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Posted by NJFitnessGuy (Member # 30886) on :
Last week I went to a Lyme Literate ART practitioner, who has been training under Dr. K. for 8 years, and teaches ART classes.

She says that my ART testing came back positive for: Bartonella, Mold, and Cytomegalovirus (in my right eye).

She also came to the conclusion that I am very deficient in Magnesium and Zinc, and am also very sensitive to EMF`s.

She wants me to eliminate EMF`s as best possible and mold asap and treat for HPU/KPU with "Core".

She thought this should be the first step before even starting to treat for Bartonella.

She said I did not show up positive for Borrelia, but didn`t necessarily mean that I don`t have it.

My question is, just how accurate is ART testing?

Is it possible that I never had lyme all these years, but just the Bartonella? When I first tested through Igenix about 13-14 years ago, LLMD`s were not really testing for Bartonella, just lyme, Babesia and Ehrlichia. I did grow up with a lot of cats and been scratched many times by my cats and strays.
Posted by poppy (Member # 5355) on :
I don't think there is any science in this but a number of people on this forum swear by it.

Would not be surprised, though, if you weren't zinc and Mg deficient. You know bart can be acquired by a tickbite too?
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
For myself, I would use it to determine treatment priorities, not verify that you do/do not have a specific infection.
Posted by NJFitnessGuy (Member # 30886) on :
Originally posted by poppy:
I don't think there is any science in this but a number of people on this forum swear by it.

Would not be surprised, though, if you weren't zinc and Mg deficient. You know bart can be acquired by a tickbite too?

Thanks for the reply.

Of course the idea for the past 14 years has been likely that it was a tick bite if I even do indeed have lyme.

I didn`t receive a positive test back then for lyme, Babesia, Ehrlichia, so I do not want to rule out the possibility of this just being Bartonella and not lyme, thus possibly not even being bitten by a tick.
Posted by anuta (Member # 22646) on :
If you trust the practitioner, I would pretty much trust the test results. I test myself, mixing ART and energy testing with tensor and base all my treatment on those tests. I have been doing that for a year, and advanced the most since I started it.

Doing the tests will allow you to see what infection or body deficiencies caused by those infections are to be addressed and what treatment will be sufficient to do that. There is no other methods or tests that will allow you to see that!!!

Borrelia didn't test as a priority? This doesn't surprise me. It might show-up sooner or later. When multiple infections are present(with Lyme it is always the case, I have seen at least a dozen co-infections in me showing up at different times (the famous layers !!!!), your body will test for the once on the surface.

As you treat, and those will be eradicated, the other ones will come to the surface.
Posted by DaveNJ (Member # 17362) on :

i justed started down this road myself. and i supoose more than anything i have tried to have an opne mind. i was told i had babesia which after 7 years i never treated and never had any of the standard sypmtoms. 2 months into treating it looks like that was spot on. i have had some symptoms appear after treating and i have had a few really good days as well...i know realize this infection was part of the puzzle

had the same thing happen with KPU....i am alomts three months in with that....take some time to read my has been very rough...just now getting easier.

Ps...are you seeing a Dr in NJ? curious if we are going to the same woman?

Posted by NJFitnessGuy (Member # 30886) on :

Thanks for the reply. I will be sure to read up on your posts.

What is your treatment protocol for KPU?

Yes, I am seeing a Dr. in NJ. She is Dr. R. Is this the same woman you are seeing?
Posted by DaveNJ (Member # 17362) on :

yup same Dr. i will PM you

Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Dave - what are you treating babesia with?

NJfitness - what are you doing to treat Bartonella, Mold, and Cytomegalovirus (in my right eye)?

Just curious. I'm considering seeing the same doctor. I probably would have went sooner but some other stuff came up that I had to deal with.

I haven't tried ART but I do my own dowsing & it's been pretty accurate. It good to have an objective opinion, though. Sometimes I get a bit biased doing it for myself.
Posted by NJFitnessGuy (Member # 30886) on :

Dr. R. figures the Bartonella treatment can wait until I clear up the other issues first.

First she wants me to take care of the mold & EMF issues all together. There are no meds or supplements for this, but taking care of my living environment.

She thinks HPU/KPU treatment should then be taken care of with "Core" by Biopure and also has me on Re-Mag Magnesium and/or Magnesium Glycinate by Moss.

The Viressence by Biopure should help aid in the eradication of the Cytomegalovirus in my right eye.

After that, I will see what the step for the Bartonella will be.

She is all about Dr. K`s 5 levels of healing and seems to really care about her patients.
Posted by Tracy9 (Member # 7521) on :
Many people swear by it but I saw a Dr K trained practitioner and it was so way off for me, I can't believe I spent $300 on that.

I had a severely infected gallbladder about to burst and pancreatitis, unbeknownst to me, and went in out of desperation with severe abdominal pain. She did not even DETECT ANY ISSUE with my gallbladder or pancreas at all! I ended up in the ER two days later, and in the hospital a few days after that having emergency surgery.
Posted by Indica440 (Member # 39461) on :
i was doing a custom art lyme cocktail and it didnt help at all. hpu treatment made me worse and not better. it didnt get better i just faded out and could not live anymore.
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
I did a custom ART lyme cocktail for three months and I spent over $1000. I was told(correctly I believe) that I had lyme and most of the co-infections. Other tests have confirmed the diagnosis.

However, I never felt better and never even had a herxheimer reaction.

I am now starting the Cowden Protocol.
Posted by beths (Member # 18864) on :
I saw a well respected ART practioner. After being told I didn't have Bart, I resisted treatment and focused on babs. After never getting over the last hump my LLMD put me on rifampin

Viola- getting over last hump. Wish I had started treating Bart earlier [Frown]
Posted by anuta (Member # 22646) on :
As I keep saying - learning ART is the best thing that happened to me during my Lyme escapade.

The problem that I see when you go to be tested by someone is that the results of the ART tests are accurate for that particular moment and not for the past and not for the future.

That's why ideally is to test several times per day, because your body needs, priority to treat, pathogens that are surfaced at the moment changes.

Given that Lyme disease is pathogen's soup - not all co-infections will show-up at once, but it doesn't mean that you don't have it. Later on when other infections go, new ones resurface.

What I'm trying to say here is trustful ART practitioner will be able to help you like no one else could, but you have to do the tests often enough.

Bets: I'm not saying that you didn't have Bartonella, but Rifampin is very wide spectrum abx covering many pathogens at once.

My LLMD was very good, but she based my treatment on my symptoms and told me that rib pain was Babesia and feet pain was Bart- the classical approach.

Doing ART I know now, that yes I had Bab and Bart, but even after those infections went into remission I still had those symptoms remaining , because it was haemomycoplasma that was causing it.

If I was continuing the classical LLMD approach I would probably still thinking that I have very stubborn Babesia or even protomyxzoa (also suggested by my LLMD).

ART allowed me to see what is causing those particular symptoms and the most important thing -how to eradicate it.
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :

How are you addressing the haemomycoplasma? Are you using the DB nosodes for myco and photons?

Posted by lymelisa (Member # 39743) on :
thinking perhaps what arises through ART are the most active and debilitating of symptoms, and lyme may be dormant at the tiime
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
No treatment works 100% for everyone. At least, none that I have seen. I never tried ART (not artemesia) but I use dowsing. Sometimes, there can be "blind spots". Allopathic testing is not always accurate, either.
Posted by anuta (Member # 22646) on :
Hiker: Desbio nosodes didn't eliminate any of multiple myc. strains that I had. I had to order individual nosodes from Hildegard.

Myc. Haemofeelis is the most difficult pathogen to eliminate, even more then babesia. But my tests say that photons + nosoeds are enough to eradicate it. I trust my tests it never lets me down!!!

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