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Posted by LSG Scott (Member # 21624) on :
 
just wondering if the wormwood, turmeric and andrographis i'm takeing could get to the brain
 
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
 
Interesting questions...

I would think in tea form or tincture they might. The problem is molecule size.

That's why some antibiotics do cross and some don't.

This article talks about the blood brain barrier. It's an interesting article anyway even if it's not herb specific.

http://lymemd.blogspot.com/2013/03/blood-brain-barrier.html

"Antibiotics that cross the BBB tend to have certain physical characteristics including: small molecular size, being lipophilic, binding to fatty molecules on cell membranes, low plasma protein binding and other specialized characteristics."
 
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
 
absolutley yes!
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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It depends upon the herb and sometimes, the form of that herb. Not all do and some may require a combination with another to do so.

Best to consult (or read works from) an ILADS educated LL ND who will understand the science of lyme (and all that goes with it), as well as the science of herbs, in relation to lyme's unique properties and requirements.

It's also not just about the herb but what is going on for YOUR body, right now. Many with lyme have "sticky blood" with elevated fibrinogen. That requires some assist so that any treatment can work better.

A LL ND would know that Prickly Ash Bark (or other options) can be of help in various ways to ease up blockage.

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When considering herbal / nutritional / adjunct methods:

if at all possible - because each person & each case is different - it's best to consult with an ILADS-educated LL ND (lyme literate naturopathic doctor) (or similar) who has completed four years of post-graduate medical education in the field of herbal and nutritional medicine -

- and someone who is current with ILADS' research & presentations, past and present, and has completed the ILADS Physician Training Program (see: www.ilads.org )

Many LL NDs incorporate antibiotics (depending upon the licensing laws in their state). Some LLMDs and LL NDs have good working relationships.

When possible, it's great to have both a LLMD and LL ND and even better when they have a long-standing professional relationship.

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How to find an ILADS-educated LL:

N.D. (Naturopathic Doctor);

L.Ac. (Acupuncturist);

D.Ay. (Doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine);

D.O.M. (Doctor of Oriental Medicine);

D.O. (Doctor of Osteopathy);

D.C. (Doctor of Chiropractic);

Integrative / Holistic M.D., etc.

Be aware that integrative doctors can have various levels of formal herbal &/or nutritional education, perhaps even just a short course. Do ask first. Some have learned on their own from experts in the field. There are many ways to acquire knowledge and most are eager to share basic details about their training. You want someone with a deep knowledge.

Some of the specialities above may not actually treat lyme yet, for things such as physical adjustments, it is just good that they are also LL, at least to some degree (to know never to suddenly twist the neck or spine).

Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees who all have this basic approach in common:

Understanding of the importance of addressing the infection(s) fully head-on with specific measures from all corners of medicine;

knowing which supplements have direct impact, which are only support and which are both.

You can compare and contrast many approaches.

BASIC HERBAL EDUCATIONAL & SAFETY links,

BODY WORK links with safety tailored to lyme patients,

LOW HEAT INFRARED SAUNA detail,

BIOPHOTON - BIONIC 880 (& PE-1) links, and

RIFE links.
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[ 10-17-2013, 05:24 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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Of the 3 you asked about, here are some links set for a couple. And others that come to mind. Hepapro's Allicin does cross the BBB. Andrographis, too. Still, it's best to have expert guidance by a LL ND (or similar).


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/119197?#000000

Topic: Garlic vs Allicin


Below, related to by not at all the same thing as Wormwood. If for Babesia, Wormwood is not enough. Artemisinin (as part of a combination) is best.

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=118253;p=0

Artemesia / Artemisinin links here


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/119089?#000000

ANDROGRAPHIS paniculata - LINKS SET
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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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Not regarding lyme, in general:

From: The One Earth Herbal Sourcebook (Tillotson, et.al.)

http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com/important-herbs/turmeric-root-curcuma-longa.html

TURMERIC ROOT (Curcuma longa)

Excerpt:

. . . SAFETY ISSUES: Due to mucin-reducing effects, do not use the concentrated extract (curcumin) or oil in high doses, especially if you have bile duct obstruction, gall stones, or stomach ulcers. Use turmeric as a spice freely. . . .


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lululymemom posted:

Buhner told me that Curcumin Xanthorhizza is best for Babesia, . . . .
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Posted by LSG Scott (Member # 21624) on :
 
many thanks guys
 
Posted by rowingmom (Member # 41213) on :
 
Buhner suggests both kudzu and japanese knotweed for brain inflammation, so I suppose they would also cross the BBB.
 


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