I'm very confused about this. I have a new dog (from shelter) and when I took her to the vet to get her shots he suggested a lyme test (and assuming that it comes back negative), that I give her the "Lyme vaccine" for dogs. WTF? How can their be a vaccine for dogs and not for people? It is my understanding that many people who had the lyme vaccine years ago ended up with lyme symptoms and the vaccine was pulled. I'm going to research this but is there anyone out there that has heard of this? I find it utterly baffling...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I wouldn't give this, unless it is purely homeopathic...
Posted by RC1 (Member # 31923) on :
Over the years before I got Lyme, all of my dogs got the vaccine. 2 of the 3 dogs got Lyme anyway. It doesn't work.
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Yes, I heard of the vaccine and our vet recommended it, but I prefer...
Frontline DOES work. However, people can NOT use this!!!
It impacts chloride channels bigtime in an infected TICK.
Heartguard and Frontline/K-9 Advantix are absolutely essential and should be administered routinely by responsible dog owners, IMO.
Yes, I know...not cheap (!), but who wants to risk bringing a dog with a Bb infected tick into the house?
Researchers are working on a new lyme vaccine for people based on a different Osp of Bb's. They are using a brillant "carrier". Very logical.
I posted the info. a long time ago here.
Posted by merrygirl (Member # 12041) on :
some dog vaccines for lyme are actully the vax that.was intended for humans that got pulled. I was a vet tech 12 years and i wouldnt vaccinate my dogs with it. I use advantix. My dog is 15 and never had lyme.
The dog tests are reliable.
Posted by Jamers (Member # 28016) on :
The news channel here just had a story on Frontline and others poisoning animals and making them very sick! It doesn't happen to all animals but watch your dog for any reaction to the medication. Some severe neurological issues were occuring.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Frontline is probably poisoning their blood. Good tick repellent, I agree, but in the long term, possibly a cancer and immune problem for the dog.
For the humans who love Permetrin, yes, Frontline is for their dogs.
I would use other natural oils instead, also as efficient as Frontline, sold in Germany and Switzerland at least...
I think the main reason why I got sick while many around me, that are constantly bitten by ticks don't, has to do with the toxic load. That is probably what messed my immune system and Frontline or Permetrin wouldn't help cleaning my system...
Interesting Brussels. I forgot to mention that there are essential oils that are bug repellents. Citrus, peppermint, and lavender are a few.
My new favorite show "The Walking Dead" says the cast uses peppermint soap to keep the ticks and bugs away while filming in the woods. I found that interesting.
Posted by sickofsick (Member # 29258) on :
Took my dog to the vet yesterday for heartworm and vaccines. Asked about Lyme disease in dogs.
His explanation went something like this: "We use humans for guinea pigs to determine what to do with dogs. Here CDC reports show we have {zero gesture with fingers} so we have no problem with it. If we were in the northeast or Wisconsin, it would be a concern."
Says he does an antibody test kit that combines with heartworm test that is "very accurate." He was very polite, but said Lyme disease is a catch all for people that can't find an explanation for symptoms, most often treated by chiropractors...blah blah blah. I explained that my daughter does have lyme disease contracted here and to expect that he will be seeing it.
Posted by merrygirl (Member # 12041) on :
Good grief. There are dumb vets and dumb mds. Frontline has no permethrin. Its fipronil. I know that advantix does not (supposedly) enter the blood stream. My dog is 15 and he is fine in regards to cancer and such.
Dogs are generally sentinels for people, not the other way around.
The neuro problems are usually from crappy products like hartz. Advantix / permethrin is toxic to cats.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Fipronil is a slow acting poison. When mixed with a bait, it allows the poisoned insect time to return to the colony or harborage.
In cockroaches, the feces and carcass can contain sufficient residual pesticide to kill others in the same nesting site.
In ants, the sharing of the bait among colony members assists in the spreading of the poison throughout the colony. With the cascading effect, the projected kill rate is about 95% in three days for ants and cockroaches.
Toxic baiting with fipronil has also been shown to be extremely effective in locally eliminating German wasps. All colonies within foraging range are completely eliminated within one week.[2]
Wildlife impacts include the following:
Fipronil is highly toxic to fish and aquatic invertebrates. Its tendency to bind to sediments and its low water solubility may reduce the potential hazard to aquatic wildlife.[
Fipronil is toxic to bees and should not be applied to vegetation when bees are foraging.
Fipronil has been found to be highly toxic to upland game birds, but is practically nontoxic to waterfowl and other bird species.
One of the metabolites of fipronil has a higher toxicity to birds than the parent compound itself.
Fipronil is also used as the active ingredient in flea control products for pets, field pest control for corn, golf courses and commercial turf.
It acts by binding to an allosteric site of GABAA receptors and GluCl receptor (of the insect), a form of noncompetitive inhibition.
In animals and humans, fipronil poisoning is characterized by vomiting, agitation, and seizures, and can usually be managed through supportive care and early treatment of seizures; generally benzodiazepine use.
In May 2003, the Direction G�n�rale de l'Alimentation du minist�re de l'Agriculture indicated a case of bee mortality observed in southern France was related to fipronil acute toxicity.
Toxicity was linked to defective seed treatment, which generated dust.
In February 2003, the French Ministry of Agriculture decided to temporarily suspend the sale of BASF crop protection products containing fipronil in France.
The seed treatment involved has since been forbidden.[citation needed] Fipronil was used in a broad spraying to control locusts in Madagascar in a program that began in 1997.
I used Frontline in my cat before I knew about lyme disease.
Since lyme, after all I read about how toxic we are, I stopped using it. And any chemical product that can impact the immune system or the animal health in any way.
Anything you put on the skin will go inside the blood stream.
Or the tick wouldn't die after being attached somewhere else, far from the application point of Frontline!!!
You poison first the dog/ cat, in hopes that its blood will poison the attached ticks.
I don't think any animal deserves that.
Here in Germany /Switzerland, they sell natural oils. They are as efficient. You don't poison the animal, but you add a flavor /smell to it that repels the ticks. As effective and poison-free.