I am just wondering if feeling more out of it and confused and stressed and anxious and ocd and depressed and as if nothing around you feels right and brain misfiring can be a sign of toxicity?
Anyone get this way when they are really toxic?
What are others symptoms of toxicity?
Posted by Hmm... (Member # 39308) on :
I think this is hard to answer as it is too vague. Toxicity can be from many things and a cause of symptoms for many ailments. In Lyme disease I would think most of the symptoms are a result of some type of "toxicity", therefore I don't know how to differentiate "toxic" symptoms from anything else you may be considering.
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
Well basically I mean feeling more toxic after treating for a while.
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
Or from herxing
Posted by gailth (Member # 30851) on :
It is a sign of toxicity.
When you are toxic, you may feel irritable, fatigued, anxious and depressed.
You may also gain weight.
Drink plenty of purified water every day to eliminate toxins.
Exercise at least 30 minutes three times a week or more if you can to increase sweating which also removes toxins.
Posted by Hmm... (Member # 39308) on :
I still don't understand. Being sick means being toxic. There are no specific symptoms of being "toxic", they can all be a result of being "toxic".
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
Oh yes I understand that , basically I just mean that after months of meds I feel worse and know I have kpu so I can't detox well and I am just wondering if many of the symptoms I am having right now are more from my brain and body being very toxic rather than from the infections making me worse.
I am just wondering if after a while of treating if anyone actually gets worse from all the dead toxins and that they just need to stop for a while and detox and this helps some of the symptoms to back off.
It's just that lately the more I keep treating the worse I feel and I am just wondering what to do and what's to know others symptoms When they feel so toxic or in a constant herx that makes them feel like they need to back off and detox and if they do this do they feel better?
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
Has anyone felt really out of it when toxic and just feel disconnected or more depersonalized or as if everything around them just feel strange?
Anyone else feel like this when either herxing or just too toxic?
Posted by derk diggler (Member # 31903) on :
the truth of it is maya, weve been asking this
question for over a year now or atleast i have, and
the truth is nobody here nows, nobody can explain
why we feel the way we do, nobody can guide us to
fix it, and we dont even no if its lyme or
parasites or heavy metals, or any of these, were
just ****ed, and im tired of asking and getting a
million diff opinions its a waste if time, thats
why i quit coming on here, doctors dont knows, im
sick of askin, i feel sorry for both of us
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
I totally understand what you are saying derek , and I know it really is hard to figure out but I also know my cousin suffered with all of these symptoms for 30 years , and finally found it was Lyme and cos and metals and yeast and has been treating for 1.5 years naturopathic ally only and is better than she has been in 30 years and is finally figuring out who she really is after so long
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
All I am really wondering is if anyone gets these symptoms when toxic or herxing and do they get better when backing off meds?
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Maya12: [QB] Has anyone felt really out of it when toxic and just feel disconnected or more depersonalized or as if everything around them just feel strange?
Anyone else feel like this when either herxing or just too toxic?
I just ended my feeling of being disconnected - I've been on Armour thyroid for a couple months now and it ended it! I feel "here" again.
I've always tested low-normal on thyroid, but for us, this is too low.
The doctor explained that when we're sick, the body goes into hibernation. So I just gave my body back a tool for metabolism and other good things to happen.
So this could be something for you to look into.
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
Well I did have my thyroid checked recently and it was 1, doc said it was normal, but I will talk to my llmd about this
So is it not at all normal to feel this way with a herx, has no one else felt this way with a herx
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
Does anyone ever just feel like they are not all there mentally , like fully awake or in the moment, I just can't quite take things in normally and it just feels dream like, as if i am not fully in reality. I seem to go in and out of it and the obsessive constant thoughts don't help,
But can this get worse with a herx? Can you get more like this with toxicity? Especially If my thyroid is ok?
Will it go away?
Can the toxins make you feel this out of it?
It's like I just can't take everything in around me normally or kind of like being sedated.
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
Hey robin what was your thyroid reading ?
Posted by TF (Member # 14183) on :
I think you are describing derealization--a lyme symptom. I had that before I started treating lyme. It went away with good lyme treatment.
Read this wikipedia description and notice that intrusive thoughts and constant worrying often accompany it:
"Frequently, derealization occurs in the context of constant worrying or 'intrusive thoughts' that one finds hard to switch off."
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Maya12: [QB] Hey robin what was your thyroid reading ?
My T3 was below normal range and my TSH was in normal range. So it's the T3 level that's being hiked.
Feel free to pm me if you want to discuss further.
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
Re toxicity, if you can handle heat, sweating in a FIR sauna tent can detox you over time.
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
Usually die off means increased cytokines. Cytokines are why we feel bad when we have the flu.
When herxing I often feel more pain, fluish, inflammation (snap, crackle pop when I move). Increased anxiety and depression and the list goes on and on. I have had the HLA testing and I have to take binders because I don't detox well. I also have detox problems due to methylation issues.
Die off also causes release of heavy metals so I often feel heavy metal toxicity. The most obvious symptoms of this for me are ringing in the ears, pain and irritability but there are many symptoms that one can have with heavy metals too.
The areas to look into for detox bottlenecks are methylation, kpu and HLA. I also recieved some help with intracellular detox. My doctor ran a test and said my cells were full of debri from die off so we drained them with a Pekana homeopathic detox kit.
When I am super toxic I have trouble with noise and light bothering me. Multiple chemical sensitivity for me is caused by toxicity.
Terry I'm not a doctor
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
Hey guys thanks for all your help and Tammy , that thread really helped that you sent me , I really think I need to take a bit of a break from meds and work on detoxing , I haven't taken any meds yet today and have def felt better.
Thanks for the help everybody
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
Does anyone also get really tight muscles and feel like their limbs are weak and not working right or cramping when they are herxing?
Posted by TF (Member # 14183) on :
Tight muscles and cramping generally means you need to take more magnesium.
If you are not already doing so, I suggest you buy MagTab SR. That is the one Burrascano recommends. It is the best. Most other magnesium supplements are not well absorbed at all. This one really makes a difference!
I understand you can get it at GNC (General Nutrition Center) and perhaps at WalMart also.
"The best source is magnesium L-lactate dehydrate (�Mag-tab SR�, sold by Niche Pharmaceuticals: 1-800-677-0355" (page 28 of Burrascano)
Hope this helps you.
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
One doctor told me if you wake up in the morning and feel like crap or really tired, that can mean toxins. If your fatigue or crappiness comes later in the day it is probably the illness.
This makes sense to me. When I first started treating (no antibiotics in the past) I felt good in the morning. But as the treatment time went on I began to feel super crappy in the morning. There were days I could not drag myself out of bed.