- MAGNESIUM LINKS (with other relevant minerals welcome, too)
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Another "links set" so I can just post the link to this thread and not all of this when refering to how fabulous magnesium can be.
Much thanks to CarolinPA for her guiding me on this topic, supplying some of the best links and consistent reminders for many.
I will clean these up later but had to get this started. Others are welcome to add important links, too. Please. You are cordially invited to do so.
Questions of major discussion are best to be in their own thread though for full attention. A link to such threads might be good to be placed here though, for reference and continued learning.
Magnesium: Meet the Most Powerful Relaxation Mineral Available - by Dr Mark Hyman
A DEFICIENCY IN THIS CRITICAL nutrient makes you twice as likely to die as other people, . . . - ------------ From CarolinPA's past posts: ---------------------------
There are some good brand of liquid magnesium. Cardiovascular Research (brown glass bottle) is one.
If you buy liquid (anything) it's best in GLASS rather than plastic.
Magnesium citrate (as in NaturalCalm power you put in water) is best 3 x a day.
Some like magnesium glycinate better. Citrate and Glycinate have slightly different effects so if one causes too loose bowels, switch to the other form.
Never take the full day's dose of magnesium at one time as that can stress the kidneys. It should always be taken 2 - 3 times a day and,
yes, on a daily basis. Magnesium helps the liver, helps nerve fibers . . . and so much more. It's one of the best support supplements for lyme treatment.
You would take it to bowel tolerance, some take about 200 mg 3 x a day -- but many do better with up to 1,000 mg - or even 2,000 mg a day (especially those with neurological issues).
Take up to the point of loose bowels and then back down a bit.
Calcium and other minerals need to be in balance, too. Hopefully, your LLMD has advice on brands.
[ 08-08-2013, 03:40 AM: Message edited by: Keebler ]
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- TAURINE links to come
(but that might take a while as I don't have one yet compiled. I thought I did. But that's not going to happen soon). Hope others might post some good detail about this essential helper for our nervous system and vision.
For a start, though, anyone who is vegan or vegetarian MUST supplement TAURINE.
Consult with LLMD, LL ND, though, in case there are issues with MTHFR / methylation. This would need to be done in a specific way if those are in the picture. -
[ 06-07-2013, 02:34 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- LymeToo just posted this excellent link in another thread. Wanted to be sure to have this here for future reference, too:
LITHIUM OROTATE -
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- When testing levels: INTRACELLULAR MAGNESIUM is what would be checked, not serum levels.
When considering herbal / nutritional / adjunct methods:
if at all possible - because each person & each case is different - it's best to consult with an ILADS-educated LL ND (lyme literate naturopathic doctor) (or similar) who has completed four years of post-graduate medical education in the field of herbal and nutritional medicine -
- and someone who is current with ILADS' research & presentations, past and present, and has completed the ILADS Physician Training Program (see: www.ilads.org )
Many LL NDs incorporate antibiotics (depending upon the licensing laws in their state). Some LLMDs and LL NDs have good working relationships.
When possible, it's great to have both a LLMD and LL ND and even better when they have a long-standing professional relationship.
Integrative / Holistic M.D., etc. (Be aware that those in this category can have various levels of formal herbal &/or nutritional education, perhaps even just a short course. Do ask first.)
Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees who all have this basic approach in common:
Understanding of the importance of addressing the infection(s) fully head-on with specific measures from all corners of medicine;
knowing which supplements have direct impact, which are only support and which are both.
You can compare and contrast many approaches.
BASIC HERBAL EDUCATIONAL & SAFETY links,
BODY WORK links with safety tailored to lyme patients,
LOW HEAT INFRARED SAUNA detail,
BIONIC 880 (& PE-1) links, and
RIFE links. -
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
Just wondering why you are always pushing taurine.
Excess taurine can cause many problems including arthritis, liver or heart disease.
Excess taurine can develop from certain detox pathway problems like the CBS mutation.
Some people actually need to lower taurine.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Taurine DEFICIENCY can cause all kinds of trouble. Many with lyme are deficient in many nutrients (for various reasons).
I'm not pushing excess anything - just to learn more and to be sure there are not deficiencies at work. Deficiencies can cause severe problems, including heart and vision issues.
The toxicity from lyme zooms the NMDA stuff to the moon, very excito-toxic. Magnesium & Taurine are often low in such a case and, when balance is corrected, many symptoms improve.
For anyone who is vegan or vegetarian, supplement taurine is vital for heart and vision protection.
I also suggest consulting with a LL ND so that professional advice guides individualized treatment.
It's not about pushing or avoiding anything - but finding what each person needs. I do push education, though, and getting professional consultation when at all possible to find the correct BALANCE. -
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
Can you teach us more about how the amino acids work together then?
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- No. I can't. That's a pretty major task. I don't have a links set collected, though hope later to add to what's here. Others may come along with good articles, too.
And the magnesium links above do go into balance with other nutrients. It's good to search the citations and authors of those articles - to see what else they've written about nutrients.
Still, as each person's needs vary, if you can get a LL ND, that can be so beneficial. And if you can't, many LL NDs articles and books are posted in that set. Those are the best places to begin learning more. -
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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Pocono Lyme just posted this discussion thread and article:
Researchers discover mechanism by which magnesium reduces cytokine production
Researchers at Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine recently discovered the mechanism by which magnesium reduces the production of cytokines.
Cytokines are molecules responsible for regulating inflammation; they play a key role conditions, such as diabetes, obesity, atherosclerosis, asthma, and alcoholic liver disease and cirrhosis.
Although the study related to pregnancy, inflammation is the culprit of many conditions and learning more about individual's magnesium levels may help a much broader patient population.
In a study published in The Journal of Immunology, the laboratories of Helene Bernstein, MD, PhD, and Andrea Romani, MD, PhD, reported
that magnesium decreases inflammation by reducing the activity of cells' primary protein, Nuclear Factor Kappa Beta (NF-kB), and the subsequent production of cytokines.
This new insight offers a promising new immunotherapeutic strategy by which a simple nutrient, known to be safe based on its extensive usage in obstetric settings,
can decrease inflammation in diseases other than pregnancy, including in other sepsis, respiratory distress syndrome, asthma, atherosclerosis, diabetes and cancer.
The cost of all of these diseases in the United States exceeds $200 billion annually.
Continued on Next page >> -
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Thanks to Pocono Lyme for this excellent article:
Thank you very much! If anyone has anything else to add I'd love to hear from you.
Posted by OtterJ (Member # 30701) on :
I had some Volcanic Mineral Refresher water today while I was out doing errands. It is produced in Ashland, Oregon, and has about 15% magnesium in it. It was a huge bottle, glass, and chilled and it tasted good. I wish I had my own natural spring to take this out while I'm driving with the crazies, I felt calm while navigating busy traffic. I also supplement with magnesium glycconate. I think I'm covered.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I've been on this magnesium product for about 5 wks. It is astounding!! I've taken mag supplements for more than 10 yrs but have never had the results I desired.
[ 10-04-2014, 03:58 PM: Message edited by: Lymetoo ]
Posted by Shiela (Member # 28681) on :
@Lymetoo. How is Re-Mag better? What does it do for you that other magnesium didn't do?
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
It evidently GETS INTO THE CELLS where it belongs! My muscles are relaxed, I'm relaxed, my gut "moves"... it's awesome.
Posted by Roxxxy (Member # 15297) on :
Does anyone have a coupon code for Remag? I noticed it in the check out process. It may not be valid right now anyway since it seems it is on sale for $29.99
Thanks, Roxy
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
I don't think I'll be able to read through all of these.
Does anyone mention magnesium oxide? I get a huge headache from this stuff. Does anyone else get a headache?
Which is considered the best one? Sorry if you already posted that.
[ 08-05-2013, 11:33 PM: Message edited by: Haley ]
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Josh Tutu, the price on that little bottle? How long does that bottle last you. Just looked up and seen your 3 mths post. That's affordable.
I was taking MagTab timed released from Roche $$$ for several months. Didn't notice a difference. Starting looking for sub and decided to try Swanson brand Mag TSR. Very affordable at 200mg twice a day. Didn't lose anything from dropping Roche brand.
It is just so hard to decide where to spend your money? But having relaxed muscles? OMG, it's been 15 years since my muscle were relaxed.
I only have relaxed feeling every 2 weeks when I have body work done. Even then it only last for maybe a day and bam the bad guys take charge again.
Pam
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I think it was $38 with shipping?? It's liquid. It gets directly into the cells. The first bottle lasted me 3 months. The second one may only last 2+ months.
So at the very MOST, it would cost less than $20 a month. It seems that once you get going, your body wants MORE. I think it will level off in a few more months though from what I hear on the Facebook Magnesium Advocacy Group.
Great info there!
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
Liquid sounds good. Some days, I look at my pile of supps & vits otherwise known as horse pills and say no thank you. I might choke( or croak) on them.
I already have the largest pill organizer by day/time of day I could find.
tutu, there's a lot of stuff in the ingredients in re-mag, other than magnesium.
It can be used in kids, but that list is disconcerting.
What do you think?
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I was told it is simply ALL of the ingredients in the salt it comes from. They have to (by law) list what is in the salt.
All salt contains those ingredients.
Let me ask on the other forum about kids. I'm not sure. I would say it's fine, but I don't know.
Posted by 2roads (Member # 4409) on :
thanks tutu.
Also, if someone is deficient, can they make it up and then stop?
I would not want him to have to take this forever.
What would be the endpoint? Symptom improvement, maybe?
Posted by 2roads (Member # 4409) on :
I just came back from our local organic grocery.
They are ordering me Soloray Magnesium Glycinate.
It says 4 capsules daily.
Is this a good product, brand and type?
I am hoping it will help constipation as well as jerks and flutters of my son's extremeties. The only thing is, I think it's nerve damage more so then muscle issues, a permanent side effect.
Not sure if it will help or not.
I would give him one pill a day, and work up to two....no more, as four is an adult dose.
I guess I would keep him on it for a month and see if there was any improvement? It's not something I want him to take forever.
Any wise thoughts?
Thanks,
2roads
Posted by 2roads (Member # 4409) on :
ps- would it be taxing at all to his liver or kidneys?
thanks
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
A quality mag product should not tax the liver or kidneys unless either one is already compromised. Mag oxide is the one that is hard on the kidneys.
Solaray is highly respected and glycinate is very good!
It may take several months for his body to begin to respond to the mag if he is deficient. I'll be back later with the link for testing. Maybe you would want to get his levels checked.
Do not ask your Dr to check the mag.. that test is not a good one.
There is an "RBC test" which only costs $50 and is the best test.
Posted by 2roads (Member # 4409) on :
Referencing Dr Carolyn Dean (see above)... This was posted by someone on Facebook:
"Thank you Dr. Carolyn Dean and ReMAG! My husband has hypomagnesemia. He has had a picc line for over 7 years and required 4 grams of IV magnesium 3 times per week up until September of this year. We have been everywhere including the Mayo Clinic and told that there was nothing that they could do. The next step was to be a port.
In the past 2 years he has had 3 life threatening events as a direct result of the picc line (blood infection and on 2 different occasions blood clots). In September the picc line came out for good as a result of another blood clot. We took a giant leap of faith against all of his doctors advice and he started on ReMag under the guidance of Dr. Dean.
The results were immediate, his magnesium levels are testing higher on ReMag than they did on weekly infusions. We are forever grateful to Dr. Carolyn Dean and her commitment to helping others.
My husband now has a quality of life he was told was not possible! And thank you to this facebook page for the ability to read and share as we all learn more about the benefits of magnesium!"
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Mg is normally attached to our ATP (energy carrier) as Mg-ATP2.
Unfortunately the cells that are infected are making too little ATP (which is the goal...restore ATP levels).
The cells are functioning via glycolysis...making 2 ATP in the cytoplasm rather than an additional 36 ATP in the powerhouses (mitochondria) because lyme disease triggers mitochondrial dysfunction.
And get this...
Get this (2013 cancer research):
Preferential *transfer of mitochondria* from endothelial to cancer cells through tunneling nanotubes modulates chemoresistance.
BTW..p8 and B-catenin overexpression is associated with many cancers.
It would appear influencing the infected cells' transcription might be key.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by lymeinhell: Fix your mag levels and everything else follows.
- That is why ReMag has been so important to me. No other Mag supplement has helped me before like this one. Was still suffering even after years of taking mag glycinate and others.
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
You CAN (sort of) bypass the digestive system and apply topical Ionic MgCl.
Liquimins makes it. Small blue glass bottle. One eye-dropper full (applied anywhere on skin) = 200mg. We DO absorb things thru our skin.
B6 works well with Mg...the active form of B6 is called PLP/P5P. Some people can't PROCESS enough of B6 to its active form (my son - genetically = glutamate triggered pyridoxine dependent seizures). PLP/P5P FOR HIM (50mg daily) is working (no seizures/"near misses". Rx's caused many harmful side effects...fatty liver, etc.
B6 is needed to convert glutamate (accelerator - toxic at high levels) to GABA (brake) = the brain "workhorses".
Thought you should know the Mg+B6 connection...synergy...and this combo. is recommended for kids with ADHD and autism too on several legit. websites.
Posted by faithful777 (Member # 22872) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lymetoo: I've been on this magnesium product for about 5 wks. It is astounding!! I've taken mag supplements for more than 10 yrs but have never had the results I desired.
Link too long to post, so look up their single Ionic Minerals and for the magnesium concentrate in the dropper bottle. -
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Someone just posted this on the MAG group on FB...
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Magnesium has saved my life! Last week I was literally at the brink of death. Years of magnesium defiency lead me to nighttime teeth grinding, chronic back and neck pain, fibromyalgia, adrenal fatigue, cardiovascular issues, circulation issues, and many more problems I'm still discovering!!
I had no idea until recently that low magnesium could be the root of this! I'm only 40 y/o, I always taken multivitamins and other vitamins too, I work out, I eat healthy! But my problems just became my "normal", I never complained.
I pushed myself through life in chronic pain, fatigue and sleepless nights because that's just what I do! I never knew the importance of magnesium until 4 days ago.
IT SERIOUSLY CHANGED MY LIFE! I was very much walking around on the brink of death last week, I was too tired to even try to figure out why - so drained of life I just wanted to die. That is the point that 5 or more years of extreme magnesium definincy had brought me to. I had all kind of doctors and blood tests.
No one ever mentioned the importance of magnesium. I'm dancing for joy and so grateful I accidentally stumbled into this answer my mistake in a Google search.
Saved my life! I'm very excited to hear other people's stories. I can't believe that doctors do not ask every patient if they are taking magnesium.
Magnesium deficiency is a PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS. Why is this not on the news? Why isn't EVERYONE talking about it? I'm so grateful to be alive!
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
- It's so nice to see that the collection of articles expands. Thanks to all those who continue to share their personal research.
Stumbled upon this as I was looking to an answer about a certain form of magnesium. Sometimes, it really pays to go beyond that first page of Google "hits" when a question is asked. Good stuff often comes up after all the commercial links.
[Although, there may be a product connection to the link below, it was not overpowering and their footnotes / research citations were listed and varied - always nice to see.]
Much of the detail is in some of the previously posted articles, still, this has a rather nice lay out, it's easy to read and there are many questions answers and various links so that the reader can explore further.
What is Magnesium? How it Functions in the Body. -
Posted by gentle10plus (Member # 45661) on :
When my partner was going through Chemo and radiation therapy for breast cancer we tried magnesium oils topically and found that it irritated the already fragile skin.. We found a coconut oil based product that both applied dermal magnesium and soothed/healed the fragile skin.. It also happens to be at a lower cost than competitive products... see
Kinda begs the question why Mag. is not included on a blood chemistry panel.
Looks like everything else is on the test that is associated with Mag. - just not Mag.
Granted a Chem. Panel is serum - but still....
I had my Mag. levels tested two weeks ago - serum and RBC.
Serum low end of normal. RBC Mag. showed normal - middle of range.
But..reading Dr Dean's info - my RBC Mag should be considered low at 5.2 (range 4.2-6.8) She says should be at least 6. Wow.
Question about Chemotherapy and Mag:
A dear friend just started treatment at M.D. Anderson. I mentioned getting the Mag. levels tested and try to get IV Mag. The family thinks Mag. has been tested - but I have my doubts. Do Oncologists usually order Mag. tests?
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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- ukcarry recommends this brand in a recent thread, having posted:
". . . The Jigsaw magnesium with its sustained release does seem to be more effective in terms of averting foot cramps than when I rely solely on magnesium chloride and glycinate. . . . [end ukcarry post]
over 275 customer reviews here at Amazon - average 4.5 stars - and 10 answered questions
. . . Recommended by doctors such as neurosurgeon, Dr. Russell Blaylock.* . . . includes cofactors
Sold by Jigsaw Health, LLC and Fulfilled by Amazon.
[So that you know this is not from some fly-by-night 3rd party or a warehouse in the middle of nowhere, note who supplies any suppliement / item purchased at Amazon. You can trace and research further detail from the actual source.
And if it says "fulfilled" by either the main party or Amazon, that's good. When fulfilled by Amazon, that means it's already there, ready to ship.
If from mystery vendor or fulfilled by mystery name, that does not hold my trust.] -
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I thought magnesium is better to be avoided before major treatments were done, since it helps build up biofilm. I read about this a few years ago from betterhealthguy, and it seems come from Dr.H.
So should we take magnesium?
**edited name of LLMD**
[ 07-20-2016, 04:10 PM: Message edited by: Lymetoo ]
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- packypacky,
Though you posted months ago, hope you will see this.
Yes, absolutely, if we are deficient, we should supplement with a good quality magnesium that suits our body.
[And / or acquire it from magnesium rich foods or certain concentrated food supplements such as Chlorella which has a nice amount that you can find in charts for that.]
THREE x DAY, though is required - the total dose should never be all at once or even in half. At least 3 x day so that the kidneys can handle it and it all does not just get flushed out. Magnesium cannot be all absorbed at once, that's why about every 8 hours matters so much so as to keep a steady supply in our bodies.
Nearly all the ILADS "minded" LLMDs and LL NDs are on board with that since magnesium deficiency is so very common with lyme and also can cause severe trouble -- trouble that could be avoided.
As your post has turned the thread over to page 2, be sure to go back to page 1 to see good education materials & intracellular testing detail.
And, if you are working with a LLMD or LL ND, ask them for their advice / brand / timing, etc. for your specific protocol. -
[ 06-25-2016, 05:30 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- I'm taking a formula with this included and needed to refresh memory.
Magnesium Ascorbate: 6 Health Benefits of This Form of Magnesium
By Jonna Lorenz - 02 Nov 2014
Excerpts:
. . . Magnesium ascorbate is commonly marketed as a non-acidic source of vitamin C. . . .
. . . According to DrSircus.com: “Massive magnesium deficiencies in the general population have led to a tidal wave of sudden coronary deaths, diabetes, strokes and cancer.
Even a mild deficiency of magnesium can cause increased sensitivity to noise, nervousness, irritability, mental depression, confusion, twitching, trembling, apprehension, and insomnia.” . . .
[poster's note: other forms of magnesium can also be helpful for those symptoms, though, as detailed in links on page 1.] -
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Potassium Sorbate ? (as a preservative in the magnesium liquid I have). In search of an answer, I like to look to
27. Q: Why do you use potassium sorbate in the vitamin D3 spray? Is it a toxic preservative?
A: Potassium Sorbate is considered a natural preservative. It is a result of the reaction of sorbic acid with potassium hydroxide. This is not a toxic preservative. -
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- So much detail here that can be life-saving, and I'm not saying that lightly. I hope everyone will enjoy this exceptional article:
Another good piece on magnesium deficiency and a summary of the bioavailability of different forms of magnesium. So many of us with Lyme disease and other parasites have unhealthy gut symptoms that can seriously jeopardise absorption of magnesium and other key nutrients.
Posted by egc80 (Member # 46507) on :
Hi. So, I've been drinking Natural Calm every night (for about 1 year or so) before bed and it was the only thing that helped my insomnia.
However, just last week my LLMD wanted me to switch to magnesium glycinate. Start with 100mg and work my way up each week until bowel distress then back off.
I've been taking 100mg a couple hours before bed for a week now and I'm having insane dreams. High stress/nightmare-ish/panic dreams that wake me up every night.
I try to go back to sleep but it just keeps happening.
Anyone have any idea? I've googled some and found that this could be a side effect?
I am definitely so drug sensitive. I have to start on tiny, baby doses of everything and have crazy reactions to meds most of the time.
Just wondering if anyone has experience or knowledge with this?
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- egc,
You might copy & paste your question to make your very own thread so you get more replies.
As a links set, people may not be so inclined to look at this thread if they are not wanting to read up on & study links.
I don't know the answer for you but be sure to talk with your doctor about this. Reading through some of the articles might also help.
My first take is that I'd want to go back to the Natural Calm if it helps avoid nightmares.
Good luck. -
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
Admission hypomagnesemia linked to septic shock in patients with systemic inflammatory response syndrome.
2015 - Ren Fail. 2015;37(9):1518-21.
Excerpt:
Conclusion: Patients with SIRS and hypoMg (<1.5 mg/dL) at the time of admission had increased risk of developing septic shock during hospitalization. -
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