I started the A-L, A-Bart and A-Babs about two months ago-I started at one drop and did that for a few weeks then ramped up a drop at a time. Currently, I take 14 drops BID of each three tinctures. I notice headaches sometimes, nausea, fatigue and sometimes aches in my joints, these all come and go. When I get nauseous I stay at that level for a bit before moving forward. I am trying to get to 15 which I think I will make tomorrow.The brain fog and anxiety I think are mildly better. I am also on Mepron but because of recurrent c diff my LLMD has taken me off ABX for now and maybe for ever.. Wondering how any others are doing on these herbs? Are they taking them with ABX or Mepron/Malarone, other drugs? Anti-parasitics? How effective have they been? Any other experiences, I take them separately, has anyone put them all together? That would make dosing easier...
Posted by dan67 (Member # 20344) on :
I'm curious about this too. There's another thread currently, about whether these herbals just make you herx or also give improvement.
Posted by Igor's mom (Member # 29191) on :
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Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
I used for 3 months. Ramped up to full dosage in 2 weeks.
I found them to be very weak and overrated.
Posted by FYRECRACKER (Member # 28568) on :
I am restarting A-BAB today at 6 drops. I started at 1 drop for a week, then the next week I did 2 drops, so on and so forth.
At 4-5 drops I seemed to be herxing (just feeling crappy) so i stayed there for a while.
Today I am restarting at 6 drops 2x per day and also getting back on Parastroy and Salt-C
I feel like Bart must be flaring because randomly I will get severely depressed (after being happy) and then I'll straight go into a rage at the simplest things (the internet is too slow!) Argh!
I assume this means I am hitting Babesia. My air hunger isn't as bad, but I want to get up to 15 drops and finish the bottle before I make an assessment.
I believe I will treat Bart with abx next. I'm going to ask my doc to hit it harder than she has been. 9 months of tx and I'm barely past treating my gut! I know its important but sheesh!
I'm ready to herx and get some of this stuff over with.
I still wish to hit babs with some abx, but thats just because I want to be thorough. Maybe my mind will change after i finish the bottle.
I'm interested to hear about these remedies as well (especially A_BART) and if there are any success stories. It's hard to see progress when you're in the trenches every day. Everything kind of muddles together eh?
Posted by pooldog71 (Member # 21722) on :
Can I get well on 1 drop?
I have been taking AL Complex for almost 3 months. It has been very interesting. I got "up to" 2 drops twice a day and felt like I had been run over, lots of pain and soreness all over. It was not pretty. I am now at 1 drop per day. Feeling better, but not great. I seem to react strongly to both abx and herbals. I have read that some people are like that. Can I get the same level of treatment taking 1 drop per day, compared to someone taking 10 drops, twice per day?
To me the BW herbals seem strong, quite a difference compared to Canefan17. Or do I just need to tough it out?
Also, I will be starting A Bart soon ...
Posted by pooldog71 (Member # 21722) on :
FYRECRACKER
You are so right when you stated "It's hard to see progress when you're in the trenches every day. Everything kind of muddles together eh?"
That sums it up for me.
Posted by pooldog71 (Member # 21722) on :
FYRECRACKER
You are so right when you stated "It's hard to see progress when you're in the trenches every day. Everything kind of muddles together eh?"
That sums it up for me.
Posted by unsure445 (Member # 15962) on :
They have helped me. I felt I had plateaued on antibiotics and I asked my doctor if I could switch to just Byron White. I have continued to improve ever since.
I was not symptom free from Babesia when I switched over (almost though) and A-Bab cleared up the remaining bugs.
I have had a few lyme symptoms creep back in the last few weeks but not enough to make me want to go back on antibiotics.
So I give them the thumbs up!
Posted by FYRECRACKER (Member # 28568) on :
pooldog. as long as you are herxing, stay at that dosage. it's possible that you just have more lyme bacteria to clear out than canefan. all of our infections and immune systems differ. who knows why what works for one person is rendered ineffective for someone else.
i wonder though, if you are really having bad herxes, maybe stop the drops for a week to see if you get better? just an idea i dont know if its a good one.
ask your body what it wants to do (and try not to listen to the bugs!)
me personally, i would try the AL ABAB and ABART separate from each other just because that way I would maybe be able to differentiate among symptoms.
then again...i must be having bart flares because today i have a low grade fever and very sad/lethargic. i was fine this morning though. I suppose it could just be my monthly lyme flare or babs because it is getting closer to my period.
perhaps if one uses all three at the same time you won't get one of the infections flaring because they're the big boys on the block?
what a mess!
Posted by Healing in Santa Cruz (Member # 7798) on :
I have been taking A-BART,A-BABS for around a yr. Very strong medicine. Have not gotten over 13 drops of each. I just started AV antiviral for the Powassan Virus.
I am having some positive shifts. If u read ALL the info on the www.bioresourceinc.com you will see how they work.
For peeps not feeling a herx u may not be working on the rt bug. They r all in layers and there r vials to be tested on to see whats on top.My Md got the vials at the resent seminar in Ca.
I have been disabled for 30 yrs. Have not done abx for any of this. Took me 23 yrs to get dxed.I was cdc positive for lyme and its way down now.It was down before these herbals
but with bee venom shots,Buhner etc.
When I up my doses of A-BART especially, I have big time bart symptoms. I then back down and ramp up again.
I am very impressed with the herbals.Also for those not getting better be sure ur tested for KPU/HPU Pyrroluria. I only got sicker with all treatments with no let up from herxes until I did
KPU protocol with CORE which I am still on.
Also I started Allergy research ACETYL-GLUTATHIONE(very expensive) but has been a blessing to me. Ask your docs about it. Also Boswellia AKBA can help also.
There is an article on the Glutathione in the latest June Townsend letter.
Posted by dan67 (Member # 20344) on :
I have two observations:
1) I think if one plateaus on pharmaceuticals, herbals can be good, and visa versa. They seem to hit the bacteria differently and it could be good to alternate.
2) In my experience, Babesia was highly responsive to herbals, whereas with bart, I herxed, but didn't get much better until I took pharmaceuticals.
Just my 2 cents.
Also.......with Lyme, Babs, I think one can get away with doing lots of herbals and backing off on pharmaceuticals (at least I did). But with Bart, I didn't get anywhere at all without Rifampin. Rifampin was like the nuclear weapon. And the herxes really weren't that terrible, but the improvement was sustained and more reliable. But I'm only on Rifampin a few weeks now, will see what happens down the road.
Posted by Healing in Santa Cruz (Member # 7798) on :
Hope u will share how it go's. Posted by skies (Member # 28064) on :
I am currently using Byron White A-FNG (for fungus, candida problems). I'm only on one drop per day so far, and I think it already made a slight difference (for the better). I'm going to stick with it and see how I do!
Posted by Igor's mom (Member # 29191) on :
Thanks for everyone's input.
Posted by norcal (Member # 29829) on :
I have gotten better using BW a bab. It was not pretty but I got through it and now I am treating lyme with BW AL complex . Not too many symptoms left!
Posted by Igor's mom (Member # 29191) on :
Norcal, How long were you on it and did you get to the 25 drops bid? What do you mean by not pretty? Can you elaborate? I am now at 16 drops BIDand feeling pretty nauseous, chilled, fatigued, not sure if its a herx, a babs flare, or a lyme or bart flare for that matter. I am glad that your symptoms are getting fewer!
Posted by norcal (Member # 29829) on :
Igors mom, I have been on a bab since last Aug. I have not seen my LLMD for 9 weeks and I suspect he will take me off babs treatment next time. It took me about 1.5 months to get up to 25 drops x 2. I am now up to 30 2x a day. and have been for a couple months. What I meant was the journey during the initial stages of treatment were very rough. I went into major confusion,paranoia,depression,anxiety,depersonalization. the physical was chills, air hunger,weak legs, vertigo It took about 5 months to get past all that,not pretty.
Posted by dan67 (Member # 20344) on :
norcal, can you give us some more background? did the a bab work as good or better than pharmaceutical meds? or have you tried meds? Just trying to get a feel for your situation. Thanks.
Posted by norcal (Member # 29829) on :
Dan67 I had given mepron,malarone tindamax clrithrymycin all a go the previous year. I was in treatment with ABX a total of three months when my liver enzymes went south. I gave it a 4 month rest and that is when I picked it up with abab. I would have to say that the response I got from pharaceuticals was not as dramatic as the herbs. The herbs are an adjustable dose ,which to me is key when trying to balance herx with moving forward in your recovery
Posted by dan67 (Member # 20344) on :
norcal, so you would say the herbs were better not just in terms of herx but also improvement? Thanks.
Posted by norcal (Member # 29829) on :
For me ,yes.
Posted by dan67 (Member # 20344) on :
Wow, that's so encouraging, norcal. After I finish a round of drugs I'm ready to plow into the herbs and its very helpful to know they at least work for some.
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