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Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
it really feels like a blob of mucous or biofilm or something is on my eye...i can barely see...then it is gone

opthal said it was focus problem, gave me new glasses-no difference-in fact it has continues to get worse-altho when it is gone my sight is better with the new glasses

anyone else with this...they say blurry vision is a lyme sx

there is a LL opthal in boston but i dont see how i can get to him...what is this????
Posted by Rumigirl (Member # 15091) on :
Don't know where you are right now, but there is a good LL opthalmologist in Westchester. PM me, if you want the info (I hope to clear out more of my inbox tomorrow).
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
is it a woman near where the clintons live? give me the name anyway-and number...i know the area it might be easier than boston
Posted by Shiela (Member # 28681) on :
Can you actually see a blob or is it maybe dry eyes? That can cause blurry vision as well. Dry eyes that make my vision blurry is a Lyme symptom for me. The opthal couldn't do anything for it but give me artificial tears.
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
I get temporary fuzzies, but not from dry eyes.

Sometimes it can last for an hour at a time of frosty vision, but one eye at a time.

It usu feels like a film is on my eye, but I can't wipe it off.
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
the blob is new i have had extremem dry eyes for years. flax seed oil-1000 in the morning helps a lot and when i took doxy 100 a day it helped a lot

i do the tears too...but this blurry is different...much worse and comes and goes when i blink but it is getting harder to blink it away
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
"comes and goes when i blink but it is getting harder to blink it away"

Yeah! Strange isn't it? It's like a glob over the eye, but trying to wipe it away doesn't really work.
Posted by DanP (Member # 7501) on :
i have the same thing and it seems to be in the left eye only....
Posted by hadlyme (Member # 6364) on :
I have the same thing when I'm low on B12. Goes away after a I give myself a shot. This has happen for over 13 yrs now of it coming and then going with more B12.
Posted by JLM (Member # 40747) on :
I have the same issue and my eyes are dry. I use the Refresh Liquigel or Refresh Tears. It doesn't make it go away totally, but my eyes do feel soothed and with consistent application the blurriness and discomfort is reduced.
Posted by jjourneys (Member # 39813) on :
I too have this issue - left eye only - comes and goes.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Originally posted by hadlyme:
I have the same thing when I'm low on B12. Goes away after a I give myself a shot. This has happen for over 13 yrs now of it coming and then going with more B12.

Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
yeah...interesting...and mine is in left eye only too...hmmmm what is it

there was and eyebob here once that i think is an eye doc but im not sure what kind
Posted by hadlyme (Member # 6364) on :
Ok Guys/Gals,
Bringing this up again! So..... my eyes have really been 'filmy' a LOT lately, and I'm living on my B12 shots!

It's the first time ever that B12 will not take it away!

It's like this film covering over my eyes that you can't get 'off'! Comes and goes! Blurry vision when you have it.

Tried alllll sorts of eye drops and sometimes it 'washes' it away. Sort of.

I need to have my annual eye vision test, but not sure if a 'normal' eye dr. would have an answer for this.

The 'film' never collects in the corner of the eye like normal gunk. My eyes are not red or itchy. I don't feel like it's allergy or dry eye.
My eyes are watery if anything.

Tried different makeup, new. Tried getting reading glasses for the blurriness.... it's just strange how the sticky filmy liquid is over my eyes.

Comes and goes too. Late at night worse, then when I wake up worse. Not sure if I've been addicted to eye drops for years and that's the cause? (don't think so? Was once diag with dry eye years ago..).

Any new thoughts on this? Anyone have anything that has worked? Is this like a biofilm layer? I will definitely ask my dr. when I see him again, but not until Jan/Feb in AZ!
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
Worse in the morning for me too.

Sometimes the fuzziness can change with the blink of an eye, creating more frost or less with a dramatic difference.

I take B12 shots as well, but I haven't noticed any correlation to eye symptoms.

I've never used eye drops significantly, so I don't associate my eye symptoms with that. I've always thought of it as a Lyme symptom.

I have not pursued any treatment specifically for eyes so I just put my hope in my Lyme treatment to eventually alleviate the issue. I can't predict the outcome of that however.
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
I had the same problem start in both eyes last year when my lyme sx's hit their worst before diagnosis. The blur is awful, makes everything a frosty haze.

I've worn contacts for years. Switching back to glasses did not change the haze. Sometimes massaging with lubricant drops I could get the film off my eyeball. Definitely not like any mucus or discharge I've ever had before. Thinking back makes me wonder if it's related to biofilm.

I still get it sometimes now, I've been tx'ing since about June. Like hadlyme, I don't get anything in the corners of my eyes. I do get some dry irritation from time to time when I'm having a bart flare. But it seems unrelated to the film.
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
I was able to stop this symptom and all my Lyme eye symptoms (floaters, light sensitivity, eye muscle pain and blurring vision) immediately by drinking mangosteen juice.

I drink the Mango-Xan version as it's the most tart. Found in healthfood stores and online. Xango is the strongest, if you can tolerate it.
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
I still have problem. I think it is getting worse. Ive been thru a lot of stress lately so whole body is in bad shspe.

I dont know if i said this before but an opthalmologist-he was lyme friendly but not LL...he told me to take 1000 mg flax oil every morning for eyes

I do that and i notice a difference. I stay blurry and sometimes goto severe burning in eyes if i dont take it

When i tke it i can work. But i dont think it cures always comes back. But i am.just glad to have some relief
Posted by rowingmom (Member # 41213) on :

• Conjunctivitis, pain in and around eyes, intermittent blurred vision.
Posted by hadlyme (Member # 6364) on :
I have no pain in or around eyes... just blurry sticky film over eyes that come and go.

Thanks for the thoughts everyone.... hope we all can find an answer at some point?!
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
I should also put this out there:

A few yrs ago my current opthalmologist who is not LL told me the blurriness and other eye sx i had was caused by chronic infection. He did not say lyme. He said half his patients have it and all respond posituvely to 100mg doxy a day

I did that for a year and had a huge improvement...but after a year i felt like other lyme sx were getting worse and i thougt the 100 mg a day was so low it was making my left over bb resistant and allowing it to grow

So i stopped it. My eye sx keep getting worse and i only use the flax oil and sometimes otc drops.
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
One more thing...

Last year i went to a famous opthal in boston. I have posted about it on here. He was not LL But he and staff were aware of lyme and assured there was nothing to suggest i had any lyme ineyes

He found one thing wrong and said he could fix it with a painful surgery that required me to be druven back to boston clinic many times

The surgery would not help any of my sx of blurriness

So i didnt get surgery
Posted by hadlyme (Member # 6364) on :
Yes, I think I'm 'seeing' a trend here that our blurriness really is disease oriented.

I will be seeing my dr. in the coming months and will really try and pin point him on why this comes and goes for so many of us. I see the guy in AZ that has his own lab.....

This morning, my eyes aren't as bad, and just really want to know why this comes and goes so much anymore.

It would make sense that it would be a 'biofilm' type of thing, or a lyme, babs, bart, protozoan, type of 'by product' or by-symptom that we're experiencing.

Just another one of our weird things, but sight is nothing to take for granted. I would think allergies if I had the stinging redness to it, but nothing but blurred film stuff... and not 'stuff' that collects! It's weird!
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
Parasite meds have helped my eyes the most. The mucus stuff is completely gone and floaters are almost gone too.
Posted by LisaK (Member # 41384) on :
I have this too although it has gotten less often. . i have no idea whay it's better. probably a combination of all my tx.

mangosteen- sounds interesting and I may try it. dryness has gotten a little better too, but I'm not sure why on that either.

moisture drops no longer help at all.

The only hting I have changed is adding more magnesium and started dringking mineral suppliments that also have in it: amines, noradrenalin support, proprietary lipolysis and thermogenic support, and other herbs in it.
Posted by Phoiph (Member # 41238) on :
I also experienced this symptom, and though it feels like a "film", I don't believe it really is.

One (of several) things that could be at play here is your ability to "accommodate", which means the ability of your eyes to maintain and change focus on objects at different distances at any given time.

This constant, everyday function requires very small muscles in the eye to maintain and/or change the shape of the pupil and lens quickly, the strength and efficiency of which can be affected like any muscles/nerves in your body.

The reason it may "come and go", is because the eye muscles fatigue at times, and have difficulty holding and coordinating and focus. When it occurs first thing in the morning, it can be because the eyes are in a relaxed state for hours overnight in the dark (not required to work), and then take extra time to adjust and come into focus again. Sometimes blinking can temporarily cause the eyes to go back into focus, but it may or may not "hold".

One of the many things that can affect the ability to accommodate is adrenal function (in fact, Dr. Wilson describes a test for adrenal fatigue in his book that measures the ability of the pupil to maintain stability when looking at a bright light in a dark room). And, of course, Lyme itself can cause nerve and muscle weakness, which can be intermittent.

Other things that can affect accommodation are fatigue, fluctuations in blood sugar, drugs/alcohol, neurological conditions, fight-or-flight state, etc.
Posted by hadlyme (Member # 6364) on :
Thanks for more input!
Sounds like I'm not alone in this!

I can 'move' the film around, with blinking and yes, with a clean finger sweeping around carefully on the lower part of the eye. So I can blink some of it away at times. But it's not like the real/gunk that one gets with allergy eyes or eye infections. If that makes sense.

I'll start ramping up my protocol again and see if it will get better. One thing that I had started not to long ago was taking magnesium again.... hmmm... wonder if it had an opposite effect on me, as my llmd says not to take magnesium, but I felt I was getting super low so I took some. He feels that magnesium builds up the biofilm... hmmmm hadn't thought of this connection.
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
I definitely can see the film. Too. But i did have adrenal problemd and i guess they could be coming back
Posted by Phoiph (Member # 41238) on :
If you can definitely see a film (I couldn't), then it could be an imbalance in the makeup of the natural tears.

Tears are made of up of oil, water, and mucous layers, and are produced by separate glands. If your eyes are dry and lacking the water layer, for example, and the majority of the tears are oil and mucous, then is could possibly this could be perceived as a "film".

It is usually pretty obvious to someone when they have dry eyes, as they will be usually be sticky and irritated, or ironically will excessively tear due to irritation...

Dry eyes can be caused by inflammation to the ducts, medications, systemic issues, autoimmune reactions, dehydration, etc. An ophthalmologist can actually test the composition of tears to diagnose.

(I have a background in vision and visual impairments, so am always interested in topics related to this subject...)
Posted by sunman (Member # 23739) on :
Did it start with a flashing white light in the corner of the eye? If so this is it and I've had it for 2 months. The light has gone but not the film.

The vitreous is a gel-like fluid which fills most of the eye. As people age, this vitreous becomes more and more liquefied. The vitreous has loose attachments to the retina, and more firm attachments to the optic nerve. At some point in a person's life, the vitreous liquefies enough to shift position in the eye. When this occurs, usually between age 50 and 70, the back edge of the vitreous will pull forward away from the optic nerve and retina, leading to a "posterior vitreous detachment". This is generally a normal process, although it may happen abnormally early in cases of high nearsightedness or trauma. As the vitreous detaches, it tugs on the retina and optic nerve. This is perceived as a flash of light, similar to a lightning flash in the corner of the vision. It may occur especially with eye movement, since the vitreous moves in the eye. Debris pulled off of the optic nerve and retina are then seen as floaters, suspended in the vitreous above the retina. Sometimes this is described as a cobweb, a net, a string, or a fly over the vision.

These symptoms usually resolve over a period of days to weeks, although some people will continue to see the floaters for a longer period of time. The important thing is to determine that the retina is healthy as the vitreous detaches. This requires a careful dilated examination of the retina to look for tears, or other areas which may be at risk for tearing. A retinal tear can then lead to retinal detachment, if not treated. Thus, people experiencing these symptoms should be examined by an ophthalmologist as soon as possible. (Note, only about 1 in 10,000 cases of vitreous detachment lead to retinal detachment, but it still is one of the most common causes of retinal detachment.) It has been found that the second eye will also develop a vitreous detachment within 1-2 years of the first eye, and this should be examined as well when it happens.
Posted by koo (Member # 30462) on :
Another one here...left eye only. I don't feel like there is a film, only increased blurry vision. Some days it seems worse than others but it is always there.

I definitely see better in daylight. Come nighttime, forget it. Everything is blurry.
Posted by NEMOM (Member # 31370) on :
Add me to the list. Tried new glasses but that didn't help. Eyes get blurry for new reason. Sometimes blinking helps but most times it does not. It happens in both of my eyes.
Posted by Sonatina (Member # 45056) on :
Malassezia yeast would be my strong suspicion.

Malassezia actually may be inhibited by doxy, because it is a melanin-seeking yeast and doxy binds to melanin (which is why doxy causes sun sensitivity; melanin is what protects our skin from UV radiation). Doxy also binds to iron, and all yeast seek iron.

If the blurriness is worse at night, if the symptoms come & go (but fairly often as opposed to long/extended periods in between of no blurriness), and if episodes of [moderate, not dramatic/acute] worsening also occur a few hrs after taking antibiotics OTHER than tetracyclines, this would be consistent with Malassezia.

Malassezia is a very slow growing yeast that is less virulent than candida, but it can still cause issues.

Possibly helpful:
- bilberry tea, which I have read can increase glutathione in the eyes (and it tastes pretty good too, so nothing lost if it turns out not to help);
- castor oil; I've read that it's ok to put a drop in your eyes BUT do not do this without asking your doc to make sure it is safe; I do not know whether it is. Maybe they make a sterile form of some sort that can be used in the eyes?
- consider other dietary changes for Malassezia, which feeds on lipids rather than sugars; see my other posts for details.
- check with LLMD and/or pharmacist to find out which antibiotics have the least penetration into the eyes; that may help avoid any worsening of the problem.

Here's an idea for a home remedy that might give some temporarily relief. Not sure whether this would work but not much downside risk. As always, please discuss w/ your physician before trying.

- cut up some white onions for a while, until your eyes tear up from the onion fumes. Onion contains sulfur which deters fungus ... so perhaps this would affect the yeast and relieve some of the blurriness. Note: this just an idea on my part... don't know whether it would help.

[ 12-11-2014, 10:13 PM: Message edited by: Sonatina ]
Posted by unsure445 (Member # 15962) on :
Did anyone ever find a solution for these eye problems?

I have been having this for a few weeks and it is concerning….

Thank you!
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
When i take 100mg doxy a day my eye sx improve

But i dont like being on it forever...sometimes other lyme sx get worse and i am afraif i am getting resistant
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I am sensitive to foods high in histamine. When I eat something I am sensitive to, my eyes get blurry.

Salicylates also affect my eyes .. I think.

(I'm sensitive to both, so it's hard to tell.)

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