I'm hesitant to take nystatin again-last time it really knocked me on my butt with die off.
Any help would be appreciated-thank you
Posted by TF (Member # 14183) on :
I don't believe diet alone will kill candida. I also don't believe that nystatin alone will kill it.
It is my understanding that nystatin just stops candida from multiplying.
You need Diflucan to kill candida, plus diet, etc.
If you have never read the book "The Body Ecology Diet" that is a book that you may want to get from the library. My lyme doc told me to follow the diet in that book. It is for folks with long-standing systemic candida like the author had.
She cured herself of terrible candida. You will learn an awful lot from that book.
There is also a body ecology website.
I don't know if essential oils can treat candida. But the Body Ecology site may address this.
Posted by SickSam (Member # 45330) on :
I struggle with Candida bad. Diet alone doesn't help, but diet is very important in keeping it down. I take diflucan and nystatin, but it's become fairly resistant to both.
If nystatin killed it for you last time, I'd sure try it again. The first time I took nystatin I had major die-off, but the second time (just a few days later) it almost felt like it wasn't doing much of anything. So maybe it would continue to work for you without making you feel horrible again.
Tea tree oil is supposed to be excellent for Candida, but some people say not to ingest it (it can be neurotoxic). Others say it's ok. I had a little success with Thyme for a short period of time. There's a product by Solaray called "yeast cleanse" that has tea tree oil in it. I took it for a time. It may have helped, I'm really not sure. My doctor at the time told me to take it.
Posted by ilovedogs (Member # 48866) on :
Thanks TF and SickSam.
SickSam-it's encouraging to know that the second time you took the nystatin the die off wasn't so bad. I am terrified to take it as it was so bad last time. I'm thinking of taking 1/2 dose?
Thanks again
Posted by SickSam (Member # 45330) on :
Yeah, a 1/2 dose sounds like a good idea. I only took it for two days (just two tablets a day) the first time and my gut was not happy with me! (Neither was the Candida...)
Just a few days after that it was much easier to tolerate. And now, I tolerate 16 tablets in a day just fine, but that's because the Candida's becoming resistant.
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
Chelated molybdenum taken several times a day binds with yeast toxins and can greatly lessen or eliminate the effects of die off.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I think biotin also helps.
Posted by shoeless joe (Member # 45835) on :
Ive tried the strictess of diets for years
Never got better with just diet,only keeps the candida from getting worse but never saw improvements.
Im on very lose dose nystatin right now for the last two months and herxing is real tough.
Herx like crazy on probiotics too.
Been extremely sick with candida the last few years and Im determined this time to continue with nystatin and probiotics as I can.
This last week I fell off the band wagon and ate quite a bit of carbs and I am paying for it,
Cut all carbs out today and I am already feeling the nystatin more.
Quality of life is horrible and I am determined this time,almost feel like do or die.
I am also trying bifidus strain enemas this time to try and repopulate,willing to try anything.
Im yet to tolerate more than one nystatin pill a day and only one or two probiotics a week,herxhiemers are just to brutal.
IMO diet is a must with the anti fungal.
I once gained a little ground with garlic pearls from solgar and diet,maybe try that but fair warning I herxed on them also.
Yeast is every much as brutal as lyme,I worry about all the sugary foods mentioned here while on antibiotics.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Welcome to the candida club. For me, it's been 3 decades fighting the nasty thing on and off.
I fared well with nosodes for candida. Sanum nosodes, for years.
But I guess, candida is an environment disease: body environment needs to change before candida sleeps 'forever'.
Candida is unfortunately more stubborn than lyme. If you beat candida, I think beating lyme is easy.
Both walk hand in hand, unfortunately.
That is why I would NEVER trade lyme for candida. Taking abx can be one of the most wrong ways to go for treating lyme, in my opinion.
Just because I know how candida is stubborn.
And as we all know that candida and lyme overlap in symptoms, well, there is not much to explain.
My way to go with candida:
- allergy free diet (a must, to reinforce the immune system)
- electrosmog control (a must, as candida thinks it's being attacked and produce more toxins, about 600 times more toxins than in electrosmog free place)
- probiotics, keep shifting
- some people swear by some diets (ketogenic, diabetic diet) (I never fare well with strict carb free diet, i guess it depends on each person?)
- heat (sauna, hot baths, hot feet baths, exercise)(I heard the Biomat help some, or FIR saunas).
- never ever attack candida frontally with killer oils, strong chemicals, killer plants. I think milder solutions are better (own experience). A bit like lyme.
Candida is not our enemy. It became our enemy due to environmental degradation.
The same bad candida is the good candida transformed into bad (look at Enderlein's theories and try to see microscopic photos of the same beneficial candida transformed into pathogenic).
- mercury free: no amalgams, and some serious chelation is necessary, unfortunately.
I'm rather convinced of the direct link between candida and mercury. All my success chelators made me feel miserable, then some sort of candida or fungal outburst came short after that.
Metals on the move = candida reactivation.
- in the end, no 'treatment' can deal with candida: only the immune system can. That is why cleaning toxins, specially very toxic substances, will boost immunity.
during summer, I never get candida (only rarely, only if I take chelators).
Whatever you do to make your immune system better is good (sauna, binders in GREAT amounts, PEMF, oxygenation, enzymes, right vitamins, right minerals, right food, right homeopathics for cleaning the body, even to 'kill' the candida).
Nosodes are not direct killers, but they are modulators of the immune system.
It's been years I could live reasonably well if I took nosodes (sanum), but now I'm looking for a more permanent solution. I know I'm still loaded with heavy metals because I still react to chelators.
I was fed up of treatment (because of lyme), so took a long break after lyme was gone, but I'm starting again!! this time only for candida.
Posted by ilovedogs (Member # 48866) on :
Brussels-are you saying, in your opinion, you wouldn't treat with nystatin or diflucan? Is that what you mean by killers?
Thanks all for the feedback
Posted by WPinVA (Member # 33581) on :
Maybe you could knock it down first and then go to the drugs - perhaps the herx won't be so bad?
The combo of Candicid Forte, digestive enzymes, VSL#3 and diet has been effective for me.
I've recently taken both a stool test and had muscle testing and neither picked up candida, which amazed me.
Posted by flip0flap (Member # 49045) on :
Candida is horrible.
It WILL be beaten with a little time, diet adjustment and the right supplements.
I tried pretty much every supplement out there for several years. The only one that actually made a tangible difference (and ultimately helped heal my own gut) was Saccharomyces Boulardii.
It's a yeast that feeds on yeast. It's also a very good way of protecting your gut on ABX – because it's a yeast and not a bacteria it can be taken at the same time as Antibiotics.
I wouldn't be without it.
Colostrum is important for healing the gut wall if you have dysbiosis. You can find colostrum / pro-biotic combos that are very good for this.
In combination with SB, this is what got me back to full health.
Posted by flip0flap (Member # 49045) on :
If you have Candida Albicans, you aren't on a prescription anti-fungal (it is a 'friendly' transient yeast after all) and you haven't already tried it...
Work with it for a couple of months, then thank me later!
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Posted by shoeless joe (Member # 45835) on :
Thats some hope flip o flap,thanks.
I have tried s boulardi only for a short time,not long at all.
I will look into that again
May I ask what brand and how much you took and did you stay away from carbs?
Thanks you,its good to hear some success.
Posted by ilovedogs (Member # 48866) on :
What are everyones symptoms of candida? Having hard time telling what's lyme and what's candida.
Thanks
Posted by flip0flap (Member # 49045) on :
I use Jarrow Formulas SB taken with Candida Balance + Colostrum.
The colostrum is also important as it boosts your immune system and helps keep the Candida at bay.
The SB literally eats the Candida Albicans, then disappears. It's a non permanent 'transient' yeast.
That's it. Just those.
I went easy on the carbs, but didn't abstain altogether. It was more refined sugar that I avoided for a while.
There are a lot of similarities between Candida and Lyme when it comes to symptoms. Both can make you feel dizzy and foggy headed.
I could tell the difference as there was a flare up about 30 mins after eating with Candida. Leaky gut enhances this even when you eat non carb, non sugar foods. That's when I knew I had a more severe problem as it becomes really tricky to manage after a while. But basically, the more sugar, the worse the flare up. Stands to reason.
These two products healed me. I hope they do the same for you too.
Hope that helps.
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Posted by shoeless joe (Member # 45835) on :
thank you flipoflap
Posted by ilovedogs (Member # 48866) on :
Yes thanks. Good to know we can get the upper hand on this!
Posted by Gigi13 (Member # 49075) on :
I am not sure if I am in the right area, but my concern is bloody mucous from rectum days after doing a distilled water and apple cider vinegar enema. I mixed 1 1/2 cups of vinegar with 1 1/2 quarts distilled water for the enema. Heated the mixture to lukewarm temperature prior to administering the enema. I was immediately nauseated, dizzy, broke out in a sweat and threw up. I called my doctor, ended up in the emergency room and was informed by the doctor that apple cider vinegar is an acid, and that should never have been used in an enema. I am on three prescriptions to get me straightened out, still passing a bloody mucous numerous times a day, and don't even realize it is coming at times. Waiting for a colonoscopy next week. Has anyone else ever experienced this, and how long did the bloody mucous discharge last?
Posted by flip0flap (Member # 49045) on :
Stick at it guys. I found it was a slow and steady journey to rebuild the gut, but improvements were more consistent than Lyme where sometimes it can feel like 2 steps forward, 1 back (or even 1 step forward, 2 back)/
The bonus is, that if you are dealing with Lyme as well, rebuilding the gut will improve your immunity and of course reduce symptoms all round.
So basically, nothing to lose.
Gigi – that sounds horrendous. I don't have any experience with Enemas, but my best wishes with your healing.
Posted by Pebbles (Member # 43614) on :
Gigi13 I remember reading on here someone did the same thing and had the same reaction as you. I can't find it either. It did pass but I don't remember how long it took, sorry. Hope you are feeling better soon!!
flipOflap.....that is great news for you. I am working on my gut now!!!
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