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Posted by Energyman (Member # 29178) on :
 
I have some thing that make me always wonder if lyme's my main problem or not.

http://www.histrelief.com/

Just read through it.

Now to my situation... I had "herx" ractions to antibiotics/herbs. Now the thing is, many of the "herx" symptoms disappear if i just take an antihistamine pill. It does work in most of the cases.

What do you think? Is this common? I sometimes think it's not lyme it's only histaminosis but that would be kind of too easy..
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
Well I have the same situation energyman.

When I take some Benadryl my "lyme/herx" symptoms get better.

According to my LLMD the body CAN have an allergic reaction to the die-off/toxins left over from the lyme - which could result in the release of histamine in the body.

Same thing happens to me when I eat a food that I am allergic to - I get really bad body and bone pain. If I take some Benadryl it subsides.

Like everything....who really knows for sure but it works for me and takes the edge off.
 
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
 
A herx causes increased histamine.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1011750/

My doctor wanted me to take something to control histamines in order to help with herx reactions.

Terry
 
Posted by PTrain (Member # 28773) on :
 
After I started Zith I developed a rash. My LLMD told me to take Ranitidine and Zyrtec. They are different in the way they act on the body. Together they cleared up my rash very quickly.

Rash indicates die off so there is a silver lining there! Have to look at it from a positive angle.
 
Posted by TF (Member # 14183) on :
 
When lyme gave me trigeminal neuralgia (unbearable!), Benadryl got rid of it. Nothing else I tried worked. What a relief.

I know I really did have lyme, babesiosis, and bartonella.
 
Posted by elizzza811 (Member # 24713) on :
 
I wouldn't immediately blame a high histamine problem on the Lyme bacteria. It could be an EMF-related problem instead. Now cell phone towers and wifi antennas may not be considered 'electromagnetic weapons' or 'biological weapons' per say, but read this...

EMF used as weapons, 70 years of awareness:
http://emfjournal.com/2009/02/28/emf-used-as-weapons-70-years-of-awareness/

...Experiments with very low frequency electromagnetic radiation have demonstrated that the radiation can induce the brain to release chemicals that induce slumber, or to release a chemical called histamine. In human volunteers, the histamine release produces flu-like symptoms, which dissipate when the radiation stops...

This, too...

ElectroMagnetic Radiation
- The Damage And Reducing The Impact
http://www.nzine.co.nz/features/emr2_updated.html

Promoting histamine release:
...Mast cells (which secrete histamine and other substances) are destabilised by free radicals. When exposed to radiofrequency radiation, studies have shown a doubling of the histamine release...

And this...I know a lot of Lymies complain about low magnesium and calcium levels...

Upsetting calcium levels:
...Radio waves and their destructive agents, the free radicals, upset calcium levels in the body, especially in the central nervous system, the brain and the heart (3). It is thought that calcium (and possibly magnesium) levels diminish within the cells. This affects the growth, reproduction and division of cells and the communication of signals between the outside of the cell and the nucleus inside the cell...
 
Posted by hadlyme (Member # 6364) on :
 
My LLMD said to take antihistimines for herxes... yes it works.
 
Posted by Wolfed Out (Member # 23727) on :
 
This is interesting. What if you have an adverse reaction to anti-histamines?

When I was breaking out with chronic urticaria (hives) as a teenager, I tried Zyrtec and Allegra at separate times to eliminates the hives. Both times I broke out in larger hives all over my body, but there seemed to be no other reaction with that. Also happened with Benadryl.

Since then, which was about 7 years ago, I haven't tried to use an anti-histamine and my problems with chronic hives disappeared.

I still have a fear of using them again. Scary cause if I do have an allergic reaction, I don't know what to do besides an epi-pen.
 
Posted by Energyman (Member # 29178) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by hadlyme:
My LLMD said to take antihistimines for herxes... yes it works.

So an histamine reaction is a herx?!
I also have a histamine intolerance as well. I have lowered DAO.

I don't think i have a sensitivity for EMF's.
I don't use WLAN and i use my cellphone very very rarely, it's turned off 99% of the time. But most neighbors use WLAN.

I had thise histamine reactions on several antibiotics and herbs. It could be just the histamine or a die-off.

I also had neuralgies. Only the antihistamines helped.

I feel better with the antihistamines, although it makes my body more "dry"
 


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