So I was doing pretty well and added in oil of oregano a myco toy routine and craplic acid.
Last week I started having sleeping issues.
This week on Monday they are major I can fall asleep but I'm up at 1,2,3 am can't go back to sleep heart and mind racimg.
Which is awful. I'm so scared this isn't a herx I feel like I'm back sliding I'm so scared I need your guys help I'm in a bad place. Please help me
Posted by Theresa (Member # 421) on :
I'm not great at giving treatment advice but some one will come along. I have had this on and off over the last 15 years of my lyme,bart, babesia life. I just call it insomnia. Do you take any magnesium . Search info in that.
I just wanted to let you know you are not alone. Someone will come along with some great advice...hang in. God bless theresa
Posted by lookup (Member # 44574) on :
"can't go back to sleep, heart and mind racing"
I, personally, would try homeopathic
Coffea cruda 30c.
Example on how I would use it:
If I lay down to go to sleep and I start having a
racing mind, insomnia and heart racing I would
try sucking on a pellet of Coffea cruda 30c. If
that calmed
me down then I would not need to repeat. I'd wait
15 minutes and if I needed to repeat the remedy
I would. That should do the trick. But after 45
minutes if I was still at 50% wound up I would
repeat it again and then the next day
I would order a higher
potency of 200c as that probably would work
without so many repetitions.
Still- a potency of 30c is good and can be found
in most health food stores for about $7.
ps- homeopathic remedy's action can be stopped
by strong mint- like essential oil peppermint or
a Fisherman Friend mint or strong Altoids. You can
get out of homeopathic remedies if you do not like
action of them. But also know if you do like the
action of them then you should avoid those
strong mints. Also keep them away from strong
fields like don't place next to a cell phone or
microwave, etc. as that can make them not work
anymore.
Posted by tricia386 (Member # 29623) on :
I know. I just dont know if its a herx.
Is my immune system overactive? Whats going on here??? Which I knew.
I am detoxing like crazy just in a bad space. I stopped everything on Monday.
how long can a herx last ?
Posted by poppy (Member # 5355) on :
Recently I had a herx that affected my spine which lasted nearly a week. Knocked it down with benedryl or I would have been in bed the whole time. Not to say that is what everyone should do about a herx.
Posted by tricia386 (Member # 29623) on :
Do benadryl help with herxes?
Its this sleeping thing its awful throws me all off
Posted by lookup (Member # 44574) on :
Coffea cruda addresses that symptom picture.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I would suspect a candida herx due to what you were taking and your response to it.
Thanks everyone for your help I am just so confused and scared
Posted by tricia386 (Member # 29623) on :
I just didnt know if I herx could last this long? And would it cause me to wake up in the middle of the night?
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Candida causes insomnia. Leave off the meds for a few days and see if it gets better.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
For me, it looks JUST like a herx.
That said, a herx can kill, it's in the medical literature.
I was always scared of herxes: they DID affect my heart beat, elevated my blood pressure, caused me the awful night terrors even during the day, insomnia is just a 'light' name for what goes on during an awful herx. Tinittus, even a bad one, can be caused by a 'simple' herx.
The worst herx for me, was when my legs got so heavy, they stopped working. I stopped being able to move, from neck down. I had a horrible time with trying to breathe and it took me hours to be able to get my movement back, in the hospital.
After learning my lesson, I decided to shift from trying to KILL ONLY, to MAINLY CLEAN myself.
I swear that if you concentrate your supplements and treatment on 80% cleaning the mess, 10% some killer, 10% stuff that helps nutrition etc, well, you get through lyme not that badly.
If you concentrate on killing only, and if your body cannot detox well, a herx may literally kill you. I hate to say that, but that is true.
It's never 'It's only a herx!'. A herx is to be taken seriously, very seriously.
I know, that for myself, these were herx symptoms for this reason: if I loaded myself with binders after taking killers (like the ones you said you took), well, I barely noticed I was sick. I feel symptoms improving, without collateral damage.
If I delayed binders, or forgot to take them, all the intoxication symptoms returned. With the time, I could feel anxiety, air hunger, palpitations starting, and could react fast enough to avoid a crash.
If I had no binders around, I would simply crash. ---
Having said that, your symptoms could also be other problems, but they just sound like herxes to me.
The only way to know, is when you find the right binders, take them in enough amount 3, 4, 5 times a day, and if these symptoms disappear, well, it was a herx!
Posted by tricia386 (Member # 29623) on :
ugh I hope it passes soon I haven't been this bad in so long.
I appreciate all of your help everyone here. Its amazing I can always turn to Lyme Net. Great support system.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
You might look into Living Clay .. on Amazon. It's a binder.
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
I would say you added in killer remedies, with oil of oregano and caprylic acid. When I didn't know anything, I took a caprystatin pill and ended up on the floor for a week. I think that may have been due to killing off candida.
When and if you do those again, better do one at a time and start off very minimal, and also to be taking detox remedies.
[ 04-02-2015, 09:46 PM: Message edited by: Robin123 ]
Posted by tricia386 (Member # 29623) on :
I have been detoxing. A lot it can't believe what a bad herx this is! Do these herbs kill more than candida?
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Candida herxes are worse than Lyme herxes if you ask me.
Posted by tricia386 (Member # 29623) on :
How long does it take to pass? This no sleep is killing me!
Posted by tricia386 (Member # 29623) on :
Why is the insomnia so bad 😔
Posted by TF (Member # 14183) on :
Try taking Benadryl at night.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
When did you stop the meds? Today or a few days ago? It should pass soon.
Did you try epsom salt baths at bedtime? or lemon water to detox?
Posted by tricia386 (Member # 29623) on :
Stopped everything on Tuesday mind is racing bad insomina and anxiety.
Been doing tons of detox. Worried something else happened I was like this for 8 months once when. I aA first sick! Can't go back there
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
Hang in there and keep doing the detox. My husband gets really sick when there's candida die-off, and I was flu-like for days when I first began taking olive leaf extract.
If you are killing candida, taking molybdenum can be very helpful to neutralize major biotoxins produced by the candida. Magnesium is nearly always depleted, can be very helpful too.
I think we are very toxic at the beginning of treatment. Then we add killing agents and more toxins from die off. It's too much if we are already overloaded. The detox is helping, but systems are so overloaded it takes time to get relief.
Like most I had awful herxing at the beginning. I relentlessly pursued detox every day, at first just dry brushing, rebounding, and epsom salt baths, sometimes twice a day. Still felt terrible.
Then I began doing coffee enemas, which are a major help to my liver and kidneys. Added binders. Eventually I began feeling less toxic and I can tolerate my treatments easily. I still do detox stuff every day.
Just do what you can to support your organs and keep everything moving out. I think keeping the "cleaning" as Brussels mentioned a bigger focus than the killing you will eventually find treatments much more tolerable. If your body can keep up with eliminating toxins and die off, the herxes should greatly lessen.
Posted by tricia386 (Member # 29623) on :
Than you everyone!
I just wonder how long this herx will last.
I backed off of everything. Stopped everything just detox protocol.
These things lessened in this order: Shaking Light sensitivity Fatigue Muscle pain and ache Chills and sweating
Left Anxiety Insomina Gas Bloating...
Anymore thoughts or suggestions??
Should i keep taking probiotics or no?
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Which probiotic are you taking?
Still sounds like yeast.. how is your diet?
Posted by A.G. (Member # 44713) on :
Maybe you're detoxing too much? I get that way when I try too much detoxing.
For me there's a fine line I have to tread. Too little and I'm so sick and wiped out. Too much detox and I feel like I'm going nuts, shakey, jittery, etc.
Posted by tricia386 (Member # 29623) on :
I just wish I knew what it was this happened in 2011.(fall) took me to about march of 2012 to pull out of it
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
Sometimes treating can bring to the surface new symptoms never seen before. When adding in substances that have killing effects it's good to be awares and be able to react to what it may bring, can't "unpeel the layers of the onion" once they come off.
Posted by tricia386 (Member # 29623) on :
Gz what do you mean?
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
Ah, sorry if I sounded cryptic .
Sometimes when we treat for something, we'll see new symptoms that we haven't seen before. Often related to what we're treating. Other times we could be "waking up" dormant infections that we weren't having symptoms of before.
One example would be treating for parasites and getting a bart flare as a result, even if bart wasn't suspected to begin with. After treating for the parasites, treating for bart may become a consideration.
With the "peeling of the layers", every "layer" we take off of these infections there is something new underneath. When we start peeling a layer, like by taking a killing med, we may not know what will happen until it does.
If it's good then great. But if we get negative reactions like bad herxes or stirring new symptoms of latent infections, we can't go back to where we were before.
That might be more than what you were looking for, I hope this helps Posted by tricia386 (Member # 29623) on :
So what your saying is maybe u woke something up?
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
It could be. It doesn't have to be infection either. Getting rid of infectious problems can also alert us to physical issues like hormonal imbalances, gut problems, etc. I think sometimes it's hard to tell what's what until we can look back on it.
It's what I thought of when I saw you mention that something similar to this happened to you before and gave you lasting effects for a while.
Posted by lookup (Member # 44574) on :
Anxiety and insomina- Homeopathic Coffea cruda.
If you tried that and it did not work let me know. There are other remedies.
Gas and bloating- Boiron's Homeopathic Gasalia
Posted by tricia386 (Member # 29623) on :
Gz I am still kinda lost! Maybe u could on pm me?
Posted by tricia386 (Member # 29623) on :
Look up I got some today how do I use it?
Posted by lookup (Member # 44574) on :
tricia386, please scroll up to the 3rd entry in this thread on how to use Coffea cruda.
Gasalia- the directions are on the box Posted by tricia386 (Member # 29623) on :
So you think a herx could last night long?
It's gotten worse since Tuesday. Does that sound like a herx?
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
If you're not taking anything for lyme, then it sounds like you might be backsliding.
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
Just to let you know, I herxed real bad from caprylic acid in caprystatin pill form - the herx lasted a week. So if this is a herx, I think you need to hang on here till the worst herx sx go down, is my opinion re your having taken oil of oregano and caprylic acid.
And after that, to take VERY little of either one and see how you do, if you wish to continue with them at all.
Or, maybe you'll want to check in re some detox methods first.
I didn't have the benefit of any computer then! We did in-person support groups them. My doctor was treating me for candida, so after my week of herxing, I joined a Candida Foundation support group and went for five years. That was the start for me of learning so much about wholistic health practices.
Do you happen to know whether you have candidiasis? If so, you would crave sugar and bread, which feeds the yeast. If so, I think you should learn how to get that load down before taking anymore caprylic acid, as that one hits the yeast.
Posted by tricia386 (Member # 29623) on :
I did crave that sugar and sweets before.
I stopped both on Monday. After being on it for about a week.
Sleep issues started Monday. Thursday the anxiety started
Now Friday. I can't eat feels like acid in my stomach and I start coughing and feel like I'm gunna throw up.
I still have sleep issues and need Xanax and anxiety and it hurts to eat.
Thoughts.
I was taking two pills of oil of oregano and two pills of capital ic acid 2 x a day.
I get a stomach ache when I eat and it gives me anxiety.
Should I start my abx again?
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Caprylic acid is an acid... right? My stomach never could handle that nor the oil of oregano.
So give your stomach a chance to heal.
I would not personally take abx right now. You've taken a major hit.
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