I myself never get it. If you plan on getting it you should talk to your doctors first!
* It may weaken your immune system more * Could trigger a relapse * Some get a allergic reaction
Also be careful of the flu mist - my younger daughter got the mist last year and became very ill, and she doesn’t have Lyme!!!
OPINIONS PLEASE-------Thanks
Posted by gmb (Member # 23562) on :
I also have stayed away from the flu shot since starting treatment. My system is messed up enough, and its not worth the risk.
gmb
Posted by happydaychick (Member # 37799) on :
I'm still having a hard time with this one... I lived in fear of catching the flu last year b/c I did not get the shot. I wanted to walk around with a mask and gloves on (OK, I exaggerate, but anytime someone around me coughed, I covered my face or walked away)
It just seems like getting the flu would be so much harder on a person's body than getting the immunization. Anyone have thoughts on this?
Thanks for posting this question!
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- No way for me. Absolutely no way. A flu vaccine made me very ill over 20 years ago and I've never been the same.
For those drawn to this, however, be sure to get mercury-free and try to avoid the additives. Become educated about the specific vaccine, the manufacturer and all the ingredients. It can take some homework. Then, plan in advance for the support methods that can help better your chances for this working for you.
I wish they would "green" our vaccines. Right now, there are so many chemicals in them that I will never have another one with that kind of mix. -
Posted by steve1906 (Member # 16206) on :
It scares the hell out of me, but I’m also like happydaychick. I try not to go near anyone in the flu season.
I do get my exercise through, I find myself running away from everyone ALL winter!!!
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
Absolutely NOT. I can't tell you how many real stories I know of immune systems going absolutely haywire after a vaccination.
No way.
Posted by birdie67 (Member # 35994) on :
No way!
Posted by Abxnomore (Member # 18936) on :
No way!
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
My immune system is shot and I don't want to get the flu. I will still get the flu shot without preservatives.
Posted by Dogsandcats (Member # 28544) on :
what about the shingles vaccination? I got the hard push my doctor to get it.
I told her why (same as above). She said she would like any literature that supports our view. She is a good doctor and would honestly look at any reports.
Any out there for either?
Thanks
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
No way. They've found aluminum and mercury in these and other vaccines. That's the last thing I need.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
NOPE!
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by lax mom:
I will still get the flu shot without preservatives.
- Those are LIVE viruses in the preservative-free kind. The shingles vaccine is a live vaccine also.
No thanks. My immune system is not that strong.
Posted by faithful777 (Member # 22872) on :
Never!!
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
No flippin way.
The tetanus booster nearly killed me.
The junk in vaccines is inexcusable.
I'd rather have the flu for a week than heavy metals for life.
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
No, I will never get another vaccine ever again...had an allergic reaction to a tetanus shot and that's the last time I'll ever knowingly allow myself to get injected with the garbage they put in vaccines.
The flu shot DOES NOT WORK! It has NOT been proven in trials to actually reduce the incidence of flu.
And ever wonder why flu season starts as soon as the flu shots become available???
Alternatives for those afraid of catching the flu:
Vitamin D3 supplements - 10,000IU/day. It worked for me when I was having problems catching colds/flu and then when I started the Vitamin D3, no more colds/flu.
Oscillococcinum, one capful of the tiny pellets once a week through flu season. This is homeopathic medicine used like a vaccine, but without the toxins and risk of getting the flu from the vaccine. My family has done this for years, and when we do it faithfully, nobody gets the flu.
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
NOT ME !!!!! not ever i am so worried about my new grand daughter coming in oct...i have a feeling her parents will do "what the doc says"
Posted by tricia386 (Member # 29623) on :
No Way!
Posted by birdie67 (Member # 35994) on :
My lyme symptoms came out full force after I got the whooping cough vaccine. My step-daughter insisted we all get it or we couldn't hold our new grand daughter. Of course, I can't prove they are connected but I would bet it pushed my immune system over the edge.
Wish I knew then what I know now!
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
By the way, eating fermented vegetables helps protect you from the flu and other viruses.
Use of essential oils provides protection as well.
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
Thanks Razzle (good ideas)! You too, Lymetoo. Which which essential oils keep it at bay?
Posted by Razzle (Member # 30398) on :
From Essentail Oils Desk Reference (5th ed.):
Influenza:
Single Essential Oils: Mountain Savory Oregano Eucalyptus Radiata Peppermint Clove Melaleuca Alternifolia Eucalyptus Blue Dorado Azul
Essential Oil Blends: ImmuPower Di-Gize Exodus II Thieves Raven R.C. Breathe Again
Stir above oils thoroughly into 1/4 cup Epsom salt or baking soda, and then add salt/oil mixture to hot bath water while tub is filling. Soak in hot bath for 20-30 minutes or until water cools.
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
Thank you Razzle! :)
Posted by beaches (Member # 38251) on :
DD had a very bad reaction to flu shot years ago. Since then, no way Jose will I have the kiddos injected with that crap.
Much, much better to keep their D levels up and supplement what they need to keep flu at bay.
Posted by OtterJ (Member # 30701) on :
I have severe asthma and yes, I will get the flu shot as I have every year. It is necessary as any lung infection could kill me. It is not a live virus like the spray and would not consider taking that. I always ask for non-thimerisol (sp) injection. I am waiting to get up the courage to do the whooping cough vaccine and would prefer to not get the other things with it, but many here do not vaccinate their children and many people do not stay home when they get sick.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I'm thinking this year, to up Vit C and take more Host Defense, which is an immune booster with 17 mushrooms in it.
Posted by steve1906 (Member # 16206) on :
Robin, You're lucky you only get sick for three day. So many people are sick for weeks, even a month or more.
Take lots of Vit C.....
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
Never! I had one flu shot after I thought I was over lyme and the symptoms came roaring back worse than before including mild seizures within one week of the shot.
I will never get another vaccine.
Hiker53
Posted by beaches (Member # 38251) on :
Otter, DD had very severe asthma when she was little (very, very scary) and the flu shot was always recommended and I got it for her for several years until she had a bad reaction to it when she was older (and thankfully the asthma at that point wasn't as bad).
So I really do understand why you need this shot. I had posted a vaccine protocol using homeopathic and vitamins and such awhile ago to mitigate any vaccine side effects. The search function here still isn't working, but when it does, please search "vaccine protocol" and hopefully my post will show up. If not, let me know and I will look through my notes and PM you the protocol.
Before you do the whooping cough vaccine, get your pertussis titers checked. You might very well already be immune to it and can avoid the booster.
After DD had the first DTP shot and had a high pitched cry afterwards. I was told this was a reaction to the pertussis and she could never receive that shot again. Turns out that years later she has immunity to it anyway, so thankfully it's not an issue.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
23 people died during the trials for this year's flu vaccine:
I never get it either. Too risky!!
Posted by Silverwolf (Member # 9196) on :
Hi there <<<<< Steve' and Lyme family >>>>>,
I am in fact fighting the flu right now, no it's not fun.
And no,I will not willingly get a flu vaccine.
A coupe years before my mom passed away, it was insisted she get the flu vaccine, she got it anyway,after the vaccine and became very ill.
Onward I go,fighting this flu bug...
Jus' Silverwolfi here
Posted by steve1906 (Member # 16206) on :
Silver, so sorry about this, did you call your Dortor or LLMD? They may be able to help a little.
I know the flu has to run its Couse, but these may help you feel a little better.
Humidified air helps prevent mucus buildup in your nose and may quiet your cough.
Extra fluids/water, running a humidifier in the bedroom.
Steam is helpful too! Warm tea Fruits and vegetables Vitamin C Fruits and vegetables rich in vitamin C include carrots, cabbage, oranges, blackberries, cranberries, cherries, bell peppers, kiwi, guava, limes, strawberries, tomatoes, papaya, broccoli, kale, chard, spinach and broccoli.
Yogurt
Ginger
Garlic
Protein Adding protein-based foods into your daily diet can help you heal from the flu at a rapid pace. Protein strengthens your immune system by helping your body produce the white blood cells needed to fight off infections. Protein-based foods include lean red meat, fish, skinless and boneless poultry, eggs, lentils, beans and soy products.
And of Couse>>>.Chicken Noodle Soup
Lots of REST!!!
I know it's white, but maybe some of those Idaho potato's.
Feel better!!!
Posted by steve1906 (Member # 16206) on :
Inflammation and the Flu
As the cold and flu season is upon us, it’s time to talk about its causes, and how we can protection our selves from having it effect our lives. Although it’s something we cannot control, I believe there are measures we can take to decrease the impact the flu may have on our bodies.
I for one have always suggested preventative medicine as being the best medicine, like taking vitamin C at the first signs of the change in weather, if you’re not taking it all year ’round. I’m also a huge proponent of a taking a daily multiple vitamin, something I have done ever since I could remember. I’m also a big advocate about the proper amount of sleep. The three items listed above, vitamin C, multiple vitamins, and sleep, I believe, can go a long way in protecting you from not only the flu, but other diseases as well.
Since I’m not a medical doctor or science professor, I’ll leave the explanation of the proper way to protect your self from the flu up to TriVita’s Chief Science Officer, Brazos Minshew.
Important Health News – Protect Yourself from the Flu by Brazos Minshew, TriVita’s Chief Science Officer
About this time of year many people ask me what they can do to prevent the flu or minimize its impact. That has never seemed more relevant than today; so, I will address this with the best science we have available today. I say "today’s best science" because we simply don’t know everything we need to know about preventing and treating the flu. And we need to remember that not all that long ago "current science" said that the earth was flat and diseases were caused by evils spells or dead ancestors.
Many people never get the flu – no matter which strain we are talking about. Do you? When you get the flu, are your symptoms severe? Are there high-risk people living with you? Then your preference for or against preventive measures must take them into consideration. (What if you got it and survived but transmitted it to them and they died? How would you feel?) In any case, 35,000-40,000 people in North America die of the flu each year. It is estimated that this number will double with H1N1.
Flu protection There are three pathways you need to focus on with flu protection – any variety:
Transmission Infection Inflammation Inflammation
We will begin at the ending: Inflammation from the immune system that incapacitates – even kills – people when they have the flu. MOST IMPORTANT: The flu kills people not by transmission or by infection, but by an inflammatory immune system response called the "cytokine storm."
Our immune system is designed to neutralize and excrete any non-self protein it finds. That includes the influenza virus. The size of the immune response needs to be equivalent to the strength of the invader.
Think of this as a building on fire: small fires are extinguished by local fire fighters. Some fires are so big that fire fighters from other departments have to be called in to help. So, fires are designated as "one-alarm," "two-alarm," "three-alarm," and so on. At a certain point, our immune system pulls all of the alarms and immune system fractions from all over our body rush to put out the fire, so to speak. However, this is a case of fighting fire with fire. Cytokines are inflammatory. They kill viruses and bacteria by creating inflammation.
The cytokine storm is responsible for all of the symptoms we feel: fever, body aches, nausea, diarrhea, etc. It is also responsible for filling the lungs with mucous (pneumonia/pneumonitis) which is often the fatal trigger in influenza, SARS, Hanta virus, bubonic plague, etc.
To survive we must modulate the cytokine storm so that it does its job but doesn’t overwork and kill us. We make it work smarter, not harder. So we don’t use Vitamin C or Echinacea or anything that "boosts" the immune system. We use immune system modulators so we get exactly the right response. Quercetin (Betalains in Nopalea are quercetin bioflavonoids), green tea polyphenols (found in Energy Now!) and ginseng (Panax and Eleutherococcus found in Adaptogen 10 Plus) all help balance the body’s immune system and decrease the cytokine storm.
Infection
Prior to the cytokine storm is the infection stage of influenza. The virus infects the cell by matching a cell receptor called Hemagglutinin. Hemagglutinin (the "H" in H1N1) allows the virus to gain entry to the cell and mutate the cell DNA so it can breed an infection. It also allows the newly mutated DNA to be incorporated into surrounding cells and through cell lines. Hemagglutinin describes "infection" with the flu. Two powerful natural bulwarks of Hemagglutinin are green tea polyphenols and ginseng (Panax and Eleutherococcus) found in Super Sublingual B-12.
Transmission
Neuraminidase describes "transmission" of the flu where the virus disarms the immune system with an enzyme. This is the "N" in H1N1, H5N1. Neuraminidase inhibitors like Tamiflu limit the ability of the virus to transmit its DNA strands. Two strong natural Neuraminidase protectors are green tea polyphenols and quercetin (Betalains in Nopalea are quercetin bioflavonoids). It is likely that green tea polyphenols and quercetin will help your body do what it does best: resist infection. Think of them as the first line of defense to arm your immune system and help protect against the flu virus from disarming it. *** End of Article ***
To me, preventative medicine makes more sense and if vitamin C, multiple vitamins, or Nopalea can do one-half of what has been scientifically proven, I believe many people will be protected from the flu, not to mention living healthier and more active lives.
The flu can be extremely dangerous to your health. However, I believe, like so many others, that inflammation may even be more dangerous, because it is related, or the leading cause of so many diseases. And if we can continue to fight inflammation by drinking a product like Nopalea, I believe we can all live longer and healthier lives.
To learn more about fighting inflammation and Sonoran Bloom Nopalea™, click on the previous link.
The flu can be extremely dangerous to your health. However, I believe, like so many others, that inflammation may even be more dangerous, because it is related, or the leading cause of so many diseases. And if we can continue to fight inflammation by drinking a product like Nopalea, I believe we can all live longer and healthier lives.
Thank you, also now I know why TxC' and I are both craving protein, Pineapple and so on!
Nopalitas' where recommended to us a couple of years ago, it seems Nopales cactus can help w/ blood sugars etc. for diabetics.
TxC' just picked some up a couple days ago when shopping. And we still eat potatoes from time to time, even tho' we are no longer in Idaho. We're not in Kansas any more Toto... did I say that? Must be the flu and the brain fog, LD and being up since 3:00 a.m..
Thanks for the info' and ideas, this is an interesting thread.
Jus' Silverwolfi here
Posted by coffee71 (Member # 17467) on :
No way for me.
I got vaccine in 2007 and within several months my health went down the hill and I ended up with not able to walk and Lyme diagnosis.
High doses of Vitamin C has helped me to avoid getting sick with flu so far. I will do the same this year.
Posted by steve1906 (Member # 16206) on :
We all need more Vitamin C
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Where's the LIKE button!?
Stock up on herbals and essential oils for the winter flu season!
"What's truly astonishing about this report is that it admits, in effect, that modern medicine is a failure when it comes to infectious disease. The whole approach of fighting bugs with isolated chemicals was doomed to fail from the start, of course, since Mother Nature adapts to chemical threats far more quickly than drug companies can roll out new chemicals."
Posted by LymeSwimmer (Member # 40540) on :
Not a chance - got very sick the last time I got the shot ~2008. Also I try to stay away from things like tetanus boosters unless absolutely necessary, since those make me fairly ill as well.
Posted by Overwhelmed (Member # 38499) on :
For me it's always been a big fat no. HOWEVER, last winter I did in fact get the flu and it was horrid! The rapid moving symptoms without a doubt caused me to relapse. But aside from the relapse, the flu as I experienced it was in many ways worse than chronic and often debilitating Lyme. So the answer for me this year is, "I don't know." I must protect my kids too. Either way this is not such an easy decision anymore! I've read articles and saw on the news in previous years how serious the flu can be, but seriously just blew it off and thought the flu was blown way out of proportion. Omg, it's SO scary. Let me know if anyone is interested in my symptoms.
Posted by steve1906 (Member # 16206) on :
Overwhelmed---Let me know if anyone is interested in my symptoms.
Sure!
Posted by bonbon521 (Member # 25900) on :
No flu shot. My dad had taken his flu shot regularly through the years. He got a dry cough and was doctoring with a specialist. The specialist sent him to the Hospital for X-rays and had to wait and wait near the ER. A woman came in to wait her turn and complained she was dying and felt soooo bad with flu like symptoms. It was less than a week later my dad came down with respiratory problems. He got weaker and weaker. Then he was admitted to the hospital and we spend 3 weeks of tests telling us dad had a heart attack and then they came back and said he didn't have a heart attack. They gave him oxygen at high doses, high doses of 3 meds that made him hallucinate. He talked with us just like a normal person. After 3 weeks they told us there was nothing more they could do for him and that with the large amount of oxygen that they had given him that there was no way he could leave the hospital with that amount of oxygen. So we said our good byes (he was 82, physically fit). They slowly withdrew the oxygen and he passed away. It will forever be etched in my mind. My husband and I have never had a flu shot. He is 65 and I am 55. We hardly get sick at all. Keep the immune system up, get proper sleep, less stress, eat fruits and vegetables, as little meds as possible, no processed foods, exercise. This all helps.
Posted by CherylSue (Member # 13077) on :
No flu shot. I've relapsed on them. My LLMD said NO. He doesn't get one either.
That said, my non Lyme husband just had a flu shot at Meijer grocery store early this afternoon. An hour later I'm calling 911 as he almost fainted and had a brief spell of vision problems. The ENT's checked him out, and he's okay now, so we decided to forego the trip to the hospital although we will let his regular doc know.
I read the side effects paper Meijer gave my husband. Guess what some of the adverse symptoms are? Fainting, vision problems, etc.
My hubby has been getting flu shots for years. This is the first time he was affected in that manner.
Posted by CherylSue (Member # 13077) on :
For those that do get the flu, see your doctor immediately and ask for TAMIFLU.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Tamiflu has its own dangers.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
quote:Originally posted by steve1906: Overwhelmed---Let me know if anyone is interested in my symptoms.
Sure!
? Do you have the flu now?
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I understand the concept behind getting the flu shot. I do. I also understand the concept of getting the whooping cough vaccine. It's just that as far as I have seen, there is no proof that they actually work!
In recent outbreaks of whooping cough, the majority of the people who got it were vaccinated. The flu vaccine also doesn't have studies proving it's efficacy.
I would prefer to optimize my own immune system.
Posted by steve1906 (Member # 16206) on :
The Dangers of Tamiflu
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Studies Show Flu Vaccines are Also Ineffective and NOT an Ideal Form of Prevention
The Flu Shot Horror Story: How one little shot unearthed my anxiety.
¶ Tagged Anxiety, Conditions and Diseases, couldn't breathe, Health, ignorance, Infectious Diseases, Influenza, Influenza vaccine, October, social construction, United States, VCD, vocal chord paralysis ¶ Leave a comment This post is about the flu shot’s impact on my life, and how it changed the way I see the healthcare system in the United States.
I knew that anxiety had always been apart of my life to some extent. At one point I thought it was normal to have the level of anxiety that I experienced in my daily life. Anxiety runs in my family. Later, I learned that anxiety can stay dormant for a long time until its triggered. And the flu shot is what triggered it.
In 2010 I got the flu shot around October. I walked in around 3:00 pm in the afternoon and got the shot around 3:30 after signing consent forms. Around 3:45 I started feeling short of breath walking down the hallway towards the exit of the clinic. My mom looked at me and asked if I was okay. We ended up leaving and driving home, even though I felt odd.
I remember sitting on the couch with a blanket, gasping for air like a fish out of water. My mom called the help line at the clinic to try and get some answers and I talked to the nurse on the end of the line. She asked me several questions because she suspected that I was having an allergic reaction. “Are your lips swollen?”
“Are you having trouble breathing?” “Do you have a rash?” She hung up. I don’t exactly remember what my dad told me, however I do remember that It was something along the lines of disbelieving that I couldn’t breathe correctly.
When my mom told him that she made an appointment for me that night at the after hours care, he was angry. Trust me, I’m not one to do something to get attention or to be dramatic. I guess it was just easier to draw the easiest conclusion then to look for what what actually wrong.
Basically I ended up going to the doctor’s urgent care office 3 times that week. Meaning that, every doctor I went to was different because the urgent doctors worked after hours and rotated on a schedule.
The first two times I visited I was diagnosed with asthma by two elderly doctors who were wise and knowledgeable. I trusted their diagnose but the inhalers and nebulizer they gave me offered me no relief, and the idea of breathing in medication gave me terrible anxiety.
At my third visit, I was met by a young Asian doctor. She actually spent more then 5 minutes in the room (Yay! Progress).
She asked me where my throat was tight and I pointed to the lower part of my throat. She nodded. Then she asked me to describe my symptoms. I told her it felt like my breath was getting caught in my throat every time I breathed in. She nodded again and smiled. Her diagnosis was something called Vocal Chord Dysfunction.
VCD happens when the vocal chords close at the wrong time and stop someone from getting a full breath. It is not harmful but it can be scary.
I asked her if it was caused by the flu shot and she said there was no proof that it was. But why wouldnt she explain to me why it happened? You cant link a “side effect” to the flu shot unless it is widely reported and proven. Often times, potential side effects are not even reported by health care providers. So, here starts my anxiety and obsessive researching.
I became a hypochondriac, although, to be fair to national health organizations, I was technically predisposed to have an anxiety disorder.
I refused to take medication for fear that I would die from a side effect or something unexplained. I still have problems taking aspirin for headaches. Totally irrational. I researched and researched unexplained deaths relating to the flu shot.
Do you know how many people get the flu shot, and then die soon afterwards for reasons that are unexplained? Its recorded, just not reported. So ignorant America can continue to get the flu shot even though it may cause harm. Critical constructionism at its finest; Health Care Organizations (distributors of medication) help doctors get more moola.
Why would they question something that gets them more money and that is so widely accepted? So they dont, and people continue to get side effects, and the flu shot is never brought up as a problem, only a solution to a problem: the flu. I’m not the first one to have vocal chord problems after getting the flu shot! Heres a man who had his vocal chord paralyzed after the flu shot:
1/100,000 people a year are reported getting it. However, these numbers are suspected to be much higher because many cases are not reported. Anyways, after a couple of weeks the VCD mysteriously went away and… I felt okay again. But my anxiety was still there. I will never get the flu shot again.
I just want to bring attention to the dangers of the flu shot, and any shot! Don’t be so ignorant. Don’t be a sheep that follows the group. QUESTION EVERYTHING. Even something so common in today’s society: the flu shot.
The problems with mercury were known back in the 1930's.
It has taken the CDC and FDA since that time just to START phasing out the mercury in some vaccines, and the flu vaccines still use it!
Posted by beaches (Member # 38251) on :
Wow, TC, I had NO idea that problems with mercury were known back in the '30s!!!
How many here remember picking up those little balls of mercury when the glass thermometer fell on the floor?
Yikes! I must've done that at least 5 or 6 times as a kid. Makes you wonder.
Thanks for starting this thread Steve. Always a good idea to bring this subject up this time of year when flu shots are being pushed at every turn.
Posted by ICEiam (Member # 7519) on :
No, no and no. Our LLMD told us years ago not to
get Flu Shots or immunizations. His advice.
People with Lyme don't generally get "normal" flu
and colds. The immune system is on over drive with
Lyme so it fights the bugs that people that don't
have lyme usually get sick from. That's how it
was explained to me.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by ICEiam:
People with Lyme don't generally get "normal" flu
and colds. The immune system is on over drive with
Lyme so it fights the bugs that people that don't
have lyme usually get sick from. That's how it
was explained to me.
- True for me.
Posted by steve1906 (Member # 16206) on :
Tincup & Beachers, I didn't know this, so I did a little research. Thanks for the info!
Mercury Dangers Known Since the 1930's Archived documents from Eli Lilly & Company recently surfaced as part of a pending lawsuit, clearly showing that the dangers of the Thimerosal product were known as early as the 1930’s — but ignored by Lilly.
Thimerosal, the mercury-based vaccine preservative, has recently been linked to the onset of neurological injury in infants.
According to the documents, Lilly secretly sponsored a “Human toxicity” study in September 1930, which enabled them to get a jump on marketing products that contained Thimerosal. The study was done on patients already known to be dying of meningococcal meningitis.
“Lilly then cited this study repeatedly for decades as proof that ‘Thimerosal was of low toxicity and harmless to humans’,” according to Andrew Waters, senior partner of the Dallas-based law firm, Waters and Kraus.
Lilly never revealed the highly questionable nature of its research to the public or the scientific community; nor did they make public the rising concerns of other researchers, about the potential hazard Thimerosal could have on humans who are either exposed to Thimerosal or have received injections containing Thimerosal, such as vaccines.
Lilly was repeatedly advised that their conclusions were unwarranted, and as evidence showed, Lilly ignored the warnings and failed to pass the information to appropriate federal and public health authorities.
Lilly’s internal documents also showed they ignored reported cases of skin burns that were the result of Thimerosal reacting with vaccines that contain aluminum; as well as ignoring the 1982 advance notice by the FDA, “Thimerosal has been found to be more toxic for human epithelial cells in vitro than mercuric chloride, mercuric nitrate and merbromim. Thimerosal was 35.3 times more toxic for embryonic chick heart tissue than for staphylococcus areus.”
Waters & Kraus is litigating cases throughout the country involving infants who developed neurological damage after receiving Thimerosal-containing pediatric vaccines.
_________________________________________________ Flu Shots: What’s In the Seasonal Influenza Vaccine? Due to the controversy over safety, childhood vaccines, other than the flu shot, no longer contain Thimerosal in the United States. http://www.decodedscience.com/flu-shot-ingredients/24623 Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
my llmd said absolutely no live vaccines (bacteria) are to injected into my compromised blood already overwhelmed fighting off (with limited success) other bacteria.
also, a family member has a blood cancer, and the oncologist said that no one who receives a flu or shingles vaccine can be around the cancer patient for quite awhile after the shot is administered. the live bacteria is dangerous to be near let alone receive. definitely, additional cause for caution and worth talking to your doctor if you have a family member / close friend is being treated for cancer...
Posted by TxCoord (Member # 9204) on :
Every time a nurse at the VA asks me if I want the flu shot I say, "I've got type 2 diabetes, neuropathy, stage 3 kidney disease from herbicide exposure in the Southeast Asia war theater. Don't you think the government has experimented on me enough?"
Then they mark the "declined" box.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
No thanks! Posted by Clint31 (Member # 16420) on :
I got the flu shot last year, it was free. I felt very odd and had an increase in all symptoms after I got it.
And then months later in late January I got the flu anyways. It's insane to inject yourself with the flu virus and my doctor agrees. Stupid. Don't do it
Posted by happydaychick (Member # 37799) on :
Has anyone heard of the homeopathic flu pellets?
Apparently, it is claimed they are "made using the same flu strain identified each year by the CDC, and are powerful preventives that don’t carry the potential side-effects of the conventional flu shot."
A friend's homeopathic doc recommended these as a safe alternative to the flu shot. I'm wondering if its worth taking?? Any thoughts?
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Exactly, Clint. Many who get the shot get sick anyway.
happyday.. yes, I have some of those on hand. Just in case.
Posted by tdtid (Member # 10276) on :
Simple answer from my LLMD. Don't do it. Our immune systems aren't strong enough for it. Not to mention that so much is coming out now about why it may not be a good option for ANYONE.
Posted by steve1906 (Member # 16206) on :
This note is just for informational purposes only:
I have read hundreds of posts online about flu shots when one has Lyme and or Co’s.
It seems like it’s the same old thing, everyone is different.
I have found that some of us get the shot and have no problems.
I have also found that some get it and get very, very sick right afterwards, or shortly after. Most LLMD’s say (no) do-not get it.
Some say get it, if you never had problems in the past.
I think at less 97% of regular healthcare doctors, nurses etc., say get it.
I know we have some members here that work in the healthcare workforce.
Let us know if you have no choose in getting the shot because of your job. I know most, if not all, are forced to get it.
With that said… I’ve read that some healthcare workers get a medical note from their LLMD’s, does that work?
Posted by steve1906 (Member # 16206) on :
Anyone got a cold or flu...
I've had a cold for a week now, feels like a mini flu.
lots of coughing, nose - throat...just feel miserable
Posted by Jamers (Member # 28016) on :
I will never get any vaccine ever again due to it "causing" my lyme symptoms years ago when I got them for nursing school.
No one knows what is in those shots! I did get the flu last year and it sucked for about a week but I got Tamiflu and it helped greatly. I also learned to let the fever run its course. I was taking a fever reducer but my fever kept coming back, only after I let it run did I get better in 24 hours.
Our bodies are meant to fix naturally, putting foreign vaccines in them is something I will never do again!
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
Talk to your doctor first? THATS NUTS!
another thing is to keep your vitamin D3 levels up. I like to keep it around 70 to 80.
Posted by sparklyholiday (Member # 42456) on :
Not for me. I've been fortunate to only have the flu once *knock on wood* in my 37 years. So based on that and how I feel about the flu vaccine, I don't think it is worth the risk.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I allways get the shot. I have not had trouble with it. Maybe till this year.
I was in a wreck and got the flu shot within a week of each other.
I have been worse than in years extreme joint pain everywhere.
Neck stif and poping ,back messed up , left shoulder like my arm will fall off, feet hurting and poping,left hand like a bone is broken in my rist,ect.
I just don't know why i am so bad off now!!!
MADDOG
Posted by EWT1638 (Member # 11315) on :
Nope! Did it one year and got very sick. I just have a really strong gut feeling it is not a good idea for chronic lyme patients. I know that going on "gut" isn't 'medical proof', but after 17 years I just have to listen to it sometimes.
Posted by Carol in PA (Member # 5338) on :
quote:Originally posted by Carmen:
Another thing is to keep your vitamin D3 levels up. I like to keep it around 70 to 80.
. YES! There is an article about a care facility whose patients were getting D3 supplements, and those patients did not get influenza.
But their other group of patients DID NOT get D supplements, and many of them got the flu. I'll come back and add a link when I find the article.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I've also heard that nursing home patients receiving B12 shots have a much lower incidence of infections.
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
There is mercury in the flu shot. Mercury, no matter how small, is the worse thing you could possibly give someone whose immune system is compromised. It's extremely toxic.
Posted by crazyhavanese (Member # 42617) on :
My LLMD advised me not to get it for the last few years. Last year I was very sick with the flu and some Lyme symptoms reared their ugly head. it took me over month to be functional. I got it from my husband who felt better in a week!
So this year I had my flu shot in Sept.and I have had no problems and hopefully will be more guarded against that nasty flu.
I also take lots of Vit C,etc. but it doesn't aways help. I think the flu shot has gotten a bad reputation from the Lyme community. Believe me if you had a case of the flu like I did you might think twice abut getting the flu vaccinaton.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I think we all got the flu already. I slept one whole day, my husband 2 days, my daughter is starting now.
She still hasn't missed school and still riding her bike in freezing temperatures to go to school. Let's see.
None of us have lyme anymore.
During lyme, we never caught any flu, nor even colds, that I remember. Ever since lyme got dormant, we catch colds here and then, like other mortals.
Vit D3 is a big help, we are taking MMS homeopathic too (didn't prevent the flu, but so far not too bad), propolis.
I'd rather take the flu than any vaccine. I have no doubt about that. My parents keep taking this awful vaccine, they get the flu anyway.
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
Mercury is only the tip of the iceburg of nasty stuff in the flu shot. Best to fully look into it.
Your best defense against the flu is having sufficiently high blood levels of vitamin D3 and vitamin c.
My mom got paralized from the waste down after the 1976 flu vaccine. She recovered but some remain paralized to this day.
Lyme compromises the immune system. Vaccines only comprimise it more as clearly seen in those cases of autism that are vaccine induced. I watched children die in hopsital after polio vaccines due to total paralysis and swelling of the brain.
Oh the things they don't tell you. Ive been there to see them first hand.
Working to build my system is my approach.
Cant tell you how many people I have seen get sick after getting the flu shot. Ive also seen many die from the complications of flu after having the shot, and these are generaly the elderly who get the flu even after getting the vaccine. I won't go near it with a 10 foot pole.
Flu Vaccine: What Else is In There?
The flu shot also contains the following ingredients: sodium phosphate – buffered isotonic sodium chloride solution, formaldehyde, octylphenol ethoxylate, and gelatin, according to the FDA. The influenza virus is grown in chicken eggs and scientists collect the virus and inactivate it by using formaldehyde. They then purify the influenza virus and suspend it in a sugar solution before splitting it with oxtylphenol ethoxylate. After splitting, the scientists purify the virus once more, then suspend it in a salt solution (sodium phosphate – buffered isotonic sodium chloride) and use gelatin to help keep the viruses stable and potent during storage.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brussels:
I'd rather take the flu than any vaccine. I have no doubt about that.
- Amen
Posted by Anthropologista (Member # 35483) on :
Totally agree about not getting the vaccine when you have any kind of illness. But there are good public health reasons for healthy people to get vaccinated.
Many of those vaccinated will still come down with the flu, but if it statistically reduces the number of carriers in a population, this will protect those who are more vulnerable to infection. (Good point about family members of cancer patients needing to avoid it, though.)
We agreed that my husband, who has TBI, wouldn't get it, but that I, as a healthy spouse, would. I was easily able to get the preservative-free (i.e., mercury free) vaccine.
Posted by Crawgir1 (Member # 40229) on :
I've read some articles lately about the flu vaccine; one says that last year's vaccine was largely ineffective, particularly in people over 65. Another one said that the flu vaccine has a very poor performance overall. I have always gotten the flu shot, but now that I'm in treatment for LD, I think I'll pass.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
The flu knocks you down for a few days, if you take enough vitamins, propolis, etc.
The vaccine may knock you down forever.
Sorry to know, Carmen, that your mom got paralised... Did she recover after or was it permanent? That's a shame.
Posted by beaches (Member # 38251) on :
I was recently at a new doc's office (not Lyme related). The nurse was asking me a bunch of questions.
She asked if I got the flu shot. I said I did not. Then she asked me if I believed in the flu shot!
I said "Is that an actual question on your form??" She said it was! I said that no, I did not believe in the flu shot as I had enough crap already floating around in my body and I didn't need more. I told her that I just try to keep my Vit D level up.
I didn't go into detail regarding DD having a horrendous reaction to the flu vaccine years ago. It was recommended for her b/c of her asthma. Never did it after that.
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
She recovered after about 3 or 4 weeks from the paralysis if I recall correctly. She didnt tell me about it till a few years after it happened.. thats my mom for ya. I think it had some stuff in it for the swine flu. Like I said, about 500 didnt recover. You can search it on the net for flu vaccine 1976.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Anthropologista, my parents take the vaccines every year, and almost every year suffer from awful flu. They are both more than 74 years old, in bad health.
The flu shot does not protect them, and I wonder why they keep taking it. They say it is free and their doc recommends it for them.
My father sometimes takes a month to get over the flu. And what is crazy, is that the symptoms may start DAYS after the flu shot, which makes me think that it is CAUSED by the shot!!!
They think docs are gods, so they believe they would be worst without the shots.
If you know how SMALL a virus is, in the limit of being just an organic molecule or alive, you will wonder how to 'kill' it or deactivate it.....
A bacteria is a HUGE being in comparison, a complete developed life more close to us with internal organized organs, than to a virus. It is much easier to kill a bacteria, that is alive, than a virus, that becomes 'alive' only in the presence of a host.
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
An ND I used to see recommended
1 tablet Gripp-Heel (Blue snowflake on white box)
1 tablet Engystol (Orange swirl on yellow box)
Once weekly throughout the winter.
She said it was the natural version of the flu vaccine, it boosted and stimulated the immune system.
Posted by steve1906 (Member # 16206) on :
I've heard some people already have the flu this year!!! I got a really bad cold about three weeks ago, it lasted 2-1/2 weeks.
After that sinus problems, (still)...
Posted by steve1906 (Member # 16206) on :
I see some people already have the (Flu):
Here's some things that may help a little>
Stay home and rest
•Drink plenty of liquids - this will help to replace the fluid lost from fever and sweating.
•Take medication for your symptoms - your pharmacist can help you choose the right over-the-counter medicine. (Make sure you mention if you have a chronic illness or are taking other medication.)
•Gargle - to help a sore throat, gargle with a glass of warm water mixed with a half-teaspoon of salt. Throat lozenges are also effective.
•Wash your hands often to protect others
Eat:
Chicken Soup Popsicles Vegetable Juice Garlic Honey Yogurt Ginger Hot Tea Bananas Toast Mushrooms Selenium - Brazil nuts
Meal Replacement Drinks If your appetite has returned, try one of these to make sure you're getting proper nutrients and calories. Look for lactose-free drinks with at least 6 grams of protein and that are low in sugar. Flavors like strawberry and chocolate may make getting essential vitamins, nutrients, and calories more attractive.
Orange juice with the pulp - vitamin C and folic acid, will help to boost immunity.
Posted by sammy (Member # 13952) on :
I got the flu vaccine (preservative free, single dose version) right before Thanksgiving and did fine, no side effects.
My very well known LLMD and my immunologist recommended that I get it this year as I have a severe immune deficiency (CVID).
My immunologist is one of the top in the country so I trust her fully. She says that research on immune deficient people only has shown that can help protect me from the flu and reduce my chances of developing pneumonia this winter.
For me, a severe virus like flu or a pneumonia could easily be life threatening. These are the top reasons why people with immune deficiencies die.
So I got the shot and my family also got it to further protect me. None of us had a reaction.
When I was working, I always got the shot. The only time I got sick was my first year of college when I forgot to get the shot! I was so miserable, It almost set me back in school. I never forgot a shot again.
Last year I didn't get a shot and I got the flu. I was sick for over a month with high fevers, cough, body pain, could hardly eat, etc, and was bed ridden. I had to lean on my mom to care for me because I was totally helpless. It was horrible. I never want to repeat that or worse.
The flu is not something to mess around with when you are already sick with Lyme and co. and an immune deficiency.
I also took all the immune boosting herbs and supplements and it wasn't enough to protect me.
So for those on the fence about getting the shot. Don't be scared. Not everyone has reactions, if they did, no one would get the shot and it would be pulled off the market!!! Most people are fine.
It helps me so I'm grateful for it.
There's 2 pages of anti vaccine info here so please, no one attack my post. Thank you. Remember we are all here to help each other and share info and experiences EQUALLY. Thanks
Posted by steve1906 (Member # 16206) on :
Sammy, If anyone attacks your reply, so be it. Remenber, everyone has an opinion on everything we discuess here.
Thank you for sharing! I'm glad no one in your family got sick from the shot.
Keep up the vit. C........
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Sammy, I think the difference is that you are severely immune-compromised. I rarely get anything communicable, so I am better off without the vaccines.
Some with Lyme are like me, and some are like you. So we must take care of ourselves in our own unique ways!
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