We did hair testing through Doctor's Data. I read something by Dr. K saying he had tried urine provocation for a while and came back to hair testing because it is safer and if you know how to read the tests... more accurate.
Some of the most poisoned people show NO sign of heavy metals in hair tests.
We were doing the HPU protocol when we tested our hair. This helped to push the heavy metals out and so mercury & lead were very high.
Even if you have no heavy metals coming out in your hair, the essential minerals tell a story. If they are all tanked out in the deficient reading (red)... you are likely to have heavy metals causing the deficiency(mercury, zinc, aluminum, cadmium, arsenic)
For NY residents and doctors... you have to call Direct Labs (no online ordering for NY residents) PM me if you want their direct line. When I called, the 800 # on their site did not work for me (not sure if that is because I live in NY)
NY has many restrictions on diagnostic testing. No red blood cell mineral test either (by NYS law)... which is a good indicator of mineral deficiency.
Posted by tricia386 (Member # 29623) on :
I mean its where you take the pills right...ugh I am so confused I am seeing Dr. H and they recomended it.
Posted by TS96 (Member # 14048) on :
You might be mistaking DMPS with DMSA?
DMSA is what I took with Dr. H.
I had no problems with it. I actually felt good. I took apple pectin or charcoal after the test was done to mop up any loose metals. Make sure your bowels are moving good.
Well wishes
Posted by jlp38 (Member # 27221) on :
Yes and no reaction to it, although I think I took DMSA instead. I think either will probably work. Make sure you have no amalgams before you do it though.
Posted by momlyme (Member # 27775) on :
Is he doing it in his office or referring you out to someone else?
Did they tell you it would be pills?
I thought you were talking about the IV DMPS provocation test which pumps a high dose of DMPS into you. You then collect urine for testing.
The reason this is done is because mercury, lead and other heavy metals do not continue to circulate in blood. They find hiding places in fatty tissues and fatty organs. The DMPS draws them out of hiding so that you can find them in a urine test and determine if you should do chelation.
The problem with the IV test is that you can repoison yourself and not be able to rid the body of the toxins. If your body burden is high this can be very dangerous. I would not take the risk myself.
I trust the hair test from Doctor's Data.
Posted by tricia386 (Member # 29623) on :
No they gave me the pills and I have to pee for 6 hours after into a jug.
They know I have fillings in my mouth and they still gave it ot me! I am so confused!
Posted by momlyme (Member # 27775) on :
There is NO WAY I would take DMPS, DMSA or EDTA with amalgam fillings still in!!!
I disagree with this practice.
I am not a doctor. I am a cautious mom who has done tons of reading on chelation before delving into it for my young son and myself.
I took oral EDTA before I had my amalgams out and I thought I was going to be permanently disabled. My neck was stuck at a 45 degree angle for days!
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
The same office asked me to do this and I have 3 amalgams. I too don't understand and am reluctant to try. They know I have them too so I was surprised.
Posted by momlyme (Member # 27775) on :
quote:DMSA is what I took with Dr. H.
TS96 - did you have amalgams at the time?
Posted by tricia386 (Member # 29623) on :
Seek did you do it?
Posted by skies (Member # 28064) on :
I took the Doctor's Data urine test, but it was with DMSA. I noticed nothing at all as far as side effects. I took the test back in Oct. or Nov. I do still have 2 amalgams, and the doctor is/was aware of that. However, I do see that there is quite a controversy regarding whether or not the test/chelation should be considered if the patient has any fillings at all.
Posted by blinkie (Member # 14470) on :
I just had it done. No adverse reaction at all. I do still have amalgam fillings as well.
Got my test results already but haven't yet had a follow-up LLMD apt. I was elevated in gadolinium, mercury, cadmium, nickel, lead and tin and uranium.
The levels are all i nthe "low" elevated range, with lead and mercury being the highest.
I personally think this will be a part of the puzzle to wellness, but not the total answer either.
Posted by lindaca (Member # 23871) on :
Many have adverse reactions to DMPS challenges, it's just too much for their systems. The theory is that it releases too much heavy metals, and that they then redistributed elsewhere, most likely the CNS. I would use caution with these heavy-hitter detox protocols.
Posted by DoctorLuddite (Member # 13853) on :
I had 3 amalgams and did the DMPS provocation test: Iv DMPS, 6 hour urine collection. Mercury: high. Amalgams removed and 2 years of monthly DMPS treatments later: much less provoked urine mercury. Anxiety and IBS symptoms improved during and after. Felt mildly euphoric after that first DMPS dose, not so with subsequent doses. All that was 6-8 years ago, am thinking of another prov test to see if Hg is reaccumulating.
Posted by TS96 (Member # 14048) on :
To Momlyme.
No I had no amalgams when I did the test. And it was with DMSA. I didn't think Dr. H did DMPS. I've never seen it on the rec form or supplement sheet.
I also had been slow chleating for a couple years when I had the test done.
I don't consider Dr. H an expert on heavy metals, but at least he tests for it.
Posted by Tracy9 (Member # 7521) on :
Yes, and I have fillings, and I felt sick for about three days.
Posted by NanaDubo (Member # 14794) on :
I had it done back when I had amalgams and it was a nightmare for me. Probably 4 years ago. I had an IV and then pills but can't remember if it was DMPS or DMSA.
Should have gone with my gut instincts that were screaming "NO" when they were putting in the IV.
I felt like I had nuclear waste going through my body all night long.
I have read many times since in Dr. K's writings that one should never have that challenge test with amalgams.
I do hair tests now.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Many times with DMPS injected, IV's, with Neural Therapy. Also with DMSA. Nothing caused any problems. DMPS challenge test also no problem.
You have to know the rules when still having amalgam in the mouth.
It has to be tested energetically before use to see if the patient is ready for it. It is not something that one should take willy nilly who is not familiar with the intnricacies of metal detox.
You should not and you cannot do it yourself, but need the guiding support for knowing when and how and what to prepare for when these two items mobilize metals, etc.
There is no agent that will take toxic metals totally out from its resting place. You always need several agents to help along to clear it out.
If you allergic to toxic metals, i.e. the immun system does not recognize toxic metals, all bets are off. You will need to treat the allergies first.
Please read Allergie Immun before you start to tackle toxic metals.
There is no test in the whole wide world that will tell you exactly that you have certain metals in the body, how much is left in the body. Some people release a little with a challenge test or none. If the body is unable to release it, it may take several challenge tests while you are being treated for deficiencies.
If you are mineral deficient as most of us are or were, you have to bring the deficit down before much can be done. It takes good minerals to help the toxic metal/minerals.
Check some of my posts on hair tests, etc.
Take care.
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
Wow NanaDubo that is scary. I'm lost why such a super high profile LLMD's office wouldn't be factoring this risk in. That office is on top of so much research. I guess they don't read Dr. K's stuff in WA.
I don't want to be the one who gets irreversible damage due to 'guessing', but at the same time there just is no one here capable of ART testing for me so it leaves me between a rock and a hard place.
GiGi if you lived in the Midwest and didn't know Dr. K I think life may be a LOT harder. I know you learned how to muscle test yourself, but I imagine Dr K's guidance was a huge help and having constant access to a brilliant guy. We don't all have this luxury.
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
I did the 6 hour urine test after 20 capsules [2g] of DMSA last week: I was concerned about it, but I can't say that it caused me problems fortunately.
As someone else has said, I upped my binders such as chlorella, clay, pectin and herb blend that day and the following one.
Some doctors order a mercury sensivity test first and some run a kidney function test to check that your body will be able to cope.
Posted by BackinStOlaf (Member # 23725) on :
I wouldn't do it because I still have fillings in my mouth,.
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
I should add to my previous post that I no longer have amalgams [had them out 2000],
Carry
Posted by tickled1 (Member # 14257) on :
Now I'm worried. I was about to do the DMSA today but something told me to look into it further.
My LLMD ordered it and he seems very well versed in DR. K's work and does ART. I have been having constant allergic reactions for mos. and I do have fillings and it was still ordered. No additional binders were ordered for afterward.
I'm not doing it till I can talk to him about all this. Especially not as sensitive as I've been lately. I did complete the KPU test yesterday though so that should be interesting.
Posted by mattnapa (Member # 26414) on :
Seems like a lot of confusion here. For the most part I think most LLMD's are ordering DMSA provocatation tests. I am not sure anyone here has pointed to a case of permanent or severe damage from such a test with or without amalgams. Nano dub is unfortunately not sure, so there is no proof of a problem with DMSA. If you plan on getting your amalgams out then sure do it first. Some docs think it is not necessary to remove them if you do not have high mercury levels. The tests GiGi suggests are valid as well, but I do not see that there is suppoort for danger in a DMSA provacation tests with amalgams in place
For those who have had some problems with DMSA and have had amalgams, who is to say you would not have had the same reaction without your amalgams.
There is a theory to avoid ALA before having amalgams removed since it crossees the blood brain barrier, but I see no consensus or significant minority opinion with those doing chelation therapy that chealtaing with agents that do not cross the blood brain barrier is dangerous with amalgams in place.
My doc has tested thousands and has never seen a problem. I see no research to support the claims of DMSA being dangerous. If there are precautions one wants to take I think that is great, but to not seek treatment because you are not able to afford amalgam removal I think is a mistake.
Posted by MattH (Member # 30846) on :
I had the hair test by my chiro and showed no heavy metals, he was sure I was toxic. Came back completely negative. But I had some very serious symptoms! I then had the DMPS infusion challenge test from my DO and show 700% over the safe maximum of 3.
My DO who has been using this practice for may years and learned from Dr. K, said that in many cases of Mercury Toxicity in the body is not excreating the heavy metals so the hair test is useless. In my case this was true.
Note that Dr. K has noticed this and had written about the body holdling on to the mercury so I am not sure he only uses hair testing. However I have not seen his most recent position on the issue.
I have had 18 dmps chelations (over 30 months) now and am finally feeling good after the chelation, especially after the last two. All amalgams are out, 18 of them. I will do one more and then check where I am with a challenge test (costs about $125 so space them out).
There is a significant debate about the safety of it. There are several benefits and several side effects. I have experienced none of the side effects but read the dmps backfire site before I started. I also did the Cutler protocol but felt I was getting absolutely nowhere. I realized I needed guidance and care of my DO and that has worked out for me.
I also did mercout.com for a month. It is pill form of DMPS along with vitamins. I have yet to test again to see where I am but some where below 10 by Doctor's Data.
Both my son and wife have done it as well without noticable side effects.
If the DMPS chelation is very disconcerting see if your MD will provide a DMPS pill form from a compounding pharmacy or you can research mercout.
I am also taking binders and ALA throughout. Amalgams in our out, I think it depends on how sick the person is with mercury toxicity and for me was the doctors call, again I did not experience signficant side effects and quite frankly need relief from the toxicity symptoms.
All the Best, MattH
Posted by mattnapa (Member # 26414) on :
Matt H I appreciate your story and glad you are doing well. My points were in general about DMSA which I think is the more common treatment.
But when you say
There is a significant debate about the safety of it.
What are you referring to exactly?
The challenge or the treatment?
Also I am sorry but the DMPS backfire site contains one persons unverified account and little else from what I see
Posted by MattH (Member # 30846) on :
mattnapa,
I am not disputing anyones point just providing my personnal experience and perspective.
When I finally found thought I had mercury toxicity, I started searching the internet for resources and references.
The debate is just that several patients and doctors believe in DMPS, DMSA and other types of detox. There are yahoo forums you get banned from if you suggest DMPS over DMSA! They say in the rules this site is about this protocol!
I read the information, at the time had severe symptoms and decided that the best and quickest way to get better was through DMPS chelations. My DO has hundreds of improved patients and was at that time using Dr. K's protocol (started 30 months ago).
Yes the DMPS backfire site is one person's story and I read it as part of my reseach. I read everything I could by Dr. K, Cutler, PHD, Huggins DDS and numerous others.
Hope this helps, MattH
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
I too did the Doctor's Data DMSA challenge test and noticed no side effect.
I took extra binders such as chlorella, clay etc for 2 or 3 days to help to avoid redistribution of any metals mobilised but not excreted,
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