I have tried abx for years. The herxing is too much and a lot of herbals are the same.
I was thinking of treating with oregano oil caps, olive leaf caps, and grapefruit seed extract. I seem to do better with things that are basically edible for some reason.
I was thinking this would cover spirochetes and cyst forms.
What do u think? anyone make progress with olive leaf,oregano oil or gse?
I just can't take the abx everyday and the doses i do take aren't enough to get me well.
I haven't taken abx in a while and my sex drive is back and I have lost weight and I don't really feel worse for not treating with abx except i have noticed my lymph nodes under my arms are swollen and sore.
Does that mean the infection is getting worse? I plan on starting the olive leaf tonight and add in the others.
rife is in my plans when i can afford it. If only i had the money..
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- I don't know if OLE will cover cyst form. I just started back on that a couple weeks ago but have not refreshed my reading on it. I'll try to look later.
Start low and slow, as you mention - that's good. Plan on getting to the top dose over time. Sixteen capsules a day (4 x 4). For that, you will need two of the large bottles for one month.
You might not take too close to bedtime at first - it can sneak up on your bladder in the middle of the night, so have your slippers very handy for a quick dash.
Berberine looks like it might, though, just from my not-academic interpretation of the literature.
Same for andrographis - as I interpret the articles, it holds some promise, I think.
GSE can be very harsh. I could not tolerate it.
Oregano oil -- ONLY in a gel cap. It can burn tender mouth and GI tissue on the way down if not in a professionally sealed gelcap. Gaia makes a good one.
What BRAND of OLE do you have? I find that SEAGATE is the only capsule that works -- and the only one made with proper specification for how they harvest and process. Be sure to get the Walker book.
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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- What I found the very best of all I've done is this. But, sadly, I could only afford a few months - a couple times about a year apart. I think had I been able to continue with this, I would have won. Nothing else comes close to good this was for me.
AND allicin (as a key player in this approach) can affect the cyst form in positive ways for the body.
Not everyone does great with this. It can be very sedating, especially the first couple weeks. Still, this has been the very best to help calm a very angry set of mouth ulcers -- and also was the best anti-seizure approach I've used - other than when doing Hepapro's full allicin protocol.
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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- While not direct "attention" I think this is very valuable to help the more direct approaches work. And it's enjoyable.
I think I understand now about the Boston Tea Party. No one better ever try to take mine away (although the price can be a bit daunting for the top quality, I do consider it good medicine).
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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Ultimately, I think RIFE will be the better option (you'll still need support supplements, though).
If there is anything you can sell or if you have family / friends who are going to buy you any holiday or birthday gifts . . . you might start a rife "fund" and get a concerted effort going so you will be able to do this.
If you have a savings account just for this, and you can add even one dollar a week to it, it will be empowering to know you're on the way.
An EMEM5 is the most affordable. Still, I certainly understand that if the money is not there, it's just not there.
But don't put all your hopes on even the best herbs.
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Posted by gigimac (Member # 33353) on :
Hey Keebler,
You said, "What I found the very best of all I've done is this"
Are you referring to the allicin?
I really like your idea about a christmas fund for rife! that might be doable and get me started.
I took the olive leaf last night and today i have head pressure and a slight headache but nothing really terrible. I don't feel incapacitated, which is nice.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Not just allicin but the full protocol with the Hepapro Allicin at its core - but its not enough alone. The full protocol. For long enough.
The allicin must be at top dose, too. It goes according to one's weight.
And abx may be required for some time during that. Or alternate with rife.
As a side note, for anyone with any kind of sinus distress, the Hepapro Allicin was fabulous for me in that regard. It worked where so many other Rx over decades failed. I have found no other brand to work as well. None. Still, it must be the FULL protocol . . . and best guided by a LL ND for a fuller protocol individualized.
Some can't tolerate the aroma of garlic they give off during this, though, and that is understandable especially this holiday time of the year. There are ways around that though, just take a dish of delicious food (including baked garlic) everywhere you go & no one will know !
And diet that is gluten / dairy / GMO free - and also free of all processed foods / any additives. For that really matters to my body and may well to others, too.
Still, as money is a at the core of being able to attain success . . . IMO, rife is just more economical in the long run -- MUCH more . . . hobble along with the very basics (which could mean even just taking two raw organic garlic cloves a day and excellent diet) and save up for rife.
Stop all "adjunct" supplements other than what are life sustaining or anti-seizure / anti-pain . . . and put money toward rife. Magnesium is vital to continue, always, though.
And, I think Seagate OLE is the most affordable and best quality all round anti-microbial helper. It's just that it is not enough for me, alone, even at top dose.
Writing this, now, I see that is what I now must do with my energy -- it's all gone by the time I type out a few posts here & tend to my food -- but it's my only connection with the world and the only way I can function at all. Still, writing this about prioritizing - as hands are so numb and typing so hard, anyway, it's time for me to switch over and turn on my rife.
The sound of my EMEM5 has blocked me as - for me - it's torturously loud. But I've heard of no one else who has this issue.
I do have some ear bone structure "holes" that affect all sounds for me - and no amount of ear plug / muffs works very well to block the vibration through all my bone structure, though, and there is noise around my apt. all the time so I can barely stand to add to that -- I hide in my closet with the computer to buffer it all.
so it's unlikely to be so bothersome to you unless you have SCD - superior canal dehiscence (open bone where there should not be deep inside the ear) - and hyperacusic combined. If you have SCD, I would not get this model, though.
Most do just fine with the fan on the EMEM5. Really. The man who made mine had never had anyone else remark about the fan noise / vibration.
It's the most affordable. Others that are quieter due to different structure cost more. But if one might be within reach, the others can do "sweeps" and are much faster and easier to operate.
Still, many have done very will with the EMEM5.
There are many successes reported with rife. Certain supplements still vital, though. Liver / kidney support is required, absolutely required.
Of course, the bio-photon treatment in Germany is high on the list, too, for successes - it's just really out of reach for most. If anyone has access to that, though, it's top consideration as well. -
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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Backing up, you say "nodes under my arms are swollen and sore." (end quote)
Have you tried gently massaging and applying a warm compress. There are some herbal compresses that can help, too. Gentle approaches are best.
And a specific kind of massage (lymphatic massage) that will work on the ducts around it to facilitate drainage - if that's the problem.
The OLE may help here in a few ways, actually. You don't say what brand you have, though. I hope it is Seagate, if capsules or their new tincture.
Herb Pharm tinctures are also excellent. -
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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
gigimac... You can get the EMEM5A for around $500. It is worth at least $1000. Let me know when you are ready to buy one.
I know where to get it at the best price.
Posted by gigimac (Member # 33353) on :
Thanks lymetoo, I will let you know.
Keebler, the olive leaf is a health food store name brand. It's all i have right now but i will try the seagate brand when i can afford it.
the one I have is standardized ole 12-16% oleuropein,60-80 mg per cap. It says it contains a full spectrum of components as they occur naturally in olive leaves.
I don't know if that tells you anything about this kind?
Posted by gigimac (Member # 33353) on :
Keebler, the allicin protocol you referred to, is that in the book by Dr. Zhang? I didn't see it in the other links an I would like to check it out.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- The reason Seagate OLE is preferred is they are the only ones who really do the harvest / processing correctly. Walker's book and other articles in that OLE set detail this.
Others may have some effect but it's just not the same quality, even if the standardization numbers look okay, they way they get there is different. -
Posted by WPinVA (Member # 33581) on :
I remember someone posted a while back about using Red Zinger herbal tea with good results. I think it was for Lyme cysts.
I haven't tried it yet, but I did buy a box of Red Zinger that I need to try... anyone else tried this?
Posted by gigimac (Member # 33353) on :
Keebler, Is the Hepapro Allicin the only one you recommend?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
try cardamon in powder, in hot teas or hot water.
If you fall sick with abx, allicin, OLE, other strong killers like cats claw, andrographis can also make you sick. In my opinion.
I d rather start with something milder, like astragalus, ashwaganda, stuff like that. Cardamon is also mild, it clears my brain and tastes good. It is food in India, anyway.
Allicin, in frozen garlic, was a strong supplement to take, for me. I needed loads of binders to stand it.