pencil thin stool to me.
Pencil Thin Stool Like loose stools, stool that is pencil thin can be caused by a condition known in traditional Chinese medicine as spleen qi deficiency.
IBS is related.
Posted by lymetwister (Member # 19590) on :
No Pencil thin stool here.. These float on top and I could catch some nice Bass with these, I promise you.
:-)
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Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I used to have those as part of a regular stool. They looked just like that. They are more like a single "thing" rather than like a stool, which can break apart. I also only had them when I was taking something known to kill roundworms, like enula.
If Your Stool Looks PENCIL-THIN AND RIBBONLIKE It Could Mean:
A polyp or growth in your colon that narrows the passage for stool. Or spastic colon. It can also be from a prolapse at either side of the transverse colon constricting the colon and lack of fiber.
For me, these were part of very normal stools. Sometimes they were stuck on the outside of a normal looking stool and sometimes they'd break off and float while the rest of the stool was still at the bottom. They were not part of a narrow stool.
Also, sometimes a normal stool would pass and one of these would be stuck halfway out.
Also, the only time I had these was when I was on something for parasites, at no other time have I seen these.
Look at the 6th paragraph of this - http://tinyurl.com/y8684sl Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
marnie,
parasites can cause spastic colons.
Posted by kidsgotlyme (Member # 23691) on :
I have IBS and I have NEVER had anything look like that.
Gary, I am so glad this is working for you. Keep on killing those little buggers!
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Which parasite is this a picture of?
Confirmed by a lab?
A pinworm is about the length of a staple.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Dr. K says they're common in Lyme patients and many of us expel them during parasite treatment. I found no need to test for exactly what it was given that knowledge.
Posted by lymetwister (Member # 19590) on :
I agree about not needing to test. I'm sure a lab would say it's Negative just like the testing for Lyme.
Six, I take it from your last post that for you, these were Parasites/worms in your own case. Not sure if Marnie is saying these could be something else normal. I know for me they are not.
I have never had these, but only recently since being on the Salt/C and Parastroy from vitacost.
I'm Herxing so bad that I had to take yesterday and today off of the Salt, although I continued on the Parastroy.
I didn't start this thread to reopen the safety efficacy of Salt/C, but rather point out that I'm killing Parasites/Worms.
It could just be the Parastroy for all I know as I started both together. Either way, I'm Herxing terribly, but we all know that is a good thing, NOT !! :-)
Gonna bump up the detox as best as I can.
Gary
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Yes, detoxing is good. I needed a lot of binders when I was first killing parasites. I had never heard of Parastroy when I was treating or I would have tried it.
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
Wow! I never had anything like that while on Humaworm. I did have tons of sesame seed looking things. And a lot of white poppy seeds. I know something inside was laying these eggs but I never saw the parasites themselves....unless they became a part of the stool. I don't know..... I didn't poke around.
Now that I finished Humaworm, I need to decide what will be my next step.
Good luck with your purging!! Posted by nonnie26 (Member # 27952) on :
I have tons of the white sesame seed things too, and what the original poster has but I thought they were mucous--I broke one apart and it just seemed to be mucousy. Been meaning to keep looking but I don't have the stomach for it.
I've tried wormwood and parastroy.
Posted by Hambone (Member # 29535) on :
I ordered Parastroy and noticed that one of the ingredients is gelatin.
Is it possible that this stuff is just accumulated gelatin with fecal matter/bile absorbed in it and stuck to it?
I'm not saying it's not a worm, but is it possible this is the gelatin that gooped up and came out?
This is going to be interesting when I get mine.
Thanks for showing this to us, Lymetwister.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Gary,
So glad things are starting to move out for you. I took antiparasitic herbs for 6 mos and then on the second day I started salt/c and all hell broke loose.
I had loads of parasites come out and among them I had 16-20" worms. They looked just like the pictures Gary posted at the top.
You have to stay on the herbs for quite a while to get good results.
Gael
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Hambone, I had the same thing as Gary is having when I took enula, which has no gelatin. I didn't have this with Humaworm, rather with enula.
Posted by Hambone (Member # 29535) on :
quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: Hambone, I had the same thing as Gary is having when I took enula, which has no gelatin. I didn't have this with Humaworm, rather with enula.
Good. I was worried about that ( the gelatin being what I was seeing ).
When someone takes the stuff to clean them out for a colonoscopy, how in the WORLD does this stuff not come out at that time? I mean, when I was prepping for a colonoscopy, I thought I was going to ____ my brains out.
I also had one of those cameras that you swallow that takes photos of the entire GI tract.
How can worms like this not be seen during tests like these?
I'm not debating at all....just trying to make sense of it all.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I am not sure. I had an endoscopy and a colonoscopy and none of the parasites showed up. I also had a massive tapeworm.
I don't think the one down the throat actually goes in that far. I think these live in the small intestine so aren't seen.
Mine also didn't show up in stool testing for parasites.
They were parasites. After I passed them I ate significantly less food and gained ten pounds.
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
six,
What do you attribute to gettin rid of the big tapeworm?
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
This is what they do during full moon when doctors phones ring off the hook! They multiply.
Many of them so small - a half millimeter!
Take a look at Babesia Argentina page 35.
Don't dare show you some of what they look like in the brain.
Maybe these pictures are good enough reason to treat parasites first, as Dr. K. recommends. And borrelia last, as he also recommends.
Take care.
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
Oh my God in heaven these are some of the freakiest/scariest pics I have ever seen in my life!!! If anyone wants to freak out a little, look at the site Gigi posted above and go back to photo #1, then scroll forward. Holy cow!!!!!!
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
OMG, that's a quick way to lose your lunch fast by looking at these photos! Wow. Scary, scary, and scary one more time. I'm just glad us in the good ole' USA don't have these because we live in a clean country. Posted by Toboein (Member # 22635) on :
ive seen tons of post of people taking anti parasitic and anti human worm treatments..
whats the connection with lyme? why do so many people also have parasites?
ive had some freaky poo before but this takes the cake! although i have yeast issues when on abx and sometimes if there is mucus in your colon it will come out with your stool and break away and float to the top, much like those photos look!
Posted by Jin (Member # 11735) on :
Dear lymetwister, Those are odd looking little creatures! It appears an oily substance or mucus is also coming off on the paper. That type of thing is very common with parasites. Thank goodness you are moving them out! You just never know what is adding to your trouble until you do a cleanse like this.
Dear sixgoofykids, I remember when you excreted that tapeworm! You said it was 5 or 6 feet long. Another thing you said was that you actually had to lie down for a bit after passing that thing. Who would not have to lie down after that?
Dear Hambone, I have been curious about the same things, and have pondered the same questions as you regarding the parasites not showing up in tests. They are very good at hiding. Some are microscopic enough to grow in your brain after following the bloodstream up to the head as an egg. Some of the cases on "The Monster Inside Me" are excellent examples of this. Stephen King has nothing on these creatures!
Sincerely, Jin
Posted by bigstan (Member # 11699) on :
(Toboein) ive had some freaky poo but this takes the cake!
LOL This post is important but some things describing what's going on just makes me wonder is it really parasites or some type of fecal impaction going on.
Stay away from Taco Bell...
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I passed the tapeworm on Humaworm. I had no idea I had it and was a bit freaked out and nauseated from the idea of it.
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
Just to let you guys know Humaworm offers an "Extra Strength" Formula. You have to email him and ask for it.
Tell him you have Lyme
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I wouldn't do the extra strength the first time at least ...... I had terrible die off reactions from the regular. I felt bad the whole time the first three times I used it. I've heard it can cause a bart flare and that's consistent with my symptoms.
Once I was better from Lyme and co., I could finally use it without feeling bad the whole time I was on it. (I do follow up treatments once or twice a year as they recommend).
I'd see what my reaction was to the first round, then try the extra strength second time around. That's good info to know, thanks, Canefan.
Posted by wealdsteve (Member # 25281) on :
thanks for that info canefan, I started on humaworm yesterday so once I have finished this round i may request some stronger for next time. Not found any big worms yet lol
Posted by Hambone (Member # 29535) on :
quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: (I do follow up treatments once or twice a year as they recommend).
Do you ever see anything anymore with the follow up treatments?
Do you follow up with just one product now, or still use several?
I am so freaked out about this. About 2 months ago I saw ( with no treatment but abx and nystatin ) a solid white, maybe 2 inch long, squiggly piece of "something" that looked like a Ramen noodle in a spiral-like shape ( I don't eat Ramen noodles ). I thought, "No way!" and I put it out of my mind...out of sight, out of mind.
Now I keep thinking about it.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
I would just like to add that if you keep in mind that the regular cleansing of parasites (30 days) is for people without Lyme disease.
These herbs are also antibacterial and antifungal. From my personal experience and success with getting rid of these infections is to stay on the antiparasitics until symptom free.
The maintenance dose should be weekly (as Hulda Clark suggests) and not just a couple times of year. If just one egg is left over (not to mention the parasites we can pick up along the way)the cycle will start all over again.
It's like stopping an abx too soon. This is just my experience and not meant to be medical advise.
Gael
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Hambone, no I no longer see anything.
I agree with Gael. Treatment needs to be constant for quite a long time. I am now well and do the follow up treatments for only 30 days.
But when I was sick I treated them pretty constantly with one herb or another. I used four rounds of Humaworm, but used other things in between. I rotated what I used, with no plan really, I just kept at it.
Posted by Jin (Member # 11735) on :
Dear sixgoofykids, I remember that the Humaworm was what expelled the tapeworm. Those things are nasty creatures. Destroying them is difficult. They could actually grow to be as long as the intestine itself! What a horrifying notion! You also had mentioned that Humaworm is easily customized to the needs of the person taking it. Psyllium husk is certainly something I would have to have left out.
Dear Hambone, That sounded like a worm of some sort to me that you passed. Nothing looks like that unless something strange is going on. Stool should never look like that! You have to be careful about the cleansing, since it can be hard on your system. The first few days usually are the worst from what others have said.
Sincerely, Jin
Posted by jennie46 (Member # 20953) on :
I also agree that colonoscopies and scopes do not show the parasites. I underwent both tests and they showed nothing.
I passed parasites before and still passing after colonoscopy.
GI doc didn't believe I had parasites. I even took actual worm samples twice (looked just like Gary's) and lab tested negative both times.
I want to add Salt/C. Can anyone help with time spacing from abx?
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Jennie,
Just do it about an hour apart from the abx. I started with 1/4 tsp sea salt and 1/4 tsp Vitamin C powder with bioflavinoids mixed in a large glass of water.
I increased it 1/4 tsp at a time according to how I was herxing. RAMP UP SLOWLY!!! and drink extra water during the day.
I always sipped this and NEVER gulped it down. Pace, don't race and it will give you the same results.
Gael
Posted by tickssuck (Member # 15388) on :
Hi Guys...
Question....are you just treating for parasites on your own? Adding Humaworm, Enula etc to your Lyme regimen?
I have not treated for parasites. Can one expel something like Gary without doing parasite treatment? I have not examined my stools much, do know I have/had malabsorbtion issues....and wonder if I've seen something very similar to the pic above, hmmm...(or was it some sort of undigested food, who knows?)
I am currently on IV Rocephin, pulsing Flagyl and various supps. Can I add parasitic tx? I know, check with my LLMD. I consult with him next week and I will - he's never said boo about parasites.
But, I still want to know your opinions and want to know if some of you just did this on your own. Even with a good LLMD, I feel like I have to take some matters into my own hands.
Thanks. TS
Posted by chaps (Member # 25286) on :
quote: he's never said boo about parasites.
LLMDs never say "boo" about parasites...OR DETOXING....OR MERCURY....OR KPU....or plenty of other stuff.
quote: Even with a good LLMD, I feel like I have to take some matters into my own hands.
Good idea.
Posted by jennie46 (Member # 20953) on :
quote:Originally posted by glm1111: Jennie,
Just do it about an hour apart from the abx. I started with 1/4 tsp sea salt and 1/4 tsp Vitamin C powder with bioflavinoids mixed in a large glass of water.
I increased it 1/4 tsp at a time according to how I was herxing. RAMP UP SLOWLY!!! and drink extra water during the day.
I always sipped this and NEVER gulped it down. Pace, don't race and it will give you the same results.
Gael
Thank you so much...very helpful.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
I have heard numerous important remarks of Dr.K. over the last 12 years. One I wrote down:
"Parasites are at the core of what makes Lyme patients sick".
I would like to add: and parasites are one of the easiest groups to get rid of as long as you stick with it and use the right meds.
When talking about parasites, he added: Babesia and Bartonella live largely in the lungs. Inhaled potassium Iodide may be a helpful treatment for some under the care of a doctor. Some patients have the "lung worm", which may be one of the most common parasites in Lyme Disease.
My husband is being treated for lungworm right now. It didn't surface for years and he never showed the slightest symptom of it. But Dr.K. has always said "I know he has it". Now that the metals are being released, with AI and with KPU, the lungworm is testable and being treated.
Take care.
Posted by FYRECRACKER (Member # 28568) on :
do you all treat parasites at the same time you treat lyme/co's with abx?
also....i had an eds test done yesterday and it showed some issues/congestion in my right lung only. what is the test for lungworm?
not holding my breath that my stool test will show positive results for parasites. I'm getting kind of annoyed with my doctor who likes to test everything through lab work. she even suggested i have a normal thyroid because it was in the NORMAL RANGE. ummm...shouldn't she know that just because it says normal it doesn't mean it's normal?
Posted by BoxerMom (Member # 25251) on :
GiGi - What is your husband taking for the lungworm?
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They look exactly like what I passed once and many here said that. One thing for sure is they don't look pretty. Sorry you're feeling so terrible. I can relate. Good luck with the salt/c
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