How is taking Salt/C for parasites different than adding salt to your diet? Are we talking very high doses? Take before meal or during meal?
I want to run this by my doctor, but I'm curious to know what some of you are doing? And if you are noticing benefits?
I tend to have issues with Himalayan crystal salt (skin burns excessively, along with very odd thirst) whenever I take with regularity. Do most of you use regular sea salt?
Thanks, Tammy
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
I started with 1/4 tsp sea salt and 1/4tsp Ester C powder with bioflavinoids in a large galss of water. I ramped up 1/4 tsp at a time according to how I was herxing. You might need to drink extra water with the issues you are mentioning.
The combo of salt/c and antiparasitic herbs got rid of a ton of parasites and saved my life. It might be a good idea for you to visit lymestrategies for more guidance on salt/c. You can also get some good info on their links section.
Gael
Posted by riverspirit (Member # 19435) on :
Yes, the salt/C protocol isn't just himalayan salt and c. The person who moderates the lymestrategies yahoo group has written an excellent book which is filled with many facets of the protocol.
He really got it down ~ his story is inspiring, in that he tried many many protocols, and this that he did was what got him his health back.
One of the several components to the protocol is 75 per cent vegetables. It's definitely not a protocol to do without reading the book and/or coming to the group and getting guidance.
What's great is how available people are to answer questions, including the moderator.
Posted by jalama (Member # 14600) on :
Can you do the Salt C protocol while taking abx?
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Have your doctor determine whether Salt & C is right for you at a certain time or not. If your kidney and liver are in struggling mode at a certain time, it is not the time to do it.
When it does not test for you energetically at the moment, it may test for you to take it later. You can test that yourself with a tensor, pendulum, or other type of testing, and a spinkle of salt and C.
Doing Salt & C is great when the time is right. Shooting in the dark is not the way to go with such a strong therapy. Herxing is not easily understood to be a good or bad indicator. Salt & C has to fit in with whatever else you are doing.
If you have doctors to guide you, which I know you do, I would strongly suggest you get their advice. There is not much worse than following a protocol of a book without really understanding what is involved.
The body is not always forgiving. I have made my mistakes along the way losing patience and that is why I am saying this.
Take care.
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
Good question. Can you take salt C with ABX and can you take anti parasitic herbs with ABX as well?
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
I have read replys here that some were taking the herbs while on abx. Just space them an hour or two apart.
I have also read on lymestrategies that people were doing salt/c while on abx as well. Like I suggested, best to pose these type questions on the lymestrategies forum.
Gael
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
but what is the ending dose of salt and c...what are you working towards
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
I think Gael is on 20 grams of salt and vitamin C daily! That's 1 tablespoon and 1 teaspoon of each.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
20 gms is what I worked my way up to over a period of time. Not everyone goes that high. Some only go as high as 12 gms, and others, lower than that.
It's an individual choice and depends on what you can tolerate. I only do about half (10 gms) now as maintenance.
As I mentioned before, the best advice for this protocol is with the lymestrategies group.
Gael
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
i did huma worm im on parastroy for the 2nd time. also on buhner herb tea and grapefruit seed and for a short time doxy.. i actually feel pretty good-way less fatigue and i am taxing myself way more than normal cognitively and havent crcked yet
i take c now...so all it would be is adding the salt...so you mix it in water and drink the water and then extra water too
i have been seeing many things coming out of many parts of me...but all tiny things...i sense there is something big in there...
it just seems worth a try...just adding one thing might make a big difference
i tried to use that site and couldnt. im really bad at learning new things. i cant figure out tracys site or pauls...but if it is simple i could try it
i like salt and never test too high in it
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Yes ip. Just mix the salt(sea salt) in a glass of water along with the C and drink extra water. You can increase the Parastroy to 3 caps each para rid and para sweep 2 x a day after the 3rd week.
I also take Super Digestaway by Soloray and extra cloves by Hanna Kroeger. Hope this is clear for you.
Gael
Posted by MannaMe (Member # 33330) on :
My husband takes around 15 mgs of vitamin c per day and uses the RealSalt freely in his food. Does this count toward the salt/c protocol?
He also tries to drink 1 gal of water per day. Would he need more water than that?
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Manna,
Not sure, but to test it out, I would mix the salt and c in some water and drink it to see if he gets a different reaction. Drinking the solution helps to circulate it into the cells.
I suspect that the concentrated dose might be more effective. Do you mean he takes 15grams? 15 mgs is a very small dose of C.
Gael
Posted by jackie81 (Member # 27031) on :
I am just replying to this so I can find it later!
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
lp - I was having trouble with the site also. Like you, I'm not great at learning new things like this.
glm - do you have to set up a yahoo id, etc. in order to read the threads? Or is there a special place to click in?
I feel sort of dumb on this. I had trouble with Lymenet for years. Everyone raved at what a great site it was, but every time I pulled up the home page it just looked outdated (2008 fundraiser, etc.) I didn't realize you needed to click on Flash Discussion, etc.
We really should update the LN home page to make it easier for newcomers.
Posted by MannaMe (Member # 33330) on :
Yes, glm1111, I did mean grams, not mgs. That's what happens when I'm up too late!
He takes his C throughout the day.
Posted by hopeforhealth (Member # 23673) on :
very helpful thank you for all the input on this subject
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Tammy,
I had trouble figuring it out myself for a long time, so don't feel bad. I realized that you do have to set up a yahoo account.
It's a good group, so worth the effort. Also, when you google lymestrategies, go to the one that says forum. Good Luck!
Gael
Posted by gigimac (Member # 33353) on :
I don't personally feel that adding sea salt to your food and then taking c is the same as taking both together.
I don't get a herx when I put it in my food and then take c, but that's just me.
I have a bad time with salt c. Of all the things I have tried salt/c gives me the biggest herx response. I wonder if that means I have a bad parasite problem?
I have had to take tee tiny amounts to tolerate it.
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
Thanks Gael. Gael, can I ask.... are you well? or are you still struggling with different aspects of this dreaded illness? I know parasite treatment has been your greatest breakthrough, from what you have written. (Thank you for all of your many posts on parasites. Your consistency and patience in your posts are so greatly needed and appreciated. Truly.)
gigimac - that is likely the case.... that you have a bad parasite problem, given the big herx you get. You should consider making parasite treatment a primary focus. That is what I am doing. But going slowly and carefully. Right now I am on Nystatin to get the yeast angle covered (remember, when parasites die they throw off all of the toxic metals they are holding, and yeast. Gigi has posted many times on this.)
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Your Welcome Tammy,
I got rid of all my Lyme symptoms incl. co infections and candida. Just have to balance out my digestion (Had/have Bells Palsy of The Gut)and am doing well with it.
Finding that I needed more digestive enzymes which I just added and they really are an important part of the picture. I use Super Digestawy by Soloray.
Gael
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
gael thanks so much for answer and ditto to this: (Thank you for all of your many posts on parasites. Your consistency and patience in your posts are so greatly needed and appreciated. Truly.)
ok-now. i have been taking an ester c caplet 1 morning 1 night (1000 each)
it is hard for me to get liqueds down-real hard-i have to mix my buhner tea in juice(i know about yeast)...but i have had a number of colonoscopies and manage to psyc myself to drink that salty stuff...so i hope i can drink some salt somehow.
does the c HAVE to be the kind taken in water? should i take all 2000 with the salt once a day?
i am going to figure out how to get more cloves in me-that shouldbe easy
thank you again
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
When is the best time to treat parasites? Is it best to do some Lyme and co treatments first to get those loads down and then get into treating parasites and metals. My llmd was saying that detoxing metals was very important in treating Lyme and did mention it was good to treat for parasites too even mentiOned about treating filarial worms as they believe it is a part of lyme. What meds treat these works? Good thread on parasites thanks
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Ip,
Your very welcome, glad I can be of some help with this miserable disease. You can take the C caps and you can also put he salt in caps if that's easier.
You can start with the divided dose of 1 cap along with the cap of C, however it is VERY important to drink enough water with it. Why can't you get liquids down?
BTW, Pomegranite juice is antiparasitic.
Maya,
Dr. K. says that treating parasites FIRST is key and Lyme SECOND. Knowing what I know now from experience, I believe this to be true.
Parasites have a symbiotic relationship with the bacteria and protect them. Killing parasites exposes the bacteria for an easier demolition.
Gael
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
So is it bad that I am treating the Lyme and Bart first ? My llmd did say the dozy could help with filarial worms. I do have some huma worm but not sure if I should do that yet as I will be starting on a bunch of meds this week , ugh this is so complicated can you still get well even if you treat parisites a bit later
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Maya, Your doc is right about the doxy killing the baby filarial worms. I read here that some people were having success with Ivermectin and doxy. Maybe suggest that to your doc.
See how you do on your new meds, and follow your doctors advice. You can always add the antiparasitics down the road.
Gael
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
Thanks this is a really good thread
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
gael-thanks again. im glad i can try this. i have "exagerated gag reflex"
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
Gael, did you test positive for BB and/ or coinfections and how long do you believe you were infected for?
What were your symptoms?
I have also heard of people getting sicker from taking salt c. Tom Grieg advises against it and my LlMD also advises against it. They had a client otheories who tried salt C and had gotten worst.
I would imagine someone with a big parasitic load could only benefit from a salt C protocol. It is not always easy to make the call and tough to determine of causes a herx or causes you to get worst.
Also, has Dr Sapi or anyone out there done studies on what happens to BB in vitro when salt C is added?
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
I tested positive for BB, bart, babs and erlichia in 1999. LLMD found a bullseye on top of my head and I had severe neuro Lyme. I had alsmost every symptom on the Lyme symptom list and kept landing in ICU with life threatening symptoms.
Most docs don't understand the salt/c protocol because they are from the old school of salt not being good for us when in fact a lot of us are salt deficient.
It's TABLE SALT that is poison. According to the lymestrategies info, salt kills bb and the cyst form.
Salt is an ancient tool for it's antibacterial properties. If you have Lyme and co salt/c can cause herxes as it is killing the pathogens.
It puts the parasites into osmotic shock. Don;t really want to get into a big debate about salt/c.
Everyone has to do the research and make their own decisions as to whether they want to do it or not.
Gael
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
P. S. I was infected for over 30 yrs that I know of and I suspect probably longer than that.
Posted by MannaMe (Member # 33330) on :
So if he's putting 1 teaspoon of vitamin c powder in his cup of water, would he add 1 teaspoon of salt?
Or should he work up to 1 teaspoon of salt?
And must the vitamin c be a certain kind, such as straight ascorbic acid? or can it be a c powder w/ bioflavinoids and such - like EmergenC?
And how many times per day would you take it?
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Manna,
Starting with 1 tsp of salt can be too much. It's best to start at a lower dose of say 1/4tsp each salt and C.
The Ester C powder with bioflavinoids is easier on the stomach and easy to mix. I RAMPED UP SLOWLY and increased 1/4 tsp 1 x a day according to how I was herxing.
Most people that back off of the salt/c protocol is because they ramp up too fast and herx too hard as mentioned in gigimac's post above.
Gael
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
Gael, thanks for all your responses.
Has salt c had ANY adverse effects for you? Did your blood pressure increase at all?
I understand that it is said that the consumption of water increases the salt diffusion through your cells. One would think the more water one drinks the quicker the salt gets flushed out and thus rendering the intake less effective.
Your welcome. I have had NO adverse reactions to salt/c, however, the herxes can be difficult, so it's important to go slow.
My B/P was running a steady 120/70. My B/P was always very low, so this was a good reading for me. I suspect I was very salt deficient.
I found that drinking extra water didn't affect the strength of the salt/c at all. The only proof I have is that I would herx like h*ll regardless of water consumption.
The Ester C you have posted is what I use, only in the powder form. It mixes easier with the salt and I buy it at Vitacost.
Gael
Posted by MattH (Member # 30846) on :
Gael,
How long did it take to get rid of the neuro symptoms? Like you I have had my initial Lyme for more that 40 years.
I am doing a table spoon of Salt and C once a day and going to do a smaller amount in the evening now. Your idea of making it up in a jar and drinking it throughout the day is a good one but I can only do that when I am home on the weekend.
I think I have made enough progress to fully take on the Babuska principle now that I am feeling better.
Thanks for all your real world experience and advice on the Salt/C. It sounded so weird when I first read about it, I was sure this was another "magic internet cure!" So thanks again for your consistent support and explanations. I use a buffered C powder I get from iherb.
All the Best, MattH
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Matt,
Your so welcome, and I am sooo happy to hear you are feeling better! It took me several yrs to get rid of the neuro symptoms.
I had a VERY bad parasite problem in my head. (Probably had to do with Bulls Eye LLMD found on my nogan)
I also found that increasing my digestive enzymes REALLY helped with neuro stuff. I use Super Digestaway by Soloray. The antiparasitic herbs also helped with yeast and other infections.
I know what you mean about salt/c, when I first saw it here on lymenet via the lymephotos site, I had ny doubts. I was so desperate tho, I decided I had nothing to lose.
I can't believe you can tolerate a tablespoon of salt in one shot. Are you a big guy? Again, so glad to hear you are on the road back from this beast. Posted by MattH (Member # 30846) on :
I am 6ft 200lbs. Based on your posts I started slow several months agon but did not get a reaction until I was doing 1 teaspoon of both c and sea salt.
Now I do about a tablespoon of both in the morning and teaspoon of both in the evening. Just started it yesterday and it is working well.
Again, many many thanks.
All the Best, MattH
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
I tried 2G of Himalayan and a packet of GNC Vit C plus Probiotics, since I did not get the Ester yet.
What I can say so far is that I had a lot of twitching and vibrations/tremors. More so than normal and more so than the GSE has elicited in me. I don't get this type of response from any of the ABX I have taken thus far.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Lymedin,
The GNC has some sugar in it. If you are taking abx, it's not the best form of C to take because of the sugar. The twitching and vibrations are from waking up the parasites.
I had these symptoms for yrs. Just keep going and if the herxing gets to be too much, wait until it calms down and then continue. Good Luck
Gael
Matt,
That's great that you are able to tolerate the higher dose. You did the smart thing in ramping up slowly. Wishing you the best, and keep us posted as to your progress.
Gael
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
Matt - what kind of changes have you seen in your health picture since starting the salt/c? Just curious.
Posted by MattH (Member # 30846) on :
Tammy,
Late last November I was trying to stay on the Salt and Sea but I was doing too much and also having down days and herxing from the ABX.
However my mind slowly began to clear (on ABX for 5 months). So each month has been a little bit better than the last.
I started to go after Bart about 6 weeks ago and my ability to focus and stay on my protocol (abx, supplements, CES device, four IV Glutathione, one EDTA IV and a few other things) has improved. Dr K recommends the CES machine twice a day but I am only at 4 to 5 times a week because of work and chores etal.
So for 4 months I was doing the Salt and C once a day about 3 or 4 days a week at the 1 to 1 tablespoon level. But knew that if I was really going to work the Babuska principle I needed to be more consistent. So I am now on my second week of every day at the above mentioned amount and on Monday I added a second does of one teaspoon 1 to 1 in the evening.
Results: I continue to get rid of parasites daily. It is not causing any negative issues so far so I look forward to seeing what happens with a complete month of twice a day tablespoon in the morning and teaspoon in the evening. I am also taking oil of oregano twice daily.
So I will let you know more in about 4 weeks on the twice a days. I do drink plenty of water.
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