Fed up with abx and relapsing!
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
LOTS of them, I would think! I have one of those! I bought mine AFTER getting well from Lyme. I use it to keep me well.
Posted by manybites (Member # 33750) on :
Unless you treat all coinfections and you reduce the lyme with antibiotics and herbs first than is ok to continue on rife. Otherwise if the coinfections as activated and lyme as well it is too dangerous.I tried it and could not survived a day without antibiotics and herbs.
I only could stay 2 weeks with no antibiotics to do the treatment with bionic in germany.
still that might be hard for the ones that are fighting for their life.
If you are assymtomatic and still functioning than give it a try.BUt does not eradicate the coinfections.
Posted by RZR (Member # 20953) on :
Anyone else beat their coinfections with rife?
Posted by chaps (Member # 25286) on :
From what I've been able to gather, the EMEM machines are pretty useless.
I have a friend who has one. She has a heavy lyme load. She uses her EMEM, and runs frequencies for everything under the sun on a regular basis. She doesn't get much of a herx from it and she has a pretty heavy pathogen load.
I tried out her machine and ran the whole set of Char Boehm's frequencies for EBV (there are 24 of them). I got nothing. No herx and no improvement.
This same friend also has a GB-4000 with the MOPA amp. When she uses it, she herxes big time. So she doesn't use it!!! My friend doesn't like to herx. That's why she's not getting better IMO.
I think that her plan is to reduce the load by using the EMEM until she gets it down to a certain point and then switch to the GB-4000. I don't think it's a good plan, because I don't think that the EMEM penetrates beyond the skin layer. If I were her, I'd use the GB and forget about the DT machine. If she wants lighter herxes, she should just treat for less time.
And you can rule out the EMEM not functioning properly, because she had just finished having it upgraded by DT and it was in full working order.
I have a Doug coil. It kills bugs, believe me. Lyme and co's. I ran a bartonella fx and it gave a nice herx and within about 6 hrs of the tx, I had the red stretch marks (bart streaks) showing up on my back and on my forearms. It works for other coinfections, too.
But here's my opinion and what I've found out about rife machines from using them and talking to other users:
They work in killing bugs, particularly the Doug Coil and the GB-4000 WITH the MOPA amp. Some people have gotten totally well with the Rife machines alone. I think these are the people whose guts were in good enough shape to get the immune system helping out once the bugs load was reduced.
But I think in order to successfully heal from Lyme using Rife, I think lots of adjunct work needs to be done to heal the gut and get rid of the metals, parasites, yeast, fungi, etc. that are there, compromising gut integrity.
In Brian Rosner's book on Rife machines, it talks about how one lady was doing well on Rife, then her Rife machine broke, so she started the Salt/C protocol so that she'd keep killing bugs while she was attempting to get her Rife machine fixed. Low and behold, she got the rest of the way to wellness with the Salt/C. My theory on this is that the Rife decreased the bacterial load as much as it could, then when she did the Salt/C, this cleaned up the parasites and pathogens in the gut and got the immune system back in gear. Once you have the immune system back, you're back in business.
Detox and bile flow are important too. These bugs sequester mercury and possible other metals, and when killed the metals are released, so binders are important, and the detox pathways have to be in good working order.
I'm about to start making my own homemade liposomal vitamin C. Liposomal C is a form of vitamin C that is taken in liquid form and it is absorbed 95% by the body, therefore, with the right dosing, you can get just as much vitamin C into the bloodstream as with an IV, without collapsing your veins. You can also take more gradual, controlled doses as opposed to an IV, where they bombard you with the stuff knowing that you're going to pee some of it out right away and not keep that much in your system for very long. Better to use liposomal C in smaller, but consistent doses and maintain a stable level.
For those who are unaware, there are some people who have healed themselves from Lyme just by getting vitamin C IVs. I have spoken personally to a doctor in CT who cured himself from Lyme this way (with the IVs, not liposomal). Vitamin C actually kills the bugs, much like an antibiotic. At the same time, it has all of its other beneficial properties (immune system, antioxidant, etc.) and it also gets mercury out of the bloodstream. I used store-bought liposomal C when having my amalgams removed and it gave me that familiar back-of-th-neck Lyme herx headache, so I know it kills bugs.
Liposomal C is expensive to buy, but dirt cheap to make. All you need is powdered vitamin C, aluminum-free baking soda (if you get the powdered C that's already buffered you don't need the baking soda), non-GMO soy lecithin, and distilled water. You mix this up in the right amounts and put it into a $30 ultrasound machine (one of those ultrasound jewelry cleaners) and let it run for six minutes, and you've got liposomal C. There's a youtube video on it. There's also a website that has a better recipe.
Anyway, back to the Rife. I thinks it's a great bug-killing component.
When people try nothing but Rife, but don't get all the way well and keep relapsing, it's not fair to blame the Rife Machine. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. You've gotta have a better strategy than just killing the bugs. It's not enough on its own.
Particularly with Bart. Bart reproduces so fast, if you don't rife once or twice a day (once you get the load down significantly) it will keep coming back. In fact my opinion is that you can't get totally rid of Bart just by Rife alone. You can get it down to where the immune system will finish it off, but if you don't get the immune system back in order, you'll never get rid of it. Same deal with abx. Gotta get the immune system back.
The problem with abx is not only that they do nothing to get the gut and immune system back, they also destroy the body further to where it's much more difficult to get the immune system back. Not only that, but by taking so much abx, you're allowing all kinds of bugs to develop resistance to abx. I just saw an article in the national news yesterday that gonorrhea (sp?) is becoming abx-resistant and it's becoming quite a problem in the U.S. If people keep taking all these abx to the delight of the drug companies, they're going to feed the evolution of super-bugs and no one will be able to cure anything any more.
I've heard that some people have gotten well with Rife and using ozone water and insufflation as an adjunct. I'm starting to research ozone myself.
We've got all this petitioning to have the IDSA change its guidlines. Instead, how about petitioning for more research on natural or integrative remedies and more science to get this disease and all of its complexes figured out? I know that mankind is capable of doing it. It's just that the government is in bed with big pharma and doesn't want to support research that might uncover therapies that won't make tons of money for the drug companies. But I digress.....
Sorry to say it, because I know the EMEM machines are less expensive, thus attractive, but if it doesn't work, then the money is only being thrown away. Better to pay more for a machine that actually works.
Lots of good info on the Rife thread. Check it out.
Posted by annxyzz (Member # 20404) on :
Great info . I have heard very good things about the GB4000. Thanks fo sharing this !
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
Chaps, I'm going to have to disagree with you on the EMEM being useless. Besides my own personal experience, user reports from all over the country contradict your statement as well. Furthermore, if it were useless I seriously doubt that Bryan Rosner would have listed it as one of the most effective rife machines available in his book.
I'm sure, as a matter of fact I know, that there are stronger machines out there - for thousands of dollars more. That's just not a viable option for some of us. I bought my EM a few years ago and it has practically knocked my Lyme out of existence. I completely eradicated Babesia with it. I rifed, I herxed, I detoxed....over and over and over again I went through this cycle and got to a point of 90-95% - just from rifing alone and with an EMEM at that!
It's not a cure-all or a magic bullet, but it's as close as anything I've found at combating this disease. I will say this - I was reinfected a few months back (3rd reinfection) and THIS TIME my rife machine is just not getting it (whatever "it" is) - neither are herbs or antibiotics. I believe it is some sort of mycoplasmal hemobartonella infection and it is STUBBORN. Lots of bone pain and the worst fatigue I've ever experienced in my six years total of dealing with this crap.
So why isn't my machine working this time? That's the million dollar question. Am I running the wrong frequencies? Perhaps. Is this new infection just the straw that finally broke the camels back as far as my immune system is concerned and I may never fully recover again? God I hope not, but the thought has crossed my mind. Only time and experimentation will tell....
In a nutshell I just plain out think you're wrong on the DT:) The rest of your post? I agree wholeheartedly...
Posted by chaps (Member # 25286) on :
LL, I certainly hope I'm wrong and I'm glad to hear that it gave you results.
I have thought of buying one at times even though I have a Doug coil because the coil doesn't do sweeps, which I think are needed, not necessarily for borrelia, but for some co's, viruses, and other therapies, like lymph drainage and detox. The coil can be time consuming too, running the higher frequencies. You have to turn it off every 6 minutes for some of the higher frequencies and put a fan on the coil to cool it off while the amp also cools.
But, since the EMEM that I tried did nothing for me, I'm not going to be buying one. I'm glad I was able to try it out first.
I certainly hope you can conquer your reinfection. Are you sure it's not a relapse?
Posted by RZR (Member # 20953) on :
I hope lymielauren is correct because I just ordered an EMEM.
So sorry to hear you are battling this crap again.
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
No, it's not a relapse...my old Lyme symptoms have always been mainly neurological. This new thing started acutely the first of November. I now have a lot of pain and relentless fatigue. I could sleep my life away. Whatever it is hit my fianc�e at the same time and we are now both ill. My fianc�e has never had Lyme.
Interestingly he went to the doctor a couple of weeks ago for a cold and they did a CT scan on his lungs. The Dr. Called him the next day and told him his CT scan came back conclusive for walking pneumonia. Walking pneumonia is caused by Mycolasma. So I believe we both somehow picked up a Mycoplasma infection, but I have no idea how or where. I'm pretty much stumped at this point.
Anyways, I made an appt. with my old LLMD around the first of December for both of us but they couldn't see us until Feb 14. So we've been waiting for three months but we finally get in with him this Tuesday!!!
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
RZR .. hope you got it from DT!
Posted by aiden424 (Member # 7633) on :
I have DT EMEM that I think works great!! My problem is that I herx so hard from it! Took a break to see if antibiotics could get the load down some and then I will go back to rifing.
I rifed every two weeks. The first week I would be really, really ill and the second week I would feel better.
Kathy
Posted by RZR (Member # 20953) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lymetoo: RZR .. hope you got it from DT!
Yes from DT!
I don't have it yet, but it's on order. Can't wait to try it!
Thanks!
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
Lymielauren, Are you using 690 for Mycoplasm?
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
Pam!!! Thank you!!! I have not - I looked up the Cafl list online and they have a bazillion different frequencies listed for Mycoplasama. I was so overwhelmed on trying to pick one that I just said forget it. I tried to do a search on the rife thread here as well, but gave up after a few pages.
My fianc�e is sitting here next to me on the couch and he said he'll be guinea pig for 690 - I'm going to hold off rifing for now because I just started Minocycline today and I want to see how it works without any interference.
So off to treat him using 690 now - I'll let y'all know how it goes:)
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Good deal, RZR! I imagine there are some on the market that are not the same as his.
Posted by aperture (Member # 34822) on :
RZR,
I'm sad to hear that your relapsing and fed up with abx
I hope things get better.
Posted by joecheagaray (Member # 51329) on :
quote:Originally posted by lymielauren28: Pam!!! Thank you!!! I have not - I looked up the Cafl list online and they have a bazillion different frequencies listed for Mycoplasama. I was so overwhelmed on trying to pick one that I just said forget it. I tried to do a search on the rife thread here as well, but gave up after a few pages.
My fianc�e is sitting here next to me on the couch and he said he'll be guinea pig for 690 - I'm going to hold off rifing for now because I just started Minocycline today and I want to see how it works without any interference.
So off to treat him using 690 now - I'll let y'all know how it goes:)
Hello LL, I tried abx, buhner, doug coil and even I'm trying a MWO by georges lakhosvky. All helped but still stuck.
After all, how are you? do you recommend the EMEM???
Posted by joecheagaray (Member # 51329) on :
quote:Originally posted by RZR: I hope lymielauren is correct because I just ordered an EMEM.
So sorry to hear you are battling this crap again.
Hello RZR,
I'm dealing against Lyme disease, me and my family. I tried abs, buhner, doug coil... I'm still stuck.
I saw a comment from you about the EMEM machine? Does it worked? Could you give me your opinion of it?
Any info would be usefull.
Best regards.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
including a discussion thread where most say what kind of machine they use but . . . rife is rife. While the style of machine may differ and some are easier with their sweep function, etc. . . .
if you have used a doug coil, following instructions & with support supplements, all good self care habits, etc.
you are not likely to see a difference with a different kind of rife. I am assuming here that a doug coil is a rife, though.
All frequencies are the same no matter the rife style.
An EMEM may be just fine (I have one) but it can be much more work and more time consuming when compared to other models that can do sweeps.
You might get some clarification about treatment specifics from the discussion thread so that your doug coil might be more useful.
Liver & adrenal support still "required" -- if these are missing, all bets are off, too. -
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- joecheagaray,
Always glad to see someone search the archives for what's been posted about a topic. Sometimes, though, very old threads won't have the same posters coming back to reply.
You ask LL (lymielauren28) some questions. She's not posted here since 20 January, 2015 -- then her post inquiried about IV Rx.
You also asked RZR questions. Last post by that person was 10 June, 2015.
You can click onto a poster's name and see their posting history. Sometimes, their last posts will help answer some questions.
As this thread is very old, you might find more recent detail in the discussion link above.
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