I know I know getting this vaccine is a horrible idea, but I didn't know that 8 weeks ago when I got it :/
I'm having a reaction where my legs and arms feel funny, tingling, like they've fallen asleep. A little numb and weak. Anyone else had this kind of reaction?
Posted by sammy (Member # 13952) on :
I didn't have a reaction from it.
Since its been 8 weeks after your shot, it makes me wonder if your symptoms are more likely related to your pre existing Lyme and Co infections.?.?
The shot may have boosted your immune system causing a herx like reaction.
Typically, the immune response after shots causes fluey symptoms, including body aches, general malaise, and fevers. But sometimes reactions can be more robust.
If the symptoms continue to get worse, you may consider seeing your doctor.
Posted by madisongrrl (Member # 48682) on :
Sometimes our immune systems can have a bad reaction to vaccines. Our immune system irritates the ganglia in our spine, causing the nervous system issues that you are experiencing. Keep an eye on this and inform your primary physician. This type of reaction can happen after an illness as well.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
If you are chemically sensitive, it can be a nightmare.
Hope you feel better soon. Do what you can to detox.
Posted by dan67 (Member # 20344) on :
Can someone point me to the link or thread where people have discussed their reactions to the dtap? I remember reading it but can't find it anymore...
and/or can those who HAVE had reactions, weigh in?
Posted by Badtick (Member # 9794) on :
I took the shot 4 months ago. It was a momentary lapse in judgement that sent me into a massive relapse. I was at 98 percent prior to the shot not even thinking about lyme.
I'm also having problems with nerve damage now in my arms and legs. Improving somewhat with Bartonella tx.
The shot causes profound immune dysfunction which is why so many relapse after it.
Posted by dan67 (Member # 20344) on :
badtick - what kind of nerve damage? I've been having episodes where my arms and legs feel numb and weak and pins and needles sensation, and even where my brain feels "out of it" when this happens. Hope its not permanent.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Dan, why don't you try to do a STRONG magnetic field treatment?
I posted about that not long ago.
Not for the poison of tetanus, but for the neuro problems that could have been caused by vaccines.
It seems that some cases of Guillan Barre syndrome respond well to very strong magnetic fields.
I would also try to get the EXACT vaccine in homeopathic remedies (the dilution C200 is what is usually given).
It can, at least, help your body deal with the intoxication from the vaccine. It's inexpensive, and that is what homeopaths give to children before and after vaccines.
I can find for you the exact dosages, if you are willing to buy these homeopathic remedies.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
My LLMD labeled it small fiber neuropathy. I have mostly pain in limbs, hands and feet, some tingling. It can be pretty intense at times. I'm taking neurontin.
A similar thing happened to me in the past after a steroid shot and I recovered completely but it took some time, about 6 months.
There has been some success with homeopathy for this, as an antidote for the vaccine to help reset the immune system. You may want to look into it. I tried the tetanus remedy and it made me run a high fever for a few days and bad brain fog, not sure if it helped.
Posted by Badtick (Member # 9794) on :
I second what Brussels said above about trying the vaccine remedy. I got mine from an herbalist at a local shop but it was a mixed remedy with TDaP in it.
It would probably be better to use the isolated vaccine remedy and work with an experienced homeopath.
Posted by unsure445 (Member # 15962) on :
I got a dtap vaccine a few years ago when my PCP said I was due for it. I remember thinking I should ask my llmd first but I was due for it... Needlesss to say it wreaked havoc on my system with a severe uptick in spinal cord inflammation that lasted a little over a year.
Vaccines are tough. One of my children has been in remission/symptom free for 3 years and a year ago was due for typical pediatric vaccinations. Two days after the vaccines he had many lyme symptoms happening. Fortunately within a week they were all gone and he has been good ever since.
Hooray for a healthy immune system!
Clearly vaccines take a toll on our bodies; tricky business.
Posted by dan67 (Member # 20344) on :
unsure - what are your symptoms of severe spinal inflammation?
Brussels - yes, I would love to have help figuring out the right homeopathic remedy to use to counteract the vaccine effects. It was a standard Dtap vaccine that I took (diptheria, tetanus, pertusis). Can you advise on the best homeopathic remedy to use?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
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Thuja: The first remedy to think of for vaccine injury, having to do with the muck that gets transmitted with the vaccine, suppression of immune response, aborted fetal tissue, and blood poisoning.
Thuja is more specifically related to the smallpox vaccine, however seeing as most of the population has been vaccinated with small pox in generations past, this condition can be inherited and so Thuja can still be indicated in many, but not all, cases of vaccine damage ( see combination remedy below) -----------------
Constitutional treatment: one remedy at a time which best corresponds the the constitution of the child with the desired response of strengthening the recuperative powers of the individual so that they may throw off the diseases in the vaccines/toxicity etc.
Silicea, Calcarea carbonicum, Phosphorus, etc.
-------------------------------------------- Use of homeopathic nosodes (homeopathic remedies made from disease tissue/discharges and/or cultured germs):
based on symptom presentation, either in relation to family history or in relation to the diseases in the vaccines which made the most impact on the health of the child. (think ‘like cures like’).
Tuberculinum, Medorrhinum, Carcinosin, or Morbilunum (measles), Parotidinum (mumps), Yellow fever nosode (Yellow fever), Typhoidinum (Typhoid), etc. ( see combination remedy below)
------------------------------------- Sequential prescribing of nosodes or vaccine nosodes:
According to a select protocol. Use of individual vaccines in sequence, in ascending potencies, and/or multiple doses of single remedies or single vaccine nosodes (Hepatitis B vaccine nosode, DTaP vaccine nosode, MMR vaccine nosode, etc.,) given over a period of time to clear the individual vaccines.
There are several methods to do this such as the CEASE Therapy method
-------------------------------------- Homeopathic remedies corresponding to a disease in a vaccine:
Based on symptom presentation.
I.e. Cicuta for ailments from tetanus vaccine,
Stramonium for ailments from chickenpox vaccine,
Baptesia for ailments from the typhoid vaccine,
Gelsemium for ailments from the Flu vaccine, etc.
------------------------------------------
Remedies for incompletely expressed disease states such as Zinc, Stramonium, or Helleborus, etc for exanthamatic (eruptive) diseases where the the eruptions have been suppressed to the nervous system resulting in brain inflammation
--------------------------------- Use of combination remedies: either a combination of nosodes or multiple vaccine nosodes:
either in conjunction with constitutional remedies, detoxification remedies, disease specific remedies, herbal tinctures, or alone, to cover all bases, as this reflects the imprint of multiple vaccines at a time in the current vaccine schedule.
For example, one combination remedy I use has a base of Thuja mother tincture, with all of the main nosodes ( as above) remedies plus Vaccine nosodes of which ever vaccines the child has had.
This may be the desired avenue if the resultant symptom picture s because of 9 vaccines given at once.
------------------------------------------- Drainage remedies: used in combination or singly, usually low potency or in herbal form, to strengthen or tone particular organs systems;
liver, kidney, nervous system, digestive system etc. thus helping the body to process out the vaccines through normal excretory routes
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
The treatment of autistic children and even adults has matured through 300 cases over the last three years and is called CEASE Therapy,
which stands for Complete Elimination of Autistic Spectrum Expression.
Step by step all causative factors (vaccines, regular medication, environmental toxic exposures, effects of illness, etc.) are detoxified with the homeopathically prepared,
that is diluted and potentized substances that caused the autism.
Currently we use the 30C, 200C, 1M and 10M potencies to clear out the energetic field of the patient from the imprint of toxic substances or diseases.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I would use the Dtpa vacine homeopathy in C30, then increase to C200, 1M then 10M.
I think I sent you the email about when, how many times, dosage etc. It's in the book.
They do that to ALL vaccines, either as a vaccine substitute (which I have little faith), ... or to clean the damage of vaccinations (which I think, may be helpful).
All these products are very inexpensive here in Europe.
If you tell exactly your symptoms, you can try to match them with the list above of symptoms (vaccine damage) and I can test you (with your saliva).
At least, to find out the potency... Just send me an email or PM. And you can buy these homeopathics there in the US, in a REAL homeopathic maker (no radionics).
Posted by dan67 (Member # 20344) on :
I have a question, why do Lyme people get these reactions so much? SO MANY of the adult public get these vaccines with no problems.
Another question: Isn't the damage being caused because our bodies are making antibodies and those antibodies are attacking our nerves, thinking there are viruses in the nerves? Maybe there really ARE viruses in the nerves?
How would homeopathic Dtap help this problem? The antibodies in the body are already being made. Seems like it can't be undone?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Take a look at page 226 on, about vaccine damage, specifically pertussis or dtpa.
Lots of neuro symptoms, encephalopathy, etc...
If you can't click on the book, google google books, The Vaccine Guide, author Randall Neustaedter.
Posted by dan67 (Member # 20344) on :
But could the damage be caused by antibodies attacking the human tissues? Seems the only plausible mechanism of action.
Google says I can't view that book for some reason, what's your summary of what it says?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
I only know that we all have immune dysfunctions, that is WHY we fall ill with
-lyme, -or candida, -or cancer -or multiple allergies.
These 4 chronic diseases are due to blatant immune dysfunction. --------------------
I GUESS vaccine reactions has to do with:
1. toxins (from vaccines, read ingredients and you may guess). Lyme/ candida / allergic people / cancer patients are toxic from start.
Infections dump endotoxins, mycotoxins, etc, then the immune cells leave debris too when they die.
Add more toxins from vaccines (formaldehyde, aluminium, mercury, etc), our already toxic cells and organs can't work well to process the newly injected vaccine toxins.
Our cells weren't working well from start (fatigue is present to most lyme sufferers).
2. foreign DNA (monkeys, fetuses, chicken, cow, even yeast, whatever...). All vaccines come with foreign DNA.
If we EAT monkeys, cows, human fetuses (!?), chicken, yeast, our digestive system will not directly INJECT foreign proteins / DNA in our blood.
We just get small DIGESTED aminoacids and some DIGESTED molecules through the gut walls, our FLORA helps with digestion, and if our gut works well, these substances and molecules are BENEFICIAL to us.
We evolved eating animal protein, yeasts...
If we INJECT monkey DNA, chicken DNA, other human DNA, yeast DNA, some cell debris from them...
... directly into our blood through the veins, well, we may get some reaction (allergy, immune dysfunction, neuro problems (?)...).
Our bodies haven't evolved with INJECTED foreign DNAs. What it does, or not, we don't know, long term. We are the lab rats.
The same way leaky gut causes allergies because undigested molecules pass the gut walls, well, directly injected undigested molecules may cause reaction (that is how I see it).
Besides, don't forget these animal or fetuses cells come from cultures that are DECADES old, , meaning, that they are very much like cancer cells.
Same cells reproduced on and on in the lab, continuously, for years, decades, then they inject those DNA in the population... (?)
For certain, our bodies do not enjoy the cocktail (even if you are healthy)...
I'm sure there will be studies linking cancer and vaccines (if there aren't already).
3. the dead viruses come in the vaccines to provoke an immune reaction, in the form of slight inflammation.
Inflammation is the scare word for lyme patients or chronic infection patients.
Do we need more inflammation? No, that would be the last thing we need.
Do we need nerve inflammation? Brain inflammation? Spinal chord inflammation? Nope.
Maybe healthy people with LOW inflammation wouldn't react as we do.
The allergies lyme patients suffer from are sometimes handicapping. Food allergies, cosmetics allergies, mold, etc. All cause inflammation somewhere.
Add a very caustic inflammation trigger like the so called 'dead viruses' (as if you could KILL a virus....), and you will get more inflammation (healthy or not).
That is the purpose of vaccines: to provoke slight infection / inflammation.
If our immune and detox systems were healthy, we could probably get rid great part of vaccine toxins, and not react with too much inflammation (only little).
The odds though are not on our side...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
The homeopathic dtpa remedy is just water with sugar or alcohol and some imprint from dtpa vaccine.
It just provides your body with the 'message':
Please deal with the Dtpa vaccine. Only that.
I think it will just try to get your body to process the toxins better (like how to throw out those damaging toxins from the vaccine), stuff like that.
or how to help your body deal with the inflammation caused by the dtpa vaccine.
Whatever an homeopathic remedy does, in fact, it is your body that is deciding, not the remedy.
Homeopathy is just information medicine.
I think I would take the thuya remedy and the dtpa remedy for sure. Then watch my symptoms.
if I still have symptoms, I would then add the CONSTITUTIONAL remedy plus the symptom relief remedies (depending on your remedy)
Constitutional remedy: you got to consult a CLASSIC homeopath. In the past, when people were healthier and less toxic, that remedy alone could deal with 60%, even 70% of a person's health problem.
Today, it can only support healing, in my opinion, but it is still important. You need other modalities together, other symptom relief substances...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
VACCINE GUIDE Book: Neustaedter
-------------- Rubbella vaccine:
- 10-40 % of women develop arthritis symptoms after Rubbella vaccine. It can persist for years. Some develop rheumatoid arthritis for life.
Acute arthris in both children and adults (1960s studies).
50% of women aged 25-33 will have arthritis symptoms. (page 218)
- page 220 Rubella vacine may cause weakness or paralysis of extremities, loss of senstaion, difficulty walking in children
MMR + Dtpa: guillain barre syndrome. Symptoms start tingling in the feet, muscular weakness, problems to climb steps. Some people heal after a month or so.
If a nursing mother gets a vaccine of MMR or rubella (just after giving birth), her baby has a 80 % chance to develop autism (page 220)!!
---------------------- Pertussis vaccine:
- deaths, nervous system damage to younger children (less than 2 years old).
- some children get permanent damage. Ex: fever, crying, encephalitis, epilepsy, retardation, death, neurologic diseases.
encephalopathy: - 15 cases in 1948 in Boston. Children suffered permanent cerebral palsy, some had seizures and mental retardation, 2 died of pneumonia.
- 59 encephalopathy in Germany (1974)
- 36 cases in London (in one year), 59 with seizures.
- 107 cases of neuro illness (1958)
-------------------------------------- Comprehensive studies from 78-79, UCLA study:
DTP vaccine reaction
- 50% develop fever 34% irritability 35% crying 40% localized inflammation 3% inconsolable crying and screaming 31% excessive sleepiness. Very few developed seizures 48hours after vaccine.
DTP vaccine linked to death period 1 week after vaccine. Walker study (1980s). Statistically significant. ----------------
Polio vaccine statistics have been changed (not to scare people).
A rather common effect is called Vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP). Guillain Barre, meningitis, acute flaccid paralysis (4-40 days after vaccine).
there is also the virus present in some vaccines (SV40 virus) associated with brain tumors.
Brain tumors got the SAME strain of SV40 found in monkeys. 40 years of injected SV40 virus in humans through the polio vaccine!!
----------------------------- In summary, I think the Pertussis vaccine is the most damaging for the nervous system (statistically).
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :