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Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
I was watching channel 13 couple of nights ago and they had a show on abx resistant infections. there were two but I cant remember the names or letters.

the cdc head said we are responsible for creating these because we give abx for everything.

they also had a drug head who said they stopped research on some illnesses because they couldn't make any profit to pay for the research. so basically he said it was ok to let people die because they don't make enough off a cure. this why drs wont prescribe abx for lyme?? cause the drug company looses money if it's cured?
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Yep, that's it in a nutshell. They tend to forget the BIG PROBLEM of putting tons (literally) of abx in the food of the cattle and other animals .. which is the REAL PROBLEM.
Posted by Tincup (Member # 5829) on :
They are so full of it. Here is a direct quote from the CDC- "most deaths related to antibiotic resistance happen in healthcare settings such as hospitals and nursing homes."

That is where most people get them. They need to clean up their own homes and don't. PLUS- and you can see the fur on the back of my neck standing up...

The IDSA already said there is NO proof that treating Lyme has made it antibiotic resistant. Saw that in two reports.

Here are some CDC quotes...

"Each year in the United States, at least 2 million people acquire serious infections with bacteria that are resistant to one or more of the antibiotics designed to treat those infections . At least 23,000 people die each year as a direct result of these antibiotic-resistant infections . Many more die from other conditions that were complicated by an antibiotic- resistant infection."

See where it says resistant to "one or more" antibiotics. That indicates rather than using a cheap penicillin they may need to use a more expensive drug and because of insurers pocket books, they DON'T.

Here is their bottom line...

"Antibiotic-resistant infections add considerable and avoidable costs to the already overburdened U .S . healthcare system . In most cases, antibiotic-resistant infections require prolonged and/or costlier treatments, extend hospital stays, necessitate additional doctor visits and healthcare use, and result in greater disability and death compared with infections that are easily treatable with antibiotics.

The total economic cost of antibiotic resistance to the U .S . economy has been difficult to calculate . Estimates vary but have ranged as high as $20 billion in excess direct healthcare costs, with additional costs to society for lost productivity as high as $35 billion a year (2008 dollars)."

Link here
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
they did not mention lyme. however they said super infections, like these two, are resistant to all abx. they tried everything including the penicillins and even went back to drugs used in the 40's. nothing worked.

this one guy caught an infection in india and brought it back. it spread through this hospital infecting 18 and killing 7. why it stopped spreading they didn't know.

the little girl lived in arizona and they don't know where she got it. she required a lung transplant.

but the drug head teed me off saying they answered to their stock holders. it was all about money. they stopped research on some illnesses just because they couldn't make a profit.

still unbelievable...
Posted by Marz (Member # 3446) on :
I was thinking of asking this question here as well after watching that show, but then I remembered they wee talking about gram negative bacteria and I don't think borrelia is gram negative.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
Marz, You are correct in that lyme is different.

Borrelia is gram-negative, though. However, very different from any other in many ways - being a spirochete and also one that morphs into other forms, it's quite different from most other bacteria.

Yet, for all this resistance they report on these "super bugs" they are doing some things that contribute to it. A few bad turns that are so apparent to me but, apparently, not to those in charge:

by using mono-treatment (whereas lyme should always be combination and different classifications of Rx, not just antibiotics)

High enough concentrations of drugs for long enough are required to cover the life cycle of borrelia, and that is much - much - longer than most other infections

Yet, for some other infections the treatment is too little for too short a time and that sets one up for resistance. Or the Rx is not the best fit for the particular person's case, etc.

Also contributes to super bugs:

deep use of acetaminophen as it blocks glutathione in all bodies cells and shuts down the "clean out" process - also so very hard on the liver and that can make patients substantially weaker.

and PPIs, too, contribute to this in hospitals. Proton Pump Inhibitors raise the risk of c. diff terribly. And they are passed around like candy instead of using more gentle measures and prevention for GI issues.

Lack of PROBIOTIC use - which should be individually assessed for each patient as not all will need, can use or benefit from cookie cutter approaches.

flushing communal toilets with no lids - of course icky stuff is flying around the air and lands anywhere, is carried everywhere. A very bad design, toilets with no lids to close before flushing. Special lights would be of tremendous help in bathroom.

and the chemical assault on all this. Special antimicrobial LIGHTs should be used instead of the full on chemical assault. Some hospitals are doing this and find great success.

All these sprays - even the hand gels - are damaging to everyone. All that gets absorbed into the body and it's not a good thing for anyone, anytime but especially when they are ill.

Also the full on sensory assault of hospital patients - lights, NOISE to the max at every turn and on every gadget, the rushing atmosphere and cattle call approach . . . lack of good restful sleep and nutritious foods . . . all this weakens patients substantially.

Patients should be treated with tender loving care at each step. And that rarely happens. The staff is often overworked, overstretched and staff are not always treated kindly from the top down.

This matters. Kindness, tender, loving care. A soothing, healing environment. That is just not what hospitals "do" by any stretch. People are like cars, in the repair shop.

[ 07-12-2015, 02:35 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
Bartonella, imo, develops resistance faster than Borrelia.

Just a guess though from my experiences.

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