Does anyone know if citric acid or HCL makes MMS tasteless? I am planning to possibly give it to a 5 year old. And what does DMSO do? (i am planning to use the baby bottie method). I am very new to all of this!
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
They say that HCl makes it taste better, but I doubt tasteless. Keep her away from the preparation site so she doesnt smell it.
I just started using MMS the other day because my ozone generator broke, which was managing some thigh pain... but now I see really not managing it well enough. I ordered some HCL to give it a try for I have a pretty stong aversion to the smell and taste.
I would be sure to have something ready to give her as a reward right after taking it that will cut the taste and help to keep her compliant but if it upsets her tummy nothing will help but time.
Some people use gum. I think some kind of little natural hard candy made without sugar might work. the smaller the size the better as you will be giving to her often.
Ive been trying to decide if I wanted to report on this or not becasue its so early but I was having a lot of sharp jabbing thigh pains and when I started the MMS it decreased significantly almost instantly. Still have one pain in my groin area that seems a bit better today... and Im on a very low dose of MMS right now. Started with 2 drops an hour and had to back down to one drop. Today Im going to try 1.5 drops per hour.
DMSO is suppose to help the mms move into tissues better. Im going to experiment with it topically today. Some people mix it right into the MMS daily bottle. Others take it at a half or full teaspoon orally... If you use it for a 5 year old make sure you know the right dosage... of course Im sure you know that.
Posted by Eight Legs Bad (Member # 13680) on :
Good evening LymeNut
Please do not give ANYTHING to a five year old without a doctor's guidance.
I guess you are brand new to Lyme? Otherwise you might know that the internet name you have chosen is very offensive, especially as it is the one used by McSweegan and his morally-challenged mates to describe sufferers of chronic Lyme.
Elena
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
LymeNut, I didnt know what Eight Legs Bad was talking about.... and maybe other readers don't either...
In which case you could choose to wear the name LymeNut as a badge of honor in defiance of this creep, McSweegan.
Considering the excellent results that MMS is having with children with autism and lyme a doctor's recommendation is a mute point. Follow your gut and educate yourself and dont speak of it in public until your task is complete, as there is risk from interfering nosey neighbors, and other damn do gooders, professional or not, who are clueless.
Posted by linky123 (Member # 19974) on :
Most or us are pretty sure you didn't choose your internet name to be offensive.
Take care and welcome to Lymenet. Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
You don't take DMSO internally. I would never give MMS to a child either, but that is just me.
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
Oh yes, many people have taken DMSO internally, both by IV and orally with protocols developed by Dr Jacobs from the University of Oregon Medical Center over 30 years ago. It is used in many naturoapthic and alternative medical doctors offices across the nation.
and Ive met doctors who do it and have discussed with them how they do it. there are more videos on youtube if you search.
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
Using alternative unguided possible seriously detrimental chemicals on your adult self, after research, is one thing, and more power to you (and me),
but on a 5 year old unhealthy child, who may have trouble communicating, is quite another. Please don't generalize MMS is 'curing' autism
(I know there are maybe 40 reports), BUT, the protocol is not just MMS, it is strict diet change (100% GF/CF) no sugar, herbs for parasite treatments, etc.
Hard to discern where the improvement may be coming from when other changes take place that also plays a roll in cognitive and perhaps behavioral gains in spectrum children (removing protein opioids from a leaky gut)
My fear with MMS is the possible burning of the GI tract. Furthermore, daily enemas administered on a young child? This becomes their normal? A daily large liquid chemical enema given/ put up their anus, told to hold as long as they can, from their parent? Every day. *shudder*
Sorry, I hate controversy, but when it comes to a impaired very young child... please be careful.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Amen to that, surprise!!
"(I know there are maybe 40 reports), BUT, the protocol is not just MMS, it is strict diet change (100% GF/CF) no sugar, herbs for parasite treatments, etc."
I know of many autistic children who are on the Body Ecology Diet who are recovering from Autism. They are NOT using MMS.
I've tried MMS and found it to be like drinking pure acid.
Posted by Eight Legs Bad (Member # 13680) on :
I did not actually realise you were planning to give this child enemas. I misread the phrase for "baby bottle".
I'm sorry, but administering strong acids like Hydrochloric acid in enemas to five year old children is beyond the pale.
I know some naturopaths talk about HCl being a "natural component of the body". That's very dishonest and misleading.
HCl is a natural substance in the STOMACH - nowhere else. If it gets anywhere else it can cause severe problems.
The stomach is coated with mucous membrane partly to protect itself against the HCl it contains. When the protection disappears, serious complications like ulcers result.
Elena
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
But lots of alkaline stuff is added to the gut from the liver. Probably enough to neutralize the few drops of HCl used to activate the MMS. Because MMS is so alkaline it probably also reduces the acid in HCL.
Is MMS activation with HCL what Kerry recommends for the enema?
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
I'm finding that a couple drops of stevia per dose is helpful for the bad taste. Doesn't taste acidy at all. Im also using the baby bottle method.
Still awaiting arrivial of the HCL in the mail. Dr Hulda Clark (deceased) always had people put up to 4 to 6 drops of hcl on thier food to help prevent parasite invasion... especially with raw foods. I did this years ago when I did the Clark parasite cleanse.
Up to 113 documented reports of signficant success with Kerry's protocol for autism. No one said MMS cures autism, it is part of a total protocol. There are a number of physicians doing it also.
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
"There are a number of physicians doing it also." (unquote)
A number? LOL. There may be a few looking the other way, but any MD who is treating a CHILD
with 'MMS' better make sure they have BOTH parents signature for consent when the dung hits the fan.
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
Guess you haven't done your homework and you really dont know what is going on.
anyone who wants to know about MMS should not ask questions on this forum for almost all the information given by MMS haters is incorrect.
The source for information on the use of MMS is www.genesis2churhc.org they have a very active forum here.
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
Carmen, I find it wild you hate antibiotics because of the damage to gut flora,
yet advocate bleach/ an industrial cleaner (yes, yes I know it's a small amount)
to be ingested and given as a daily enema in children.
If the object is to create so much drama and controversy as to drive the rational folks away, it's starting to work on me.
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
Well you might not want to open threads about MMS if you so hate it unless it is your intent to drive people away from MMS who have decided out of their own free will to use it.
and actually I dislike antibiotics for many more reasons than damage to gut flora and candida. Try liver and kidney failure, other fungal infections, resistant fungal infections,skin disorders, enzyme disruption, nerve damages, neuropathies, tendon ruptures, c-dificile, MRSA and other superbugs, depresion, cognitive difficulities, mitochondrial dysfunction, repression of the immune system.... leading to difficulties in detoxing... which really needs to be working if one is to ever get better.
Now most of this will not happen with short term antibiotic use but long term? Its a spin of the roulette wheel as clearly seen with some people here on this forum who do suffer damages from antibiotic use.
and this is why I have chosen not to use antibiotics for this most serious and life threatening disease.
Because MMS is so controversial the vast majority of users read quite a bit about it, its chemistry and how it works and have answered the difficult questions for themselves and then have decided to use it.
LymeNut, I received my HCL in the mail and started using it as an activator today... IT IS MUCH BETTER. Most of the bad taste is from the citric acid. Using HCL leaves no acid taste. I also put a drop if stevia in... but Ive heard that all people cannot use stevia as it causes bloating etc. It doesnt bother me.
I have read many hundreds of reports on the use of MMS. I have never read any problem with destroying gut flora, probably because its absorbed in the upper stomach, whereas conventional antibiotics generally make their way down into the intestine.
Many have reported good results treating candida and Irritable bowel disease and crohns issues with MMS, although it has not helped some.
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Posted by Eight Legs Bad (Member # 13680) on :
The alkaline juices that are produced higher up the g-i tract have no effect on any substance given as an enema.
That part of the intestine is geared for absorption of water. You could potentially do huge damage to a child (or adult) if you gave substances that were caustic or disturbed the acid-base balance of the blood, by either route - rectal or oral.
Apart from that using the rectal route to administer medicines to a child when there is no clear and proven need to do so is knocking on the doors of child abuse.
I'm sorry, but anyone who recommends "so many drops" of a strong acid like HCl - for everyone, no matter what the state of their stomach, and without even specifying the concentration (!) should be avoided like the plague.
Elena
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Chloride is also part of SALT (NaCl), and that does not make SALT BLEACH.
Sodium (Na) alone is very reactive, so alone cannot be ingested (or it takes FIRE when in contact with water).
However, we eat sodium in the form of NaCl every day.
"In fact, sodium undergoes spontaneous combustion in water, so while sodium is essential for human nutrition, you wouldn't want to eat pure sodium! When you ingest salt, the sodium and the chlorine ions in sodium chloride separate from each other, making the sodium available for your body to use."
If you consume salt, you are consuming chlorine too, and that chlorine helps your body to absorb Na, that alone, is poisonous. ---
Bleach is NaOCl (sodium hypoclorite).
MMS is clorine dioxide.
Dr. Humiston talks about Clorine dioxide in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AG1meMVu6Y (at 5:00 he speaks about Cl and the difference between MMS and Cl alone, and how the whole ocean has Cl) (7:00 excellent viral killer)
-------- Having said that, I hate the smell and taste of MMS, and had some tummy ache after ingesting the stuff, so I stopped doing that.
I decided to do an homeopathic version, potency C3 that continues to be useful, in my opinion. I give it to my cat and take it myself for a few months now, and so does my daughter.
There is barely any chemical inside a C3 dilution, it tastes nothing and smells nothing, which is a great advantage.
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
AMEN Brussels and Carmen. I haven't been here in two months and I'm so sad to see that some minds are still as closed as ever about this wonderful protocol.
Dr. K (Yes, the famous MD, PHD lyme/autism doc) is endorsing the baby bottle protocol for the treatment of autism. His endorsement will be featured on the second edition of Kerri Rivera's book which should be out by the end of January.
There are now over 3,000 families on the facebook page treating their sick and autistic children with this protocol. Just today child number 115 was healed from autism. The facebook group grows by about 20 per day as the word spreads.
You don't need a doctor to help you with this protocol. Your doc will tell you that autism and asbergers are not curable. So, do you listen to the doc or do you research on your own to heal your child. That's an easy one for me. This protocol is not just for autism. It works for lyme, immune issues, PANDAS/PANS, and many, many more things. It dose sound too good to be true and I had to keep pinching myself when it started because I didn't believe the changes in my kids. But it is real.
LymeNut, please join us at the CD Autism facebook group to learn every aspect of the baby bottle method to heal your child. You will be among friends and you can read the reports from other open minded, intelligent parents who are healing their children with this protocol. You will not be told you have an offensive name and you will not be chastised for doing the right thing for your child.
By the way, the HCL activator helps the taste a bit and also keeping it in the fridge could help too. Start slowly with 1 drop in 8 oz...be sure to read the protocol carefully...low and slow wins the race.
tickbattler
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
If there were just one herb, one protocol, one substance to cure chronic diseases like autism and lyme, we would have known that.
Dr. Humiston said in those videos I posted above: if we could find ONE CAUSE for cancer and point our finger to it, it would be nice, that is what we want.
The problem is that cancer is a whole failure of the incredible complex immune system, like chronic infections are.
There is no single cause for that failure. So, there is no single treatment.
That is what he says about MMS. MMS is not a miracle for him, but it is helpful for a number of issues.
He says, he is not looking for a single miracle treatment. He just wants to use each remedy, each treatment, for what it works best. If it works best than treatments that are normally used, it is already a win-win!
However, what works amazingly well for one person, will not necessarily works best for another. He knows about that. We all know.
He says though, that according to his clinic experience, MMS works very well for many viruses. Less well for candida. And this is already wonderful.
Who here is taking a single treatment for chronic lyme disease and getting better?
Why someone would expect to cure autism, cancer and chronic diseases with a single substance?
MMS is not a miracle, it is just one more useful tool for us to use, to help whoever can be helped with it. That is how I see it.
For me, the miracle lyme treatment were photons with borrelia nosodes. But before doing that, I had treated so many other things for years, and those photons were just the last thing that put my lyme dormant for almost 5 years now.
I could call that a miracle treatment (that is exactly how it felt).
But looking backwards, I did years of chelation, took all amalgams off, did 2 cavitation surgeries, some neural therapy injections, psychokinesiology, acupuncture, acupressure, took BUhner's herbs for ages, Cowden herbs, Chinese herbs, and literally HUNDREDS of homeopathic products and supplements daily...
There is no miracle cure in my opinion. But all of that, I think, helped my immune system back in track, so that it keeps borrelia in check.
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
yes, all that you said Brussels, but when it comes to MMS you will find more cures of a wide variety of illnessess than any other single medicine can provide except for maybe ozone, acupuncture and homeopathy... but no repeated doctor visits are requried for MMS. No expensive equipment... no endless appointments and expenses. No damaged liver or kidney, no superbug formation, no damage to enzyme processes that antibiotics can bring. If it works people get well. If it doesnt they move on to something else, but still intact.
What MMS is proving is that most of the immune diseases that are treated with steroids and dangerous chemo therapies really have a strong microbe component to them. Kill the microbes and relieve that burden upon the body and the disease goes away as demonstrated in cured cases of psoriasis, lupus, cancer, sjogren's disease, ezecmas.
It also kills a lot of different parasites.
MMS is cheap and effective for so many things and it doesn't do the damage that antibiotic long term use can cause. When you look at the blood via dark field microscopy after a course of MMS it looks much healthier in those cases that have been viewed.
No it hasn't proven that effective for candida for some people, but for others, yes it helps. We dont understand why yet.
And the precursor to MMS is sodium chlorite, which is what Humble initially used to cure his first malaria cases, not sodium hypochlorite. Many doctors have used sodium chlorite over the years, in a product called stablilized oxygen. In this cas the normal HCL of the stomach activates the MMS within the body. Becasue of this high dosages are not tolerated well. Activate it outside the body and higher dosages can be used.
One of the by products of the MMS protocol is hypochlorus acid.
"In biology, hypochlorous acid is generated in activated neutrophils by myeloperoxidase-mediated peroxidation of chloride ions, and contributes to the destruction of bacteria.[3][4][5]. "
Before the advent of antibioitcs physicians use to inject hypochlorus acid directly in the veins for severe infections. It has almost miraculous healing properties due to its ability to kill bacteria, especially in cases of septicemia.
There seems to be a mindset that refuses to look at the facts, the science and the healing that occurs. They get a belief system stuck in their heads so that everything they see and hear turns into supporting evidience for something being bad based on erroneous beliefs, an erroneous understanding of science, not facts. They are willing to do or say anything to discredit the work being done, even in the face of amazing results.
The chlorine element is present in many biological process in the human body.
BTW, the HCL recommened is 4 to 5% only. Really not very strong at all. It does not burn the skin nor the mucous membranes. It will not damage the colon, especially considering that the MMS it is mixed with is so alkaline. The HCL makes a chemical reaction with the alkaline MMS during the activation process, further reducing the acidity.
For those reading this thread and who really want to know all the facts of the science of MMS go to www.geneis2church.org Its all there.
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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
So if Jim Humble is the Archbishop of this "church" then he is not paying any taxes on his profits.
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
I cant say that Jim is an American Citizen, he certainly spends little to no time in the USA these days. I really dont know.
Jim spends way more than he takes in from profits and its donations drives that much of the MMS movement has propelled forward on.
They might make a little money on the 3 or 4 day MMS seminars held mostly in other countries, but not much, but these are generally held by other individuals not Jim and the aveage attendence is handfuls of people not hundreds.
Im sure that the DVD courses that are sold for those who dont go to the seminars make a little money for the church.
I dont know that the book he sells is covered by the church or not. He doesn't sell MMS and never has.
He has freely given away all the MMS information and its available all over the net. People only buy the book if they feel that they need it condensed into a hands on packet.
When he first put out the books the Book no. 1 was free to all on the internet. You can download it and it told me what I needed to know to use MMS, how it came about etc. Book no. two tells you how to mass produce MMS, everything about production... that cost $20. He wanted to be sure that all people had access to this information should anything ever happen to him. It was a big concern of his initially.
Jim has perpetually folded everthing that came in from his book to travel and to teach, and to promote the MMS work.... so yes, it may be tax deducted within his church.
Mostly the church was developed to help protect people who teach about MMS as well as families who choose to use it.
I think that one has the spiritual right to determine what healthcare one chooses to put upon their physical form. The body is the temple of the spirit. It should be protected by law from pharmaceutical companies and their drug pushers......
but it is not protected in the USA unless you form a church or a member of one that protects you... we have seen this in vaccination issues over the years, being that you could only avoid vaccinations if you belonged to the church that doesn't condone it.
Some companies have produced and distributed MMS. Im sure they make some money on it and Im sure they pay taxes if they are located in the USA. They would be insane not to for the FDA and AMA is always looking for ways to crush their adversaries.
If you think MMS is a huge profit maker and that Jim is motivated my this you ought to think again.
What MMS is, is a huge detractor of money out of pharmaceutical companies and their subsidiaries.
Your question smacks of FDA tactics to repress freedom of health care choice and information. The bottom line is when the FDA hates you they go after you through the IRS.
Jim better than anyone knows this. He has had the best and the brightest helping and advising him in his endeavor to teach the world about MMS.
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