I just talked to the owner of this ranch ordering another MMS book. I had ordered my own book via Amazon and apparently since he is in Washington State he got my order and shipped it to me.
In talking with him, it quickly became apparent that both he and his wife treated Lyme with MMS that he had been walking around with for nine years not being able to figure out what it was. They are both very well again.
He was the most bubbly 84 year old that sounded like 55. I didn't have time to talk more, but if you want to hear more, his name is Roi and his phone number is on their website. Feel free to call him and chat if you want to hear more about MMS and Lyme.
There is no doubt in my mind that MMS works and it does it a lot more quickly than what most of us have been through.
Take care.
Posted by birdie67 (Member # 35994) on :
Thank you Gigi. Can you tell me exactly how you are taking MMS?
Thanks
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
Wow -- fascinating. I'm posting in order to follow this thread.
Posted by MattH (Member # 30846) on :
Gigi,
Thanks for posting the link. I am into week two for using MMS orally. I do 7 drops 3 times a day. Since I work full time it is difficult to do more intervals than that. It seems to be working quite well. I am currently off ABX because of high liver enzymes.
I have see three or four users in the past three years use MMS long term and recover from lyme. I have no idea on co-infections or how bad they had it. I am wondering if the reason others do not stay on it is because of the taste. I put the two solutions together in glass and let sit for 5 minutes. I then add about 5 ounces of filtered water and it goes down ok, I be lying if I said it did not taste bad.
I start my Dr K antimicrobials later this week. I have a locally trained Dr K person to guide.
All the Best, MattH
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
I think one reason people have a hard time with using MMS is because they use too much. It is hard on the stomach at higher doses.
You really don't need to use more than 5 to 8 drops per dose. I rarely go above 6 for anything. I do not have Lyme so it is easier since no herx is involved.
Dan
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
I would highly recommend buying the book - Reiki Ranch/phone # above will mail it to you, or go via Amazon.
It does not make sense to do this therapy with all but the most current knowledge that is now available on it. A lot has been learned over the last few years to best use MMS. You don't drive a car before you have had a few lessons.
Anybody can do the therapy whether at work or home.
If you do MMS it is not necessary to do anything else. Most supplements are feeding the very microbes we are trying to get rid of. The effort is to cause oxidation and if you take any antioxidants, you are defeating the purpose of MMS.
There is no herx involved, if you do it right, whether you have Lyme or any other of the numerous problems. Please inform yourself how to do MMS right. I have given you plenty of links in the different threads.
You definitely do not start with either 5, 7, or 8 drops per dose. You rather start with l/8th of a drop of activated MMS at hourly intervals. You can take the bottle to work and take a certain mount out of it. I have a little plastic shot glass in my car, the bottle with the activated MMS in it, and a timer - so I won't forget. All you need is a timer to remind you to take a certain amount. You need no juice because even if you are at the max, done the right way, it tastes like a bit of lemony water, with barely an odor. Little children take it! You also stay away from Vit C, because it negates MMS.
You start with the tiniest amount and work your way up until you have disposed of the overflow of toxins stored in your body. Whether your drink it or do an enema or bath, or spray, you start at the bottom and work your way up.
Please buy the book and go to the links I have posted.
If you take the right amount divided over a certain time frame, you will have no problem with taste or odor to turn you off. If you put too much soap into your washing machine, it doe not get your clothes clean either.
Millions around the world are taking MMS without any problems. But you have to take it the way it has been found to work best and most effective.
MMS is not bleach.
MMS is active in the body for approximately one hour. With hourly doses you can make the best progress, if at the right amount.
If you have Lyme or any of the other toxicity problems for years, I am sure you will find a way to do it right. MMS works if done right.
Take care.
Posted by aklnwlf (Member # 5960) on :
What a coincidence! Look what I've been using for a little over a week.....
A friend of mine sent me something about Jim via Facebook months ago....I should have paid more attention.
Was wondering if Lymenet would have anything about Sodium Chlorite.
Thanks GiGi.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Go for it, Alaska!
MMS kills all pathogens such as Viruses, Bacteria, Candida, Parasites, and, best of all, it neutralizes toxic heavy metals, such as mercury, lead, cadmium, arsenic, etc.
While using MMS, do not use any citrus fruits, pineapple, Vitamin C and/or other Antioxidants such as CQ10, ALA, E, etc.
Do not take MMS with foods and stay away from foods for 20- 30 minutes.
More uses for MMS:
Heavy Metals Teeth Eyes Nose Bites and stings Various injuries Skin
Take care.
Posted by annxyzz (Member # 20404) on :
Gigi, I genuinely believe that you want to help people here and truly appreciate that you take the time to try !
The problem is that I have read many things that say MMS is dangerous and IS bleach and is risky and fraudulently marketed with claims. I do not know WHAT to believe .
Are there really people getting well with lyme and coinfections like babesia ? I have chills and bone crushing fatigue and twitches and think babs is my problem . I do not have an llmd, and everyone I know with lyme who has gone to LLMD did not get better , but they got a H-LL of a lot pooorer . They were ill a long time before getting a proper DX - most had been told they had CFIDS , like me.
Who is feeling better ( really ) with MMS ?
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
"When I discovered the Stabilized Oxygen often cured malaria while prospecting for gold in the Jungles of Guyana, I began to work on it to produce more chlorine dioxide. Using a stronger mixture of the same chemical I was eventually able to make it produce up to 1000 times more chlorine dioxide. It was then tested to be safe for humans." statement by Jim Humble.
The info above is a quote by Jim Humble from the website that Gigi posted.
Jim Humble has done no truly scientific studies--no double blind studies at all. No one has. Of all of the thousand of studies on malaria and AIDS, not one says MMS works. Most don't even mention sodium chlorite.
Be very clear. Alone MMS (sodium chlorite) is highly toxic and can kill your red blood cells and damage your kidneys. MMS is NOT stabilized oxygen, so right away his claim is false.
When you mix MMS with citric acid or lemon juice you get chlorine dioxide which is industrial bleach. And here Jim Humble is saying his MMS makes the bleach 1000 times stronger! AAH! RUN!
I am not clear if Gigi is just using the MMS drops or mixing it with citric acid to get the bleach, but either way MMS IS DANGEROUS!!
Anytime I see such a long list of what something cures, I become very suspicious
Certainly MMS may kill lyme bacteria. It will also kill your good bacteria and your body cells. It does not differentiate.
While I appreciate Gigi's caution to only use a tiny bit and start at 1/8th of a drop, I still would not use MMS.
Hiker53
P.S. Jim Humble now has MMS2 adn MMS3 because regular MMS just didn't quite kill the HIV like he claimed. Don't tell me he does not make money off of this. Selling the book alone makes him a ton of money. He is a charlatan.
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Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
Gigi,
Could you kindly explain how you get 1/8th of a drop of anything?
Hiker53
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Posted by poppy (Member # 5355) on :
Seems to me it is dangerous to give this kind of medical advice on a public forum, without having medical credentials. I don't think it is appropriate at all.
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
I took MMS for several months. I do think it hit something -- I had bizarre emotional herxing -- but not sure what it hit. Then it hurt my stomach and I had to stop.
Most I have talked to said it worked for awhile, but then stopped, same as anything.
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
Not a Jim Humble fan, and yes he makes money off promoting it.
Posted by emla999/Lyme (Member # 12606) on :
Hiker53, I agree with you.
Several years ago, via email, I contacted chlorine dioxide researcher, Dr. Norio Ogata. Dr. Ogata has published numerous studies regarding the potential health effects that chlorine dioxide can have.
And I have noticed that some promoters of MMS have used Dr. Ogata's name when promoting the beneficial effects of MMS.
But several years ago, when I contacted Dr. Ogata, I asked him if he thought that taking MMS orally would be helpful in the treatment of bloodborne infections. And Dr. Ogata responded to me by saying NO, he did not believe that taking MMS orally would be of any benefit in the treatment of a bloodborne infection.
He even explained to me why the MMS protocol would not work. It had to do with the way chlorine dioxide reacted to proteins inside the body...... not dietary proteins. If anyone wants to know more about why MMS taken orally may not work then you should contact Dr. Norio Ogata.
Though, Dr. Ogata did say that chlorine dioxide was beneficial for oral/dental infections. And that it could kill pathogens outside of the body.
Dr. Ogata also said that chlorine dioxide could kill airborne pathogens and surface-residing microorganisms when it was adminstered as a gas.
Actually, at that time, Dr. Ogata was studying the human safety and efficacy of adminstering chlorine dioxide via a gas at killing airborne pathogens and surface-residing microorganisms in rooms and indoor areas.
Also, MMS has been avaible for several years now. And as far as I know, the promoters of MMS haven't produced even one study showing that MMS does what they say that it does.
And by the way, several years ago, I took MMS for several months and it didn't help me at all. Not even slightly.
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
Jim Humble claims that MMS is supposed to oxidize and kill the bad bacteria. Basically he implies that all harmful bacteria need to be oxidized.
Wrong. Tuberculous bacteria actually use oxygen to survive, so not all harmful bacteria need to be oxidized to be killed.
He also says that harmful bacteria release toxins so that is why he thinks MMS will not harm good cells as it targets toxins. If we believe that than this is precisely why MMS can be dangerous to the liver and to the kidneys, because those organs have toxins in them.
Hiker53
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
The owner of the ranch that Gigi mentioned may very well have cured lyme with MMS. There will always be a few positive testimonials.
Gee--I heard that a certain Texas doctor used a laser to kill Lyme and get rid of metals and toxins. I personally spoke with a few people who insisted they were cured by them and I believe they were sincere. Did not work for me and many others at all.
I know Gigi always uses her tensor to test items before taking them. However, emotional bias can be a huge factor in using a tensor. If you believe strongly enough that you need something the tensor will agree with you. I know from experience.
A number of years ago I tested MMS with my tensor and it said I needed it. I ramped up slowly again using the tensor to help me. I only ended up puking my guts out and that was on fewer drops than D. Bergy mentioned.
Finally, Gigi--you said you are taking Borax, Diatemaceous Earth and now MMS to get rid of toxins/metals. How do you know which one is working? Gigi, I am not trying to pick on you at all. I have a college degree in science and while I believe many treatments outside of Big Pharma are valuable--this one is just too dangerous.
Hiker53
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
To get a fraction of a drop, you mix one drop, add water and then divide the mixture.
My wife could only tolerate one half drop dosages at first. Higher doses used later on gave her stomach problems and she stopped using it. She also has had the same problem with all oral Lyme treatments.
Dan
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
Thanks Dan,
Duh! I should have figured that drop fraction out for myself.
Hope I don't offend you with my comments on MMS. Just don't want a lot of people to get into trouble with it.
Hope your wife is better. I could not tolerate any oral lyme treatments, either, so I went the photon route.
Hiker53
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
I am not offended by comments about MMS. Many here have used it and their experience is valuable, good or bad. I am not for or against it. It is a treatment option for those that wish to use it. I certainly do not know if it will cure Lyme. There is still the problem of cyst form and I doubt MMS can penetrate that.
My experience with it is limited. It is not a cure all for sure, but it does clear up some infections fast.
It is also not risk free. It is an oxidizer and that prevents me from using it very often, as I have Crohn's Disease. An oxidizer is probably not a good idea for long term treatment with a dodgy intestinal tract that is often inflamed without any help.
I will always have some available, because if we ever have some kind of plague or fast moving dangerous contagion, it may be impossible to get any other treatment in time.
I ended up treating my wife with frequencies. Didn't have much choice, how else do you treat someone who can't tolerate any oral treatments? It worked very well for her. She is living a normal life now.
I only treat her every few months or so nowadays.
Dan
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Thanks for the objective comments. The rest which border on insults I have learned to ignore.
To the people who can think outside the box I would say to be open and spend the twenty dollars to get the latest book of Jim Humble.
I have not had Lyme in many years, but I stayed on 1/8th drop of MMS for close to two weeks and am now doing very well detoxing mercury and lead, etc. along with the parsites that are part of any metal picture. And it is so easy.
Dan, I understand Crohns and know that it is always involving toxic heavy metals. Photons and Rife tend to simply chase the metals around -- I learned that many years ago when I was not paying attention to what I had learned years before especially about the gut. See this power point: http://www.klinghardtacademy.com/images/stories/powerpoints/mercury%20presentation.pdf
If you want to improve your situation as I have, stay open minded, and spend the twenty dollars and get Jim Humble's book, read all you can, including the testimonials. When I learned that 40some children have gotten well and are no longer living with Autism by doing a careful MMS protocol, that gave me a hint. The photo of little kids sticking their feet in an MMS bath and drinking MMS, gave me a hint it can't be all bad. As a norm, they all have Lyme, toxic metals, and parasites. And when Dr. K. suggested I start with enemas for absorption of MMS in the colon, citing my stressed liver, I was ready.
I am going back to my 3 drops MMS tomorrow as I did today, without a hint of problems, and hope that eventually there is not a molecule of mercury/lead left for Dr. K. to find when testing. I dumped enough biofilm and parasite debris and am happy to say farewell to all.
Like you, Dan, I have a safe stash of MMS. In talking to the ReikiRanch yesterday, I was told they had mailed close to 50 books, forgot last week or month, worldwide. My friends in Germany have trouble buying MMS. Pharma is as busy there as it is here.
I work on the basis that not all people are crooks telling lies. Yes, I take Borax when I test for it and showed a minus in my last mineral test, and yes, I take Diamotateous Earth because it makes sense and is also common on the MMS protocol. It takes care of several things as well as parasite larvae.
Research - plenty of it - more than I am interested in is listed in Humble's book.
By the way, that man Humble has done more good deeds around the world than all of us together.
Take care.
Posted by Carol in PA (Member # 5338) on :
From what I can see, you can read an explanation of why Jim Humble changed the formula and directions for usage. I don't know if this treatment works or not, but I would read everything about it that I could before ever trying it.
======= Okay, I just looked some more and found Jim Humble's earlier book, which has the "search" feature, so you can read some of it online.
Yes, MMS works, whether you. Hiker, are against Humble's science and his invention or not. I for one am extremely happy with MMS and so glad for the many people it is helping.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
birdie67,
I just noticed your post and am sorry I missed it before. Please get the book first and I will be happy to privately send you what I am doing. It is important that you get the updated protocol in the book with the blue cover, 2012 edition, "The Master Mineral Solution of the Third Millennium". It has been found that the updated protocol by taking much smaller and multiple doses during the day works a lot faster than the older version of 2 or 3 larger doses a day. But I will gladly tell you how I do it. You can reach me [email protected] Please identify yourself clearly when you do. I do not do PM here.
Take care.
Posted by MattH (Member # 30846) on :
GiGi,
Thanks for the direction. I have the first book and when I restarted, I was using the older protocol. I will also get the new one. I have noticed that the MMS keeps my CPN cough down. Two weeks on MMS is not long enough to really determine too much but the cough has lessened in severity and frequency.
I have my second session with a Dr K trained practitioner today. So it should be good.
All the Best, MattH
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
MattH, hope your practitioner tests you also for parasites/lungworm/varestrongylus klapowi. I am familiar with that cough and cause. I am very pleased with effects of MMS and only sorry that I did not know as much about it as I do today -- it would have been a good thing for my husband. Please post when you can.
Take care.
Posted by anuta (Member # 22646) on :
I have received the MMS drops yesterday and tested it with my Biotensor. It tested highly positive for all my family. Me and my husband have Lyme and my daughter doesn�t. I presently test positive for microscopic parasites in the intestine and Erlichia in my spleen.
MMS tested highly beneficial for all of us. I was actually surprised for my DD, but she has a gastro right now, so maybe its that.
I will start it this week. I think I will start it in enemas and then take the drops orally. I�ll keep you posted on what will happen.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Annuta, be certain that you read at least portions of the book. Stay away from pineapple and citrus fruits, all antioxidants, Vitamin C, CoQ10, Vit E. Start with no more than 1/8th drop. If you have questions, because you do not have the book yet which answers most everything, let me know. Juices without added Vit C are fine. I have no problem taking my ounce every hour with 3 drops and only put it in distilled water without any juice.
5 minute retention of enema is long enough to give colon/mucosa chance to absorb MMS which is the purpose of the enema. It distributes quickly through the body.
Do not do coffee enemas - is what I was told.
Talked to Reiki Ranch again yesterday and was told it took them 2 years MMS, now age 84, on the old protocol (too much time between higher doses) to get rid of LYme they had been suffering from for nine years not knowing what it was. Low doses at hourly intervals for 8 eight hours works better. I carry mine in the car when I need to, with my timer and shot glass, so I will not forget.
Everything is a learning process, especially with Lyme. I know Dr. K. adjusted his protocol ongoing -
Isn't it great to see that tensor get excited!?
Take care.
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
Gigi,
Thanks for the youtube posting about TB and MMS. Interesting that they tried it on one person and it worked.
I am not against MMS, if used safely. I just know how many people jump into something and think more is better.
I also know how often "new miracle" cures come along that really don't work. Just being cautious.
Have a good day.
Hiker53
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Posted by lymewarrior03 (Member # 3891) on :
!!!!!!!!!! dangerous !!!!!!!!!
Posted by Hmm... (Member # 39308) on :
Bunch of BS. Reminds me of televangelism of the 80's-90's.
Thrice removed anecdotes of a handful of people getting better hardly proves the efficacy of MMS.
Lots of people getting stomach aches from it just proves that it gives you a stomach ache.
Just because it makes you ill doesn't mean it's a herx.
Posted by lymewarrior03 (Member # 3891) on :
exactly
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
I have no clue what you are disucssing here - I am guessing it is a negative.
Hiker, the reporting doctor did not say that they treated only one patient. In fact they have treated many, many. Successfully. Just as they have treated many, many others all around the world. The Humble book has been translated into several languages and I read messages from every part of the globe.
The is the century of the internet and the good word gets around.
Thankfully, we still have a choice and can do whatever we are comfortable with.
It would be nice, however, if dirty language and accusations of a strange sort were not used on a board of this kind. Most everyone coming here does it with the best of intentions. At least I am.
Take care.
Posted by Carol in PA (Member # 5338) on :
Hmm said, "Bunch of BS." Gigi, BS is shorthand for bull shi#.
. To Hmm, This is unkind. The rest of your post makes sense, and can be applied to any treatment.
Have you had the chance to look up the books at Amazon.com and read them online? I read parts, and found it interesting.
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
Gigi,
I relistened to the youtube you posted about the chemist in Sonora who worked with MMS. He only mentions one TB patient in the prison that he cured. Perhaps there were others, but not in this particular video. He did mention getting rid of an amoeba parasite infection in someone, too. Not a lot of detail in this particular video. Food for thought.
Hiker53
Posted by psr1 (Member # 22957) on :
Hi all: I am trying to contact some Lymenet frequent posters: I am looking for a way to contact Gigi in particular: Gigi, if you see this, can you im me? Thanks-Pam