I am considering rifing because of acid reflux. So, those of you who use this technique, would you mind answering a few questions?
- Does it help?
- Does it cure lyme and coinfections?
- Can it be used alone, or do you still need antibiotics or herbs?
- Does it kill healthy bacteria in the body, requring supplementation with probiotics?
- Can it be harmful to healthy cells in your body?
- Is it an electrical current? I've noticed that grass always dies near large electrical towers, so this concerns me.
- If you didn't like rifing, why?
Anything you can tell me, good or bad, would be appreciated.
Thanks all.
(I know there are books about rifing, but right now, I'm broke.)
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
I'm going to get a couple books to her from our support group library. One is Bryan Rosner 1st book and the other is the story on Royal Raymond Rife and how they crushed the man that was way beyond his time.
I hope you get some opinions.
Pam
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
Please take a look at Spooky2 which just came out. It is extremely reasonable and has many features not found in much more expensive machines. I just ordered the generator, so I am just starting on this journey.
It can help with reflux if you can discover a bacterial cause for the reflux. For instance, my reflux was caused by H-Pylori. One week of treatment and the problem was gone.
The biggest drawback to using frequency treatments is knowing specifically what pathogen is making you ill.
It can cure coinfections, but it takes time and patience. Lyme related coinfections are easier to eliminate than Lyme, but they are still very tough to eliminate.
Lyme can be greatly reduced and over years it may be possible to eliminate, but very difficult to get every last bit of it. At this time we can only kill active form, not cyst form. The bottom line is virtually all active form can be eliminated over time. You have to keep treating to keep it that way. The good news is you can be near normal using this as a long term treatment. My wife is, and has been for some time.
You can use it alone or with other methods. I added Cumanda to my wife's treatment to get ahead of Bartonella. It worked much better for that infection.
We never used probiotics as part of my wife's treatment. It is not typically needed. Frequency treatments are very specific. If you target Lyme, you will only kill two pathogens that we know of. Lyme is one and Syphilus is the other. They are so similar, some of the frequencies can hit either one.
I am sure it is possible to kill beneficial bacteria but it really has not been a problem. For one thing it is specific and we don't target good bacteria. The second reason is if you accidentally do kill beneficial bacteria, it will reestabish itself pretty quickly as you immune system is not also trying to kill this bacteria. I think in many cases, the frequency just weakens the bacterium and the immune system takes care of the rest. Not the case with non threatening bacteria.
There has been no evidence that I am aware of that healthy cells are damaged. It is my understanding that the frequencies that could damage healthy cells are well out of the range of the devices used. For instance, the frequencies that can damage healthy cells are in the X-Ray range. Our frequency devices are not capable of producing ionizing frequencies in that range.
Contact types machines use a small electrical current, but not really comparable to a high voltage power line. You also are not attached to it 24/7 either.
The biggest advantage to this method is that once you have the equipment, it costs very little to treat. You can use it for multiple pathogens. It is one of the few practical long term treatments.
It is not a miracle cure, but a very effective treatment and especially well suited for those that now need a long term maintenance treatment method.
Best regards.
Dan
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
One other thing to keep in mind is this method was not specifically invented to treat Lyme disease and coinfections. It can be used for many infections other than those associated with Lyme. I have personally used it as an effective treatment for Crohns Disease. It took me a few years to figure out what pathogens are involved with Crohns, but once I did figure it out, I was able to eliminate medications for Crohns that really were not working anyway.
Frequency treatments are one of my top two treatments for disease in general. I would not give up my machine for any reason. It has been hugely important to both my wife and my recovery from serious disease. Nothing else could have accomplished our results as cheaply or for any price. Especially for Crohns Disease. There simply is no other method that gets to the root of the problem for Crohns.
Dan
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Maybe someone in your lyme support group has a copy of the Rosner book to loan you? Or even meet up for tea or at a library where you can settle in, maybe they could go do some errands and circle back for the book?
It's best to have that on hand as you can't read it all at once but, still, anyway you can see it or borrow it for any amount of time is a start.
KEY: DO NOT RIFE FOR LYME MORE THAN EVERY 12 DAYS (or do extended times).
To do so can cause kidney damage. Other infections can be treated more frequently and way down the line some can adjust that "no more than every 12 day rule" but that would down the road for anyone new to it.
KEY: LIVER / KIDNEY / ADRENAL SUPPORT STILL VITAL
Protect your machine.
Do not use machine when there is a lightening storm looming or chance of power surges (during times of high summer heat, the peak times of day). A surge protector is a good idea but, still, unplug when not in use. You can't take a chance of a power surge and those surge protectors are not always going to work. Just a good habit to get into with computer and TVs, too.
Also check out Rosner's website and YouTube postings. His links here:
LL Naturopathic links here, too. -
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
Thanks Dan, Keebler, Patches, and Pam.
Keebler, do you Rife? I would like to hear about your experiences.
Dan, it sounds like you have a lot of positive experience with it for you and your wife. I'm encouraged.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- I have a Rife machine, an EMEM5a -- but have not used it more than a couple times for various reasons. It is very loud to me, torture to my ears. The fan that keeps it cool.
Methods of plugging, muffing or diverting attention with music are all very rough. Can't LISTEN to any music, really and, well, the muffs or plugs don't really help much.
But, mostly, my brain function and organization skills are just kaput. I have some notes I've gathered . . . but have not been able to full process what I need to do first . . . regarding heavy metal support, etc.
but I do know that I need to stop turning on my computer because by the time I try to wake up and write a few posts, just toast.
This is to be the year I finally get it together with my rife. Somehow. I am very close to getting to the point where I may not be able to do this if I wait much longer.
I've tried to sort through which frequencies number are best . . . but numbers just flip and dart for my eyes / brain. With various infections, it's a lot to organize.
With the EMEM5, each number has to be manually dialed in. It's not like you can just turn this on and sit in front of it.
Still, others have made due well with an EMEM5. It is possible. So don't look to me. My organizational skills are shot.
And for most the fan sound is not an issue at all. In fact the maker of my rife has made hundreds, if not more and I'm the only person who has this level of sound issues. So, don't look to me but I know it is possible and others have done well.
Best if you can get a LL ND who is familiar with rife you can guide you. That could make a world of difference in getting organized and having a detailed path. -
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
Keebler, great idea to get a LL ND to help with lead her with rife. Not in this part of the country.
There was a ND and they introduced me to my rife. But some big bad men put a stop to that practice.
Sad sad state of affairs. Good job Dan. I too wouldn't let my machine go if I awoke tomorrow with a miracle cure overnight. My machine will always be a part of my life for all types of little things like viruses, simple bacteria, etc.
Pam
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
Keebler,
I'm so sorry that you have these issues.
I think you told me a few years ago, that you have never been to a LLMD because there is not one near you and it is expensive. And maybe you don't like antibiotics - which I understand.
But I wish there were a way for you to see a LLMD, because the antibiotics might give you a boost.
It has helped me. Just not cured me. And I still have days like you are describing, especially if I stop the zithromax - but other times just on its own.
But it is so expensive, and I really don't like it. The cost is sooo wrong. And I am going to a LLMD that really is very reasonable by comparison.
Why is this a rich man's disease. It is crazy?
I hope that you will be able to rife.
(What you are describing sounds like me with clutter. After years of being sick and not able to do anything, I now have days when I feel a little better and I try to organize and clean up the clutter. And it just blows my brain. So hard to think - "Do I need this. Why was I keeping this, etc".)
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- I do not think it's really expensive or wrong, LLMD or LL ND fees. They have to pay medical tuition, fees, keep their office open and employees paid, their own insurances . . . . It's no higher than what other doctors get through insurance. Usually much lower when it's all figured out.
Many regular MDs actually get money to NOT treat lyme.
What's so wrong is that our medical system shuts them out - and us, too, and that medical whole system is so damaged and diseased for many with chronic illness. That same system has forced malpractice insurance to be sky high for those doctors who are forced to practice solo for illnesses not covered by insurances.
And, when illness prevent employment, etc. access is cut off in other ways.
Regaring access, though. No LLMD in my state - a very "lyme hostile" state for MDs. I traveled twice but could not continue and both actually turned out not to be very LL at all, very disappointing.
An excellent ILADS educated LL ND is just 5 miles from me, though. I have managed two consults there but funds beyond that were / are just not possible.
I do have a regular ND (who graciously offers a sliding scale fee) of whom I can ask basic questions, just not specific to lyme, et. al.
What little money I did have was spent on NDs who said they knew all about lyme but did not, not at all, really, when I was finally diagnosed in 1997 - there were not even any ILADS LL NDs then in my state (and my state will likely deny lyme for MDs for all of time, I have no hope of that ever changing) - but we do have several LL NDs.
Still, accessibility is major issue for 99% now and in the future, most likely, too. We all do what we can with what we have . . . I just wish my brain and energy were good enough to work with me. THAT's a huge problem when we have to figure out so much on our own.
Yet, the internet had not even started when I was first diagnosed. Since that time, it has helped many find key details. And ILADS started their physician training program, another excellent thing -- I've learned so much from ILADS.
Without the web, I would be really lost, so grateful to have some access to information. Just wish I had a body that could do to follow through!
Rarely do I "go there" about all this, no point and takes too much energy. Once in a while, though, it seems that "this" question is asked and I don't seem to be able to slip away from it. So I try to put in perspective -
-- and it's also why I work so hard here to share information and to illuminate the need for an ILADS educated doctor, whether MD or ND, for those who can access such. For others, sharing articles, books, etc.
I've glad the web & LymeNet is here to help. -
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
I had a Doug Coil & 832 helped with acid reflux (which made sense to me after I learned Bartonella can cause acid reflux).
I HIGHLY recommend ginger chews (crystallized ginger) and/or ginger tea use on a daily basis.
It neutralizes acidity (toxins from bacteria) in the gut & can relieve herxes instantly.
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
Keebler, that's what I mean about this being a rich man's illness. Because insurance won't cover the office visits, people need a lot of money to do all of this.
I spent so much with my credit card trying to get well from CFS and didn't have a computer then, either.
By the time I figured out it was lyme, the monetary resources were slim.
Hopefully, the rifing will work as well as antibiotics for you, if not better. Good luck.
Keeber, I bet that people here could help you set it up if you post questions - but I know how hard these things can be with cognitive dysfunction.
Canefan, because of acid reflux, many antibiotics are off limits for me, even a lot of herbs, too.
Ginger makes it worse, however, Buhner says it must be fresh ginger, that the dried is what causes acid reflux. I haven't tried the fresh, yet.
Do you think the Doug Coil & 832 have helped you significantly with lyme and cos? Sounds like it went after the Bart really well.