Can you tell me your progress or time before you saw results?
I started the Buhner protocol 7 weeks ago and am finally up to 3 x 4 for the Noteweed, Cats Claw and 2 x 4 for the Ginseng (eleuthero). I got the herbs from 1st Chinese Herbs. Making capsules!!!
I also am taking andro, art, smilax and red root herbs 1 x 3. I stated a Parasite cleanse with Parastroy 2 weeks ago.
I have noticed my feet do not hurt as much (7 to a 6) and perhaps my energy has slightly improved 8 to a 7).
My first LLMD visit is not till 27 Jun but I spoke with him and he is fine with Buhner as a complementary.
Any thoughts most appreciated. Thanks, MattH
Posted by lululymemom (Member # 26405) on :
I didn`t do the entire protocol but I did use the herbs, Knotweed, Red Root, Cat`s Claw, and continue to use Eleuthro.. I found them very helpful for bart symptoms and find that they are mostly gone now.
Posted by MattH (Member # 30846) on :
How long before you experienced some improvement?
I just upped the Eleutho today and I feel a little more energy.
I bought the 1 lb bags so I will be on the herbs for several months. Buhner says take the herbs for up to a year after symptoms clear as a maintainance dose anyway I will have them around.
I also started doing Ashwaganda before bed. When I did get to sleep I was out cold. Deepest sleep in many months. We will see if that repeats.
All the Best, MattH
Posted by lululymemom (Member # 26405) on :
I noticed improvement fairly quickly within a month.. I only stopped resveratrol because I found out it is a phyto-estrogen..
I still take the eleuthro when needed and it works great for fatigue..
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
I got to 95% on this protocol.
I started feeling really well about 4-5 months in.
The Eleutherococcu from herb Pharm (1:2 ratio) was a major player in helping me with Buhners.
Ultimately though I did not find that Buhner's protocol was enough to rid myself of Borrelia or co-infections.
In fact I think much of the protocol's benefits are from an anti-inflammation standpoint and the fact that the herbs send Lyme into cyst form.
Nevertheless - Knotweed is a great brain fog herb! And Eleutherococcus is great for adrenals.
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
Hi Canefan, I was surprised by your comment 'and the fact that the herbs send Lyme into cyst form.'
I followed the Buhner protocol when my long illness was finally diagnosed as Lyme and co 4 years ago and, at that stage, SB took the view that the herbs had effects on all 3 forms of borrelia.
I have often read this same idea as an advantage of herbal protocols in general: has there been new information about this? If so, I would be interested in reading more.
I ask in a genuine spirit of enquiry, not to be combative!
Best Wishes,
Carry
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
ukcarry,
It is my belief and experience that ANY chemical compound ingested will be decoded and potentially interpreted by the pathogens as a threat. Therefore running the risk of sending them into cyst form.
More specifically, anti-microbials, whether herbal or pharmaceutical, pose as a threat to the bacteria. Common sense tells me this will send a great deal of Lyme and many co-infections into defense mode (cyst).
And to my knowledge none of Buhner's herbs have specific action on cyst form.
I know Cowden has claims of cyst busting herbs - but even that is debatable.
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
You may well be right, Canefan; I suppose I was surprised by the use of the word 'fact' and wondered if you had seen new research on this topic.
I see from the above response to a recent question on Planet Thrive that SB obviously still believes that the herbs have effects on the cyst forms, though he doesn't exactly elucidate!