Does anyone with Bionic or PE1 experience know of any issue regarding using oral antibiotics at the same time?
Posted by 17hens (Member # 23747) on :
For the bionic, no abx and no killing herbs during treatment. I've been in treatment since med April.
Posted by thehause (Member # 21237) on :
Why exactly is it that you cannot do ABX or herbs while treating?
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
In the studies on the Bionic, it was found that those who took abx did not get well.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
In my own experience, you don't need abx to kill. The photon + nosodes do the killing, what you need is a thorough detox protocol.
Dr. W. says that the more chemicals you take, the less the chance of healing. Even other chemicals than abx intephere, in his opinion.
I wouldn't dare take abx during photon treatment, because I got enough trouble to clean my body due to excessive die off, that is non-stop for many days, day AND night.
Besides, you will have loads of toxins being poured off, including heavy metals due to infrared treatment. That is where you should concentrate, not on adding more killers, in my opinion.
It's not comparable to herbs, rife, or any ingested remedy because the effect of these stop at a certain point (in a matter of hours usually).
You got to count the effect of a SINGLE treatment in days or weeks, when you use these infrared devices.
Posted by Fuel1212 (Member # 29312) on :
From what I have read.. photon is nothing like abx, herbals, etc
The photon therapy builds your immune system back up. If you are taking abx, this is defeating the purpose since abx not only kill bugs but can damage our immune systems.
Posted by thehause (Member # 21237) on :
Yes, I am taking Rocephin right now. I am trying to fight off Yeast as well - it really did start to get bad: anal itching, skin itching, gas, fatigue, cough, etc.
i'm thinking i'll need to order a PE1 once my time with Rocephin is done. God i hope it or something works.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I agree with what Fuel and Brussels said.
The Bionic does not kill the bugs. If you use a killing medium (rife, herbs, abx), it's a different method all together, so they don't mix.
Photon therapy is intense. I wouldn't want to add anything else.
Posted by thehause (Member # 21237) on :
six - I thought they had indicated that the Bionic does kill the bacteria.
Does it kill the lyme (or babs or bart) or just build up the immune system?
-Hause
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Ok, it depends on how you want to explain.
Nosodes work in the sense that it informs your body about a SPECIFIC pathogen, in this case borrelia. It says to your body: hey, look at borrelia, don't forget it, attack it IF it causes problem, leave it quiet if it doesn't!
that is the homeopathic principle of nosodes (ingested or photooned).
Now, you can say that a nosode kills, which I usually do (but it is not very correct), or you can say it informs your body about the presence of borrelia, and it is your body that kills. That would be the most correct.
As for infrared, it boosts the message of the nosode. I ingested borrelia nosodes loooong ago before I knew about photon therapy.
While it helped, it didn't kill all borrelia. Only when I added photons years later, my body finally got the full message from the nosode.
This is because a chronically sick body is sick in all senses. It can't digest well, it can't kill well, it can't clean well, it can't function well, so it can't transmit messages well!
The infrared helps boosting the nosodes message to one side, and I believe, it has killing properties on its own (without the nosodes).
I can clearly see that with candida, for example. With or without candida nosodes, I observe the killing effect when I apply pulsed infrared directly to my tummy area or the skin area affected by candida.
I don't have lyme anymore to test it on borrelia, without nosodes, to see if it helps.
The abx will make the candida problem MUCH worse.
The nosodes of borrelia do not affect your intestinal flora as your body is only interested in killing borrelia.
You can also do a candida treatment with infrared, similar protocol, using candida nosodes. That's what I do, as I still have candida coming and going sometimes.
Dr. W. also thinks that the Bionic infrared helps building the immune system back.
I also feel that pulsed infrared (without nosodes) does give me a boost in energy when I need it, but that excess will not give me energy without end. I have the PE1 though.
There's a limit to get energy from infrared, a bit like food. You can eat when you feel weak, and get energy from it, but if you eat more, it doesn't mean you 'll get stronger. Same as with infrared.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
quote:Originally posted by thehause: six - I thought they had indicated that the Bionic does kill the bacteria.
Does it kill the lyme (or babs or bart) or just build up the immune system?
-Hause
Brussels explained it well.
The bacteria does die because the nosode gives the body the information that the bacteria is there, it's like a roadmap. The light gives the body energy and the ability to send the message throughout the immune system so the immune system can do what it's supposed to do.
Posted by thehause (Member # 21237) on :
Well, would Salt/C be an appropriate treatment to use while also using photon treatment?
The Salt/C shouldn't suppress the immune system but could kill bacteria (if it works) while letting the photons do their thing.
Any thoughts?
Posted by Fuel1212 (Member # 29312) on :
Brussels, from what I have been reading (and thats a lot!) You are spot on! Thanks
There are also frequencies involved I believe. These frequencies I read in Insights can turn active Lyme dormant.
Once you turn your immune system on to the hidden criminal(Borrelia) and turn the active infection dormant its like fish in a barrel. With detoxing and your immune system working you can clear your system.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Fuel, I like your explanation about the fish!! I think it describes very well what I couldn't explain for years!!
Thank you!
It is my experience that even without photon treatment, the more you treat and kill infections with whatever means you find, you will activate dormant infections. I always see it as 'peeling the onion' process. One layer goes, another shows up.
The problem I had before photon treatment is that not always our immune systems are ready for the next battle, as we as chronic sufferers, don't have the full energy to our side.
After photons, it gets though easier, IF we keep non stop cleaning. You don't have to worry about killing.
I know it is hard to ACCEPT that (for Thehause), but it is a fact. You can read and re-read all posts about the Bionic and PE1 in the last years.
The killing goes smooth for everyone, many people will stop abx almost definitively after photons, but they go into a search for non-stop cleaning methods.
When you don't clean the die off mess, you can't improve, NO MATTER which protocol you choose. Only few will, but the majority won't.
Dr. W. says that infrared in the 880nm length makes the cells work, so they start dumping intracellular toxins and bacteria out.
As though cells start to function again and do what they were supposed to do but didn't because they couldn't. We all know how much borrelia deceives our immune system and our bodies can't see it to attack it. So borrelia lives wherever they want.
Give cells the information about borrelia, and cells recognize it and send it off, to the lymph, where many of our immune cells are located. It's as simple as that.
the intelligent part of it, in my opinion, is that no matter when the cells are ready to dump borrelia, our body is ready to kill it!!! Because of the nosode information! There is no drug that is as smart as that, as no matter when, there will be killing involved.
I don't know the mechanism that makes the cells put toxins (like heavy metals) out, but I have experienced that several times as I don't have lyme anymore, but I can still feel like a herx when I photoon, for example, some joints. That 'herx' feeling will go away with chlorella.
I don't feel improvement in any joint, because there's no symtpom to improve, but I feel something toxic was released. And it disappears with right binders, usually chlorella and cardamon.
When bacteria and toxins get out of the cells, it gets easier to clean as they are exposed to the lymph, which are connected to the blood vessels.
When I was using only herbs to kill, and new infections came out after I cleaned another infection, I needed to take new herbs. Herbs are like chemicals, in the sense that we need constant intake to do the killing for us (or the immunomodulation).
But with photons + homeopathy, my body is ready for the fight already. And when cells dump borrelia, it is ready to catch it. What is though hard is the cleaning, as my body has no information to clean, only the borrelia nosode information.
Even though infrared gives me a boost of energy, and that can help in both killing and cleaning, I do find that we need a lot of boosting for the clean up part. If we clean, we let the body fully concentrate on the killing, and then healing goes much faster.
This is not only with this infrared protocol, but with any protocol that kills. No cleaning = slow progression. Or even regression!
The rule of thumb is: if after killing you feel any bad symptom, try to treat it until it disappears 100%.
I had air hunger (clearly from herxes as they faded with cleansers), extreme anxiety (also faded with right cleansers), heart palpitations, high blood pressure, diarrhea or the opposite, even tinittus got stronger, pain in my liver or kidney, swelling (like my body was full of water)...
Herx symptoms can vary but any anomaly has to be addressed (except for certain pain, as I couldn't do anything when borrelia was being killed in my joints, it did cause stinging pains). Pain in any organ is an alert!!
Treat it first before continue with killing, as you can even lose an organ like gall bladder or put your liver enzymes so high you got to stop all treatments. Also the kidneys can get permanent damage, they are more delicate and regenerate less than the liver. ------------
To theHause: no worry on the killing side! if you start with photons, you'll understand. Treat parasites before though!!
The salt is good before you start photons. It will get some of the parasites!! But I don't find salt any good even middle term. My own experience with it. I guess Vit C long term is fine if your bowels tolerate it!
Posted by blownelk (Member # 27078) on :
So I'm on abx now and I'm anxiously awaiting my PE-1 (ordered it last week). How long should I wait after abx to start the PE-1?
Do I need to wait for abx to clear out of my system?
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Dr. W said a couple weeks. I ended up being off a little more than a month.
Posted by 17hens (Member # 23747) on :
Dr. W. told me to stop abx at least 2 weeks before treatment and to stop killing herbs at least 3 days before treatment. He did not want me on anything at all, not even probiotics, during his treatment.
Posted by blownelk (Member # 27078) on :
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Treat parasites before though!!