Hot off the presses - Kerri Rivera's second edition is out today! This protocol has helped my family of 5 more than anything in the past 7 years. It is not just for autism. Read what Dr. K says about this book/protocol.
I'm on about day 8 of MMS. I think its working well so far.
I have a friend who got rid of a skin cancer with it applied topically only.
Posted by 2roads (Member # 4409) on :
Can you describe your treatment? How much you are taking, and what method Carmen?
Can you speak to any side effects?
Thanks
Posted by Chipster (Member # 43143) on :
Boy, it sure sounds promising, but does taking bleach scare anybody?
Conventional physicians are having a fit over it.
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
If you take too much you can get diarrhea for a hour or so. If you take a lot too much you can have diarrhea for longer, like half a day or so. It can also cause nausea. If this happens your suppose to skip a dose or two or three, what ever it takes to calm down, and start again at a lower dosage, one that didnt cause a problem.
I have found that if I start with a low dosage and gradually work up over days that this does not happen.. Just like with any detox you can get fatigue, headache, dizziness as parasties are killed. Some people dump worms when they use it.
the more toxic you are the lower the dosage you will take. For instance my healthy son did a huge dose at the age of about 20 against my recommendation, It didn't phase him at all... he did like 20 drops. That would have knocked me flat. Lyme folks are advised to start with half a drop per hour or one drop max to see how they tolerate it.
Ive done this on and off for over 7 years now and in the past I have worked up to 15 drops 3x day... but that was the old protocol. The new ways of preparing it make it fairly easy to do and things dont taste bad like they use to. Generally its about 3 drops an hour, seriouly ill people with life threatening issues may do more drops per hour.
I have not seen any toxic side effects as similar that you get to using prescription drugs. It does not seem to cause intracellular damage, damage enzyme processes nor damage the liver. I have seen no reports of resistant bacteria forming, or it causing things like candida or c-dif. Many reports of curing bowel infections though including diverticulitis, irritable bowel, crohns improvement, appendicitis. ... In fact I have read at least 5 testimonials from people who were going to start Kidney dialysis who after using MMS suddenly didnt need kidney dialysis anymore, totally stunning their physicians. I think it probably kicks out the toxins and parasites from the kidneys and thus allowing the body to heal itself.
One way it helped me that I had forgotten about until just now was that I was having some bladder stress incontinence... not a huge problem but some. That was the first thing to go that never returend.
No it doesnt scare me now. although initially I did quite a bit of reading on it before I ventured into it. I advise the same for anyone considering it. Seems the CDC did a study on Chlorine dioxide ingestion in 1985 and found that it was not really toxic at the lower dosages like MMS is used in. I have a link to that study somewhere....somewhere....somewhere... I haven't looked for it in years now, will try to find it.
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
Oh, the other question - Im using three drops an hour, 8 to 10 times a day depending on how my day goes.
I mix 30 drops MMS with 30 drops HCL 5% solution and add it to 10 ounces of water in a glass bottle. One ounce is a dose. I chase with plain water
I started at only one drop per dose and worked up over about 5 days.. going to l.5 drops per dose, to two drops per dose to 2.5 drops per dose. at 2 drops per dose I got some diarrhea so I backed down and worked up again. No problem now. I think 3 drops per dose it the right dose for me right now.
I think Im on about day 13 now according to my record, been doing it a bit longer than I thought.
Posted by MattH (Member # 30846) on :
Carmen,
Thanks for the update. I am about 30 and 30 with 28 ounces, 2 ounces at a time with 8 ounces of water mixed with the 2 ounces. About every 1 to 1 1/2 hours. I work full time so it is hard to be precise at work.
I think the Doug Coil and Ondamed has knocked down my Bart and the Chinese herbs are hitting the Lyme so my load is much lower. Also Coiling for Candida and I am noticing the treatment!
I think I need to better space out the protocols to make sure I am not reducing effectiveness by introducing antioxidants while still doing MMS.
Still a ways to go but I am improving.
All the Best, MattH
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
yes MattH, thats the downside to MMS in my opinion. You cant do all the antioxidants that you would like to do.
Its either one or the other.
Most of the antimicrobial systems of defense in the body against bacteria are oxidants... so going with that is a good option at times.
After doing a couple months of CS, which is also an oxidant, I developed pains in my thighs and groin and it felt like my lymph system was under attack but hard to know for sure. worrisome for me. I tried several rifing things and obviously the CS was not helpful for this.
The MMS has really made an impact, reducing pains almost immediately. and now just a couple of tweeks left, if barely that...Guess Ive been treating this situation now for 13 days.. and it was the reason I shifted to MMS.
Posted by MattH (Member # 30846) on :
Any improvement in memory? That is a big one for me. I have added back gingko twice a day.
Thanks, MattH
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
My memory improved on Colloidal Silver... before I started MMS.
In general lecitin has always helped me with memory and come to think of it I was taking lots of lecitin in lipsomal C when I was on CS.
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
My memory has improved with the MMS.
And for anyone with chronic lyme or parasite infections, I would strongly recommend reading Kerri's book (or looking up the protocol online) so you can do the baby bottle protocol she developed. It is the best way to avoid herx reactions. Most start with 1 drop mixed in 8 oz of water and then you take one ounce hourly so you are getting 1/8 of a drop with each dose. For those who are more toxic, you may need to start with 1 drop in 16 or 32 oz so you get a tiny fraction of the drop with each dose. My mom had to start that way. The goal for adults is to reach 24 drops but you go slowly so as to avoid a large herx.
Symptoms we have seen disappear on this treatment are as follows:
OCD, motor tics, tourettes, anger, emotional behavior, rages, restless legs, aching legs, headaches, internal vibrating, insomnia, night waking, tantrums, extreme fatigue, nausea, bloated gut, shortness of breath, dizziness, seeing colored spots, nightmares, depression, brain fog, weakness, poor attention, irritability, hyperactivity, ADHD, joint pain, socialization issues/autism symptoms.
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
one drop in 8 ounces? wow. thats next to nothing. Guess some people really need to start super slow and low.
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
My mom's arthritis flared and she had to nap all day just on 1 drop in 8 oz. So she diluted more. She was able to manage much better with 1 drop in 16 oz. It has taken her over a month but she is now at 2 drops in 8 oz. Low and slow wins the race!
Posted by anuta (Member # 22646) on :
It has been 2 months that I'm taking MMS full time. I was able to go up to 12 drops baby bottle protocol without much herx.
But now at 12 drops I herx. I can stil tolerate it, but I'm definately not increasing the dose.
What is interesting- it has been about 2 weeks, I stopped testing positive (energetic testing) for ALL supements or homeo remedies I used to take. Even the detox and methylation support I don' t need to take.
This happens for the first time since my Lyme treatment.
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
Maybe i should try this. I can't get the link for the book to come up though. I need more links for where to buy it etc.
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
It is a very good explanation.
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
nefferdun - that is a form of Chlorine dioxide called CDS but I would purchase the sodium chlorite and HCL bottles to make the classic chlorine dioxide. You can get them at www.wps4sale.com
I would read more first at www.mmsautism.org to learn how the protocol works
tickbattler
Posted by hopingandpraying (Member # 9256) on :
tick battler - did this treatment help chronic pain and memory problems? I did not see them in the symptoms which disappeared that you listed:
"Symptoms we have seen disappear on this treatment are as follows:
Yes, hopingandpraying I include memory problems under the category of brain fog. And yes, pain is part of these things - we had joint pain and a lot of pain in the legs. If you go on the facebook page you can speak to others on the protocol to get an idea of how they are healing.
Posted by 2roads (Member # 4409) on :
Hey Carmen and matt, how long r u treating at 30 drops? R U handling it okay? What's gotten better?
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
sickofthepain - you were using WAY TOO MUCH. You need to start at 1 drop/day, diluted with 8 oz of water so each dose is 1/8 of a drop. I can't imagine starting with the dose you took. Of course you will have a bad experience.
Lemon juice bleaches things too.
This protocol works but it has to be done right. CD is very powerful and will cause HUGE herxing if too much is taken.
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
I used CDS for 28 days. I had been using colloidal silver for my antimicrobial but while using this I started to develop new symptoms that Im describing as pain and inflammation in the lymphatics in the bilateral groin area and seems also to be associated with restless leg syndrome and some muscle pain in the thighs. CDS seemed to have gotten rid of this but now Im off it for a month or so and its creeping back.
so I think Im going to start another month of it here pretty soon and probably should do two months. I really have to give my self extensive pep talks to do it as i detest it so much... but it is much better, with activation with 4% HCL rather than citric acid.
I dont understand what bug is causing this issue for me as it seems unaffected by either silver or rife. I dont think its the lyme... hard to know.
I have also found that topical applications of CDS mixed with DMSO cuts it way way back. I do this twice a day (even when on silver). I mix 8 drops of mms with 8 drops HCL and a tad of DMSO to carry it into the tissues and add one ounce of water and apply to the skin and rub it in.
I have been advised by several people not to use colloidal silver and MMS at the same time so when I took it orally I stopped the silver.
Posted by MattH (Member # 30846) on :
Carmen,
So what about the DMSO and CDS on the feet and legs for Bart? I was told to mix some clove in coconut or almond oil but have not tried that yet. I would think the DMSO and CDS would be easier say right before a Doug Coil session. I do a Doug Coil 6 times a week now and if I can pull it off will go to two a day.
I have had a flare up in my liver so I stopped the CDS for a while. I too am using HCL to activate and that sure improves the taste.
I have also been drinking a lot of distilled water in the last two weeks and that look forward to see how that can help (also taking lots of minerals and alfalfa to keep the minerals up).
All the Best, MattH
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
I have put it on my feet also for bart and it seemed like it made a difference. I dont think I have bart anymore.. hard to say unless I get my blood looked at again. I have no symptoms that Im aware of.
for my liver I use Nux Vomica Hommacord, a homeopathic liver detox, and i think it helps. you can get it at iherb
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
What is CDS. I just got DMSO and it says not to get it on your skin! That really threw me and now I am afraid to use this brand. When I had bart before, I mixed DMSO with clove bud oil to put on my shins but it burned so badly I only did it once. It didn't do anything.
I have some bart stuff on my skin that I would like to get rid of. I was thinking of mixing it with Knotweed.
As for the MMS, I was so put off by the man ordaining himself a Bishop so he could avoid taxes, that I thought if he is that dishonest, I don't trust his "discovery". I'll wait and see on this one.
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
READ...READ...READ...before you jump into any new treatment!
"Chlorine dioxide is approved by the Environmental Protection Agency in safely removing pathogens and contaminates like anthrax.
So you know it must be effective. However, the concentrations used in such applications can vary ***from 500 to over 6,000 parts per million (ppm),*** which would clearly be deadly to an individual.
Using the MMS protocol you will produce chlorine dioxide in the range of 1 ppm.
scroll down to chlorine dioxide and see revised harmful to life ppm (parts per million). Remember the MMS newsletter linked above said you are drinking 24 ppm!
"Whatever they mean by "oxide of chlorides compound" could be any number of substances from chlorine dioxide (ClO2) to perchloric acid (HClO4). The first is a poison and the second is explosive, so I presume they have come up with something in between."
Yes...there IS a toothpaste and mouthwash that contains chlorine dioxide, but swallowing several ppm of it is something else!
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Posted by 2roads (Member # 4409) on :
Hmmmmm.......thanks Marnie.
Where were you when I needed you 2 years ago. I wish I knew to ask-
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by nefferdun:
As for the MMS, I was so put off by the man ordaining himself a Bishop so he could avoid taxes, that I thought if he is that dishonest, I don't trust his "discovery". I'll wait and see on this one.
- NO kidding on that one.
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
It sounds too dangerous to give a child. Some people are so opposed to drugs they think anything "natural" is safer, and they conclude if it is over the counter, it is natural.
I always go back to "look at the fruits of the tree". Jim Humble ordained himself a Bishop so he could use his "church" to avoid paying taxes. He was selling certificates to ordain yourself as a pastor, as well as MMS and the book he published himself (because no one else would) about it's benefits. Does this sound like a person you can trust or does it sound like a scam artist?
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
Almost 5,000 families on the facebook group alone now healing their autistic kids with this protocol. How do you call something a scam when children who were told by their medical doctor they needed to be institutionalized are now going to school and playing basketball with their friends?
Read both sides and then make a decision. I don't argue that Jim Humble is an odd one but he is not in this for money.
Dr. K endorses this protocol right on the back cover of Kerri Rivera's book. Is he a scam artist too? Some think so.
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
Carmen - in case this helps, for me restless legs was parasites. It is gone since being on Kerri's protocol. My kids had it too but it is long gone for them as well. They used to say, "my legs feel stretchy," but I haven't heard that from them in about 5 months.
If it is parasites causing your symptoms, you will probably need to do the CD longer than a month at a time to get ahead of the parasites. It takes years to get rid of them.
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
I just started treating for mycoplasma with my rife machine and it seems like Im getting immediate results so Im thinking its mycoplasma causing the restless legs. Parasite treatment did nothing for it, nor CS. CDS does treat mycoplasma and yes I would assmume it would take longer than one month for this infection now that Im getting a sense of what it might be.
I was planning to do cds longer but Im going to move forward with the rife instead and see where it takes me.
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
Carmen,
What is CS? Too many abbreviations for me--LOL.
Jim Humble is definitely crazy. If you read one of the links Marnie posted he apologizes in 2012 for not knowing that his MMS got into the blood and that he knows now it does not kill malaria.
So, the whole thing with the "supposed" red cross treating malaria with MMS was a scam.
If it takes "years" for MMS (or CD) to kill parasites, it seems scary--what will the toxic effects be years from now. Who knows?
Tickbattler--how long have you (not your kids), but you--been on Kerri's protocol? I assume you have/had Lyme and tickborne infections?
Hiker53
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
Hiker, I would like to read that link you are referring to...can you post it here? I couldn't find the one where he allegedly says MMS does not kill malaria. I do not think Jim's work in Africa was a scam. MMS kills a lot of things, even the detractors agree on that point.
I said above that it takes years to kill parasites. I think most will agree with that point. The CD protocol we are on kills them faster and more effectively than anything I know of.
I have been on Kerri's protocol since June of 2013. I did have lyme in the past and also babesia and bartonella and ehrlichia. I also was taking the Dr K lyme cocktail all summer to address any new lyme or coinfection reinfections since, being new to CD, I was not sure that CD would kill them.
We did test CD against lyme on the EDS machine in one of my kids and it showed it would kill it along with bartonella. It did not show it would kill babesia, so that is the main reason we did the Dr K cocktail all summer.
**edited name of LLMD**
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Posted by Looking (Member # 13600) on :
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if this did work and big pharma was behind suppressing such a cheap treatment.
I remember a doctor who was trying to get publicity begging one of the pharma companies to keep making a cancer drug that was very effective for a certain type of children's cancer but they would not because it was too rare of a cancer for them to make any profit off of the drug.
Well, does this LEAKED VIDEO Undeniably Prove Red Cross Performed a Successful Field Test Using MMS on Malaria?
"The Red Cross staff administering the malaria treatment was thrilled by the success of the test. However, the International Federation of Red Cross & Red Crescent Societies (IFRC - the parent organization) was not thrilled at all.
When Leo Koehof released his version of a video documenting the same field test, the IFRC came out with a statement saying, "IFRC strongly dissociates from the claim of a 'miracle' solution to defeat malaria".
Klaas Proesmans, the narrator of the video, did everything he could to keep the results secret."
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Hey, I don't know but I also don't trust the drug companies who have killed countless people with many unsafe drugs and why do the drugs have to cost an arm and a leg, like mepron?
I doubt MMS used carefully is any more toxic than half the drugs we use.
Call me jaded, but take everything with a grain of salt and make up your own mind after careful research. You might be surprised at all the info that is hidden from the public or twisted to support an agenda.
Take the Lyme Disease controversy for instance.
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
Tickbattler,
Here is the site where Jim Humble writes a letter saying MMS does not kill malaria.
quote from Jim "Only the malaria cases were not helped. That was a great embarrassment to our Minister in the jungle, and to me as well. I told people that they could cure malaria with CDS and then it did not work.
That was an embarrassment, but even worse I complicated the situation by writing and sending out a bulletin with incorrect information as well."
And Humble certainly makes money off this. His videos are advertised at the bottom of that same web page.
You and others, of course, are free to do whatever treatment you think is best for you. I personally think we have now beat this topic to death.
Hiker53
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
Looking - I totally agree with you. There is no incentive for big pharma to do studies on MMS because it can't be patented and will wipe out their profits. You can easily cure ear infections with MMS ear drops and many other childhood problems in a much safer way than taking a systemic antibiotic. They are terrified of MMS.
Hiker - I knew there was something fishy about the claim that Jim said MMS did not cure malaria. If you read the text, it says CDS does not kill malaria. That is not the same as MMS. It is much more diluted version. Jim does not say that MMS itself does not cure malaria. There is much evidence that it dose indeed cure malaria.
My daughter is on CDS right now and it is effectively getting rid of her PANDAS symptoms which were causing bipolar behaviors and multiple personalities among other physical issues.
tickbattler
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
And as far as I know, Jim's MMS videos are free on Utube.
Posted by Eight Legs Bad (Member # 13680) on :
What is the significance of this page, which arose from Wikileaks getting hold of millions of internal emails belonging to Stratfor, a shadowy organisation that specialises in destroying grassroots campaigns on behalf of governments and corporations?
rzh1--I think you are right. I will hang up my argument for now.
Hiker53
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
Eight Legs Bad - thank you so much for the link! It has a great explanation of the chemistry of chlorine dioxide and why it is safe for the body but can kill pathogens. Great find! How did you find it?
Hiker - to go from no reaction with the baby bottle method to puking means that you must have ramped up too fast. CDS is not another name for MMS. CD is the other name for MMS that you are thinking of. CD is different from CDS. I wont go into details here but it is made a different way.
tickbattler
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
Okay, I'll bite. What is CD? What is CDS? I assume that CD is chlorine dioxide which is made when MMS and HCl are mixed together.
I assume a chloride dioxide solution already premixed and put in distilled water. So, chlorine dioxide solution? It's all semantics. As I said before, it is just about how much you dilute it.
So, which do you use--the MMS activated with HCl or the premixed CDS?
The first time I tried MMS I used citric acid to activate it. When I used the baby bottle method I used hydrochloric acid.
I puked with the MMS and citric acid--too much to fast--that was way back in 2006.
I did not find the baby bottle method did anything for me, except give me heartburn--that was probably about a year ago. Also found it too inconvenient for my teaching job.
Tick battler--feel free to PM me when you have time with the details.
By the way CDS might be a quite appropriate acronym as in FDA terms it stands for controlled dangerous substance--LOL.
Hiker53
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Posted by rzh1 (Member # 39396) on :
CD,CDS,MMS,who cares what you call it.Does it turn blue jeans white when you put it on them?.
If it does,it's bleach.Drinking bleach is bad for you,it's stupid.Period,end of story.
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
Hiker - will send you pm...
Posted by Looking (Member # 13600) on :
Chlorine is in our water and our food is washed with it. It is obviously not bad for us in dilute quantities.
There are many chemicals with bleaching qualities besides pure chlorine and just because they all bleach color out does not make them the same thing. They all have different chemical formulas and differing properties.
My dark carpet that was exposed to sunlight behind the curtain was bleached out by sunlight and had to be replaced with tile. Lemon juice bleaches color out.
So some natural substances have bleaching qualities, so saying if something turns material white proves it is bad for you is not necessarily true.
I hope to be open to other opinions and viewpoints. I don't believe one way or the other about this treatment but I find it interesting.
I do, however, respect other people's rights to explore it and report if they feel it has helped them. What may be the end of the story to one person may just be the beginning of discussion to others.
So thanks for this thread, tick battler, and I think you have been very patient with some here. Good for you.
It's easy to make fun of this because of the "bishop" thing which we know was a legal maneuvre to stymie the feds. But this is about the treatment itself and some people are saying it helped them.
Hey, Levaquin, has helped people and it has also damaged a lot of people. I've read some real horror stories about that.
But if someone wants to try it as a last resort antibiotic, that's their choice not mine. I might think it's stupid to take it and that it's bad for you, but my opinion is not the end of the story as to some it has been "their" answer to recovery from lyme.
Posted by aMomWithHope (Member # 19255) on :
Interested in learning more about using this to beat possible PANS/PANDA --
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
Awesome link Eight legs!
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
amomwithhope - I can't recall if we spoke about this before, but this protocol works for PANS/PANDAS. Feel free to send me a pm if you want more detail. There is a video about a recovered PANDAS boy and I will try to find it.
And, of course, my 7 year old daughter has PANS and is recovering on it. No longer missing school, now she is sleeping through the night peacefully, no more horrific nightmares, tantrums mostly gone, playing softball, excelling in school, happy, no longer fearful, no more bi-polar behavior, no more multiple personalities, no more sore throats and no more weekly doctor visits trying to figure out what is wrong. Now we know the cause and we know how to CURE it.
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
Looking - thank you. Well said.
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
MMS is dangerous if one has a genetic problem...persons who are deficient in glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase/toxic exposure to DDT/DDE which IS still in our environment and in our food chain!
"even life-threatening hemolysis in persons who are deficient in glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase."
Clearly bleaching has to do with oxidation. Some people on this forum don't know what oxidation is and how it works amongst many different chemical compounds and some comments reflect a 3rd grade science mentality generalizing with over simplification of complex scientific chemical interactions.
Our bodies rely on oxidation to be healthy. It is core to why we have lungs and breathe.
Yet any oxidation processes reduce visible color of compounds. Oxidation also kills bacteria within our bodies, on a routine daily basis, with or without MMS.
a generic defination of bleaching is to remove color. This indicates that a chemical reaction has gone on. just because a reaction happens with one thing does not mean it will happen with another. This is why you can swim in a chlorine treated pool and your hair color remains the same as well as your skin color and the color of your bathing suit... yet cholorine is known for an ability to bleach when it is strong. Yet in a pool it kills microbes without killing or damaging you when it is properly diluted in a swimming pool.
the effect that the element chlorine has depends on its compounded structure and exactly what other compounds it comes into contact with.
There are a hell of a lot of chlorine molecules in your body. It is essential to your life. Consider hydrochloric acid, and sodium chloride for instance, as just two of many.
If you look at the science of MMS (sodium chlorite or when activated, chlorine dioxide) you will find that free chlorine is never released from this compound.
I dont know much about methalation issues, but I hear it being called genetic by some people. I seriously doubt this at least on the level that it was inherited genetically . Most likely caused by chemical exposures, vaccinations, herbicides, pesticides, plastics, estrogenic substances and usage of drugs like antibiotics and others. You cant keep pumping that junk into you and not expect to pay. Genetics can be damaged by drugs. Sometimes they can be repaired by detoxing those drugs and other toxins. These toxicities can also predispose people to huge issues with parasites and microbs of all sorts because they have damaged their systems in their most core structures and abilities to transfer informaiton. Much can and will go askew.
We are clearly seeing from these kids that have autism that the damages can be reversed with proper diet and detox.
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
Carmen - great points! I totally agree with you on the methylation thing. We are seeing many kids with methylation issues get well on the CD protocol. Getting rid of the bacteria, viruses, bacteria, candida, heavy metals and PARASITES changes everything.
Posted by aMomWithHope (Member # 19255) on :
Thank you, Tick Battler, for the video link.
I am still researching this, so I appreciate all the information I can get, both pro and con.
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Autism - underlying cause maybe (1) genetic, (2)infections - candida and others (including those found in dried milk formulas - dried formula cannot be sterilized!) and or (3) toxins that crossed the placental barrier.
If ClO2 is so powerful on microbes, why does it not destroy probiotics? Or does it?
The metabolites of ClO2 are chlorite and chlorate.
The maximum acceptable concentration (MAC) for chlorite in drinking water is 1 mg/L. The MAC for chlorate in drinking water is 1 mg/L. A guideline for chlorine dioxide is not required because of
its rapid reduction to chlorite in drinking water.
Marnie: Kerri Rivera attributes autism primarily to an overgrowth of bacteria, viruses, candida, heavy metals and PARASITES. There are factors that predispose the child to autism such as chemicals and vaccines and poor diet, causing a weakened immune system and hence greater susceptibility to infections and inflammation.
Because CD and the Kalcker parasite protocol cure autism, clearly we can see that infections are the number one cause. Wipe out the infections and parasites, clean up the diet and the child heals because the immune system and the gut can have a fresh start.
But yes, each generation of children is more and more toxic, due to the chemicals and infections and parasites and heavy metals passed on to the fetus. And then assault the child's immune system even more with tons of flu shots and vaccines (4 vaccines at once) and the child's immune system falls apart.
And add to the fact that with world travel, we have every tropical parasite and worm here in the USA.
And finally, to top it off, our doctors and our population do not believe we have worms or that they cause any harm and need to be treated. We deworm our dogs and horses. But why would we do such a thing for ourselves??
So, I wonder why autism and ADHD and asthma and allergies and depression keep growing? Autism is now 1 in 50. When I was a child it was 1 in 10,000. What are we going to do when it is 1 in 2? That is not far off. What will it take for mainstream medicine to wake up?
It's really so simple. So obvious. Right in front of us and we can't see it. So sad.
Posted by MattH (Member # 30846) on :
I had a major problem with mercury toxicity. I did the dmps challenge test and was in the low 20's. I had 18 fillings and started getting them replaced, took about 3 years. At the time I did not know I had Lyme.
My son was displaying similar symptoms and I thought he might also have heavy metal and or mercury toxicity. This again was before he was diagnosed with Lyme. He took the challenge test and was only a few points lower than me. He has not had a single silver filling.
Now something was holding onto the mercury, I would think from his shots, even before he got Lyme. He did display ADD like symptoms as a child.
Once we discovered he had been bitten and was tested for Lyme I can understand the body holding on to the mercury, but his body was retaining it even before the Lyme.
So the increase in Autism is alarming but apparently there really is a significant amount of heavy metal and other toxins that our kids are exposed to.
I have not gotten challenge tested to see if my mercury has gone down further since I have been using MMS though.
All the Best, MattH
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
Thanks for sharing, Matt. I have heard from many docs that worms absorb and hold onto mercury and other toxins and heavy metals. This is one reason why there is such die off when we kill them because so much junk is released into our bodies. So, clearing the parasites helps clear the mercury.
Since being on MMS, my son showed NO MERCURY when we last tested him through EDS testing! It was wonderful to see because in the past, he has always shown it when tested prior to being on the CD protocol.
I don't doubt that heavy metals and toxins are a contributor to autism. I did mention this above; but I still strongly believe that parasites and an overload of infections are the biggest factor.
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
From a cardiac surgeon and not too hard to read (her take on the dangers of MMS):
"Nitrites and *chlorites* are thought to act synergistically to produce MetHb.
Neonates and persons with G-*-PD deficiency are likely to be unusually susceptible to MetHb formation from these compounds because their red cells lack the metabolic machinery to
adequately protect against oxidant stress.
Since male blacks represent the largest population in the U.S. to be G-6PD deficient, Black male neonates may represent the group at highest risk to the use of chlorine dioxide as a disinfectant in the nations water supplies."
PMID:753950
Methemoglobin basically results in the inability of blood to carry oxygen within the body causing cyanosis (lack of oxygen to the system).
MMS looks to “oxidize” Mn = manganese and Fe = iron (et al) which
several pathogens depend upon (agreed)
BUT
SO DO WE – especially iron to carry oxygen.
IMO...too much collateral damage.
AND antioxidants cannot be taken at the same time as MMS. We need antioxidants to protect our cells and our DNA from oxidative damage.
The above is VERY easy to read and VERY interesting.
Many of the BENEFICIAL microbes may suffer as a result of MMS.
[ 04-04-2014, 12:01 PM: Message edited by: Marnie ]
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
Matt - I forgot to mention that Kerri does incorporate gentle chelation with supplements into the CD protocol after a few months into it.
tickbattler
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
I appreciate the links and the first hand experiences of this thread.
I am completely neutral about this treatment type.
I like to learn new things and just wanted to say thanks for sharing TickBattler.
Posted by trishden (Member # 722) on :
Thank you guys for this conversation. My metabolic specialist who has a PhD recommends I do this. I've had Lyme for 20 years but have been debilitated for the last 3 and I had some success with an LLMD until she told me I was in remission. Clearly I wasn't and have been getting no help via the mainstream. The CD sounds like a miracle and I know it's going to be a long haul. I'm ready for it!
Posted by TNT (Member # 42349) on :
Hey, trishden, I was just looking at this thread again recently. Keep us posted. I may have to give it more of a go than I previously did.
I would love to hear an update from tickbattler.
Posted by freddyboyd (Member # 45084) on :
FDA warned consumers not to consume or use Miracle Mineral Solution, an oral liquid solution also known as "Miracle Mineral Supplement" or "MMS." The product, when used as directed, produces an industrial bleach that can cause serious harm to health
Trishden, my husband did it again and he said it killed a bunch of stuff and recommends it.
Posted by MattH (Member # 30846) on :
So it has been a while since I updated. I continue to use MMS about 4 days a week and have added a strong rife machine with my current doug coil routine.
My Health Insurance would not allow long term the ABX combo I needed so I decided to go a different direction. Because I have had the Lyme, Bart and CPN for so long (at least 15 years), I do not think the ABX can reasonably get to the bugs or to get through whatever is protecting the bugs.
Since I have been using by doug coil and rife machine for CPN my cough has gone done dramatically. This is by far the best result from any of the energetic medicine approaches I have tried. I had a CPN resurgence this summer and that is why I went back to the ABX, but I could not get a monthly dose of Azith, I could only get 60 tablets every 90 days. And felt the cough return during the time I did not have the Azith.
The Ondamed machine (through a practitioner) seems the best at hitting the Bart, my lower legs feel really good for a couple of days after the treatment. However I have to drive so far for a treatment I am at about once every two months now.
My approach, it is a theory that could be mostly wrong, is to hit the bugs with the doug coil and rife and get them moving then hit them with the MMS when they are on the move.
I am only modestly herxing on my two machines so I have begun much longer sessions that seem to be helping. I use the machines about 6 times a week. I have been using both machines at night now instead of alternating nights for about a week.
Still have many neuro issues (memory and motivation) and am obviously interested in seeing what three months on this protocol will do.
All the Best, MattH
Posted by trishden (Member # 722) on :
Do people really trust the FDA??!!
Anyway, tell your husband thanks Catgirl, I'm glad to hear he's had success with the CD/MMS.
I have a lot of killing to do. I not only have lyme but I'm waiting on igenex test result for bart, babs, and elichia.
I highly suspect bart because of the burning feet and my son has a confirmed case of babs. On top of that I have a high count of HSV1 (which the metabolic specialist said I better control or I'll end up with Alzheimer's) and Epstein Barr, CMV, mycoplasma, annaplasm and a raging case of candida that nothing is touching.
So I have a lot to kill. I'm glad to hear MattH that you have had some success with the MMS, I haven't gone the rife or coil route yet but I was doing a homemade Hulga Clark zapper, didn't feel like it was doing much, but maybe if I didn't have it I would be way worse off.
I hear ya about the mainstream, I've had it with them and I have good insurance. I think my last bad turn was because the antibiotics did me in, as soon as they put me on tindimax, BAM I was raging with candida and I've been bad ever since.
I'm just really excited about this MMS/CD that it will take care of the viruses and yeast too. My specialist said she has had amazing results with treating her autistic kids. She says sometimes it is a miraculous turn around after only a day, from no eye contact, drooling, not talking, to all of a sudden coming out of their shell.
Since I've been reading Kerri's book I have found that there is a faction of the researchers who believe that the autistic kids are suffering from some of the same problems us lymies have which is an overabundance of pathogens, viruses, yeasts and parasites all bundled up in biofilms just making us all miserable.
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