If you are feeling no better than several months ago, pay attention to parasites. Doesn't really matter which one - listen to some of the "You Tube"'s. It is one of the most important treatments you can do. Babesia and fungi are parasites.
Please note that I now removed the total protocol after it had been been altered by moderators
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Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
VERY IMPORTANT!! Thanks for posting this GiGi.
As always you are on top of things. Treating for parasites saved my life literally.
Gael
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
GiGi,
In your opinion why do you think these pharmaceuticals are necessary?
What's wrong with the good ole fashioned wormwood/blackwalnut/cloves combo.
Posted by Knight33 (Member # 22028) on :
What kind of symptoms did you guys have with parasites? I'm curious because I've been in treatment for over a year with not much improvement, most notably my cognitive impairment. Can parasites cause cognitive impairment (I.e. brain fog, memory loss, etc) without any gastro problems?
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
knight,
Parasites (just like Lyme) can cause a plethora of symptoms (including cognitive impairment)
Parasites sequester metals, bacterias, fungi, ammonia, toxins, etc. They release these periodically and especially so upon death.
Parasites strip us of so many nutrients we often become malnourished (opening the door to all the possibilities of vitamin and mineral deficiency)
Parasites cause big time gut issues (and not necessarily diarrhea - you don't have to have diarrhea to have parasites)
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Ditto to what canefan is saying. Google parasite symptoms and do a search on here by typing parasites into the search bar at the top.
Gael
Posted by skies (Member # 28064) on :
I am just starting the ivermectin & pyrantel pamoate. I felt terrible the next day, I am wondering if I should start out with a lower dose and work my way up. I felt nauseous and had to use the bathroom several times the next morning. I also had a harder time sleeping with bad nightmares..the whole next day I felt foggy & just generally ill. I left a message for my LLMD to see what he thinks. After these two meds are finished, I believe I will be on to albendazole & then alinia.. Hoping all this helps me!
Posted by MattH (Member # 30846) on :
GiGi,
Will the herbs approach work (perhaps more slowly)? Tomorrow is my last day on the 21 days on Parastroy. I am thinking of doing salt/c for a month and then come back with parastroy or Hilda Clark's formula.
I am also doing Grape Fruit Seed extract.
Thanks, MattH
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Parasites also are in the brain and one needs to have meds that cross the blood brain barrier. If Dr. K. tells me that is what it takes, I do it. He would be the last one to push pharmas. He is in constant contact with all ART therapists who are doing his form of medicine, teaching the newest all over Europe in spring and fall, and has the advantage of hundreds of patient results.
Check prices of pharmacies. They vary greatly.
I would therefore not waste more time and body energy on other products that do not come close. Parasite treatment is very energy consuming and I do not believe in prolonging matters that rob me of life.
Parasites are literally eating you up when in an already weakened state.
If Dr. K. were to listen to some of the conversations going on on this board, he would quietly say "parasites talking"! I am saying - not only are they talking - they are screaming! Read a thread that I recently started regarding allergies.
MattH, why would you want to go more slowly? Why give the parasites another chance to multiply so you can chase them a little longer while they are destroying your blood (babesia), etc.
The treatment is very tolerable if you support your system handling the die-off. Colonics, etc. Liver & kidney support, metal release.
Take care.
Posted by baileypup (Member # 22824) on :
Gigi, This may be a really stupid question, but are you saying that treating parasites, as you have laid out, will resolve babesia and other protozoa/parasites like the Fry protozoa?
Posted by MattH (Member # 30846) on :
GiGi,
Thanks for your explanation and your insight from Dr. K, I will review your suggestions with my DO (she is not my LLMD). My explanation is below.
Why go slower? Perhaps poor judgement on my part but the thought of going slower is because of all the other stuff I am taking.
Full Buhner Protocol, my first LLMD appt is not till the end of June (symptoms and WB test back and indicates lyme). This approach is complementary for the abx at the end of June.
Parasite Cleanse finish round 1 tomorrow. Babushka Principle in practice.
KPU or HPU vitamin protocol prep for the doxy at the end of June. Improve the effectiveness of abx
Bar 1 (bart symptoms) till I see the LLMD
Heavy metal detox (monthly dmps infusions along with DMSA a couple times a month a week after the dmps). Doctor's Data tested 3 years ago and continue to bring my levels down. Retested twice still a ways to go.
b12 shots 1 per week
Ultimate zapper a couple times per week
GSE 10 drops 2 times per day
Note I am holding down a full time job that is both complex and stressful so I cannot take considerable time off for major herxes or at least need to get through the day and go home and collapse.
Long list of Burrascano and Dr. S recommended supplements and binders.
All the Best, MattH
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I agree this is essential.
I was going to order some of the the drugs from a veterinarian supply place but I decided to stick with the herbs. I am taking Parastroy, diatomaceous earth & boron. The drugs can be toxic & the die-off can be severe. They are also expensive & not always in stock (especially if you live in a place not in the mainstream like down here).
I have been ill for 16 years. I wish I did this sooner. I'm actually feeling better after 16 years of illness. I don't think I even had Lyme. The Lyme treatments I did were ineffective. This illness ruined my life. I spent thousands... Do yourself a favor & try the anti-parasite protocol. It may save your life.
I had no clue I had parasites. They don't always affect your digestive system. They can live in many places in the body.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
PS- Just my experience...
I dowse all my supplements. I went through a bad die-off for months. I dowsed all the binder type supplements & it was almost always "no". I guess it depends on the person & what one is taking.
I think the herbs may have a longer lasting effect. If you take a binder - it may make the herbs less effective. I have no idea how it will work with drugs.
I just used plain water enemas if I felt too toxic. I think the body has to find a way to heal itself from the parasites. This is why herbs may have an advantage over the drugs. I don't know. This was just what happened to me.
Posted by lululymemom (Member # 26405) on :
FYI.. Garlic is a major component in many natural parasitic treatments. It also crosses the Blood Brain Barrier.
Some brands of Silver also treat parasites, bacteria, and fungus.
Posted by NanaDubo (Member # 14794) on :
Skies, I had a rough time with the first round of parasitic pharmaceuticals. Had really bad nightmares too, and didn't feel great at all. It has gotten MUCH easier.
I can feel the "activity" around the new moon and full moon and actually look forward to taking them now.
I can also tell who/what is in charge. When I'm on the pharmaceuticals my eating habits change. I enjoy eating everything and have no more food sensitivities but I absolutely do no want ice cream or anything like that during the killing spree. It the parasites that want it.
Posted by jennie46 (Member # 20953) on :
I have been on Parastroy nearly 9 months. I switched to albendazole for 1 month, but Parastroy works better.
I think I will try the protocol suggested by GiGi. I have Alinia and albendazole. Are Ivermectin and pyrantel pamoate safe to use from a pet supply store?
Is it safe to do this while on babesia protocol of Mepron, Biaxin, and Bactrim DS?
GiGi....Does Dr. K believe this regimen will take care of all parasites, even if you have a heavy load and been battling for so long?
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Posted by jennie46 (Member # 20953) on :
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Posted by jbaer (Member # 31938) on :
If we are talking about parasites, are we talking about babesia then? If so, shouldn't it be treated with malarone or mepron? Any thoughts?
Posted by baileypup (Member # 22824) on :
Up for this question:
Gigi, This may be a really stupid question, but are you saying that treating parasites, as you have laid out, will resolve babesia and other protozoa/parasites like the Fry protozoa?
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
jennie, you said, "I have been on Parastroy nearly 9 months. I switched to albendazole for 1 month, but Parastroy works better".
How do you know it works better? Is it from the "evidence" of what you see come out of you?
Did the albendazole give you any unpleasant side effects? If so, what were they?
What about Parastroy, did that have any unpleasant side effects?
I've got some big parasites coming out of me and I'm getting sick from them. They come out the day AFTER a coffee enema. I'm going to the doctor in just a few minutes to show her the parasites and see if she will give me the meds that GIGI outlined above.
I suspect she's gonna not be too comfortable with it. If she doesn't give me an Rx for it, I have no clue as to what I'm gonna do. My LLND can't Rx meds, so it's up to this doctor to give me the Rx for the meds, or not.
According to what I've read, K believes that pharmacy meds are the only thing that's going to kill everything. If that's true, then it makes sense to use the meds instead of the herbal stuff.
I hate doing meds, but the parasites are really getting to me. Nausea, back pain, headaches, left side abdominal pain. Last three days I've had pain in my heart area off and on. I'm concerned that they're getting into my organs now.
I was doing pretty good for awhile until the parasites started showing up. Pretty frustrating to be sick like this again.
Gary
*** Removed practioner's name *** Lou B
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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
I believe you can Rife for Parasite as well. And I would keep that in as an option too. I use it and I have felt it to be very useful. Not perfect but it snot perfect for anything. But is does help keep things in check and keep them from progressing and also keep progress moving forward. Its a great tool for this disease overall and all the infections. Just my opinion and reminder to keep it in mind. I have never used the zapper but remember its frequency treatment too that Dr. Hulda used for her patients for parasites/ protozoans.'
I am glad that people are more open minded that parasites are not just worms and things you can see crawling around in your gut but are a broad range from large to the very tiny that are in blood streams and in blood cells and invade tissues and organs etc. Huge issue and can not be ignored. i agree.
Thanks for the protocol.
I am not aware but what does Dr K have to say about frequency medicine? And what is meant by do not waste your time with energy medicine?
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
I have been using antiparasitic herbs such as Parastroy, Humaworm, Hulda Clark, Monaster of Herbs etc and salt/c since 05-06.
They may work slower, but they have saved my life. I had everything pictured on
come out of me, so I don't think the herbs can be discounted as not being strong enough. I chose this route because I wasn't able to get the pharma meds. The kEY is persistence.
Gael
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
i understand a parasite herx can be much worse than lyme or yeast. is this true?
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
OH YEAH!!!Can be very rough. They don't die easy and are MASTERS at survival. I have experienced Lyme herxing and it was rough, but dealing with these beasts are something else.
I consider myself a lady, but during one of these herxes, I would start cursing like the roughest truck driver you ever heard.( No offense meant to truck drivers.)
Gael
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
Just got back from the doctor. She's a newbie doc and never in her life saw a parasite. I brought her 8 tupperware containers of them. She said to me, "Don't take the lids off". She acted like they were gonna jump out and bite her or something.
I asked her if she ever saw a parasite before? "Nope, never!" I told her what I needed and gave her a list of meds that would kill the parasites and help me get well, but she refused to give me any meds.
She said she'd have to test them first. I told her that the labs here in OK already tested them and they came back negative. The labs here are not qualified to test for parasites. She wouldn't budge. So, still no meds for me. Guess I gotta stick with Gaia Herbs Para-Shield and DE.
*Gael, the thing that bothers me about the herbs is, you say you've been taking them since 05-06, and still haven't gotten rid of all of them. That's a long time to treat parasites, is it not?
Seems if you were taking the meds K recommends that you might not still be dealing with this. Please understand, I'm not being critical at all, but I'm curious, why take herbs when you can take meds that will clear the parasites up within a year or possibly less?
God almighty, I've knowingly been dealing with them a month and they're making me sick with all kinds of symptoms even though they're coming out. I can't imagine dealing with this for five or six years.
I'm so frustrated and discouraged about this whole stinking thing. That doctor about freaked out when she saw the parasites. Monday I will see a different alternative doctor MD/ND and see if he will give me the meds I need. His secretary said he has experience with parasites. Yeah, well see.
Does this nightmare ever end?!?!?!
Gary
*** Removed practioners name *** Lou B
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Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Gary,
As I mentioned above, i did not have access to the pharma meds. Not so sure they will get rid of the parasites in a year either and they are very hard on the liver.
You also should understand that some of these parasites are laying 200,000 eggs a day. That adds up to millions/billions over time.
Also, I have gotten rid of tons of them as I have mentioned and am much better than I was. The doctors for the most part are not trained in parasitology and still think it's a third world problem.
If you are passing them, then you are getting rid of them. You might want to consider taking extra cloves (fresh ground) to get rid of the eggs, otherwise the cycle continues.
Also I encourage you to go on curezone parasite forum for more insight. The other reason that it has taken me so long to get rid of them is that they have had 30 or more yrs to infest my body.
The good news is that you have seen the enemy,it's a blessing to know what you're dealing with...JUST STAY FOCUSED AND DECLARE WAR!!
Gael
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
Thanks for sharing Gael. I am indeed declaring war on these buggers. I'm not the least bit thrilled to do the meds, but at the same time, I just feel like if there's a quicker way to end this then I want to do it.
Since I couldn't handle abx, I am very concerned that I won't be able to handle these meds too. But I'm going to try to take them if this doctor I see on Monday will Rx me some of these that GIGI listed.
The only reason I'm willing to do this is because, I believe if a doctor like Dr. K would say this is the most effective way to rid yourself of parasites, then I believe he must know from his many years of experience in treating patients with parasites.
This weekend I will do as you say and take extra fresh ground cloves. How do you take them? Do you put them in capsules or what? Will they burn my stomach?
Thanks again for your help and support here and with pm's too. You've been a great support to me and many of us here.
Gary
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Gsry,
Your very welcome, and I can only hope I can be of some help. As far as the pharma meds are concerned, I am a big fan of Dr. K. and think he is very far ahead of the game. By all means if you can get the meds he suggests, then go for it.
I have had allopathic medicine save my life more than once. I will be anxious to see your progress if you are able to get them.
I used to put the cloves (and cinnamon in my coffee) Not very tasteful, but back then i didn't care. If your stomach is sensitive, then you can put them in a capsule and take them with food.
Actually, you can just order the clove capsules seperately. It's encouraging that you are killing them with what you are doing.
I am just curious (not being sarcastic) as to how much quicker you can kill them than what you are doing if you have 8 tupperware containers full?
Keep us posted,
Gael
Posted by FYRECRACKER (Member # 28568) on :
question:
I tested positive for trichinella, equivocol for roundworm, i treated with albendezole and mebendazole for 14 days.
I did 30 days of parastroy and 30 days of Dr. Christopher's herbal syrup.
I never had ANYTHING come out that looked like worms.
I don't know what to do next. I was going to try Humaworm. But seriously, I'm ready to kill borrelia and babs and bart. I've been treating for 8-9 months and I've barely been able to touch abx.
If anyone has any suggestions that might help i'm needing some advice. thank you.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Dr. K. prefers pharmaceuticals because they leave you with a lot less toxin than taking herbals for a long time, and the pharmas are much more effective. Albendazole and Alinia cross the blood brain barrier and that is where some of them are hanging out. I know I had one type of them in the face/mouth/jaw because of dental root canal contamination and metal deposits in that area.
Even though Babesia is a parasite (protozoa, like amoebas), he treats Babesia separate from the parasitic worms. which are now mostly in microscopic form and DEEPLY IMBEDDED INTRACELLULARLY AND INSIDE THE BIOFILM.
His treatment: dissolve the biofilm first (Zistus tea). Treat the worms first with the 4-stage parasite protocol I have posted several times before (Biltricide 2 days; then Ivermectin plus pamoate for two weeks; then Albendaz for two weeks, then Alinia for 2 weeks. Most/many people need two rounds of the same protocol.
Then shift to the ****artemisinin/Lyme cocktail for 18 months. In this time usually all of the Babesia disappears. I think he said he had a few cases where he inserted one month of mepron/zighromax and doxy.
Once you get the cocktail figured out, it is quite a pleasant experience. The trick is to start slowly.
I know him well enough that he will never rest until he finds something that works even better, but for now, this works. If you stick with it with some patience.
Do the colonics especially in the early stages --- and some of the items I listed in my first post above.
It helps immensely if you have no ART or other muscle testing help if you learn to use a tensor or pendulum or some form of energetic testing. My tensor is my life saver, because even though I have a number of doctors to call on, they are not there when I need them NOW. I am sure that if you check around you can find someone who can teach you the basics, and if you can figure out why on a particular day you do not feel good or right, your energetic testing will tell you instantly how to best help yourself, which agent to take to help and alleviate a miserable symptom and save the day.
Parasites can do huge amounts of damage --- don't let it happen. I cannot honestly say that I would ever compare a parasite die-off day with the old symptoms I suffered during intense Lyme more than ten years ago. Follow the rules of binders, keep minerals replenished, don't drown yourself in liters of water and don't overkill. More is not better. Many people have done the 6 week parasite protocol and as far as I know everybody is still alive. When the air clears, you will wonder why you have lived in that parasite trap so long.............
If I hear of anything that comes around that will work better, I will keep you posted. Remember the parasites are robbing you of your blood and literally livelihood. If you have signs of being anemic - hurry!
Take care.
And don't forget to treat everyone who lives in your home, including pets. If you can't get at the meds, work yourself slowly into Salt & C as a starter until you can get the pharmaceuticals.
I am repeating here what I experienced myself in my closer circles and what I have heard Dr.K. discuss during conferences, repeatedly. And what I am told by DK therapists from Germany with whom I am in constant contact. They tell me what they know, I tell them what I am told here. Besides that now some of my younger family members nephews and nieces are now popping up with MS, and psyche epoisodes, etc. They used to think I was crazy, but now I get their phone calls during my daytime - the middle of the night for them. It's an epidemic overthere and they face the same problems I faced 15 years ago when most of them thought I was lost in orbit...
Take care.
**** doctor's name removed ****
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Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
FRYECRACKER,
Treating parasites whether with pharma meds or herbs for a short period of time will not make a dent. You have to stay on the meds/herbs for an extended period.
GiGi has layed out Dr.K.s protocol if you want to follow that. It took me 6 months of herbs and salt/c before I saw results. It can take much longer to get at all of them, depending how long you have been infected.
PERSISTENCE is KEY. You might want to also consider adding some salt/c. It is a VERY powerful protoocl and the parasites run from it. It puts them into osmotic shock (dries them out)and they can't stand it.
Hope this makes sense.
Gael
Posted by elkielover80 (Member # 28368) on :
I feel incredibly stupid asking this question but I have over half of the meds listed in the original post sitting in my barn.
Are we talking about the same meds? Is it the exact same thing that I give my dogs and livestock? You can order a few of them from petsuppliesdelivered.com
Maybe I missed something when reading through this and there are animal meds that are different from the "wormers" that we are supposed to take?
I just started an herbal parasite cleanse. The max dose is supposed to be 10 drops 3 times a day and if I take any more than 5 drops total 1 time a day, I am a mess on the couch in the fetal position.
I assume theres a heavy load of parasites. Freaks the crap outta me and I'd really like to get these buggers out!
Posted by jbaer (Member # 31938) on :
Hi GiGi, I know you can't give me a DR's name, but I would really like to follow your suggested protocol. I'm not sure what kind of doctor to go see to obtain theses meds or maybe if I could get them on my own? I have had a comprehensive stool analysis. I came up in the extreme category for parasites and yeast, no good bacteria although I load up on it all the time. I think I should try this protocal My gut is my biggest problem along with toxic build up, which gives me severe neck pain. Whatcha think?
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
jbaer, why didn't your doctor who did the stool test give you antiparasitic medicine? You should have gotten an Rx for it.
Gary
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
jbaer, in Washington State, any ND or MD can prescribe these meds. I don't know how this is in your State. Maybe you can contact the www.Klinghardacademy.com - I know there are people in Arizona who are up on this subject because I see them at the training seminars of Dr.K.
The neck problem is very common as a result of the Varestrongylus klapowi (aka lungworm) and I know that many/most people with Lyme have that added infection.
Hope that will work for you.
Take care.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I think Varestrongylus klapowi is the same as C. pulmoni...(?) There are links between this worm CFS, Lyme & Morgellons.
Anyone have any further info on Dr. Larry Klapow who discovered this worm? Not too much info on the web about him.
FYI -
A Parasitic Roundworm Linked to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome by J. C. Waterhouse, Ph.D.
Only 3 patients are currently known to have attempted treatment of C. pulmoni with anti-roundworm drugs. Improvement through drug treatment appears promising, however long term treatment in one patient indicates that the roundworm may be difficult to completely eradicate (5).
The most promising drugs based on this very limited anecdotal evidence appear to be oral ivermectin and the inhalation of an amount of dissolved thiabendazole equal to approximately 5% to 7% of the oral dose. Now, thiabendazole would have to be replaced by the less toxic albendazole or another more soluble drug (inhaled forms of anti-parasitic drugs are not commercially available at present).
Oral thiabendazole was too toxic and should not be used. Oral albendazole, while having significant side effects, might prove to be useful in combination with other drugs. Inhaled low dose thiabendazole in one patient seemed to have a delayed effect resulting in marked improvement after weekly use for 4 to 5 months.
The delay in improvement could be due to the long life cycle of the roundworm, which means that larvae in the rest of the body can still cause symptoms. for a long time even if those in the lungs are killed. The use of oral ivermectin (brand name, Stromectol) was accompanied by itching and/or diarrhea, perhaps indicating a reaction to the die-off of the roundworm larvae.
It might be that a combination of drugs used for a long time might be needed to eradicate the roundworm. However, based on the experience of two of the patients, it may be that treatment with ivermectin alone might reduce the severity of the illness significantly in only a few weeks or months.
There is not yet sufficient information to know what approach is best. Perhaps a weekly dose of oral ivermectin at the amount adjusted for weight (e.g., 6-21 mg) or perhaps several days in a row of ivermectin repeated every few weeks.
Future research will have to determine what is most effective. The fairly low reproductive rate of the roundworm would probably mean that it would take intensive treatment for a fairly long time (perhaps a year or more) before drug resistance would be likely to develop.
Two of the patients did take enough of the anti-roundworm drugs to feel they improved significantly (some improvement in one patient in a few weeks and in the other in a few months). One patient used several drugs and the other used only ivermectin.
But, of course, this is only anecdotal information and must be interpreted very cautiously. Ivermectin has some potential side effects, but they are not as severe as some other drugs taken by CFS patients on an experimental basis.
Inhalation of drugs other than thiabendazole might also have potential, however, one patient�s trial of inhaled ivermectin did not seem to be very successful (30).
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I read one website where someone suggested to use nebulized iodine & a form of colloidal silver... (?)
Start with treating lung roundworm (varestrongylus klapowi - Dr Larry Klapow) with nebulized Iodine & Respaid. Add Asmol for mucous production in the lungs.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
There also may be symbiotic relationships between parasites & Lyme... Viruses, too...
"The idea that some patients have both the proposed roundworm infection and CWD (cell wall deficient) infection is not purely theoretical. A number of CFS patients that Klapow has found to be positive for C. pulmoni have also tested positive for Lyme disease (30). The Lyme disease spirochete is known to also exist in CWD forms, the form of bacteria that the Marshall Protocol was designed to treat.
As is widely known from experience with HIV-AIDS, there are certain immune suppressing organisms that make it more likely for one to have multiple infections and it may be that this is a role that chronic infection with C. pulmoni plays in CFS. Whether it is involved in other diseases is an open possibility, as the only patients tested for this roundworm so far are CFS patients."
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"The above sections have discussed a type of symbiotic relationship between CWD bacteria and C. pulmoni in which they each affect the human immune system in a way that helps themselves and each other. Another possibility in CFS is a sort of symbiotic relationship between certain viruses and roundworm infections. For example, there is evidence of a significant association between the roundworm infection strongylosis and HTLV1 viral infections (37)."
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
The protocol I posted (6 week) is used by Dr. K. for the lungworm and has proven successful. It also includes the SSKI nebulized, etc. I have found that with any clearing of parasites, the rest of the inhabitants as posted in my post covering the Babuschka principle are always involved and need to be addressed, i.e metals followed by fungi followed by bacteria followed by viruses. Most test only for a short period, but they need to be addressed following or in between or alongside the parasite treatments. All are part of the total ecosystem. Always has been as far back as I can remember and is the reason parasites should be treated early on.
Some people need parasite treatment ongoing for months. Dr. K. uses in that case uses mostly alinia which tests energetically for most.
That is basically his experience with many patients, as well as my own within my family and friends.
The parasite treatment is fairly easy after the first few days, especially if any dysregulations re heavy metals, fungi, etc, have been eliminated via Allergie Immun. And of course KPU is under control.
One ecosystem.
Take care.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Can't afford the drugs, GiGi... They aren'y cheap + I don't have a doctor who would know how to prescribe them.
The herbs seem to be working well for me + diatomaceous earth & boron.
Was just reading that the parasites can become resistant to the drugs. The study suggested that papaya & figs may be useful.
PS - I will keep the drug protocol in mind for some future date when I might be able to do it. Thanks for posting it. I have to do something in the mean time.
Some of the drugs can be ordered through veterinarian supply places. i thought about it but decided to go with the herbs.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
For any of the pharmaceuticals in this 6-week protocol, you will really have to check prices. Some differ by over 100%. Alinia is now quite reasonable in Canada compared to ten years ago when I used it. Check prices. Check prices. I got different ones from every pharmacy I called, including different compound pharmacies.
Salt and C works well and costs little. Some use this as alternative, starting very slowly.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I tried salt/c a while back & it was too strong. I was doing it with the Parastroy. I was dowsing it & it hasn't said "yes" in a while. Even the Parastroy was too strong at first. I had to ramp it up slowly over time.
Seems the diatomaceous earth is a big "yes" with the dowsing. I take it before bed. I think some of the parasites are noctournal. I felt them coming up from my lungs & going into my digestive system. I never realized that's what was happening until I started studying all of this.
I had very bad neck & shoulder pain for a couple of months. I think this info about the lungworm is right on target. After a while, one day I woke up & I wasn't in so much pain. It was like a miracle.
I used to wake up & feel like someone hit me in the back of the neck with a 2 x 4... for years! Not fun.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Sparkle, great paper. I might even overcome my dislike of papaya!
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
FYI-I recall reading this on Mercola's website about papaya:
Hawaiian papaya GM papaya was introduced in 1998. After six years, a test was conducted on 20,000 papaya seeds. Eighty percent were taken from organic farms. Half of the seeds were found to be genetically modified! This means that it�s virtually impossible to safeguard non-GM crops from GM crops.
yeah, when we learn to blow the wind in the direction that suits us, we might still be able to find enough to cure us ..... it took friends of biopure 2 years to find a clean field for growing non-toxic garlic.
Which diatomaceous earth did you settle with, Sparkle? Thanks for your research.
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
Perma-Guard is the "gold standard" for Diatomaceous Earth. Most of the DE companies buy from them and put their label on it and sell it.
This is what I'm using and it IS working. Coffee enemas do too. The acid kills them off and the next day BINGO!
Yes, it's a problem with GMOs. I think you may still be able to find papayas from other places. The Hawaiian ones usually have stickers on them. Now, the radiation is a big problem there, too. The radiation is going to effect the whole western hemisphere from what I've read.
I would think that papain or enzymes from pineapple would be helpful as anti-parasite supplements.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Our contributor, Dr. Shillington, tells us there are more enzymes in one papaya seed than in a whole store-bought enzyme capsule. The papaya seed also has all the nutrients necessary for almost instant assimilation.
Spread the seeds of an organic papaya (must be organic) on a wax paper covered plate or cookie sheet. Let them dry out for atleast a week. (If you have a food dehydrator it will take a few days). Then put them in a salt or pepper mill (or crush with a mortar pestle). Just grind them over your food as you would fresh pepper. In fact, papaya seeds are a bit spicy and taste similar to pepper, so they are an excellent substitute.
Fresh pineapple is another great source for enzymes. Buy one and eat it. Your body will thank you for days.
Enzymes in Food
Did you know your body is converting enzymes into other different enzymes all the time? By eating fresh, organic pineapple and organic papaya seeds, you�ll get all the enzymes you need, and your body will know how to convert these enzymes into the ones it needs most.
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
are ya'll saying you can eat dirt??
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
Pineapple is good to use for parasite removal.
Parasites do not like the following: unrefined carbohydrates, raw green vegetables, bitter melons, tomatoes, black pepper, raw carrots and their tops, fresh horseradish, onions, vegetable proteins, high fiber, radishes, kelp, raw cabbage, ground almonds, blackberries, figs, and alkaline diets.
In addition, roundworms can be expelled with rose hip tea, and raisins soaked in senna tea makes for faster elimination of parasites in children. In Mexico, fresh pineapple and papaya are used to cure worm infestations, and the seeds are often chewed to eliminate parasites.
It's not mentioned, but pumpkin seeds are also good for parasite removal. I eat organic, ground up, raw pumpkin seeds daily and sprinkle it in my yogurt and almost anything else too.
Gary
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
randibear, don't you miss the days when you made mud pies and ate them? ; )
No, this is not exactly "dirt".
What is Diatomaceous Earth?
Diatomaceous earth is a remarkable, all-natural product made from tiny fossilized water plants. Diatomaceous Earth is a naturally occurring siliceous sedimentary mineral compound from microscopic skeletal remains of unicellular algae-like plants called diatoms. These plants have been part of the earth's ecology since prehistoric times.
It is believed that 30 million years ago the diatoms built up into deep, chalky deposits of diatomite. The diatoms are mined and ground up to render a powder that looks and feels like talcum powder to us. It is a mineral based pesticide.
DE is approximately 3% magnesium, 33% silicon, 19% calcium, 5% sodium, 2% iron and many other trace minerals such as titanium, boron, manganese, copper and zirconium. Diatomaceous Earth is a natural (not calcined or flux calcined) compound. Diatomaceous Earth is a natural grade diatomite
Gary
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I don't know if the alkaline diet is good to get rid of parasites. I read that stomach acid is what kills them. So, more acid foods may be a deterrent...
I think the alkaline diet is anti-cancer. I actually think we need a balance of acid & alkaline. I don't think it's a one size fits all equation. It depends on the individual.
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
Oh my have I got some studying to do. Printing off this thread for follow-up instructions.
Gigi, I'm going to make appt with Dr K..I know he is booked far out into Jan '12 I heard.
I've cleaned my teeth/mouth up. I'm left with removal of one root canal(upper right molar) and one cavatation (upper left no teeth, all molars gone, quad nothing but local hang out in bone & tissue)
The upper left was area is the tooth I made the dentist pull from my being 4 days before the illness flu-like he!! started. July '99.
The dentist pulled this molar after I had spent 5 years and thousands of dollars to save it.
It throbbed like a hammered thumb day in and day out. I insisted my dentist pull it and he sent me on my way.
No abx, nothing but take pain relievers if it hurts. Dum dum released the largest toxic mess right into my body and most likely my bloodstream.
I truly thought I was going to die. A muscle testing chiro doctor in Illinois that I went to told me I had strep in my heart at one time and I was very blessed to have lived thru it.
Thanks to dum dum dentist. He was fired after I realized he wasn't helping me but toxic to my being. I'm slow it took me 3 yrs to learn that lesson.
I'm probably going to Washington DC to have that work done by doc that trained under Dr K. Recommendation by TammyN here on lymenet.
If I can't find someone closer to Louisville.
Gigi, my question for you is....parasites first or clean up dental quads first?
Or all of the above before my first visit to Dr K? My body is very sensitive to all major detoxing.
I've been thru rough times for 12 yrs, what's another year of killing parasites & toxic matter in my mouth.
I know you've posted in the past about great resources of knowledge/studies and resources from the University of Kentucky about cavitations....I'll start with that site looking for someone here closer.
Thanks for your wisedom. I did parasite killing off back in '05&'06. But since I'm a tick magnet I'm sure they are living it up again.
Pam
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Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
sparkle, I really have no clue. Just posted that from a website I read. I'm sure you're right, but the pineapple is obviously a good thing to eat for parasites--and papaya seeds too.
Gary
Posted by jennie46 (Member # 20953) on :
quote:Originally posted by gwb: jennie, you said, "I have been on Parastroy nearly 9 months. I switched to albendazole for 1 month, but Parastroy works better".
How do you know it works better? Is it from the "evidence" of what you see come out of you?
Yeah, the evidence said it all! I passed parasites a few days a week on albendazole. After switching back to Parastroy, I passed them for 9 days straight and now a few days per week.
Did the albendazole give you any unpleasant side effects? If so, what were they?
No unpleasant side effects.
What about Parastroy, did that have any unpleasant side effects?
No, just horrible herx when parsites die.
I've got some big parasites coming out of me and I'm getting sick from them. They come out the day AFTER a coffee enema. I'm going to the doctor in just a few minutes to show her the parasites and see if she will give me the meds that GIGI outlined above.
I showed my parasites to several docs. They ran tests, which were negative, and declared I did not have them...even though they looked at them! Whatever!
I suspect she's gonna not be too comfortable with it. If she doesn't give me an Rx for it, I have no clue as to what I'm gonna do. My LLND can't Rx meds, so it's up to this doctor to give me the Rx for the meds, or not.
According to what I've read, K believes that pharmacy meds are the only thing that's going to kill everything. If that's true, then it makes sense to use the meds instead of the herbal stuff.
I hate doing meds, but the parasites are really getting to me. Nausea, back pain, headaches, left side abdominal pain. Last three days I've had pain in my heart area off and on. I'm concerned that they're getting into my organs now.
I was doing pretty good for awhile until the parasites started showing up. Pretty frustrating to be sick like this again.
My parasite herxes have been worse than any other herx.
Gary
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Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Gary, "My parasite herxes have been worse than any other herx."
Have you tested if KPU is a problem for you. Of course, when you have a die-off of parasites, they are releasing toxic metals they held in storage (in their coats). So you need to get binders on board to take care of them. The metals then also release fungi, and you have to look out for that and take some antifungal stuff.
I have posted the Babuschka Principle many times. The reason Dr. K. has always encouraged to treat parasites early on is because they hold all the other miserables that are being released when die-off of parasites takes place. I am amazed how often I can post this proven stuff before anyone will pay attention to it. I feel like shutting up.
There is no great herxing if you prepare well. Of course the metals are also in the heart as they are everywhere. So when the parasites break, you need to watch out for the toxic metal release and prepare for it with binders. It happens within a day of the parasite killing.
Learn to test yourself with a tensor or pendulum and you will immediately know what your next move should be.
Be aware that this can be going on for months, and prepare yourself, and go at it very slowly.
If KPU is a problem for you and you do not have adequate amounts of the CORE agents in you, you are going to crash badly when the metals are starting to release. You simply do not have the proper agents on board to shuttle the metals through. I hope you have looked into the KPU situation and are taking CORE. I would guess that you definitely do not have enough zinc etc. on board. Scroll down to Dr.K.'s voice telling about KPU. http://planetthrive.com/2010/04/hpukpu-protocol-for-lyme-and-autism/
Hope this helps some.
Posted by jennie46 (Member # 20953) on :
Gigi,
I have considered KPU...have a few of the symptoms.
I will be on my own taking supplements to see if any improvement.
The protocol states taking some meds before breakfast, with breakfast, etc. I take abx at breakfast...can the supplements be taken at the same time?
Does KPU ever resolve or is this a life-long treatment?
Thanks for all your help.
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
Anybody know the mechanism behind why parasites cause low back pain?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I don't know but I've had lower back pain since I was 17... My father had it, too. I thought it was genetic. Who knows?
Posted by jbaer (Member # 31938) on :
GiGi, thanks so much for responding to me and for the info on possibly finding a doc in my state. A few posts ago, you said that you called around to different pharmacies, including outside the U.S. Do I still need scripts from docs to get these meds if I purchase them out of state? I have been fighting these diseasee and co-infections for so log, but no doctors ever thought about attacking this way. Just very fired up to start and see if it works. I have tried everything else so it gives me new hope. Thank you, God bless
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
Gigi, some of us(me) are mentally slow and have to do things one step at a time. If I read everything you ever posted on this site I would be Gigi #2.
I'm not. But I got your message. I will go back and read what you've posted so I can answer my own questions.
Gigi, I've been paying attention. I just went thru my folder and pulled out everything I printed off or wrote down that had your name or Dr K name on the piece of hand written paper by my own handwriting.
On April 1, 2003 you posted a list of 5-6 years of therapies and supps and everything major that you had done to try to recover.
On April 2 you posted supps, abx, heavy metal detox list and other notes about what you've done to fight this war.
While I was going thru this huge folder of notes and print outs I found stuff that I wrote down to do and stuff I printed off to do....
and here I am years later still plugging away at what I need to do.
By the way I found my hand written notes on Dr B and Dr K, they had done a lyme seminar together and I wrote down what was written by some other note taker.
Now could I have messed up my notes, you bet:
Dr K notes mold & lyme create superbug
antimicrobials needed
clear urine not good-Matrix Electrolytes 1 tbs quart of water Bio_pur has phosphorous
Lungworm-babs & bart live in lungs
Cork flooring is best
So, I remembered my notes correctly. I wrote what someone else wrote from the seminar. I might have misunderstood their notes but I'm usually pretty good at getting Dr K or Dr B stuff written or printed off.
By the way in roughly 6-12 months I'm getting new flooring in my home. I'm going cork, might do bamboo but I feel uneasy about bamboo for some reason. I've already priced cork and procedure and pros and cons of cork floor.
It's cheaper than beautiful hardwood floors, but I will not put something harmful to my being in my home.
Pam
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
Just got back from the new MD/ND. He's a doctor who travels to Africa every year as a missionary. He admitted that my parasites were not like the ones he's seen in Africa, however, he was willing to do two things for me.
1. Let Metametrix do the GI panel test and test for parasites.
2. He Rx'd me some Albendazole to take just like GIGI said, Albendazole 400 mg 2 x l/daily for 14 days. He said to take a two week break and if needed to do it over again.
He did not feel comfortable with giving me Ivermectin, or some of the other meds as he felt they were too toxic and too hard on the liver. He said he's had excellent results with the people in Africa when he treats them with Albendazole.
So, hopefully this will do the job for me. He agreed with GIGI the colonics are a MUST and wants me to do it after the two week treatment. He said I could continue on the herbal antiparasitic while doing the meds. He never heard of DE before, so wasn't sure if it was a good idea to continue taking it with Albendazole or not. I think I probably will continue unless there's some reason why I should not.
He's very pro coffee enema and told me to keep up with it. He took blood tests, CBC, liver enzymes and one other test that I can't recall at the moment.
He never heard of Metametrix Labs but was more than willing to call them and find out what needed to be done to get me tested through them. I'll be getting a test kit sent to me at home from Metametrix then I will return it to Metametrix for testing.
They will fax the results to the doctor. He'll see me in two weeks with the results. He feels confident this will clear up the parasites, but if not, then I have a second refill to do it again for two more weeks. Not sure it's going to be as simple as he says, but it's a start.
I think I'll keep up with the DE, and alternate between the Gaia Para-Shield and the DE while taking Albendazole. Any thoughts on that?
Seems to be some differences of opinions regarding binders. What's the best way for me to go with binders? Take them or not take them? I for sure will continue with the coffee enemas and the chlorella, is that enough? I asked the doctor about the die-off and needing to take binders. He said no need for it. Not sure if he's experienced enough to know the answer to that.
So, that's the latest. Now I'm going to start the new meds, probably in the morning, and hope I survive them--and hope the parasites don't survive them. ; )
Any suggestions, comments and feedback is always welcomed and appreciated.
Thanks! Gary
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Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I'd probably hold off on the DE while taking the drugs. It might absorb the drugs & make them less effective... Just a thought in case the DE does the same thing as clay or charcoal. May be the case with chlorella, too.
You can always go back to it in a couple of weeks. You have to be careful with herbs combined with drugs. Sometimes, they can counteract each other. It depends. They don't always have the research between the two so you don't know for sure.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Gary,
Sounds like a really productive appt with this Doc. Your lucky that he understands something about parasites.
I agree with sparkle about not taking DE while taking the drugs. I would just do the coffee enema. Will be interesting to see how effective the albendazole is.
Good Luck with this. keep us posted,
Gael
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
I've been doing some research on Albendazole, this is some scary medicine! Some of the potential side effects are worse than the parasites symptoms. I wonder if it's really worth the risk or if it's best to just stay with the natural stuff?
I cannot imagine someone taking ALL of the various meds that K recommends taking for parasites. Has anyone taking all of these meds? Which one did you find the most difficult to tolerate?
I just don't know what to think now. I'm going to research this some more and see what people who've taken this have to say about it.
Is there anyone here who's taken Albendazole? If so, please share your experience with me.
Thanks!
Gary
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Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
All of these questions and doubts we all have about taking this and that is exactly why Gigi has stressed a good muscle testing, actually ART trained doc like Dr K.
We aren't all blessed with knowing how to muscle test ourselves or have that healthwise true doctor that is truly acting in our best interests.
I had a muscle testing doc for 3 yrs. He did some wonderful things for me but there came a point where my body did not or would not communicate or tell what it truly needed. but I think this doc actually refused to learn anything about my issues and my body got tired of trying to get him to understand it wants.
I felt like his car payment. I moved on.
I think a good doctor keeps studying and researching and looking and learning and wanting to know more and more that can benefit his patients.
I hope that makes sense even to those of you that have never experienced a muscle testing voodoo(joke) type doctor. The body will speak you only need someone who knows how to listen to it.
Pam
Posted by FYRECRACKER (Member # 28568) on :
i pitched this idea to my doctor.
She wants me to do 6 weeks of Humaworm first and then retest. (i really don't see the need to retest but that's another story).
My liver is a little sluggish and my gall bladder isn't the most happy. I'm also having some kidney issues. They just are down in the dumps.
She said she will put me on these meds if I want to, but she thinks its wise to go slow and do herbal for now. I want to hurry up and go to war.
What is best? Should I wait to do the pharmaceuticals outlined here?
I do follow your info Gigi, i've bookmarked a many of your posts! it's just so much to wrap my lyme brain around at times and it's hard to know which way to go when you're new to the treatment game.
I really am convinced treating parasites first is the way to go. I would love to get my amalgam fillings out asap, but I feel like my system has SO MUCH to detox from. it's insane.
Any friendly pointers? Herbs ok to do for now?
Looks like it's gonna be a long haul either way.
Posted by FYRECRACKER (Member # 28568) on :
I took albendazole...i had no issues with it.
Posted by onlyflippin (Member # 32260) on :
gwb where did you get the tupperware of parasites from??
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
They came out of my pooper. Not a pretty site to see.
Gary
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
quote:Originally posted by FYRECRACKER: I took albendazole...i had no issues with it.
Fyre,
Glad to know you didn't have any issues with side effects, but did it clear up your parasites?
Gary
Posted by FYRECRACKER (Member # 28568) on :
i would say not. I never saw any parasites come out. but if i was only dealing with trichinella, i wouldn't. but... I feel like i have more left to address.
Plus.. EDS test picked up trace parasites and looked at intestinal flukes. So I know I have some things left.
My doc is afraid i can't handle this protocol because of the herxing
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Parasite herxing is very difficult. I like the herbs because you can back off & reduce dosage. I don't know if it's the same with the drugs. They seem kind of harsh or toxic - aside from the herxing.
I was considering going with the drugs but I dowsed it & asked a friend to dowse it for me, too. My friend said to add boron & DE & it would be as effective as the drugs. I tried it & it seems to be working.
The herxes from parasites can be very severe - more so than the side effects from the drugs... This is something that I wouldn't want to mess around with.
The die-off can be quite bad. Like unexpected diarrhea when you are in Walmart & they are cleaning the bathroom... Severe aches & pains. Bizarre stuff coming out in the toilet. Sensation of sandpaper in your colon - literally bug up your butt... pimples, insomnia, anxiety, etc.
Posted by Garden (Member # 31671) on :
Albenza hadsn't given me any side effects. I take milk thistle to support my liver and do many things to help detox.
I don't see visible parasites (though actually I've been suspicious the past few days, but not all parasites are visible.
I think this bears repeating: not all parasites are big worms that will come out in the toilet.
I am taking the Dr K parasite protocol - you don't take them all at once. You cycle through. Each drug hits a different group of parasites, so some may cause more of a herx than others.
Frankly, I am much happier on the parasite protocol (and I have had some clear herxes) than I was on the doxy, which was just miserable non-stop AND gave me neutropenia.
I think the severity and type of herxing varies widely, based on the type, location, and severity of an individual's parasites.
Posted by NanaDubo (Member # 14794) on :
Gary, I'm not a fan of pharmaceuticals and neither is my doctor but she has me on albenza. The first time I took it I really had to hit the detox stuff. It is quite easy now and no noticeable side affects other than some weird dreams.
It is much gentler on me than the herbs I tried. My doctor says she thinks the parasites kind of get tortured with herbs - not a quick death and that is why people can have a hard time.
You can find scary info on the internet about just about anything. I always test the albenza and it has been a good one for me.
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
I read on curezone that Albenza should be taken with fats otherwise it will not work as effectively. Couple other places said the same thing. The doctor said nothing about that to me. Do either of you, Nana and Garden, eat fats with it or any special instructions to follow when taking it?
My biggest concern is my kidney which this med warns about. I'm still researching and trying to decide what to do.
Thanks for your comments. I appreciate you sharing your experiences with this med.
Gary
Posted by Garden (Member # 31671) on :
I do take with fat. The instructions from the pharmacy mention it, if you read allllll the fine print.
I add extra fat to my meal or take a spoonful of flaxseed oil.
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
Neither my doctor nor the pharmacist said anything about it. I found out from curezone and doing a google search. I'm still reading the instructions that came with the meds but I need a magnifying glass as the print is so small. You'd think someone would mention this if it is important information.
Gary
Posted by Garden (Member # 31671) on :
I know, right? Also, do not drink grapefruit juice while on Albenza. Why do they not tell us these things?
Posted by NanaDubo (Member # 14794) on :
Gary, my doctor told me to take it with a LOT of fat - stressed lot.
I eat an entire avocado with each pill.
Curezone will tell you it has to be chewed. My doc said no.
Posted by jennie46 (Member # 20953) on :
Gary,
I have taken albendazole for one month at a time twice, between Parastroy. Parasites are still not gone.
When I switched back to Parastroy from albendazole, parasites came pouring out of me.
I have been battling parasites with Parastroy and albendazole for 9 months now.
Wish I could get Dr. K's recommended drugs.
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
Nano see, this is where it all gets confusing. Several people say the meds should be crushed and mixed in food and taken with 40 grams of fat. Your doctor says not to crush it. Who to believe???
My doctor said nothing about how to take it. The pharmacist said nothing about it. I read ALL of the instructions with the meds and not one word in there about taking it with fats.
jennie, I was "lucky" to get Albendazole from this doctor. He is a missionary doctor who treats people every year in Africa with this med and he swears by it. He looked at the K protocol that I copied here, the one GIGI posted, and said that's way too much and too hard on the liver, too many toxins, even if it's spread out like he outlines. He wasn't going to give me anything else, just the Albendazole.
I doubt any doctor (other than K) will give anyone all those meds. Curezone has a list of websites where you can buy some of them online, others you have to buy at a feed store and try to figure out how to cut the doses down since most of the meds are for horses or big animals.
This is too confusing for me. I'm tempted to do the two weeks of Albendazole and see how it goes. Not the least bit excited about it. Some guy, who everyone claims to be a parasite expert on curezone, said all herbs do is kill a few parasites but most of them are scattered about throughout the body. He's a believer in herbs and all that, but feels the meds must be taken to do the job.
He says that Albendazole and Ivermectin need to be taken together as they work synergistically and are far more effective when taken together.
So, confusion abounds. Right now I'm leaning towards doing the meds then go and do a couple of colonics. The doctor suggested I do that and I planned on doing it anyway. Then wait and see what happens. I'll probably do like you are doing and take Parastroy after the two weeks of meds and colonics.
Thanks everyone for your input. If only life could be a bit more simple. I like simple, but simple doesn't like me. I suppose many of us feel the same way. One way or the other, we're gonna beat this bleeping disease! ; )
Gary
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Posted by jbaer (Member # 31938) on :
To further complicate things, are we not supposed to have any fats becuase of the Biofilm?? I am on malarone, and abt to start Dr. K protocol. All the meds are supposed to be taken with fat, and I'm supposed to be on a non-fat diet?
Every dr sais something different. Auuuugggg!!
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I read the stuff on Curezone about the drugs. Some people say you have to take the drugs for months - even over a year. From what I read, many of the drugs are (or can be) toxic.
I know Gael did well without the drugs. I am doing so much better & I didn't take the drugs. I don't really know how these people who post can know for sure that the herbs make the parasites scatter throughout the body. Eventually, they will die.
First of all, not everyone has the same type of parasites.
Second of all, wouldn't the drugs do the same thing (ie: make the parasites scatter throughout the body)?
I think the advantage of herbs over drugs is that they are less toxic. If you have to take them for a long time, it seems that the herbs are safer since they are less toxic.
Just from experience, I think whichever way you go - you have to do it for a long time. With Parastroy - you can take it for 6 months & take a month off & do it again.
I don't think there's alot of data about drugs in regards to long term use, effectivness, & toxicity for humans. They have mostly been used on animals.
It is a difficult decision. Gary, in your case, you can try the drugs for a couple of weeks & see how it goes. You can always go back to the herbs later.
There are alot of options with herbs. There are different brands, different herbs - you can try salt/c or diatomaceous earth, boron, etc. It seems like you do have to stick with it for at least a year or more whichever way you go.
Rain-tree herbs (rain-tree.com) has this product which may be a good alternative to the traditional Western approach if you want to switch it up -
AMAZON A-P 120 capsules / 650 mg $31.95 A combination of rainforest plants which are traditionally used in South America for parasites.* Suggested use: 2 - 3 capsules twice daily with meals. Ingredients: a proprietary blend of amargo, simarouba, boldo, fedegoso, carqueja, quinine, erva tost�o, epazote, anamu, and graviola.
I've heard good things about it. I haven't tried it, yet. There are options...
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Also - I herxed alot from the Nutramedix Enula, Cumanda, & Quina... when I was doing the Cowden protocol. I know why now. These are all anti-parasite herbs. I thought it was from the Lyme as to why I herxed... in retrospect - it was parasites.
For me - I think I may have had the hidden lungworm & maybe others. You won't necessarily see that in the toilet. It takes practice spotting parasite looking things in your bowel movements - sorry to be so graphic. I think, you do really have to look, though.
Posted by FYRECRACKER (Member # 28568) on :
"The die-off can be quite bad. Like unexpected diarrhea when you are in Walmart & they are cleaning the bathroom... Severe aches & pains. Bizarre stuff coming out in the toilet. Sensation of sandpaper in your colon - literally bug up your butt... pimples, insomnia, anxiety, etc." (sparkle)
Sparkle, I feel this way now w/o any anti-parasitic drugs.
The only thing I've been on is A-Bab. I have acne on my chest and face and back. Seems like I need to shower at least twice a day if not 3 just to feel CLEAN. creepy crawly sensations and sores in that area. my eyes are dry itchy and patchy, i have insomnia, anxiety, and i am SO irritable! I just don't even want to be around people for very long.
so if this is gentle..i dont know. I was on albendazole and mebendazole for trichinella, I didn't experience any discomfort (dragged out agonizing discomfort) when on pharma.
My doc did agree to give me this entire list of meds. but she highly advised against it.
I told her I would try humaworm for 6 more weeks and then we can consider it at that time.
Posted by FYRECRACKER (Member # 28568) on :
The WO helps the herbs to cross the blood brain barrier.
I'm going to try to confuse the buggers by doing this for 10 days or so and then go back to A-Bab for a week and then I should have Humaworm in the mail by then.
We'll see what happens, I try to keep my blog updated but it gets hard to find the time (energy) to write.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Sorry you are so ill, FYRE...
Humaworm didn't seem strong enough to me. I thought the Parastroy was better & cheaper...
Posted by FYRECRACKER (Member # 28568) on :
hmm. I've tried Parastroy for a while. didn't seem to do much. maybe i just never took it long enough.
is it good to rotate types of treatments for parasites
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I think you need the green, black walnut hulls - not the leaves + wormwood & cloves. I think the Systemic Formulas are a bit overrated - no offense to you or others...
Also - someone here had an adverse reaction to the Humaworm - so we all are different.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
How long did you try it?
Posted by FYRECRACKER (Member # 28568) on :
30 days or a little longer. I think VRM3 is mostly for more microscopic organisms, hence the different ingredients.
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
I may try the Pekana product Helminth. Pharmaceuticals and I do not go well together and usually herbs are hard on my tummy. I have done well with other Pekana products and this one is supposed to hit roundworms and tapeworms, so it is worth a try. So far I don't energetically test well for any anti-parasite drugs--prescription or herbs, so maybe I don't need them.
Hiker53
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
FYRE- yes, could be a good thing to try something else... We all need our own unique way to go about things.
Sometimes, it takes longer for people tp start purging parasites or you may not have the correct formula. Seems like it's "something" you are dealing with.
I don't mean to scare you but there are links between Morgellons & Lyme. It really does take time with the anti=parasite protocols. I've been doing this for a year or 2.
I'm finally starting to feel better!
Not everyone needs the heavy drug protocol. I'd take it slow at first. Parasite herxes are really bad!!!
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
Fyre, when I showed my doctor the list that GIGI posted he was pretty shocked that someone would Rx all those toxic meds to his patients. He made it clear that I wasn't going to get anything more than Albendazole from him, at least not now.
However, he said if my parasite test from Metametrix (the lab I chose) comes back negative, then he'll consider adding Ivermectin, but he'd do it very reluctantly. He doesn't think it's a good drug, nor does he think it's necessary based on his own experience in treating parasites.
He claims to have had great success treating parasites every year when he goes on his missionary trips to Africa. He admitted my parasites were different than what he's seen in Africa. I'm not sure he ever saw parasites that looked like mine. He asked me if I ever went to another country. I actually did go to Mexico over ten years ago, but I told him it was most likely Lyme related.
He's familiar with Lyme disease and has patients who have lyme but he doesn't treat them for it. He understands what they go through and he doesn't brush them off as if it's all in their head. He's a pretty opened minded doctor for a MD/ND in our town. I'd go back to him just because he's open minded enough to let me share ideas with him and talk about lyme disease without rolling his eyes.
I asked him to refer me to a good GI doctor. He said it would be a total waste of time to see a GI doctor because they're not open minded enough to believe people in the US have parasites. I like his attitude. He is pro coffee enema and wants me to do colonics after I take the meds.
I think I finally found me a half way decent MD/ND here in OK. I look forward to getting the test kit from Metametrix and getting the test results back.
hiker, thanks for the pm and for sharing with me that information. I appreciate it and plan to respond to you soon.
Gary
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
It took me 6 mos of strong herbs (16 caps a day,not suggesting anyone do that much) and then started salt/c and parasites started pouring out of me like pictured on Lymephotos.
FYRE,
It takes persistence with the herbs to get rid of these parasites One month is not nearly enough. I agree with sparkle as far as Parastroy being much stronger than Humaworm.
Adding salt/c could be a powerful adjunct as well.
P. S.
I really feel "Morgellons" is really the Filarial Worm co-infection. Gael
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
Gael, I noticed today as I was drinking my salt/c that I would get a pressure inside the left side of my head. It only happened when I would drink the salt/c.
It lasted just for a few minutes then went away. Then again after I took another sip of the salt/c water the head pressure returned. No pain, just pressure.
I'm only using 1/8 tsp of himalayan salt and 1/8 tsp of c. Do you know what might cause this? Have you heard of anyone else experience this with salt/c?
Gary
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
quote:Originally posted by gwb: Fyre, when I showed my doctor the list that GIGI posted he was pretty shocked that someone would Rx all those toxic meds to his patients.
This is exactly why it's so dangerous to post doctor's protocols ....
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Gary, No, I haven't heard anyone talk about that particular symptom when drinking the salt/c. I did however experience a swelling which eventually turned into a bump(s) all over my scalp.
That occured with the herbs and then the salt/c. If you have any parasites in the head area, they will start running from the salt and cause different sensations.
It can happen at low doses. The salt is VERY antiparasitic and also acts against borrelia, and other co-infections.
Gael
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
six, just so you know, he doesn't know who gave me the list, no names of doctors or lymenet users were mentioned. He had no interest in who's protocol it was and I had no intentions of telling him.
Gary
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
re: I really feel "Morgellons" is really the Filarial Worm co-infection. Gael
Yes, there seems to be a worm component but it seems like more than that. Tests for Lyme are often positive with Morgellon's patients. Sort of odd. I don't have it so I can't really say. It must be dreadful. I heard that Joni Mitchell has Morgellon's...
The red and blue fibers Dr. Harvey talks about are the same ones pictured on www.lymephotos.com
He hypothesizes that the red fibers are male and the blue ones are female, however there are green and black ones also. I know first hand because they came out of me.
Dr. Harvey describes the red ones as male and the blue as female, but that doesn't explain the green and black ones.
I never in a million yrs would have suspected I had this after pretty much had most symptoms that a lot of Lyme sufferers describe.
It was because of the aggressive herbs and the high dose salt/c that I have done, that I was able to force them to evacuate.
I highly suspect that a lot of chronic Lyme patients that are having a hard time getting well have this. Not sure if Filarial worms are described having colored bodys, but the owner of lymephotos describes them as Filarial nematodes.
Not sure if the Filarial worms Burgdorfer found were ever described as having color.
Stephen King couldn't even write this nightmare.
Gael
Posted by jennie46 (Member # 20953) on :
As far as herbals, can anyone recommend anything that worked for them as well as Parastroy?
I feel like I should definitely switch things up since I have taken it for so long.
Does anyone think pulsing 3 weeks on, 1 week off would keep parasites from becoming resistant to herbs?
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
jennie,
Google parasite herbs and you will come up with a lot of different options,
Gael
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Some may think this is a bit out there but it seems possible to me -
You may not have full blown Morgellons but these ideas may help people with an open mind. I believe there are links between Morgellons & Lyme.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Please note that I now removed the total protocol in my original post of this thread. It had been been altered in a way by moderator(s) that completely negated the purpose of its use as a combination protocol. Size, location, type of parasites and timing were all considered in this single protocol. It was developed by more than one capable lyme literate and parasite literate medical doctor dealing successfully with the problem.
Over 11 years I have been sharing info here, I have read thousands of protocols on this board used by lyme literate medical professionals, and not a single one was ever altered or disallowed without the consent of the originator even though many are clearly inferior or simply just don't work longterm or shortterm, whether dangerous or not.
For months and years, my posts are being removed, altered, tinkered with, destroyed in context, or moved to another section even though clearly addressing a medical problem connected with a chronic disease. Why? It has been my intent for years to post relevant information and I don't want to waste my time on coffee enemas (never had one) and yeastfree diets (that are useless if you are metal toxic) , because these clearly do not address the meat of the many problems we face.
Take care and get well.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
quote:Originally posted by GiGi: Over 11 years I have been sharing info here, I have read thousands of protocols on this board used by lyme literate medical professionals, and not a single one was ever altered or disallowed without the consent of the originator even though many are clearly inferior or simply just don't work longterm or shortterm, whether dangerous or not.
Not true. Full protocols have not been allowed for quite some time now. They regularly get reported because members are aware of this, and they get edited. The "consent of the originator" is not sought.
Here is the note regarding this that is stickied at the top of medical questions. Please note that Lou rewrote it the other day, but the first version of it had been up and enforced for months. ALL members have to follow the terms of use, you have not been singled out. http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/108368
Members please note, several posts were removed because they were discussing whether this is a good rule instead of the topic.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I removed several more posts every one of them having to do with the rules, not the thread topic. I already have explained to you why the posts were removed and will not do it again.
I am closing this thread since it is not getting back on topic. I have copied all of the removed posts and forwarded them to Lou b.
My PM's are enabled. There is no reason to be compaining to me on the public board except to stir things up, which is obviously what the four of you are trying to do. I know you will look here. Consider this a warning. The board owners don't expect me to put up with this blatant, public disrespect especially when it's their rules I'm enforcing. Think about it. It has never in history helped anything to kill the messenger.
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Yeah, the evidence said it all! I passed parasites a few days a week on albendazole. After switching back to Parastroy, I passed them for 9 days straight and now a few days per week. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
No unpleasant side effects.![[Mad]](mad.gif)
No, just horrible herx when parsites die.![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
I showed my parasites to several docs. They ran tests, which were negative, and declared I did not have them...even though they looked at them! Whatever!![[bonk]](graemlins/bonk.gif)
My parasite herxes have been worse than any other herx.