Gas/Bloating Grinding teeth Caughing at night Weight loss/gain Obesity/under-weight Lethargy/fatigue Sexual dysfunction Migraine headache Vision problems Brain fogs Craving for foods Anemia/eosinophilia Bruxism Allergies Suppress allergies Immune deficiency syndrome Mental/behavior problems Constipation/diarrhea Psoriasis/eczema Food allergies Knee/hip pain Abdominal pain IBS/Colitis Waking up at night/bed wetting Night sweats Rectal itching Muscle/joint pain Cyst/tumor
Don't wait - treat!
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Great list and thanks for posting this GiGi. I am going to add nausea to this list.
Gael
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
Umm...sounds like every symptom known to man. lol.
Posted by sandyk (Member # 17959) on :
Can someone please explain this parasite thing to me? How do you know if you have them? Are there any tests that can be done to detect?
My husband has recently developed a few of the symptoms above besides all the other typical lyme symptoms, which has me thinking possibly parasites.
Posted by philly78 (Member # 31069) on :
I've heard the stool tests are unreliable. I was actually told by my chiropractor that I had a problem with parasites. This was done through some type of muscle testing and his use of a laser.
I guess you could try a course of anti parasitic herbs or one of the anti parasite products. Others may be able to suggest what to do. I'm new to parasites and don't know much! LOL!
Gael and Gigi seem to be the experts so hopefully they will come along with some advice.
Posted by skies (Member # 28064) on :
Gael and/or Gigi--
I think I've read in your other posts that when treating parasites, yeast can come out of hiding. Is this correct? I started some parasite meds a while back and after a couple weeks into them, the candida problem that I thought was somewhat in check previously flared up again quite badly!
Any input/advice on this would be appreciated!! Thanks!
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
skies,
If you only did 30 days of a parasite cleanse, that's not nearly enough. You should stay on the herbs for at least 6 mos or more.
You can also do a candida cleanse, but most of the antiparasitic herbs have antufungal properties as well. I also take coconut oil and drink kefir to replace the good flora.
Sandy,
There is lots of info here on lymenet about parasites that you can read about. You can also google parasites AND visit the Humaworm.com site for lots of info.
Gael
Posted by skies (Member # 28064) on :
Thanks Gael--
This treatment is with prescription medication. I will likely be finishing the round of pyrantel pamoate and ivermectin shortly. Then I will probably be on to another med.
Posted by nhlymeguy (Member # 30783) on :
I am considering doing a parasite cleanse...it's hard to say if I have them or not...I clearly have some of those symptoms, but they could be from Lyme, co-infections, yeast...I don't know how to tell...anyway, what do you recommend for treating them?...and is it safe with antibiotics.
Posted by annier1071 (Member # 28977) on :
Gael I looked up the humaworm as you suggested to me and it is very interesing wtih teh tingling in hands and feet.
I see you say to take it for 6 months. I called them and they said only 30 days and then you wait 90 days before using it again? Did they give you that information or you just foudn that it helped better.
Just hoping there is no herx with his one. I am just too tired and sick to deal with anymore bad days, hours and minutes.
Posted by karenl (Member # 17753) on :
I add severe throbbing and pounding to the list. I think vibrating was mentioned.
Annier, if you go extremely slow there is no herx.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
annier,
Humaworm for whatever reason says to only treat for thirty days. From my personal experience this is incorrect, at least for thos with Lyme disease. Parastroy is much stronger and suggests treating for 6 mos.
I have been doing antiparasitics for over 5 yrs with great success. The KEY is staying on them and pushing forward. The dieoff can be difficult, but you have to push through it, in order to get rid of the infection.
Gael
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
oh my I've got all those and more
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
It takes a keen brain to say this: Dr. K. said it to me in 1998 and he published it in 2004:
"Common Co-Infections
The list of significant co-infections is limited: roundworms, tapeworms, threadworms, toxoplasmosis, giardia and amoebas, clostridia, the herpes virus family, parvovirus B 19, active measles (in the small intestine), leptospirosis, chronic strep infections and their mutations, Babesia, Brucella, Ehrlichiosis, Bartonella, mycoplasma, Rickettsia, Bartonella and a few others.
Molds and fungi are always part of the picture.
The pattern of co-infections and the other preexisting conditions such as mercury toxicity determine the symptom-picture but not the severity.
What Influences the Severity of Your Symptoms?
The severity of symptoms correlates most closely with the overall summation or body burden of coexisting conditions and with the genetically determined ability to excrete neurotoxins.
The genes coding for the glutathione S-transferase and for the different alleles of apolipoprotein E (E2, E3 and E4) play a major role. E2 can carry twice as much sulfhydryl-affinitive toxins (such as mercury and lead) out of the cell as the E3 subtype, E4 carries out none.
Trouble in the methylation, acetylation and sulfation pathways is also common. Other factors, such as diet and food allergies, past toxic and electromagnetic exposures, emotional factors and unhealed ancestral trauma, scar interference fields and occlusal jaw and bite problems are also important (6).
The severity of symptoms is not related to the number of spirochetes in your system but rather to your individual immune response.
Taking all of the above into account, we do not distinguish between people who have the Bb infection and those who don�t. Instead, we distinguish between people who have Lyme disease and those who do not.
a) Patients who are infected with any type of Borrelia and are symptomatic have �Lyme� disease
b) Healthy people who are not symptomatic often already have a spirochete infection as well. They may or may not be disasters waiting to happen. But they do not (yet) have Lyme �disease�.
Most often several of the �co-infections� are already present prior to the infection with Bb or other spirochetes.
In treatment we focus on exploring the difference between symptomatic and asymptomatic carriers. We treat what the symptomatic person is missing (such as enough magnesium in the diet) or has extra (such as mercury) compared to the asymptomatic one.
The group suffering most is newborn babies and young children, who rarely are diagnosed correctly and therefore are not treated appropriately. They often carry the labels ADHD, autistic spectrum disorder (ASD), seizure disorder and others. Detoxifying these kids with transdermal DMPS and treating the chronic infections is often curative."
Detoxification is the major chore. And once you do, spirochetes don't have much chance.
Posted by shadesofpurple (Member # 23923) on :
Just wondering how Kroeger wormwood rates in your opinion?
Have you ever used that? If so how does it compare to Humaworm & Parastroy? I read a post earlier that stated Parastroy was stronger.
Did you start with that ? or ease into it and hop between products etc? I am curious, I just started Kroeger Wormwood combination.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
I have used Humaworm. Hanna Kroeger wormwood combo, Hulda Clark, Paragone and Parastroy. I think they all helped, but found the Parastroy to work the best along with salt/c. Persistence is Key. One month is not even close to being enough.
Gael
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Eradicating parasites and their offspring is not possible with these herbs. They help, but they do not do a complete job. Pharmaceuticals as I had posted them several times are needed. There is no way around it unless you want to be doing this for years. And they multiply by the thousands every full moon and symptoms increase during lunar cycle. Dr.K. has good reason why he recommends pharma for this --- not something he does very lightly, and it is not a very easy task even with pharmas. Hopefully, as usual, he will probably come around with something that will be easier....
This from a recent Dr.K. conference where parasites were discussed for several hours:
"Why parasite problems are overlooked?
We assume that parasites are only in 3rd world countries.
Worldwide global migration and change in their diet.
Global climate changes.
Stool analysis for parasites is simply not a reliable test.
Most parasites are outside of the intestinal tract.
Co-factors from environmental pollutions and poor minerals and nutritional status.
Animals (dogs, cats and other pets) at home.
Parasites have complex life cycle and the ecosystem.
Parasites are deceptive, adaptive and difficult to eradicate."
(from a recent seminar where parasites were discussed for many hours!)
Take care.
[ 07-13-2011, 09:51 PM: Message edited by: GiGi ]
Posted by shadesofpurple (Member # 23923) on :
"Pharmaceuticals as I had posted them several times are needed"
What pharmaceudicals are you refering to? I must have missed that thread.
with herbs and salt/c. I also added lots of fresh cloves to my coffee and got rid of thousands of eggs.
The herbs might work slower, but I don't agree that pharmacueticals are the only way to get rid of parasites.
Before big pharma came along, people did rely more on natural remedies. Herbs may take longer, but they are not as hard on the liver. Not everyone has a doctor that will prescribe pharma scripts of antiparasitics that is the length of time Dr. K. does.
We need to keep ALL options open and not close other avenues to healing.
Gael
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
P. S.
The parasites that are outside of the G. I, track are totally affected by the salt. The salt is very effective in flooding the tissues and organs and flushing out the parasites.
They can't stand it and shrivel up and dry out through osmosis, or try escaping thru other orfices. There is more than one way to skin a cat so to speak.
Gael
Posted by James1979 (Member # 31926) on :
Someone mentioned above that the parasites multiply rapidly during a full moon.
Are there any additional precautions/therapies that should be used during a full moon in order to combat/slow down this multiplication?
I've been feeling fine recently, but yesterday I started getting very sick again, and it's strange that it's the day before the full moon...
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
James,
The full moon is when they procreate, so staying on antiparasitics during this time is very important. You can hit them with some salt and water and some extra fresh cloves as well.
Staying on maintenance antiparasitics is extremely important even if you feel completely well. If just one egg is left, the cycle will start all over, not to mention the parasites we pick up through the yr by other sources, such as food,and eating out in restaurants.
Gael
Posted by James1979 (Member # 31926) on :
Gael, thanks a lot for the info.
Does it work if I just take extra sea salt during the day? For example, I have a lot of fresh homemade sauerkraut juice which is very salty with sea salt... Would it be beneficial to drink that frequently?
Coincidentally (before I heard from you that salt is beneficial) I drank 2 cups of the sauerkraut juice for the first time today, and I was wondering if I was damaging myself from the saltiness.
Thanks for the help! Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
James,
The lactic acid in the sauerkraut is very benefical for establishing good bacteria. The salt will kill the parasites and not affect the good bacteria. So, yes it is very beneficial. Are you taking any antiparasitics at this time.?
Gael
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
do antifungals or say humaworm destroy probiotics? can you still take them?
Posted by James1979 (Member # 31926) on :
Gael - yeah, I'm taking Paraclear and Fungal Defense and Candida Cleanse (I think that's what they're called). Also I take caprylic acid, olive leaf complex, enzymes that break down bad yeasts, etc. TONS of stuff!
I like Randi's question, and I'm looking forward to the answer as well.
Thanks for all your help! Posted by James1979 (Member # 31926) on :
Is there any danger in taking too much salt? How do you know if you've gone over the limit?
I imagine that people with high blood pressure and other circulatory problems might have to be careful... but if someone doesn't have those problems, is it pretty much safe?
Posted by shadesofpurple (Member # 23923) on :
How much salt do you add to the water? teaspoon? tablespoon etc ?
I find lots of times i crave salty foods.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
The antifungal and antiparasitic herbs will kill the good bacteria, so you have to replace it like you would when taking abx. Taking Sea salt is much different than table salt.
Sea salt contains between 60-80 natural minerals and is almost identical to our own natural saline. It is bouyant and passes thru the digestive track and bypasses the kidneys.
From the research I have done, high blood pressure can be a result of an infection such as Lyme. You can do a search by googling sea salt benefits and precautions.
Some people are salt sensitive. I started with 1/4 tsp sea salt and 1/4 tsp of vit C powder in a large glass of water.
I ramped up slowly accorsding to when the herxing would stop. I never had any swelling or problems while taking salt/c and my b/p has run a steady 120/70 or lower.
Sea salt and vitamin C are also VERY beneficial for adrenal and immune support. A lot of us are salt deficient through sweating etc.
You can visit lymestrategies for more insight because these are the people taking salt/c as well as other alternatives.
Have to go out to Whole Foods now. Will check back later. Hope everyone has a pleasant day.
Gael
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Just wanted to add that I went up to 20 gms of sea salt a day, divided into 4 equal doses. I tsp equals 5,000 mg.
Not everyone goes up that high and some people stay at lower doses. It took me several months to ramp up that high. The key is to ramp up slowly and drink lots of water to circulate the salt. Always check with your doctor.
BTW, I am only 5'3" and weigh approx 130lbs. The person who developed the protocol at the lymephotos site suggests you take the salt according to body weight.
I think it was 1gm for every 10lbs. Double check because I am not sure, and check with lymestrategies. I am not pushing salt/c, just letting you know what worked for me.
Gael
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
Why do you need long term treatment? I worm my horses twice a year and the cat's when I see signs of worms because they eat mice. They can reinfect themselves.
I treated myself with ivermectrin several months ago, and felt absolutely nothing and saw nothing. The signs I think of with worms are bloated belly, itchy rectum, dry brittle hair, sallow skin or worms in stools.
I had a friend whose children were infected with round worms playing in dirt at a dairy. When they were wormed just one time she said it was a mess.
As ivermectrin is a powerful wormer, what else could it miss? I also do not flare or have any symptoms during full moons any more. This full moon was a very good period.
I am also feeling a lot better. So is it safe to assume I am worm free? The whole idea is disgusting.
Posted by FYRECRACKER (Member # 28568) on :
Good question Nefferdun.
I took 2 weeks of Mebendazole and Albendazole for Trichinella. I never saw anything in my stools.
I just started parastroy and am having very noticeable herxing and die-off.
The only other time I tried Parastroy was before the pharma meds I listed above. I never had any die-off symptoms. Perhaps they were untouchable at the time, hiding in sludge along the colon wall.
I take bentonite and psyllium every morning to keep that sludge consistently peeled away.
I actually had tested positive via a stool test for Trichinella and equivocal for roundworm. So... I'm treating until I'm healthy I don't care how long it takes.
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
gael,
You said 1 tsp = 5000mg
1/4 tsp of REAL SALT for me = 500mg
So 1 tsp would only be 2000mg
Chaps has also stated 1/4 tsp for him is 1g
Hmmm
Posted by FYRECRACKER (Member # 28568) on :
I always thought 1/4 tsp = 1 gram
I can't remember
Posted by James1979 (Member # 31926) on :
What is "real salt"? Can you please specify between sea salt and table salt (sodium chloride)?
Thanks
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
That's the amount I read somewhere on line. I just looked on my Vitamin C powder bottle, and it reads 1/3 tsp equals 1.31 gams. I also remember reading on another Vitamin C powder bottle(I think it was ny Natrol) that 1/4 tsp equals 1.25 gms.
Cane, where did you get the figure of 1/4 tsp = 500mg? I was never a math genius,but scored high in judgement and accuracy. I can accurately eyeball 1/4 tsp of sea salt and vitamin C and that's what works for me.
Nefferdun,
If your just referring to a roundworm infection then that probably wouldn't be that hard to eradicate.
However, with Lyme disease,because of the possible co-infection of Filarial Worms, that is a different ball game.
Also, the other coinfections of hookworms, threadworms and pinworms + other parasites, usually are found in people with supressed immune systems, and long term tx is needed.
Gael
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
Real Salt is the brand of sea salt I buy (and I think what gael buys)
Gael, Read your bottle of salt or the package it came in. Most are serving size: 1/4 tsp = 500mg
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Cane,
My Real Salt says that 1/4 tsp = 1.41 gms. 1gm = 1,000mg.
James,
Real Salt is a brand of sea salt which is in it's natural form and not processed. Table salt is devoid of all minerals and is processed. It also contains silicon dioxide to make it pour more easily. Table salt is poison!
Gael
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
Ok 1/4 tsp is 1.4 g of Real Salt
The sodium content of 1/4 tsp is 530mg
Does that matter gael? or is it just how much salt (not sodium) is we mix with Vit C?
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Cane,
Just realized that my Real Salt is fine grain. Did you get a coarser salt and therefore the measurement could be different?
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
Mine is fine grain too.
I edited my post above. See what you think.
530 mg SODIUM is in 1/4 tsp of what we take
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Oh, okay, that makes sense. Sodium is salt, so you're correct with the amount of 530mg. The balance of weight must be the minerals. If 1/4 tsp works and makes you herx, then okay.
Just ramp up according to how you feel.That's what I do. Does that make sense?
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
Gael,
You said that you have been doing this for 5 years. Do you think that you will be stopping at some point? If it takes that long to work it sounds similar to methods that other people are using. How much longer do you think you will be treating this before you allow your immune system to take over?
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
Gotcha Gael, thanks
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Haley,
It actually started working at the six month mark when all those parasites pictured on lymephotos came pouring out of me.
I had tons of other parasites exiting as well. I am sure I had the Filarial worm co-infection also. I have had lyme and co for over 30 yrs, so 5 yrs to heal is nothing in the bigger scheme of things.
I was also dealing with bart, babs and erlichia as well as Lyme. The combo seems to be working on eradicating all of the infections and I am closer to remission every day.
I will always do maintenance doses of salt/c and herbs so I don't relapse.
Gael
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
Agree with maintenance dosages of antiparasitic herbs.
once over Lyme and Cos I will also be on long term parasite herbs. (taking 1-2 months break each year)
2 colon therapists I've been to who've both beaten Lyme do the same thing.
they told me they will never stop treating parasites.
Posted by shadesofpurple (Member # 23923) on :
Gael, It took six months before you saw anything?
When u first started were u on the salt/c or just the herbs?
I crave salt sometimes & have wondered if that is a normal thing? Especially since I am in the pulsing stage of my abx. I have heard salt cravings can kick in when adredenals are fatigued, so i just give in to the salt craving usually...
I just started the Kroeger, so I am at the beginning & am not sure if Kroeger is 'enough" but i guess it is a start.
Feel free to PM me if you have any advice. Thx
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
That rang a bell Gael. I understand now.
Our immune system, when healthy, keeps worms at bay. For instance, mammals are often infected with round worms at birth because the eggs stay in the mother's blood and are transferred through the placenta. The adult mammal become immune to the worm eggs so they won't hatch, but when a female becomes pregnant the babies are infected and their immune systems do not know how to respond. Most mammals become immune to round worms even if they are not wormed.
With a compromised immune system we can no longer eliminate worms. I thought you meant all of these things were transferred through the same tick bite but we could be exposed to them anywhere.
One of the theories about type one diabetes is that living in such a "clean" environment does not train our immune system to respond appropriately, and it goes haywire attacking itself. So they theorize it is a good thing to be exposed to these things. I have exposure, that is for sure - lots of animals.
But I wasn't thinking myself having round worms. We do not have to worry about hookworms here because no one ever goes barefoot. Pinworms would cause itchy rectum (horses scratch their tails off). I will investigate filial worm and threadworms.
Sure hope I am right this ONE time and do not have these infections as well! I hope my immune system can be strong in one area even though it is weakened in another. Otherwise this would be more like AIDS. We would succumb to everything, even the common cold.
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
so you really think that since i had those pinworms, you know the little white ones that kids have after you wipe), as a child, that i could have parasites now?
have to admit, my mom treated them with everything she could think of.
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
Gael,
One reason you are to only use Humaworm for 30 days and then take a break from it is that you can become allergic to the herbs.
I took ginger when on antibiotics for a full year to settle my stomch and became allergic to it. After the bionic and AI I am no longer allergic to it.
However, you can do other herbs inbetween rounds of Humaworm--such as Enula.
Hiker53
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks for all the great info. There are parasites that one might not notice in a bowel movement. We can probably get reinfected via many sources these days.
I think it's good to continue with the herbs as a regular thing. I'm taking a break now. I did get a thrush flare up. I think it might be from an air conditioning unit that is in my place. I smell mold when I turn it on & I haven't had a problem with candida in quite some time.
It may be from the parasite die-off but I've been treating them for about 2 years now. It probably would have happened sooner if it was parasite related.
Anyway - I think it's good to continue with the herbs. Not everyone can afford the drugs & they do have side effects. I'm feeling SO much better! I haven't needed to take pain meds for a few months now outside of 2 Excedrins for a headache. I was ill for 15-16 years...! It's a big deal.
Also, there are worms that live in the lungs that can cause CFS - Cryptostrongylus Pulmoni. There are no tests for these worms - so, I think it's a good idea to do an anti-parasite protocol.
I dowse everything & I have been getting a "no" for salt/c. I have been using diatomateous earth & boron, instead, with the Parastroy. You have to add it slowly & ramp it up over time. Do not take a full dose when you are just starting off. In my case, it made me very ill at first.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
PS - I never got flare ups during the full moon - so, everyone is different.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
FYI - A couple of articles I found today-
Dangerous Lung Worms Found in People Who Eat Raw Crayfish
The half-inch, oval-shaped parasitic worms at the root of the infection primarily travel from the intestine to the lungs. They also can migrate to the brain, causing severe headaches or vision problems, or under the skin, appearing as small, moving nodules.
Some of the patients had been in and out of the hospital for months as physicians tried to diagnose their mysterious illness and treat their symptoms, which also included a buildup of fluid around the lungs and around the heart. One patient even had his gallbladder removed, to no avail.
"Some of these invasive procedures could have been avoided if the patients had received a prompt diagnosis," says Michael Lane, MD, an infectious diseases fellow at the School of Medicine who treated some of the patients. "We hope more doctors will now have this infection on their radar screens for patients with an unexplained lingering fever, cough and fatigue."
Since the 1980s, a cheap drug, praziquantel has been widely distributed to areas where the disease is common. However, although the drug is effective, it does not prevent a person becoming re-infected. There is also a risk that the parasites will become resistant to it.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
More - about hidden lungworm -
Chronic fatigue syndrome: advances in epidemiologic, clinical, and basic science research
The reason Humaworm suggests a 30 day break is because they say that the parasites build up a resistance, not because you might become allergic to the herbs.
I am sure for some sensitive individuals that could be true, but coincidentaly, allergies is on the symptom list for parasites.
I personaly haven't found that the parasites become resistant to the herbs, probably because it is poison to them.
I am all for taking breaks and changing protocols when needed, but not for doing nothing because the eggs the parasites have layed keep hatching. I took a break from the herbs for over a year and was just doing salt/c.
I think I would have been in remission musch sooner if I hadn't done that. Everyone should listen to their body, follow their own intuition and use common sense. This is such a virulent disease, and we don't have that many weapons to fight it.
Wishing much healing to everyone suffering, whatever path you choose to heal.
Gael
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Many parasites are microscopic in size and you will never see them exiting. Many live intracellularly!
I have never seen anything come out of me and since I am nearing ancient 80, I am sure I have had a few of these critters.
Explore the Mimosa (Ayush) that is available for parasites. It is available in bulk and maybe you can share the minimum with someone to lower cost
Consider taking a morning tongue scraping and make a homeopathic out of it. I have posted the process of making it that I learned from Dr.K. It is simple and you can include just about anything around your house, including molds and house dust from your vacuum cleaner. You would be amazed. If you google, the process of making the homeo per Dr.K. is called "H7". If you can't find it, let me know, and I will post it. That way you are assured that you have most of the stuff that bothers you. There are many ways to .......
Take care.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
GiGi, I have been googling, but can't find it under H7. I did find Ayush (ayurvedic herbs) Not sure what the Mimosa would be. Would appreciate it if you would post the process.
Are you saying this is another way to eradicate parasites?
Thanks so much.
Gael
Posted by Mindy159 (Member # 31149) on :
I recently watched CALDA's/Burrascano's new DVD "Putting Lyme Behind You" and he said that a dr. in CT found nematodes in 3/4 of his patients from MA.
Does anyone know if Humaworm gets rid of them?
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hard to believe that Dr. Burrascano is just waking up to the fact that Filarial Worms are being found in ticks. (no disrespect meant to Dr B)
The frustrating part is that years ago, Willy Burgdorfer found Adult Filarial Worms in the ticks he dissected, and as an aside found spirochestes.
Everyone in the medical community jumped all over making spirochetes a major cause of Lyme Complex and totaly ignored the Filarial Worm aspect.
I discovered this devastating co-infection on my own after 30 yrs of suffering. Abx alone will not eradicate this infection and could be the reason many are chronically ill.
Could be why the IDSA says chronic Lyme doesn't exist. They are also guilty of overlooking this infection.
Gael
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Dr. B., as he publicly announced, was facing the "C" word, now in remission. I am glad that the good doctors are sharing time in think tanks.
Take care.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I don't know why parasites are such a big deal for the medical community. They act as if people don't travel or food isn't shipped from endemic countries.
Dogs, cats & farm animals get treated more effectively than people do. Makes me wonder....
Could you post the homeopathic remedy instructions again, GiGi...? Just curious. I tried some generic Listerine & it seems to be helping the thrush. I was trying baking soda & hydrogen peroxide, too.
Listerine has eucalyptus & thyme - which are both very good for killing yeast. I'm taking Yeast Cleanse by Solaray but it's hard to knock out a yeast infection. I try to keep the AC off but it gets pretty hot here.
Posted by polliwog (Member # 32932) on :
I took high doses of Ivermectin four times per day for two weeks for my parasites. Almost immediately my hips were almost pain-free, and I felt like someone had gone around my body with an oil can and lubricated all my joints. It was AWESOME!!! But within a few weeks of the completion of my course of drugs, all the pain returned. What do I do now?
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
GiGi,
Funny you mention the tongue scraping.
I can't remember which General... but in WWI a certain General (with a homeopathic background) had his soldiers scrape their tongues every morning into a cup and dilute the solution 5 times before drinking.
They were fighting off trench foot fever (also known as Bartonella Quintana)
As a result of this practice this General lost far fewer men than their opposing armies (they went on to win their wars/battles)
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Canefan, That was Korsakov, the Russian general. He became the famous homeopath alongside Hahnemann using the initial K with his potencies. I have many K potencies in my test kits.
What do you think was Napoleon's cause of death? He probably had it for years, but the final blow came when he was defeated and hidden away on some island. I don't think real cause of death has ever been determined.
Take care.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Polliwog, the protocol that is being used successfully consists of several different meds. I had them posted and I was threatened in a very nasty way with being banned from posting if I ever repeat another protocol. So you will have to fnd the rest of it. The purpose of the protocol was to address in a timely manner the many different parasites, types and sizes and locations in the manner it has proven to be successful. Several doctors and researchers have worked years on getting this protocol together. But LN nixes it.
(There are many detailed protocols listed in the library here on LN that work or don't work; why my post?)
Sparkle and Gael, I will post the H7 when I have time to type it up.
P.S. Canefan, note - even Napoleon and Korsakoff get credit for this......
If the above link does not work, here is the text of page 32:
The H-Dilution Method (J.Monro, B.Shelton,T.Randolph, Reinhold Voll, Bill Rea, Napoleon and Korsakoff)
How to make an auto-nosode and/or energetic supplement (works for any condition that involves derailed immune responses, genetic glitches, malabsorption and other metabolic problems): To make energetic supplement, start with drops or ground-up supplement (i.e. 1 drop methyl B12). To make immune tonic, collect specimen (best is tongue scrapings). Stretch with just enough clean water so it�s a liquid. This is your H0 mother tincture. Dilute with 5 parts water (5:1) and secuss 50 times. This is your H1. Empty bottle to 1/6th of previous content, fill with water. Secuss 50 times. This is your H2 Continue until H-4. Use Matrix Elektrolyte for next step -instead of water � this sterilizes the content osmotically. This is your H5. Next step with water again. This is your H6, which will be your main treatment for months. Fill into a tincture bottle. Keep this bottle wrapped in alu foil away from electric equipment in a cool place H7: to ease into the treatment, take a small amount of H-6 into a second small tincture bottle, add 5 parts water and secuss. This is now an H7. Give 7 drops 4-6 times per day under the tongue. After 1 week � if there is no Herx, discard and use the H6 bottle. Redo this process every 6 weeks. Stay with H6, unless you use ART to fine tune the final dilution H6: most supplements need to be given only energetically, not in true biochemical form. This allows for better absorbtion and utilization of this nutrient. Most patients do really well with the H6 General rule, if energetic testing is not available: if you start with a toxin or allergen, use H7 (in the most sensitive persons a higher dilution may be needed initially). If you start with something good (supplement, medication), use H6. For rapid initiation of detox, use LBR � laser biofield restructuring
Saturday, 11 September 2010
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
quote:Originally posted by glm1111: The herbs might work slower, but I don't agree that pharmacueticals are the only way to get rid of parasites.
Gael
I agree, Gael. I had a large tapeworm and many roundworms expelled. Then I ART tested (by a person trained by Dr. K) for a fish worm (askaris??). Now I test free of all parasites.
I treated many months with herbs. Humaworm four times, but other things in between rounds of Humaworm. I never used Parastroy because I hadn't heard of it until recently.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Thanks for posting the protocol GiGi, appreciate it.
Gael
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
GiGi,
And the Russians were fighting the French, right?
Didn't the French underestimate how cold the Russian winters were?
Posted by NanaDubo (Member # 14794) on :
Regarding ART testing and parasites - ART is testing for the moment and could be completely different a day, week or month later.
I did not have parasites show up with ART for over a year. After a long time of Allergie-Immun, lowering the metal burden, etc., then they showed up.
Posted by All4twc (Member # 31469) on :
Ok. So I have read all posts and am confused. This creepy crawly feeling at base of my neck, can it be parasites? I haven't been to LLMD yet so can i use the salt/c anyway? How will I know if I do have parasites and that the solution is working?
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
Has anyone else here did this and cured themselves?
P.S. Canefan, note - even Napoleon and Korsakoff get credit for this......
If the above link does not work, here is the text of page 32:
The H-Dilution Method (J.Monro, B.Shelton,T.Randolph, Reinhold Voll, Bill Rea, Napoleon and Korsakoff)
How to make an auto-nosode and/or energetic supplement (works for any condition that involves derailed immune responses, genetic glitches, malabsorption and other metabolic problems): To make energetic supplement, start with drops or ground-up supplement (i.e. 1 drop methyl B12). To make immune tonic, collect specimen (best is tongue scrapings). Stretch with just enough clean water so it�s a liquid. This is your H0 mother tincture. Dilute with 5 parts water (5:1) and secuss 50 times. This is your H1. Empty bottle to 1/6th of previous content, fill with water. Secuss 50 times. This is your H2 Continue until H-4. Use Matrix Elektrolyte for next step -instead of water � this sterilizes the content osmotically. This is your H5. Next step with water again. This is your H6, which will be your main treatment for months. Fill into a tincture bottle. Keep this bottle wrapped in alu foil away from electric equipment in a cool place H7: to ease into the treatment, take a small amount of H-6 into a second small tincture bottle, add 5 parts water and secuss. This is now an H7. Give 7 drops 4-6 times per day under the tongue. After 1 week � if there is no Herx, discard and use the H6 bottle. Redo this process every 6 weeks. Stay with H6, unless you use ART to fine tune the final dilution H6: most supplements need to be given only energetically, not in true biochemical form. This allows for better absorbtion and utilization of this nutrient. Most patients do really well with the H6 General rule, if energetic testing is not available: if you start with a toxin or allergen, use H7 (in the most sensitive persons a higher dilution may be needed initially). If you start with something good (supplement, medication), use H6. For rapid initiation of detox, use LBR � laser biofield restructuring
Saturday, 11 September 2010
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
What does Secuss mean? Not even in the dictionary based on an online search!
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks GiGi. Here's another version (below) - Succuss means you tap/hit the remedy bottle into something. Some people use their hand or you can use a book - like a phone book, Bible (some religious people like to use this), dictionary...
What�s the value of knowing this? It�s immense! If you�re sea sick, you can make a remedy out of sea water; if you�re sick from vacationing in Mexico, you can make a remedy out of the local water that�s probably causing your ills; if the polluted air or pollens in the air are causing your problem, put a saucer of water outside for a few hours or days and let it collect whatever is in the air, and then make a remedy out of it.
The possibilities are endless; in fact, when you�re desperate, and you�ve seemingly tried everything, there�s your own body to make remedies from: your discharges, your urine, your blood�you�re never really without remedies, are you? So now, if you�re ready, here are the directions:
Get a small bottle of spring water (but in an emergency any water will do), the exact amount of water or the size of the bottle is not relevant. I always say a small bottle because small is cheapest. So, an 8 ounce or 12 ounce bottle, let�s say. Pour half the water out (but save the water, don�t pour it down the drain).
Now you have half a bottle of water. Pour in a small amount of what you�re trying to make a remedy of�let�s say for the sake of argument that you want to make �Homeopathic Pepsi Cola�; therefore, your water bottle should now consist of a solution of 90% water and 10% Pepsi�there�s no need to be fussy about your percentages�just guess at what 10% might be.
�Succuss� this solution (pound the bottle into your opposite palm) 40 times and after having done that, get a piece of paper and write down �Pepsi 1X��meaning that you now have Pepsi in the 1X potency, this means you�ve done a one-in-ten dilution with 40 succussions and you�ve done it just once.
Now pour out 90% of this solution�again, no need to be fussy� and refill half way with spring or distilled water, succuss 40 times, and write down �2X� (meaning you�ve now dumped out, refilled, and succussed 40 times, twice).
Now pour out 90% again and refill half way with water again and succuss 40 times again and write down �3X� this time. Keep doing this til you�ve reached either a 6X or a 12X or a 30X�depending on what potency you want. A 6X would have to be taken more often as it�s a lower potency�in a chronic case, two to four times a day; whereas, a 12X would be taken once or twice a day and a 30X as needed�one dose may be enough, depending on what�s wrong.
Now label your bottle (Pepsi 6X) and store in the refrigerator. A sip is a dose. Before each dose, succuss 10 times. When the bottle gets low (when 90% is gone), fill it back up half way with water, succuss 40 times and now you�ll have a 7X; then, resume as before.
If you�re trying to make your remedy from something more solid, like for example, if you want to antidote the side effects of a medicine you�re on, like Penicillin, for example. Empty a penicillin capsule into a small amount of water and let it sit until the water is thoroughly saturated with the substance. Stir the substance a few times.
Now empty it into your water bottle to get the 90% water, 10% substance ratio that we talked about before. Now proceed with �potenization�, the process described above, for making a remedy out of Pepsi.
A brief note on dosing: Let�s say you�ve made a 6X. In an acute, you may have to take a swallow every 15 minutes, taking less and less often as you get better. Always succuss the bottle before dosing. If you should get worse, stop the remedy; an improvement may follow.
If it does, repeat only as needed. If you�re making this remedy for a chronic case, figure on three times a day, but be prepared to take more or less often, depending on how quickly or slowly you improve.
HOW TO PLUS YOUR BOTTLE When your remedy bottle is no longer working, you�ll need to raise the potency. The way to do it is this: 1. Pour out 90% of your bottle. 2. Refill with bottled water half way. 3. Succuss (pound the bottle into your opposite palm) 40 times. 4. Again, for the second time, pour out 90% of the bottle. 5. Refill with water half way. 6. Succuss 40 times. 7. Repeat one more time. You will now have raised the potency by 3 degrees. It should now start working again.
Editor�s Note: Readers are advised not to start making remedies from everything listed in Paragraph 1. The procedure given in this article should be used only under special conditions when an indicated remedy is not available and that also after consulting with your homeopath.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
All4twc- I couldn't take the salt/c - it made me too ill. Generally, if an anti-parasite remedy, drug, herb makes you really ill - it's a good sign that you need to do an anti-parasite protocol & stick with it.
It took me a couple of years before I started feeling better.
Posted by All4twc (Member # 31469) on :
Thank you Sparkle - I will try the salt/c. Where can i find Real Salt or sea salt?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I like Real Salt better than sea salt. You can find them at many health food stores, too. I think the supermarket even carries sea salt these days - depending on where you live.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
All4twc,
If you are going to try salt/c it is important to ramp up slowly. I started with 1/4 tsp of sea salt (Real Salt is sea salt) and 1/4 tsp Esther C powder with bioflavinoids in a large glass of water.
I increased 1/4 tsp at a time according to how I was herxing. You can also do a search on here for salt/c and join lymestrategies for more info because these are the people doing salt/c.
Gael
Posted by All4twc (Member # 31469) on :
I got the sea salt today. I am nervous but desperate. I guess if I herx, then that is a good sign that I am dealing with parasites.
Posted by James1979 (Member # 31926) on :
With the salt/C mixture, is it okay to down it all at once, or do you have to sip it all throughout the day?
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
I like to step into any new protocol lightly to see how I am going to react. I sip my salt/c through out the day, and drink extra water so the salt gets circulated and to make sure I am well hydrated.
Gael
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
re: (Real Salt is sea salt) - yes but it's from an ancient sea in Utah... It tastes different to me than the other kinds of sea salt. - just some technical info. Thanx for the heads up Gael!
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Salt sucks water out of the microbe and makes it shrivel up. Salt also increases the enzyme elastase in our tissues which punches holes into the microbes and parasites and makes them vulnerable to our immune mechanisms.
At some more recent Conference talks by Dr. K. he pointed out that he uses the sodium chloride tablets, not the sea salts or others as he did earlier. Available at Amazon. My hunch is that this stuff is much sharper. After years of Red Salt and others, I cannot tolerate regular salt anymore. It burns my tongue! I always carry my own Real salt in my purse.
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