I had blood test for Yeast that was positive and put on Diflucan for a month.
I told my LLNP I still felt yeasty so she retested me and results showed no active yeast.
My tongue is white and feels coated and has for a few months even during and after Difulcan. I suspect Thrush.
Is the treatment for thrush different than yeast they detect in your blood?
I'm on oral and IV antibotics.
Another post suggested Integrative Therapeutics Phytostan for yeast. Does that work on thrush?
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Thrush is ALWAYS a fungal infection. Always. Treatment is the same but not all things work for all people.
Sound like the LLNP may not be so LL after all if they are ignoring thrush. IMO, tests for one fungal infection in the body can miss so many others it could be. But oral candidiasis certain can present as Thrush.
You may need a different kind of probiotic. Can't speak to the one you mention.
Has the Diflucan prescription run out? Sounds like that was in the past.
With a serious complex stealth infection like lyme (and other TBD) and the immune challenges they bring, immune support is also vital. Medical mushrooms are excellent (and no, they will not add to fungal infection, these are GOOD mushrooms).
If you are on antibiotics, you MUST be on antifungal measures and that means
1. Probiotic
2. a. systemic antifungal Rx or nutrtional supplement such as Olive Leaf Extract or one of similar stature
2. b. topical mouth help including both, perhaps:
RX powder NYSTATIN for the mouth & (used separately) an herbal mouthwash - not chemical.
3. diet to avoid simple carbohydrates and always combine protein and fat with your complex carbohydrates (veggies).
4. avoid artificial sweeteners and carbonated drinks
I'll be back with OLE detail. It was a miracle for me regarding systemic fungal infection. -
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
[ 01-20-2013, 01:33 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- You might find a LL ND best to help with this situtation as there are many ways to approach it.
I mentioned immune support with medical mushrooms or herbs. A LL ND would be best to guide you with that. Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) may also be of help for immune support.
When considering herbal / nutritional / adjunct methods:
if at all possible - because each person & each case is different - it's best to consult with an ILADS-educated LL (lyme literate) doctor who has completed four years of post-graduate medical education in the field of herbal and nutritional medicine -
- and someone who is current with ILADS' research & presentations, past and present.
Many LL NDs incorporate antibiotics (depending upon the licensing laws in their state). Some LLMDs and LL NDs have good working relationships.
When possible, it's great to have both a LLMD and LL ND and even better when they have a long-standing professional relationship.
Integrative / Holistic M.D., etc. (Be aware that those in this category can have various levels of formal herbal &/or nutritional education, perhaps even just a short course. Do ask first.)
Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees who all have this basic approach in common:
Understanding of the importance of addressing the infection(s) fully head-on with specific measures from all corners of medicine;
knowing which supplements have direct impact, which are only support and which are both.
You can compare and contrast many approaches.
BASIC HERBAL EDUCATIONAL & SAFETY links, -
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
You asked about Integrative Therapeutics Phytostan
I suggest finding a different formula, one without L-Glutamic acid added. That can be really bad for those with neuro-lyme.
one ingredient that is contraindicated for those with neurolyme:
L-Glutamic Acid HCl 50mg
WHY? See the links explaining why Glutamate can cause so much trouble for those with lyme.
Now, it can be helpful to heal, but I'd suggest a very, VERY tiny amount if other things don't help. You can buy it separately to control the dose. And Magnesium MUST be present in your body to balance the excitatory effect of glutamate / glutamic acid.
DGL should first be tried - just Google together: DGL, licorice
Excitotoxins; MSG; Aspartame; & "Natural" Flavors; -
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- This is one that my ND says has really helped many of her patients. You might chew one capsule or melt in your mouth some of the powder of whatever probiotic you choose. Away from antifungal topicals, though.
Fem Dolphilus -
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- I suggested MEDICAL MUSHROOMS as a possible important helper and that a LL ND would best guide you. There are MANY kinds and Reishi is just one (which has variations of its own).
Studies show reishi mushrooms benefit people stricken with a variety of ailments . . . .
Excerpts:
. . . Though there are six different types of reishi . . .
. . . Health Benefits: Reishi indeed sounds like a cure-all. An immunostimulant, it is helpful for people with AIDS, leaky gut syndrome, Epstein-Barr, chronic bronchitis, and other infectious viruses.
It is used as an aid to sleep; as a diuretic; as a laxative; and to lower cholesterol. Reishi mushrooms are antioxidants and liver protectants. . . .
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Previous thread here at LymeNet: Medical Mushrooms
Topic: anyone try Maitake mushroom? -
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Never trust a lab test to tell you what you already know. YOU HAVE YEAST!!! Tests for yeast are pretty lousy. And since you've been on Diflucan, it's even MORE unlikely to show on a test that you have yeast.
Are you watching your diet and taking tons of QUALITY probiotics?
Posted by trimom (Member # 25843) on :
She isn't ignoring thrush but it just came to me that might be my issue after doing some google searching. I will talk with her about it at my appointment this week.
I had thrush when I was pregnant with twins and in the hospital for pre term labor years ago and was difficult to get rid of.
I've been using two different probiotics not the one mentioned in my first post.
The yeasty feeling is in mouth and I didn't explain it that way to my LLNP.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Probiotics will not be enough once it's established, espeically with on-going antibiotic use.
If it's in your mouth, it still needs to be treated systemically (OLE, Allicin, etc.) as well as topically to the mouth tissue. And such measures should go on all during treatment.
I hope this resolves for you soon. Good luck. -
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Keeb is right .. you need to address it aggressively. Probiotics are only there for prevention and to keep yeast and thrush away.
You can, however, open a capsule of probiotic and place it on your tongue.
I would up the probiotics if I were you. It took me forever to figure this out. I went from 36 billion to 400 billion (slowly). Also, oil of oregano helps to kill it. Diflucan works best, but the herbs Keebler posted and probiotics will help.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
That was my problem during treatment. I was not taking enough and I was only taking that &%$# PB8.