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Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Anyone know any doctors that may be under the radar?

I've seen the Dr. from St. Louis and thought he was interesting but the dental work he recommended doesnt make sense now as tests i got after seeing him show gut infections and parasites. I've also seen llmds and that path hasn't helped me either.

I've seen a nyc parisitogist but he does one test and if he doesn't find stuff he doesn't really help. There's another NYC doctor im aware of whos parasite literate but his cost is high.

I was gonna work with a doctor over the phone from New Mexico but we had an appointment schedule mix up and I didn't have money at the time so we had to push off the appointment and she was unhappy it got messed up, and hasn't yet returned my follow up call earlier this week.

So, wondering if there are any other doctors that are experts in this area ?

I know this is a longshot but thought I would ask as my health has gotten complicated and most the doctors sadly haven't really helped, I did get an h pylori antibiotic regime though (amoxicillin, flagyl, and omeprazole) (which test showed positive for) so I may try that.

Thanks

[ 07-04-2015, 02:49 AM: Message edited by: Xelaetaks ]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Dr. K practitioners are best for treating parasites.
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Catgirl:
Dr. K practitioners are best for treating parasites.

Thanks, I'll look into it. I have to be honest though - 1- I don't like muscle testing as a diagnostic, I know Dr. K is into that and 2 - I've seen reviews for Dr. K and they've actually been suprisingly negative if you look online. At least he takes parasites seriously and I'll see if they can recommend any solid doctors.

[ 07-03-2015, 05:35 PM: Message edited by: Xelaetaks ]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
There is no other diagnostic test that remotely comes close to diagnosing parasites. The lab tests aren't very good and there's more to it than that in terms of timing etc, so energetic testing is leaps and bounds better than anything else out there right now.

Long story short, doc's rarely find them unless it's a Dr K practitioner.
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Catgirl:
There is no other diagnostic test that remotely comes close to diagnosing parasites. The lab tests aren't very good and there's more to it than that in terms of timing etc, so energetic testing is leaps and bounds better than anything else out there right now.

Long story short, doc's rarely find them unless it's a Dr K practitioner.

Would you trust a Dr. K practioner that doesn't use real medications to treat stuff like h pylori and protozoa?

The ones I found near my area look like they may be choiropractic and naturopathic so they may not use real meds, though Dr. K I think even uses them.

I'm thinking how to go about treating this stuff and a test found h pylori even which I'm not sure has been proven it can be treated naturally.

Also I've probably mentioned this at some point here but the anti parasite herbs can make parasites scatter in my body which they have already so I wouldn't do hulda clark herbs as primary treatment. Trying to see what is really the best way to beat this stuff.

On the flip side the tradtional doctor will just say to go with the recommended med treatment which is triple antibiotics and proton pump inhibitor which I've read can have some bad side effects so it is confusing seeing what to do.

I do wonder tho if maybe an alternative med or Dr. K doctor could help me with some of the stuff and I can alternate meds between their other protocols if they don't prescribe pharmacy medication.

Thanks
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Edit- duplicate post

[ 07-04-2015, 04:40 AM: Message edited by: Xelaetaks ]
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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you wonder or are concerned that naturopathic approaches "may not use real meds"

While there are certainly times when Rx are required or a combination of Rx and herbal medicine and key nutrients from plant sources,

to be clear, plant medicines in many cases, can be far better, safer and more effective. For some context, plants have been around thousands of years and used as medicine, good medicine - and they need not be turned into pharmaceuticals to work:

http://www.globalpost.com/article/6597619/2015/06/29/dying-amazon-healers-are-taking-potential-cures-cancer-aids-and-other

Dying Amazon (Forest) Healers taking wisdom with them . .
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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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Also regarding parasite matters, it seems that a LL ND might be the kind of doctor to consider. In some states, NDs are licensed in pharmaceuticals as well and know when to use Rx and when to herbs, or how to combine.

When considering herbal / nutritional / adjunct methods, because lyme is so very complex & unique, as are possible coinfections:

if at all possible - because each person & each case is different - it's best to consult with an ILADS-educated LL ND (lyme literate naturopathic doctor) (or similar) who has completed four years of post-graduate medical education in the field of herbal and nutritional medicine -

- and someone who is current with ILADS' research & presentations, past and present, and has completed the ILADS Physician Training Program (see: www.ilads.org )

so they really know all they can about the science of lyme . . . how lyme (& other TBD) act and what we can do about that in various ways.

Many LL NDs incorporate antibiotics (depending upon the licensing laws in their state). Some LLMDs and LL NDs have good working relationships.

When possible, it's great to have both a LLMD and LL ND and even better when they have a long-standing professional relationship.


http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/2/13964

How to find an ILADS-educated LL:

N.D. (Naturopathic Doctor);

L.Ac. (Acupuncturist);

D.Ay. (Doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine);

D.O.M. (Doctor of Oriental Medicine);

Herbal Safety considerations & reference books; etc.


Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees who all have this basic approach in common:

Understanding of the importance of addressing the infection(s) fully head-on with specific measures from all corners of medicine;

knowing which supplements have direct impact, which are only support and which are both.

You can compare and contrast many approaches with links to articles, books, methods . . .

BODY WORK methods / links (and why anyone who works on your spine MUST be LL to the degree they at least know to never suddenly twist neck or spine. Never. Ever. And that we should never be advised to do neck / head / shoulder stands.)
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Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Keebler:
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you wonder or are concerned that naturopathic approaches "may not use real meds"

While there are certainly times when Rx are required or a combination of Rx and herbal medicine and key nutrients from plant sources,

to be clear, plant medicines in many cases, can be far better, safer and more effective. For some context, plants have been around thousands of years and used as medicine, good medicine - and they need not be turned into pharmaceuticals to work:

http://www.globalpost.com/article/6597619/2015/06/29/dying-amazon-healers-are-taking-potential-cures-cancer-aids-and-other

Dying Amazon (Forest) Healers taking wisdom with them . .
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Thanks. That is crazy to think some medicines can be bypassed by the medical commnuity not looking into it.

Natural doctors that are lyme literate seems like a interesting way to go. About natural treatments I guess I wonder if for example treating h pylori naturally will show after treatment that the natural medicine worked, but like you said - seems like a safer way to try it out first.

I think now like you mentioned maybe using a couple doctors could be a way to go about it. One doctor I've seen online for example who does natural stuff seems to know about parasites and lyme even if he's not a llmd, may have some ideas to treat some of this stuff naturally.

Being in the east coast it seems like llmds are limited, a year or two ago when I was doing lyme treatments I eventually stopped cause the multitude of antibiotics just made parasite stuff show up in the bathroom, but not in a way it was treating it, more like gi was getting more messed up.

The parasite stuff is confusing though. I've seen for example protozoa parasites can take complex protocol mix of antibiotics to effectively treat it and like mentioned before scattering with parasite herbs, so I guess a mix of treatment types could be a way to go for me.

[ 07-04-2015, 05:44 AM: Message edited by: Xelaetaks ]
 
Posted by jvs (Member # 10353) on :
 
Hi,
I had a similar experience to Xelaetaks. I used herbal medicines for parasites, Paragone and the first dose of the Huda herbal protocol.

I broke out in hives and I think the parasites have migrated to the skin. I have S type lesions on my skin. I found small worms? (about 2 mm) on my toilet seat.

I am trying to find a lab for parasite testing and a doctor for treatment (anti parasitic drugs) in the CT or NY area.

Thanks for your help,
jvs
 
Posted by hopingandpraying (Member # 9256) on :
 
I don't know of any.

Check the "Parasite Warriors Support Thread" here on Lymenet:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=122300;p=0

Even though I don't know what state you are in, contact Lyme Support Groups in your own state. Maybe they might know of someone. Here are some links:

Online state Lyme groups:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/StateNameLyme/info

*Note: write in your state where it says "StateName"

Other Lyme Support Groups:
http://whatislyme.com/websites-and-support-groups-by-state/

http://www.lymenet.org/SupportGroups/UnitedStates/
 
Posted by MichaelTampa (Member # 24868) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Xelaetaks:
Anyone know any doctors that may be under the radar?

I've seen the Dr. from St. Louis and thought he was interesting but the dental work he recommended doesnt make sense now as tests i got after seeing him show gut infections and parasites. I've also seen llmds and that path hasn't helped me either.

My thoughts were the Dr. K. docs and the one you mentioned in St. Louis. Not all of the Dr. K. are non-MD's. For example, there is one in Georgia who is an MD.

As FYI, your reasoning for being turned off by the St. Louis doc did not make any sense to me. Your statement suggests that dental work can't be important, just because you have infection in gut infections and parasites.

(You may have a good reason, and perhaps something got lost in the translation.)
 
Posted by bcb1200 (Member # 25745) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Xelaetaks:
I've seen the Dr. from St. Louis and thought he was interesting but the dental work he recommended doesnt make sense now as tests i got after seeing him show gut infections and parasites. I've also seen llmds and that path hasn't helped me either.

I was going to suggest this doc, who supposedly is up there with Dr. K. Did he not find anything? He is good.
 
Posted by garnet10 (Member # 48181) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Xelaetaks:
Anyone know any doctors that may be under the radar?

I've seen the Dr. from St. Louis and thought he was interesting but the dental work he recommended doesnt make sense now as tests i got after seeing him show gut infections and parasites. I've also seen llmds and that path hasn't helped me either.

I've seen a nyc parisitogist but he does one test and if he doesn't find stuff he doesn't really help. There's another NYC doctor im aware of whos parasite literate but his cost is high.

I was gonna work with a doctor over the phone from New Mexico but we had an appointment schedule mix up and I didn't have money at the time so we had to push off the appointment and she was unhappy it got messed up, and hasn't yet returned my follow up call earlier this week.

So, wondering if there are any other doctors that are experts in this area ?

I know this is a longshot but thought I would ask as my health has gotten complicated and most the doctors sadly haven't really helped, I did get an h pylori antibiotic regime though (amoxicillin, flagyl, and omeprazole) (which test showed positive for) so I may try that.

Thanks

I had my root canal teeth removed based upon this wonderful physician's recommendation, even though nothing came up for my teeth with his testing. (He still recommended this be done first.)

I found a dentist who would remove my root canal teeth, and one of them had completely rotted roots--they were black!

About a week after this rotted tooth was removed I felt the best I had in over a decade. I brought out all my exercise equipment/tapes so I could start working out again.

Then I had a steroid injection and radiation therapy for breast cancer and developed more debilitating fatigue than I ever had before. My doc thinks these things brought out the Lyme.

I can't imagine how much more ill I would be if I still had those rotted, blackened tooth roots constantly releasing endotoxins into my body.

Best to you.
 
Posted by WPinVA (Member # 33581) on :
 
I have never seen this particular doctor but I too felt better after getting a root canaled tooth removed.

Based on my experience, fixing dental issues seems like a very reasonable recommendation. The mouth doesn't stand alone - it is linked. And our immune system prioriitizes the mouth - because we have to eat to live - so a simmering low level infection in the mouth can distract our immune system from focusing on other things.
 


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