This is for some of our recent discussions on neck pain. I took some Calm magnesium powder in some liquid last nite, and my tight neck muscles relaxed! Went from rigid to flaccid! The company is called Natural Vitality.
So, all that stretching and massaging for them when what they really needed was something biochemical.
This will inspire me to continue to look at biochemical interventions.
Posted by Carol in PA (Member # 5338) on :
Robin, good for you!
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
Yes, you are the one usually recommending magnesium in your recommended list of supplements.
I want to up this once more, since we have had discussions here with those of us with bad necks - that's my question - whether others with tight painful necks have tried magnesium.
It was my first symptom - sore neck and shoulders 10 weeks after a known tick bite.
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
sore neck is one of the most common sx...i was listening to tom grier(a lyme researcher who had lyme himself) talk over the weekend and he mentioned it getting well with treatment
i have heard llmds who ask that question first and say it is (almost) diagnostic of lyme. alone with fatigue and migrating pains.
on mag:
i have used mag tab sr since 99-it was recommended by the dr b . i take 2-4 a day depending on cramping . i have taken it so long it is like my multi or morning coffee(yeah...i know)
but i had to stop it the other day for a bone density test. i could not believe the amount of pain that came back. i had stopped all supps with mag or calcum in them.
i had been walking with a cane the day before and had to go to test wieh walker and i looked like i had aged 20 yrs and i am 63.
right after the test-in the car i took the supps and with in anhr started to feel better. but when i wwoke up in the night-i was again -unable to walk and even this morning i am needing the walker as i get the reat of the supps in
there have been times in the past when i run out of my magtab and have to take some mag from the drugstore...it usually doesnt work well. i did find something called Slow-Mag once that was better but not as good as mag tab. i did learn the oxides are not good and the citrates are better.
the mag tab ssys it is a dihydrate and on the lablel it says it is "unsurpassed in absorbtion" and the only sustained release for 12 hrs
i dont always believe labels or any other markerting stuff but i know it has worked well for me for almost 15 yrs...you have to buy it online or phone now i guess. google Mag-Tab SR
also-stiff neck was one of my major sx too...but i had a whiplash injury before being dx with lyme(i now know i had lyme when i got the injury-but it was undx and untx)
so when i began tx i didnt see the stif neck as a sx but with tx it improved. it has never completely gone away but i had a second whiplash later and my cervical verts are messed up
mag that you can absorb is really really impt---probably the powser is easier to absorb
there was some talek and i think even aprotocol to stop mag because it feeds the Bb...but even it if does i cant function without it-cant even take care of myself
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
Re the idea of not taking mg because it might feed the bacteria, well, how about our end of it? I'm reading that it's needed, not just for ATP energy, but also for 300 enzymes to function!
Do you know, or does anyone know, whether we're supposed to take some Ca and K too once we get our mg levels replenished?
I'm also finding I can't overdo it on mg or I just feel sick the next day - small amounts of mg powder are all I can handle.
Posted by Carol in PA (Member # 5338) on :
Robin, I've read that eating food high in calcium can reduce the amount of magnesium you absorb, if taken at the same time.
Once the minerals are in your body, there is a constant flux as the hormones and kidneys balance the amounts that are circulating.
If you don't have enough magnesium available, the body draws calcium from the bones to compensate, as the cells need it.
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
Robin: what dose did you start with?
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Wish I could stand the FIZZ of the Calm. Do they have any that don't fizz?
Posted by Carol in PA (Member # 5338) on :
Tutu, the mag calm only fizzes when you first pour hot water into the cup with it. Once that calms down, it's not fizzy at all.
I like the lemon flavor the best, and even though it has stevia, I add some sugar to sweeten it properly. Heh, I know. Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Ever since I was told that I had Fibromyalgia - I was told to take magnesium, magnesium, magnesium... I wished it helped me but it hasn't. I can take it or leave it. I don't notice much of a difference.
I was thinking about it & there should be some kind of balance between all of these minerals. They add extra calcium to alot of things these days - milk, juice, etc. Maybe it changes the balance of minerals? I'd have to study it further...
Then, there's sodium & potassium. I think vitamin K fits in there some place, too.
Anyway, someone told me about Jigsaw magnesium. They said they heard it was very good. Anyone try it?
Myalgia, or muscle pain, is a symptom of many diseases and disorders. The most common causes are the overuse or over-stretching of a muscle or group of muscles. Myalgia without a traumatic history is often due to viral infections. Longer-term myalgias may be indicative of a metabolic myopathy, some nutritional deficiencies or chronic fatigue syndrome.
The most common causes of myalgia are overuse, injury or strain. However, myalgia can also be caused by diseases, disorders, medications, or as a response to a vaccination. It is also a sign of acute rejection after heart transplant surgery.
The most common causes are: Injury or trauma, including sprains, hematoma Overuse: using a muscle too much, too often, including protecting a separate injury Chronic tension Muscle pain occurs with: Rhabdomyolysis, associated with: Viral Compression injury Drug-related, esp fibrates and statins, occ ACE inhibitors, cocaine, some retro-viral drugs Severe potassium deficiency Fibromyalgia Infections, including: Influenza (the flu) Lyme disease Malaria Toxoplasmosis Dengue Fever Hemorrhagic fever Muscle abscess Polio Rocky Mountain spotted fever Trichinosis (roundworm) Auto-immune disorders, including: Systemic lupus erythematosus Polymyalgia rheumatica Polymyositis Dermatomyositis Multiple Sclerosis (this is neurologic pain localised to myotome)
Encephalitis (from Ancient Greek ἐγκέφαλος enk�phalos �brain�,[1] composed of ἐν �in� and κέφαλος �head�, and the medical suffix -itis �inflammation�) is an acute inflammation of the brain. Encephalitis with meningitis is known as meningoencephalitis.
Symptoms include headache, fever, confusion, drowsiness, and fatigue. More advanced and serious symptoms include seizures or convulsions, tremors, hallucinations, and memory problems.
Signs and symptoms
Adult patients with encephalitis present with acute onset of fever, headache, confusion, and sometimes seizures. Younger children or infants may present irritability, poor appetite and fever.[citation needed]
Neurological examinations usually reveal a drowsy or confused patient. Stiff neck, due to the irritation of the meninges covering the brain, indicates that the patient has either meningitis or meningoencephalitis.[citation needed]
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Bacterial and other
It can be caused by a bacterial infection, such as bacterial meningitis, spreading directly to the brain (primary encephalitis), or may be a complication of a current infectious disease syphilis (secondary encephalitis).
Certain parasitic or protozoal infestations, such as toxoplasmosis, malaria, or primary amoebic meningoencephalitis, can also cause encephalitis in people with compromised immune systems.
Lyme disease and/or Bartonella henselae may also cause encephalitis. Cryptococcus neoformans is notorious for causing fungal encephalitis in the immunocompromised. Streptococci, staphylococci and certain Gram-negative bacilli cause cerebritis prior to the formation of a brain abscess.[citation needed]
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Don't mean to over-complicate things but I just wanted to know more about the causes of it. If it's being caused by some kind of brain inflammation - maybe there's a way to treat that?
I've been looking into some anti-inflammatory supplements like tumeric+piperine & ecklonia cava.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Also - this is pretty interesting...
You can get a hair test for about $70 to see if your minerals are balanced...
Might be worthwhile?
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
Lax mom - I think I took a lot the first day, as I saw it was relaxing my muscles. I was tired the day after.
I've been experimenting with dosage the last couple days. My body doesn't like me taking a lot - I get too tired. So, haven't had time to finalize the right amount, but I think I'm headed toward doing a little bit in the late evening time.
After a half week or so, my neck and shoulder muscles are definitely softer, and I think that's a good idea, re circulation!
Posted by Larae30 (Member # 35220) on :
I love Natural Calm. I don't think it's fizzy?
Posted by Leonardjio (Member # 32906) on :
quote:Originally posted by sparkle7: Also - this is pretty interesting...
You can get a hair test for about $70 to see if your minerals are balanced...
You are so right, its more than worthwhile, its a necessity: In order to know what (s)he is doing a dr. should always order a number of blood tests (or hairanalysis) to rule out any deficiencies on minerals, vitamins and trace minerals, otherwise it is just like aiming in the dark.
Posted by faithful777 (Member # 22872) on :
I have tried the calm mag several times as it is recommended by my LLMD, but it makes me sick to my stomach.
I take source naturals magnesium malate and do okay with that.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Larae30: I love Natural Calm. I don't think it's fizzy?
- OH.. Carol mentioned lemon.. maybe that was what bothered me. I can't do lemon either.
Are all of them sugar free? I tried it about 10 yrs ago when it first came back. I hated it.
I may look into this again. Thanks!
--editing-- It contains citric acid. That's a definite NO for me. Dang.
Posted by Dogsandcats (Member # 28544) on :
I like Calm. It seems to be one of the few supplements that I can notice a difference.
I laughed at the picture of TuTu and the fizzy tickling her nose......LOL
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I guess my point was that if something is causing neck pain - maybe address that... (?) If it's being caused by a pathogen we need to try to figure out what it is. Myalgia & Encephalitis both have neck pain as a symptom.
Trying to balance out the minerals is not that simple. If we take one, the others can be out of whack. It's not bad to focus on one - but we don't really know what we actually need unless we get some testing or try dowsing, etc.
It probably changes from day to day.
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
Speaking of fizzy Calm, I set the cup down, which still held a little of the extra mix, and the next time I glanced at it, there was this white meringue top running over the edge! I felt lilke I was back in school doing a chem experiment!
Just goes to show we're all different in what we handle.
Sparkle, I think my neck problems are a constant. The only treatments I've ever gotten to make a difference are oral clindamycin abx, turmeric powder in capsules, and the most dramatic one being the Calm mg, for which I'm trying to find a minimum helpful dosage.
I agree with you re supplements - I don't really know anything at this point re the others, other than the fact I also take Ultra Body Toddy, a multi mineral/vitamin supplement.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dogsandcats:
I laughed at the picture of TuTu and the fizzy tickling her nose......LOL
= I wish that was the only problem.. it's what fizz does to my esophagus that is the problem. And citric acid is even worse.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Yes, I've had a pain in the neck for a long time... When I think back - if I recall correctly, I even had it in the 1980s when I was diagnosed with CFS. That's why I was thinking it's some kind of myalgia or encephilitis.
Whatever works is good. Do you take the tumeric with piperine (black pepper)? It's supposed to help with absorption. I'm looking into trying it soon.
I just saw this today...neck pain is what I have every day. In the last year or two I have "cycles" of REALLY stiff/painful neck -
It is not the same stiff neck feeling like when you've pulled something, or slept on it wrong - but like a "sick" stiff neck - a really "deep" achey stiff neck...
I have thought it was the lyme...this solidifies it for me.
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I wish that was the only problem.. it's what fizz does to my esophagus that is the problem. And citric acid is even worse.