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Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
I just found this FDA warning and wanted to let others know about it.

Don't mistake an adverse drug reaction for a herx!!!

Some Antibiotics Linked to Serious Nerve Damage

"Aug. 27, 2013 -- The FDA is strengthening its warning that a popular class of antibiotics, called fluoroquinolones, may cause sudden, serious, and potentially permanent nerve damage called peripheral neuropathy...."

I'm currently experiencing tendon swelling, peripheral neuropathy and double vision since taking levaquin in early September. I hope it's not permanent. Lot's of pain going on.

I just wanted to post the information I've gathered so others can make an informed decision if they want to take these drugs.

2008 Black Box warning for Fluoroquinolones

THE FLUOROQUINOLONE TIME BOMB NEWS: Certain antibiotics may cause nerve damage (Sept. 2014)

Floxie Hope

Levaquin is not a Cure for Bartonella


Cipro is Poison

Ask a Patient – Levaquin

Ask a Patient – Avelox

Ask a Patient – Cipro

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Posted by poppy (Member # 5355) on :
Avelox did a number on my achilles tendons. This was almost ten years ago, and while they did not rupture, they never healed.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I know I have damage too ... I think they damaged my nerves and muscles.

I'm slowly making recovery with ReMag and ReLyte. (magnesium and minerals)
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
Cipto did it to me but i stopped as i felt it in arm thoght i was crazy but i did not get leg damsge fromcipro

I did however get similar damage from statins
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I think Cipro is the one that started me off.
Posted by beaches (Member # 38251) on :
Cipro is the ONLY thing that has helped my chronic UTIs. I SO wish there were other alternatives.

I have tried EVERY cranberry supp. One of them helped for years, but apparently has worn off.

I am now taking Seagate OLE in hopes to treat/prevent UTIs.

I think the OLE is useful. But I think I will ultimately need to once again take the cipro to tame a UTI that will eventually turn into a kidney infection unless I take an oral abx.

Been there, done that, way too many times. When it comes to taking the cipro vs. not, my options are limited.

Taking the oral cipro is much more acceptable than ending up in the hospital with a full-blown kidney infection.
Posted by lostlyme (Member # 38561) on :
I was taking fluoroquinolones and always took a little break after being on it for 3 weeks, alternating with another type of antibiotic for bartonella.

Also took a lot of magnesium and never had any tendon pain , or any other issues.
Posted by Razzle (Member # 30398) on :
Need Vitamin C in high doses if have damaged tendons.

Need Vitamin B12 and other B Complex vitamins to heal nerve damage.

It is only considered "permanent" because regular medical science does not recognize healing can occur using non-pharmaceutical substances and/or without surgery.
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
The people who haven't had a bad reaction are lucky.

The reactions are delayed and can happen 6 months or even a year after taking the med.

I saw one estimate that 1 in 100 to 1 in 250 are effected adversely from fluoroquinolones.

These are chemo meds.

Don't mistake a bad reaction for a herx. This stuff is a time bomb.


It ruins the mitochondria.

I've spoken to so many people who have had issues with these meds and healthy lifestyle made NO difference.

I took high doses of magnesium before taking it and it made no difference. I take a ton of supplements and support for Lyme already.

I even read the tedonitis solution BEFORE taking it and was doing the stuff on there because it was so similar to Lyme treatment. I and wanted to make sure this bad stuff wouldn't happen.

My body keeps having more and more reactions to this stuff. I'm 6 weeks out from my last dose and I dread what's next.

I was reading about D-mannose for UTIs.
Posted by Razzle (Member # 30398) on :
Can regenerate mitochondria with PQQ.
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
Beaches-im sorry thrre is no alternatuve but you do have to tke it

Kidney infection can be life threatening

I have had llmds tell me more than once to take a short course of steroids for bells or asthma or colitis if it is bad

And we all know steroids are bad for us

I hope you are prepared to take the supplements that help protect you

There are whole mitichondrial protocols...i had to use these after being poisoned by statins to a point where i couldnt walk

Take csre of yourself...
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :

Thanks so much for all the excellent detail here. Such an important matter.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
beaches .. I was getting UTI's very frequently and about 6-7 yrs ago I began taking D-Mannose twice a day. Not a single infection since then.
Posted by beaches (Member # 38251) on :
D-Mannose was the first thing I tried. Had no effect whatsoever in preventing UTIs/kidney infections.

I have a very long history of UTIs/kidney infections. I went into full blown sepsis once, because my ONLY symptom was a high fever! Almost went septic again due to that being the only sx, but by that point we knew it was likely due to kidney infection. I've been hospitalized about 25 times for them (yes, you read that right!), and the ONLY sx was the fever. It's VERY frightening.

Last few years, thankfully, I get the actual UTI sx. Unpleasant, but waaay better than just showing up in the ER with a fever of 102+ and rising.

This supplement IMO helped prevent those kidney infections:

It's a great supplement, but lately it hasn't helped prevent the UTIs, hence the need for the cipro.

I know all about the tendon damage from this class of drugs. When I had sepsis from the first kidney infection, I was on IV levaquin for 10 days or so.

My Achilles tendon was so sore I could barely walk. I know the tendon damage/pain can come months or years later.

Bactrim used to work, but the last time I took it, my entire body itched all over, which I think was an allergic reaction.

So now I am faced with trying to prevent/treat these infections with the only oral abx I can take that covers the e. coli/klebsiella organisms.

The OLE extract is helping to keep it at bay, but I do think that within the next few days I will have to start the cipro.

Posted by beaches (Member # 38251) on :
Kayak, thanks! I know...I will have to do what I have to do.

As for the steroids, I don't sweat that. DD was a very bad asthmatic. She needed to breathe. I need them for another medical situation. End of story. It is what it is.
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
Gosh, the decisions we have to make are so tough.

There's always a decision between risks and benefits.

I didn't have enough information to make an informed decision before taking levaquin.

That's what's upsetting. I was never told some of the important risks (like the permanent nerve damage or tendonitis being incredibly common, not rare, or that the symptoms come on so incredibly fast).

If a situation is life threatening, I can understand wanting to take a risky drug.

I read one story where it took a woman 4 years to recover from a fluoroquinolone. She then got cellulitis and it was take a fluoroquinolone are die.

She took the med and had to go through recovering again.

It sounds like not all the damage is repairable though once a line is crossed.

We've go to do what we have to do....
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
More info:

Thread: fluoroquinolones cause secondary gene mutation amplifying resistance
Posted by LisaK (Member # 41384) on :
wow! terrible! as if we don't have enough to worry about!!!
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
To make it even more confusing, a lot of fluoroquinolone toxicity symptoms are the same as Lyme symptoms.

So many people with bad symptoms from fluoroquinolones were tested for Lyme and were told they were negative (who knows if that's accurate either).

Since you can have delayed reactions to fluoroquinolones for years I'm now faced with when I have a flare up asking, "Is this from Lyme or is this from levaquin???"

I won't know whether I need antibiotics or something else.

This is the conundrum that's going to plague me now.

I had to stop all meds last week. For some reason the antibiotics were interfering with healing my tendons and nerves. Those are more disabling than infection symptoms right now (or so it seems). So much pain and swelling, especially at my joints. Ugh...
Posted by CherylSue (Member # 13077) on :
Levaquin and cipro gave me nerve damage - terrible burning sensations all over my body.
Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
What about factive?? Same thing? Cherylsue was your damage permanent?

I have to think of other alternatives for bart. Rifampin didn't do the job even after 2yrs and when I tried septra I got these weird thing on the bottom of my feet and finger tips. They hurt to the touch and couldn't figure out if it was killing the RMSF or a drug reaction.

What do we do? Cant take biasing many heart issues on that.
Posted by Razzle (Member # 30398) on :
There are herbal protocols for Bart.

Buhner, Byron White, etc.
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
"I have to think of other alternatives for bart. "

I was faced with this decision too. I'm allergic to all the drugs for it.

I don't think the fluoroquinolones actually completely get rid of bart:

I can't do Byron White. He uses ingredients I'm allergic to.

I do okay with Researched Nutritionals - BLt.

At least the infections aren't spreading like wildfire right now. I'm just looking for containment while I heal from the "adverse drug reaction" from levaquin.
Posted by lookup (Member # 44574) on :
beaches- some people do well on supporting the

urinary tract by taking Omega 7. It helps the

bacteria to not stick to the mucosa.

This one is my favorite:

It is also good for roasacea, scars, dry eyes,

dry mouth. Moisturizes the lining of the bowel.
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
I took the generic levaquin (levofloxacin). There was NO black box warning on it.

Here are the warnings that I found online (this is IN ADDITION to the 2013 FDA warning).

There are 3 sections (the black box, section 5 with more warnings and section 6 with adverse reactions).
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Top Ten Ways to Avoid Fluoride:

See #8
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
I know these are risky drugs but avelox knocked my Bart back in a big way. I don't think quin. drugs eradicate Bart completely though.
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
"I don't think quin. drugs eradicate Bart completely though."

They don't. There was just a post with studies saying bart builds resistance.
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
This is timely:

Experts: Top antibiotic carries hidden side effects not listed on the label (posted November 3, 2014 on ABC)

"Bennett said thousands of people have reported psychiatric side effects to the FDA. He also pointed to a 2013 FDA review of six different fluoroquinoles, including Levaquin, that raised the possibility of mitochondrial toxicity."

[ 11-03-2014, 11:21 PM: Message edited by: Judie ]
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I just saw a post on FB about someone who thinks a quinolone caused their bipolar.
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
The FB person is probably right. Look at the psychiatric symptoms on page 5:

On page 10 it says you're at greater risk for peripheral neuropathy if you take levaquin and have Lyme:

Here's info on mitochondrial toxicity:
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :

More info if you remember Def Leppard, the keyboard player died of being floxed:
Posted by dali (Member # 24458) on :
Can this warning be put at the top of the discussion section permanently....that way those who do take it will have all of the information prior to doing so.

It is that important. I am seeing to many people damaged by these chemicals on this forum. Sad, when there are other options.

Hope this gets taken seriously.
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
I'm in a support group for people with chronic illness. The members have random, awful symptoms. Many the doctors can't figure out.

I made an announcement about what happened to me with levaquin, warning people not to take these drugs.

It turns out at least 2 others were damaged by cipro and levaquin.

One was taking steroids with cipro at the same time and has been seriously ill for quite awhile.

The other is the one I mentioned in the other thread who committed suicide a couple months after my announcement. She couldn't take the pain and vertigo that cipro caused her to have anymore.

This is after making my Lyme announcement two years ago. I urged people to get tested. Two people came back positive for Lyme (not the cipro people) and are now in treatment.

So many are walking around damaged by Lyme and/or fluoroquinolones and don't know it.

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Posted by beaches (Member # 38251) on :
Judie, I am SO sorry to hear about your friend.

Quite literally, Cipro is the ONLY oral abx I can take for chronic UTIs b/c of allergies to numerous other abx, as well as the type of gram neg bacteria found in my uriine cultures.

When my UTIs decide to go upward I am hospitalized and my IV abx options are somewhat expanded.

I am fully aware of the dangers of this class of drugs. I am also acutely aware that this class of drugs has kept me out of the hospital numerous times.

As with everything else, buyer beware.
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
List of different generations of quinolones.

In the news:

WSBTV - Local woman says popular antibiotic killed her husband (Jan. 30, 2015)

CBS - Powerful Antibiotic Could Be A Prescription For Danger (February 13, 2015)
Posted by Gisele (Member # 32250) on :
I have Lyme & have had an IV 2.5 years I had a bad bladder infection. Ciprofloxacin was the only PO drug to that would cure my infection, all the others were heavy duty IV drugs. It affected all my ligaments & tendons. When I asked my LLMD she said stick it out for a month.

I knew the infection was bad I saw the results & why my internist would not touch it. I walked with 2 canes & sometimes crawled. I would forget and fall flat on my face a few times. Best I can say 1 month is better than the usual 2 weeks. You will be done!

I had chronic bladder infections in the past. You will never rid yourself from them if you do only 10-14 days if it's stubborn it will return in a couple of months! The pain is bad, but it can lead to horrible kidney issues. Laying down the pain was not as bad.

It took about a month for the pain especially in the achillis tendon to go down. Use heat,ice, topicals along the way along with your usual pain meds! Everytime I get a UTI I pray for it to be clean more than the other tests.
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
"Use heat,ice, topicals along the way along with your usual pain meds! "

Unfortunately that's not enough for the degree of damage these drugs cause if you are floxed.

There was even a class action lawsuit for PERMANENT tendon damage from these drugs.

People who are floxed usually wind up not being able to process medications like ibuprofen because their metabolism has been messed up.
Posted by beaches (Member # 38251) on :
All I know is that Cipro is the drug of choice for me. I wish it wasn't but it is. And I am grateful that there is SOMETHING that keeps me out of the hospital.
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
I started this thread to warn others about the risks. I'd like to stay on topic.

More articles about fluoroquinolones causing damage:

The Poisoning of America: The Rise of 'Mystery' Illnesses Including Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Fibromyalgia, and Gulf War Syndrome

2014-01-06 Gulf War Illness Tied to Cipro Antibiotics

Military Times - NAVY TIMES
New FDA warnings on Cipro may tie into Gulf War illness

(I'm copying and pasting this article because it looks like it's disappeared from the Internet before)

Nov. 1, 2013 - 02:52PM
By Patricia Kime - Staff writer

During the 1990-91 Persian Gulf War, then-Navy corpsman David Ridenhour often browbeat troops in 1st Battalion, 5th Marines to take their medications — the anti-nerve agent pyridostigmine bromide and another pill, new to the market, to prevent anthrax.

Ridenhour took them. And while he doesn’t completely blame his Gulf War illness symptoms on the drugs, he was interested to learn that last summer the Food and Drug Administration toughened its warnings for Ciprofloxacin,or Cipro, saying the potent antibiotic can cause severe and sometimes permanent nerve damage.

Ridenhour has that damage, known as peripheral neuropathy, which manifests as tingling and numbness in his limbs.

“They told us to start taking the Cipro, and I didn’t know what it was for,” he said. “But I clearly remember being told it was to prevent anthrax. Until then, as far as I knew, anthrax was a sheep disease.”

It’s been well documented that the Defense Department stockpiled 30 million doses of Cipro during the Gulf War, and 150,000 troops received anthrax vaccines to prevent infection. But less well known is that during Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm, some troops actually took Cipro in anticipation of an anthrax attack.

According to Marine Corps documents, members of I Marine Expeditionary Force near Jubayl, Shaikh Isa and Bahrain International Airport and elsewhere took Cipro for a week or more as a prophylactic — although it was not approved to
prevent or treat anthrax.

That approval from the FDA wouldn’t come for nine more years.

“What gives me nightmares at night is that I feel like I helped poison the guys in my unit,” Ridenhour said in a recent interview with Military Times.

Powerful antibiotics: Cipro and other fluoroquinolones — including Levaquin, Avelox and
other medications with “flox” in their names — are powerful antimicrobials used to treat serious bacterial infections.

But along with potency comes a litany of precautions, warnings and side effects — information that service members and their families should consider when they are prescribed these medications, or when they request them to treat routine infections.

In 2008, the FDA added a boxed warning — its most serious alert — to fluoroquinolones, noting they can cause tendonitis and tendon rupture. In 2011, the agency added a second boxed warning, saying the medications can worsen the symptoms of myasthenia gravis.

And while the most recent warning for peripheral neuropathy is not the most severe alert, it is alarming.

According to the FDA, nerve damage “may occur soon after these drugs are taken and may become permanent,” and is unrelated to dosage levels.
The warning applies to oral medications as well as those delivered by injection.

“The onset of peripheral neuropathy after starting fluoroquinolone therapy was rapid, often within a few days. In some patients, the symptoms had been ongoing for more than a year despite discontinuation of the fluoroquinolone,” according to the FDA.

In 2011, 23 million patients received prescriptions in the U.S. for Cipro and other fluoroquinolones, including 294,069 prescriptions dispensed at Defense Department facilities. From 2009 to 2012, a total of 1.2 million prescriptions for fluoroquinolones were distributed at military treatment facilities.

'Guinea pigs': Cipro has a long history of use in the U.S. military, dating to at
least 1989 when it was tested on soldiers in Egypt for travelers’ diarrhea.

It was again widely used in the Persian Gulf War, although the number of those who actually took it is not well documented. Former troops who wrote Military Times said they took white pills that they later figured out were Cipro when the drug became more widely recognized and distributed.

“I’m one of those Marine combat veteran guinea pigs who took those pills,” one former service member wrote. “I’m 100 percent service-connected [VA disability] because of the toxic soup we were exposed to and those damn pills.”

Biological warfare experts and retired Marine Gen. Walter Boomer, who led I MEF during the Gulf War, said precautions were taken because the threat of an anthrax attack was legitimate.

By September 1990, Iraq had achieved industrial-scale production of anthrax, had stockpiled 30 tons of the medium needed to grow more and had shown no reservations about launching chemical attacks on its own people.

“We viewed [anthrax] with as much seriousness as their potential to use chemical weapons; ... I was presented by [U.S. Central Command] with these options that if we were attacked it would prevent an outbreak, so with that information, it was a fairly simple decision,” Boomer said.

Scientists have spent years trying to determine what may have caused 250,000 Gulf War veterans to develop multiple and often debilitating symptoms after the war.

Because symptoms are varied and troops were exposed to a variety of environmental hazards, from oil well fires, pesticides, vaccinations, medications and possibly nerve agents, researchers say it will be difficult to pinpoint a cause.
But Ridenhour thinks the recent FDA warning may explain some of his symptoms. “It clearly says ‘peripheral neuropathy,’ and that’s what I have,” he said.

In 2000, the FDA approved Cipro to prevent inhalation anthrax after possible exposure, the first antibiotic approved as a treatment in the
event of a biowarfare attack.

During the 2001 anthrax attacks, thousands of workers at the U.S. Postal Service, the White House, the U.S. Capitol and elsewhere took Cipro. The Department of Health and Human Services requested enough to provide 12 million people with doses for 60 days.

While Cipro and other fluoroquinolones are widely prescribed, their use has leveled off since 2002. Within DoD, prescriptions for fluoroquinolones actually are waning, down 14 percent since 2009, according to Pentagon data
Posted by SickSam (Member # 45330) on :
This internal FDA memo recognizes that a patient who had successfully taken fluoroquinolones before passed his "fluoroquinolone tolerance threshhold" with the first pill of a second round of Levaquin:

On page 9. He was put in ICU and died two weeks later. Scary stuff.
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
Originally posted by SickSam:
This internal FDA memo recognizes that a patient who had successfully taken fluoroquinolones before passed his "fluoroquinolone tolerance threshhold" with the first pill of a second round of Levaquin:

On page 9. He was put in ICU and died two weeks later. Scary stuff.

That pretty much sums it up. Fluoroquinolones are a time bomb. The drugs works by causing cell death (in both the host and infection).

Once you cross a certain point (even just one pill can do it), you can't come back.

I would like to copy and paste the text on page 9, but can't for some reason. I hope other will read it. Lots of important information there.

On page 10 it mentions one of the possible predisposing factors is Lyme disease.
Posted by WPinVA (Member # 33581) on :
I think the issue is that doctors don't do a good enough job warning people about the risks of these drugs, AND monitoring them once they are on it. And I think this is true with all drugs, not just flouroquinolines.

Too many doctors prescribe drugs too casually without even knowing all the side effects themselves!
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
Originally posted by dali:
Can this warning be put at the top of the discussion section permanently....that way those who do take it will have all of the information prior to doing so.

It is that important. I am seeing to many people damaged by these chemicals on this forum. Sad, when there are other options.

Hope this gets taken seriously.

I agree. Here's another article:

FDA Allows Chemo Drugs To Be Prescribed As Antibiotics
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Will do!
Posted by dali (Member # 24458) on :
Thank you for taking my suggestion into account. I hope this helps others make an informed decision.
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
Eye issues associated with fluoroquinolones:

Oral cipro use associated with retinal detachment

Drug-induced uveitis

Woman presents with light sensitivity and blurry vision

OCULAR SIDE EFFECTS OF MEDICATIONS (mentions many common meds like for us like Plaquenil, Benadryl, Rifampin along with fluoroquinolones)
Posted by average joe (Member # 26091) on :
I wish I had seen this information BEFORE the damage was done.

While being alerted to the issues with Levequin and electing not to try it as I had more than enough nerve and tendon problems, I was not made aware of Cipro being the same type of drug until after the fact.

Now I can only hope the exponentially increased tendon pain, neuropathy, vision issues and disassociation among many other changes will eventually resolve themselves.

I will say Cipro did help my Bart symptoms quite a bit while taking it but it seems I traded one set of issues for another.

Please be careful with this stuff, it is no joke!
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
Originally posted by average joe:
I wish I had seen this information BEFORE the damage was done....

...I will say Cipro did help my Bart symptoms quite a bit while taking it but it seems I traded one set of issues for another.

Please be careful with this stuff, it is no joke!

I totally agree. I'm sorry you weren't alerted to the dangers and I'm very glad this thread was pinned.

I saw a news report a week after I was floxed. I know it's frustrated.

I hope we can all heal from the damage and inform others of the adverse reactions BEFORE they take these meds.
Posted by mamalicious (Member # 43611) on :
So i developed nerve pain in my head on the left side as a sudden event right after a big pulse of abx in December. It was triggered by a high pitch noise and has led to hyperacusis and severe pain.Dr. J has been useless during this whole thing. I am honestly scared that one of the multiple abx he had me taking caused this as an AE.

I was pulsing Mepron, Mino, Omnicef and Flagyl when it happened.

It was just so sudden in my head, in response to a loud noise and now i seem to have permanent hyperacusis and severe pain that gets worse and worse. I can barely touch head or face and feel like its triggering central pain.The neurosurgeon said I have occipital, temporal and possibly trigemianl neuralgia but MRI doesn't show a cause for sxs.. big surprise...

I am scheduled with Dr.C but am honestly feeling terrified of antibiotics even as bad as other symptoms are getting...My head pain is unbearable daily.

Dr. W has rxed Rifampin, zithromax and planquinil...He thinks I should have a steroid injection even with the risk it is so bad. So scheduled with pain management per the neurosurgeon.

Im in PT, seen craniosacral dr, dentist for teeth and guard for grinding, ND who did some detox and light therapy (the frequency was picked up by the nerve in my head) I think it made it worse. I had lymph massage which also irritated head as it can barely be touched..Im taking triliptal but doesn't do much.

I am baffled and honestly terrified at my turn for the worse.
I am stuck not sure what to do to help myself and everyone is just guessing at what has happened )-:
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
mamalicious - I'm sorry you're in so much pain.

My body lacks the gene to process rifampin and zithromax (I get horribly ill if I take those).

Plaquenil is a quinolone. I got refloxed when I took a quinolone (it doesn't need to be a fluoroquinolone, the quinolones are also an issue).

Can you get a third, fourth or fifth opinion?

There's a couple alternative docs in Texas who know something about Lyme. I don't know how close they are to you.
Posted by mamalicious (Member # 43611) on :
Judie- Can you PM me the names? I am in the Dallas area but am pretty desperate...
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Levaquin can cause nerve damage:
Posted by kam (Member # 3410) on :
OK Able to read some of the posts. I was told I had a bacteria infection when the FNP did a urine test for diabetes.

So took 2 cipro. One yesterday and one this am. Do not want to take a 3rd.

So what do we take.

I have had increased back pain which I read maybe from urinary track infection plus increased over all pain which I thought was due to being back in the apartment vs being at the hotel...but not so sure now.

I have zithro from last the first time I visited the FNP. I had that dry cough thing that I have had for years when the body is running on empty.

She thought I had walking pneumonia or something so prescribed the zithro which I purchased but did not take.

I have had cabteria in my urine off and on since college. Back then I would not get the abx tha twas prescribed as they made me worse.

I would go back for the check up visit and get a clean urine did not put much improtance on the bacteria in the urine thing...unless it hurtt to pee ..then yes..took the abx.

I always got the UTI and it hurt to pee after I had sex with husband. Got where i did not want ot have sex with him nor did I end up even liking him.

So wondering if that along with ohter symptoms that came and went were because he had lyme disease and was passing it on to me??

So much more needs to be studied with this condition.

Docs at the time said I had depression but the anti depresive meds made me depressed.
Posted by kam (Member # 3410) on :
I can not get any of these to pull up on my computer. I wanted to print out the info on one of them and drop it off at FNP's office.
Posted by CherylSue (Member # 13077) on :
Levaquin IV fried my brain and gave me burning sensations all over my body. It took me over a year to recover.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Posted by 'Kete-tracker (Member # 17189) on :
Boy, that Ch 8 website really screwed up my 'pooter! Way too much downloading.
Here's the article text, for those w/ older devices:
8News Investigates: Could this antibiotic permanently damage your health?
(By WRIC Newsroom Published: April 21, 2015)

RICHMOND, Va. (WRIC) – Cipro is a popular and powerful prescription drug that may be in your medicine cabinet right now. But are there hidden side effects that you won’t find on the label?

“I was two weeks into taking Cipro and I lost the ability to talk,” said Richmond Furman, who has never been the same since being prescribed Cipro in 1999.

Cipro, part of a family of drugs called Fluorouquinolones, is powerful enough to treat anthrax and is widely prescribed for everything from ear infections to sinus infections.

Over the years, Furman was prescribed the drug multiple times for everything from a urinary tract infection to an ear infection. And while the infections cleared, he noticed those unusual symptoms intensify with each dose.

“I suffered ringing in the ears, vertigo, sharp stabbing pains, numbness in limbs,” Furman said. “I suffered panic attacks so severe I couldn’t sit down.”

It wasn;t until Furman began to research the drug online that he found there were others like him.

8News obtained an internal FDA memo that shows while more research is needed, the drug could be linked to mitochondrial toxicity. In other words, damage to one’s cells.

The memo goes on to say mitochondrial toxicity could be associated with neurodegenerative diseases like Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s.

“There are still safe and effective drugs, even though they need to be taken with caution,” said Craig Parrish, the Virginia Department of Health’s Pharmacy Director.

Parrish added that these drugs have prevented a lot of hospitalizations, and side effects are rare.

And Bayer, the maker of Cipro, tells us, “patient safety is our top priority. We take all reports of adverse events seriously, and they are reported to the U.S. FDA as required.”

Still, Furman now refuses to take Cipro or any other Fluorouquinolone.

Instead, he takes a sort of cocktail of vitamins and anti-oxidants to counteract what he believes have been the damaging effects of the drug.

Cipro is not the only antibiotic in the family of drugs raising a red flag.

These drugs already come with a warning about tendon ruptures and nerve damage. But there is now a push for serious warnings.

You can watch Part I and Part II of Kerri O’Brien’s investigation at the top of this post.
I was *gonna* take Levofloxacin (sic?) for what ah Bleeved was a lingering "BLO" infection. Now I'm thinking more along the lines of going on an extended detox regiment! -M
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :


This site is to give HOPE to those who are suffering from Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome as a result of being poisoned by fluoroquinolone antibiotics – Cipro, Levaquin, Avelox, Floxin, etc.

It contains stories of healing.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
Tests for if you've been floxed (fluoroquinolone toxicity). This is also for inflammation markers:

I did the tests and they turned out normal, but you never know, something might come up for you.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :

And this site is about peripheral neuropathy
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
fluoroquinolones and AUTISM
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
Originally posted by Lymetoo:
fluoroquinolones and AUTISM

Wow, excellent article. Thanks for posting.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :

Important info about how to list these drugs on your allergy/sensitivity chart.

"When I told my doctors at Kaiser Permanente that I wanted fluoroquinolones to be put in my chart as a drug allergy, they couldn’t do it, because “fluoroquinolones” are a class of drugs, and they could only enter individual drugs into their system.

In order to get all fluoroquinolones in my chart, I had to list every fluoroquinolone separately, because if I just said that I was allergic to Cipro, they would still give me Levaquin, or Avelox or Floxin.

That’s a bit ridiculous seeing as it says ON THE WARNING LABEL that if someone has a history of hyper-sensitivity to one quinolone, they should avoid exposure to other quinolones."

[ 11-30-2015, 11:30 PM: Message edited by: Lymetoo ]
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
Patients share horror stories from commonly used antibiotics

"An FDA panel has found the benefits do not always outweigh the risks when it comes to some commonly prescribed antibiotics."
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
FDA Committee recommends label changes, warnings for popular antibiotics like Cipro, Levaquin
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :

Really good article!
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
Originally posted by Lymetoo:

Really good article!

Yes! It's good.

Everyone should read this before taking this poison.

The article was a repost from this site. Lots of good info here:
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :

Nonantibiotic Effects of Fluoroquinolones in Mammalian Cells

"Fluoroquinolones (FQ) are powerful broad-spectrum antibiotics whose side effects include renal damage and, strangely, tendinopathies. The pathological mechanisms underlying these toxicities are poorly understood...."
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
More info on levaquin not curing bartonella, it just causes resistance:

Bartonella Infection: Treatment and Drug Resistance
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
Some additional links here, one is for what helps after the fact:;f=1;t=131279;p=0

Fluoroquinolone cautions - Links set
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
Letters for your doctor by a doctors to explain fluoroquinolone toxicity. Dr. Plumb was floxed.

Dr. Plumb and Dr. Cohen letters

2016 FDA Warning

FDA Drug Safety Communication: FDA advises restricting fluoroquinolone antibiotic use for certain uncomplicated infections; warns about disabling side effects that can occur together

"Some signs and symptoms of serious side effects include tendon, joint and muscle pain, a “pins and needles” tingling or pricking sensation, confusion, and hallucinations."
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Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
Just finished watching program on medical cannabis. They are using it to treat fluoroquinolone damage, or maybe they said they're treating the pain from it? Not sure which. It's in the Sacred Plant program series.
Posted by TX Lyme Mom (Member # 3162) on :
Nature came out with a new article just this last week, "When Antibiotics Turn Toxic." (Nature, vol. 555, pg. 431-433, 3/22/2018)
by Jo Marchant.

It discusses primarily the quinolone family of antibiotics (Ciprofloxacin and Levaquine, the two best known) and a new syndrome of potentially permanent symptoms recently recognized (in 2016) by the FDA called "fluoroquinolone-associated disability (FQAD).

FQAD sounds kinda' scary and it is. That's why it's wise to be aware of it because quinolones are used whenever other ordinary antibiotics have failed, as well as for primarily life-threatening situations.

The FDA also noted a disturbing pattern: fluoroquinolones had a much higher percentage of disabilities among their serious adverse event reports than did other antibiotics.

Accumulating evidence suggests that fluoroquinolones are damaging mitochondria, the power packs inside human cells that evolved from symbiotic, bacteria-like cells billions of years ago.

This kind of harm can affect every cell in the body, explaining why a wide range of symptoms can appear and get worse over time.

Because mitochondria retain some similarities to their bacterial ancestors, antibiotics can pose a particular threat to them.

Isolated studies from the 1980s on wards have suggested that fluoroquinolones impair mitochondrial function, but a 2013 study by Collins, et al is the most convincing.

They reported that antibiotics in several classes triggered oxidative stress -- a build-up of reactive, oxygen-containing molecules -- in mitochondria, inhibiting their function across a range of mammalian cells.

"We were surprised at how strong the effect was and how common the effect was across different classes," Collins says. But "the largest effects were seen in the quinolones."

At a conference last September, Bennett reported preliminary data that might hint at why only some people develop serious side effects from fluoroquinolones.

He took saliva samples from 24 people who reported neuropsychiatric side effects -- such as memory loss, panic attacks and depression -- and found that 13 of them (57%) shared a gene variant usualy seen in only 9% of the population.

Bennett is not revealing the gene's identity because he has a patent application in process, but he says that it seems to be a site related to poor metabolism of the quinolones.

Such a mutation might allow dangerously high levels of the drug to accumulate in cells, including in the brain. Bennett is now conducting a trial with 100 more participants to see if he can replicate the result.

If so, that might lead to a genetic test to identify people who should not be given these drugs.

He and Murphy have also found, in lab studies, that giving antioxidants alongside fluoroquinolones seems to mitigate the effects on the mitochondria. But such trials are difficult and expensive, particularly for drugs that are given in sometimes life-threatening situations.

Golomb is currently conducting an unfunded on-line survey to gather information on the experiences of thousands of patients..She hopes that it will lead to hypotheses about what might mitigate harms that could be tested in clinical trials.

But little support is available. That's typical for research on drug safety. ''Investigating medications that have been on the market for years isn't a priority for research agencies such as the NIH," says Bennett.

Manufacturers don't have an incentive to fund post-market safety studies, particularly for off-patent drugs such as cipro and levofloxacin, where the vast majority of sales are from generic firms.

Another factor is scientists' reluctance to publish results that drug companies might find unfavorable. "There's a long history of adverse action against people who expose drug and chemical harms," says Golomb.

Note: I've extracted excerpts from this article, mostly verbatim, since Nature is not sold on news stands, but is a very expensive academic subscription journal, found primarily in university libraries.
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
Someone I know just got terribly injured from taking a fluoroquinolone - she got stem cell injections recently to attempt to repair the body damage. Will post an update when I hear how it's going.
Posted by klutzo (Member # 5701) on :
Wow, this is so depressing and scary.

Fluroquinolones are the only class of ABX that I am not allergic to now. I thought I'd never had a single sx from them, but....

I was dx'd with Vit. B6 toxicity neuropathy and told it would go away in a year, about 6 yrs. ago. It went slowly down in degree, and it's good it did, or I would have taken my life it was so awful.

The heat and numbness is permanent in my toes though, and sometimes flares up for no apparent reason all over with burning skin and chills to the bone. My temp drops below hypothermia and I need an electric blanket in very hot weather, but with my feet sticking out bare.

I was told never to take any B6 supplement again and as a result can't take the B Complex that really helped my depression.

Now I wonder if it was the Cipro I took long before that caused it and just a coincidence it happened when I raised my B6 from 50 mgs. a day to 200 mgs. daily, thinking I probably had Pyroluria.

Metronizadole cures me, and I mean it takes away every sx I have for as long as I am on it. They won't give it to me since they say it destroys the liver, not to mention gut bacteria. I do not think of it as an ABX though, but as an antifungual.

I appear to be screwed. Big hug to all of you who have suffered from this problem.

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