ive been adding plain kefir to my daily routine the past few weeks.
Altho I know that the best probiotics are the ones that are enteric coated capsules because the coating isnt killed by stomach acid.
Is this true for the probiotics in kefir? I mean do the probiotics in kefir get killed by stomach acid too? Theres no coating on it to prevent it because its liquid. Because I will stop drinking it if it does. its pointless to buy it.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
FYI - This lady has a great blog about probiotics -
Kefir and yogurt have a good effect on the gut flora and need to be taken at least 2 hours after antibiotics.
I don't know where you got the idea that some probiotics are killed by stomach acid.
Here is what Burrascano says:
"BASIC DAILY REGIMEN (in order of importance)
1. PROBIOTICS (required when on antibiotics) Kefir: This is a yogurt-like drink that is said to more permanently replenish beneficial flora. It is only necessary to drink 2 to 4 ounces a day." (page 28)
My now famous lyme doctor had me drink kefir daily while I was being treated for lyme. I made my own.
If its benefits were negated by stomach acid, then all of the people groups who swear by it in Russia and elsewhere would be deluded. I don't think Burrascano and my doc and the people groups of the world who are drinking kefir are deluded.
You need some proof for the statement that the best probiotics are the ones that are enteric coated capsules because the coating isn't killed by stomach acid.
I really think that statement is wrong.
Maybe it was made by a person who was marketing expensive enteric coated probiotics.
I also suggest you read page 34 of Burrascano where he talks about yeast overgrowth. According to Burrasacano, it begins in the mouth and then spreads to the intestinal tract. So, we need probiotics that are active in the mouth and stomach, not just in the area beyond the stomach, which is what the enteric coating would cause.
Posted by tickled1 (Member # 14257) on :
Does kefir contain lactobacillus acidophilus? Do they make a dairy free kefir?
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I doubt there is a dairy free kefir, except for the water kefir. Totally different taste.
Remember that store bought kefir contains sugar.
Posted by tickled1 (Member # 14257) on :
I looked into it a little and although there are kefirs made from other things like coconut milk or almond milk, the starter grains are still from milk so not truly milk free. I guess I can't have it then.
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
Kefir isn't really "dairy" per se in that the kefir grains digest/eat the lactose and milk sugar. (if you let it ferment long enough)
So it can actually be beneficial for lactose intolerants
That's why the dirnk is semi-sour and not sweet. There is no sugar in it if done correctly.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
But some of us react to the casein. It's not about lactose intolerance for me.
Posted by chaps (Member # 25286) on :
quote: I don't know where you got the idea that some probiotics are killed by stomach acid.
Funny you should mention. I was just reading the label on a bottle of Saccharomyces Boullardi probiotic, and one of the things that it says on the label is that this particular probiotic does not get killed as much by the stomach acid in comparison to all the other probiotics out there. So, stomach acid apparently does do a number on probiotics.
But most people with Lyme don't secrete enough stomach acid anyway, so it shouldn't be as much of a problem as long as you take the probiotic away from HCL supplementation.
quote: I doubt there is a dairy free kefir, except for the water kefir.
There is also coconut kefir.
Posted by tickled1 (Member # 14257) on :
I am allergic to casein and coconut.
Posted by lymenotlite (Member # 33166) on :
I'm sensitive to cow's milk but not to goat's milk so I'll soon be trying goat's milk kefir.
Posted by AuntyLynn (Member # 35938) on :
There are goats milk YOGURTS, coconut Yogurts, Soy Yogurts ...
AND there is a high potency acidophilus culture called BIO-K (great stuff!!!) Whole foods sells it.
BIO-K comes in a NON-Dairy variety.
Posted by tickled1 (Member # 14257) on :
So which strains of bacteria are in kefir? I can't take acidophilus. I'm assuming that's in there?
Posted by doglover (Member # 19374) on :
what does kefir taste like?
Can it be used with cereal instead of milk?
Posted by hammond (Member # 32303) on :
I drink goat yogurt kefir and it tastes like...... goat yogurt. My kids eat it with cereal, no problem.
I 'm beginning to think that the current crop of probiotics may be missing some key components. According to this Scientific American article there are many, many unknown bacterial DNA strains in a healthy human gut. In fact 3.3 million different bacterial genes in total!
And they directly/indirectly control inflammation. They swap genes with each other and they may even "tell" the host what foods to eat! So if you have lots of yeast they may be saying "give me sugar already!" and guess what, you eat sugar!
Sounds crazy, I know. But there are a kazillion examples of pathogens controlling hosts..... like rabies!
So how do you get that garden in your gut back to it's full glory? I don't know. Maybe eat dirt? O.K. I'm joking but what do we do?
Posted by tickled1 (Member # 14257) on :
I don't know what we do. I know I have no beneficial E. coli but LLMD said besides doing a fecal transplant (NOT) all we can do is crowd the bad guys out with good guys.
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
I can take sour cream & cheeses (soft cheeses have what we need), but I can't take yogurt (it gives me congestion and gas/bloating--makes my head feel terrible).
For people who can't take dairy, sacchromyces boullardi (good yeast). Also, kimchi and kombucha (you only need a small amount of these).
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by doglover:
Can it be used with cereal instead of milk?
- ick
catgirl.. you can buy dairy free probiotics
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
Lymetoo, I have been on dairy free probiotics for a while now (forgot to mention that). But I still need more to fight the yeast beast, so the sour cream, cheese, kimchi and komboucha have all helped me.
I am currently trying the s. boullardi, but I haven't been able to find one without some sort of starch in it (just feeds my yeast and makes me itch). Does anyone know of a good brand?