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Posted by Toppers (Member # 20083) on :
 
Is there any traditional literature linking this? Meaning, stuff from the evil western medicine. The ONLY mention I see of this is LLMD associated stuff, guidelines, patient experiences, etc.

How can you tell people your foot pain comes from bartonella if nothing even signifies that it goes?
 
Posted by shazdancer (Member # 1436) on :
 
There is some scientific literature mentioning foot or other pain, but not a lot. Science is only now putting together evidence that Bartonella can be tick borne. (The IDSA guidelines deny this. So who are the "science deniers"?)

Ed Breitschwerdt has been doing seminal work in the field. (No worries about using his name, as he is a veterinarian, not a human clinician.) He has a slideshow mentioning canine and human bartonellosis -- note one slide mentions lameness, and other pain symptoms are noted as well.
http://www.ncagr.gov/oep/oneMedicine/noms/2010/Breitschwerdt_Edward_Bartonellosis_The%20Hidden_Epidemic.pdf

More:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17401716
Chronic vasculitis and polyneuropathy due to infection with Bartonella henselae (2007)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2792845/
Bartonella Species in Blood of Immunocompetent Persons with Animal and Arthropod Contact (2007)

http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/45/12/1535.long
Musculoskeletal Manifestations of Cat Scratch Disease

There are some interesting studies on bartonellosis in HIV patients that indicate that immunocompromised patients have a rougher time with the disease, while typical "cat scratch disease" is a self-limited bout of swollen lymph nodes. There is evidence that Lyme may lower the immune system.

Hope this helps some,

Sharon
www.lymebrary.com
 
Posted by Toppers (Member # 20083) on :
 
shazdancer, thanks for the links, I have bookmarked them.

Interesting studies but it's staggering how little has been researched on the human side of things. I mean, how many people have chronic bartonella? It has to be a lot.
 
Posted by 17hens (Member # 23747) on :
 
Wow! Great info, shaz, thank you!!
 
Posted by lymegal23 (Member # 28573) on :
 
So how did scientists believe bartonella was transmitted? if not thru ticks then what else?

I know bartonella is also called cat scratch fever, so its spread thru cat scratches. but is that the only way they thought it was spread?
 
Posted by kadee (Member # 21199) on :
 
Fleas are regarded as main transmitters.
 
Posted by shazdancer (Member # 1436) on :
 
Yes, fleas were the culrpits spreading Bartonella to cats and cat scratches/bites were thought to be the main culprits in human disease. The disease was thought to be self-limiting in people -- a few swollen lymph nodes, maybe a little fever, and then it would go away on its own.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001614.htm
 


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